Movie Week in Review
The Hustler Review

About this Episode
Alright folks, what you're about to hear is Movie
Week in Review episode 126, The Hustler, which
was recorded about a year ago. I am TFG1 Mike
and joining me is movie role Dan. Hello. Hey,
how's it going? So we recorded this about a year
ago, back in 2015. I think it was January or
February of 2015 and... We were so much younger
then. Yeah, I know, right? It's like, oh god,
just... And by the time the episode actually
goes up, it'll probably be after my 36th birthday,
so yeah, I am so much older. Oh my god. but yeah
so this was recorded a year ago since then uh
some good and bad things have happened you had
the birth of your first child yeah yeah i'll
mark that in the good good category yeah and
sadly my mom passed away last year so that's
obviously in the bad category but yeah i i meant
to get this out and meant to get this out and
we couldn't find uh at the time i think mwire
was still on episode 119 or 120 or something
like i don't even know it might have even been
on 118 back then i don't even know we just couldn't
i just couldn't find the time to get the numbers
up to where we had this and where we had last
week's berkeley hills cop franchise episode so
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it you know this happened a year ago but here's
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that it? Big John? Do you think this boy is a
hustler? Hello and welcome to MWIRE Movie Week
in Review. This is TF2 and Mike, one of your
hosts. Joining me is Movie Revolt Dan. Hello,
sir. Hello. It's been a while since you've been
on the show, since we did our rating pending
with this film is not yet rated. This is episode
126 of Movie Week in Review. We would have had
the Beverly Hills Cop franchise, Good Will Hunting,
and then some Back to the Future commentaries
before this. And today, I thought this was going
to be the 55th anniversary of this film, but
apparently it isn't, because my DVR lied to me.
No, dude, seriously, when I looked at the information
on the film, on my set top box for Time Warner
Cable, it listed the Hustler 1960. And according
to Wikipedia, it came out in 61. Yeah, well,
it depends. I mean, it was probably released.
in a film festival in 1960 but then was actually
released in theaters in 61. Okay, well that just
makes no damn sense and it kind of ruins my whole
thing of hey it's the 55th anniversary which
that if that's the case it doesn't happen till
next year. No. So it's the 54th anniversary.
I guess that's the podcast we'll just wait till
next year is that what you're saying? We're already
doing it now. Might as well continue. So the
Hustler is a American drama film directed by
Robert Rosen It stars Paul Newman and Jackie
Gleason Wow, mr. Honeymooner himself I It's very
rare for me personally that I think of Jackie
Gleason outside of Ralph Camden Yeah, I mean
that's probably the first thing people remember
him by but he was a he was a a well -respected
actor all around, really. I mean, he was a stage
actor and dramatic actor as well, so yeah. Absolutely.
When was the first time you saw this movie? I
was probably a kid because my dad really enjoys
this film and I probably rewatched it again a
few years ago and then again for this podcast.
So yeah, it's actually one of my Paul Newman's
my all -time favorite actor, so I pretty much
watch anything he's in and usually do it with
repeated time So yeah, I've seen seen this a
few times so but my dad loves the movie so I
saw when I was a kid For me I saw it about three
months ago or so I Mean, I've heard of it. I
know what it is, but it's one of those things
where it's just never been on my radar and As
I said in the rating pending episode, you know,
my goal with MWIRE is to kind of branch out and
do things that we haven't done before, cover
films we haven't covered before, and, you know,
get to films that we want to eventually cover.
And I surprisingly, it has nothing to do with
the film content, it has to do with the lack
of color. I did not know this was a black -and
-white film, people. I honestly had no friggin'
clue. Like, you know, back in episode 117 of
MWIRE, we talked about an affair to remember.
And that was made in, what, 40... 57, 47? Damn
it. It was made a few years before this. 1957.
1957. That's in color. And I'm thinking 1960,
1961. Yes, there was color television around.
And I understand, you know, it's a director choice
if you want color or black and white and whatever
else. But I really had no idea that this was
a black and white film until I watched it. All
right. Yeah. It doesn't dissuade me from the
enjoyment I got out of watching the movie. It
just it was kind of shocking. I'm like, wait,
where's the color? You know, OK. Yeah, I mean,
I don't know like yeah during that we think about
it this way like during that time in the late
50s early 60s Color was in the way in same way
as those maybe you would say 3d is today in a
sense where not everything was in color not everything
was in that you had a combination of both and
in fact that the Oscars for a while I had like
awards that were given to movies in color movies
that awards given to movies in black and white
there was like a same cinematography award for
each category that eventually went away but you
know 61 was probably 62 is when you still had
a maybe a decent split but once you hit the late
60s black and white was almost you know was becoming
more of a novelty not nearly not as much but
it really depended on the type of movie you're
making and looking at the hustler In you know,
it's it's content and the people it was portraying
I think black and white probably the best choice
for it because does it bodes well for like the
griminess of the pool halls and it makes that
you know, the smoking of the cigarettes a little
bit more potent with the black and white cinematography
because To me it I don't know like I didn't I
knew that going in so maybe if I didn't it'd
be a little bit more shocking, but Yeah, I mean,
like I said, don't get me wrong. It doesn't take
away the fact that I enjoyed the film or, you
know, almost all the aspects of the film, but
it just, it wasn't what I was expecting. And,
you know, once I sat there and watched it, I
think it only took me about maybe the first 20
minutes of the film to get used to the fact that
it was black and white. Overall, I really dug
it. You know, I mentioned Paul Newman, Jackie
Gleason. We also have Piper Laurie as Sarah and
George C. Scott as Burt in this film. It's basically,
you want to outline the plot for everybody? Yeah,
sure. If anyone hasn't seen the movie? Yeah,
sure. Well, I mean, the basic premise of it is
you have Fast Eddie Felson, which is played by
Paul Newman, and he is, as a title, States he's
a pool hustler, but he's a huffler that's kind
of looking for more and his main goal is to be
notorious pool hall in you know billiards champion
Fats Fats Malone or sorry Minnesota Fats played
by Jackie Gleason so his desire is to beat him
and then the movie begins with Him going facing
off against Minnesota Fats and a 24 36 hour marathon
match And after he loses, it leads to him basically
kind of reconciling with that loss and finding
a way to play him again, getting the money and
then go through that process of him trying to
prove himself. But during this as well, he ends
up becoming in a relationship with the character
played by Piper Laurie Sarah. And they're both
these two figures that are. Morally questionable
in some ways basically they're trying to find
their way in life You know, Sarah is also known
for she tends to drink all day. She doesn't necessarily
have a job and they're both kind of finding trying
to find their way in life and that kind of find
a kind of spirit in that end but and The character
played by Dorsey Scott comes along Burt Gordon
providing Paul Newman an opportunity again to
finally face off against that Malone but kind
of gives them an ultimatum in some ways where
He has to work for Dorothy Scott and give up
the what he can grow into love and Sarah and
the kind of the it gets to that process basically
of of Paul Newman chasing that also intoxicating
aspect of greatness and trying to find it so
it's it's really a character study on that character
and just his desire to Find some sort of place
among the pool hall elite really and like he
mentions in the film with necessarily even about
Being great at Paul just being great in general
and something happens to be really good at yeah,
you know the relationship between Fast Eddie
and Sarah really surprised me and The first thing
I thought of and I don't know why I thought of
this but like a very Imagine Nick and Nora Charles
if they were that dysfunctional I mean Nick Charles
is not that dysfunctional neither is Nora but
like when I first saw that and I first saw that
in the film with the two of them it's like oh
they have this in common they like to drink and
I'm like hmm interesting and I know that it might
be a weird comparison but I don't watch a lot
of movies past 78 people I just don't you know
what I mean it's like there's a I can count on
both my hands how many movies I've seen that
Are older than 1978 And this is just one of those
ones where I'm like Hmm interesting relationship
there and it's very toxic for the both of them,
but it seems to work Yeah, I mean if you look
at this film you have like new Paul Newman's
character fast Eddie who like each character
has a certain I would say sin that they're addicted
to you know, Sarah seems to be acceptance He's
just like the has this desire to be accepted
or wanted by someone which leads her to you know
Kind of be a lot of self -hate you have Paul
Newman's character fast Eddie whose sin is basically
trying to it's out of I mean not so not narcissistic
but just this desire to be great and then George
C Scott who plays the character of Berg Gordon
his sin is control he needs to be in control
of everything and you see like the how all these
people are really just wrong for one another
and Tend to just bring each other down in some
ways Well in until like that that thing, a pool
is taken away. When Paul Newman or fast study
has, doesn't have the pool to kind of rely on,
he ends up really kind of discovering who he
is. And I think that's where, like you mentioned,
that Sarah and him find a kind of a compassionate
relationship. It's the first time we see who
he is beyond the fact that he's a pool hall hustler.
He actually has to reflect on what he actually
is doing in life. So it's interesting in that
aspect. when we you know as the film goes along
Eddie hustles a local pool shark whose friend
breaks Eddie's thumbs so that was because this
is after his his big games with this after the
marathon with Minnesota Fats and all that and
it's like you know he's just looking to get back
he's just looking to do all this stuff and Was
really surprised that I mean I wasn't like shocked
at that scene, but I was like hmm. That's That's
an interesting way and as the movie goes on I
Again, cuz I've never seen this before it's weird
seeing the city I live in in black and white
at the Kentucky Derby It really really is I mean
I've seen horse races in black and white before
but it's kind of weird to see Louisville, Kentucky
Yeah black and white I've lived in this place
for about 22, 23 years now. And that scene that
you refer to, the one where he's trying to basically
get money, you see the repercussion of pride
there because he's very much, he knows he can
beat that guy. Not only is he going to beat him,
but he's going to humiliate him because he felt
insulted by him. So he just destroys him. Which
you know, it leads to the the broking of the
thumbs and it's that pride that tends to get
in his way I mean that what's it's pride that
made him lose the fats alone or I keep killing
fast alone, but Minnesota fats He had him dead
and buried but he had he had to beat him. He
had to hear Minnesota Fats say it he couldn't
he couldn't do it like he needed it didn't matter
that he was up or he was winning He you know,
he needed that recognition. So it yeah That's
a good scene to go to because it just seems you
just see the price that he has to pay because
of his own arrogance Yeah, and we get to So there
at the Kentucky Derby we get to that and Apparently,
um, Eddie, uh, so, wait. Oh. During this scene,
Eddie gets to a game which turns out to be Karum,
Billiards .pool. Excuse me, shit. And he loses
pretty bad, pretty much, and Bert refuses to
keep staking him. This is the scene where I just
kind of fell off the map on this movie because
And Because this is the scene where Sarah off
-screen There's a basically a humiliating sexual
encounter Which again was not expecting? Especially
what happens after that when she scrolls the
things and lipstick I was like, whoa, this movie
took a dark turn. Well, I think it was leading
to that moment. Like, I think, you know, you
saw her, I mean, she when she when she comes
on screen when we came to introduce, she's very,
you know, a very wrecked person. And before we
even get into Kentucky, you know, we get to see
like, you know, moment of happiness between them
where Where they actually seem to actually be
getting into you know a normal life in some ways
but it's that opportunity for greatness that
gets in the way and Getting up to that scene
what they're mentioning where? fact that he's
given a choice, you know, like he can go with
Sarah like he has that opportunity can go with
her or you know, he chooses to ignore her in
a way and kind of push her aside in order to
and prove how great he is and I think that scene
I think Sarah so the one thing Sarah had you
know for the first time in her life probably
possibly she had she had a moment of um respect
for herself she felt like she actually had some
sort of life that she could actually live and
feel good about and then she realized that it
was all for naught and I think that in a way
broke her And then you get to the moment where
at insult to injury where you you know that encounter
that occurs where You know, she feels cheapened
and this this she's like, this is what the world
sees of me Which leads her describe those words
on the on the board, which I think it's like,
you know perverts I forget the exact slot perverted
twisted and crippled. Yeah, which was Pretty
much describes her character which leads leads
to that. So, you know, I think that I don't know
you said it lost you there. So I'm curious. What
about that? Well Like I know that these two characters
are very dark and they're they're very dysfunctional
and Sarah is very dysfunctional herself, but
it just after After the game where he pretty
much says, you know, oh, you know I want to play
this game instead of going with Sarah when he
makes his choice and then we see her reaction
to his choice and I'm like Okay that It's just
I wasn't expecting that dark of a turn for this
movie. I know this movie is dark and gritty and
all that I know it's not an upbeat movie at all
But I don't know. I just wasn't expect. I don't
expect some things This era to go that dark Well,
you should watch more movies between before the
70s you'll see they get they can get pretty dark
But I guess we kind of respond to that like that
that moment in her reaction wasn't just about
that moment But it was a realization that everything
she had is now gone because now that fast said
he has pullback That's what matters and she doesn't
so it wasn't just her reaction to the way I saw
it wasn't just a reacting to the fact that he's
giving up Going to back to the hotel with her
uh to play pool was that he was giving up her
all in general To you know chase this dream or
chase this desire that he had so I mean That's
kind of what you had to do back in the 60s. Are
you everything? It'll you know, it explained
things I mean, I won't you know watch some hit,
you know Hitchcock films to that They're often
filled with suicide or suicide attempts that
it wasn't it wasn't that uncommon I would say
for this time in this period to see you know
characters that were dark and twisted in this
way or broken in this manner, so I Mean it it
is a little shocking. I don't disagree it it
does go from like You know zero to a hundred
rather quickly, but I I felt like considering
what was at stake there that it made sense for
the character to Make that choice because we
like I said she was broken to begin with and
that was more of a the final You know the final
nail in the coffin as I would say And as the
movie ends obviously Eddie returns to challenge
fats again and pretty much beats him so badly.
He's got to quit which I think What's interesting
about that scene too is how anti -climactic it
is like this is the moment he was been chasing
And it's just it kind of just happens. It's like,
you know, it's just it's not it's not a big thing
but uh, it's it's you know, it's Everything he
was hoping for and it didn't really have the
impact He was hoping for or he was desiring and
then that's where you get that, you know that
showdown between you know, newman and Georgie
Scott over bit, you know payment and what it
means and it's the you know, those two characters
full pride going off against one another so Absolutely.
I mean overall I enjoyed the movie. It's not
something I could watch again I enjoy it, but
it's it just I don't know what it is about it.
It's just It's too depressing for me to watch
again. Yeah, I mean it's on a movie. You're like,
I want to have a good night Uh, yeah, I mean
it is pretty you know, it's you're not gonna
feel great about life afterwards, but I don't
I guess the way I look at movies it's you know,
if if sometimes that's a good thing though, right?
I mean when it's like a movie can have that sort
of impact and More of an emotional way than more
of an entertaining way. That means to me that
it's effective I mean look at something like
Schindler's List, right? Like I don't I like
that movie, but it's not a movie We're gonna
rewatch over and over again because just would
hate life after that But uh, I think for fit
like I think it's every so often Like I said,
like I watched it maybe last time a few years
ago But it's I think it still holds up because
you kind of pick up things here and there that
you may have not have noticed firsthand And the
cast in this is it again. It's so interesting
seeing Gleason outside of the honeymooners. It
really is He's fantastic. And that's like he
he doesn't say much he just has like kind of
presence to him and and interesting enough like
him and Newman do a lot of the own the pool themselves
like that's they do have Stand -ins here and
there for some of the trickier shots, but a lot
of the pools done by them. So Absolutely I guess
have you seen the sequel to the hustler the color
of money that was made by square sazy like in
the 80s That one's in color. So you might funny
nice That's the Tom Cruise movie, right? Yes.
Okay, cuz I was I was either thinking it was
either that or risky business No, that's one
we'll have to get to it. I mean Story wise it
doesn't have much in common, but it's just the
fact that fast Eddie is in that it was you know
Newman and Which is interesting because I think
that was a that was the movie that Newman won
his first Oscar for if I'm not mistaken which
was which was kind of crazy, but um, it's there
there are some other you mentioned the cast there
are some other interesting casts like I don't
know if you saw the movie raging pole, but the
the guy that that's after jake lamotta is actually
in this movie he plays a bartender and in the
Early on in the film and you know, it's interesting
enough There's a movie then made by made of him
not to after this So this was I think coming
out when he was still in the world of boxing
But uh, yeah He plays one of the early bartenders
and what's also kind of cool is that I know way
back when we did the james bond films each of
those films had a pre Pre -credit sequence and
this is another film that has a pre -credit sequence
and which was really new for the time So it's
a really good one, too I think it gives you it's
it can almost work as a short film all by itself
and it's really well done Yeah, I almost wish
we would have done The Hustler and The Color
of Money as a back -to -back double feature now
because You're right. It pretty much is a sequel
sort of I mean at least in the beginning because
it brings up fast Eddie again with Newman and
and it Yeah, we'll have to cover that at some
point Yeah, I don't think it's nearly as strong
a movie. No, it's uh, I mean It's interesting
just seeing the dynamic between Newman and Cruz
and you know, they it's kind of gives them a
lot of ways like Cruz was around the same age
as Newman at when this movie was coming out.
So it's It's good in that aspect. It means course
easy does direct it really well but I would say
that the hustler is a little bit superior because
it has a little bit more weight to it, but if
you want a more I'd say Yeah, it's a little bit
lighter of a fare than this film, but it's worth
watching. Absolutely. All right, folks, unless
you got anything else, I think we're going to
get out of here this time. Uh, no, I think that's
pretty much it like guys. There's nothing really
else. That's all that interesting Oh that I mean
what's kind of cool is that in this george c
scott was nominated for an oscar for this film
But he ended up not showing up because he he
hated the idea of oscars and competing But but
then when he ended up not winning it he kind
of there's like a really negative reaction. So
He has the kind of an issue with the oscars then
in 1970 when he won for pat and he ended up not
Accepting the award. So this kind of started
his issue with the Oscars early on and we mentioned
Sarah who was played by Piper Laurie. This was
like her last role for like 15 or 20 years or
so And then she kind of left to work with her
family and then came back So it's I think she's
decent in this film. I do think if she she is
a little over You know, it's kind of all the
time her acting. It's very uh, you know stage
acting it's you know, till 11 at times so when
she especially when she's getting really Emotional
to the extreme, but I think in the in the when
she's a little bit the quieter moment, especially
Her final scene, I think is probably her best
But is it interesting knowing that she kind of
gave up acting for quite a while after this?
Yeah Yeah, but did you want to give ratings or
anything like that? Um, yeah, we can go and give
ratings What would you do at zero to five stars?
I like to me. This is one of the you know, Paul
Newman's best movies, which is saying a lot It's
one of the best sports films of all time It's
you know, it's you have to be ready for a movie.
That's kind of A little bit depressing, but I
think the pool hall scenes are fantastic Overall,
I think it's you know, 4 .5 out of 5 for me.
So I'm gonna give it a three and a half. I'm
gonna give it a 3 .5. I enjoy it. I think it's
an interesting look at, you know, pool hustling.
I don't know if I'd call it a sports movie, honestly.
I mean... A pool's a sport. It is, it is. I don't
know, I just... If they're counting video games
as sports, I'm gonna call it a pool. Okay, well...
They didn't do that in 1961, but okay. All right.
I'll concede that point. I give it a three and
a half because it just... I know it's a dark
movie, but it's too dark for me. It just really
is. And there are times in Sarah's quiet or like
when her and Eddie are together after the 25
hour... pool marathon when they're drinking and
I guess it's either her apartment or his room
or wherever they are, I forget where it is off
the top of my head. It just seems like she is
the acting by Piper Laurie. It just seems that
she, like you said, she needs to cling to something.
She needs to hold on to something to make herself
feel better. It's just I felt it a little jarring
for me. I don't know why I mean I would say like
you mentioned that you don't watch a lot of films
of this era and Sometimes especially the pacing
is a lot slower than it is in today, but a lot
of times When it comes to like big performances
That it can get really big like that. I mean
there sometimes it's in a lot like a lot of the
Trademarks you would see for the stage Are also
in film so you get performance like like that
which could be jarring Like doing that today
would be like wow, you know, let's simmer down
here a little bit But so I mean I don't disagree
that at times she could kind of maybe bring it
back a little bit. But uh, yeah So I couldn't
like I said if you're looking for a good time
This is not the movie you're gonna watch and
it kind of makes it seem like you think it would
be like that because I think a lot of people
think of like the color money other pool movies,
but In a lot of ways pool is the least important
part of this entire film. It's a lot more than
that. So If you want to if you want to like a
more feel -good basic pool hall film I would
say either color money or there's this other
movie called pool hall junkies, which is just
straight really about pool So it's not nearly
as good, but it's a little bit more, you know
Fast -paced and easier to watch All right, folks
that's gonna do it for us Coming up next. We're
actually going to be doing an episode 127 We're
talking about the three musketeers the 1993 Disney
film the quote -unquote good one Not the not
the the one made in like, you know 2009 No, all
right. It's good. That one's awful. Don't watch
that Which is kind of funny because back in episode
118, we did the manly iron mask. So that's somewhat
three musketeer ish. Yeah So we've got two three
musketeers movies on the slate here for Mwire
After that, it's gonna be a surprise folks. You
never know what's gonna happen here on Mwire.
I do have plans for Myself and whomever would
like to join me on it. We're gonna do two episodes
covering the Fast and the Furious franchise,
part one. We're going to do these in story order,
not film release order, because I want to be
able to watch these in story order to see if
they make any more sense. Because, no, no, no,
no, no. Well, see, for me, one, two, four, five,
and six make sense. Three makes zero sense with
the rest of the characters. Is that the one that's
in Tokyo Drift? Yeah, Tokyo Drift. Yeah. so we've
got that we're also going now i know this is
correct because it's the same anniversary is
back to the future we're also going to have a
30th anniversary uh celebration episode for the
breakfast club so that's also going to be coming
up here in myr and who knows um i don't right
now i only have a more scheduled up to episode
one thirty five as far as choices for movies
and it could change uh... beach you know between
now and then but uh... like i said you know before
and another other episodes of the show so far
the goal is to get to episode one seventy five
by december thirty first twenty fifteen so we'll
see if i can get there uh... the film reels might
melt by then uh... political that's what was
there You know, well, yeah, but I've used that
that that closeout phrase since the beginning
of the show keep those film reels rolling because
I'm so used to seeing old timey projectors. Oh,
yeah. That's what tells you how old MWIRE is.
It's back when, you know, film actually existed
and not just digital. 2009. Yeah, that's right.
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