Daredevil and Elektra Review

Thank you very much. Hello and welcome to the

13th episode of the MWire Movie Weekend Review.

Today we are going to be discussing Daredevil

and we will be mentioning Elektra. It's not going

to be a very long discussion in our Marvel Spotlight.

I am TFG1 Mike and I am joined once again by

Mike the Birdman Dodd from This Week in Geek.

Hello, sir. Hey, guys. What's going down? Not

much. How are you? It's been an interesting evening.

I've been working away as always. This will probably

be my third time on air today, so it has been

a busy day as it always is. Yes, yes. It's kind

of crazy for a Sunday to be that busy, but...

Actually, it's weird. Sunday is usually my busiest

day outside of Mondays. Hmm. This happens to

be the way that it goes. Hmm. Strange. Yeah,

there isn't really a whole lot going on. This

episode won't hit until next Saturday. I already

sent the Spider -Man app to Steve, so that will

be coming up, I believe. He might have already

put it up, or it might be tomorrow when he does

it. Not really that much else going on. We've

got ToonCast coming up this week, so that'll

be coming out on Wednesday. And the topic for

today, as I said, is Daredevil, and I think we're

just going to get right into the discussion.

All right. I prowl the rooftops and alleyways

at night searching for justice, blind justice,

a guardian devil. I was 12 years old. I had lost

my sight, but I got something back in return.

My remaining four senses functioned with superhuman

sharpness. I could hear a whisper a block away,

but the most amazing of all was a kind of radar

sense. Soon the world will know the truth. There

is no proof that Daredevil even exists. That

one man can make a difference. What do you want?

Justice. This spring. Matt Murdock. Nice to meet

you. I didn't get your name. I didn't give it.

You sure you don't want to tell me your name?

My name's Electrum. I have to go. My bodyguard

is here. Your bodyguard? In a city ruled by fear.

Kingpin just doesn't kill you. He kills your

whole family. One man will face his greatest

challenge. Get me Bullseye. The devil is mine.

Is that really necessary? Necessary? No. It was

fun. And a new hero will be born. Time to give

the devil his due. How do you kill a man? Without

fear. We're putting the fear in him. New York

is not a safe place to live. I have to go. I

got work to do. back here on m wire uh and this

one we're going to be talking about daredevil

for the majority uh did you see this when it

first came out in theaters mike actually i i

uh did i was uh going through a bit of a tough

time in my life at that particular point and

my friend james uh took me to the movies to make

me feel better and go see this little film and

uh gotta say i had a really good time with with

this movie i think i saw it maybe twice in theaters

Yeah, I first thing I heard about the film and

I had heard rumors about who was going to be

playing Matt Murdock slash Daredevil. And at

first, like with all superhero films nowadays,

I am very skeptical until I see the person in

the role. So when I first heard Ben Affleck was

going to play him, I'm like, oh, God, no, just

no, no, no, no, no. So the next part that I heard

about was the soundtrack. And I heard about.

potentially there being a new Nickelback track.

And everybody knows I'm a huge Nickelback fan.

Despite your better judgment, yes, go on. Shut

the fuck up. So when it came out, it came out

Valentine's Day, February 14th, Friday, February

14th, 2003. That weekend, my cousin was getting

married. So all my family, outside of myself

and my mom, still live in Massachusetts. So I

flew from here to there, and we attended her

wedding. Her wedding was the 15th of February,

the day after. So we all went out. My cousin,

her future husband, I believe my mom, and it

might have been one or two other people. We all

decided to go to the movies, and we decided to

go see Daredevil. As soon as I saw this film,

when I heard the music for it, now we're not

really going to get into a full discussion of

the music just yet, but when I first heard the

music for it, I'm like, oh, God, I have to go

find that soundtrack. Thank God the movie theater

we went to was attached to a mall. So as soon

as the movie let out, I said, okay, okay, you

guys hang on one second. I've got to go run to

the music store. I picked up the soundtrack as

soon as I get out of the movie. I got to say,

this is probably still one of the strongest soundtracks

that Marvel has ever produced. And like I said,

we will get into this discussion later on. But

I got to say, I would credit this movie with

launching Evanescence's career into the main

media spotlight. Because Bring Me to Life was

getting a lot of radio play on Christian rock

stations, despite the fact that Evanescence wanted

to distance themselves from that. And this being

on the Daredevil soundtrack and all that. I've

really launched them to the superstardom that

they now enjoy. Yes, yes, very much so. So getting

into the information for this, Daredevil is a

2003 American superhero film written and directed

by Mark Steven Johnson. Based on the Marvel Comics

character of the same name, film stars Ben Affleck

as Matt Murdock, a blind lawyer who fights justice

in the courtroom and out of the courtroom as

the masked vigilante Daredevil. Now, I don't

know a whole lot about the Daredevil comics because

I haven't read them. But would he really be considered

a vigilante or would he be an antihero? He'd

be more of a vigilante because he's kind of like

Batman in the fact that, you know, he tries to

fight his battles in the courtroom. And when

that doesn't work, go beat the hell out of them.

So Matt Murdock tries to stay on the right side

of the law because he'd rather see justice be

served in the courtroom as opposed to him going

out on the street and dispensing it himself.

Because the fact – even if he turns them in to

the police, there's no guarantee the conviction

is going to stick. So at least if he prosecutes

it, then he has a fighting chance. That's true.

Jennifer Gardner plays his love interest Electra

Nachios, Colin Farrell plays the merciless assassin

Bullseye, and Michael Clarke Duncan plays Wilson

Fisk, also known as the crime lord Kingpin. Now,

before this film, the only real exposure I had

to Daredevil was when he did a crossover in the

1994 Spider -Man cartoon. Now, my question to

you would be, would we ever see Kingpin... in

a Spider -Man film because the way that the Spider

-Man cartoon portrayed Kingpin was that he was

really Spider -Man's villain, but as everyone

knows, he really is the foil for Daredevil. So

which is it? Well, you see, it's kind of funny.

Actually, if you go into the documentaries on

the Daredevil DVD, they actually explain that

Frank Miller, I think it was, told Marvel. I'm

taking the kingpin that there's nothing you can

do about. I think it was Frank Miller. And the

reason for that is because in the Spider -Man

comics, John Romita and John Romita Jr. had drawn

the kingpin. He was kind of – he was basically

a fat guy. And they didn't really give him a

whole lot because his schemes always fell apart.

Yet when Frank Miller got a hold of him, he became

this manipulative, evil, brutal man. I mean,

sure, he's a – the fact that he's a big man is

– it's a complete ruse because actually he's

a very muscular man with next to no fat on him.

He just looks like a fat guy. And I think it

would be really cool to see him match wits with

Spider -Man. But the problem is the Tobey Maguire

Spider -Man universe doesn't really mesh well

with the Daredevil universe because I can't see

Peter Parker, our Peter Parker from the Sam Raimi

universe meshing well with this one because I

think, honestly, he'd get his ass handed to him.

Right, but I meant just the character of Kingpin

in general. I mean, not specifically Michael

Clarke Duncan's version of him, but just... I

mean, because, like I said, the way I know Kingpin

is from the Spider -Man cartoon as a Spider -Man

villain. So that's what I was asking, is if it

was... Would it be at all possible? But I mean,

I agree with you. I don't think it would work

if you meshed the two from the two film franchises.

Let's see. I guess basically to try to summarize

this up fairly quickly, Matt's father was supposed

to throw a fight. He was actually working for

a crime boss and not at the docks. On the original

theatrical cut, I feel that the theatrical cut

is wrapped up too quickly. Yeah, I would agree

with that. It just seems to come to an end way

too fast. There's so many plot holes, though.

I just finished watching the commentary track

over the theatrical cut before we started recording

this because I wanted to see what Mark Steven

Johnson had to say about it. And there's so much

stuff that they cut out, which they then put

back into the director's cut DVD. The director's

cut is much better than the theatrical cut. It

has 30 minutes of extra footage, but it's not

just like, oh, here's a deleted scene that we

didn't put in, or oh, here's this. They actually

work it into the story. They work this whole

other court case angle with Coolio playing Dante

Jackson, and it's just a much better flushed

-out story. The only thing I think that they

cut out of the director's cut is the love scene.

So instead of saying that he's going to stay

with Electra, He actually goes off and finds

this guy who is about to abuse his son. Overall,

I think this film was done really well. Before

I even knew about the director's cut and just

had the theatrical cut, I couldn't see the fact

that there were so many plot holes for it. And

I like the way that the music fits throughout

it, especially the themes. Because the themes,

just the score itself, fits this movie. You couldn't

get a better score for this film. Yeah, because

the guy that actually scored this, Graham Revel,

he's the same guy who did music for Sin City.

He really knows how to compose scores that really

interact with the characters, and then even the

use of licensed music really seemed to go well.

One particular scene I thought that was amazingly

well done with musical cues was the scene where

young Matt's learning about his new abilities

and powers, and they're using Hoobastanks. Right

before your eyes. Right, yeah, right before your

eyes. It really made the scene all come together,

gave the scene a little bit more emotional weight.

And then even using the scores right near the

end, the fight with the kingpin right at the

end, I thought that was well done. It's a great

soundtrack. I mean, all things considered, this

movie with the music really made it. In fact,

you never saw the Spider -Man franchise use music

as well as Daredevil did, I think, or even X

-Men. Well, X -Men, I... I looked it up when

it came out, or I looked it up a long time ago.

I thought there was soundtracks to it. It's more

of a score film for those films. It's more of

instrumental music, which is fine. I like instrumental

music. I mean, there's plenty of film scores

that I do like, but X -Men wasn't a film that

you had where you could actually fit in, say,

a Dashboard Conventional song or a Nickelback

song or... Or anything like that. It just wasn't

– it didn't have that kind of style. See, and

I don't know. I mean there aren't many pieces

of those scores that I can remember outside of

the actual theme. I mean with Spider -Man, I

immediately think of the opening score and the

hero scores for each of the main characters.

Yet with the X -Men films, not so much. With

Daredevil, it was more of an atmosphere thing

because this movie was shot – so dark i mean

think think about how much of this movie happens

at night and i guess that's supposed to simulate

or be expressive of matt being blind and blah

blah blah the music just seems to go along with

that i think outside of um i think outside of

the fantastic four appearance and the iron man

appearance of stanley this This one that Stan

did in this film, in the Daredevil film, was

the best one, outside of the one that he did

in Fantastic Four films and the Iron Man film,

with young Matt Murdock saving him from an oncoming

car on a crosswalk. Oh yeah, totally. You have

young Matt Murdock, who has already had the accident,

and he can sense all this stuff. And, you know,

Stan Lee is standing right next to him reading

a paper and he's about to cross. You know how

like when you're walking down the street trying

to read something or when you're listening to

like an iPod or Walkman or whatever and you're

not really paying attention and then somebody

else is? He just kind of like puts his cane out

and stops him. A scene we really do need to talk

about is the bully scene and the Sopranos aspect

of this film because Robert Eiler plays the lead

bully. who he was Anthony Soprano Jr. from The

Sopranos. See, the only thing about the bully

scene, the second bully scene that I didn't like,

was this, like, fucking Street Fighter flip kick

that he does. Yeah. Outside of that, I thought

the scene was remarkably well done, because he's

basically bit -slapping the guy. Yeah. The other

Sopranos reference that I know of, obviously,

is Joey Pant. I can't say his last name. Don't

look at me, man. Everybody knows who Joey Pants

is. He was in The Sopranos for a season, and

he's done a whole bunch of other stuff. He plays

the reporter Ben Urich. Oh, yeah, he was awesome.

Yes, very much so. And one of his main highlights

was the scene where after Quesada is killed,

but technically Daredevil let the guy die. I

mean, that's what he did. I mean, he didn't actually.

kill him you know by his own hands but he got

pushed off on the train tracks and his body got

cut in half so see i i don't remember daredevil

being that particularly brutal but then again

when if this is based more or less on the frank

miller version of daredevil it wouldn't surprise

me well uh like i said i was watching the commentary

on on the the theatrical cut and mark stephen

johnson said that they couldn't plot the movie

out the way that that it ended up unless Daredevil

let Quesada die. That's just the way it was.

But in that scene, in the aftermath of it, when

Joey Pants comes in as the reporter, at the end

of grilling the detective, he's got a lit cigarette,

throws the cigarette down, and of course, this

would never happen in a real superhero setting.

Only in the movies would this happen, but two

giant flaming D's come up. See, I've always been

very curious to try this out, and that's probably

a very bad thing. Yes. But it looks amazingly

cool. Well, I think during the commentary, he

wanted to reference Alex Poyas, I think that's

his name, and the crow, because they did that

in the crow movie, which was amazingly badass.

I mean, just double D isn't as impressive, but

it gets the point across. Why is Daredevil carrying

around enough gasoline to make this? Just saying.

Well, you know, it's the small stuff in this

because, you know, like I said, it's not that

I'm not a Daredevil fan. It's just I was never

exposed to the comics, but I know who the character

is and I know his backstory. But just a lot of

the small stuff in this that just makes me laugh

and just makes me, like, you know, just do, like,

a little chuckle. And that was one of them there.

I was like, oh, that's convenient for the plot.

Yeah. I just can't see Matt Murdock taking the

time. No. There's a crime scene. I mean, like,

this is a guy who doesn't want to get caught.

I mean, he's a vigilante. He's got things to

do. And here you are taking the time to elaborately

plan this out. I mean, and what if somebody hadn't

had a lit cigarette? I mean, what if this. crime

scene hadn't been cleaned up the proper way and

somebody's walking through the subway the next

day you know just saying the scene when when

daredevil comes home when matt comes home after

after killing kasada and he it's like the hero's

return he's hanging up his car you know he's

just hanging up for the night obviously you know

he's taking his costume off hanging it up because

he has superhuman senses outside of obviously

his sight because he's now blind I like the fact

that they put him in a sensory deprivation tank

at night. That was a very nice touch. How else

is a guy like that going to be able to sleep

at night? Man, I just had a thought, and I guess

I can address this later on. Because he does

have all these super enhanced senses, he does

have an enhanced sense of touch, and I'm going

to go into that a little bit later, so keep talking.

Yes. You dirty old man. And I think that was

really good, but what I like about the coming

home scene is that he basically... He's basically

a wreck. He's basically a shit in his home life

because, you know, first of all, I know that

blind people go off of sounds and I know that

the whole thing with Daredevil is that he relies

on his other senses. How did he know that there

was a new message on the answering machine? It

didn't make a beep. It didn't make a noise. See,

but he might have been hearing the LED light

because sometimes, like, have... You ever notice

when you come into a room, you can feel a TV

being turned on if it's one of those old CRTs?

Okay, I can go with that for a TV, but not for

an answering machine, Mike. I just can't. He's

a fucking daredevil. He can do whatever the hell

he wants. He's a fucking daredevil, but I'm just

saying, it just doesn't, to me, it doesn't make

any sense. Because, I don't know, it just doesn't

make any sense. Anyway, the woman that was the...

Girlfriend on there was actually Colin Farrell's

sister. Oh, that's cool. And she actually is

in the bar scene, too, where Bullseye first appears

in the blue dress. Yep, yep. This movie is the,

I believe, I don't know since then. I don't know,

obviously, as of right now, today in 2009. But

at the time, this was the only movie that Colin

Farrell has ever used his original way he talks

in his Irish accent. This was the very first

movie that he ever did that on. It wouldn't surprise

me, actually, because I know he didn't do it

in SWAT. Yeah, no. In other movies, though. No,

that wouldn't work in SWAT at all. Awesome, though.

No, I know SWAT is awesome, but yeah, no, that

wouldn't have worked. Not for that character.

What did you think of the way they did Bullseye

in this? I thought Bullseye was actually amazingly

badass. I mean, they made him... cool without

being ridiculous however his trademark bullseye

on his forehead was a little bit ridiculous but

you know when you think about it because they

didn't give him a traditional costume it worked

i mean you could see he was so proud of like

hey i am so awesome i'm gonna fucking kill you

yeah and i love how they gave him that really

cool alligator skin jacket i would love to get

one of those myself but uh i love the way colin

farrell did bullseye because he was so Awesome.

I think he's one of the coolest Marvel villains

they've ever put to screen. And it's all because

of Colin Farrell's body language. I mean, when

he kills the woman... on the plane with the peanut,

he does this little flare of his nostrils and

this look on his face that completely sells it

for me. Because he's like, shut up and die already.

Oh, yes. I just, I love it. Absolutely love it.

While we're talking about Bullseye and Colin

Farrell's portrayal of him, in the director's

cut version, this is why you need to find the

director's cut, whether you find it, quote unquote,

legally, or whether you just go out and get it

at a cheap DVD bin. The bullseye scene actually

is extended in this from the plane. It shows

him going to get on the plane and emptying his

pockets and showing all this stuff and showing

that he's at the metal detector. It was a really,

really cool scene that they added for the director's

cut version. Yeah, he was just a great, great

choice for the bullseye character. I actually...

I think my favorite part of that was in the theatrical

cut he says, I want a bloody costume, but really

he is saying I want a fucking costume because

that's what he says in the director's cut. But

if you look at his lips in the theatrical cut,

it says the F word, but he's actually saying

bloody. The reason why that was is because they

were trying to go for a PG -13 rating. They didn't

want to have an R -rated Daredevil movie. Well,

that's because it had been kicked back so many

times. Oh, yeah. They're like, fine, fuck, he'll

say bloody, okay? Just give us the damn rating.

Yeah, yeah. I think one of the more powerful

scenes was when the first Daredevil bullseye

confrontation. Now, I have watched the theatrical

cut twice this week. And I have been looking

at that confrontation when Bullseye's on the

motorcycle and Daredevil comes running up to

him and he does like that kick you said you didn't

like the kid that young Matt did. He does the

same kick as Daredevil, the upside -down kick,

flip, or whatever it is. Yeah, he basically does

Guile's flash kick. Yeah. I've been looking and

looking and looking. I don't see where Bullseye

grabbed the weapon or the nightstick or whatever

you want to call Daredevil's little weapon there.

I don't see where he grabbed that in that action

at all. I don't see it. And then once Daredevil

lands and he goes to grab it on his leg, it's

not there because Bullseye grabbed it. And then

Bullseye throws it at Nicholas Nachios and kills

him. I just don't see how he could have gotten

that off of... Daredevil's leg in that transaction.

I guess it's one of those things you'd have to

go back and watch really carefully or somebody

forgot to take care of it in continuity. I'd

go with the latter because I've watched it twice

and I've strained my eyes trying to see what

the hell happened. And of course after uh electra's

father is killed she wants vengeance she's basically

turning into matt after after his dad died uh

which you know i know we're jumping around here

a bit but we should go back to the beginning

of the film when uh jack murdoch did die i'm

sorry i knew as soon as i saw the raised car

wheel who was getting out of the car So even

though in that part of the film he wasn't Kingpin

yet, I knew who it was. I didn't even need to

see the black fist coming into the screen. I

knew it was Wilson Fisk or Kingpin or whatever

you want to call him. But that has to be devastating

for a kid. Well, yeah, having your dad murdered

and there's not a goddamn thing you can do. Yeah,

that would fuck up anybody. Yeah, yeah, and plus

he couldn't even see him because obviously he's

blind. What else do we need to hit on? Oh, the

love scene. I guess we can talk about that now.

What are your thoughts on that? Okay, so it's

established that Daredevil has super enhanced

everything. Yes. This includes his sense of touch.

Yes. To go out on a limb, Daredevil must have

the most amazing orgasms ever. There, I said

it. Continue on. You're just thinking about the

implications of this, aren't you? Yeah, pretty

much. Every night's a party. Need I say more?

Well, Mark Johnson said it in the commentary

that he views Daredevil or Matt Murdock or whatever,

he has no peace unless he's fighting or fucking.

That's true. Because the only time he ever used

his, that was the first time he used his bed.

was when he and Elektra made love. Because every

other night he's in that sensory deprivation

tank. It's true. And in one of the documentaries,

Kevin Smith calls Matt Murdock the pussy hound

of the Marvel Universe. And it's true. He's always...

getting laid but he has the worst taste in women

not saying that they're not top shelf pieces

but they always end up dead or turning his enemy

or trying to kill him or something i mean because

he gets involved with electra who dies typhoid

mary who was fucked up the beginning with karen

page who dies as a direct result of his actions

more or less in the guardian devil storyline

and you just he has this horrible history with

girls i mean even driving away the black widow

at one point, because she felt she didn't want

to be a sidekick to him. Yeah, yeah. I'm trying

to think what... And then, of course, you have

the whole funeral scene. Well, before the lovemaking

scene even happens, he's talking about the raindrops,

and each raindrop makes a sound, and it's like

he can see again, and then obviously that will

come back into play when he's trying to fight

Kingpin. Because Kingpin's Fortress is surrounded

by water. I often wondered about, when I watched

this the first time this week, I was like, what

the hell? It wasn't raining outside when he got

there. Why is it raining now? And then when I

listened to the commentary, Mark Steven Johnson

said that they wanted the Kingpin's Fortress

to be surrounded in water because it was going

to pay off in the final battle because Elector

was going to come back to him and make him focus

to be able to beat the Kingpin. See, that never

even occurred to me until I watched this movie

again recently. Oh, yeah, that makes a good chunk

of sense. Shit, yeah. Never put it together until

just now. Yeah. That's for you, Mike. Continue.

Yeah, thanks. Sorry. Bonus. Yeah, I have that

other audio recording we did the other night.

Anyway, so the – I mean, I know we're not actually

going plot point by plot point. We're just kind

of jumping around and talking about different

scenes. But in the director's cut, as I said,

it's more flushed out. And it turns out that

in that version, there's a hooker who is murdered

by Kingpin's associate or set up by Wesley Owen

Welch. And in that version, it is – You know

how it's tied off in the theatrical version of,

oh, the word's out on the kingpin. Well, no,

it's not shown in the theatrical version who

actually went to snitch. Ben Urich took, who

has a source who was actually Wesley Owen Welch,

because he cannot stand what the whole kingpin

part of Wilson Fisk's lifestyle. He doesn't want

anything to do with it. He goes to Urich, and

then Urich goes to the detective and... Blah,

blah, blah, blah. And that's how that happened.

I think it was nice that they included that in

the director's cut version. As I said before,

the theatrical version, it's just, it's wrapped

up way too fast. Yeah. So, I'm trying to think

what was the next thing I was going to point

out. What did you think of the olive shot from

Bullseye when he's sitting in Kingpin's chair

and Kingpin has the olive in the fork and he

throws the pencil at it? I love just how cocky

Colin Farrell is as Bullseye in that scene because

he's like, yeah, well, he made me miss and now

he's going to die. I'll do him for free. That

was – see, that's how I picture Bullseye. He's

so convinced of his own superiority. When somebody

bests him, it becomes personal. And that's what

I loved because he basically proven to the kingpin

he's going to die, you're going to let me do

it, and there's not a thing you can do about

it. So you can help me or you can get the hell

out of my way. Yeah, pretty much. And one of

the best lines from – From the two of them, Kingpin

and Bullseye was, when Kingpin asks him, how

do you kill a man without fear? And Bullseye

says, by putting the fear in him. I thought that

was really, really cool. And then you have, obviously,

once we get to the whole church battle, which

I liked it only because Bullseye finally figures

out what Daredevil's weakness is, which is sound.

You know, just loud. clanging all around and

he can't focus on it. I like the... Most people

seem to think that I've talked to or that I've

heard or I've read opinions about this scene.

They think that the glass part where when he

runs out of the shurikens and when he breaks

the stained glass window and grabs all the glass,

most people think that's kind of stupid. I thought

it was cool. It's kind of cool, but in a stupid

way because it's very... cart cartoony. You know

what I mean? Cause he's like, Hey, Hey, Hey.

He's like, you know, if you put the right music

behind that, that scene would be kind of funny.

Yeah. Um, I, and the reason why I like, and I

really remembered that is cause it reminded me

of the Spider -Man scene with those, uh, pumpkin

things, uh, in the first Spider -Man film when

Spider -Man does, I mean, it's basically almost

the exact same scene between the two films. Because

they're both doing back flips and side flips

and stuff to get away from these things. You

know, the only difference is, in Spider -Man,

it's goblin shurikens or whatever the hell they

are. And in this, you know, it's pieces of glass.

And it almost is the exact same scene. And then,

of course, the best part of that scene is when...

After Matt gets the focus back, you actually

see the viewpoint through the sniper's rifle,

and he hears the bullet clicking into place,

and he moves Bullseye's hands into the bullet

path, and you have a whole stigmata thing. there

with uh the bullet going through both of his

hands and then of course bullseye goes out the

window lands on uh ben uric's car and ben's like

oh it crashes on ben uric's car ben gets out

of the car he goes oh it's not it's not me it's

it's over there it's over there um And then,

of course, it ends with Matt finding the necklace

and Ben trying to decide whether he's going to

publish his Daredevil story or not. And, of course,

he says he won't. Or he doesn't say he won't.

He just hits the delete key and walks out the

door and says, go get him, Matt. And then we

see Daredevil do this weird backflip and his

little hook thing comes into the screen and it

ends. Overall, I think this film was great. I

mean, it's one of the underappreciated Marvel

films, and it doesn't get enough credit for what

it does. I mean, the fact that it was a darker

Marvel film than stuff like, say, X -Men or Spider

-Man, I think that's important to note because

some of the other stuff... is considered in the

Marvel Knights line. And the Marvel Knights line

is the R -rated here. As you're talking, you're

like Ghost Rider and you're Punisher. And I like

the fact that the director... took this in a

darker sense, yet there was still enough fun

in the movie to keep it light when it needed

to be. And I really want them to do another Daredevil.

I mean, recently there's been news that the guy

from Crank 1 and 2, Jason Statham, wants to play

Daredevil, and I think that's personally terrible

casting. Yes, well, we will get to that once

we get down to the marketing stuff as far as

my research here. I pulled up the cast list.

on this movie from IMDb, or not from IMDb, from

Wiki. And it says for the Matt Murdock Daredevil

character, originally Vin Diesel was considered

to portray Daredevil before him, before Ben Affleck.

And that would have been a very, very different

movie. I mean, extremely different. That would

have been rated triple X. Yes! Wow, you almost

missed that reference, didn't you? Yep. Colin

Farrell was also considered to play Daredevil

until Affleck signed. Who else? No, those are

the only two that were listed for that. It surprises

me how many people that they looked at for Elektra.

You've got listed here Penelope Cruz, Salma Hayek,

Natalie Portman, Lucy Liu, Jessica Alba, Nev

Campbell, and Katie Holmes. I'm sorry. Those

are all terrible choices. Exactly. I'm sorry.

If Katie Holmes played Elektra, I would shoot

myself in the theater. I mean, she doesn't have

the physicality for it. I mean, Jennifer Garner

was on Alias at the time, or I think it was just

ending its run, which means she had the physicality,

plus she's a trained dancer, so she knows how

to do half this shit. Lucy Liu wouldn't have

been a bad choice, but I don't remember Elektra

being that Asian. Jessica Alba. She doesn't seem

menacing enough. Jennifer Gardner has just enough

of a hard edge to her because of playing the

character Sidney Bristow for so many years on

Alias that you believe it. But just yet no. Yet

no. And no one else could play Bullseye other

than Colin Farrell in this movie. Now, if they

decide to do another Bullseye story in another

Daredevil movie, maybe they could get somebody

else. But for this film, no one else could play

that role, I don't think. I could think of a

few other people that maybe could have done it.

Actually, like we were talking about earlier,

hell, I think Jason Statham could even pull it

off, but it would be a different type of character

than the role that Colin Farrell did. I could

see this bullseye being more brutal and to the

point, not as joking around. He would kill you

straight out. He wouldn't fuck around. It would

be straight to the point. You're dead. And, of

course, everybody was concerned. I don't know

if it was actually controversial or not, the

casting of Michael Clark Duncan as Wilson Fisk

in The Kingpin, there really, at the time, I

don't think there was anybody with the physical

prowess that you would have to have for the role.

I can't think of anybody. You know, maybe the

guy who played Tony Soprano, James Gandolfini,

maybe if they wanted to go for a white guy. Yeah.

I'm trying to think of who else could have played

The Kingpin. You know, that's all I could think

of. I mean, just because you need the physicality

behind it. I mean, I don't know. I mean, you

could go with other famous fat guys in Hollywood.

I mean, you could make a case for Philip Seymour.

the physicality to it. Sure, he's a big guy,

but he doesn't look like he's going to throw

you around and snap you like a twig. Well, the

director was saying on the commentary that they,

in some parts of the movie, they used lifts,

not lifts in, like, shoes, but they used platforms

for Michael Clarke Duncan so he could basically

tower over Daredevil and tower over pretty much

everybody else. You know, Kingpin is supposed

to be this larger -than -life figure. You know,

he's supposed to tower over you. And then, of

course, you had Jon Favreau as Franklin Foggy

Nelson, who he did offer some good comic relief,

I think. And, of course, we all know Favreau

from Iron Man and Iron Man 2 as the director

of that film. uh, or films. Um, and then I said,

uh, Joe Pantoliano, uh, as Ben Urich, David Keith

is Jack Murdock. That was fairly good casting.

Oh yeah. Now keep in mind, I have never read

the, you know, the comics, like I said, uh, so

I never actually saw the, the, um, relationship

between Matt and his father in the comics, but

I think that just from knowing the backstory

of Matt and Daredevil, I think this was a good

choice. Oh yeah, totally. Then you have Leland

Orser as Wesley Owen Welch, Eric Avery as Nicholas

Nachios, Ellen Pompeo as Karen Page, which that

should have been a completely different role,

I think. I mean, you know, if you wanted to fit

Karen Page into it, didn't you say she was one

of Matt's love interest as well? Yeah, yeah,

because Karen Page, she's an important character

in the comics, and if they do do a second Daredevil

movie, I'd like to see them do the Guardian Devil

storyline with Karen Page and bringing back people

like Bullseye and Mysterio. I mean, if you get

a chance to go read this comic, it's seriously

great. I mean, there are some moments in it that

will make you cry because it's so tragic. Yeah,

Guardian Devil, I actually looked it up on...

Amazon. It is one of the finest pieces of Daredevil

ever written. I mean, actually, Guardian Devil

was the first one I actually ever read as a standalone

Daredevil stuff, because my only experience with

Daredevil, like you said, was the Spider -Man

cartoon. And I had a passing interest in him,

but a friend of mine loaned me Guardian Devil,

and I was hooked. Yeah, the one thing I liked

about... the daredevil version in in in the spidey

cartoon was his his staff or stick or whatever

you want to call it as as he's fighting it it's

kind of like a crap how the hell do i even phrase

this it's kind of like a miniature bow because

it it contracts into itself when he needs it

Or when he doesn't need it. I thought that was

really cool. Production note that I saved, which

I thought was very, very interesting and we should

bring up. In 1997, 20th Century Fox optioned

the rights for Marvel Enterprises, and Chris

Columbus was chosen to direct the film. Now,

if this came true again, this would be a very,

very different film than what we got. Yeah, it

would have been... I don't know how he would

have handled the property, actually. I mean,

one of the things that I'd like to see in another

take on Daredevil is I'd like to see another

director say, you need someone like Christopher

Nolan who did Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

You need someone who has the same passion for

the property. Now, that also being said... You

could compare this movie, I think, in the same

sense as look at Batman 1989 with Tim Burton.

It tried to be very dark yet having the same

light moments. Would Tim Burton do a good job

on this? He can keep Johnny Depp the fuck out

of it, sure. Johnny Depp as Matt Murdock. Just,

no. Don't even finish that friggin' sentence,

dude. That's not even right. No, that would be

terrible casting. But it's not to say that Johnny

Depp couldn't play one of the villains. I mean,

Daredevil has an interesting rogues gallery.

Basically, a lot of them are Spider -Man rejects,

but still. I was going to say, outside of Kingpin

and Bullseye, I don't know of any other Daredevil

villains, just because, as I've been saying throughout

this entire record, I've never really read any

of the Daredevil comics. As far as the director's

cut goes, it was announced for a spring 2004

DVD release. This version contained new additions

like a previously unseen footage and removed

subplot and was to be a bit darker with an R

rating. The film was released with DTS and Dolby

Digital Sound. The new version of the film has

newly recorded commentary to accompany it featuring

Mark Steven Johnson and Avi Arad. A making of

Director's Cut featurette also accompanied the

film. The release date of the DVD was later pushed

back to November 30th of 2004. On September 30th,

2008, the Director's Cut was released on Blu

-ray. The DVD release of the Director's Cut removed

the wealth of the bonus material included on

the theatrical cut's DVD release, but it was

restored for the Blu -ray release, although the

Blu -ray release only contains the Director's

Cut. As I said before, the Director's Cut...

It doesn't tie everything off nicely. It's a

complete story to the film. Because like I said

before, in the theatrical version, you're like,

oh wait, how did that happen if nothing happened

before it? With this, the whole story is there.

Yeah, I mean, it can just pick up if it wants

to, but it's a nice self -contained movie. Yes.

And as you said, with the sequel, In July 2006,

Michael Clarke Duncan showed interest in returning

for the role of Kingpin, but stated that he would

not be willing to gain weight as he felt comfortable.

Being down to 270 pounds, however, he jokingly

showed willingness to change his mind if he was

offered $20 million. Duncan suggested that the

character is portrayed to have been training

a lot in jail in order to become faster to combat

against Daredevil, also working as a way to fit

in his weight loss into the story. As you said

before, Jason Statham has expressed interest

in appearing in Daredevil in the future. I don't

know if I could see the transporter as Daredevil.

Like I said, this Jason Statham just doesn't,

he's not Matt Murdock. He could play a very physical

daredevil where he's doing all the amazing stunt

work, but Matt Murdock is, to me, the everyman.

Actually, you know who would make a bad daredevil?

Matt Damon. Think about that. I mean, he pulls

it off as Jason Bourne. No, I know. I think he'd

be a rather interesting choice for it. I'm trying

to think of other people who would be a half

-decent Daredevil. You want someone who's the

everyday guy, who doesn't... I'm trying to think...

No, that wouldn't work. I was about to say the

guy from 300. No, no, no, no, no. Though he'd

kind of make a cool bullseye, too, actually.

Actually, you know who's one character we haven't

talked about? Foggy Nelson, Jon Favreau. Yeah,

I mentioned it, but we didn't really go into

great detail. That was another great bit of casting.

Yeah. Because he totally pulls it off because

he's a goofy sidekick and he knows it. Yep. And

that's one thing I thought was kind of, you know,

I really can't think of anybody who's really

acting in Hollywood right now who I'd recommend

outside of Matt Damon for a Daredevil. Yeah.

I guess we can talk about the music for this,

for the actual soundtrack of it. I've got the

list pulled up here. You've got, now, not all

of these songs were in the film. Some were, some

weren't. You've got Fuel, The Calling, Saliva,

Seether, Nickelback, Drowning Pool featuring

Rob Zombie, Nappy Roots, Moby, Evanescence, Chevelle,

Hoobastank, Revis, Boy Sets Fire, Autopilot Off,

Graham Revell. Actually, the... The version of

the Daredevil theme on the soundtrack, the remix,

the Blind Justice remix, it's Graham Reville

and Mike Enzinger from Incubus doing it. And

then, of course, Finger Eleven, Endo, and Twelve

Stones. I love this soundtrack. It's just an

awesome, awesome soundtrack. I actually like

15 out of the 20 tracks, and the majority of

them are the rock songs mixed in with the Evanescence

and the Graham Revel remix. As you said, this

pretty much launched Evanescence's career. Yeah,

just because this was one of the... This soundtrack

came along at just the right time, and I don't

think Evanescence was popular locally where they

were from, but this really launched them to where

they were recognizable. They got a shitload of

radio play from this, and it was, like I said,

just one of the best soundtracks. ever for a

Marvel movie. And Spider -Man 1 had a great soundtrack,

but at the same time, it was very forgettable

outside of the top three songs. The Daredevil

soundtrack is consistently strong right across

the board here. I mean, there was one song, I

don't think that was on the soundtrack. It took

me years to find. It was the scene where the

kingpin's being introduced. Right. And the song

is called Lap Dance by Nerd, I think, does it.

And I thought that was just a great just track

to introduce the kingpin. Plus the won't back

down by fuel. That pretty much sums up the entire

movie. And lastly, another really great song

off this track was Right Before Your Eyes by

Hoobastank. Because like I said, this also sums

up the Matt Murdock character's struggle to be

everything that his dad envisioned for that hope

for redemption. And it's just a great song in

general. I mean, the times I've decided to woo

a few girls, I've used that before just by going

at that song karaoke style. It works nine times

out of ten, but what can I say? Before you were

almost married, correct? Before I was almost

married. But overall, it's such a decent soundtrack.

There hasn't been that many memorable ones since.

I mean, I can't remember anything super memorable

with any of the past Marvel movies. I mean, The

Punisher had Evanescence, or actually it had

Cedar featuring Amy Lee for Broken. Yeah. And

I can't remember anything outside of the Iron

Man soundtrack, outside of, you know, Black Sabbath,

Iron Man, but that song's been around forever.

I can't remember a soundtrack for a Marvel movie

breaking a single. Now, if I'm wrong, completely

call me on it. But think about that. There wasn't

anything memorable about the Incredible Hulk

soundtrack. Or Hulk. Yeah, in either of them,

there's nothing memorable. In X -Men Origins

Wolverine, nothing memorable. But they didn't

use pop music for that soundtrack. But still,

I make my case in the fact that for a popcorn

movie, Daredevil did it right and Spider -Man

did it right, and yet the Punisher soundtrack

didn't capture the same... popularity as Daredevil

because there were a lot of really good hit singles

off this that received a lot of radio play. There

are two songs off of Punisher. that I will always

listen to when I feel like listening to them.

One of them more in particular than the other,

obviously the see their Amy Lee, uh, uh, crossover

with, uh, broken Nickelback had a song on there

only cause I'm a Nickelback fan, whatever it's

called slow motion. And I thought that was a

really awesome song. I don't believe it was featured

in the film, but I just think, you know, well,

anyway, um, now that I'm looking at this track

listing, cause I'm looking at the, um, file you

sent me. It's the easiest way to pull up the

track listing. All of these artists, like Fuel,

The Calling, Saliva, Seether, Nickelback, Drowning

Pool featuring Rob Zombie, Chevelle, Hoobastank,

Revis, they all, Finger Eleven, Twelve Stones,

they all had either albums upcoming in 2003 or

2004. So basically this was a preview of saying,

hey, Here's all these artists that you may or

may not like that are coming out with new albums

coming soon. Because, as we said, this was released

February 14, 2003. Nickelback's The Long Road

dropped in September of that year. Yeah. And

Learn the Hard Way was just an awesome, awesome

song that they fit into the Josie's Bar scene.

It was broken up with sound effects for part

of it, for part of the battle. To me, Nickelback

in movies, they show up in some strange places

because I completely didn't even see this coming.

Well, it's actually kind of funny you mention

this. I've actually had this conversation with

Pierce the Punk Dirks because he is a musician.

A lot of times directors and people involved

in the movie have no choice of what appears in

a soundtrack. It's whatever the studio executives

want. Right. And a really good example of this

is look at Transformers 2. And in one scene where

Sam's walking through the dorms, there's fucking

Green Day playing. Green Day has no place in

a Transformers movie. I mean, I love Link and

Parker. I love them to death. Do they belong

in a Transformers movie? It's debatable. In the

first one, it made sense. In the second one,

not so much. But still, point being is, a lot

of these soundtracks, they're made up by record

executives that want to sell records, and occasionally

they hit a fantastic mix. And occasionally they

pick complete garbage. I mean, speaking of garbage,

I'm just looking at the soundtrack for Elektra

right now, and it is nothing but B -sides. Now,

you know, for me... With the Daredevil soundtrack,

because obviously, as I've said before, it was

right before the new Nickelback album came out.

We hadn't actually had anything from Nickelback

outside of Radio Overplaying, How You Remind

Me So Much, because it had been two years since

Silver Side Up had come out. I like the fact

that they used the B -side and not really a single,

not a cover. I mean, it's one of those tracks.

It's like one of those hidden gems. Like, you

know, you go to, you know, whatever your all's

equivalence is to GameStop all the time up there

in Canada, and you'll find gems in the used games

bin, right? Or you'll find stuff that you've

been looking for for, say, I don't know, 15,

20 years, whatever. And if you find it, you're

like, oh, wow, that's a hidden gem. That's what

Learn the Hard Way was for me on this soundtrack.

And it was also saying, hey, Nickelback, we're

coming back. It was kind of like advertising

for their new album, even though that song wasn't

even on the album. And then, of course, Saliva.

I don't know when their second album came out,

so I don't know if they had one coming up. The

Calling, Fuel, just all these. Actually, it's

funny. This song, the Drowning Pool song featuring

Rob Zombie, The Man Without Fear, is the only

Drowning Pool song that I can listen to post

-Dave Williams dying. I cannot stand the new

Drowning Pool singers. They just suck. I'm sorry,

they do. Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. I mean, just

since the original guy passed away, it hasn't

been the same group. No, not at all. It's been

so different. So, so different. But anyway, just

overall with Daredevil, just an awesome, awesome

soundtrack. It's a great movie if you're a Daredevil

fan. And even if you're not, I would say... Get

the director's cut more than the theatrical version

just because it is just so much better. It's

more involved. Now, do you have the option to

view the theatrical version on the director's

cut DVD or is it just purely the director's cut?

Oh, it's just purely – it's like a completely

separate DVD from the theatrical version. But

if – I mean, I have both versions because I wanted

the special features from the two -disc edition

of the theatrical cut. I just found the director's

cut one day at Best Buy. I'm like, huh? What's

this? See, it's one of those movies I've seen

in the $5 bin at Walmart many times. I'm kicking

myself in the ass. I didn't pick that up or Hellboy

director's cut. See, I'm of the mind that...

And we've already covered Punisher on the Marvel

Spotlight, which is not the way I wanted to do

it. I wanted to basically do it the way that

they released the movies like X -Men 2000, Spider

-Man 2002, blah, blah, blah. When I was looking

for the Punisher at Best Buy a couple years ago...

I saw the original theatrical version, and then

I saw another version in a special edition packaging

called the extended cut. That basically does

the exact same thing that this Daredevil director's

cut does, where it includes an additional 17

minutes of footage worked into the story, and

it was just a better... It made The Punisher

2004 much, much better than the theatrical version.

And that's the great thing about the DVD market

and the online market, or whatever you want to

call it, is that people can go back. Mark Steven

Johnson said in the theatrical version that there

are so many things that I would go back and change.

Well, DVD market is if you have a saved cut.

Most movies have two or three cuts before the

final cut, correct? Yeah, I mean, there's at

least, there's the editor's cut, there's the

director's cut, and then it takes a while for

them to get to final picture lock, which is where

this is the movie, now you can color correct

it and do whatever else you've got to do to it.

So there's usually two or three cuts that exist

before it's finalized. Right, correct. So, I

mean, and it's great to have this on. on a, you

know, especially DVD market where, you know,

hey, if you like the first film, here's a more

involved story. Here's what it really makes the

film better. And it's, I mean, I guess I'm pretty

much done on my Daredevil thoughts. I would rate

it, I would rate the theatrical cut probably

an overall 7 out of 10, and I would rate the

director's cut a 9 out of 10, only because of

the story elements. The fact that they include

extra story and it ties it off much better. Having

only seen the theatrical, I'm going to go with

you and say probably about a seven. Yeah, yeah.

I guess before we close out this episode, we

can mention Elektra. It sucked. And it's terrible,

too, because Elektra has a really awesome backstory.

And Jennifer Garner is a wonderful actress when

she gets a really meaty role. I mean, we've seen

her act in some other stuff before. I don't know

what happened with Elektra. I mean, the wheels

just fell off before it even got going. And the

director, Rob Bowman, I'm just taking a look

and seeing what he's done. So just give me a

sec here. He's done the X -Files film. The first

one was awesome. He directed the Lone Gunman

TV show. He directed the pilot. That was awesome.

And he's done a lot of really good X -Men movies.

Sorry, a lot of good X -Files. He even did episodes

of Briscoe County Junior. Yeah. So it's not like

he doesn't know how to direct. Yeah. And I don't

know what the fuck happened. I mean, this guy

should have had a lot more to work with. I mean,

maybe he just had a really shitty script, and

I don't know what happened. I mean, this movie,

it got really dumb because basically, all right,

here it is. Elektra's back from the dead, blah.

She has to go out and kill somebody, but she...

gets close to them because she finds out, oh,

they're not that bad people. Something changes

her mind. General Zod shows up, a .k .a. Stick,

or Terrence Stamp, if you prefer. And all these

assassins from The Hand, which is woven into

the Daredevil storyline, basically the secret

group of uber -assassins. So they start sending

the, like, freak squad against them. So a guy

who's, like, basically built of stone, a guy

who can use tattoos and animals, another guy

who's, like, this uber sword master and typhoid

Mary who poisons everything. She gets near and

kills everything. I don't know. The movie just

gets dumb because it turns into Elektra Jr. at

one point where she meets the 13 -year -old daughter

of the assassination person she's supposed to

kill, Abby, and she can do Elektra -type crap.

She's flinging stuff through the air. She's moving

super fast and has this little whip thing, this

bracelet that turns into a light whip. So basically

she's like... channeling simon and trevor belmont

from castlevania and it gets ridiculous like

the stupidest death in this movie is this guy

who can take a shotgun blast right to the chest

and not feel anything is killed by a tree falling

on him stone it's just it's so dumb and there's

just so many genuinely stupid moments in this

movie and like i said i really wanted electro

to kick ass i saw this with one of my fiancés

years ago, and we both looked at each other in

the theater and went, what the fuck is this?

I mean, I walked out of the theater laughing.

Just hearing you describe it, not your actual

description, but just hearing you describe the

events, I'm sitting here shaking my head. It's

so dumb. I mean, and when Terrence Stamp shows

up, I'm like, dude, this guy will do anything

for money now, I'm convinced. General Zod no

longer means anything to me. I mean, it's so

terrible. And the only part of this movie I thought

was really cool is how Carrie... Tagawa shows

up, and that's Shang Tsung from Mortal Kombat.

Yep. And that's about the only cool part about

this movie. Otherwise, it's ridiculous action

scene after ridiculous action scene. And, I don't

know, just Jennifer Garner, she's a wonderful

martial artist. She knows what she's doing. But

her size in this movie seems so out of place.

I mean, just, ugh. And plus, that red costume

was kind of overkill, I think. It looks good

in a comic book, not in real life. No, not at

all. I mean, they even referenced it in Daredevil,

though. I mean, she doesn't... Yeah, she wears

it in the rooftop scene. She wears a red dress,

which Mark Steven Johnson said that it was a

notation to the Elektra costume in the comics,

but it isn't so noticeable that it is so overbearing

like it was in Elektra. Honestly, even though

you just described Elektra, I remember watching

it, but I don't remember any of the films. The

most memorable part for me will be Spunky Electra

Jr., a .k .a. Abby. It's just so dumb. Yes. So,

so, so dumb. And like I said, I wanted this movie

to kick ass. Electra, Jennifer Garner. Now she

can cut loose and kill some motherfuckers. No,

this could have been a Disney movie because it

was just so – just fucking terrible. One thing

I do want to mention about the Daredevil film

that I forgot to mention. In one of the special

features when they're talking about the behind

the scenes and the master Chen Yen wire team

from Hong Kong and all this other stuff, Michael

Clarke Duncan comes on the screen and says –

Yeah, when Jennifer Gardner was doing that fight

with Ben Affleck, after she did that run up the

wall and flip off, I said, oh, that's it. I can't

mess with her no more. She's great at doing her

own stunts. She is the female version of Jackie

Chan doing her own stunts. Oh, yeah, she loves

that physical work because she has the background

from Alias and then just her other stuff. Actually,

there was something kind of funny from the DVD

commentary. The director is talking about the

fight choreographer, and there's the translator,

and they want to do this awesome fight scene,

but they have five days. So the director asks

the guy, well, how long is it going to take to

choreograph this fight? And the guy says 21 days.

He's like, well, how about five days? And the

fight choreographer says something very nasty.

And the translator says – he says he'll take

it under consideration. And the director ends

up saying, I know fuck you when I hear it. It

doesn't matter what language it's in. I know

that. And I just found that was tremendously

funny. Actually, speaking of weird behind -the

-scenes things, there was a story they were telling

on the DVD. where one of the producers got picked

up by a clown. Yeah. And he just, John Wayne

Gacy just stared at him and didn't say a word,

going through downtown L .A. being driven by

a clown. Yeah. And a male stripper dressed up

in a Starbucks uniform. Yeah. Yeah. See, that's

one thing I love hearing about from these behind

-the -scenes. You really get a behind -the -scenes

look. I mean, like I said, Michael Clarke Duncan

saying, Jennifer Garner is awesome. And one of

the other behind -the -scenes things was after

Elektra was released, Michael Vartan, who was

one of the co -stars on Alias, was dating Jennifer

Garner. And they'd broken up, and I think she

was with Ben Affleck at the time. She even said,

this movie's shit. Yeah. You had mentioned, we

were talking about this last night, and we're

going to reschedule for this evening to do this.

You had mentioned we can talk about the whole

Bennifer thing. Technically, the whole Bennifer

thing was him and Lopez, not him and Sartner.

Yeah, sorry. I just thought it was, well, they

both have the same first name. I know, I know,

but still, still. Actually, they are still married.

They are, and I think they have a daughter now,

don't they? They do. So there you go. I mean,

yay for Hollywood marriages working out. I mean,

but at the same time, actually, Ben Affleck actually

did film scenes for Elektra, but they were cut.

Deleted scene. It's on the DVD as a deleted scene,

so yeah. But at least it's there, I guess. Yeah,

I don't know. Elektra, it's probably best that

she stays in obscurity. In fact, this movie bombed

almost as bad as Howard the fucking Duck. Which

is depressing. But still, I'm trying to think

of other things that could go with this franchise.

I mean, ultimately, Daredevil needs a follow

-up. I mean, the second movie could be as good

as Spider -Man 2 or The Dark Knight. I mean,

the best types of movies seem to happen in twos,

whereas the shit ones go to three. Okay, yeah,

we already discussed that. We're not going to

go back into how you hate Spider -Man 3. We know.

Fuck you, Sam Raimi. Anyway, but – Oh, go ahead.

No, I'm just saying this is a franchise that

needs to come back. I'd love to see The Punisher

and Daredevil get together because in the comics

they're very antagonistic. The Punisher does

things his way. Daredevil does things his way.

Daredevil will beat people up and bring them

to the police. The Punisher will shoot them right

in the fucking coconut. So you can see there's

a bit of a thing. I mean, justice is served my

way. Justice is served my way. So you can get

a lot of really cool friction there, and it would

be a really awesome movie maybe playing them

off each other. But once again, you need the

right director and the right screenwriter to

drive this the way that it needs to. I mean,

I'm not saying you want maybe David Goyer writing

it because he does everything Marvel and DC and

everything. So maybe give it to somebody else

who really cares about it. I mean, I'd like to

see what Nick Santora could do from Prison Break

if I had to pick a writer. But I don't know.

I mean, ultimately, this franchise needs to go

on. Yeah, for me, it's not so much. Yeah, it

is the story, but it really for me, it's more

of who's going to actually play him. Because

now that I've seen Ben in the role, I go basically

and say to myself, OK, that's who plays Daredevil.

I can't see anybody else. Just like we said last

week in the Spider -Man episode, we can't see

anybody else playing Spider -Man in the Ramiverse

other than Tobey Maguire. It's the same thing.

And I'm not a fan of Marvel's reboots. Well,

the main one I'm not a fan of is Punisher Warzone.

I could give a shit less about that movie. I

just think it was a bad choice for the lead guy,

and the fact that the movie never took itself

seriously. I mean, blowing somebody up in midair

with a rocket launcher is funny in Halo, not

funny on a movie screen the way that you want

it to be. No. No. So I think I am going to be

putting some of the music together into a little

clip. You will hear that, and then we will go

into the closing. We'll be right back. Daredevil,

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Ambassador Kosh on Babylon 5. Also Patricia Tallman,

also from Babylon 5. I remember her most from

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