The Rocky Franchise Review

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anyway, but we are here and as I've said in episode

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forward after 129, going from 130 to 150, not

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the next 20 episodes are gonna be kinda going

towards films we've never covered in MWIRE's

8 year history, film franchises, things like

that. And we're gonna start off with a franchise

now that is 41 years old. Oh my god. uh... and

that is the rocky franchise yes that's right

we're just a couple of homes talking about a

couple of boxing was actually seven boxing movies

i watched all seven of these in seventy two hours

folks no joke and that's the you want to know

what i get on top you know uh... uh... well the

first four i watched within process of the five

what's the first like on the on the friday night

Then Saturday from Saturday morning till about

from 8 a .m. Till about 6 p .m. I watched the

second through the fourth one and then Sunday

I watched Five and six and then earlier today

or well, we're recording this on a Monday night

folks But it'll be released on next Sunday night.

Anyway, I had watched I had watched Creed you

know, on the last day so it would be fresh, but

this was always a franchise for me that I knew

of it, I knew what it was, I knew that it was

Sylvester Stallone, but as a kid I was always

more into the Rambo movies than I was the Rocky

movies. What was your experience with these films

growing up? I watched them a good deal. They

were just was a TNT they were on or TBS like

ad nauseam all the time Something like that necessarily

sat down and watch one like from start to finish

a lot But I did like catch them a great deal,

especially rocky 4. I think I watched that I

don't know how many times and See, we'll get

into it. But I feel like you know, the the later

the franchise comes some more more boxing there

is So I watched those a lot and I thought like

for a long part of my life I've seen all the

boxing the rocky films but I realized in like

years later and when I actually got uh rocky

one for a friend and who was a huge rocky fan

and we sat down to watch it we both kind of realized

we never actually sat down and watched rocky

one from start to finish but like I I've seen

bits and pieces of them a great deal I think

I was probably more Don't know if I was more

rocky than Rambo there are probably a little

bit I was probably along the same line to you

more fan of a Rambo than I was rocky but I Did

know it well enough and knew all the references

of course because it's so ingrained in pop culture.

Oh, yeah, so but yeah, I did I did I did catch

a good amount I wasn't like a huge huge rocky

fan, but you know I didn't they were like, you

know, if something was on I was kind of bored

on a Saturday afternoon Yeah, I mean, going back

for me and like Dan said, folks, we'll get into

it in more detail here later, but going back

and watching all of these from start to finish

within, like I said, three or four days, I just

assumed these were Sylvester Stallone boxing

movies. Like, I did not really realize that there

was an overarching character building story.

Through at least the first six because Creed

is Creed is the seventh film but it's more so

focused on the next generation and we'll get

to that at the end but like the first six movies

and to a lesser extent maybe not necessarily

a lesser extent Creed is also but the way I look

at the first six is is that We have Rockies rise

There's a point in the middle there where he

kind of falls and falters and then he has a comeback

and things like that and everything else, but

yeah, I just thought with everything that is

in pop culture about this franchise that that's

all it was. That it was just, you know, the boxing

stuff and everything else and it's way more than

that. To get things out of the way... Kind of

surprising theatrical release dates for all of

these films the first one was December 3rd of

76 Second one was June 15th of 79. So it was

kind of a summer blockbuster The third one was

May 28th of 82 fourth one fourth fifth and sixth

one are all November and December 85 90 and 06

and then Creed obviously was November of 15 so

did they Were they aiming to for this to be summer

or winter blockbusters or because most outside

of two of them They're all released in the later

part of the year. Well, the first one wasn't

I mean the Rocky the very first Rocky kind of

came out of nowhere it was Nowhere thought to

be the franchise starter or anything of that

nature. I mean, I think what people need to realize

is that Before Rocky, sports films were few and

far between. I mean, there were some, but not

the extent of Rocky. I mean, Rocky was nominated

for Best Picture. It was not considered a blockbuster.

It was considered like a serious drama. It made

a lot of money. Don't don't get me wrong. But

it was considered considered a serious movie.

It was nominated that year and won against, you

know, four amazing films with Network, All the

President's Men and taxi driver, which you know

are Freaking amazing movies and I would argue

were better than Rocky But it ended up winning

that year and I think for a lot of reasons But

it made bank big big time. It made Sylvester

Stallone a huge star thinking and it set the

bar I think for Boxing films and for sports movies,

you know people didn't you know at that point

there are a few of them actually there's a lot

of comparisons to this and there's a Paul Newman

movie called someone thing up there likes me

and there's a lot of a lot of similarities between

the character rocky and that character but then

after that hit they try to recreate it with rocky

2 and that was at the time the highest grossing

sequel when it came out for quite a while and

kind of just kept the ball rolling. And the more

movie they made, the more the kind of power that

Sylvester Stallone took. And he always said it

was kind of a reflection of his career. For each

film, like you mentioned, there's this kind of

through line that you certainly see of the Rocky

character, but. Originally it wasn't set out

to be this, you know, it's just like little movie

that could there wasn't a lot of hype behind

it But it got an audience. It struck a chord

with people I think because of its message at

the time. It was something a little bit different,

you know it the 70s films tended to be very Depressing

and a dark injury where this was not so much

that I mean it wasn't the first Rocky film isn't

like happy -go -lucky is nowhere near what movies

become but certainly a little bit more uplifting.

So it just kind of went from there. It became

the machine that it is. Yeah, and like I said,

it's essentially a peak and valley of that character's

life. The story of Rocky in the movies is his

ups and downs. So it's one of those things where

it's his life path that we see come through all

of these films. uh... the directors of these

uh... i was really surprised is i don't when

i go back and watch stuff for whatever else i'll

notice things but when i go back and watch something

else and notice the same thing cuz folks we've

already recorded the karate kid episode which

will be episode one thirty four i was shocked

going back to this to learn that john avildsen

was directing the first rocky in rocky five million

and i know that guy is the guy that directed

the three carat kid movies which let's be honest

are heavily influenced by this franchise for

sure the uh... absolutely uh... and then so this

is the loan directed two three four in belboa

and then ryan kugler directed creed uh... Two

three and four and Balboa will like I said we'll

get into our in -depth discussion of each of

the films here in a minute But Sylvester Stallone

directing these films Honestly, I didn't mind

it a Couple of me actually had writing in directing

credits on it. It's not all of them and it works

because you would think by If a star is gonna

take interest like, more interest than just,

oh, hey, I'm in this movie, you know, then they're

gonna wanna, you know, have their opinion heard

about how they think the story should go. And

I think throughout the entire franchise, Stallone

has had, you know, the same thing of Rocky's

story as, you know, he never gives up, you know,

and all that. So stars of the film, we're not

going to go through all of them, I just have

a small list here obviously. Throughout all of

the original films, up until I think five, we

have Talia Shire as Adrian, Sylvester Stallone

as Rocky, Burt Young, Burgess Meredith, hey the

penguin! Carl Weathers, Tony Burton, and Michael

B. Jordan was Creed. in the new movie there uh

the budget and box office for this franchise

is over 41 years is astounding folks total budget

154 .8 million total box office 1 .47 billion

dollars yes folks this is a billion dollar franchise

um now Going back to some of these, did you have

a favorite? Did you have a favorite character?

Did you have a favorite cast member? Did you

think any of the cast was not right for whatever

part that they had played? Well, as a kid, the

movie I always loved the most was Rocky IV, because,

you know, it's the movie that ended the Cold

War. It had the, you know, Drago was... It was

a super villain really he was he was basically

a mutant terminator Character, uh, it had that

classic america versus russia story of the time

So that was always my favorite growing up favorite

character. I mean rocky is always there Did always

love burgess meredith and apollo creed So those

are those are probably my favorite were there

any characters that I felt didn't fit their role.

Um Not necessarily. There may be certain, like,

for example, Rocky Balboa, where they've made

certain decisions with characters that I felt

were kind of weird, relationship -wise with Rocky,

that we can get into. But I thought casting -wise,

it was pretty steady, especially for the first

film, kind of set the stage. These are just average,

you know, general people for the most part. You

know, Rocky and Adrian, they're not superstars.

They're not like your... Typical a list Hollywood

type of characters like you know Which I think

made it made it seem a little bit more realistic

and down -to -earth Obviously it changes as time

goes on but that makes sense because that falls

in line with the characters Yeah, but uh, so

I don't know but how about yourself? Um, I mean,

yeah, I like pretty much all the characters You're

supposed to like, you know, like you said Rocky

Apollo Adrian Mickey there's one character the

entire franchise i think up until the last film

he was in i could severely do without and that's

her brother pauli oh my god that guy yeah i think

pauli's the character that they he ends up being

like he's very easy to dislike and uh Sometimes

he feels like he doesn't really need to be there

at all It's almost like very young has something

on Sarasota Shalone, and he just feels bad for

him for getting in those movies because he just

you know He causes Rocky lose all his money,

and you know he's hate. He's jealous of Rocky.

He's just not he's a very dislikable character

So I don't I don't disagree and that's not necessarily

performance wise but just no just the care just

the character yeah Yeah, I think well in a lot

of these a lot of the films Yeah, I mean just

the character of Polly it has nothing to do with

Burt's acting ability at all I mean he acted

the role he was supposed to act. It's just the

role that he has is a guy you love to hate and

it's one of those things where I Didn't feel

any sympathy remorse or any kind of good feelings

about Polly until the very end I think it's like,

I think it's in Balboa when Rocky goes back to

all the old haunts and things like that and they

have that moment where Rocky basically tells

him, you know, it's like it was yesterday for

me and Paulie's like, well it was hell for me,

you know. So it wasn't until that moment that

I actually, you know, felt something other than

just pure rage and hatred towards the character.

So getting into getting into rocky one is we're

gonna jump or not jump the shark here I Had forgotten

how movies were made in the old days Nowadays,

we're so used to everything being fast -paced

action But this actually tickets takes its time

and builds the fight story and the love story

all at the same time I because most movies today

folks, you know Bing -bam -boom and it's done

You know, but now you know going back and looking

at this I'd forgotten how well this was paced

Yeah, like it's interesting too with the first

Rockies that there's very little boxing in it

actually, I mean just the last Ten minutes or

so. I mean, I think you could argue the first

Rocky isn't even a sports film It's movie that

has boxing in it, but it's not it's more of a

love story than it is an actual sports drama

And character study and I think it very very

much fit into the time It is very much 70s film

from the look of it from the film stock from

the direction And I think you we start to lose

that or you know, it starts to evolve with the

time I mean, this is like you said a franchise

that's been around for 40 years but I do think

it's kind of a somewhat of a shock when you go

back and watch the first rocky and you especially

if you watch any of the other ones and realize

Wow, this is this is nothing like the other movies.

This is much like you said slower pace. It's

more deliberate with scripting in the sense of

character building and really the montage stuff

the fighting really is in the background for

much of the movie. Well because most of the story

as you said outside of the love story angle most

of the story is is him getting his shot is him

working towards getting his shot we see that

he's a he's a mob enforcer and obviously you

know Mickey wants better for him and and everything

else and he wants better for himself and you

know he then you know convinces Mickey to have

him train and then we have the Adrian angle and

all that and that's really my only gripe about

the first film is that the Rocky Adrian stuff

in the first film is really awkward and sometimes

it came off a little creepy to me on his end

because It's just the way the character talks

in the way that Sloan's voice is and it's just

like because in the first movie and We see her

change throughout all all the films that she's

in but in the first movie She looks nothing like

she looks in later films like she had a complete

transformation From this film to the second film

third film and so on and so forth I don't disagree

with you like It is super awkward like in purpose

purposely, but there are times where I think

it's meant to be kind of charming where it's

it's still really awkward and I think the performance

is working, but it's just It's hard to like not

cringe. It just because rocky just you know You're

like is he being playful or is he kind of just

being a creepier and is he? pushing things a

little bit too far. You almost wonder too if

she's like mentally unstable at times just with

their like inability to communicate with people.

And I don't know, it is, it is strange for sure.

I mean, obviously once they build the relationship

and once they have the ice skating moment and

they have a few other moments, it's fine. But

like those first few times in the pet shop, Oh

my God, I made my skin crawl a couple of times

because she's not used to anybody I guess paying

attention to her or anything like that or whatever

and and Him, you know, we think of Rocky as this,

you know immortalized guy this you know, the

the superstar boxer and In the beginning he wasn't

that at all He was just an awkward, awkward guy.

He was kind of a bum. He was a bum. I mean, he

was a mob enforcer that wasn't really good at

it. And he got his shot simply because of his

nickname. It wasn't that he was a good boxer.

It was just, you know, he did. Apollo Creed wanted

someone kind of easy to fight that would get

the job done and picked it. Like that's I don't

know. That's something interesting about that,

too, is, you know, it's just how It goes and

I think why the movie was so appealing at the

time It was the idea of kind of falls in line

with that American dream of taking an opportunity

and doing what you can with it And I think that's

why I resonated with people so much. Yeah Despite

the all the awkward romantic elements of the

movie and the stuff with Apollo in this first

movie again I had I had only seen bits and pieces

of this I until I watched this for this podcast

I had never actually seen this all the way through

i've seen what everybody else's seen all the

all the boxing stuff all the stuff that is in

pop culture so learning and watching this and

finding out that apollo creed while he is the

champion he's also trying to figure out okay

who am i gonna fight next what am i gonna do

here when and i like that i think that's interesting

uh... i almost think it's a little shady because

it seems like the way they will that he was going

into that fight was was that okay this guy's

just going to lay down for me because I'm the

champ. Well I think he just thought he was so

it would be like you know the New England Patriots

coming in playing your local like flag football

team or something like that you know so a day

in the day he never thought it would really have

a shot you know he's a professional he's the

best in the world going against some guy so yeah

I thought it would be a quick fight he would

go down and that was not the case. What else

did you like about this first one? I mean, it's

hard not to say the score. Bill Conti is of course

known for its scores, known for the songs that

get released with it, and a lot of people have

their favorite. I think my favorite is still

the original. It's just kind of simple to the

point effective and it did it did really popularize

the montage in this I think they get better and

there's and there's much more the scope of them

get larger as the films go on but yeah I just

like how it kind of set the stage for what's

to come Yeah, Bill Conti did the score in almost

all of them. I think the only one he didn't do

it in was Rocky for at least out of the first

six the only one he didn't do it in Rocky for

it was Rocky for That was Vince DiCola, and then

Ludwig Garandson did the score for Creed. I gotta

say, after watching all of these movies, back

to back to back to back to back, if I never hear

the Rocky theme again, I will be the happiest

guy on earth. I love the theme, I think it's

great, but oh my god. I got so tired of it after

a while. Yeah, especially they use it more and

more and more Mm -hmm where the first film it's

you know, it's it's much more reserved it You

know, it reminds me of like the I'm trying to

think of another theme that gets overused as

the franchise just go on Give me back to the

future. I don't know. That's something we that's

a first thing that pops in my head But I don't

even know if that's true or not I wouldn't say

that's true because there were only three films

in that and they Mix it a little bit better.

Now if you're talking about back to the future

culture And using the theme everywhere? Yeah,

sure. I'm trying to think of other themes of

this era. I mean, the go -to would be something

like Superman. Yeah. That, you know, well, John

Williams score, of course, but that, I think,

gets, it really gets kind of overused by the

third and fourth film a little bit. But yeah,

anything else that you liked about the first

Rocky movie? Well the one thing that I mean I

like the fight I think the fights great I think

the problem with this movie was though I If I

had to actually go back and rewind it to figure

out What they actually said who won the split

decision because I could not hear Over the entire

crowd and that's the other thing I want to talk

about I'm gonna talk about in all the movies

I'm gonna highlight it here and I'll talk about

it later once they get a better announcer but

some of the Microphones that they've used in

this like the mic of the drop -down mic that

they use in this and whoever the announcer is

and a couple of the other ones In this first

movie sounds like crap The sound on the microphone

and what the guy is saying I could I could make

it out I understood him, but it just sounded

like utter crap Yeah, that's more of an issue.

I think of the the sound mixing yeah and it would

be of the actual answer and wondering i'm not

saying it's it's the actors fall i'm saying that

the sound itself there is a huge issue with that

uh... so getting into the second film my first

thought was and maybe it's because i've already

watched the karate kid thing so i've already

seen how avidson dot or at well at at Avildsen

didn't direct this one, so... But going to Karate

Kid and going back to this, what I notice is,

at this time, filmmaking was a hell of a lot

different. When you had a sequel, you had a complete

setup of, like, the first ten minutes is recapping

the first film. Which, I don't mind in this ins...

Like, if this was a movie today, yeah, I would

mind it, but... In this instance, since these

movies came out, what is it, three years between

each, yeah, two came out in 79. So it was three

years. So I understand why they're using the

recap and just showing the end of the first film

and bringing it into the second film. I like

that. I'm glad as time went on, they kind of

almost went away from it, though, a little bit.

Yeah, I mean, it happened again in Rocky III,

but I think they, like... I think what they really

try to do and then they establish it here is

that It's the canoe continuation of one, you

know, the one ends and the other one bleeds right

into it. Mm -hmm And I kind of like that idea

in theory. I do think this one maybe recaps a

little bit too much It goes back a little bit

too far and it does become somewhat tedious again

Like you said it you do have to consider it's

made for a different time When you don't have

home theater where you're not watching movies

on Netflix where the last time you saw that movie

probably was Four or five years ago. So maybe

you do need a recap but I do think the change

in the director is kind of noticeable when you

have the scenes from the previous film and this

one and I think Stallone is a better writer than

he is director at least at this point in some

of the shots and the original and then this one

aren't as strong it just they seem off like even

just like the framing seems off at times it just

doesn't look like it was really meticulously

put together like people just seem like they're

in the wrong spot but And I think too like the

first 20 30 minutes of this movie He talked about

the first one taking its time and and I think

it made sense within the story I do think like

this like this the second one suffers from like

it seems almost lost in what it wants to be And

like it takes a while to get to what rocky's

story is gonna be in rocky 2 And like you know,

like what is he gonna accomplish here? Like they

have some drama here and there and some things

I just don't think it work as well like there's

the him trying to I like the idea of him trying

to use the fame of almost winning and can be

quitting boxing and becoming just like this guy

but when he fails because he can't read and it

just I don't know it seemed a little bit forced

to me a little unnecessary yeah it did and it's

one of those things where It puts him on a path

of wanting to go back to boxing and what's great

about this movie is how, like you said, how the

recap bleeds into the current events of Apollo

saying, oh, you're a chicken. He doesn't say

chicken, but you know what I mean. He basically

calls Rocky out, I want a rematch, but you said

no rematches, blah, blah, blah. I think this

film... works in the sense of Apollo want the

Apollo Rocky thing has always been which one

of them is going to win and how many times they

can win against each other and there only there

only is really the first film in the second film

that that does that because Apollo won the first

time rocky wins this time and then later I think

it's in four right That they have this because

it's F. No. It's in Rocky 3. They have their

rematch that we don't know that. Yeah, the secret

fight. Okay. Yeah, because that was when Mickey

dies Yeah, so, I mean I like this I think it's

interesting I think the way the story is told

with him and Adrian that's coming along nicely

Like you said the things that kind of diminish

it is Trying to take the story in a direction

of him trying to be in real life without a high

school education and things like that and let's

face it this character is more street smart than

book smart obviously but they turn that into

something really good because eventually once

she says that she's pregnant then he wants his

kid to be smarter than what he I really hate

to say it folks but Rocky is a Forrest Gump beefcake

Sorry, but that's just the way it is I'm sure

I'm sure he's happy Well, he's not as he's not

as dumb as forest but You got to admit him wanting

his kid to be better than what he was He's not

the he's not the brightest bulb and bulb of course,

and I think he's well aware of that mainly due

to just having a bad education and I think you

know the idea of him trying to like become having

a normal life and trying to you know, not go

to the boxing round on face. But I guess the

issue with Rocky II is it just suffers from a

lot of things that sequels often suffer from.

It's just trying to recreate kind of the same

situation that happened in the previous film.

But it's a lot harder to do that. You know, Rocky,

the first Rocky, there is just, there's enormous

stakes there because it's a guy. Trying to you

know, take advantage of his one shot a guy who's

been a loser in his entire life trying to prove

that He's not a loser and trying to you know,

make something of himself and he did that and

he accomplished that goal So it's hard to then

like get to a point where well How can we create

the same type of atmosphere again where he has

to accomplish something to the height? So they

have to kind of bring him down Bit by bit in

order to get him, you know get him level of where

he was before, if not lower. And I just think

sometimes they try to push him down a little

bit too far and try to force that problem. I

mean, I do like the redemption story. I do. You

know, again, Paul Creed is always a great hero

villain here. And it's interesting, too, because

he's not I like how he's not straight, just evil

guy. He's you know, it's more I think in the

first film he was more straight. Evil little.

It was more like he was ambivalent. He wasn't

necessarily even the antagonist, really. He was

just the end goal. Where in this movie, by the

end of the fight, they kind of part on good terms.

But my final note for the second film was, they've

each beaten each other. So they've each won one

round or one fight against each other. By the

end of this film, Rocky proved he has what it

takes. So where can their story go from here?

Where can Apollo and Rocky's, do they stay enemies?

Do they become friends? How does that happen?

That was my lingering question after watching

the second film. Did you have anything else on

the second one before we move into the third

one? Just that I think it's a movie that's kind

of suffers from identity crisis in a way where

it's not the serious drama of the first one But

it's not kind of crazy fun of like three or four.

So it just kind of it's like it's a transition

movie I think and I think it's it it Rocky could

have gone two different ways as a franchise.

It could have been this ultra serious, you know

down to earth Drama and it ends up going more

of the blockbuster fun action film, which is

fine I think that's I think that probably certainly

in was a big part of its commercial success But

I think you see that transition here and that

kind of goes further with the next film. Yeah

Yeah in rocky 3 My biggest complaint between

rocky 2 and rocky 3 They completely forget about

his in his his problems with his eyes and they

start off the third they do the bleed through

with the recap the recap isn't as long this time

I think thank God but now they've got him defending

his title all over the place without even mentioning

the fact that he's gonna have any kind of eye

injury or brain injury they mentioned the brain

injury later as he goes along but you know He's

basically fighting anybody that wants a shot

at the title. And then they go into the... I

forgot about this. Rocky III is probably the

one I've seen the most over the years, but until

I rewatched it for this, I had not seen it in

a good at least five or ten years. I forgot the

Hulkster was in this. Yeah, I forgot Hulk Hogan

was in this oh my god That was fun Yeah, it's

rocky 3 just interesting too because yeah with

Hulk Hogan realizing that This was a couple years

a year or two before he really exploded as a

major the biggest wrestler of all time, I think

it was what, three years before the first WrestleMania?

Which is just weird. As a kid too, I was watching

Rocky III being so confused about why Hulk Hogan's

a bad guy. It was so confusing why Hulk Hogan

was being mean to Rocky. So that was always something

that I never liked. It just seemed wrong to me

as a child. Yep. So we've got Sylvester Stallone,

you got Hulk Hogan, and you got... Mr. T He got

good old BA Baracus as the villain in this and

I knock all your teeth out of your mouth Damn

it really works. I he I think honestly he might

be a character of all For one he has the most

compelling case like he's he's legitimate. He's

legitimate beef with Rocky because he's not wrong

like Rocky And you know, Virgin Mary this, you

know, he's just, the character is giving him

meatballs basically to fight people that are,

he knows he can win. And Clubber Lang is like

killing everyone. You know, he's like the Mike

Tyson, George Foreman of his time. And he's not,

he's getting ducked by Rocky. And he's also just

really entertaining. At one point it's very creepy,

like to, you know. To an unnecessary extent especially

during the the one scene with the statue sequence

and was ever seen with Adrian he says some things

that are pretty harsh. I'm pretty sure that Twitter

existed during that period in time He would have

got he would have got a lot of mean we treats

for sure. Yeah But I do think as a character

he's he's he's freaking fascinating. He's some

of the best lines in this movie that like even

you know, the ones that obviously a pity the

fool or What is your what is what is your forecast

for this fight pain? But there's even more beyond

that just every time he opens his mouth. It's

entertaining He's a great character. Absolutely,

and I think honestly for me This is where Rocky's

opponents peaked because Like okay, like I said

before Apollo versus Rocky round one and two

Fine, whatever and we've got Rocky in this film

going around beating all these guys that Mickey

even told him because Mickey dies in this movie

Mickey even told him that it was his job to to

look out for him. So he you know, set up fights

that he knew Rocky could win. And that's where

the whole thing with Clubber comes in of, you

can't beat me fool, this, that, and the other

thing, and everything else, and whatever. And

I like that. I think that's really great storytelling.

Because Rocky now has to find, with Mickey's

passing, he has to find a new way to fight. And,

you know, look who comes back. It's Apollo. And

again my question gets answered of where can

their story go and I think at this point that

They had already had their matches. They had

already figured it out between the two of them

and that they can be friends They don't have

to be enemies and you know, obviously, you know

At the end of this we have the the secret third

fight which will be mentioned much much later

in the franchise but man, this film is I Have

to say it's out of the original five. It's probably

my favorite. Oh Wow, just just in the sense of

just in the sense of The boxing aspect of it

in the sense of Rocky being a fighter just in

that sense I mean, well, we'll talk about favorites

later as we go down but out of the original five

when it comes to The way the boxing turned out

and the events of the film with Mickey passing

and Apollo coming back I would have to say it's

my favorite I Think my only major gripe with

this the rock rocky three would be I do I do

find the final climactic Fight it doesn't have

the same Impact as the the other two and maybe

they were trying to go a different way because

it only lasted a couple rounds compared to the

other movies and yeah, and I think I don't know

like that it it felt like they're They almost

like cheapen Clubberling as a fighter in that

way where he goes down so easily compared to

what happened before. So I wish they maybe extended

that a little further and maybe made it more

of an epic final battle. But they get to that

eventually. But I think that's my only major

gripe is that I was a little let down there.

But it has a lot going on with it for sure. There's

a lot of moving parts and there's a lot of...

Interesting dynamics with what they do with Rocky,

you know, this is basically you're talking about

Rocky's story No, we talked about with Rocky

to how was him kind of repeating himself with

this one It's it's you know, it's the Apollo

story in reverse really right where he starts

as he's Apollo Creed when this movie opens He's

the champion. He's on top of the world and then

this up -and -coming Person he comes up comes

along and the thrones him because he never took

him seriously enough He didn't do the training

he needed to do and then he again he has to reclaim

himself And I think that's the big thing you

see a lot with Rocky is he you know he no matter

where he's starting He's always going to be The

comeback someplace at some time and then work

him and work himself back up, you know, yeah

Yeah, absolutely. The only other thing I'm gonna

mention about the third film is, um, the overall

theme song for the film. Obviously Survivor's

Eye of the Tiger. I loved this song for the longest

time until some stupid Kentucky politician had

to use it in one of her speeches. Thank God she's

not in office anymore, I don't think, but...

you Kim Davis. That's all I gotta say. When I

think of it now, I think of that Starbucks commercial.

Every time it comes on the radio, I have to change

the station. I'm sorry. I love this song. And

I can't listen to it anymore. It's just so crazy.

So we go from three to four. And in the fourth

movie, He -Man shows up. I'm sorry Yes, Dolph

Lundgren is Drago and as you said earlier you've

got the whole US versus Russia thing Yeah, I

mean like you said with you know with rocky 3

the Peak when it comes to his opponents, I guess

to me I like clumberling the most but I would

think the most iconic It's probably is probably

Ivan Drago. He is If you were going to say like

who's the most iconic, you know character that

rocky fights, I think it's him I would I would

put my you know, if you ask anyone who's who's

what's your favorite rocky film? I think most

people would point to this one Um because well

in large part because of him, uh, because of

dolph logger's performance in Just the machine

they make him have to be and and I think a large

part is because it's that usa russia story, which

was so Huge, especially in the 80s Yeah, this

is 85, so yeah, yeah, I mean, that was pretty

big. What I mean about Rocky's opponents going

a downward spiral is, like, five and Balboa,

both of those, and we'll get into that, but that's

what I more so mean. Yeah, you're right. I mean,

Drago was probably the best one out of all of

them. But if you look at the first - I mean,

he's more of a - Like, he's - Character -wise,

he's super one -dimensional, and there's not

much to him. Like, he barely speaks at all. So

I don't disagree with you. Like, I think when

it comes to just overall quality of character,

they do decline, especially after four. Yeah.

So I don't disagree with you. I think it just

depends on what you're - how you're defining

quality of opponent. And I think Drago is, you

know, he has some - When he does speak it does

become famous like the I will break you line,

but He you couldn't make you couldn't make a

Draw the movie you could make an Apollo movie

movie. You can think a clipper Lang movie I think

a drug a movie would be very boring And this

actually this film was two years before longer

would be he man and honestly I had not thought

of Dolph Lundgren since the Masters of the Universe

film until he showed up in the Expendables fridge.

I'm like, oh wow, he's still kind of got it,

doesn't he? And when you think about that first

Expendables movie, that's basically Rocky and

Drago together. Oh god. Think the last between

that the only thing I saw him doing was some

random dance contest or music contest or some

crazy Ukrainian thing Yeah, he's actually like

a brilliant guy to like he like he is really

smart Which you would never guess but yeah So

in this movie Drago basically unintentionally,

but pretty much kills a creed in the ring So

that's Depressing as all hell What I've liked

about the franchise to this point is that as

I said before Rocky has to learn different ways

of fighting in different environments and basically

sending him to Russia was interesting I Mean

having to do the exercises in the snow and all

Again, you know, yeah, it's rocky. It's rocky

getting beaten down to the bottom He's got to

go down to the streets and the wars this in the

the frozen streets of Russia That's how he's

got he's got to get you know Absolutely I don't

know what to make of a fourth film because as

much as I like Vince DiCola It really needed

to be Bill Conti score. It really did. I mean

the Bill Conti Rocky Anthem is in there at times,

but This one just didn't feel like oh The overall

feel of the movie didn't really sink in with

me like the the high stakes of the fight with

Drago and all that that did The fight itself

did but the overall storyline of the fourth film

just kind of At least for me it did I I think

for me rocky 4 will probably always be the most

fun in the large part because the I talked with

You know rocky 3 the the flat final fight was

not that long I feel like the final fight in

this takes up the majority of the movie I don't

know how long it is really but it feels like

it's super long And I think that's maybe why

I gravitated towards them at the most as a kid

and you know as an adolescent as an adult I do

think it is it gets kind of redundant and It's

starting line isn't as it isn't as you know It

doesn't have as much going for it if you talked

about the other movies. They're not as many intriguing

dynamics when the Apollo Creed Creed Aspect and

like his his fall is dramatic and I think a good

A good moment in the movie for sure very you

know it as a kid that that you know that certainly

touched you you never never wanted to see that

happen and But I think after that it just becomes

it kind of loses its luster a little bit It's

not necessarily a special. I mean it's it's it's

fun But it's not necessarily as deep as so many

other movies in a little bit so it's like I think

as a as a pure entertainment Piece it works.

But I think like I said the movie transitions

becoming one more just pure entertainment as

it went on I think that's where this is where

it peaked and the drama was super super low if

you're like looking at a scale it was like, you

know on the lower end where the entertainment

was on the very high end and I think that I think

that That's I think why they end up changing

focus later, but maybe to And there's a necessary

extent with the fifth film, but Yeah, I like

it, but it's not it's not as it's not as much

as I did when I was a kid Yeah, the fifth movie

just seems Like I said the beginning of the podcast

folks yes this film franchise does have peaks

and valleys And I think the fifth film is one

of those valleys where it's like You know, everything

in their lives is essentially downhill. They

lost all the money, they have to return to the

old neighborhood, she has to go back to the pet

shop, and... I don't know. It just doesn't feel

like part of Rocky's journey in the fifth movie.

It feels unnecessary to kind of tag on... Tag

on that they were just trying to think rock,

you know Sylvester Stallone was not making the

movies He once did he didn't think he needed

another hit at this time, you know And this was

1990. So, you know, this is almost This is a

little bit short of 20 years of the first film

and Yeah, it's just not Tommy gun is not a compelling

character like the the guy who made him was I

mean he was a real -life boxer I mean his real

-life stories, I think pretty tragic in its own

right, but It does it just seems kind of cheap

it obviously the with the donkey don king Want

to be manager like I think with the other rocky

movies they they had their influences You saw

like clubber link certainly was influenced for

someone like Mike Tyson or George Foreman Apollo

Creed with Muhammad Ali, but they weren't caricatures

and I think that this is with rocky five They

all everyone becomes a caricature and it's just

not It's it's cut. It's also kind of cheap how

rocky loses off his money because of some stupid

thingy signs It's just it's yeah, it's by far

for me to break the weakest one. It's oh absolutely

in a marathon I'm usually just skipping over

it. Yeah, kind of like rocky web Bellbow did

it just kind of forgot it existed Well Bellbow

and we'll get into Balboa here in a minute, but

Balboa was a lot better than five. Oh. I think.

Well, yeah. The only thing I found interesting

with five, and I find it kind of jarring at the

same time, is that it's supposed to be mere months

between four and five, and yet they recast the

kid. Don't get me wrong. I'm fine having his

own son Sage in the film as Rocky's kid, but

that was a little weird that Only a couple of

months this kid was you know four years younger

You know what I mean in the in the fourth film

and then yeah in this one. He's a little bit

older I would have liked to have seen sage come

back in Balboa, but I think the problem with

that might have been was I he may not have been

able to fit the role at that point. Yeah. There's

there's a lot of I think continuity errors. I

don't know errors or like things I just kind

of forget like you mentioned with Rocky's eye

from Rocky one to walk rocky two It's a rocky

to rocky three where it's like, oh he can't fight

again because he can go blind and you know in

rocky three He's having like ten fights in a

year. It's like wait. I thought he was like about

to go blind And I think the same thing with this

with the Sun the Sun's aging being kind of off

It doesn't make sense, but it's just you know,

it's honestly it's a lease of the film's problems

so with Balboa the only I just was sitting here

watching and enjoying Balboa the only thing I

wrote down for it was that I love the way the

story progresses in the film and looking back

on the series as a whole like if Balboa was gonna

be the final film I wouldn't have a problem with

that because we learned that Adrian has passed

away from ovarian cancer Rocky Basically kind

of gets pulled back into the boxing because of

a stupid ESPN computer simulated fight between

him and Mason Dixon And if the worst name in

the history of movies or nickname at least Mason

the line Dixon It's just it's so awful. It's

he talked about bad bad, you know the the antagonist

going downhill and that's certainly the case

here. Oh yeah, absolutely. I mean, like, there's

nothing in this that really screams, oh my god,

I have to... Outside of the actual story of Rocky's

life in Balboa, and this is the movie, as I said

before, where he and Pauly, they don't have a

falling out, but they have a difference of, you

know, Rocky wants it to be like it was in the

old days and Pauly doesn't. Outside of the life

choices, which are great in this movie, and the

way the life path is looked back on, and how

he is acting now, that's the best part about

Balboa. The actual fight stuff is honestly inconsequential.

I don't know, I actually really like Rocky Balboa.

And when it came out, I didn't want it to exist.

I was like, why do we need a Rocky movie? Like,

Rocky V... Was you know, like I said, I disliked

it seemed like that was ending like he was he

was playing old retired then he retired Like

a decade ago. How was he? How are you gonna actually

gonna pull it off now? And then you know, you

do need to do some leaves of faith a little bit

You know and uh, but I feel like it It went back

to the original, and I liked how it related a

lot to the first film in a lot of different ways.

It was very much a mirror of that original film,

and maybe that's why the boxing was inconsequential

in some ways, because in the first film it was

the same thing. It was just this guy getting

his life together, and again, here comes boxing

to help him do that. And that's why I mean the

one thing that kind of bothered me was his relationship

with Marie that just seemed kind of odd You know,

this was a person who was like eight years old

when he was growing up and who now suddenly he's

kind of having somewhat of a romantic relationship

But outside of that, I actually really liked

how the boxing was shot though. I talked about

how Stallone wasn't the greatest director in

the second one. I think this is his best job.

I think in a lot of ways due to the DP that he

got. The fights look so much so much crisper

and look very much in the line of like a real

life ESPN fight or something you would see on

HBO fights. I think the movie The Fighter took

a lot of influences from that and it feels much

different than all the other fights and all the

other boxing. In the rocky films except for the

first one. It's more true to life boxing. It's

not as over the top and People aren't running

up and punching each other and people are actually

blocking and doing some more strategic things

And so I that's what I really like about it though.

It's just it's it's it's The dramatic weight

it has and I gotta say looks very Has is not

a Is not a great actor always but he can be at

times I think this and And the film that we'll

get to is that like he just really he really

gets the character rocking when he gets it It

works really well did with first rocky when I

think this is I would if I was ranking his performances

I would say the first film and then this film

and that's what I think Really makes Rocky Balboa

extra a little extra special Yeah, absolutely

Yeah, because again it's Yeah, you're right.

It's because I assume Maria is the kid that that

He walked home that he walked her through the

the basketball court or something, right? Okay.

Yeah. Yeah Was it the same actress did she grow

up Yeah, no, that's fine. I'm just saying I mean

Don't necessarily see the two of them you said

something about there being a romantic thing

There's a little bit of a thing there, but I

don't see it being a major thing because he is

still He's still hung up on Adrian obviously

Yes, we still we see him. I think at least three

different points in the film go to her grave

The first time the second time his son shows

up which his son in this is played by jack from

this is us or peter patrulli from uh... heroes

okay here uh... i don't like bill bow i think

it's interesting as i said before i think it's

a good ending point to rocky story if it was

going to end It didn't, folks, because we have

to just take it higher and higher, because with

arms wide open, we welcome Creed! The epic tale

of my band Creed is coming to the big screen.

Every move that I make, every punch that I throw,

everything's gonna be compared to him. As Creed

the movie unfolded, there wasn't much that resembled

what happened in Creed the band. The main character

is played by Michael B. Jordan. You know, interesting

choice. I mean, we don't look much alike. And

the character's name is Creed, not Scott Stapp.

Sometimes when I walk down the street, people

shout, what's up Creed? So I guess I get it.

This movie has a lot of boxing. One time I punched

a guy from 311, but I never actually boxed. Spoiler

alert! Creed, the movie, has no epic guitar solos

played on a mountain top. And at no point does

Creed sing on a steep cliff. That's what we do

best. Then, out of nowhere, Creed is hanging

out with Rocky Balboa. Take it straight from

the guy from Creed. We never met Rocky Balboa.

In one scene, Creed is in front of a huge crowd.

And I was like, is he about to play Woodstock

99? Nope. Just more boxing. I can't deny cinematographer

Maurice Alberti paints Philadelphia as a gritty

tapestry with his flair for high contrast lighting

and deftly orchestrated tracking shots. But I'm

not from Philadelphia. I'm from Creed. Anyway,

I thought the performances were good. Jordan,

Stallone, they're great. I give this movie four

arms wide open. That's all for now. Check back

for next week's Can You Take Me To The Movies.

I'll be reviewing the upcoming blockbuster, Assassin's

Creed. It's based on a video game about an assassin

who loves our band Creed. funny or die video

by scott staff the bandit you know the guy from

the actual banter and michael i thought that

was so hilarious you never saw that did you no

i don't know what you're talking about all of

the ceiling point that out to you for the show

but only cuts they just make a that they make

fun of the name of the movie uh... but creed

came out two years ago It's basically the story

of Apollo's illegitimate son Who Has brains has

smarts does all this stuff and but he just feels

like he's kind of lost and he wants to be able

to find his own path and That leads him to boxing.

Yeah I think the most shocking thing about this

one is, oh my god, it's Claire Huxtable as his

mom! Like, hey, it's Felicia Rashad! There we

go, that's awesome! Yeah, I didn't know that

she was in Creed when I first saw it. I didn't

know that either until I actually saw her. What

I like about Creed after seeing because I did

not see it when I know you saw when it first

came out, right? Yeah, I was in my top ten movies

of that year Yeah, I had not seen it until this

year and I know those we'll talk about the sequel

here in a minute That's supposed to be coming

But you know, so I saw this and get added to

Hulu and I'm like, okay Well, I'll check that

out at some point and added it to my watch list

and whatever else and went back to watch it for

this and Basically, I don't want to say they

copy rocky story because they don't but they

use certain elements of it Yeah, I certainly

think it's certainly heavily influenced by the

rocky films But I think it takes that framework

and adds a lot to it And in large part because

Michael B Jordan story his story is different.

Like it's not rocky story He's not coming from

it from being you know The person on the bottom

making his way up he kind of starts in the middle

a little bit But he has his own demons he has

to fight being you know trying to overcome a

legacy really wants no part of but kind of gets

forced on him and I think that's the most intriguing

part of the film in a lot of ways is just him

His relationship with the father. He didn't knew

know and how that kind of intertwined with his

relationship with Rocky and In Stallone is great

in this. I know a lot of people are pushing him

to win the Oscar He was nominated that year that

people said that he didn't win And I wouldn't

have an issue if he won I didn't have an issue

if he didn't want that he didn't win but I Again,

like he gets this character when he gets it,

right? He gets it really right and I think that's

the case here and I think Korean has their same

recipe as the other films, but It's just executed,

I wouldn't say better, but better than a lot

of them. And I think it's when you get a good

director and a good actors like this had, it

was so much better than it had any right of being.

Yeah. Yeah. What I mean about they kind of replicate

Rocky's story is more so the love story between

Donnie and his lady there like that. It's not

exactly. How rocky and Adrian met obviously but

they have a similar story to that where He you

know lives upstairs from her and yada yada yada

and whatever else and he ends up going to one

of her concerts and She ends up at his fights

rooting him on and things like so that's what

I mean when they kind of Copy a bit of rocky

story for Adonis Creed. Yeah. Yeah But you're

right, the boxing angle of it all and the legacy

angle is very, very different. And, you know,

we've got this whole angle of Rocky having cancer

and all of that and he saw what that did to Adrian

and he doesn't want to do that. He doesn't want

to fight for that. And, you know, Donnie basically

says, well, you know, You fight for you and I'll

fight for me and this that and the other thing

and everything else and we have you know, I read

that Originally he was supposed to die in the

film, right? Yeah, I feel like ever send rocky

five He was then he was supposed to die I've

heard that with Rocky five. I heard that with

Rocky Balboa. I've heard that with Creed I don't

know if any of them are it's really true. But

I mean, it certainly makes sense. It felt like

it was building to that. Yeah. But yeah, I don't

doubt that that was an early part of the script

for sure. I could see that. I mean, I part of

me wonders if they started making this movie

thinking that Stallone would have nothing to

do with it, but he ends up tagging along and

being part of it. And I think in a big part makes

the movie what it is. Oh, absolutely. Um, over

the last few movies, um, I would, I said I was

going to mention this, um, later on, so I'll

mention it here. I mentioned earlier about the

ring announcer and the bad sound in the first

film. They gradually got better, obviously over

the seven films. And by, I think Balboa in this

one, they actually got, um, uh, Mr. Ready to

rumble. Yeah. In there as the actual announcer

and I thought that was Michael Buffer. I thought

that was just so great. Yeah I like Creed because

we're done with you know Rocky's story In this

movie. He's essentially done He's not boxing

anymore. It's it's all about taking care of Apollo's

kid and watching him have the rise to boxing

stardom that he used to. And it's doing right,

but let's face it, by the time Drago unintentionally

kills Creed in Rocky IV, Rocky and Apollo are

pretty much friends, best friends, whatever.

And, you know, he wants to do right by his friends,

so he's gonna take care of this kid. And I think

the best scene with the two of them... as far

as the overall franchise lore is when Donnie

first comes into the restaurant. And he asks

him about that secret third fight. Yeah. I do

like that. That's a nice little callback. Yeah,

absolutely. And we do find out that it was Apollo

that won that. See, and I do wonder if that's

true. I feel like Rocky's the type of guy that

would lie. Like if you know he would he would

he would put the other guy over especially since

Apollo's not around anymore So I wonder if that's

true like I think that's kind of left a little

bit ambiguous if he he says it But I wonder you

know it's left an interpretation in my opinion

So we do have Creed 2 is it coming out later

this year no, it's not coming out leaders here

I Pardon me wonders if it's actually gonna happen.

It was supposed to come out this year, but it's

not been nothing production wise. It started

yet I didn't it's in pre -production at this

moment in time. It was originally slated to come

out in this year, but it's not it's not even

begun shooting yet. So that's doubtful So honestly,

I don't think we need another one. Yeah, I'd

be fine if we don't get another one honestly

I would be happy if we do especially if the same

crew scenes six around but I do wonder if it's

gonna fall in the same traps that the Rocky franchise

did where it's you find it You know, it's like

how many different ways can you tell the story?

So that's like my concern like what more can

they tell now as he goes forward? Yeah, I mean

cuz this movie Creed pretty much has Everything

I would say that the first rocky film had it

has his rise Okay, it's not the same storyline,

but it's the same end result where you know he

gets into the sport he has a rise and he goes

to the top and he's got his girl and he's got

rocky as his trainer and They leave it kind of

ambiguous as, you know, as long as you take care

of your health, I'll continue fighting. It ends

on such a good note that I don't think we need

a sequel to sour it. Say what you will about

sequels, folks. Most of the time nowadays, they're

cash grabs. Back in the old days, I think the

only one out of the first six films that was

a cash grab was Five. The second one itself was

it was it was a cash grab you know, like sequels

are a lot more rare We're rarer then but I think

it's certainly what I mean the fact that they

gave Stallone complete power was I think Them

saying we don't really care how well it makes

we just know it's gonna make our well How great

of a movie it is. We know it's just gonna make

a lot of money so I think that kind of continued

but I think, like, I trust the director Ryan

Krueger and Michael B. Jordan, so I feel like

if they aren't gonna make a movie unless they

feel like they have a good story to tell, but

sometimes that doesn't work out. Like I said,

it just becomes harder to... Sports films are

kind of like comedy movies where it's hard to

sequelize them. It's like you're kind of stuck,

you know, there's not like a... Usually the arc

of each story is completed within the first film

on something like Lord of the Rings or a comic

book movie where you can kind of continue it

and continue the hero's journey. With most sports

films, the end result is you becoming the champion.

It's much not nearly as exciting to see you repeat

as it is seeing you become the champion for the

first time. And I'm sure, unless you're a New

England Patriots fan where you just... Hey now,

wait a second here. There was a compliment, I'm

saying. Yeah, yeah, sure it was. Remember that

next time we declaw those stupid ass ravens.

I don't like the ravens, so fine. The Giants

can. I keep forgetting what happened when they

played the Giants in the Super Bowl twice and

lost both times. But besides that, you know.

Yeah, that second time, the Giants cheated, but

anyway. Can we leave this subject alone No, it's

like every time it's like Yeah, yeah sure go

ahead So for me, it would be rocky the first

one Creed rocky Balboa rocky three rocky four

rocky two and then rocky five Would be in the

bottom of my list For me it would be Rocky and

then three and then Creed Four No, Belboa then

four and then and then two and then five Five

is by far the worst one out of them all. It really

is. Two has its issues, but what I thought, as

I said earlier, what I thought was good about

two was the fight between the two of them was

a hell of a lot, because it was a real fight.

I don't want to say the first fight in the first

film wasn't a real fight, but it almost wasn't,

because as we've already said in this podcast,

Creed went into that thinking... I'm just gonna

push him over whereas the second fight in the

second fit the in the second film was more of

an actual knockdown drag them out fight so Alright

folks that's gonna do it for us. What do you

got coming up on talking in circles? I don't

know for podcast wise what we're have coming

up. I know for some geeks were continuing The

hey Miyazaki retrospective and video game movies

Which are just that's don't ever do that. It

hurts But I also have some articles coming out

I have my movies to show my son article that

comes out weekly and also Not sure if the first

one will be out, but I have a comic graphic novel

blog I'll be starting as well as I look at some

of the most iconic graphic novels and comic runs

of all time I'm in giving my thoughts and opinions

on them as I try to catch up with Movies or comics

that are my list of shame. So that will be starting

very shortly Alright folks join us next time

when We are gonna be facing Rambo. Yes, that's

right all four Rambo films I'm surprised that

he hasn't tried to make another one of those

Really surprised. Yeah, what I guess is Rambo's

well, there's a Son of Rambo, but it has nothing

to do with actually no that has not no no no

that does not exist See yeah, we'll be back next

time episode 133 will be the Rambo franchise

where we talked about all four Rambo films We

could almost even bring up hot shots if we wanted

to probably not but probably deserves its own

episode of the podcast. I believe Optimus Solo

will be joining us for the Rambo episode. For

now, I am TFG1 Mike with... Movie Revolt Dan.

Keep those film reels rolling and we will catch

you next time here on Movie Week in Review. You've

been sticking it to me. I want to know how it

comes. You want to know? I want to know how!

Okay, I'm going to tell you. Because you had

the talent to become a good fighter. And instead

of that, you became a rainbreaker. Some cheap

second -rate loan shark. To live it? It's a waste

of life. I figure if I break the guy's thumb,

he gets laid off, right? He can't make the money.

Yeah, well, let me do it. I'll take care of it,

okay, Rock? Just let me do the figure. Come on!

Want to hit on me? Come on! I'll break both your

arms so they don't work for you. 50 bucks. You

and your girl Adrienne. You have a nice time,

yeah? Thanks. Hey, Ron. What? Remember what I

told you. What'd you tell me? Take a dirt or

so. Come on, out of the car! as the land of opportunity.

Yeah. Paulo Creed does. And he's going to prove

it to the whole world by giving an unknown a

shot at the title. I need your help about 10

years ago, right? 10 years ago? You never helped

me. You didn't care. Well, if you wanted help,

I say, if you wanted help, why didn't you ask?

Why didn't you just ask me, kid? Look, I asked,

but you never heard nothing. What is there to

go in the distance with Creed? And if I can go

that distance, seeing that bell rings and I'm

still standing, I weren't just another bum from

the neighborhood. I mean, who am I kidding? I

ain't even in the guys' league. Wish me luck,

I'm gonna need it. Good luck Don't leave town

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