Bad Boys Franchise Review

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It was brilliant It was foolproof semi -detectives

Marcus Burnett and Mike Lowry. Buenos dias, mi

amor. It was the ultimate nightmare. This was

our career bust, which is what, $100 million?

Just do what you do, only faster. Let's try to

do this right. No gunshots, no dead bodies. Well,

you know, if I recall correctly, the last couple

dead bad guys belong to you. Please, you ain't

even trying to compare body counts. Why? How

should I keep going all day? I'm out, I'm out.

Now, this case. We got 72 hours before the FBI

and the DEA walk in here and shut us down. You

know, you drive almost slow enough to drive Miss

Daisy. This murder. And this witness You ain't

with the bad guys, man. You're with the cops.

This is your getaway car? What is this, a family

station wagon? My God, you got a baby seat in

the back. are going to put them Look at you.

Look at you. Can you stay focused? What are you

talking about? I'm focused. Yeah. Focused on

all this scattered ass around here. to the ultimate

test. We were wondering if we can borrow some

brown sugar? You see, you did something wrong

with you. What's up? This April, the law will

be served. Justice will be done. You forgot your

boarding pass. Oh, shit. And boys will be boys.

Bad boys. What you gonna do? Bad boys. Hello

and welcome to MWIRE Movie Weekend Review brought

to you by the GeekCaster Radio Network. I am

one of your hosts, Steve John Mike, and joining

me is movie revolt Dan. Hello. Hello. Today we

are going to be continuing the 90s flashback

in episode 95. We're gonna be talking about the

Bad Boys franchise. Oh boy. I honestly don't

remember if I saw the first film in theaters.

I know I didn't see the second one in theaters.

Actually, I knew we didn't see the first one

in theaters either actually saw the first the

second one before I saw the first one It's strangely

enough. I did see bad boys to in theaters, but

actually after that is when I went back to rewatch

the first one I Remember the first one like I

said, I don't remember if I saw it in the theater

or not, but I remember once it hit video VHS.

I don't think in 95 we had DVDs yet, but once

it hit media I remember watching the hell out

of that movie because I remember the ad campaign

so vividly. They showed two shots in most of

the trailers and teasers. It's the shot of them,

of the camera coming up from like their down

vantage point and it pans up and it's the two,

it's Marcus and Mike turning their heads, you

know? You know what the shot I'm talking about?

Yeah, Michael Bay loves that shot. Yeah, it's

that shot. It was that shot in the trailers and

the teasers and the shot of Mike, of Will Smith

running with his shirt all the way open. It's

like that slow motion shot. I remember it was

just one of those things that I remember that

stuff so vividly. The quotes in this movie, both

of these movies. The first one the quotes in

that movie. Oh my god. It's just some funny stuff

Yeah, I can't believe I'm actually going to be

praising Michael Bay in this episode considering

what he's done after these movies Yeah, I remember

you talked about the ad campaign when this first

came out. I I was at the time Kind of embarrassing,

but I was a huge fan of Fresh Prince Bella Bel

Air. So it was too so it's not embarrassing every

that was the That was the show. Yeah. And so

I remember seeing Will Smith and he's, wow, he's

trying to be an action star. It was kind of odd

because he never we now you look at that and

it's like, of course, but back then he was just

this comedian on on the sitcom and Martin Lawrence,

the same thing. But I think you can kind of see

as we do both episodes is how the careers of

those two have kind of shifted. When it started

out, I think they're both. nearly equal playing

fields, but as the years have gone on, you see

Will Smith has had like this amazing career while

Martin Lawrence has had, you know, not as stellar

as a career, but anyways. He's had a career,

but see his career went in a weird way. Normally

when you have a comedian, any comedian, doesn't

have to be Will Smith, Martin Lawrence, any comedian,

whether they're white, black, purple, alien,

whatever, when you have a regular comedian, someone

like Jim Carrey, someone like Will Smith, someone

that starts out in comedy and then Somehow takes

a serious turn or has a has a serious action

role kind of turn like will did Where will has

gone on to do both comedy like cheesy comedy

type stuff and also very serious roles Martin

he He went that way, but he didn't he he started

in comedy bad boys Both films were more action

than he'd probably ever seen before And since

then, he's been in these action comedies more

so, because these two movies to me, yes, they

are comedies in a way, but they're mainly, it's

mainly action. Sure, there's funny lines and

stuff like that, but you take this compared to

something like National Security, which Martin

Lawrence was in, or what's the other one? Oh

God, is it The Black Knight that he was in? He

was in that. Yeah, you know. You take those two

films, compare them to these two. Those are action

comedies. These are action films with comedy

in them. And that's the way his career has turned

as he's gone more the route of, hey, I'm still

going to be funny. I'm still going to do the

funny stuff. And Will Smith has done that too.

But Will has adapted to the serious roles. Yeah,

there's, I don't know if you heard, but there's

this theory with Will Smith and his career that

he kind of planned it all out and like, How he

chose his movies and like he was very deliberate

the type of films He was in to try to be the

most successful movie star ever Like he had the

franchise sci -fi film then he went to the more

dramatic roles like he everything was kind of

this mathematical equation and trying to figure

out what roles he would go into because you know,

he's done things like play Muhammad Ali to playing

Other dramatic mean he's been nominated for an

Oscar Well, if you look at Martin Lawrence, like

you said, he doesn't he's not that dynamic as

an actor like he has to rely Far more on the

comedy than Will Smith does like there hasn't

really been a performance in his career where

he's really done anything dramatic he's kind

of been limited to things like, you know, Big

Mama's house and Blue streak he was in death

and her funeral and stuff like that. But uh,

but them together works really well I mean even

if you look at this first film And I know we're

not getting into it just yet because JT has to

give us just the facts, but even if you look

at this first film and look at the characters

of Marcus, Burnett, and Mike Lowry, Marcus is

more the hands -on physical comedy type where

Mike is more so he'll say something funny and

it'll make you laugh. He doesn't have to do physical

comedy and that's kind of like the way that I

see both of them. The actual actors in real life

whereas Martin Lawrence has to rely on the physical

comedy or the You know the really really in -your

-face type of comedy and Will Smith while he

does do that well is also he also just can you

know You know kind of like the line in the beginning

of the movie when they knock on the door the

niggas a hair Yeah No, no, I think that was in

the second the first film was like We're cops.

We're Negro. Don't worry. We'll say whatever

it was when they knocked on the on the door of

the house in the first movie you know, he has

that way of him of just Being funny without being

physically funny. Yeah, he's more quippy for

sure. He's his more sly and charming wall like

Martin Lawrence, it's more like he gets a lot

of his comedy from degrading himself in a way,

like he's a guy getting shot in the ass. He's

a guy that's kind of, his pool's exploding on

him. He's definitely the person that they kind

of crap on as much as possible. That's where

he gets a lot of his comedic moments. He has

other moments as well, but that seems to be the

blunt of them. Alright, so let's head over to

JT for just the facts. This will be a double

feature MYR episode. We're going to talk about

both films. So let's head over to JT for just

the facts on Bad Boys 1. Bachelor. While examining

the scene of the crime with her commander, Captain

Howard, they are confronted by Captain Sinclair

of Internal Affairs. She tells Howard and the

two detectives that there was no way the robbery

could have occurred unless they had inside help,

and that they only have a couple of days to recover

the drugs before the entire narcotics division

is shut down. Mike's first move is to talk to

Max, a former girlfriend who works as an escort,

asking her to be on the lookout for anyone who

is newly rich and spending a lot of cash. Unfortunately,

Max and her roommate Julie go out on a date that

evening, having been hired by Eddie Dominguez,

a former member of the Miami PD. Upon arriving

at his hotel room, the girls see one of the bricks

of cocaine laid out on the table, making Eddie

one of the men who robbed the impound. Eddie's

buzz is killed when Fochay, the ringleader of

the robbery, and the rest of the men burst into

the room. Eddie stammers out an apology to Fochay,

who quiets him and introduces himself to Max,

before shooting them both dead. Julie, who had

left to use the washroom, witnesses the whole

thing and runs when she is discovered just barely

being able to escape by jumping off the roof

of the hotel into a pool. Mike and Marcus are

called in to investigate the shooting, identifying

Eddie and discovering Max's body. While Mike

deals with Max's death, Marcus is working with

Captain Howard when Julie calls in about the

shooting, saying she is going to run unless she

talks to Mike. Howard has Marcus pretend to be

Mike in order to get her to come in. Mike and

Marcus are then forced to switch lives. Marcus

tells his wife and kids he's going out of town

on a case, and Mike's going to stay with them

to look after things while he's gone, while Marcus

is really moving into Mike's posh apartment to

keep up. facade. The rushed nature of this undercover

work naturally leads to some confusion between

Julie and Marcus. Yeah, these pictures up here

for every time he saved my life and it's the

same thing with him You go to his place ain't

nothing but pictures of me Mike library because

it's like a shrine. It's just a just a reminder

Oh, yeah, cuz I mean when I saw it, you know,

it's like the whole wall I thought maybe there

you know pictures of your lover of whom I thought

that you know, I thought it maybe you're gay

After securing Julie in the apartment, the guys

consult with Jojo, a former drug chemist slash

informant about the drugs seen in Miami, but

Jojo has nothing to offer them. Mike and Marcus

then take Julie to look at some mug shots to

see if she remembers any of the thugs from the

hotel. She recognizes one of Max's killers, whose

record says he hangs out at a local club called

Club Hell. Mike and Marcus take Julie back to

the apartment and then head for the club. Once

there, they search for the man Julie identified,

when Julie shows up looking for revenge for Max.

All hell breaks loose when she attempts to assassinate

Fauche and his men retaliate. Marcus, Mike and

Julie escape the club in a stolen cargo van containing

barrels of ether as Fauche's men chase them.

Mike tosses one of the barrels out the back and

shoots it, causing it to explode and take out

their pursuers. Unfortunately, the whole ordeal

is caught on tape by a news chopper. The next

day, Mike and Marcus interrogate one of Fauche's

men that was caught spying on Marcus' family.

Through him, they learn Fauche is setting up

to sell the stolen drugs. Knowing the villain

will need an experienced chemist to properly

cut the drugs, our heroes go back and play good

cop and worst cop with Jojo, who gives them a

name. The boys and Julie's then stake out the

chemist's home and follow him to Fauche's storehouse.

However, Fouche sees them and follows them back

to Mike's apartment, where Teresa, Marcus' wife,

ambushes them after seeing her husband on the

news. Busting in on Marcus and Julie, the whole

story comes undone. Teresa storms out, and Julie

bolts, only to be captured by Fouche and his

men. After a brief but intense chase -slash -gunfight,

Julie is taken by the drug dealers. To make matters

worse, Fouche calls to warn them off before internal

affairs shuts down the whole narcotics division.

Captain Howard does what any sane cops in a 1990s

action movie would do, and ignores the order,

telling Mike and Marcus to find and rescue Julie

and take Fauché down, whatever it takes. Mike

gets a hacker named Fletcher to unseal the deceased

cop Eddie's file to find a connection to Fauché,

discovering that the division's secretary Francine

was his girlfriend. She had been informing on

the cops because Frosch had threatened her life.

She gives them a cell number from one of the

robbery crew and they trace it to an old airfield,

where Frosch is completing a drug deal with a

wealthy South American drug dealer. Mike and

Marcus and two other narcotics cops bust up the

deal, resulting in Julie's rescue, violent gun

death from most of the bad guys, explosions,

and one badass line from Marcus himself. Foshay

tries to escape in the dead drug dealer's Shelby

Cobra with Mike leaping onto the back at the

last moment. Mike tries to take out Foshay but

the sinister cook shoots Mike in his bulletproof

vest causing him to fall off. Marcus and Julie

who escape the firefight to get Mike's Porsche

911. arrive and scoop Mike up. Marcus tears off

after Foschay, chasing him down a runway towards

a dividing wall. With only a gap wide enough

for one car, it becomes a desperate race to survive.

At the last moment, Marcus nudges Foschay's car,

sending it hurtling into the wall, allowing our

arrows to pass through unharmed. Foschay attempts

to flee, but Mike shoots him in the leg, disabling

him. Mike draws his weapon, preparing to shoot

Fauche for what he did to Max, but Marcus calls

him off. The two triumphant cops stand over the

fallen Fauche when he pulls a hidden gun. Mike

sees the glare from the gun on Marcus' face quickly

turning, pulling his gun, and ending Fauche.

The rest of the cops finally arrive, and the

film ends with Marcus and Mike reaffirming their

friendship before Marcus handcuffs Mike to Julie

and walking off into the sunset for a little

quality time with his wife. Directed by Michael,

make it go boom -bay, and powerhouse producers

Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson, Bad Boys opened

in the spring of 1995 on April 7th. The film

raked in $140 million during its theatrical run,

just over seven times its original budget. The

cast consisted of Will Smith and Martin Lawrence

as the titular bad boys Mike and Marcus, Taleone

as Julie, Techechi Cario as the drug dealer Fauche,

Joe Pantiliano as Captain Howard, Mark Helgenberger

as Internal Affairs Captain Sinclair, and the

Sopranos Michael Imperioli as Jojo the Informant.

While commercially successful, Bad Boys received

mixed reviews from critics. Siskel and Ebert

both were not fans of the film. Ebert gave the

film only two of four stars. Ebert said that

despite the energy of the two leads and the visual

style of Michael Bay's directing, the film seemed

to be recycled out of bits from other movies

like Lethal Weapon or Beverly Hills Cop. Gene

Siskel also had no great love for the film, saying

that the talents of Smith and Lawrence were wasted

on a script that producers didn't seem to have

spent enough time on. Reviews from modern critics

are not so dissimilar from the great Siskel and

Ebert. While a few held the movie up as entertaining

and enjoyable, most critics found the characters

uninspiring, the script weak, and just to be

full of standard action movie fare. Now we all

know Michael Bay is the man who made, and some

people could argue unmade, the Transformers films,

but you may be interested to know that he got

his start with this film. In fact, it was Bay's

previous work on music videos that caught the

eye of Jerry Bruckheimer and Don Simpson, who

then chose him to direct the film. And during

shooting, Bay became so unhappy with some of

the dialogue between Mike and Marcus that he

encouraged Will Smith and Martin Lawrence to

improvise while the cameras were rolling. The

character of Mike Lowry was originally offered

to a serial haul, but was then offered to Will

Smith after Michael Bay caught an episode of

Fresh Prince while preparing to shoot the film.

Not only that, but the film was originally going

to be called Bulletproof Hearts and was going

to star... Dana Curvey and John Lovitz. Wow.

Don't think that would have worked, boys. Needless

to say, I freaking love this movie, and that's

because of its stars. Will Smith and Martin Lawrence

have great on -screen chemistry together, and

that's what made the movie for me. Oh sure, I

was there for the explosions and the action scenes,

but it was the odd couple relationship between

the carefree Mike and the uptight Marcus that

really stood out for me. The film also introduced

me to the checky Karyo, who has since become

one of my favorite character actors. He can make

any movie all that much more awesome just because

he's in it. Except for Wing Commander. Nothing

could save that movie. This has been just the

facts for bad boys. I'm JT from Saskatoon and

I'll be back soon But until then I'm sending

it back to the rest of the gang on M wire So

thank you JT for those very interesting just

the facts and yeah going back and watching this

I Still can't believe this is a Michael Bay movie.

I always knew it was but it was one of those

things where I'm so used to giant transforming

sticks Because let's face it. It's all done in

digital now You know, I'm so used to what he's

doing now versus what he did Over ten years ago.

Yeah, I think well one of the big factors is

that you know, this is a limited budget This

is his first feature film He was not an established

director and you'll see a major difference between

bad boys one and bad boys two but I think that's

a big factor in like Michael Bay even said like

he it was difficult because they had a limited

budget At this point. He's really only done commercials.

He's really only done Music videos and you kind

of see a lot of that in this movie like and there

are Moments that kind of remind me that this

is a Michael Bay movie. It's there. They're not

as frequent There it's definitely smaller compared

to his other films like the more success. He's

gone. It's almost in a way ruined him Because

he's kind of relied too much on like the special

effects like you like you mentioned but in this

I think Because of that limited budget and the

fact that he could not just go crazy with the

action you have to allow his two leads Martin

Lawrence and Will Smith take over and that was

a smart move because they're very charismatic

they work well with one another and I think that

When you have characters at the center of an

action film that's when it succeeds. Any bit

buddy cop movie, the greatest buddy cop films

is because those characters are ones you can

identify with, and those are ones that you enjoy

watching on screen. Oh yeah, most definitely.

I completely agree. But even though this may

have been a low budget film for Michael Bay standards,

because it was his first film as you said, it

still had a hell of a lot of action. It still

had a hell of a lot of explosions. Yes, I mean,

They're called bad boys a little budget movie.

Obviously it's kind of crazy but compared to

Michael Bay. Yeah, this is his small right? Yeah

All right, so the cast here for the first film

we kind of talked about them a little bit Beforehand

with Martin Lawrence and Will Smith Martin Lawrence,

let's let's start with him here He has done He

actually started on television in from 87 to

88 in what's happening now He was in kid and

play on TV he was in deaf comedy jam of course

most people on TV will Remember him from his

series Martin 1992 to 97 And for films before

this House party to people might remember He

does small role very very small. Yeah, you're

the right thing Which is yeah It's kind of a

blink and you miss a type of role, but yeah boomerang

was the other one that That he did right just

killing just before bad boys. I would say that

bad boys is what launched him after that it's

a string of stuff we would we would have seen

at some point thin line between love and hate

nothing to lose life blue streak and of course

you said earlier Big Mama's house and all that

stuff Black Knight of course he comes back for

bad boys too they've really with him oh my god

he was in wild hogs i didn't i didn't realize

that with him they've kind of like run this whole

big mama's thing into the ground those films

to me are like any tyler perry movie that's a

that's with medea It just there's so many. I

mean, I know there's only three Big Mama's movies,

but there's like it's like Big Mama Big Mama,

but it's like right Not really right in a row.

But like that's mainly the ones that are popping

out to me on his filmography Yeah, they're almost

that was they kind of started not long after

Eddie Murphy with hit a big with the nonny professor

and him dressing up as a woman and all that and

then kind of seems like after that started this

barrage of all these films with guys dressing

up as big fat ladies, and then you had the biggest

mama house, and then we have three big mama house

movies. It's crazy that that happened, but it

has. I think there's been, he's been well documented

for having some more personal issues. He's actually

had some pretty good stand -up specials within

that time. I think he's still done stand -up

while Will Smith never did, but I think that

besides just having a movie career, he did continue

working on then. end of his career and it looks

like maybe he could have a small comeback because

it's possible that there'll be another bad voice

movie in development and yeah we will uh we'll

talk about that at the end but yeah what i find

funny is though is that from 2011 to 2015 he

according to wikipedia and again it's wikipedia

i know people whatever but according to their

information big mama's house three was his last

film between 2011 and potentially Bad Boys 3

in 2015. You seriously tell me he did nothing

last year and he's not going to do anything this

year or next year? I highly doubt that. They'll

have a Big Mama's House 4 or 5 or whatever. Maybe

they'll have a crossover movie with Tyler Perry's

media. Oh my god, that would be so hilarious.

They can throw in, you know, the mom from Nutty

Professor. It'll be like the Avengers of the

old... Hercules! Hercules! Oh my god, yes. MedTv

actually did a really great skit like that where

it was all like it kind of it was that idea.

It was a long time ago, but that's what kind

of pumped my head. Going on to Will Smith, as

far as television, holy crap. Saturday morning

videos ABC after -school special of course Fresh

Prince from 90 to 96 He was an episode of blossom

as himself He was in an episode of Martin as

himself Happily ever after all of us, which I

believe is a city. Yeah, he's created that series

with his wife He was honest. He's had a cameo

appearance on American Chopper. Oh my god As

far as films his first actual film was where

the day takes you Made in America 60 degrees

of separation and then bad boys is really what

launched him bad boys Independence Day men in

black. Oh my god three years and three action

movies. Holy crap Yeah, well actually four or

five because then you got enemy of the state

and wild wild west and and then he goes to Play

golf as the legend of Bagger Vance. Yeah, he

had a run there really Every movie he was in

was a hundred million dollar film. He was one

of the biggest, he still is, but there was a

Will Smith summer movie, you knew it was going

to be one of the biggest movies of the year.

And even something like Men in Black, which was

not at the time, it just looked like this small

movie wasn't really all that hyped up, it became

huge. And then we got two other sequels. So yeah,

he's one of the few movie stars today that can

still draw an audience. Well, that's because

he diversifies himself. Okay, you look at those

ones I just mentioned Bad Boys, Independence

Day, Men in Black, Enemy of the State, and Wild

Wild West Even Legend of Bag of Rans. Those are

all very different films granted Wild Wild West,

Enemy of the State and Bad Boys and Independence

Day are kind of like the same type of role But

in 2001 he played Muhammad Ali in Ali. That was

a complete departure than any of the previous

films he'd done Of course in 02 he comes back

with Men in Black 2 and 03, Bad Boys 2. He had

a cameo appearance in Jersey Girl. I don't know

what, anyway. And also in 2004 he was in one

of my favorite, I really love this movie, I,

Robot, I love that movie, that was so awesome.

Then he was in Shark Tale, I don't like that

movie. Hitch the pursuit of happiness was one

that really got him. I mean He got nominated

for a bunch of stuff for that movie or that will

that will that movie got nominated for a bunch

of stuff? But I'm sure he also got nominated

for a bunch of stuff in that film Yeah, that's

where he got his second Oscar nomination the

first for being for Ali the second for pursuit

of happiness Mm -hmm And of course, I am legend

Hancock seven pounds men in black three and later

this year he's got After Earth and Winter's Tale

so he's been you know slowly you know you know

you know we've looked at a lot of these filmographies

from episode 94 to you know back and when we

started with Pretty Woman in episode 90 and you

know it's been interesting but I mean his looks

like Blockbuster resume because it is Yeah, and

he's also been getting into producing. I mean

he is his son and daughter's career. I mean their

musical career after earth He's a big producer

on that. He was in a producer on the remake of

the karate kid So it seems like he's also diversifying

himself beyond just being an actor Yeah, I mean

he's he's not because he he started out as a

rapper with with DJ jazzy and and all that and

of course he went to Fresh Prince and then this

acting career and of course as I've stated before

You know Hollywood to me is you start out as

either a comedian or an actor or whatever television

star or whatever you then go to the next level

which for him was obviously big budget blockbusters

and now he's going you know behind the camera

producing directing whatever it is you know what

i mean same thing with you know like ben afleck

and all that same thing is where that's the evolution

of hollywood you start out on screen and by the

time you're 40 50 60 you're behind the camera

doing all the other stuff all right so next up

we have uh agent molder's wife oh i mean uh taili

honey And apparently, as of two years ago, on

June 29th, De Coveyne and she had split again.

But for her, the only thing I had ever... Okay,

sure. Well, no, I don't think I even saw that

either. I didn't even know she was in A League

of Their Own. Didn't even it's only a bit part.

Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's one bit part She was

in wider bad boys deep impact The family man

is really where I remember from I love that movie

she was in Jurassic Park 3 People I know Hollywood

ending House of D Spanglish fun with Dick and

Jane Recently the smell of success and she was

in tower house heist two years ago But you know,

she's also on television as well. She was in

Frasier as Sheila for an episode She was on yet.

Well, obviously she was on the X -Files at some

point in 2000, but hers she doesn't she started

in 91 with switch and It seems like Maybe once

or twice every two or three years She does stuff

Yeah, she seems to be kind of one of those actresses.

They just plug in there like she's never really

been I Think she's fine, but I don't think she's

She's not yeah, she's not like a and a big name

She's kind of she's just often a bit part in

a lot of movies like she is in bad boys, too

she's not really someone you go to because you

want them to carry a film and If you're gonna

like try to define her as an actress, it's kind

of hard. She's not really a comedian She's not

really a very dramatic actress. She's just kind

of in between She's been good at certain things.

I thought she was she was decent enough in Spanglish

But overall it wasn't like she has done much

recently and she's I think she's an okay actress

Which is why she tends to be just in okay films

for the most part The guy that plays for Shay

I Until I saw bad boys. I don't remember. I don't

remember this guy from anything Apparently he's

been doing stuff since the 80s though But yeah,

I mean him I don't even even looking at his most

recent stuff I have not seen a lot of these movies

Kiss the dragon the Patriot. Okay, the Patriot.

I remember that one, but Like I don't know any

thoughts on him. Oh wait, wait, he was in Goldeneye.

Oh My god, I can't believe I didn't recognize

him. He was Michigan in Goldeneye Yeah, I honestly

he's not someone that's on my radar at all. Yeah

That's the thing. It's like, you know, you look

him up and Wow All right, so Let's move on over

to Joey Pants, Joe Pantoliano. I love him in

both these movies. The character of Captain Howard

is so awesome, but he has been in a number of

stuff that I've liked. And his career started

back in 74 with Road Movie. Holy crap. He was

in Risky Business. He was in Eddie and the Cruisers.

He was in the Goonies. A lot of people will probably

remember him from Memento and The Matrix. It's

probably his two biggest roles when people see

him. Like, I know that guy from someplace. It's

most likely Memento or The Matrix. Or most people

will remember him from a couple of seasons of

The Sopranos because he was in that as well.

True. Yeah, he's a working man actor because

he... He does voice acting, he's in movies, he's

in TV. He's kind of all over the place. He appeared

in one of my favorite movies of 2003, Daredevil,

as Ben the reporter. It's kind of interesting

to see him as Captain Howard in these films and

then watching him in that film. It's very interesting.

He's an actor that has that really... Not necessarily

finesse, but he's one of those ones that he just

does something that just it's just so awesome

that you just can't help but like him He's good

at playing the likable ass kind of in a way,

you know, so you can ignore become very annoying

But he knows what levels to push it To the point

where he doesn't get completely annoying He comes

very close and some of these movies and we'll

get to that. But yeah, he's I do enjoy him quite

a bit he He's a perfect character actor, and

he comes in, he does what he needs to do, and

he can do a lot of different things. His television

credits, amazing. MASH, Hardcastle and McCormick,

Hill Street Blues, Trapper John MD, Simon and

Simon, LA Law, NYPD Blue, you know, like I said

before, The Sopranos. He was Dante a voice on

the Simpsons He's just a really really great

actor As far as the rest of the cast in the first

film the only other three or four that I recognize

Teresa Randall, I love her. She's a great actress

of course John Sally Mr. Basketball himself you

got a see I CSI cross over here with Mark Hilgenberger

and Again with the Sopranos Michael and perioli

plays Jojo Overall this movie has a knockout

cast Yeah, I mean, I think it it its main three

are definitely Martin Lawrence Will Smith and

joyous, you know the rest I mean to Leonia wouldn't

put this as a All -star cast I think there's

a lot of decent character actors But I think

that most of the weight of this cast go to the

big leads. Oh Yeah, yeah, I agree As far as the

film itself like JT said it's basically They

got to figure out how their their own drug bust

got stolen from them and This movie is just so

It's it's so action -packed even for the small

budget that it has but it's almost like you don't

even Really see the story until it kind of unfolds

at the end. I did feel kind of uncomfortable

with the whole swapping with Mike and Marcus

having to swap lives at first Yeah, especially

when they're around Julie and I thought that

was weird. I think JT mentions in just the facts

like this the script for this actually started

out as a project for Dana Carvey and John Lovitz

and they kind of it morphed over time into this

movie and I have a feeling like that that switch

of like them trying to play each other was a

big part of that original script because it does

feel like a more comedic type of situation almost

like a basic sitcom in a way and I do think That

to me is probably the biggest downfall of the

film because it's not really necessary. It doesn't

really do much It doesn't lead to a lot of great

comedy and it really drags the second the second

act and like it just kind of waiting for it to

kind of Resolve itself and when it finally does

the film starts to pick up But I think if you're

gonna edit this down this movie's almost two

hours You can almost take off the middle 30 minutes

or so and you would have a much tighter film

But yeah, I agree that that That's probably my

biggest downfall of the film. Yeah, and plus

they basically give it away halfway forward because

the two kids are watching TV and see the news

broadcast and boom, Teresa finds out and she's

on a rampage and then Julie just kind of finds

out by... process of elimination almost When

you boil it down to it like you flip like I normally

say, you know Oh, this is just a drug plot or

oh, this is just a guy who's gonna do a drug

deal Yes, it is that but it's also a movie about

Mike and Marcus's friendship and how different

their two styles are But yet they work so well

together because they can anticipate each other's

thoughts or movements or Like what they're thinking

So I liked it. I thought it was great It's a

movie that I can watch often When we get to the

sequel that's a movie that I've seen often enough

that I pretty much haven't memorized front to

back, but What would you rank this one one to

four If I was going to rank it I would probably

what two is what watch on TV and three is on

your netflix q yeah i would i probably put it

in like around a 2 .5 or a three most mostly

2 .5 just because it i well the the biggest draw

to me are the two main Cast I don't think it

really brings a lot to the table that's new and

different regarding the action For the most part

and like I mentioned that big middle chunk is

it really drags it down There's some good comedic

moments the action is it's well enough It's Michael

Bay really kind of cutting his teeth for the

first time and you see a lot of what he's able

to do Kind of show its show itself for the But

I think just that final I was really become that

At the end the final climax I was kind of kind

of lost interest almost because I was just kind

of ready for it to get there but it's fun enough

and I think like you mentioned is a movie you

can rewatch a lot because there are all these

little side jokes that you can miss on a first

-time watch and there I do love the fact that

you can tell there's a lot of ad -libbing going

on between Martin Lawrence and Will Smith I think

because when you there are some rather Horrible

jokes with the script and even Michael Bay said

he was not a big fan of the script But when they're

on and that he's letting them do what they do

best. That's when the movie really shines I think

JT even said in just the facts that Michael Bay

told them to Improv when when they felt it was

necessary. Yeah, that's And they and they just

shot them, you know improving, you know, you

know actors like Will Smith and Martin Lawrence

in in these specific roles of Mike and Marcus

the the improv will just come and and we will

see that in the second film for me I give it

a solid three I Think both just got added to

Netflix about three or four months ago because

before that the only place I had had them was

I had bought them on iTunes a couple of years

ago so I do own them but like for everybody else

a solid 3 is a good rating I think for this one

so I think we are going to get into bad boys

2 and Here is JT with the plot synopsis. However,

it's not long before Mike and Marcus reveal themselves

to the races, while singing their theme song.

A gun battle soon erupts in the docks, and Mike

and Marcus do battle with the clan while the

rest of the team charges in. In the midst of

all the flying lead, Mike saves his partner from

a shotgun -wielding Clansman John Woo style,

but not without some consequences. I mean, but

I ain't saying I shot you in the ass. I mean,

I ain't saying I didn't shoot you. But damn!

Somebody shot you in the ass! Tell me about it.

I think it's cool, man. It hit the meat. It ain't

nowhere near the hole. Unfortunately, the info

provided by Mike's informant was incorrect, as

the TNT team recovers only two bags of ecstasy

tabs, not the largest drug shipment ever. Mike

assures the TNT captain that he'll talk to his

informant and get the real info before accompanying

Marcus to the hospital via chopper. And it turns

out that the mule they were following works for

a local drug lord named Johnny Tapia, who gets

the bad news about the bus and orders his men

to mix up the drug shipment schedules in order

to keep the cops guessing. The next day, Mike

crashes Marcus' family barbecue, and we meet

Marcus' sister, Sid. And once they're alone,

Mike and Sid kiss, and we find out that they've

been dating behind Marcus' back, mainly because

Mike thinks Marcus wouldn't be able to handle

it. It also turns out that Marcus intends to

transfer to another division away from Mike,

but is waiting to tell him at the right time.

After Sid tries to get Mike to confess during

the meal, the two detectives are called in to

get shoot out by Captain Howard about the unsuccessful

bus the night before. Mike assures the captain

that his informant Icepick will deliver the goods

the next time he calls. Indeed, Icepick soon

calls shortly after, directing the bad boys to

a Haitian gang, led by a man known as Blondie

Dredd. The Haitians have gotten word of a handoff

of Tapia's drug money that they intend to steal.

In the meantime, it appears the DEA are trailing

Tapia's money as well, and that they are staking

out an illegal Russian nightclub and watch as

the owner, Alexei, meets with his new money launderer,

Sid. It turns out that Sid is undercover DEA,

and after selling herself as the Russians' new

laundry service, Sid heads for a handoff with

one of Tapia's men, watched over by her DEA team.

However, while waiting for the contact, Blondie

Dredd's crew ambushes her and kills her partner.

Sid manages to kill her assailants and escape

in the SUV, followed by the Haitians. Mike and

Marcus, having tailed the Haitians to the meet,

take off after them as well in Mike's Ferrari

when they see the Haitians are chasing Sid. Sid

leads the Haitians, Mike and Marcus, and the

rest of the Miami PED on a wild car chase through

the city and onto the MacArthur Causeway causing

massive amounts of property and vehicular damage.

And after nearly totaling every other car on

the road, the Haitians lose sight of Sid and

escape to steal another day. Mike and Marcus

catch up to Sid who confesses the truth to them.

Marcus is very upset by Sid's actions and walks

away while Mike comforts her as she has never

killed anyone in the line of duty and she's having

a hard time with it. Mike and Marcus head back

to the precinct where they are chewed out again

by Captain Howard for causing so much damage.

They manage to get him to allow them to stay

on the case and they go to question Icepick.

After nearly demolishing his small shop, Icepick

tells them how to track down the Haitian gang

at their hideout. When Mike and Marcus enter

the abandoned house, a gun battle erupts that

leaves Blondie Dredd the sole surviving member

of the gang. The boys learn that Blondie learned

of the drop off because one of the former gang

members followed and filmed Tapia's met with

his camcorder. Mike and Marcus go to a local

electronics store where they watch the video,

seeing that the drug runners operate out of a

funeral home owned by Johnny Tapia, who apparently

has been pursued by the Miami PD before but with

no convictions. Mike has the hacker Fletcher

from the first film set up a phone tap where

they hear the call for an exterminator so Mike

and Marcus disguise themselves as exterminators

in order to gain entry to the drug lord's home

and plant some bugs. At the same time Johnny

is entertaining club owner Alexi and his lieutenant

which quickly turns into a bloody coup as the

lieutenant is killed in the kitchen and Johnny

forces Alexi to turn over his nightclubs to him

or he'll be killed as well. Mike finds the grizzly

scene in the kitchen while snooping, and is soon

discovered by one of Johnny's men. Mike knocks

him out, and the boys just barely escape with

their lives and head back to the precinct. Mike

has a severed finger he found analyzed, which

traces back to the dead lieutenant, which leads

to Alexi, which in turn leads Mike and Marcus

to realizing Johnny is making a push to take

over the X -Trait in the city. Mike also has

Fletcher reconstruct a shredded photo he found

in the mansion. The picture is of a boat called

the Dixie 7, which leads them to Floyd, one of

the KKK guys from the beginning of the film.

Mike and Marcus decide to follow the drugs from

the boat and see if they lead to the funeral

home. After springing Floyd, the boys meet with

Sid and bring her up to speed on everything.

Mike also invites Sid along to the stakeout after

she has met with Johnny and has been hired as

his new money launderer. While waiting for the

latest drug drop, Sid reveals to a petulant Marcus

that she and Mike are dating, which in turn leads

to Marcus and Mike nearly coming to blows. However,

the Dixie 7 soon picks up the fresh drugs and

the boys and Sid follow the boat to the next

drop where they're loaded onto one of Johnny's

mortuary vans. Sid stays behind and Mike and

Marcus follow the mortuary van but are discovered

and a gun battle slash car chase ensues. After

chasing the crooks into a bank and onto a train,

the boys manage to kill them all but are no closer

to busting Johnny Tapia. Marcus also reveals

to Mike during this that he intends to transfer

after they close this one final case. The next

day, Mike comes to visit Marcus after he obtains

a sneak and peek warrant for the funeral home.

That night the boys break into the funeral home

through the cremation chimney and plant spy cams

before searching the corpses in one of the preparatory

rooms. They discover cash in the coffins and

drugs stuffed inside the cadavers, during which

Marcus swallows some eggs when he has a drink

of water. Hearing the mortuary attendants coming,

Mike hides in a closet and Marcus hides under

the sheet on a gurney with a corpse, which of

course is the first body the attendants take

for embalming. Mike has their undercover partners

outside crash their ambulance into the mortuary,

allowing them to escape. Heading to Captain Howard's

home to present their evidence, Mike realizes

Marcus is high on X. Marcus' behavior becomes

increasingly erratic as Mike confers with Howard,

who finally approves a raid to take down the

drug lord. And after getting medical help from

Marcus, the bad boys and Howards put together

and execute the raid. However, Sid is meeting

with Johnny during this, who discovers her wire

and takes her hostage, just as a drunken, gun

-wielding Alexei busts into the mansion. The

Miami PD also busts into the mansion and take

down Alexei, but Miss Johnny and his compatriots

who escape to Cuba with Sid in tow. After busting

the drugs in transit, Mike and Marcus find out

what has happened to Sid, and are told by the

State Department that a diplomatic solution is

being pursued. They, however, decide to ignore

this and make a plan to rescue CID themselves

aided by the rest of the TNT team and the DEA.

After infiltrating Cuba, the crew hooks up with

the anti -Castro underground. Mike and Marcus

sneak into the mansion inside one of Tapia's

cash coffins, while the rest of the team enter

the mansion through tunnels from the safe house

across the street. The rest of the team blows

up the security station signaling the boys who

pop out of the coffins and shoot their way into

the house while the others hold off the guards.

They rescue Sid but are cut off from their escape

route and instead escape by driving through the

house into the drug lord's own Humvee with Johnny

in hot pursuit. Tapia chases the boys and Sid

through the town, up into the hills, and down

through a shanty town towards the American military

base at Guantanamo Bay. After crashing to a halt,

Johnny holds Mike at gunpoint and orders Sid

and Marcus to throw down their weapons. Sid throws

her so it hits one of the landmines laying at

the feet of Johnny's lone surviving henchmen,

killing him. This allows Marcus to do the cool

cop role and shoot Johnny dead in the head, leading

to Mike to paraphrase what he said to Marcus

in the last film. After returning to Miami, Marcus

and Mike decide to remain partners and Marcus

gives his blessing to Mike dating Sid before

they start bickering again causing the family

dog to pull the pool apart. The film ends with

the boys singing their song after getting washed

out into the river. After an eight -year hiatus,

detectives Lowry and Burnett again report for

duty in Bad Boys 2, released into theaters on

July 18, 2003. Again directed by Michael Bay,

Smith and Lawrence headlined the cast, which

also included Gabrielle Union as Sid, Jordi Mola

as drug lord Johnny Tapia, Joe Pontoliano, who

returned from the first film as Captain Howard,

Peter Stormare as Russian club owner Alexei,

and outspoken musician Henry Rollins in a small

cameo as the leader of the TNT drug team. Even

director Michael Bay scored himself a cameo as

Marcus's would -be carjack victim. The sequel

received mostly negative reviews from film critics

who mainly complained about the bloated plot,

coarse language, and the somewhat brutal action.

Roger Ebert of the Chicago Sun -Times gave the

film only one star, saying the needless cruelty

of some of the scenes and excessive use of the

n -word took him out of the film. He even went

so far as to say that this was the worst film

of 2003, even worse than the notoriously bad

Geely. Other critics weren't any more kind than

Ebert. Joe Lozito of BigPictureBigSound .com

said in his review that the film was an overblown,

underwhelming sequel to the 1995 original. Film4

.com critic Lee Sanger pretty much summed up

other critics' reviews on her own, saying Bad

Boys 2 was everything that's wrong with modern

Hollywood. Bad Boys 2 isn't simply bad, it's

one of the worst films of the year. Of all the

stunts in the film, the biggest had to be the

action scene where the bad boys assault Johnny

Tapia's mansion in the final act of the film.

The mansion itself had stood for years, partly

incomplete in downtown Miami, before its owner

advertised in Variety magazine for it to be used

in a movie and blown the hell up at the end.

Which it did, real good too. And while Bad Boys

2 was filming on one side of Cape Florida State

Park, another over the top almost incoherent

sequel was also being filmed on the other side.

That film being 2003's Too Fast Too Furious.

The film also caused no end of frustration for

Miami residents when it shut down the MacArthur

Causeway for two weeks to film the epic car chase

scene. Not only that, but Michael Bay's own Ferrari

550 Maranello was used for some of the stunt

work in the car chase down the Causeway as well.

And as I said earlier, Michael Bay had a cameo

in the film, but that wasn't the only member

of the Bay household that appeared in the movie.

Bay's pet dog Mason stood in as the Burnett family

dog, whose size actually creeped out Martin Lawrence

during filming. In addition to being the last

R -rated film Bay would direct and Brockheimer

would produce, it was also the last time the

two had worked together on a film since 2003.

As far as sequels go... That voice, too, is okay.

Don't get me wrong, people, I like this movie.

I would even say I love it, but it irks me a

lot, too. I mean, I think it stems from the script.

You got the plot on top of the subplot, on top

of the side plot. It just gets a little too confusing

sometimes. Overall, though, it's a serviceable

action movie with plenty of explosions and T

&A. I think it tries a little too hard to top

the first one, but that's just my opinion. I'm

JT from Saskatoon and this was just the facts

for Bad Boys 2. Now we're sending it back to

M -Wire. Later. Thank you once again JT for all

that awesome info and plot synopsis on Bad Boys

2. So this one came out in 03 and I find it really

funny that they are going to be doing... If and

we'll talk about this at the end here a little

bit, but I find it very interesting that if they

do bad boys 3 in 2015 That's 20 years after the

first film Yeah, that's kind of crazy you can

see and yeah, it's been that long since since

the first one came out It does make you feel

really really old That's so yeah, that's someone

born in 1994 will be able to legally drink by

the time that probably comes out. So this one

also stars Will and Martin, and they add in this

time around Gabrielle Union as Marcus's sister,

Sidney, or Sid. The first time I had seen her...

Anything is a film that we'll be talking about

at the end of the 90s flashback ten things I

hate about you if she was in that She's been

in a bunch she's choosing bring it on opposite

Princeton dunst She's had a bunch of different

roles as well she was in Let's see what else

She's just had it she she's been all over the

place I like her as an actress. I like her in

this role of Sid I think that's a really cool

role and it was something new and interesting

that they introduced into The the franchise of

these characters Have you seen her anything else

other than this No, she had a small role in the

West Wing. She was in Love and Basketball Yeah,

which is a decent little film She's been a lot

of TV Some of the shows I don't want she wasn't

think like a man, which was which actually I

thought was a lot better than I expected in good

deeds But yeah, she just is probably one of her

bigger films even even to this day I mean she

was in meet Dave, which is pretty awful, but

not because of hers. It's one of one of Eddie

Murphy's many many many failed failed films and

She was even in Saved by the Bell, the new class.

Not as a main character, but looks like she was

in it a few times as different characters, actually.

Yeah. She was in... Oh man, what was that movie?

It was a Steven Seagal. No, it wasn't. Crap.

It was a DMX movie. What the hell's the name

of that damn movie? Cradle to the Grave. She

was in that. I liked her in that. But she's just

one of those actresses that when you see her,

you know, when you see her pop up, you're like,

oh, hey, yay. Awesome. She'll make this film

good. And like I said, adding in the character

dynamic of having something come between Mike

and Marcus's friendship, especially if Mike's

going to date his sister, that was an interesting

kind of like relationship twist with Mike and

Marcus. I thought that was cool. The rest of

the cast outside of Peter Stormare Who plays

Alexei? He was the astronaut in Armageddon? He's

the Russian astronaut Remember yeah, I do I do

remember. Yeah, okay The very ordinary Russian

Russian astronaut. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I thought

that was interesting that Michael Bay brought

him back Outside of the rest of them Outside

the ones we kind of already talked about Henry

Rollins as the TNT leader is counting a guest

role Oh my god So that's where Michael Bay found

her as an uncredited appearance as a dancer in

a club So she was stripping all those years ago

before she humped giant metal robots Megan Fox

is in this movie. I don't believe that Oh, God.

Really, I didn't think she'd even be old enough

at the time. But that probably would not stop

Michael Bay. Again, you get John Sally coming

back as well as Hacker Fletcher. But no, but

I mean, even with Jordy Mala, I don't even know

how to say. Johnny Tappy is actor's name even

with him I mean they added a cool villain and

stuff but it's it's still that same old I don't

know there's there's nothing really there for

this movie this this movie is essentially the

same damn thing as the first movie even though

I like both these films it's drugs and money

this time last time it was drugs and money That's

not all cops do. Yes, I get that Mike and Marcus

are on the tactical narcotics team, and I get

that they're doing the narcotics thing and everything

else, but I'm hoping with the third one, they

do something else. They do something different.

By 2015, the technology is going to be explosive.

I don't know. in this film came after Michael

Bay had a lot of success. He had Armageddon,

he had Pearl Harbor, The Rock. Well, Pearl Harbor

wasn't a huge success, but Armageddon was a huge

blockbuster. And I think, like I mentioned earlier,

Michael Bay... It's a person that success doesn't

do well for him because what happens is he needs

someone to say no to him And I think this movie

just reeks of the fact that no one was willing

to tell him Maybe you should dial back a little

bit It's a movie like I do enjoy but it is crazy

insane at times like you have literally have

dead bodies flying all over the place getting

run over by cars and you like it's just to the

excess it is everything it's that classic taking

a sequel and just completely going over the top

with everything to try to top the original. See,

I think this did top the original though. I would

say in some ways it does because the action is

a lot better and Michael Bay is a more seasoned

director and you see his style. in this film,

say what you want about Michael Bay, but he is

in an art tour in his own right. You know when

you're watching a Michael Bay movie, he continually

keeps the camera moving. It never stops. There's

like that shootout with the Haitians and it's

just, the camera just, it's like a merry -go

-round camera back. It is, yeah. Just keeps going

around and around and around to the point you

can get dizzy. But he knows how to shoot action.

I completely give him credit. And the car chasing

this, the one with her on the highway and there's

like all the cars flying around. And he actually

put cameras on cars on stunt cars and told the

stuntmen Hit that car that's flying down the

road to get these awesome images and he does

he does do that But I think what happens is there's

just too much at times it it I mentioned in the

first film there you have that mid -plot of them

trying to play each other like you know that

that's what your root type of thing and this

one it just suffers from Like that last 30 minutes

is just too, you've already had all this great

action. I just didn't need it. Like when they

go to Cuba and there's that huge car chase with

the Hummers and everything like that. I'm like,

we've already had a lot of this. It's almost

too excess. It's like going to all you can eat

buffet and then leaving and going to another

all you can eat buffet like 20 minutes later.

It's just you got to learn proportion control.

I think that's the biggest issue here. What is

this one two hours two hour two and a half hours

something like that two and a half hours almost

yeah Okay, two and a half hours those first like

there's three big scenes in this movie There's

there's the first car chase with the cars like

you said There's the second car chase with the

dead bodies and the boat and all that and then

there's the end scene with the Hummer going down

the hill. I think they're spread out enough throughout

the movie Like, ones in the beginning, ones in

the middle, and ones at the end. For me, I think

they're spread out enough that I don't really

notice that it's so much. I like the fact that

they're actually going to invade someone's home

to arrest them. And as JT said in Just the Facts,

apparently the owner of that house said, hey,

I'm going to give it to a big movie, because

I don't want the house anymore. So they can just

blow it up. As long as it has a giant explosion,

I don't care. And I thought that was really interesting

for the time in 2003 of actually having a Hummer

drive through a house. I thought that was kind

of cool. Um, and I like the action. I think it's

great, but you're right. It just outside of the

relationship between Mike and Marcus, this movie

suffers from just too much at once. And just

like, That whole scene, that whole first scene

with the drop that the Haitians are gonna rob,

the one we're at the parking garage. I was confused

as to all hell as to who was doing what. Okay,

yes, I know Mike and Marcus are doing their thing.

But you've got the Haitians, you've got Johnny

Tappi's people, you've got the DEA, you've got

the Miami P... There was way too many... Things

going on in that scene to keep up with what was

actually going on Yeah And I think too it's it

is it is kind of kind of crazy. You have like

four different parties all at once and and trying

to figure out who's who and it's just it it's

basically what they needed to do was get these

to try to link, you know Will Smith and Martin

Lawrence with Gabrielle Union and how do they

How did their two cases kind of combine into

one? So I think that's that moment they had to

have Yeah, that's that was kind of messily done,

but it did lead to that really great car chase

But one thing that's true. Did you feel like

in this one? Like I felt in the other the first

film Martin Lawrence and Will Smith seemed like

they were on even playing field But in this I

felt like it was really Will Smith's movie and

Martin Lawrence was was not nearly as much of

a factor in it This is what I meant earlier about

the physical comedy versus just the natural suaveness.

Martin Lawrence has this whole physical outbreak

when they're in Blondie Dredd's house after the

shootout. He just has this whole thing where

he's yelling, shouting, trying to apologize,

and the whole time he's using his entire body

to express himself. Well, that's all well and

good I could have done without that. A little...

I would say this is more Will's movie because

of the fact of the storyline with him and Gabrielle

Union. But you didn't have that standard. Well,

you didn't have one standard shot like we had

in the first film. You had the standard shot

of after Sid gets kidnapped. Michael Bay did

that that shot that I mentioned earlier where

it pans up and pans around and and they come

up into the scene. And so you have that. But.

far as the story goes it was more so about their

friendship kind of going awry because of Mike's

choices and I don't seem to think that Marcus

was in the background and again I don't think

he was that much in the but I don't think Martin

Lawrence was much that much in the background

because they had him swallow X or they had him

act like he swallowed ecstasy so that, you know,

there's that. He's got his moments, but I would

tend to agree that it is mostly Will Smith's

movie. Yeah, I guess more so that I felt Will

Smith is more of a ballistic poor person and

Martin Lawrence just becomes this crazy character

full of antics, like, yeah, and he has that,

you know, the thing with this. He's having these

maelstrom difficulties because of the nerve nerve

damage of a getting shot in the butt and all

those others Yeah, he just seems like Mort Lawrence

cannot catch a break in this film at all. It

seems like his pool breaks. Yeah What did you

think of the scene with? Them at the it's not

Best Buy but the best bias. Oh God, I hate that

scene. I didn't realize that scene was as long

as it was when I watched it back Because because

I've seen well the reason why I say that is because

I've seen this movie so many times on TV They

cut the scene After like they cut out the whole

thing of them of them sitting on the couch being

filmed they cut on the edited TV version They

cut it right after they see the Spanish Poms

mortuary. They cut the whole scene after that

they don't even show it so I didn't even realize

that there was a Black lady there didn't even

realize that the father I was like what the hell

is this because I am so I'm so used to seeing

the the edited for TV version That I didn't even

really remember that The rest of that scene with

with the kids father coming in and all the I

didn't remember that at all What catches me in

that not seeing is the fact that they're going

to they're taking this evidence and they're taking

it to Like a spy store and just playing it in

front of everyone I'm like they do have stuff

at the police precinct precinct that you could

do that Like why are you bringing it to like

an electronic store? But they get that done.

But yeah, it does go on a little bit too long

Like like I mentioned, it's Michael Bay just

going a little too further and going with the

obvious jokes He is a guy I think Michael Bay

is his comedy as we've seen in the transformer

movies tends to rely a lot on racism and Like

homosexuality jokes. It's like that's his big

thing and yeah, that's his go -to and That's

I could tell that was like a Michael Bay moment

Like this is this is gonna be hilarious and I

think it kind of falls flat like you mentioned

because just goes on for too long Like I said,

yeah that that's and this is one of those reasons

why Even though I love this movie. I love the

action of this movie once we get down to the

ratings I would not rate it that you should watch

it on Netflix because like I said that whole

scene took like I cuz it's When I saw the when

I first saw the film back in 2003 2004 It's been

so long since then that I didn't even remember

it and like I said I've been so desensitized

by the TV version of it That I didn't remember

that that extended part of the scene. And it's

just one of those things where it's just so not

needed. Even even in the story of of the two

of them and their friendship and the stuff with

Sid, that whole thing is, oh, God, it's so should

have just been cut out of the movie. Yeah. And

I've been saying a lot of negative things, so

I guess I should because I don't hate this movie.

I do. I do enjoy it. And I think the biggest

factor besides just Will Smith and Martin Lawrence

is it. The action is Is a lot better than the

first one mainly because I think it's michael

bay has become he has had more experience and

you see that and even Though it might go on too

long. Just the incredible stunt work that's done

in this movie. It's impressive and There is a

mixture of different action. There's some some

good shootouts the the last um final cuban, uh,

like taking of that that building was really

nicely done and like how they use like the the

many uh, like Remote control car. I thought that

was pretty cool and that when they're going through

that shanty town and the kind of destroying everything

it it may be Riding me of police story the Jackie

Chan foot film because they have a similar type

of car chase Which I kind of enjoyed so yeah,

but and I think it is a lot more fun I think

it kind of and it has a stronger cast. I think

Gabrielle Union is better I think she's a better

actress. She has more charisma and she works

better with Will Smith. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, this movie was. It's so well done as

far as the action and like the bit lines and

the quotes and all that stuff. But the story

itself, like I said, there could have been stuff

cut out of it. There could have been stuff that.

wasn't necessarily needed because if you just

watch it as as the TV version having that additional

part of the electronic store scene wouldn't have

it it really like I said isn't needed because

you still get the whole thing of what their friendship

is to them without it and the other thing that

As much as I do enjoy this movie the other thing

that really bugs me and I'm hoping they get they

they somehow Move on from this with the characters

of Marcus and Captain Howard in the third film

if Joey Pants does come back for the third film

is that they get rid of the whole woo -saw thing.

Oh my god. I was so fed up with that. Yeah, that

was a running joke that needed to not be a running

joke. It just went on. Yeah. It was just every...

because it was, you know, you and Martin Lawrence

saying it. I guess it was just this theme going

on at the time. With, you know, joyous because,

you know, he was saying it to it. It did kind

of it wasn't as funny as I thought it was. And

it was just kind of overplayed. And it felt like

every three, every time anything happened, Martin

Lawrence just became the shell of a man and kept

saying woosah woosah. I'm like, OK, I get it.

But I like it when he's like in the in the in

ice pick shop and they're going to destroy this.

I like it like when he's doing it like that,

but when he's just doing it out of pure. Unmainly

emotion it just no No, not at all. All right,

so What would we rate this one one to four? One

is don't watch it Even if it's free two is worth

a watch if it's free on TV worth adding to the

Netflix Q is three or four is this one is I must

add to your DVD collection Well, I gave the last

one a two point five and I think like I though

I have issues with it I do think it's 20 30 minutes

too long I What isn't what what is there works

really well in the action it has one of the best

car chases I've seen maybe in the last 20 or

30 years And I think that makes it worth watching

so and I do enjoy it more than the first one

So I would give it a three just a little bit

better than the first one. I think it's a solid

film even with that Scene additional scene making

it longer. I would give it a solid three I'm

gonna go ahead and give it a two even though

I enjoyed I enjoyed this one way more than the

first one I like the first one for what it is

but and I like the first one for all the quotes

or anything else but for this one I have to give

it a two simply because I prefer the TV edited

version without that scene in there without that

additional scene Mean if I was really gonna say

oh my god, I love this is no problems with it

I would give it a three or four, but I have to

give it a two because Watching that extended

scene just took me so far out of the movie At

that point in the movie. I was like yeah, I need

to go do something else now Alright so sequel

There's sequel news over the last couple of years.

Michael Bay has stated that he may direct Bad

Boys 3 after Transformers Dark of the Moon, which

opened in cinemas in June 2011. Bay has pointed

out that the greatest obstacle to the potential

sequel would be the cost, as he and Will Smith

demand some of the highest salaries in the film

industry. So far it has been confirmed that Columbia

Pictures has hired Peter Craig to write the script

for Bad Boys 3. An appearance on the Monique

show on BET, Martin Lawrence confirmed that Bad

Boys 3 is in the works. With the announcement

of the release date of Transformers 4 with Michael

Bay as directing, a release for Bad Boys 3 has

been pushed back until 2015. I think that's fine

with me. If it happens, it happens. That's great.

I think it's great if Will and Martin both sign

back on. Obviously Martin's confirmed. I don't

know if Will is confirmed or not. But I think

that's okay as far as like not having it before

because Transformers 4 comes out next year supposedly

You know, so I mean that you know is next year

for Transformers 4 and then I think it's kind

of fitting that they do bad boys 3 20 years after

the first film so I'm perfectly fine with that

if and when it happens I think a big sign for

me is if I want that movie is actually gonna

come out this year's a film that's gonna come

out this year is Pain and Gain because it seems

like Michael Bay is trying to get back to that

similar type of style with It's more of it about

these two characters and it's less about the

special effects So I'm curious if that movie

works if you can get it to work with those two

actors which is gonna be The Rock and Mark Wahlberg,

I think that would be a good sign if Bad Boys

3 could work. Who knows if it will, because who

knows if Will Smith wants to go back down that

road. It seems like he's getting less, he's kind

of becoming more behind -the -camera, more producing.

But like you mentioned, a 20 -year anniversary

of that movie would be a perfect time for that

to come out. Yeah. I think if they do, I don't

know. I haven't seen any behind -the -scenes

or anything or whatever as far as what the script

looks like. But if they write a script that...

Has them... What would you say Mike and Marcus's

ages are in the first two films? Anywhere between

30 to 40 maybe? Somewhere in those 10 years?

I would say the first one they seem like to be...

They're detectives so they've had been doing

it for a good while. I would say late 20s and

maybe mid 30s in the second film. Maybe a little

older. I don't know. Okay. Because I'm thinking

if they... if they make them like mid 40s in

the third film and somehow say oh you know oh

my god it's been you know a 20 year somehow have

a plot Relying around the fact of oh my god,

we've had a 20 year career, you know 20 30 year

40 year Well, however long their friendship would

be obviously if they're 40 years old if you know,

you know somewhere around a 30 or 40 year friendship

and somehow just don't rely on the If the third

one has a drug plot in it I don't even know if

I'll see it in the theater because just looking

at the first two films. They're both drug plots

I want them to do something else. I want them

if they're Maybe they're, you know, maybe pull

a lethal weapon. Make them captains. Make them

do something out of their norm that they don't

normally do. Make them go after serial murderers

or make them go after, you know, something different

than what we have in these two films at the same

time paying homage to the fact that it's been

20 years since the first film. Would you want

them to stay in Miami like the first two films

have been we didn't mention that but Miami's

a big part of those two movies Yeah, would you

want them to stay in the same setting or would

you be okay if they went someplace else? It depends

maybe you've got a movie where Mike is still

in Miami, but Marcus Somewhere after bad boys

to even though they resolved it at the end of

the film say something else happened in 20 years

or 30 years or whatever it is and say that you

know mark has made good and said I'm transferring

out and maybe he's out in California so don't

do it like what rush hour did where oh my god

one film we have to be here the next film have

it somewhere where they have to reunite if they

have split up whether it's reuniting in Miami

or honestly if they did something like what I

know this is gonna be bad for me to reference

but CBS television did crossovers between Walker

Texas Ranger and martial law when those two series

were on television where Sam Oh Hong had to go

to Texas and then Walker had to go to LA so maybe

something to where maybe Mike has to go out to

LA to save Marcus and maybe part of that investigation

leads them back to Miami somehow whatever the

investigation is I just don't want it to be a

regular drug plot That's the only thing I don't

want. I don't care what else they do to it. Hell,

they could, you know, if Michael wanted to, he

could put some transforming trucks in there.

I don't care. Just do something other than drug

lord plots, please. Yeah. Uh, I'd be okay with

it. I guess I get you an issue with the drug

thing that I don't know. To me, the, the, the

plot was so in constant control to the movie,

but I wouldn't, I'd be fine if they went something

different. Maybe cyber terrorism or, uh, you

know something more regarding something maybe

a little grittier or if besides just you know

being maybe some type of murder or something

like that that they have to figure out but as

long as they can get you know martin lawrence

and them back and perhaps some of those smaller

like joey as you know and some of the other parts

would be fine with it so i'm curious if it's

going to happen if it is going to happen like

what exactly they're going to do with it All

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Yes, Michael. Just keep driving. Vargas! Vargas!

Get out! Get out! Abort! We're not gonna make

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to shit! The Russian Grim Reaper is here. Alright,

we are back. Final thoughts on the Bad Boys franchise,

sir? I think the Bad Boys films are even - are

two movies even if you're not a big Michael Bay

fan, you can - Enjoy it's Michael Bay. It may

be not as crazy as we remember him from the Transformers

movie, especially the first one Yeah, if you're

a fan of Will Smith in any regards, I think These

are two probably his most notable films and they're

basically just really fun action movies. Yes

the plot of issues They may go on for too long

and the comedy doesn't always work, but they're

really fun films They're the classic buddy cop

but kind of with us with a 90s edge and early

2000s edge to them. So Yeah, very awesome. Yeah,

I I would say that if you are a Will Smith fan

you'll like these movies Even if you're a Martin

Lawrence fan, you'll like that, you know the

the kind of comedy that he brings to them I'm

hoping that when bad boys 3 does happen that

they get as many cast members from the second

one back the cast of the second movie Okay, not

counting tae leona. She was okay in the first

movie, but the cast of the second movie is so

like so good even though we may not know a lot

of those people like The the white guy with the

beard In the in the in in the mortuary scene

he's like hey you guys take those those bodies

to the morgue yet You said Spanish bombs mortuary.

No you dumb fuck I like that white guy, and I

like pretty much all of the actors. This movie,

Bad Boys 2, the second film to me is almost like

Enemy of the State, where you have Will Smith

at a center role, you got Gene Hackman also in

a center role, and you've got like John Voight

and all of these other actors. In Enemy of the

State, you've got Jake Busey. Gary Busey's son.

You've got Seth Green. You've got Jack Black.

You've got all these other actors that do so

well in those supportive type of roles. You know

what I mean? And I think that if they bring the

majority of the second films cast back in Bad

Boys 2 for Bad Boys 3, it's going to make a really

interesting movie, depending on what the plot

would be. But I love these first two films. The

comedy bits and the quotes in the first film

are absolutely hilarious. I was looking for and

reading quotes on IMDB earlier and just reading

the stuff and just hearing in my head what the

actors say and it's like, oh my god, I can't

stop laughing. It's just so awesome. We hope

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Already you breaking her heart? What the hell

are you talking about? Was she not good enough

for you Mike? Sid! Mike said you ain't shit!

Now, why would you scream out some crazy nonsense

like that? You know, Mike, I don't appreciate

you coming over here, all right? Disrespecting

me and my new pool. I bought your new pool. You

know what? Why don't you hook this pool up to

your Ferrari and drag this motherfucker out of

here? First of all, I was just joking with you.

Second of all, all this right here, smell yourself

right now. Because this moment is what the fuck

is wrong with you. You know what, Mike? I got

the transfer papers in the trash can. I go get

them and glue them the fuck up. Glue them up,

Mike. What? You want some glue? Then we don't

be bothering anymore. I got glue in the car.

I'm gonna rap so I can talk to you as hot as

a motherfucker. I feel like I'm cooking in this

fucker. And I gotta hear some shit out of you.

And then on top of that shit, you gonna dog my

baby sister? Oh, this is that bullshit. Come

on man, you gotta learn the words. Mike, you

don't know the damn words either. movie we can

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