WWE Extreme Rules and Money in the Bank 2017 Review

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not about the stuff we're going to talk about,

but hey. Yeah, it's... Mike Dodd tapped out,

folks. He was like, I hated extreme rules, so...

To be fair, when's the last time? he's been on

a podcast you said it not me anyway yeah so tonight

we're gonna talk about extreme rules and money

in the bank both were very lackluster well they

had some good points they had some good points

but overall both were very kind of Think I said

this on Twitter or Facebook or wherever It's

like after WrestleMania the creative and the

storylines just kind of dropped the ball I mean

the athleticism is always gonna be there You

know the sports part of it is always gonna be

there, but the actual entertainment and storyline

part is like Extreme rules was very on extreme

like It feels like though like that's part of

the problem with WWE right now Like they're not

really concentrating on what they're good at

for example, like right now the athleticism and

the wrestling ability I would argue is Maybe

better than it's ever been but they have a ridiculous

amount of athletic talent and guys who can do,

you know, just crazy stuff in the ring but the

problem is you know the entertainment aspect

as in the whole writing and you know writing

good storylines and making the characters interesting

they're really sticking at So yeah, like they've

got the WW part, it's the E part that's bad.

And I think part of the problem is they concentrate

on the storylines and everything. Like I'm getting

outside of the pay -per -views, but for example,

like that long segment on Monday night to end

raw, which was... The you know the reveal that

you know Cass was the one attacking Enzo. Yes,

which it's not a bad reveal I don't have an issue

with that The issue I have with it was it was

a really long segment I think that's the most

I've seen. I'm not sure about his NXT days because

I haven't watched any of his NXT stuff, but I'm

pretty sure that's the longest Cass has done

mic work since he's been in WWE. You might be

right overall, too. Like, he didn't talk an awful

lot in NXT. Now, to be in his defense, that was

probably his best work, but it just went on too

long. It's a little like, I like Bray Wyatt and

his promos and that kind of thing, but he goes

way too long. very often and then the other problem

with bray of course is his promos are interesting

but he says the same shit and then goes out and

loses like it's not interesting if you know he

has no chance whatsoever of winning so it's kind

of boring at that point and there's so many guys

that have fallen into that trap right now too

like they wrestle really well but you never feel

like it's it's going anywhere for them and so

yeah it's just i mean honestly the only i'm trying

to think now um yeah because they're on raw um

miz and dean i said this i think last episode

or the episode before when we did wrestlemania

or something we've seen miz and dean before but

Yeah, but I think this time they've upped the

ante a little bit with the whole Miz pushing

Maurice in the way kind of like using her as

a shield which is not exactly cool and it's really

kind of stupid when you think about it for his

character because he's always wanting to you

know Talk up to people and But I think Dean and

miz's interactions with each other when they're

not actually Fighting each other when you know

like the whole teddy bear thing and they can't

the cameraman bit was great. I love the camera

bit Yeah, I'd agree that like they're there's

something about them that they've imprint improved

and that's been a fun angle I've really enjoyed

the Joe The Joe Brock stuff. I'm really interested

in that. Let me ask you when they had to Empty

the entire locker room to split them up Was it

this week or last week or there was some time

recently that was this week, okay? Didn't that

feel like Brock taker? It did but they haven't

done it in a couple of years So at least they

not overdoing it like the guy taker one was literally

almost two years ago Okay, and so yeah, I agree

it did but it sort of works. The only thing I

didn't like was I kind of wish, I feel like it

would have been, it would have felt more important

if Brock actually talked. Cause he talks so rarely.

I think it would have meant something. It would

have been kind of cool, but I'm kind of nitpicking

though. I like what they've done with that, but

then everything else. Like, so you've got right

now, you've got a Bray. Seth feuding there's

no chance Bray wins that so who cares like it's

the same stuff he keeps telling Seth like I'm

a god and my reply to that would be like I don't

think God loses about 90 % of his matches I'm

pretty sure Jinder Mahal when he was a jobber

won more often than Bray does so yeah that who

cares Hate to say it, but Randy genders just

not doing it for me. It's no it's not it like

I just Randy Randy beating up the Singh brothers

is nice, but the Randy genders stuff in itself

He's gotten way better I want to give him credit

for that But he still it doesn't feel special

when he's out there with the belt at all. He

doesn't feel Different from anybody else like

I look at him and I hear him talk and I go. Yeah,

he's got talent But he's still not half as talented

as a lot of the other guys on the card and I

think that hurts him a lot and I mean Orton's

been solid in this but not great. Also him getting

mad at Seeing for involving his family is hilarious

because I mean Orton's big breakout was when

he beat up John Cena's dad if you remember Yeah,

and then yeah, and then his other big moment

was threatening hunters family. So Yeah Whoops,

they seem to I guess he forgot about all that.

But anyway, that's not doing it for me The the

Cesaro Seamus stuff Against the Hardys has been

good matches Yeah, but I don't know it it for

whatever reason it just hasn't been clicking

Then you've got Owen Styles They just haven't

really got going yet, but I have a feeling that'll

be good because the two guys are ridiculously

talented but right now I'll put that in the not

going yet and then that's about it like I know

there's other sort of feuds, but nothing that's

for sure going to be a match at the next pay

-per -view for each brand. So I don't know. There's

a lot of stuff that's not doing it for me. At

the time of this recording, or at the time that

this goes up on the 26th of June, we'll be one

week and one day away from John's return to SmackDown.

The only reason why I bring this up is because

I've seen this advertisement on The shows it

says free agent John Cena So does that mean they're

gonna do some sort of storyline where he either

stays on smackdown or goes to raw? My guess is

he comes back to smackdown And he says like I

can't stand you Jinder Mahal having the belt

I gotta challenge you that kind of thing and

he'll be the one to get it off him Now having

said that either I would definitely put him on

smackdown between the two shows again And I root

because I really think he would and will inject

some life into the show because it's Smackdown

just seems like it doesn't have any direction

lately. I Really think he would help it a lot.

So that's why I'd put him there Ross sort of

has a direction like when Brock's there You know

they can hype that up And their women's division

is slightly less of a complete train wreck that

we'll get to Yeah Smackdown I think the I think

it's not just because of John's absence I also

think it's because of Daniel Bryan's absence

because obviously he and Brie had a baby girl

So he's been out so he hasn't even been doing

his general manager stuff, and he just came back

After money in the bank this week, so And It

seems like you know I understand in the beginning

when they did the draft Shane and Daniel said

we're gonna be you know hands -on But also hands

off we want it to be You know the superstars

that do the stuff. We don't want to be the interfering

You know upper management people like Vicky Guerrero

and all of that, but still it's like Shane really

hasn't done Too much like I'm not I'm okay with

it not revolving around. Yeah Because we had

way too much of that with Triple H and Stephanie.

Yeah, I don't know. It's yeah their biggest problem

is it just they're there They're writing just

doesn't been good. I mean, I'm not interested

in an awful lot of the stuff that happens on

it and yeah it's it's crazy all right so getting

into extreme rules Get extreme. Kendo's dick

will be legal. Will Bailey get extreme? Rules

were made for superstars like Dean Ambrose. If

Ambrose is disqualified, he's going to lose his

Intercontinental Championship to The Miz. For

the first time ever, we're going to have an Extreme

Rules Fatal Five -Way Match. And the winner will

face Brock Lesnar for the Universal Championship.

Seth Rollins. I've been to Suplex City and I'm

not afraid to go back. Samoa Joe. Action. I enter

the Fatal Five -Way Results. I win. Finn Balor.

I will go on to face Brock Lesnar for the championship

that I never lost. Bray Wyatt. I will take it.

Spear of destiny and I would deliver it right

into the heart of the beast for Roman Reigns.

I'm the only guy around here that can beat Brock

Lesnar. This is my yard. Every man for himself

who is the favorite. Everybody has an opportunity.

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pre -show for this one because I didn't I never

do but I always have to ask I saw the end I've

gone back and watched it now. I mean Kalisto

Apollo Cruz was Solid and I mean, that's the

only match that was on the pre -show. It was

a solid match. I mean It was entertaining. It

was better than some of the stuff lives on the

card. We'll get to but yeah, it's And I mean,

this is going to be a recurring theme in every

single match except the final one. But why did

they call it extreme rules? Because there is

next to no extreme rules or anything else. I

mean, the first match in this was the Miz and

Dean Ambrose, where if there's a DQ, Dean still

loses the belt. How does having a DQ finish in

a match, now it didn't end in a DQ but I'm just

saying, how would having any type of DQ, how

does that mesh with it being an Extreme Rules

pay -per -view? It doesn't at all. But that ending,

that ending was so meh, I mean... I was okay

with it because I was happy that they didn't

just go with the DQ stuff. I was worried that

that's how they'd end it. And I like that Miz

still didn't really win cleanly. Yeah. Yeah.

And I mean, we've talked about this plenty of

times before, you know, Dean's not, when he gets

belts on him, he doesn't really step up. He just

kind of stays in neutral. and I don't think it's

a coincidence that's another reason why this

one this feud with uh with Miz seems a little

more exciting because Miz is the one chasing

yeah yeah absolutely sorry Dean's the one chasing

not Miz whoops yeah well yeah see that's the

thing like Dean when he's on the chase for something

he's really good but you also have to be good

when you get the belt i mean honestly dean needs

to take some sena lessons i mean very rarely

in sena's career have i seen him be a paper champion

if i don't think he's ever really been a paper

champion but uh and they've never really let

dean do the open challenge stuff yeah or anything

like that too, which I think has hurt him. And

he always seems to feud with guys who are not

super interesting, except for the Miz. For whatever

reason, the Miz has just been on his game for

the past year plus now. Almost two years at this

point. I mean, he's really been going strong

with it. Next up, we had the mix tag match. This

was the... wasn't this the cruiserweight thing?

The next Sasha and rich versus Alicia and are

yes, I mean Miz Miz wins the title here and That

feud has continued and yeah, the next match was

rich and Sasha versus no I'm darn Alicia Fox

I could care absolutely less about this mostly

because To be blunt Alicia Fox is horrible She

just has really not improved that much. She's

okay in the ring. Her character is awful and

annoying and I just don't care. Next. She has

no character. I mean, yeah. I mean, mercifully

Sasha keeps winning in this feud. Yeah. Rich

Swan won on Raw and hopefully this is the last

we'll see of this really silly feud. Yeah. I

mean, I like Sasha. I think Sasha deserves better

than this. Oh, yes You should be in the mix for

the title, but she should but she's not no So

then we had the women's kendo stick match. Whoa.

Whoa. Whoa, you're forgetting the one of the

most important parts of this Pay -per -view and

that is the brilliant work of Elias Samson, please.

God knows stop I love the Drifter gimmick he's

got and I love his terrible singing. I love how

cliche and how he sings about how much the town

sucks and everything for cheap eats. I really

like him. I don't know what it is. I know he's

annoying and yeah, his singing is deliberately

not good, but I get a kick out of it for some

reason. So I would walk with Elias. And then

yeah, we had the super quick kendo stick match

which okay, so out of curiosity Did you feel

like I have no idea if this is true or not? But

it feels like the kendo stick like fell down

earlier Yeah, this match was really quick but

the problem is though they still seemed to get

in all the stuff they wanted like the whole bit

was you know bailey was gonna get extreme and

she was angry etc etc and she really didn't stick

and she can't like hit yeah she can't bring herself

to beat alexa with it which i don't know it just

seems silly it didn't help bailey's character

at all it just no it didn't help her character

at all and i'll be okay you look at this match

it's bailey versus alexa it's face versus heel

obviously bailey is the face and alexa is the

heel if alexa ever turns face i probably won't

ever like her again because she is one of the

best women heels on raw but it's one of those

things where bailey is one of the best faces

on raw and that's what's the way she's always

been so putting bailey even in a paper view called

extreme rules and trying to see if she would

even get extreme honestly makes no sense half

the time to me But it's one of those things where

they hype this up. They're like, OK, well, let's

see if she gets extreme. And she just stood there

and then Alexa just beat the living shit out

of her. Yeah. I mean, it just it. What did this

do for anybody? Nothing. Yeah, I just I don't

feel like this did anything for anybody. It's

more it's another example of like what I was

trying to say earlier that Smackdown's writing.

It just doesn't feel like they're going anywhere

with anybody. I don't know like them These two

were good wrestlers like Alexa Bliss has improved

Way more than I ever thought she would I was

completely wrong about her and Bailey is fantastic

They've pretty much trashed her character at

this point and like They deserve better than

this stupid short match which in the end didn't

do anything and just kind of makes both of them

look bad Yep, pretty much Then we get to Seamus

and Cesaro versus the Hardys. This was by far

Probably the best match of the night Mmm, I'd

say the finale. But anyway, my problem with this

one was the stipulation was stupid The whole

both guys have to be on the outside at the same

time seemed confusing And it caused, like, a

lot of really silly moments, like, where somebody,

you know, could have gone out of the cage or

left through the door, but didn't, because they

didn't want to leave their partner alone. And

then in the end, Jeff just leaves Matt alone

for a bit anyway. But it didn't matter, because

Matt managed to beat up both Cesaro and Seamus

for a bit, but still didn't leave for whatever

reason. Yeah. It just... This was... The stipulation

just kind of ruined, or at least for me, I thought

this could have been a lot better, is what I'm

trying to say, but the stipulation was silly.

The ending was silly, too, where Jeff hits the

gigantic, you know, Swanton, well, whisper in

the wind off the top, onto both men. But both

Seamus and Cesaro get up and get out before Jeff

can even get up and go through the door That

was also silly. Yeah If your move apparently

results in you being way more injured than the

other guy, it's a dumb move I realize like, you

know, obviously it's not It obviously that move

hurts Jeff a lot in real life, yeah but in terms

of like wrestling fiction when you do a move

it's supposed to hurt your opponent more than

you yep absolutely up next was the Austin versus

Neville this was the cruiserweight match before

we get to this I do because I want to bring this

up I know we talk a lot about the announcing

but Corey Graves was on on point in this pay

-per -view. I mean he had the line during the

women's match from Prince Adam to He -Man I was

like, oh no he didn't and then for the For the

Austin Neville match. He's like a lot of hot

sauce on that shot right there, huh Cole? I was

like, oh my god Alexa Bliss wants nothing to

do with the challenger. Of course Bliss is running

away Bailey picked up the kendo stick It's like

she went from Prince Adam to He -Man Yeah, I

really like him. He is The best they have and

of any of the announcers which is a lot when

you consider some of the other ones Yeah, by

the way, does David Otunga even do anything anymore?

Apparently he's still doing a movie Okay. Oh

I mean to be fair. I would send Booker off with

him too because he's also terrible but Booker

just doesn't make any sense. Sometimes I wonder

like what he's watching Yeah Uh, maybe they've,

you know, maybe each of them has their own monitors,

but they always forget to plug bookers in. And

so he talks about whatever. I don't know. Anyway,

by the way, should note about the last match,

uh, and the others so far that in my opinion,

the right people won each of these matches. Okay.

Like I like having the Hardys chasing Cesaro

and Seamus right now. Yeah, that works. because

the hearties are good enough and great enough

everybody knows who they are they don't need

the belts on them to be a legitimate tag team

right as our own sheamus i think it helps them

more right now because they're you know they're

still a newish tag team they're not the hearties

who are you know one of the greatest of all time

yeah i mean yes is our own sheamus are new and

that they finally move past the storyline of

them needing to try to get along with each other

they're getting along with each other now and

then having the belts in the hearties chasing

the I mean, it would be different if it was the

Dudleys and the Hardys going for a milestone.

When they brought the Dudleys back, the Dudleys

were going to be like, oh, it's been 10 years

or 12 years or whatever the hell long, and we're

trying to become 10 -time tag team. They're going

for that certain number, kind of like what John's

doing with the WWE Championship. But in this

case, It makes more sense like you said to have

the Hardys chasing the championship than actually

them being the champions Because they're not

they're not gonna be around long enough to break

any any tag team records No, probably not so

Austin versus Neville I actually did watch this

match and the reason why I say I actually did

it I I'm not too I'm not into a lot of the indie

stuff that I need that IDW wow I'm not a lot

of I'm not into a lot of the stuff that WWE does

outside of Raw and SmackDown, even though the

Cruiserweight stuff is on Raw and SmackDown.

And it depends on who's fighting who, but I like

Austin Aries versus Neville. And I like Neville

before he went back to NXT and then the Cruiserweights.

But this match - I like him as the bad guy though,

this is what's really well for him. Yes it did,

yeah. And I feel sort of bad for Aries, cuz I

mean he's chasing the belt. Aries for anyone

who doesn't know is like a - natural heal slash

bad guy it's really tough for him to be the good

guy so I mean I feel kind of bad that you know

he had to be that has to be the good guy against

devil and he just doesn't work nearly as well

he is an excellent bad guy so I'm hoping what

happens now is you know he because he lost this

match this has been the last time he's he's challenged

for it He comes he goes away and he kind of comes

back as a Colossal jerk he's excellent at and

this was another stipulation. This was a submission

match So, I mean it's yet another like stipulation

that what does that have to do with extreme rules?

Nothing the only one we had we had the cage match

which the cage didn't figure in the same way

it usually does because of the whole both guys

need to be out at the same time stipulation yeah

and then we had the kendo stick match which i

mean the less said about that the better yeah

uh so i don't know we still yeah haven't this

we you know we finally get extreme with the next

match at least fatal five way oh boy So we had

Bray Wyatt versus Seth Rollins versus Samojo

versus Roman Reigns versus Finn Balor. I loved

this match. And this match was good. I thought

there was just a lot of fun stuff happening.

I thought they did a good job of making everybody

look good and giving everybody some moments to

do things. And I honestly wasn't sure who was

going to win as I was watching it, except I knew

Bray Wyatt wasn't because. Yeah, Bray Wyatt never

wins. Never wins anything, yeah. I know they'll

never do this because they don't want to turn

him, they don't want to not have him be the monster

character, but Bray Wyatt is the WWE's version

of Rodney Dangerfield. I get no respect, no respect.

I like the Fatal Five way. I think Joe winning

was the best outcome. Yeah, cuz I think they

want they wanted somebody who could look like

he couldn't can defeat Brock Lesnar Now whether

he does or doesn't I assume he won't but I suppose

you never know and obviously like the plan let's

be honest is You know Reigns is gonna beat Lesnar

at WrestleMania. That's what it feels like Yeah,

everybody and you know Vince and everybody seemed

to think everyone's gonna cheer But I mean it

feels like they're just delaying the inevitable

Brock versus Roman where they annoyed Roman the

You know toughest guy in WWE and blah blah blah

Yeah, so I didn't think he was necessarily gonna

win this either But in the interim, yeah Joe

is Joe's a guy who's been, you know wrestling

forever all these in smaller federations But

he's fantastic Yeah, the whole match here was

was just great and I am slowly Becoming a Samoa

Joe fan I really enjoy him The idea of him and

Brock and the whole setup that that that that

that has happened since since extreme rules,

I mean And Joe's one of those guys who is a legitimate

like badass in real life, you know Stepping away

from the wrestling ring. Although if you watch

him on up up down down He's a he's a funny and

be a really nice guy right, but I mean You know,

he looks like he could completely destroy you

and that's because he can because he can yeah

That's why they call him the destroyer So, I

mean this is gonna be a match that's definitely

gonna be hard -hitting it's two guys that tend

to Work stiff as the saying goes like, you know,

they Enjoy matches that are really physical and

that kind of thing. So it should be a really

good show and it's never happened before which

is pretty cool like You know these two guys There's

not a lot of dream matches left of guys who have

never met each other Yeah, and that kind of thing,

but this is one of them for a lot of fans like

me who you know, I watched Joe when he broke

into TNA all those years ago and thought, this

guy's really good. Why did WWE pass on him? And

all these years, finally they get around to it.

Yep, absolutely. Zero to five scale, what would

you give Extreme Rules? I mean, this wasn't good.

There are two matches I enjoyed out of the whole

thing. Yeah. I thought the stipulation hurt or

stipulations in almost all the matches hurts

The matches. Yeah, they did the stipulations

were just stupid Yeah, like a DQ match at extreme

rules like oh, yeah, that's great Also, I mean,

you know Ambrose usually works better in the

more extreme like different matches that kind

of thing So to take that away from him at an

extreme rules was baffling Anyway, wasn't it

was it last year the year before the extreme

rules the yeah, it was the Jericho match Yeah

with the tax and all the stuff that oh it was

Dean's asylum match That's what it was like that's

what Dean needs Dean needs that extreme type

of stuff in the ring. Or just let him out to

do something different. Be it brawl backstage

for a bit or whatever. But I mean, don't have

an extreme rules match up for the guy and then.

Have it not be extreme. Anyway. I think I'm going

to give it a. Oh, hell, two out of five. Same

here, two out of five. I mean, most of that too

is the final match. Yeah, it is the final match.

For me, it's also the Austin Neville match as

well. Cause that was really good. Alright, we're

gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna

come back to controversy. So it is time for money

in the bank And we thought extreme rules couldn't

get even worse. Oh my god Anyway, we opened up

with the hype rose and the colognes on the pre

-show Yeah, oh jeez. I mean, oh boy. I'm real

glad to see the hyper. I don't care Zack's all

right. Zack's a cool guy You just don't like

mojo and I'm sure I've seen him. I mean he's

a good guy with the kids that kind of thing Yeah,

not necessarily aimed at me. Yeah having said

that His interview after he lost where he kind

of got introspective was kind of cool But yeah,

I don't know I just not a fan Yeah, no no things

I'm not a fan of The high pros won that match

and now it looks like they might finally get

their Title shot if they can beat the usos in

a non title match Because remember they were

supposed to challenge way back when Zack actually

got injured. Yeah That has been done raw like

Smackdown, I'm sorry. Like forever ago. Yeah

I mean that well and the reason why that came

up that that happened is because of what happened

in the first ever women's money in the bank ladder

match Well, the match was solid Through up until

the end and yeah I liked that it looked like

the women were doing a really good job of building

up using the ladders more and slowly getting

towards it because you'll see the men kind of

did that this time to they didn't bust out the

ladders immediately and start flipping off them

like it was a good way to to Slowly builds to

the more exciting stuff, right? Then it just

goes off the rails like it felt like it and a

felt like it ended too early Be the ending is

just stupid. I Mean, so I'm gonna set aside wrestling

for a second, which seems a little weird in a

wrestling show, but it's okay my problem with

this is for years the Women the female wrestlers

were a sideshow to the men and one of the Real

negatives of the attitude era was the shitty

treatment of women and the female wrestlers,

you know They were there for bra and panties

matches and lingerie matches and all this other

stuff. They weren't treated as athletes because

I mean the men never had swimsuit competitions

or You know underwear matches or whatever. Yeah

and We fast forward, you know years later These

women Becky Charlotte Natalia as well. I'll throw

in there Sasha and Bailey and now, you know Asuka

and some of the others Down in NXT on Alexa should

probably get thrown into this as well, too Because

she's improved enough and Naomi's an excellent

wrestler, too Yeah, they've all proved like some

of them are much better than some of the men

on the roster Absolutely, and they deserve the

chance To have the opportunity to use the same

things the men get to use to make themselves

look good Mm -hmm. So finally they get that chance

And the fucking man in it is the guy who grabs

the briefcase the toad. Yeah, I Understand they

did it because in terms of wrestling now getting

back to that Carmela's of a heel she's a bad

guy and James is you know helping her and this

was and this was their Way to get them booed

more and it worked in that sense But what doesn't

work for me is it seems it just feels really

tone -deaf That it's 2017 you're finally trying

to portray the women as something more than a

you know cheap sideshow or just there to be stared

at by the guys or drooled on and You do you know

you pull this shit Yeah, it just felt really

wrong Yeah, it did. And not from a wrestling

standpoint. From a wrestling standpoint it makes

sense and it's a smart sort of thing, but there's

more to this than wrestling in my opinion. The

misogyny in this whole thing is just crazy. Yeah,

and that's the issue. And I know that some people

watch wrestling to get away from it, so maybe

they don't see it, that kind of thing. But I

think if you're a woman and you're watching this

and you're getting into wrestling, or actually

hell, if you're one of the women in this match,

you probably feel pretty shitty seeing a guy

be the one that ends it. the at the end of this

match all of the other women were outside the

ring or they were all incapacitated or the only

the only woman in the ring was Carmela yeah none

of the other four women could actually get to

James James to stop him from tossing the briefcase

down to Carmela Wish that that could have happened

because I what I don't understand is is it's

not even though You know the reverse, you know,

you know the misogyny the reverse sexualization

all that crap It's not even that what I don't

understand is this is a fucking pay -per -view

People have are still probably paying 30 40 50

60 $70 for these things on cable you're paying

that amount of money. First of all, go get the

WWE Network 999. But second of all, if you're

paying that kind of money, this is the worst

match you could see because it sets up a rematch

on SmackDown, which you can watch. Yeah. And

I'm like, I mean, you're right in saying about

the whole. I mean, why even have this match?

Because now they've hit the reset button and

it's just. None of this, you know, it would have

been a lot better if Ellsworth had held the ladder

a la Kane, Seth or helped, you know, Carmella

pick it up or get to the briefcase. That would

have been OK. Yeah. But the way they did it was

silly enough that in the end, yeah, they've now

decided to. To reset it. I feel like what they

should have done is they should have stuck with

this If you know if you're gonna do it stick

with it have Carmella You know have Ellsworth

come out and say like I did this for you that

kind of thing You know, this is how much I care

about you have Carmella treat them like shit

for a couple weeks Then have her just like dump

him and make him like feel like a complete idiot

in front of the live audience and then have her

reveal that you know this was all her plan she

was just using him all along that would get her

i think a lot of heat uh without the match you

know without having to redo everything because

now it just seems silly yeah well it would make

it even better of course this i don't think this

can happen now obviously because they're on two

different shows is the fact that her boyfriend

is on raw Oh, yeah, her real -life one. Yeah,

yeah, she's dating Cass. Yes in reality because

I wanted to see Well, I wasn't sure I you know

who knows but I wanted to see if if they were

actually in real life her and James actually

in some sort of friendship relationship, whatever

and they're not obviously but It would have been

awesome if Cass came down Actually, you do what

I just said and then have cast come down and

beat up James Yeah, pretty much make him feel

even dumber and worse. Yeah, and that's you know,

you're Yeah And just in terms of this pay -per

-view like getting back to actual wrestling again

So, you know Carmelo won the money in the bank

match for the women through you know controversial

finish and then you have the next match and controversially

with a freaking count act yeah like i've you

know the whole point of pay per views is you

build up to them for a month on the shows for

free and then you have the big blow off stuff

at the pay per view but nothing happened in this

pay per view like the first match is literally

being reset Match to the new day one beat the

usos via count out and so that feuds continuing

Mm -hmm, like there's no ending to the first

two matches No Naomi versus Lana was good. It

was solid longer was better than I expected But

she still has a ways to go. Oh, absolutely Yeah,

it almost feels like it was too early to Put

her in the ring, but I would have said that about

Alexa originally and I would have been completely

wrong. So I Mean like Lana has always been the

eye candy the the She's always been the the escort

not literally but you know the ring Yeah, yeah,

she's always been that you know secondary person

to Rousseff or whatever and now that they're

actually putting her in we're seeing what she

can do and you know she still does the razzle

dazzle of showing off her body and smiling and

the blow kiss and all this and all that and everything

else and I was really really wondering what the

hell kind of ring attire she was gonna wear under

that dress because we saw she was in the boots

but you know you never know so I think Naomi

versus Lana is probably, I don't want to say

the best match on this card, but out of the two

women matches, it's the better of the two, obviously.

Maria returns without Santino. Yeah, well, I

mean Santino's not yeah I know he's not I know

he's not but I'm just saying that's who I remember

her being You know years and years and years

ago. We also got the fashion files So as much

as I love the fashion files it bugs me when there's

a match that wasn't even booked the card like

it just screams that hey we couldn't be bothered

to prepare anything here's a match we're just

throwing together and that's exactly what happened

I mean they had a super short match with the

Ascension where they basically crushed them in

record time but that was after the next match

which was the Orton Mahal match which I mean

it felt like it almost followed the exact same

Same script as their previous match, you know,

yeah pretty much the Singh the Singh brothers

get involved Orton has to beat them up and Jinder

sneaks in hits his finisher. Yep The only difference

here is that you know, the Singh brothers went

over to the legends Bob Orton and yeah and all

that and uh... i think honestly that was the

best part of the matches actually seen randy's

dad and and rick flair and sergeant slobber but

that's don't get me wrong i i like randy as an

athlete and and and his wrestling stuff and all

of that but as far as the overall match well

yeah i mean i thought this was okay and i think

They're both good pretty solid workers. I think

genders improved a ton but again like for whatever

reason I don't look at him and see champion and

think This guy is special, you know, and you

know, maybe it's just a matter of time but I

don't know like it still feels like they maybe

shouldn't have put the belt on them when he they

did but I mean I also don't know how much money

they're making so I mean yeah yeah it's it's

a little crazy and to finish it off we had the

men's money in the bank ladder match with Corbin

and who else all right so this one we had AJ

Dolph Ziegler, Sami Zayn, Baron Corbin who won,

Shinsuke Nakamura and Kevin Owens. So yeah, they

had Corbin jump Nakamura and pummel him so bad

he had to go to the back. There was a ton of

really good spots in this. There was a couple

times it really felt like Zayn or AJ had a good

shot at winning this. They didn't Ziegler and

Owens really didn't feel like They had many chances

to win. Also poor Owens. Good Lord Like I don't

know what it is with him and ladder matches He

joked about it on a podcast once that it it seems

like he takes the absolute worst Shots anytime.

There's a ladder match or anytime anyone sets

anything up. He's the one that goes through it

That's pretty much what happened to him in this

one. Yeah He got he got tossed around like a

rag doll with these ladders. Yeah, and again,

like I'm really impressed with his Athleticism

and his toughness. I mean he didn't get hurt

either but he made everything look really good

I'm just always I'm always impressed with his

work styles is the same I thought they did a

good job of making Nakamura look good in a limited

amount of time. Yeah. And I'm not the biggest

Corbin fan, but he's improved a lot. And I mean,

the whole point of the money in the bank stuff

is that it gives somebody a chance to shine who

maybe wouldn't get it before. You know, the great

example of that, of course, is Edge. Who was

kind of you know middle of the pack? Mid Carter

and then he was the first one to cash it in when

he cashed it in when Cena had been You know beat

up by the big show and like all these other,

you know, Cena was in really rough shape and

It was smart and that that you know, he became

the opportunist character that we all No, and

it really helped his career take off. So I don't

know. Hopefully that's what happens with Corbin.

Maybe he'll find his niche with this Yeah out

of the five guys that were in here AJ and Owens

They're always going to end up getting shots

at a title Because of who they are and how they

are in and out of the ring You know their characters

and all that like these guys did light like you

said This is a time for someone to shine. It

would have been kind of cool if Shinsuke got

it, but I don't think WWE is really ready to

let Shinsuke No longer leash. I think it's too

soon because He just got here Look how long it

took them to build a hit up his debut like he's

we kept getting these smackdown teasers and whatever

else and then we got his debut and He's been

wrestling on the shows and things like that.

He's been wrestling on the pay -per -views But

it's like you said with this pay -per -views

specifically very limited capacity because he

got jumped in the front and Then came back down

later, which you know That's fine. I don't have

a problem with that But I think they're biding

their time with him. I don't know. I want to

say biding their time and not building him up

because I don't know currently who he could actually

have a feud with that would be a good feud for

either person. But that's one of the problems.

And another one of the problems with WWE is it

feels like the Yeah, it feels like all the 50

-50 booking is Really hurting things because

I try to find feuds for guys and I go well, they'll

never do that or They'll just split wins and

that kind of thing like Joe is a great example

They've built him up all of a sudden to challenge

Brock But it would have worked a little better

if they had had him beat Seth in the pay -per

-view before these Yeah If they had had him if

they'd prepared far enough in advance and had

him You know beat Rollins it feels like that

would have been a good Would have been a good

start to some all of this but just Another I

don't know. It feels like another missed opportunity

and it's easy for me to sit here and Armchair

quarterback after the fact. Oh This is what they

should have done. I said before I don't see the

money like I have no idea You know, maybe they're

making a ton of money the way it is now But I

do see the ratings. So Yeah So yeah, that's extreme

rules and money in the bank coming up next time

on the podcast we've got the Undertaker spotlight

that we'll be doing in episode 25. Yay. And then

after that it'll be Great Balls of Fire in the

Battleground. Stupid name for a pay -per -view.

Yep. Absolutely it is. They should have stuck

with Bad Blood. Or anything. Bring back, um...

Not Elimination Chamber, geez. Bring back War

Games. Yeah. That'd be cool. Yeah, I'm not even

sure what What? That's a meeting. I'd love to

be in on the WWE creative and Vince and everybody,

you know going through the year and listing off

what I mean SummerSlam is obvious Survivor Series

WrestleMania, obviously those are obvious No

mercy has been around for a while TLC has been

around for a while. I'm hoping TLC is more extreme

than extreme rules was yeah, I mean Cuz extreme

rules was as I said throughout this whole podcast

very on extreme So Mike Dodd will be back with

us on on the undertaker episode and and we'll

go from there us Money in the bank it was better

than extreme rules i'll give it a three out of

five wow i'm gonna go the other way uh i'd give

this a 1 .5 and i feel i hate giving low ratings

because i mean you watch these all of these people

are insanely talented and everybody's trying

their best yeah uh but alternatively i mean shitty

writing is out of their control and i'm sure

the writers are trying their best too But much

like with every single Michael Bay transformers

movie apparently their best is not good enough

right now Yeah, I mean Outside like outside of

the women's ladder match and all the controversy

surrounding that if I took that away That's the

only reason why it gets a three out of five for

me because it was it was middle ground Besides

that controversy the whole the rest of it was

pretty much middle ground whereas extreme rules

like we've already said The stipulations were

just stupid. They were stupulations. I mean made

no sense whatsoever to the actual pay -per -view

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