A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving

Hello and welcome to the 26th episode of Tooncast

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I'm your host DFG1Mike and I'm joined once again

by Kevin, Professor Boss K -Dog Thompson. Hello.

This is your third episode back. Yes, we're going

to be talking about the Thanksgiving classic,

a Charlie Brown Thanksgiving today. This episode

will actually air Thanksgiving Day, hopefully,

if Steve can upload it by then, but my goal is

to have it actually air on Thanksgiving. Yeah,

so what's been going on with you? Um, not a lot.

I pretty much had a pretty quiet week. Didn't

do anything really. Too excited. Yes, I can't

remember now. Oh, yeah, I've actually started

a initiative to hopefully I mean I know it's

gonna come out eventually but I want to get I

would like to see transformers animated season

3 on DVD before You know Like before two or three

years from now So I wrote up a blog post just

a little thing and I said, you know If anyone

wants to join or you know add their name to the

list send me an email and I'll edit the blog

post and if we get enough names on the list I'm

gonna end up emailing it to somebody hell I don't

know and see if we can get it on DVD sooner rather

than later I also uh remember in the uh in last

episode I said I would not even spend a dollar

to see G .I. Joe well I got a free night rental

code from red box and I did go and see it and

Yeah, I would give that film like a 2 out of

10 Yes for the story I would give it a 2 out

of 10 for the special effects I would give it

a 9 but for the story the story sucked But you

know at least I At least I still kept true to

my word that I was not going to pay to see it.

It was all right. I don't know. It's just not

really G -I -J -O. First of all, I actually wrote

up a blog post about it too. It's online, tfgunpodcast

.wordpress .com. And I'm basically sitting there.

First of all, from what I know, just from watching

the Sunbow series, is that You know, the Baroness

was always evil. It wasn't this whole crap where,

oh, she was good, then she went evil, then she's

supposedly good again. That's just bullshit.

Yeah, that was the only part that bugged me about

the movie, actually. Yeah, that was just bullshit.

But, I mean, other than that, the special effects

are really good. Yeah. And you gotta admit that

the stuff didn't bug you as much as you thought

it was going to. Actually... The suits or whatever?

Well, alright, well, the suits weren't... They

weren't as bad as I thought they were gonna be.

Yeah, I thought they were gonna be terrible but

then when I watched them move in my god They

didn't bug me as much as I was expecting. Yeah,

the suits weren't as bad as I thought they were

gonna be But still, you know, we're we're used

to seeing it really honestly unless you're a

GI Joe fan It's just another military action

film. It's really all it is so Alright, we're

gonna take a break and we will be back with Charlie

Brown Thanksgiving Come on, Charlie Brown. I'll

hold the ball and you kick it. Hold it? Ha! You'll

pull it away and I'll land flat on my back and

kill myself. But Charlie Brown, it's Thanksgiving!

What's that got to do with anything? Well, one

of the greatest traditions we have is the Thanksgiving

Day football game. And the biggest, most important

tradition of all is the kicking off of the football.

Is that right? Absolutely. Come on, Charlie Brown.

It's a big honor for you. Well, if it's that

important, a person should never turn down a

big honor. Maybe I should do it. Besides, she

wouldn't try to trick me on a traditional holiday.

It's time I'm gonna kick that football clear

to the moon! Isn't it peculiar, Charlie Brown,

how some traditions just slowly fade away? It

is now time for the history lesson and for that

we go to the professor. Alrighty, a Charlie Brown

Thanksgiving is of course one of many Primetime

animated TV specials based upon the popular comic

strip Peanuts by Charles M. Schultz. It originally

aired in 1973 on the CBS network and actually

won an Emmy Award. As of 2007, like most people

know, the special is aired every November in

Primetime on ABC. The special was originally

scheduled for a limited theatrical release by

Kid Toon Films on November 1st, 2008, about a

year ago, but was cancelled after it was replaced

by Barbie and Christmas Carol. This special has

previously been released on DVD by Paramount.

It was released on DVD by Warner Home Video in

remastered form on October 7th, 2008. Charlie

Brown, thank you. Charlie Brown Thanksgiving

was actually sponsored by the fast food restaurant,

McDonald's. Alrighty. Yes, and just going into

the general memories, just a little info. I mean,

we'll get to the DVD release later, but it is

on DVD and you can get it on DVD. At first it

was on the Holiday Collection and now it's in

the Holiday Remastered Collection. Which is it's

a great pumpkin Thanksgiving and Charlie Brown

Christmas all three of those Which is just a

great great set to have This just like in the

Halloween episode And I know you've been offline

for a little while So you're gonna have a lot

of listening to catch up on once you get your

computer access back But in the Halloween episode

pecan court Michael and I these specials were

with the exception of maybe the the Christmas

one because there's so many other Christmas specials

like Rudolph and frosty and the Grinch and all

that stuff these two specials the Halloween special

and the Thanksgiving special were the antithesis

of my watching Halloween and Thanksgiving specials

they just were you know this one Was you know

even though it even though ABC shows that I think

the Tuesday Either a week before they either

show it a Tuesday or Wednesday of the week before

Thanksgiving Or they show it that week either

the Monday Tuesday or Wednesday before But this

was tradition for me when I was a kid watching

this thing every single year You know before

Thanksgiving Just was. And now that I have it

on DVD, I can actually watch it on Thanksgiving.

So instead of having to, you know, wait for the

TV special to come on a week or so before, I

can actually watch it on the day. You know, but

that's just me. Incidentally, this one is the...

This one was the third one made out of the three...

Out of the top three ones, like Christmas, Halloween,

and Thanksgiving, that's the order that they

go in. Christmas was first, Halloween was second,

and Thanksgiving was third. Which is kind of

weird, because we're reviewing them, obviously,

since October just passed, now we're in November,

we're reviewing them backwards. Well, we're actually

reviewing them out of order, two, three, one,

instead of one, two, three. And then, I don't

know. As I said, it's just basic good Thanksgiving

fun Is is pretty much what it isn't and now we

should bring up the reason why Kevin isn't talking

so much is because Ladies and gentlemen, he has

never seen it. What the hell is wrong with you?

What kind of a sheltered life did you live? Oh

my god, how can you not see this? I think with

my birthday being around Thanksgiving and like

I don't know, I just must have always been doing

other stuff. I remember the Christmas one, and

I very, very vaguely remember the Halloween one.

I probably saw it. It just didn't stick with

me. It was just another Charlie Brown thing,

I guess, for me. I know that's wrong. Yes, it's

right and wrong of you. You should be ashamed

of your cartoon -watching heritage, damn it.

And I was looking for it this week to see if

it was going to be aired on TV, and I couldn't

find it anywhere. You can always go out and get

the Deluxe Holiday Collection, which I'll be

talking about a little bit later. So I guess

we're going to move into the characters and voice

actors. Because Tooncast is... No, hold on, I've

got to interrupt you for a second. I was scrolling

through my TV and I just found it. It's on 7

o 'clock on Thursday. It's actually on Thanksgiving

this next week. So it's on at 7 o 'clock on Thanksgiving,

which is the day that this will come out. Cool.

Good deal. Well, maybe I'll watch it. You better.

Because Tooncast is actually in a process of

involvement, we have, because we are running

out of shows, where a lot of the - we're not

really running out of shows obviously we're gonna

have a hundred episodes for this podcast but

because a lot of the wiki information combines

the voice actor and the character that they played

I've kinda changed around not with this episode

but coming up over the next few months I've kinda

just combined characters and cast because all

the information I've gotten for the next couple

of episodes wiki has combined that there isn't

really a separate list, and it actually cuts

down on how many pages of document that I actually

have to look through. So, yeah, that's going

to be, I mean, it's still going to be the same

discussion. It's just our format's going to change

just a little bit. The characters for this Obviously

you got Charlie Brown Snoopy lioness Lucy Schroder.

I don't know Schroder was in this one. I don't

know I believe This was the And you got Woodstock

Sally Peppermint Patty who was actually played

by a boy Marcy Franklin Pigpen was not in the

Thanksgiving one A rerun was not in the Thanksgiving

one, I don't think. I don't know, I'd have to

go back and watch. I mean, I did just watch it

the other night, and of course, as we said by

the time this airs, it would have been two or

three days since we recorded this. You know,

the characters in this, this was the one that

Snoopy is most animated as far as his actions.

Because this is the one where he and Woodstock

have all these adventures together with preparing

for the meal basically You know it's the one

that where they get majority of the characterization

And as we said before all of the the voice actors

actually Between this and the Halloween special

there was a new Pretty much new voices for all

of the characters. I don't recognize most of

these voice actors. Well, all right. I guess

as they progressed, the point that Bill Melendez

and Charles Schultz, and let's see, Lee Melendez.

Yeah, Lee Melendez. Bill Melendez wanted all

child actors not adults that could play a child

voice so as the years went on obviously Christmas

special was 1965 Halloween was I think 66 or

67 I forget might have been 69 I don't remember

go back listen to tune cast 22 and you'll find

out And then, of course, this was done in 73,

so obviously the child actors that played the

voices in the two previous specials would not

be coming back for this. You got Todd Barbie,

Robin Cohn, Stephen Shea, Hilary Bomberger, Christopher

DeFaria played the voice of Peppermint Patty.

Nice. Actually, the next one's also a guy playing

a girl. Jimmy Aaron's played Marcy, which actually

Marcy sounded more of a girl than Peppermint

Patty did. And then you have Robin Reed as Franklin,

and then two uncredited voices obviously. Bill

Melendez was Snoopy and Woodstock, and Vince

Garaldi who did the music was the little birdie

singer. They're pretty much the same characters,

and they actually tried to find children that

could emulate the previous Sessions of the other

children, so it wasn't oh wait. That's not you

know how it's like Perfect example is that new

that new feature length thing that premiered

on CW yesterday Turtles forever They don't actually

use, in the 1987 turtles that they have on there,

they don't actually use, I think, the majority

of the original voice actors. I don't think Rob

Paul... They use some of them. They use some

of them, but not all of them. I know for a fact

that Leonardo is not Cam Clark. No, no. The 1987

Leonardo. I know that's not Cam Clark. Go ahead.

Just as a side note, if you didn't see that and

you want to, you have no idea what we're talking

about. It's going to air. I believe it airs the

next two Saturdays, too. It's called Turtles

Forever and it's a pretty good show. Yeah, you

can also go onto YouTube and search for the channel

Turtles Forever Movie. I found it on there, which

is pretty much TV quality. And I guess it's the

official thing of that. And I guess YouTube allowed

them to put it up. It's in nine parts currently.

They only have parts one through six up on YouTube.

But anyway, you know, I mean so with this they

They wanted to get children that could sound

like the previous ones So, I mean overall it

was a fairly good job for a lot of them Yeah,

I don't really have any complaints about the

voice acting at all Trying to think here Who

is your favorite character? I mean, just in general

of the Charlie Brown specials. My favorite was

always Snoopy. If you could pick a character

like that. If I had to pick one of the actual

more speaking parts, I would probably say that

I usually like Linus. I don't know. I never liked

him. I hated... It's funny you mentioned Lucy

That was actually from the Halloween special

but yeah, it kind of transcends So I guess we

can Go into the behind -the -scenes segment here.

It was written and created by Charles M. Schultz.

It was directed by Bill Melendez and Phil Roman.

It was produced by Lee Mendelson and Bill Melendez.

The original score was performed by Vince Guaraldi,

who eventually became the Vince Guaraldi Trio

and the Vince Guaraldi Sextet and all this other

crazy stuff. Mean you know just great work, and

you know as I said in the Halloween special in

those notes that You know they didn't have to

worry about a studio at all When they wanted

to do one Bill Melendez and Lee Mendelson would

just go to Charles Schultz's house and say hey

You know let's let's do this, and they would

just sell it to the networks You know whatever

network wanted to wanted it you know that that's

who they would sell it to I really don't have

any other behind -the -scenes information other

than that so I guess we can go into the actual

show here the special opens with Lucy enticing

Charlie Brown to kick the football she is holding

Charlie Brown at first refuses correcting correctly

suspecting that Lucy will pull it away as always

But Lucy convinces him that kicking the football

is a Thanksgiving tradition that being asked

to do so is an honor. Charlie Brown decides that

Lucy would never pull her trick on a national

holiday and ends up getting deceived and landing

flat on his back once again. And this, it actually

started in the Halloween special, I believe.

It is where it became a landmark of... of the

peanut special of her always, you know, pulling

it, you know, him trying to kick it and her trying

to pull it away. It's funny, I was watching this

special feature that's on the DVD. What's it

called here? Another story featuring the gang.

No, that's the special only feature at popcorn

and jelly beans. Making a thanksgiving classic

on that. Todd, what's his name? Charlie Brown

and Sally are probably Charlie Brown and Sally

are preparing to go to their grandmother's place

for Thanksgiving dinner when Charlie Brown gets

a phone call from Peppermint Patty, who invites

herself over to Charlie Brown's house for the

holiday dinner. Two quick subsequent phone calls

add Marcy and Franklin to the guest list. And

since Charlie Brown can't get a word in edgewise

with Patty, he quickly finds himself in a quandary

with no easy solution. At least not until Lioness

shows up. Lioness suggests to Charlie Brown that

he could have two dinners. The first one for

Patty and her friends and the second one in his

grandmother's home. Forcing Charlie Brown to

admit that all he knows how to make is cold cereal

and maybe toast. Regardless, Lioness recruits

Snoopy and Woodstock to set up a ping pong table

and chairs in the backyard. Setting the table

has its own problems as Snoopy goes toe -to -toe

with an uncooperative folding deck chair. Now

everybody knows what this chair, I mean, everybody

knows what those folding deck chairs are. You

know, those trifold chairs and they're wooden

and they have cloth in the middle. Yeah, that

is, and that's why I said earlier, this is probably

the special that has Snoopy doing the most. You

know being animated the most I mean cuz he he

is having a full -on fight with this chair. It's

just hilarious Snoopy and Woodstock set the table

and then helped Charlie Brown and Linus with

food when the food is readied Snoopy and a reluctant

Woodstock go to Snoopy's doghouse and dress in

Pilgrim clothing They returned to the house with

Snoopy hooking a holding a musket which fires

unexpectedly and causes Charlie Brown to lose

his patience The guests arrive and they all make

their way to the backyard for the quote -unquote

feast. Linus leads the group in prayer and Snoopy

serves up the food, throwing plates to each guest,

frisbee style. Each person gets two slices of

buttered toast, some pretzel sticks, a handful

of popcorn, and a few jelly beans. At first Patty

is shocked, but her shock quickly turns to outrage

and she angrily berates Charlie Brown for the

meal. quote -unquote meal, embarrassed and rejected,

Charlie Brown timidly leaves the table and goes

back into the house. Patty's tired continues

until Marcy gently reminds her that Charlie Brown

didn't invite her to dinner. She invited herself

along with Marcy and Franklin. Realizing Marcy

is right, Patty comes to her senses and begs

Marcy to go and apologize to Charlie Brown on

her behalf. Another thing that's become a staple

of these specialists is the fact that Marcy always

calls her yes, sir. Marcy reluctantly does so

but Patty soon follows her and apologizes to

Charlie Brown herself. In the midst of the quasi

-feast Charlie Brown loses track of time and

he and Sally are supposed to be at their grandmother's

home for dinner in a half hour so he calls his

grandmother to tell her that they are going to

be a little late and to explain the situation

that he has friends over and None of them have

eaten yet, but his grandmother, voiced only by

tromboning, the special's trademark muted trombone,

suggests that he bring all his friends with him

for Thanksgiving dinner. The idea is welcomed

with cheers from everyone. After Charlie Brown

and the gang leave, Snoopy and Woodstock go to

the doghouse and cook up their own traditional

Thanksgiving meal, complete with all the trimmings

they pull apart. the wishbone with Woodstock

getting the bigger piece over the end credits

the two friends each devour dessert a large piece

of pumpkin pie and then sit back with contented

smiles as Woodstock pats his full stomach. Alright

now in that special on the DVD Lee Mendelson

says he has always had or one of them says I

think it was Lee Mendelson I don't know I'd have

to go back and watch it but There was one problem

he always had and always get offended by with

that in scene you have a bird eating a bird because

Woodstock is a bird and he's gonna eat a turkey

and He just can't do that. He just can't do that.

He said on the DVD so actually as a as a To make

it up for that Schultz had In future comic strips,

each year in the Thanksgiving strip, he would

always find a way to protect Woodstock from being

hunted. Do you want to go through some of the

goofs here? Yeah, sure. As far as mistakes or

stuff you can look for in animation, it's basically

a case of the disappearing act, I guess is what

you'd call it, because there's lots of stuff

you can find disappearing and reappearing. In

themes of the table set up with the chairs around

it before the guests arrive, the white and pink

striped lawn chair, the same one that we were

talking about with Snoopy was hustling with earlier,

disappears and reappears between shots. Likewise,

the sundaes on the table during dinner appear

and disappear between scenes. Going on, you have

during the dinner scene, Peppermint's Patty's

plate of food disappears and reappears after

she has been served by Snoopy. As Franklin sits

alone on the opposite side of the table from

which Snoopy serves dinner, empty chairs adjacent

to him disappear and reappear. So you have lots

of different things, either being there or not

being there in between shots and scenes. The

last group is a little bit different, but near

the end the grandfather clock is shown by the

front door and its pendulum appears stuck to

the right in one scene, but in the very next

scene it's over to the left. Isn't that bad or

not? There's a lot of times in animation that

we have things work well from side to side for

the most part. Right. Going into the music segment,

Vince Garaldi did all the music for the Peanut

Specials and just an excellent, excellent composer.

Each of the three DVDs that you get in the Holiday

Deluxe Edition collection, There is a insert

how to get your digital music download From a

Charlie Brown Thanksgiving soundtrack to classic

songs available So they actually give you a free

download for camp town races in the Thanksgiving

theme And in the Christmas one they give you

two for that the Christmas one is actually a

the the Christmas DVD is actually a two disc

set the DVD plus a six song cd sampler uh...

that you can put in your computer and and download

the music from there uh... but just i mean you

know with the with the halloween theme and the

uh... with the halloween special christmas special

and thanksgiving special they all have uh...

music that everyone remembers Well, for those

of us who've actually watched some of the specials.

Well, I do remember the music for all of Peanut's

stuff, whether it's the actual shows, specials,

everything. It's just classic and everybody knows

the theme song. The music is awesome. I brought

this up in episode 22 of when Michael and I did

the Halloween special. Do you know what the...

The main Peanuts theme is called? I used to because

we used to play it in band in high school. Oh

boy. It's escaping me at the moment. Lioness

and Lucy. Okay. Yeah, we played that song all

the time in high school. Going into the legacy

segment here. As far as the broadcast history,

the show aired... on CBS before moving along

with the rest of the peanut specials to ABC in

2000. Traditionally, ABC aired the special on

Thanksgiving night until 2005. In 2006, ABC decided

to move the special to the Monday before Thanksgiving.

This was in response to the success of regular

Thursday programs, Ugly Betty and Grey's Anatomy.

Boo! coupled with CBS's decision to air regular

programming on Thanksgiving night with Survivor

and CSI. Survivor, fuck Survivor, CSI is cool,

but yeah, Survivor sucks. ABC decided to directly

engage in ratings while with CBS, Thanksgiving

lies in the middle of sweeps, displacing the

Charlie Brown special to Monday and airing regular

programming on Thanksgiving night instead. ABC

repeated this in 2007 on Tuesday before Thanksgiving,

but as of 2008, the ratings for Ugly Betty have

faded somewhat dramatically, and ABC has decided

to air this specially extended form to move the

special back to Thanksgiving night, and also

on Tuesday immediately before the Dancing with

the Stars finale, filling the void created by

the cancellation of Opportunity Knocks. In 2006

and 2007, ABC paired the special with He's a

Bully, Charlie Brown, the last original peanut

special to date. In 2008, it was paired with

The Mayflower Voyagers, which is an episode from

This is America, Charlie Brown. That is actually

the one that is on the DVD here. The Mayflower

Voyagers is the second special that's on the

Charlie Brown DVD. To make room for their long

commercial breaks during modern airings, ABC

made cuts to two scenes. In 2005, it was extended

for the network television premiere of Finding

Nemo, but now it was edited again in order to

make room for He's a Bully, Charlie Brown, and

Dancing with the Stars results show. Snoopy and

Woodstock go into Snoopy's doghouse to dress

up as pilgrims. Oh Okay, those are the scenes

that were yeah the Snoopy and Woodstock scene

and the scene where Marcia apologizes to Shaw

Brown were the scenes that were cut The scene

of the end credits where Snoopy and Woodstock

are eating turkey is cut in later airings Going

straight to them eating pumpkin pie during the

end credits on Thanksgiving Day November 27th

2008 the turkey eating portion was shown in its

entirety In 2008, when this was re -extended,

the credits are slightly sped up in order to

make room for the Mayflower Voyagers. As far

as... Huh? What? Yeah, they've... Yeah. Again,

I'm glad that the peanut specials are still shown

on TV. However, if you want the full experience

of them, I would suggest that you get the...

DVD collections. There are several collections.

There's this holiday three -pack, deluxe holiday

three -pack. There is individual releases for

Be My Valentine deluxe edition and the Easter

Beagle deluxe edition. There's also Peanuts,

the 1960s collection which actually encompasses

majority of the single disc specials. and then

the nineteen seventies collection volume one

uh... it was actually nominated for a any award

outstanding individual achievement in children's

programming uh... excuse me uh... well it was

nominated and it won both uh... it won uh...

for that same thing for actually charles schultz

won it and the nomination was for lee mendelson

and bill melendez Yeah, and just as a quick note,

the one that's going to air this year is an hour

long and it is Thanksgiving pile of feather.

The Mayflower Voyager is right after. Overall,

if you're a fan of the Charlie Brown specials

but you just want the three, I guess you could

say big three, I would suggest people go out

and find the Deluxe. Let me look at the package.

It's the Deluxe Holiday Collection 3 Remastered

Classics. It comes in a red box doesn't it? Huh?

Does that come in a red box? Yes. It comes in

a red box. It's got a ribbon with a bow on the

front. It's got Lucy in the bottom right -hand

corner, Charlie Brown at the top right -hand

corner, and Linus. at the top left and Snoopy

and Woodstock at the bottom left. So, yeah, I

guess we're just going to go into the closing.

I mean, final thoughts, there really isn't that

much to say about it. I mean, it is what it is.

It's a, you know, as I said in the general memories,

it is a Thanksgiving tradition for me, you know.

And I will watch it for the first time this Thanksgiving.

You better, damn it. I want a DVR. Yes, yes.

You know, it's just something that, you know,

it's always been a Thanksgiving tradition. At

least for me. So yes. So I think we're done with

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