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This is where he learned who he was this is where

he came for guidance Tell me everything Let's

start with the big question. Where did you go?

Your father used to say That you were put here

for a reason you know the world can always use

more good reporters Everything. Olsen. I want

to see photos of him everywhere. Hark! Hey! Welcome

back! So you've met the Munchkin? Hello. Fearless

reporter Lois Lane is a mommy. But if you ask

me, she's still in love with you -know -who.

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stuff. Superman returns. How could you leave

us like that? It's not easy for me to live my

life being who I am. Keeping secrets. The world

doesn't need a savior, and neither do I. So long,

Superman. Lex Luthor. You're bald. Cute kid.

Come with me. You're not gonna wanna miss this.

What's wrong? Lois and Jason are missing. I have

advanced alien technology. But millions of people

will die. Billions! Come on, let me hear you

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the other thing. Superman will - WRONG! Bring

it on! What are you, Garos? Look, in the sky,

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- You wanted to see me? Hello and welcome to

the DC spotlight volume 2 and wires spotlight

on the Superman films Which is brought to you

by the heat cast or radio network. I am one of

your host you do I'm like joining me is movie

role Dan. Hello. Hello How are you in another

franchise? We're almost done joining us this

time around a third person Michael Powers also

known as booth ninja. Hello. Hello How are you?

Good. How are you? Pretty good. Pretty good I'll

be better after we get rid of this crap. As if

the listeners can't already tell where this is

going, at least for me anyway. We are here today

to talk about 2006's softcore porno where Bryan

Singer basically sucked on Dick Donner's dick

for an hour and a half. Ugh. God, I hate this

movie. Super Entertainment! Those are strong

opinions, holy crap. Yeah, I cannot stand this

movie even after rewatching and I want my money

back from iTunes after renting this holy crap

Alright so I am the only one out of the three

of us that did not see this in theaters What

was your initial reaction when you saw in the

theater Dan? I remember being relatively Enjoying

it but being somewhat underwhelmed I think like

that was like when movie I thought the whole

idea of comic book movies were still Not what

it is today. And I remember being really psyched

for Superman finally seeing him on the big screen.

We've seen Batman. We saw spider -man now we're

getting Superman and Nolan Bryan singer was doing

it and loving his x -men movies. I'm like, okay,

here we go This is gonna be it and then not that

I just liked it. I just felt like Hmm, I just

it wasn't what I was expected. I felt a little

bit let down and there was never The separate

hatred that certain people seemed to half of

the movie I never really had that but I never

I never really returned to it either So I think

that kind of says something about it, but my

initial reaction was okay I thought it was okay

like that happened and that was basically it

What about you Mike what was your initial reaction

when you saw it in theaters? Well We're getting

a movie theater. I think I actually saw it twice

in 24 hours For a bastard. No, I actually I previewed

it and then I turned around actually bought tickets

So I saw it for free and then I turned around

and bought tickets to to go to a show with my

friends opening night Because I really liked

it It was again like Dan. I like Bryan Singer

But for me, I like Bryan Singer because of usual

suspects Yes, that's also true. But I also like

the X -Men movies. But Bryan Singer, as far as

I'm concerned, he gets a pass in just about anything

because of usual suspects. It's like, yeah, you

could not like what he's doing, but he made that

movie over there, which is awesome. It wasn't

what... You know, I couldn't really remember

the advertising for the movie, so... On the on

the blu -ray they put the you know, they put

the trailers on there So I was actually able

to watch the trailers today, too Wow, the trailers

were so miss Market so missed the mark on what

that movie actually was Yeah But I was not I

was never disappointed with the movie and I I

know, you know, obviously people dislike the

movie immensely, but I Rather enjoyed it for

what it was which was Basically either Superman

two and a half or the actual proper Superman

three And And I and I again I just watched it

again today and I still enjoyed it and I think

I actually own two copies of it I have it on

HD DVD and blu -ray HD DVD yeah, I know However,

it was cheaper for me to buy the HD DVD add -on

for my 360 than it was for me to buy a blu -ray

player at the time yeah, but I The one scene

in that in superman returns that I can watch

over and over and over again is the the plane

I mean I've tried over the years to rewatch the

movie from beginning to end Even though I own

two copies of I think I've only watched it twice

at home But I can watch that one scene chapter

skip all the way to it over and over and over

again. It's so good But no, I I liked the movie

I liked it when I saw it in theaters the people

that I went with actually enjoyed it And I watched

it again today I mean, yeah, it's got its hokey

moments, but I think that goes back to what Singer

was trying to capture. So as I said before, I

didn't see this in theaters. I didn't see it

till it hit media. The advertising for it. It

just it didn't catch my eye It wasn't one of

those things where you know for me. I'm not a

fan of Lord of the Rings I'm not a fan of Harry

Potter No one on this earth will ever get me

to change my mind about that, but at the same

time. I don't outright hate them You know, I

respect the fact that they have their fans and

that, but it's not for me at all. And, you know,

for me watching trailers, I either get excited

or I'm like, meh, or, oh god, they're doing that.

You know, it's one of those things. That's just

how I judge trailers. And as I've said many times

before, everybody always, oh, you can't just

judge stuff by trailers. You have to wait to

see. No, no, no. The whole point of a trailer

is to get people to either watch the movie or

not. That's the whole point of a damn trailer

in anything, whether it's film, television, whatever.

And in Superman Returns, it didn't grab me. Yes,

I admit, and we'll talk about this a little bit

later, but the casting of Spacey as Luthor was

amazing and brilliant. And I loved Singer's X

-Men films. I'm going to have to go back and

watch Usual Suspect, because I don't think I've

seen that. But it's one of those things where

Brian Singer did not set out to do... his own

take on the Superman mythos. He set out to copy

and sequelize or whatever you want to call it,

the Richard Donner films. I don't like that.

I don't like what he did with the film at all.

It's... Yes, there are moments that are cool.

Yes, seeing Superman fly is cool. Don't get me

wrong, but the actual overall story, the fact

that... 2006, you know... We're in the 2000s.

Justice League had just gone off the air a couple

years before. By the time 2006 rolls around,

we have enough technology in the film industry

that they could have done a dark side, a brainiac,

or something. Something new, something that isn't

a copy of fucking land rights. That was the first

problem I had with the first Superman movie,

was why is Lex Luthor, this mad scientist slash

evil businessman, Doing a scheme with land rights

for Christ's sake I and this movie to me is just

a copy of Superman one and two That's all it

is. It's a piss -poor copy of the first two films.

Thank God Brian Singer didn't introduce time

travel I really really hate this movie. It just

And the other thing okay, I know if you watch

the first two Superman films, which is what this

is based off of Yes, Christopher Reeve in Superman

1 is a little bit emo. He does kind of stalk

Lois. Don't get me wrong, I can read those undertones,

but I'm sorry. Bryan Singer took it to a whole

new level in this movie and it is just fucking

horrible. I didn't get that, but... The whole

thing of him basically he stocks lowest throughout

the whole movie is Superman There's that one

scene where he is, you know Looking through the

house and he's looking at the family together

and that I could see that that's kind of creepy

a little bit But I think what Superman returns

what happens is the the negatives are so large

that that's all people remember there There are

some dumb moments. I think that stand out and

I think it's kind of reminds me kind of of You

know, there's a kind of reminds me of like Hulk

in a way and I think it's much better than Hulk

but there are specify which one 2003 or 2007

2009 Ang Lee's home because there are okay There's

certain like when people there are certain moments

people always go to with that film It's like

that this is why it fails but they forget there

are some successful things it does I think overall

Superman turns is much better than Hulk but I

think there are certain moments that people always

point to as These are what this is why Superman

returns doesn't work But those are really few

and far between when I go back and look at it

you talk about how it's just a copy of The Superman

one and Superman two. I don't think it really

is. I think it's a it's an homage Yes, I think

it relies heavily on those films, but a lot of

directors a lot of films do that You can you

can look at? Jane like we want we did the James

Bond franchise and I think this is similar to

those films it takes a lot of those elements

and kind of uses it and molds it into its own

film I think where it suffers the most is with

the performances because you have actors who

can't make the characters their own they're having

to do their impressions of Christopher Reeve

or their impressions of Margaret Kitty or the

other actors so they really can't make those

characters their own because you're always gonna

look at Brandon Routh and think What he is like

compared to Christopher Reeve. So it's kind of

unfair to Routh But I kind of like certain things

singer does like I love how he incorporates John

Williams theme I love how he uses the Brando

narration. I think those moments are really done.

Well and So I don't really mind the whole using

what Donner did as an inspiration for this film.

I mean, I don't know why that's... Go ahead,

Mike. Well, really quick before Mike goes and

before we kind of... We got to transition and

adjust the facts here in a minute because I don't

think we've done that yet. What I was saying

earlier was by the time 2006 rolls around, the

film industry has... They have the technology.

They could have done... You know, Justice League

had just ended two years... Justice League, Justice

League Unlimited, the cartoon had just ended

two years previous. I would have rather Bryan

Singer, instead of trying to homage and copy

Dick Donner, I would have rather had him go in,

tell his own story based on another one of Superman's

villains, like a brainiac, like a darks, something

else, something... This movie to me, as I said

before, it just feels like a complete carbon

copy combination of the first two films that

Richard Donner did. and that's why I don't like

it. What were you going to say, Mike? See, I

agree with Dan to a point. I don't think it's,

you know, like I said, I think it's more, it's

more Superman two and a half or Superman three

because, you know, it's, it does rely on the

first two and a lot, like I enjoy it. You know,

I don't really like the first two Superman movies,

but I am all for, you know, I really enjoyed

when I started up the movie today and the opening

credits were basically identical to what Superman

and Superman 2 were where the you know, we've

got the 70s outline of a name and then it dissolved

like flies at the screen You know, I I really

appreciated all those those little touches that

he did to say like, you know This is a this is

a continuation of the story that was started,

you know so long ago and I agree again with Dan

that it's Everything was everyone was kind of

pigeonholed into you know portraying It's not

Brandon Routh playing Superman. It's Brandon

Routh playing Christopher Reeves playing Superman.

It's kind of fun seeing that. It's kind of like

in Star Trek when you see Chris Pine do his impersonation

of William Shatner doing Kirk for like a split

second. That kind of stuff shines through, but

then they're able to make the characters their

own. I do wish Singer would have just... Made

his own Superman movie because I would have liked

to have seen a Superman movie from Bryan Singer

Exactly, and I I do wish that it's I Just I just

appreciated that He was I appreciate what he

was trying to do and he succeeded at what he

was trying to do I also realized that you know

this is one of the few movies I can remember

that where the movie came out and there wasn't

immediately like a sequel greenlit before it

even hit the screen and it's I feel like Singer

and the team, like there was somewhere they wanted

to go and they couldn't go there. And, you know,

you're upset that Lex basically, it's like he

was the same Lex as from the first two movies.

I mean, that's because, you know, it was Kevin

Spacey playing. Gene Hackman. Yeah, OK. I didn't

want to get the name wrong, but that's who I

thought it was. Gene Hackman playing Lex Luthor.

And yes, he succeeded incredibly at that. But

it's kind of like, well, let's just do this.

So we've got more connections to that franchise.

And it's kind of like maybe they thought, you

know, in the next one, if we can get one, you

know, we'll do something bigger and better. But

that's kind of where I rest. It's like, you know,

Singer had a vision. He set out and he accomplished

it. And I rather enjoyed it. I liked seeing Superman

in a modern age. Although I think a lot of people

were expecting something different, especially

coming off of 2005's Dark Knight. No, not Dark

Knight. Batman Begins. And like I said, the trailers

for the movie even portrayed something darker,

more menacing. Than what it actually was. I mean,

but the second half, though, where he gets the

crap beat out of him, that gets pretty dark.

But I really enjoy that part. But, you know,

I think it's good. But like I said, I can't.

I think today is the first time I've watched

it in like six years. But like I said, I've only

watched that one scene like half a dozen times

because it's awesome Alright, let's head it over

to JT with just the facts and we'll be back with

more thoughts on shitty returns after this five

years ago Superman disappeared into the depths

of space upon learning that there were large

pieces of the planet Krypton remaining large

enough that some of his people may have survived

and In the time that he has been gone the people

that he once knew have changed Lois Lane wonders

of a Pulitzer Prize for article why the world

doesn't need Superman It also appears that the

megalomaniacal criminal mastermind Lex Luthor

is up to his old tricks. After Superman failed

to appear at his trial as a witness, Luthor was

released from prison. Lex then manages to con

a rich old lady into marrying him so that when

she dies, he inherits all of her money and kicks

the rest of the family out of the house. Not

wasting any time, Lex, his new assistant Kitty

Kowalski and his henchmen set off in his new

yacht and sail north for the Fortress of Solitude.

Lex guides them to the fortress where he loots

the Kryptonian crystals he finds inside. He also

activates the holographic Jor -El and uses it

to learn all about the planet Krypton and its

crystals. But what of Superman? As it turns out,

while Lex and company are in the fortress, Superman

has arrived back on Earth, his crystal ship crash

landing near Smallville, Kansas. He is found

by his adoptive mother Martha Kent, who takes

her wayward son back to the farm to recuperate.

Sadly, Clark reveals he made it to where Krypton

once stood, but found no survivors. After spending

a few days on the farm getting his head back

together, Clark returns to Metropolis and to

his job at the Daily Planet. He is welcomed back

by staff photographer Jimmy Olsen and gruff but

kind -hearted editor Perry White. Unfortunately,

Clark is not met by reporter Lois Lane, who is

currently onboard a supersonic jetliner being

used to launch a new space shuttle into orbit.

But as the shuttle is about to launch, one of

the docking clamps fails to release causing both

ships to tumble hopelessly out of control. Clark

swiftly changes into Superman and saves the day.

He unhooks the shuttle and sends it into orbit,

then flies and saves the jetliner from crashing

into a packed baseball stadium. Superman enters

the plane to check on the passengers and to drop

them a little reminder on a safe way to travel.

Well, I hope this experience hasn't put any of

you off flying. Statistically speaking, it's

still the safest way to travel. After he's sure

everyone is alright, Superman takes off before

Lois can talk to him. Unknown to Superman and

the authorities, the shuttle's technical problems

stem from Lex and his men experimenting with

the crystals he stole from the fortress. Lex

has his henchmen stand for drop a sliver from

one of the crystals into a mini lake set in a

train set in the basement of his new mansion.

Unexpectedly, the crystal grows to an enormous

size, destroying part of the basement and the

house, while also knocking out the power from

miles around. Returning to the Daily Planet,

we find Lois hard at work trying to find the

cause of the power failure, but Perry White orders

her to find out everything about Superman's return

instead. It's during this that Clark finally

reunites with Lois and meets her fiancé Richard

White, Perry's nephew, and their son Jason. Clark

later changes to Superman and meets with Lois

on the roof of the Daily Planet. Superman attempts

to explain why he left, but Lois says she doesn't

need an explanation. The world is kept on going

fine without his presence and she has outgrown

her need for him as well. Hurt by her words,

Superman throws himself back into fighting crime.

He stops a bank robber holding off police with

a gatling gun and saves Katie Kowalski from crashing

her Mustang. However, this is all a ruse set

up by Lex Luthor, who breaks into a museum and

makes off with a large meteor rock. A large green

meteor rock. It's about this time that Superman

returns to the fortress and finds the Kryptonian

crystals missing. And while Superman is dealing

with the home invasion, Lois continues researching

the power outages. Her investigations lead her

to Lex's mansion, though she doesn't know that

Luthor is involved just yet. She of course does

what any level headed mother would do in this

situation and brings her asthmatic son along

with her on the hunt. When they are unable to

gain access to the mansion, Lois and Jason sneak

on board Lex's yacht and are quickly captured

by Luther and his men. Taking them to the ship's

library, Luther reveals his plan to Lois and

Jason. Still obsessed with land deals, Luther

plans to use the crystals to grow new continents

that will wipe out most of the civilized world,

and then he plans on charging the survivors exorbitant

fees to live on the new land masses. Lex leaves

Lois and Jason to be watched by one of his henchmen

while he heads up on deck. Lex takes one of the

Kryptonian crystals and loads it into a Kryptonite

shell and then fires it into the ocean with a

cannon. The crystal reacts with the water like

before, growing a new island in a matter of minutes.

However, the land is infused with Kryptonite.

Lois tries to send a fax to the Daily Planet

warning them about Luther's plan, but she is

discovered by the henchmen guarding them. But

before anything can happen, the henchman is crushed

by a piano. Thrown by Jason. Small. Unassuming.

Asmatic, Jason. Three guesses who his dad really

is. Upon learning what has happened, Lex has

mother and son locked in the ship's pantry, and

then he and his people abandon the yacht for

the new island. But back in Metropolis, Richard

finds the facts and takes off in a seaplane to

rescue Lois and Jason. Clark attempts to follow

as Superman, but must save the city from the

resulting tidal wave slash earthquake the island

has created. Superman does what he does, stopping

fires, saving lives, and averting a dozen catastrophes

at the same time before heading out after Richard.

He finds the seaplane near the skewered remains

of the yacht and rescues Richard who had become

trapped with Lois and Jason. After making sure

Lois and Jason are alright, Richard takes off

with them and Superman flies off to confront

Lex once more. Superman lands on the island and

challenges Luthor, realizing too late that the

island is laced with kryptonite. With his strength

gone, Superman is easy prey for Lex's minions

who deliver a horrible beating on the man of

steel. Lex delivers the coup de grace, stabbing

Superman with a kryptonite shank and tossing

him into the churning waters below. Barely alive,

Superman almost drowns, but is rescued by Lois

and Richard, who return to help him. Lois removes

most of the kryptonite from Superman's wounds.

Superman wakes and thanks them for their help

before flying away to deal with Luthor. Superman

flies up above the clouds and absorbs a massive

dose of sunlight to counteract the kryptonite

poisoning. He then burrows into the seabed below

Luthor's island and carries it into space and

tosses it away before succumbing to the kryptonite

radiation. Lex and Kitty manage to escape before

he does this, but Kitty dumps the crystals before

they take off in a helicopter. Superman falls

to earth crashing into a park in Metropolis.

He is quickly carried away to a hospital where

surgeons are able to remove the remaining kryptonite,

but are unable to revive him afterwards. Several

days go by and Superman still does not wake up.

Everyone from Martha Kent to Perry White are

beside themselves with worry over Superman. Lois

and Jason come to visit and we see Lois whisper

something into Superman's ear and we are led

to assume that Jason is the result of Superman

and Lois's one -night stand for Superman 2. Jason

gives Superman a hug and a kiss goodbye before

they leave and when the nurse enters a few moments

later we see that Superman has woken up and flown

out the window. Later that night Superman flies

by Lois and Richard's house and slips into Jason's

room to check on his son and gives him some words

of wisdom that Jor -El once spoke to him years

before. Through your eyes, is your life. I've

seen through mine. A son becomes a father. And

a father... Lois is outside when Superman leaves,

and asks Superman if they'll ever see him again.

The Man of Steel simply replies that he'll always

be around. The film ends with Superman flying

off into the night, ready to protect the world

once again. After nearly two decades away from

the silver screen, The Man of Steel returned

to theaters with Superman Returns on June 21,

2006. The film was directed by Bryan Singer,

who had success previously directing the first

two installments of the X -Men film franchise,

as well as the upcoming sequel Days of Future

Past. The honor of portraying the metropolis

marvel went to newcomer Brandon Ralph this time

around, and he led an all -star cast that included

Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane, Kevin Spacey as Lex

Luthor, Frank Langella as Perry White, Parker

Posey as Kitty Kowalski, and Cyclops himself

Scott Summers as, I mean, Jason Marsden as Richard

White. The film was generally well received by

fans and critics. Film critic for The Village

Voice, Jay Hoberman, wrote that he thought the

film wouldn't leap a building in a single bound,

but that he loved how Singer remade the father

of all comic book movie sagas. And Washington

Post reviewer Stephen Hunter said the movie was

great fun despite its two and a half hour running

time. However, you can't please everyone. Other

critics complain about the lengthy runtime and

how Singer basically rebooted the franchise.

This film, like so many others I've talked about

before, had a plethora of famous actors and actresses

vying for the various roles. Actresses looked

out for Lois Lane included Alicia Cuthbert, Keira

Knightley, and Keri Russell. Johnny Depp was

looked out for both Lex Luthor and Superman's

dad Jor -El. And there were no less than 10 men

looked out for Superman. These included Josh

Hartnett, Paul Walker, Matt Bomer, Brendan Fraser,

Ashton Kutcher, David Boreanaz, Henry Cavill,

Jim Caviezel, Jerry O 'Connell, and Hayden Christensen.

It may be cold to note that Henry Cavill would

be later cast as Superman in this summer's Man

of Steel movie, and that TV's Matt Bomer would

go on to voice Superman in the upcoming direct

-to -DVD animated film Superman Unbound. The

script almost had a touch of J .J. Abrams to

it. The current Lord of Star Wars and Star Trek

turned in a script that reimagined Superman as

an exiled Kryptonian prince who grew up in Smallville

dating Lois Lane and is menaced by CIA agent

Lex Luthor. Yeah, probably would have had a lot

of lens flares in that one too. Director Bryan

Singer even went so far as to recreate the iconic

cover of Action Comics number one in the scene

where Superman catches Kitty Kowalski's runaway

car. But perhaps the most well -known bit of

trivia about the film is that it pretty much

ignores the existence of Superman's three and

four, picking up the story about five years after

the end of Superman 2. Bryan Singer said in interviews

that this change was made to the story in order

to bring newcomers to the franchise up to speed,

as well as serving as a refresher course for

longtime fans. Believe it or not, this was the

first Superman movie I ever got to see in theaters,

which I am kind of grateful for because the only

other one I ever had a chance of seeing was The

Quest for Peace. Kinda dodged a bullet there.

Suffice to say, I loved this film. Sure, it was

half a remake and half a reboot, but it gave

me something I had never seen before. Superman

on the big screen. Brandon Routh did an awesome

job as the new Man of Steel, and Kevin Spacey

was awesome, as he always is, as Lex Luthor.

The only real complaint I had about the movie

was Kate Bosworth. I just did not buy her as

investigator for poor Lois Lane. While there

was that and Lex Luthor still being obsessed

with owning beachfront property, I... Come on,

you're Lex freakin' Luthor. Build a kryptonite

death ray or something. This has been just the

facts for Superman Returns. I'm JT from Saskatoon,

sending you back to the rest of the crew on today's

edition of M -Wire. Later. Eh. Eh? Eh? These

are iconic. And they were taken by a 12 -year

-old with a camera phone. What do you got, Os?

I got those. Look, in the sky, Chief. It's a

bird. It's a plane. No, look, it's... You wanted

to see me? So we go back to Richard Donner's

Superman, oh I'm sorry, Brian Singer's Superman

Returns. Thank you JT for all those just the

facts, very awesome and interesting. I find it

strange and cool of all the people that JT listed

that were going to eventually play Superman and

one of them actually did! uh... matt bomer star

of white collar on u .s .a. network uh... voice

superman in the most recent animated features

for an unbound which uh... i severely even though

i haven't seen it but i'm not too much in in

agreement with dan's review of that film from

what i've seen of it it looks cool but anyway

uh... superman returns you know mike you're saying

earlier about can't you know can't you give it

it's you know it's do a little bit and that's

like yeah i can't wait like you mentioned with

the title sequence of the title sequences great

the only thing the main problem i have this movie

why i think it sucks is the plot in the story

that's that's the only reason why i think it

sucks is as as i said it's you know carbon copy

of richard donners films uh... and i know he

was trying to know sarah turned on my ship but

He could have just stayed on with x -men 3 and

made that he wanted to do both That's a whole

other side of this whole night. That's one of

the reasons why I hate Fox with a passion I Think

too that's a lot where the hatred from that movie

comes from is because that movie was such a disappointment

and came out this like a month before Returns

and people are like well if he's leaving if you

know Superman returns must be great if for that's

for the you know X -Men last and be such a dud

and then it wasn't the best thing ever So then

it in turns was the worst thing ever So I think

that's where kind of because there's like this

has a huge reputation of being a horrible movie

And I don't know where that comes from you talked

about the overall story and I do think If any

any of the start the Superman movie Superman

one two and this one though, those are strong

films Their plot hit were never that great it

They weren't that great, but they were enjoyable

You know for me as I said back in those episodes

here in the DC spotlight volume 2 if you if you

just go by the Lester version and not the the

recut Donner edition Superman 1 & 2 I like them,

you know, the plots aren't the best in the world,

but they're not... Like, Superman 2 specifically,

it's Superman versus General Zod. I mean, you

can't get much better than that when it comes

to at least one of Superman's rogue's gallery

outside of Lex Luthor. And I just wish... by

2006 that they would have done something different

with Lex, something that wasn't homaging Richard

Donner, something that was just new and different.

You know, you could have, like I mentioned earlier,

Justice League and Justice League Unlimited ended

two years before this. You could have had a human

computer mind -meld with Luther and Brainiac,

like what they did in Justice League Unlimited.

I would hope not. You also have to consider the

fact that This is the first, you know, the where

Superman is coming from and Superman isn't the

easiest sell in the world and You're are you're

taking a huge risk with this film and I know

we want to say like why can't they do like brainiac?

Well, because he's called brainiac It's that

character is going to be difficult to sell to

general audience on your first film When you're

maybe you're feeling Superman to like Superman

returns again or what -have -you you can bring

in more of the Rogues gallery But when you're

coming back people want to see Your big bad like

who is going to be that character and I understand

why they went with Lex Luthor Yes, his he's continuously

with this ridiculous land obsession, which is

kind of unnecessarily especially in the internet

age when land is not nearly as important as it

used to be but What I liked about Luthor in this

was I love spacey. I thought Of all the actors

he was the one actor that did make the character

his own and he didn't really rely on what hackman

did at all. This was spacey being Hammy like

this is he's taking like his character from swimming

with sharks and melding it with His you know,

his this own reflects loose there and he's really

just smarmy and he has a strong menace to him

as well. So I love Spacey's performance in this

does the story matter? No, I think what drives

this movie is not necessarily the plot Is it's

the characters is that's what's driving the movie

forward and I'm fine with that because I I Enjoy

these characters the pork and I enjoyed kind

of seeing them interact again Well, the other

thing too is I know like superhero movies were

just you know comic movies were kind of coming

into their own like this is you know, There's

still in the upswing but in so I know superhero

movies were just coming into their own but it's

kind of like an extraterrestrial Force at that

part Was kind of Would have been a little too

much to ask of the audience because I know Marvel

just kind of started introducing You know cosmic,

you know extraterrestrial things into their franchises

So it's kind of like did you I mean what was

it was the movie going audience just getting

into comic book superhero movies Would they be

ready for an extraterrestrial threat of that

kind? So I think it was better to to ground everything

in in in the humanity You know, I Agree because

if you look at I mean Iron Man didn't happen

yet. I mean we're coming up off of Batman begins

which really Brought the comic book movie back

to reality like you mentioned so trying to then

go from that and to bring it into even more like

Absorbent like did the like an alien force coming

in would be kind of I think like you mentioned

too too much for an audience to kind of be able

to digest it's I mean, that's why I think with

the X -Men films they kind of They're even their

characters were kind of died down for the most

part They didn't have any of the really crazy

characters like Phoenix didn't really come into

the third film and that's after they kind of

established themselves And even Marvel's first

cosmic movie Thor didn't have a whole lot of

you know extraterrestrial or alien or anything

like that in it I mean you have the frost giants,

but that's not a leap, you know, that's That's

not like a I don't know people are used to like

that like mythical creatures like that. They're

not It's like Lord of the Rings and yeah Yes

Which you know what which is why Marvel's so

careful with you know Bringing in all this cosmic

stuff and they're kind of teasing it to the audience

and kind of spoon -feeding it to them So that

when it actually does show up, holy cow Yeah

See I just I I you know, I think we're all in

agreement. I mean maybe I mean Dan hasn't said

it but I think we all would have liked to have

seen singer You know come at it with his own

take kind of like Zack Snyder is doing yeah with

his movie, but Snyder which we'll talk about

next week, you know Snyder is doing From what

I've seen from the trailers. He's doing Zod,

but it's his own version. It's his own he's not

trying to copy something. Even if Bryan Singer

did his own thing and they couldn't use Braniac,

like Dan said, because Braniac might not be marketable

to a mainstream audience, you sure as hell can

market Darkseid. Anyone can market Darkseid out

of that to a mainstream audience. He is basically

the big bad that is overlord of this world who

wants to you know destroy other worlds so i mean

i think he's a setup character though i don't

think he's uh we're gonna start a new trilogy

right here and this is like i i don't think i

don't think returns could have been like even

if returns was its own it was starting its own

thing like it drew a line in the sand like batman

begins did and said this is where superman this

is where this superman story starts i don't think

you could have done that i think he would have

been like a a teaser thing at the end and the

credits like you know dark side you know he's

like or You know, he's sitting there looking

at the planet from a ship in orbit. Like, I just

I think it would have had to have been more human.

Like, I mean, I don't even know if people would

buy Lex as like the president or at that point.

It's like, I mean, could they have done Lex in

the armored suit? I mean, I don't sure they could.

I mean, yeah, they could. I mean, that would

have been that would have been more plausible

to me than, you know, Lex in a kryptonite powered

suit would have been. More doable than say like

one of his his heavier hitters. I feel like that

would have been you know, the next movie Yeah,

which unfortunately we never know problem is

I'm sorry to cut you off the problem is and many

people and I have talked about this before Marvel

knows whether Marvel is licensing out to Fox

or Sony Marvel still has some of their people

attached to the projects. They know what they

want to do with their films whether it's the

licensed out stuff or whether it's Marvel Studios.

Because DC is owned by Warner, Warner is like,

Hugh, comics, put it in the corner. You know,

Warner Brothers has never embraced. And that's

why over the last, you know what, 30, 40 years,

we've only had Superman, Batman. Sure, that was

that there was you know Green Lantern and Jonah

Hex and stuff like that But that's not really

the big like Green Lantern could have been amazing

It really could have been if they had gotten

the right person to write that that script and

that story and gotten the right Actors act that

movie but with Warner Brothers, they're like

unless it's Batman or Superman. It's not gonna

sell but the DC though, I think Marvel was more

on the forefront for movies a lot out of necessity

because of where they were as a company. So they

kind of had to, you know, put their movies for,

you know, be more. And I understand that, but

what I'm saying is, like, if, you know, if DC

Entertainment, which is what is their entertainment

brand part of the DC Comics thing, is if DC's

entertainment division was its own thing and

was allowed, like Marvel Studios is now, to do

their own things, DC would do such great heights

for films. but because Warner Brothers is the

parent company and the executives at Warner Brothers

are, I don't know, a hundred and something years

old. I'm exaggerating here, but you know what

I mean? They're old fogies that, ooh, comic books,

no, we can't market that. You know what? I don't

know. Honestly, Warner Brothers has done really

well movie -wise, and I'm wondering how much

that is. And I'm going out on a limb here and

I'll just come out real right here and say I'm

not the biggest DC fan in the world I love the

Justice League cartoons. I love you know, the

Tim verse all that stuff I eat it up. Love it.

But at the end of the day I'm wondering how marketable

like how hard it is. I mean you gotta think how

hard is it to sell a Wonder Woman movie. I mean

just think about it for a second. It's a It's

not you have to be able to appeal to everybody

at some point you run into and again the kind

of a stretch But you run into like a John Carter

kind of thing like how do you how do you like?

I mean John Carpenter was originally like the

princess of Mars and And then it was like okay,

and Disney went well if it says princess in it

guys won't go see it And then it was like if

you do if you name it something else and girls

won't go see it So guy and then girls won't go

see it, but guys will and then it was like Well,

let's just call it John Carter, and then no one

goes and sees it So it's kind of like if you

call something Wonder Woman. Yeah, we're all

gonna go see it because we all know what it is

We want to see it, but it's kind of at the end

of the day How do you market something like that?

Like where do you mean? Do you change the name?

Do you do you pull like a man of steel and just

call it like Amazon? You know something do you?

I think it's possible. I mean if you can market

if you can make blade into a marketable character

I think you can take nearly any character and

do it because if you look at what they did with

those films they completely Change that character

and he ended up having the the comic books athlete

actually can copy the character from the movies

Yeah, but I know the go ahead. Sorry. Well blade

isn't a runaway success either. I Mean they were

they were they were rather successful for the

time compared to today. Yes, I mean their budgets

are a lot smaller They're not you know, the 300

million dollar films but if anything I'd like

to see DC do that because I think they have a

pretty strong gallery of characters and Yeah,

I mean they've been trying to do the level film

for like 20 years It seems like every time with

DC they get it's always in development and then

it never happens and I I do think like like you

mentioned Mike that some of those characters

are harder to market like the flash Like a guy

who runs really fast. It's kind of hard and their

characters are so powerful and so Godlike in

a way that they're you know, they're all hard

to relate to I mean that's an issue that Superman

has and people always point it for Superman But

you can just you could say the same thing for

all the characters except for Batman Which is

why Batman has been such a success, but an Iron

Man too. I mean, yeah Yeah, they're both just

guys with money and a suit and it's and out of

the out of those movies spun you know Marvel

spun everything out of Iron Man, but Right. But

my point here is not necessarily the most obscure

characters in DC, but like, you know, say you

have a new Batman movie that introduces, you

know, Dick Grayson Robin and Barbara Gordon Batgirl.

You could then, two or three, four or five, six

years down the line, you could have a Nightwing

movie or a Batgirl movie. You could do with the

characters that people, like most people know.

Because comic book culture today... has its infused

everyday life with almost anyone even the mainstream

audience so you could do those movies granted

you know someone like maybe martian manhunter

you might not be able to do or someone like uh...

mister terrific or uh... uh... you knows star

and uh... star and stripe you know you might

not be able to do the more obscure dc characters

but again my my point here is the main problem

is warner brothers won't allow them not to be

try not to interrupt not to you know interrupt

you here but uh... cow woman says hi insteal

no i know well yes nobody yeah only only major

nerds remember steel but no i know but what i'm

saying is if the next batman movie say for example

it introduces dick grace and robin and somehow

during the movie he and batman have a falling

out most of us know unless they're just gonna

leave it at the falling out most of us know what

happens with that grace and afterwards as he

becomes nightwing you could then have a nightwing

movie i'm saying the major major characters on

the catwoman still with catwoman i mean you know

michelle pfeiffer nothing as far as as far as

the current what's currently out there but uh...

as far as the live action, but getting back to

Superman Returns, I don't know. Let's talk about

the cast, because this, it's a star -studded

cast, it really is. I mean, even though Ralph

is a relative unknown, but Kate Bosworth, I mean,

Kevin Spacey can pretty much do no wrong in any

film role he plays. And, you know, like I said,

I do like certain things about this film, but

for me, and this is most of everything, you know,

the story matters to me. Might not matter to

most people, but it does matter to me, and if

it's a story I've seen before, then I probably

won't watch it again, no matter who's acting

it out. Cyclops is Richard White, oh I'm sorry,

James Marsden. Parker Posey is Kitty Kowalski.

Marlon Brando as Jor -El which that wasn't Yeah,

that was all Reshot stuff or not reshot but reuse

stuff from Superman one and two and actually

like that I mean we talked about using singer

doing Superman 2 .5 Superman 3 I think if he

just relied on like the Marlon Brando voiceover

and just maybe the the Score I think that would

have been enough but the kind of do is as much

as he did like I think it was a little too much

But I did I did like the corporation of Brando

coming back I mean we haven't seen him since

the first Superman film and I So I did like that

little touch Yeah The cast overall is a good

cast they they With what they were given for

a script. They they performed it well I do kind

of miss Otis though You know, it's actually kind

of a bummer that the movie turned out as bad

as the the script and the story is is as you

know quote -unquote bad as it is because I Believe

and I could be wrong. I think these are the same

guys that wrote x -men 1 & 2 Did he take them

he singer took them with him when he left? Let

me see here screenplay by Michael Doherty and

Dan Harris That could be very wrong. Michael

Doherty did write for X -Men 2. He didn't write

for X -Men 1. And I do believe Singer worked

with the screenwriters with X -Men, even if they

didn't get writing credit. They at least contributed

in some way. So it is kind of strange that the

story here is kind of, the script here is kind

of the weak part. Maybe they were too focused

on getting things. Or the homage. The homages.

Matt things get match up. Yeah, and then less

concerned about like, I don't know making a plot

that is interesting and you know connects really

well because there are we if you look at the

events of the film they kind of do print play

out really randomly like the Lex Luthor story

and this Superman story are kind of forced together

at the end just to kind of have them to me there

are some connecting the dots like with you talked

about the airplane sequence and I I think overall

the action is pretty solid but that is a one

stand -up moment and that's the one time where

you know the Lex Luthor storyline and the Superman

storyline actually meet and that you actually

have action not just for action sake but it kind

of relies on the plot as well but uh what did

you guys think of the overall like action and

the special effects for Superman Returns? I love

the the effects and stuff and the action the

action was great it really was of course you

know you got a squint to see the s on his chest

because it's so friggin small not that small

Compared to Man of Steel, it's fucking small.

You know what? On my TV, I can see the little

S's inside the S, so it's not that small. Wow.

Like I said, I like the plane scene. I love it.

I like all the minute detail that's in there

and the sense of speed that he's able to convey.

And I joked about it at the time. I don't so

much think that... Now like watching it today

like I did then but that scene it kind of felt

like My joke was with people was like I wonder

if that was like the last scene of the movie

and Bryan Singer just pushed Brandon Routh out

of a plane without a without a parachute And

just said fall to the ground while I film you

dying Because it looks really good and it did

at the time. It doesn't so much now, but the

other the other little feats in the movie I Didn't

really care for Like I don't really care like

they were just all feats of strength for the

most part Outside of him flying really really

fast a lot of the time Yeah, like the the the

saving of metropolis when he's like going through

and catching the gigantic daily planet ball or

you know Melting glass so it doesn't fall in

the crowd crowd overall I kind of found the action

was rather limiting for the most part and the

overall fun on climax especially was kind of

a letdown not necessarily the part where you

see him get the crap kicked out of him and But

more so just like where it leaves you I did you're

kind of waiting for a big moment and you see

you know He he throws the island in the space

and it seems to be Superman's moon for everything.

It's throw it in the space. That's the key It's

like I just throw it in the space. After watching

Superman 4 last week, it's just so much throwing

things in the space. It kind of goes crazy. But

yeah, I agree with Mike. I think we're powers,

I should say. There are moments here and there

that work, but overall, there isn't much action

in general. There's a few beats here and there,

but it really... There is that one bank heist

with that gigantic machine gun, which I think

was just there to put in the trailer. Besides

that, there really is not much to really go on.

What did you guys think of the bullet to the

eye? Because I know that that's what a lot of

people hate that. It's kind of... I get what

they're going for and it's an interesting image,

but it's kind of... I guess it's... I don't know.

It's okay. I don't hate it, but it is kind of

stupid. Yeah, I like the way I like the way it

plays out because he gets that look on his face

like yeah Like and then that scene is like over

with which I think is funny I just I think that

whole thing could you still could have done the

bullet to the eye in a much different way I Like

the way they did it in the trailer better from

what I could remember I think because I thought

in the trailer it was the actual gigantic machine

gun that hits him in the eye That's how it looks

in the trailer. Yeah For me, with the bullet

to the eye, it reminds me of Mission Impossible

2 with the knife to the eye that Wu likes to

do where the knife is like two inches from Tom

Cruise's eye in one of those final scenes. I

try to forget that movie as much as possible.

Mission 2 wasn't nearly as bad as Superman 4,

so... Like I said, I do enjoy the action. I do

enjoy the title sequencing stuff I think what

I take away from this movie is that I? Won't

ever watch it again simply because of the crappy

story If instead of because I actually looked

up the two different screen screenplay writers

or whatever They both worked on x2 neither one

of them as far as I can tell worked on x1 and

every time I here oh brian singers working on

this or brian singers working on that as far

as superhero comic book movies it seems to me

does he also do writing on them not just directing

because i could have sworn that was one of the

things with x -men 1 and 2 with this where he

was also doing part of the writing he's very

hands -on with his stuff I know that right yeah

he usually always gets a producing credit along

with the directing credit I don't think he's

ever been credited as a screenwriter yes see

and he has he's been credited for both X -Men

films as well along with first class as well

I forgot that he came back to help work on first

class it's very evident Yeah. Yeah, it's very,

very evident. But it's one of those things where,

to me, you know, Dan, you were saying earlier

where the plots don't really meet up. I'm having

flashbacks of last week. Yeah, it's as bad as

last week. No, it's not. No, I admit and I agree.

It's not as bad as last week. Just the overall

tone for me in the movie, I just didn't care

for it at all. But is it, the plot being haphazard,

could that be the fact that, you know, Superman's

doing his thing, Lex is doing his thing, and

they're both just waiting for Lois to stumble

on the plot? I think that's the issue, like,

Lois... I think that could be part of the problem,

yes. Because Luther never went after Superman.

He was just doing is that he was like stealing

Superman stuff and doing his own thing and superman

didn't know that he really stole his stuff until

after he already had it and Lois was the only

one like even investigating what was happening

in the entire movie like Superman didn't even

decide to look into why stuff happened it seemed

like they were kind of indifferent towards each

other like is as if Lex Luthor didn't even know

Superman came back and You know Superman was

even aware that Luther was out of jail until

like the last third of the film The one thing

I do wish that That singer relies on heavily

with Superman returns that was that they had

in their other in Superman 1 & 2 was like the

religious allegory You know how they make? Superman

into this savior figure and that that was one

issue that I had because it's so hand -fisted

and I think you can do that but I think they

kind of did it in such a forceful way that it

it was a little unnecessary at times when they

pointed out so much like the the one moment that

kind of comes to mind is when Lois Lane is flying

into flying with Superman and he's talking about

being a savior and that the piece she writes

about do we really need a Superman and I just

felt that Understand what they're going for.

I just it was that was already done. So Previously

and I just didn't think it was needed and didn't

really add anything. I to the overall context

of the film What about the kid No, I Didn't like

it in Superman 3. I'm sure as hell not gonna

like it here. Oh, there was a kid in Superman

3 I haven't seen I haven't seen three or four.

I think throughout okay well just without spoiling

for you if you ever want to go back and look

at at at three clark goes back to smallville

meets up with lana who is played by a metal tool

who would eventually play martha kent in smallville

okay she has a son it's not directly said that

it's superman's son there's no scene where he

you know lifts up a track you know that there's

no c It's said that she says that it's someone

else's son, but The way that the writing was

done in that film they make you want to think

that it's Superman's son But that's where this

kid came from was an homage to that I thought

it was an homage to them sleeping together in

Superman 2 It's both. It's both because yeah,

I I don't mind the kid I kind of like the fact

that they kind of made him Into this, you know,

here's the asthma and you can kind of see like,

okay So this is what happens if an alien sleeps

with an earth woman and they kind of have a kid

who has superpowers But he can't breathe correctly.

I do kind of think they telegraph that a little

bit too much but I don't know it seems it is

kind of odd because you make Superman into like

You know a deadbeat dad who's been a wife. Yeah,

but I don't know I didn't mind I know people

tend to hate that but I thought it was alright

It's not a huge issue with me. I If anything,

I think that would be something they could have

expanded on more if they did another movie But

I did Talking about the religious allegory to

the film that was one of the moments I felt it

actually worked like seeing him talk to his his

son and kind of Relaying the same message that

his dad did I like that moment? So I I think

that moment kind of made it work for me What

did you think powers I The kid didn't bother

me. But like I said, I I having no knowledge

of Superman 3 I just thought it was a direct,

you know direct continuation of events in Superman

too because yeah, I understand you can reverse

time but uh, I just thought it was a thing because

again lana was never in this like I don't know

Yeah, I think it is. I think that's the design

because it seems like singer is kind of forgetting

that three and four happened Yeah, I understand

which is kind of what I don't I think if any

Any correlation with the kid from three is just

by happenstance. It's not like meant to be there

from I'm not saying singer was directly homaging

it but You had asked and what do you think about

the kid and the first thing? I thought of was

because I had recently seen you know the last

couple of weeks I had seen Superman 3. I'm like

oh, it's reminds me of this. That's that's really

This movie I did while watching it today I there's

a you know, I mean we're not worried about spoiling

this but no it's after he hits six years old

seven years old after he hits the ground after

throwing You know the rock into space and he

hits the ground and it go it fades to black I

was just thinking in my head I was like cuz I

knew the movie still had like 30 minutes left

to go or something like that and I was like I

was like, you know How awesome would it have

been if it just ended right there? Yeah, like

that fade to black if it had just gone to credits

like Have you seen Superman and Batman Apocalypse,

one of the animated features? I think I have.

It's the one with Darkseid, voiced by Andre Brower.

It's based on the superhero last daughter of

Krypton. They have a moment, like what you're

just saying in there, where the battle ends,

it fades to black, and you think it's over, and

then boom, we're on the Ken farm! So yeah, I

know what you're talking about with that moment

I mean and it would have been cool if they just

ended it there because I and I obviously I Yeah,

I don't know if you guys have done Like the end

to darkness record or anything like that, but

yeah I just have this huge issue like into darkness

made me very much aware of this issue that I

have a lot with a lot of Hollywood movies right

now and that that that it's they are too afraid

to You know Wow the audience or shock the audience

into anything And I just think like if if they

had just the movie had ended with him like looking

dead in that crater Like and if they knew that

they were gonna get a second one, right? If he

just died if it looked like he had died that

I My mind would have been blown. I'd be like

man. I cannot wait for the next one Yeah, it's

I mean Yeah Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't mind that.

I think that last 30 minutes of the film is probably

the weakest of it. So if you're eliminate that,

I think that would probably overall make it a

better movie. And like you said, Mike, there

is this really huge agitation of leaving on a

down note. It's almost if they're so obsessed

with the cinema score that they don't want people

to walk out and have a be. disappointed or have

any type of negative thoughts. So it's always

going to be upbeat. So I thought that that would

definitely be a ballsy move if they're like,

and it like Superman, maybe he's dead, maybe

he's not or they end at the when they show that

the newspaper that Superman's dead. That would

have been interesting because it's just like,

wow, he may actually be. Yeah. That would have

been cool and it would have been very very interesting.

It would probably make the film even more decisive.

But hey, more power to you. Yeah, it's just I

don't know. And it's kind of, you know, it was

never more evident to me than when I sat down

to preview into darkness with my wife and she

sat down right next to me. She looked she looks

at me and she goes, if anyone dies in this movie,

I'm not watching the next one. And I'm like,

and in my head, I went, that is the problem.

That all movies face right now. That is why they

will not they they won't try to shock the audience,

you know, it's And we and we know that they're

on for three picture deals or four picture deals

like that That news is so prevalent today that

people know that going in so even if they do

kill a character like well I know he's gonna

be in three movies he has to make so he's coming

back So I think you do kind of run into that

issue. Like I would love to see a Marvel film,

you know You know who knows if Robert Downey

jr. Is coming back. So okay kill him off That

would be a good way to kind of deal with it.

I would love to see that actually happen So that's

one of the reasons I'm sorry getting off track

here, but we kind of just dived into this pulling

punches stuff But the that's one of the issues

I had with the Avengers is that whole last scene

with Iron Man and the missile, you know They

had already announced Iron Man 3 like four days

before the movie came out. So I'm like well Clearly

nothing happens to them So I was wasn't even

in that movie when you like if you hadn't seen

that news you'd be like, oh my god Then it's

like how many people are like us that are aware

of these multi -contract deals and how many people

just are like I'm gonna go see this movie because

this guy's in it I saw the trailer and this guy's

in it and then you know, it's Yeah, I think the

vast majority probably have no idea but I think

you know the core, you know the people that are

going into it because they love the characters

before the movie was ever made, they probably

do now. So it's kind of like, that's kind of

a thing you're damned if you do, if you're damned

if you're doing it as a screenwriter because

you're making them so far ahead of time that

you have no idea. What's going to happen? So

it does especially when a trailer has like one

of the final money shots in it and then you're

kind of waiting for that to happen because that

also was an issue with that moment because you

know Well, I saw in the trailer the whole catches

iron man and that hasn't happened yet. So I know

that's gonna happen So I think that's like you

there's so much we go into with a movie that

it's hard to be surprised Yeah, you know and

then the other thing is too when you try to market

the next movie It's how do you put a trailer

out there for a Superman movie without putting

Superman in it after you've shown him dying in

the previous one? You've already spoiled something

Yeah, that's that's true All right, we're gonna

take a quick break and then we're gonna come

back with our final ratings and final thoughts

on superman returns We'll be back afterward from

Dante Hicks It ends on such a down note. I mean,

that's what life is a series of down endings

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Um, Mike, what do you rate the zero to five stars?

Oh, man. I, conservatively, I mean, if I'm, I

don't know, three and a half, four? I really

liked it. So yeah, probably I'll say four because

I actually do like this movie. It's not obviously

it's not cinematic gold and it does have some

of its hokey moments. But I think that's because

of the we keep throwing around the word homage.

I just think of it as a direct sequel to the

I think it's just him trying to maintain a vision

that was set out by the guy that had the franchise

before him. But I think he said I think the movie

succeeds in doing exactly that so Yeah for Dan

I I do think it's overall successful. I do think

the issues are there are relatively some really

huge Problems with it, but I think the success

is outweigh the the problem So I give it a solid

three which is you know, which is like I liked

it. I don't I think it can improve on certain

things, but overall I think it's a solid effort

I think the issue is far outweigh the good parts

about it, so I'm gonna give it a 1. I just, I

don't like... If we weren't doing this, Spotlight,

I would have never watched that movie ever again.

Or wouldn't have either. I just... Honestly and

may and maybe and I don't I usually don't like

to fall back on my whole oh, it's nostalgia thing

But honestly, I would rather watch Superman 4

again than watch this again. I Know Dan's over

there Yeah, I mean that's your own personal hell

that you can live in I don't know So alright

Mike what's going on with off the cuff? We just

recorded an episode today. We just ramble on

about the Xbox One announcement. I don't know.

That's about it. It'll go up Friday. Which would

have been about three weeks ago. What? I'll tell

you in a minute. We hope you enjoyed our review

of Superman Returns here at Myers DC Spotlight

Volume 2. And I wish you'll join us next week

when we'll be talking about the brand new Zack

Snyder, Man of Steel, which hopes to be the best

Superman movie ever. For now, I am TF2 and Mike

with... Mover your vault in. And Booth Ninja

81, Mike Powers. Keep your eyes to the skies,

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