Batman: Mask of the Phantasm 30th Anniversary

ladies and gentlemen this is not your normal

intro for studio 2009 this is episode 64 we are

celebrating the 30th anniversary of batman mask

of the phantasm and it is dedicated to the memory

of kevin conroy because we are releasing this

on november 30th 2023 which is one year and 20

days since he passed away he died november 10th

2022 and Thank you, Kevin, for everything. Yep.

Hi, this is Kevin Conroy, and you're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. goddamn batman

there is nothing wrong with your podcast player

do not attempt to adjust the volume hello and

welcome back into our studio you are now inside

studio 2009 i'm of course tf2 and mike joining

me is steve megatron hello sir hello yes and

once again two weeks in a row not necessarily

two weeks in a row but two episodes in a row

we are going back 30 years ago to 1993 and some

people would be like tf2 and mike why are you

releasing this on the anniversary of kevin conroy's

birthday instead of the anniversary of when the

movie actually premiered in theaters and like

because it's more more emotional doing it this

way because batman mask the phantasm released

christmas day 1993 in theaters ouch in this movie

man the besides it being the 30th anniversary

I've had this on Vudu for the longest time, but

on September 12th of this year, they released

a 4K Ultra HD with digital code version. So the

original standard version I've had on Vudu for

years, that got upgraded to 4K automatically

with the digital code. That's awesome. But yeah,

I had to buy this because I have a 4K TV, I have

a 4K Blu -ray player. I needed to see that, and

I have pictures, and I'm sure I'll link to my

Facebook photo album, or I might even embed the

pictures in the post on geekcastradio .com. I

took pictures of this as I'm watching it on my

large -ass TV that I have, and man, this film

has never looked so good. You have got to invest,

dude. When you can, I know it's hard, but when

you can, you have to invest in 4K. I don't know

if my TV even supports 4K. That's what I'm saying.

You have to invest. I don't buy a TV. I buy a

TV once every 7 to 10 years. Well, it's been

7 or 10 years, right? No, I bought one a year

or two ago. Well... It may be 4K. I'm not exactly

sure. I'd have to look up the specs. It's a Sony,

so I'm assuming it would. I'd have to look it

up and see what model it is. But I do not have

a 4K player. Unless I was to get a digital file

and plug it into the TV. I saw this film the

week it came out. Like I legitimately remember

going with my dad to see this in theater. That's

awesome. And it was spectacular. I, I remember

watching it and I, I mean, yeah, I was aware

of some of the murderous antics of everything,

but you know, the Joker and whatnot, but I, enjoyed

seeing batman on the big screen and honestly

this was probably the best origin and delving

into bruce wayne that we've ever gotten 100 and

it was something that this this crew just got

they just understood it yep we didn't have to

deal with any of the oddities of just whatever.

They simply understood the assignment. Yep. 100%.

And this movie predates Superman the Animated

Series, which happened in 1996, which means Batman

had Lois first. Her character is not Lois in

this. Yeah. Bruce Timm, Eric Radomski, Martin

Pascoe, Paul Dini, Alan Burnett, Michael Reeves,

all the people that worked on this. Batman by

Bob Kane and Bill Finger, obviously. Shirley

Walker did the music back then. Absolutely loved

it. It eventually made money, but initially didn't.

It had a budget of $6 million, and the theatrical

run only got it $5 .6 million. So technically,

it didn't succeed at first, but it has succeeded

over the last 30 years because there have been

so many different versions of it that have been

released. And now we finally have this 4K disc

version of it. And everyone knows the... plot

of this movie. Like you said, it's basically

Bruce Wayne's origins. You know, we see Bruce

and, and Andrea. Oh, Andrea. Oh, I love when

Kevin used to do that. And half the time when

he used to do that, he was sitting right next

to voice director, Andrea Romano. So that was

always so funny to me. I did find out I do have,

I do have a 4k TV. Good. Yeah. It's led 4k ultra

HD. So awesome. Yeah. I can watch it. Good. I

just have to get it. Now all you need to do is

invest in the disc and invest in a player if

you don't have a player. Because two years ago,

right after Karen passed, I went to, of all places,

Walmart, and I got a Sony 4K Blu -ray player

for like $150 at the time. It was holiday time,

so it was on sale. But yeah, I've had that thing

for two years now. I'm never getting rid of that.

Yeah, the 4K Blu -ray players are not super expensive

anymore, so that's good. But yeah, I mean, you

got Kevin Conroy, Mark Hamill, Dana Delaney,

Hart Bochner, Stacy Keach as well. Oh, that's

right. Stacy, what? Okay. So Stacey Keech, for

those that may not know, he's the guy that did

the narration on the CNBC American Green True

Crime series. He was also the voice of Robert

Vance Sr. in Batman Beyond. He was the, in that

episode, Lost Soul. He was the guy that put his

consciousness into the Batman Beyond suit. So

that was him, but he's the voice of phantasm

in this. And I was like, I always wondered who

did that. Abe Vigoda as Salvatore Valestra, Dick

Miller as Chucky Saul, Ephraim Zimbliss Jr. as

Alfred, obviously Bob Hastings as Commissioner

James Gordon, Robert Costanzo as Detective Harvey

Bullock, Arlene Sorkin as Mrs. Bambi. Oh, she

was uncredited in this. That's right. Interesting.

But yeah, this movie is so fun. It's so good.

From the themes of it to the music to the origin

to everything with this one. I just absolutely

love it all. What's one of your favorite characters?

In this? It has to be the Phantasm. I love the

appearance of the phantasm, and then the fact

that it's Andrea underneath the costume the entire

time. Andrea. I just said the director's name

at the end of that like it was, you know, post

-coital bliss. And the place, there was this

hesitation by all these actors. And then everyone

just... wrapped up. Everyone just roared. They

couldn't believe what I had done. And then we

look in the booth and, like, Andrea is just on

like this. And then she said, that's going on

my holiday reel, Kevin. And I love the ambience

and the fact that this one makes Batman look

like, eh, he's no big deal. Because it truly

puts fear. They're like, you're no bat. And then

they realize that this thing is a lot freakier

than Batman. Yep. Even though Batman's more agile.

Yeah. Oh, well, the scene where he goes after

the guys on the motorcycle in the beginning when

the motorcycle gang kind of just like. bumps

into them when they're on the street and she's

like bruce let it go he's like no they have to

like he's running after this motorcycle jumps

lands on the like the front wheel of the thing

and kicks the guy i'm like wow okay bruce wayne

you go boy like you know and that was before

he became batman my favorite moment outside of

the moments with the phantasm has got to be the

origin of the cave and how they found the cave

that is never to that point. I don't think anyone

other than 66, which it's just under their house.

Fine. But like there was never a true origin

of how Bruce Wayne found the bat cave. To my

knowledge, comic book fans come at me. I'm sorry

if it was done in the comics, but in. animation

to that point because batman anime series is

brand new yeah we knew he had the bat cave but

we never saw until now how he found it and i

just that is such a nice nod to to do that to

give more origin to it yeah my my favorite character

in this is still batman i i it gave me an appreciation

for the the phantasm but it also The Joker. But

it was also the first time I heard the Joker.

Yes, he was creepy. Like, I get it. But he wasn't

as creepy as the Jack Nicholson. No. Like, the

live -action Batman films, like, I love Keaton

as the live -action Batman. I think that they

did him wrong in The Flash, but, you know, whatever.

They also did some things right with him. But...

I don't like any of the villains in any of the

live action Batman movies like they're they're

like and I get it. They're supposed to look realistic.

So they do. And they're super creepy about it.

But I like how Hamill plays this character. Yeah,

he's not. I don't know. It's just it's the voice.

It's the the way that he carries himself when

he plays the role. Just a lot of things in general.

It just it plays out well. But I love the fact

that you have this. Basically, like Trinity of

battle going on between, you know, Batman hunting

the Joker and thinking the Joker's behind all

this and the Batman hunting, you know, the phantasm,

the phantasm hunting the Joker. And so you've

got this weird like battle royale of these three.

Yeah. that are collectively taking out everybody.

Yeah, pretty much in their path. Yep. And then

it leaves off the end of the film, not seeing

a body for any of them. Nope. So it's alluded

to that they all survived. And then of course,

you know, you get the animated series, but yeah.

Uh, which I think came out before this released.

Yeah. Animated series was, September, September

of 92. Yeah. Yeah. So like this, this was recorded

around the same time. They just, yeah, they just,

I mean, Hamill already had his Joker legs on

him. So he was, he was still learning it when

he first got into the cartoon. But then when

this film came, he was already ingrained. Like

he was a pro at it. And, but I, I liked it. I

think they brought back Andrea in justice league.

Didn't they? Or unlimited. They might have mentioned

her. What they did, I know what they did do,

though, in the comics, Kyle Higgins brought her

back in. Is Batman Beyond 2 .0 run because one

of those arcs is called Mark of the Phantasm?

We interrupt this program to bring you an editor's

featured in Justice League Unlimited Epilogue

because Amanda Waller used Andrea as the potential

assassin who was going to kill Terry's parents.

That didn't happen, though. But yes, the Phantasm

is in Justice League Unlimited. Now back to our

regularly scheduled program. So, as a play on

Mask the Phantasm. So, I just, I play with the

headcanon that she survived and she's just letting,

you know, just staying out of the way. And then,

of course, we know the Joker survived. Because

he gets ultimately taken out by Robin number

two, Tim Drake. And then taken out by Terry McGinnis.

So, yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed this film. This

and Return of the Joker are probably my two favorite

Bat films of all time. Yeah, I will agree with

that, absolutely. And this, of course, is my

number one favorite just because you get Bruce

and all of his full -on, you know, like, total...

set of emotions, total backstory. You get, you

know, all the things he wishes he could do, all

the things that he's stuck doing, you know, like

he's taken on this perilous mission and does

it because of all of the, the evil that's been

done to him. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. It's out of all

the animated Batman movies they've done. I will

say that this and Return of the Joker are the

two best. Do I still enjoy Sub -Zero? Yes. Do

I still enjoy some of the DC original animated

movies that they've done? Yes, because they're

adapting comics for that. That's different. As

far as the DC animated universe goes, this is

top tier and Return of the Joker is top tier.

I'm probably going to watch Return of the Joker.

more than i re -watched this but like i said

i had the technology the announcement was made

that this was coming out september 12th of this

year i'm like pre -order immediately because

i already knew i could play it i already knew

i could have and as soon as i oh man oh just

watching it on a 55 inch television is just amazing

and it's Pretty much, it's not, it's formatted

to screen, so it's not like, oh, you're having

all, there are a little bit of black bars, but

not many, because it is what it is, but just

absolutely love this. This is the only version

I need. If they do any more versions of it, I

don't need any more. This is the only one I need.

I've had it on VHS in the past. I had it on DVD

in the past. Like I said, I've had the standard

definition version on Vudu for years. Now that

I've got this, I've got this upgraded to that.

And it's just so good. It looks great. It sounds

great. Everything. And then before we get into

what else is on this disc, because that's another

reason, unless you can find it on YouTube, which

I'm sure you can, that's another reason why you

need this, is because the only bonus feature

on this is the Kevin Conroy I Am The Night. And

it's a spotlight on Kevin and everything he did

with the role. And it's things we've heard him

say all the time before, but you were asking

earlier about... If Phantasm returned at all

anywhere, and I found in the Batman Beyond Unlimited

and Batman Beyond Universe digital comics from

2012 to 2015, there was an arc called Mark of

the Phantasm. The story takes place a year before

the current events and explains what led Terry

to leave Bruce after a night fending off the

Jokers, Batman, and Vigilante go their separate

ways. During the fight, Vigilante's blood was

spilled on the scene and collected by the police,

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Uh, Terry goes

to Dick and Barbara after his talk with Bruce

and yeah. So she eventually shows up and, and,

and all that. And, uh, they actually bring in,

um, they actually, I believe they bring in Jake

chill. I think if I've got, I, we JT and I did

a whole pull bag episode on, on this. So people

can go back and check that out. But yeah, as

far as celebrities go, there's no bigger Batman

celebrity than Kevin Conroy. But that special

feature, if you haven't seen it yet, you need

to watch it because, oh, man, just it basically

is a highlight for Kevin Conroy. And just it's

so good. I know we've been praising this thing

up and down folks. And well, it's, it's hard

not to praise this film. Yeah. And it's hard

for me. It's really hard to like, and there's

so many people we've lost that are in it, which

is going to be a future geek cast radio episodes,

including the animated series. Oh yeah. And it

sucks watching it. Cause you're like, Oh, I remember

them. I remember them. And it's, but I'm finding

that with like, and we mentioned this in, uh

another show another episode yep discussing robin

hood men in tights like the older we get the

more these people that we grew up watching and

everything we're in you know they're all passing

away they're all dying they're all you know some

illness has gotten them it's it's sad and i mean

it's a fact of life everybody has to move on

but It sucks because it means you're never getting

something out of them again unless you're like

Robin Williams and they recorded extra hours

and hours of stuff that was unusable at the time

but they found a way to use it now. Yeah, 100%.

It's just one of those things where – I forget

if it was this year or a couple of years. I wrote

a blog post about expressing grief over the loss

of celebrities or – Yeah, we don't know these

people personally, but we know their work. We

know the entertainment that they've given us,

and that's what affects us. That's why we're

sad. Generally, we're sad when anyone dies because

that's just a sad thing, but we got a chance.

God damn it. I'm going to lose my shit. In 2012,

you and I got a chance to talk to Kevin Conroy.

I know. I wish we would have got him back. Probably

one of the greatest moments we had had to that

point. And I had asked a few times over the years

since then to get him back, but we never did.

And it is what it is. And then after, you had

gone to do some cooking duties after the 9 -11

tragedy to help out in New York. You want to

tell that story? You want me to tell that story?

Sure. It's got a lot of foul language in it.

Should I clean it up? No, that's fine. We are

so explicit here at the Geekcast Radio Network.

Oh, really? Yes. Okay. Well, you know, I live

in New York, and after the attack, everyone wanted

to help. I mean, the thing that was amazing,

you always see those pictures of everyone running

away from the buildings as they were coming down

with the cupboard with soot, but what you don't

see any pictures of is everyone running back.

As soon as the dust cleared, people started running

back to try and help people. And so I called.

There was a number set up. Everyone was being

told to go to the Javits Convention Center. That's

where they were coordinating the volunteers.

So I went to the Javits Center, and they already

had everybody they needed. They had such a huge

turnout. They said, look, we've got... Everyone,

we have all the tunnelers, we have all the diggers,

we have overwhelmed with volunteers. We don't

need anybody. So I was feeling so dejected. I

was on my way home thinking, what am I going

to do? I want to help. And I stopped off at a

coffee shop, and there was a guy there covered

with dust who had just come from Ground Zero

and said, he was talking to the waitress about

how he was working in a kitchen there. And I

said to him, this total stranger, I said, you

know, I just came from the volunteer place. They

told me they didn't need anybody anymore. He

said, do you really want to volunteer? I said,

yeah. So he wrote down this phone number. He

said, call this number. They need people. This

is the kitchen at Ground Zero. So I called them

up, and they said that they did need people.

And they said, do you have any restaurant experience?

I said, I'm an actor. Of course I have restaurant

experience. What do you need? Actors can do anything

at a restaurant. He said, so we really need cooks.

I said, well, I worked in a short order cook

when I was going through Juilliard. They said,

are you free now? And I said, yeah, I'm between

jobs. They said, no, we mean right now, like

tonight. We need someone tonight. I said, yeah,

I'll be right there. So I ended up doing the

night shift. So like from 6 p .m. to about 6

a .m. And it was a few blocks away from the actual

pit. But it was a big, big like cafeteria that

they had commandeered. It was a restaurant I

think called Nino's. It was a big old restaurant.

And they had taken it over. And all the work

crews would come in covered with dust and soot.

just exhausted. And it was a very hot September.

Um, so it was, it was really, it was a very depressing

atmosphere. And there were these huge work lights

set up all over lower Manhattan, setting it up.

It looked like a moonscape, um, because it was

a big, a big search site and people would come

in and there was just this sort of rumbling kind

of, um, melancholy, um, mumble going on. Cause

You know, everyone was so overwhelmed by what

had happened. And I was working this night shift

and this guy who was next to me one night goes,

so I'm an architect during my day job. What's

your day job? I said, well, I'm an actor. He

said, yeah, but do you do some special kind of

acting? I said, I thought I knew your name. I

said, well, I really work in animation. I do

voices. He said, I knew it. You're a Batman.

How did you know that? He said, everybody knows

who's Batman. I said, no, everyone does not know

who's Batman. He said, oh, my God, the guys are

going to go crazy if I tell them that. I said,

no one's going to care. He said, are you crazy?

He said, watch. So he goes out in the dining

room, and he goes, guys, guys, you're not going

to believe who's been cooking your dinners. It's

Batman. And there was this long pause, and you

hear it from the back of the auditorium. Bullshit.

And then someone else says, make him prove it.

So I'm back in the kitchen, right, in this big,

echoey kitchen, and I do, I am vengeance. I am

the night. I am Batman. And there's this long,

long fountain here from the back of the auditorium.

Holy fuck, that is Batman. And we're all sort

of pouring back into the kitchen, and suddenly

you hear this laughter. And this guy's like,

hey, you know that episode where you and the

Joker, you know, I like that show all the time

with my kids. And, you know, hey, man, what's

that dated lady like? And everyone wanted to

know everything about the show. And then the

guy who had recognized me, the architect, says,

what's it like to be Santa Claus? Because that's

what happened. Santa Claus just got here. And

it was true. It was like suddenly people had

something else to think about, you know? And

so I emailed Andrea the next morning at Warner

Brothers, and I told her what had happened that

night. I wrote it all as a story. And I said

at the end of it, you know, what we do is not

insignificant. We're already contributing. And

she said she circulated that all around Warner

Brothers. She said everybody at Warner Brothers

loved that story. It's just an amazing story

because, you know, a lot of, you know, and that

goes to like, you know, you know, sometimes we

will ask a question of, you know, do you get

recognized, you know, on this? Because a lot

of times voice actors. in person don't get recognized

unless you're at a convention and a big sign

says, hey, this is Kevin Conroy. I assumed this

would be a completely anonymous job, and for

many years it was. In the early 90s, no one knew

what I was doing. It was when the internet developed,

and you could just Google someone's name and

then get the picture, and suddenly everyone knew

who was Batman. It's really since the internet

that people... know who's doing what and um for

for many many years it was completely anonymous

and i was used to it that way i kind of liked

it that way actually that interview that conversation

especially the way he and i know he's told this

i know he had told this story before to other

people but the way he tells his september 11th

story to us is my favorite version of how he

tells that story Just because it is so good.

People go back and listen to that interview if

you want to. Go back and listen to me and Steve

and Jesse right after Kevin died. We did a tribute

to him last year on Geekcast Radio. You can listen

to that. Mask of the Phantasm. I would recommend

this to anybody. I don't care who they are, superhero

fan or not. If you want to get into superheroes,

the line starts here and goes around the block

as far as animation goes. Yeah, I miss it. Yeah,

absolutely. Looking back, there's some people

that we've interviewed that I wish we would have

got back for a second time before they passed,

just to pick their brain, because they've played

a big part on how a lot of us grew up. Absolutely,

100%. 100%. Easily. I don't even need to ask

Steve. I'm pretty sure both of us are going to

give this a five out of five because like if

there were things wrong with it, I'm too colorblinded

by nostalgia and the fact that I just I I get

involved in the film and I don't feel like fast

forwarding. So. And I even watched like every

single detail. I watched it like two or three

times to see if there was anything in this movie

like that is like either plot wise or whatever.

And there really is nothing to nitpick on it.

It's a damn good movie that should have made

way more money than what it did initially. Obviously,

over the last 30 years, it's made its money back.

Yeah, go watch this movie, folks. Go over to

Amazon, get the 4K version of it, and you will

watch this movie like you've never seen it before.

So we are going to go to a quick ad break. You're

going to hear some ads and some other stuff.

We're going to come back to close the show right

after this. It sort of started a tradition. The

following week, I had another big fight. I was

like, Joker, I'll get you. And then we heard

from the booth. And then you say, oh, Andre.

And anyone who was new that week would be like,

what is going on here? And it got to be a thing

going on and on and on. And it was a lot of fun.

And it was sort of an ongoing gag. In the studio.

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of awesome old stuff. Because some of these new

shows... And the other thing that I didn't mention

in the last time when we were talking about Robin

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this. A lot of the new stuff doesn't get a chance

to get us hooked. Like, it'll get... two episodes,

or three episodes, or five episodes, and then

poof, gone, because it doesn't make enough money

yet for the streamers, which sucks. Pretty much.

Yeah. I love the modern -day technology, folks,

but I miss the old ways that TV was. I just do.

I miss... 2009 2010 honestly when netflix will

just drop a whole season on us instead of season

one part one with six episodes in season one

part two with another no give it to me now especially

if i'm paying your prices now you're charging

me 30 something bucks a month for for premium

uh -uh nope oh boy netflix give me a break Give

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in my brain. All right. That's all, folks. Steve,

any final thoughts? And where can the people

find you on social media? They can find me on

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at SCP -21 on the platform. Mm -hmm. But... Uh,

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Phillips VO. Very cool. Very cool. Yeah. Batman,

masculine phantasm folks, 30th anniversary, 4k

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