GCR – Episode 53 – Top 100 Animated Films 80-61

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back in town! Hello and welcome to GeekCast Radio

episode 53. I'm one of your hosts, TFG and Mike.

Joining me is Optimus Solo. Hello. Hello, good

sir. Steve Megatron. Hello. Hello. And MovieRevoltDan.

Hello. Hello, how are you? Pretty good, pretty

good. Today we continue on with the countdown

of our top 100 animated films. We are revealing

numbers 80 through 61 in this episode. Any past

business we need to get out of the way, Kev?

I mean, most people I'm assuming have listened

to the first episode, so they should know what

we already counted down as far as 100 through

81. Just a few notes on that. We did see a lot

of variety. We saw a healthy dose of Disney.

Saw a couple sequels, a couple foreign films,

a couple anime films, some DreamWorks, a couple

films from DreamWorks, a couple films from the

DC Universe. So we had a good start. Any reactions

about the first episode before we move on to

this next group of 20 from you guys? I don't

think it was solid. I did like the fact that

we had a big mixture of movies. A little disappointed

to see my number two go down really early. Hopefully

number one doesn't show up in this episode. But

yeah, I think the cool thing was seeing how,

yeah, we did have a lot of Disney, but there

are a lot of random films in that episode that

I wasn't expected to see. And I was surprised

to see so many newer films. I'm guessing we'll

see less and less of that as we go on. Yeah.

I think one thing, too, I was thinking about

it over the week here and just kind of also thinking

back to the top 100 animated series countdown

that we did. And I want to say if you were to

classify each chunk in the first episode, which

is always 100 through 81, that first set of 20,

usually I think that ends up being those that

might not be as widely voted on. It's not going

to be the ones that are on, you know. majority

of the list but it's films that are ranked high

by you know a few people so films that really

resonate with some people and just might not

even be on the radar for others that's usually

what you kind of get in that first 20 as you

move into that second 20 80 through 61 I feel

like that's when you get more of the films you

start getting films that are on more of the list

across the board but not necessarily ranked as

high. So it's more kind of like films that do

make it on a lot of people's lists, but not the

majority of them are ranking them real high.

And then as you move up with the list into those

other sections, that's when you start to get

both. You get a combination of both films that

are on a lot of lists and ranked high by a lot

of lists as you move up and up. So the first

20 kind of blending into this next 20, that sometimes

can be... put on the list because a few people

really like it and we'll see less of that as

we go forward it almost becomes um not mandatory

but it seems like it becomes almost a rule that

you have to start being on a lot of lists as

as you get into the halfway mark of the hundred

countdown but yeah i like the diversity we had

in that first episode and i'm looking forward

to seeing reactions to other episodes as we go

forward to see where uh where we might start

to see, you know, if there are biases, if there

aren't biases, if we're, you know, we're going

to start getting a better idea of, like you said,

with like the newer movies, are we going to see

all those just right at the beginning and then

they fade away? Are we going to see certain companies

just at the beginning and fade away? You know,

have we seen all the sequels? We're going to

see stuff like that. So I'm interested to see

how we go through here. I think at least out

of the classic films, Disney will never go. They've

made too many movies for them to just have what

we had in episode 52 and then not have anything

here or any of the upcoming episodes. So you

just never know which one is going to be, though.

And again, like I said last episode, it's interesting

to see as like within a certain company or whatever,

how they stack up. So like, you know, if we were

to take all the just for an example, the Marvel

and DC movies, how do they rank amongst themselves

as we go forward? And how do people feel like

that fits? Same with DreamWorks, et cetera. Any

other thoughts before we move on? I'm good. I'm

good as well. All right. All right, so let's

see where we start today's episode, starting

with number 80 today. Remember, we're going 80

through 61. We had a, like I said, a healthy

dose of Disney last episode, and that is definitely

where we're going to start off this week's episode.

So coming in at number 80, Disney film from 1999.

Does anybody know which one that is? Tarzan.

That would be Tarzan. Start off again. Remember,

I should say, as far as points go, since we had

20 people's list, the most points you could possibly

get would be 2000. That's if you would be ranked

number one on every single person's list. So

Tarzan comes in at 411 points. So that's where

80 is at the 411 mark. It was on nine people's

lists. The highest it got ranked was 10. Had

Rotten Tomatoes score of 88. Mike, what do you

think about? Starting off today's episode with

another Disney film, this time Tarzan, and how

does it rank in comparison to the Disney films

we had last episode, which would have been Aristocats,

Pocahontas, Princess and the Frog, Oliver and

Company, A Goofy Movie, and Lilo and Stitch?

Well, it's easily better than Princess and the

Frog. I know your opinion on that. You know,

the funny thing is with this one, this is one

of those movies, and this is going to be really

strange, and I believe I've told this story before,

but I don't remember. I know I've told one part

of it. When I was a kid and Batman 89 had got

released to VHS, my mom was in JCPenney over

a Christmas break, and they were playing it on

the TV there. I just sat there the whole time.

Flash forward to 99, I don't know, I was in Sears.

My girlfriend at the time was off shopping, doing

whatever, and I just sat there and watched Tarzan

for like two or three different times. And the

coolest thing about this movie is the fact that

they got Tony Hawk, pro skater, to do the motion

capture for the animation for the tree surfing

scenes. I did not know that. As far as how it

ranks up with the others, my personal bias, I

would put Oliver and Company over Tarzan. I enjoy

Oliver and Company more. But Tarzan is not a

bad movie in any way. It's got really good voice

acting. It's got amazing animation. The story

is good. I mean, I like it. I'm happy it's here.

I don't think it's better than... Well, I do

think it's better than, you know, a goofy movie

and all that other stuff. But I don't know. It

really depends on what I'm finding out as we're

doing this list. It really depends on the person's

tastes because a lot of people might like the

story of Lilo and Stitch and a lot of people

might like the story of Tarzan. I know for a

lot of people this might appeal to them because

of if you're adopted, you know. So that might

kind of... even though Tarzan was adopted by

apes, but you get the drift. Dan, what's your

thoughts on Tarzan starting off today's countdown?

A little surprising. I would probably, to me,

this is like when Disney was starting to kind

of, they hit their peak and they were going a

little bit downhill. I don't think Tarzan's a

bad movie. I wouldn't put it up this high. I

mean, I do agree with some of the animation of

this. Tarzan surfing on the trees looks pretty

cool. I just felt the story was lacking. It didn't

have an originality, say, of like a Lilo and

Stitch or the creativity or the fun of like an

Aristocats or something like that. It was good.

I wouldn't even say like Pocahontas. I think

it has better songs. Like I can't think of a

song from Tarzan. Just because it was maybe at

that time in 99, I really wasn't watching many

Disney movies. But I don't know. I don't dislike

the movie, but I think I would have of all the.

I would probably put it more in the 90s and then

in like, you know, 81 or 80 where it is now.

I am going to agree with you. For this, for me,

Tarzan was one of those that that was part of

the decline where I lost interest in Disney.

It was just in that range, you know, in the late

90s where I felt like they just kind of fell

off the map for me. So I really didn't have much

of an interest in Tarzan. I would say that I

don't know the ages of every single person that

submitted a list for us. I don't know if possibly

we had a couple people that were at the right

age at this time. I guess we'll have to wait

and see how many other kind of late 90s films

we have come out. Maybe this is a product of

people that were submitting lists being at the

right age for this to resonate with them, where

it doesn't necessarily with me because I'm a

little bit older. But I would definitely not

rank this higher than Aristocats. I know it's

only two spots difference, but I wouldn't rank

it above that. And like you said, I probably

wouldn't rank it above Pocahontas either. Not

that I like anything about Pocahontas, but I

usually think of it in a little bit higher regard

than Tarzan. But like I said, for me, it just

wasn't the right time for me to really get into.

Steve, what do you think about Tarzan? Actually,

this is funny because it's pretty close to where

I ranked it. I like the film to some degree only

for the same reasons that Mike and Dan already

listed. You know, animation, voice acting, and

then they had... I only remember one song from

the soundtrack because it was in the movie. The

You'll Be In My Heart by Phil Collins. But that's

the only thing that really stuck with me from

that film. I do remember the animation and all,

and that's kind of interesting to know that Tony

Hawk did the moves for it, which actually kind

of makes sense. Um, but I have to agree. I'd

rather, I mean, yeah, it's like piss, uh, picking

the lesser of two evils in essence, but, um,

I would rather watch like Lilo and Stitch or

Pocahontas than watch this. Yeah, I agree. So,

I mean, I don't know. Like I said, I think we'll

be on the lookout to see how the 90s stacks up

and if there was an age that maybe resonated

with that as we go through. Maybe I'm just grasping

at straws. That might not be anything to do with

it, but we'll be on the lookout for it. But like

I said, something that didn't resonate with me,

I'm not surprised, I guess, that it made the

countdown, but I agree with Dan. I probably would

have put it in the 90s somewhere. But we'll see.

Maybe we'll agree with our next one. All right,

next up, number 79 on our countdown. And guess

what, folks? We're going to stay in the wonderful

world of Disney. This time, we're going to jump

a few years, though, all the way to 2007 for

Meet the Robinsons. On the same number of lists

as Tarzan on nine lists, the highest it got ranked

was 12th, interestingly enough, by the same person

that ranked Tarzan higher than everybody else.

So definitely a Disney fan amongst us. Did not

quite score as well on Rotten Tomatoes as Tarzan.

It only had a 66 on Rotten Tomatoes. Interesting

that we're jumping a little bit ahead here. So

we have a combination of both Disney and modern

movies, which obviously we've seen more of that

mix than anything else so far through the first

22. Dan, how do you feel about Meet the Robinsons

coming in one spot higher than Tarzan? Think

the only thing I don't even know if this was

for me to Robinson's but was that joke with the

Tyrannosaurus Rex thing I have a really big head

and really little arms. I think it's the only

thing I remember From about that movie. I honestly

didn't even know it was a Disney movie to be

honest. I Really really surprised to see it this

high we talked about like the late 90s, but You

know the mid to late 2000s like 2009 that was

even probably worse for Disney, you know, they

weren't besides maybe Lilo and Stitch and a few

others. I don't know, like Meet the Robinsons

is... I'd never, like I said, it was similar

to Rise of the Guardians is one of those movies

I saw and never thought I'd really go back to

again. So like you mentioned, maybe this is a

different age range of people that hit them at

the right spot. But for me, it was one of those

movies I watched and I don't know, there was

not much to it. Steve, thoughts on Meet the Robinsons?

Um, and while I'll kind of argue against that,

um, because I watched the Rise of the Guardians

again on cable like three days ago, um, and I

can see where that falls flat, um, again. Um,

this film, I don't think it does as much. I mean,

there's, there's some good comedy bits in there.

There's, uh, I like the fact that it's got like

the futuristic, um, part of it with time travel

and uh you have the basically the friend who's

wronged and then decides to use a psychotic invention

that this said character creates and uh it's

it's basically a revenge story but it's also

a discovering uh of a family kind of thing so

i mean it's I see where they were going with

it. Yes, there were a couple of flaws with it,

and there are some key points that are funnier

than others, like with the frogs or with the

dinosaur or with the, you know, I have a tiny

head and itty bitty arms. But, no, I mean, I

ranked it in my top 30 because it's better than

some of the other late Disney stuff. unless you

count Pixar, but that's completely different.

I would say for the 2000s, this being an actual

Disney property, that it's one of the better

ones from the 2000s since the mid -90s, but I

find it overall enjoyable. I kind of agree. I

think out of... I mean, I wouldn't rank it super

high, but I think out of the Disney films that

came out in that brief window, it was probably

one of the better ones they had to offer. But

I think Dan's somewhat right that that was, you

know, kind of like me, just a continuation of

the 90s. And it was like the 90s were kind of

the late 90s were kind of like a fall off. I

didn't really care for him as much. And they

had this little era where. Like, yeah, it was

a different look and different type of animation,

but it still wasn't hitting the mark, especially

when you're comparing it to other stuff that

was coming out from other companies. And for

me, it wasn't until just recent where they kind

of had a switch or a turnaround. I know Mike

will disagree with me on that one. But Mike,

have you seen Meet the Robinsons? In pieces.

I just it it's one of those movies that I've

heard about and I've heard about and I've heard

about and I just have really no interest either

way. I don't think that I would put it this high.

I would probably switch it with Dan's number

two. Well, I appreciate that. There's a lot of

other movies, though, that are below this that

it should definitely beat anyway. Yeah, I mean,

I would put it above some of the stuff. I would

rank it higher than Tarzan. I have no problem

with it coming in a spot ahead of Tarzan. But

like I said, I still don't think I would rank

it above some of the other Disney stuff. I wouldn't

rank it above Aristocats. But I don't know. It's

interesting to see how these Disney films kind

of shake out a little bit. And I'm interested

to see as we're going forward and once we get

to the end, how we rank Disney films across the

board. I also think it... kind of like you said

before, it kind of depends on the age range and

what, what era you saw this in or, or other Disney

films for that matter, because Disney being the,

uh, time spanning conglomerate that they are,

it just, it, it depends on one, your personal

taste and two, when you saw it in your, in your

life. Yeah. And I, I think that's, what's interesting

about these 2000 ones too, is the fact that,

um, We're all adults. Yeah, nobody is judging

these 2000 films because of, you know, the impact

it had on them as kids. We might get, we will

get that, you know, for 80s and before because

there's some of us that are that old. And I'm

suspecting we're going to get that with some

of the 90s stuff because I'm having a feeling

that there were some people in this countdown

that were the right age for the 90s films. 2000

films, we're basically judging as adults. So

to me, that's interesting to see how they fall

exactly. Dan, any other thoughts before we see

what's next on the countdown? No, I'm pretty

good. All right, well, let's see what we have

next then. 78. All right, coming in at number

78, we're moving away from Disney, at least for

the time being, and we're going over to a different

company. Also starts with D. For 2005's Wallace

and Gromit, The Curse of the Were -Rabbit. Doing

a little claymation animation here for the family

comedy from DreamWorks. As far as Wallace and

Gromit goes, it was on nine people's list. So

that is consistent so far in today's episode.

All three films have been on nine people's list,

which is just under half. The highest ranking

it got was 26. So it's kind of interesting. This

one basically had on a lot of lists but never

ranked very high. Specifically, it was ranked

more kind of in the middle type thing. Rotten

Tomatoes score, this one has a 95, so very highly

rated on Rotten Tomatoes. Let's start with you,

Dan. What are your thoughts on the Claymation

film here? Well, I love Wallace and Gromit to

begin with, especially their shorts. I think

the Wallace and Gromit, of course, where a rabbit

isn't as good as some of their shorts, but it's

still a really fun movie. The Claymation is really

clever. I'm a sucker for good Claymation. I love

the production company that does this. And that

British humor works really well with these characters.

And it's a fun story. And I think what's always

consistent with Wallace and Gromit stories is

cleverness and a lot of really great sight gags.

And two, it does what good animation should do.

And it hits on every level. Like there are a

lot of jokes in there for kids, but there's a

lot of jokes in there that adults are going to

appreciate. Maybe even more so. Like, I don't

know, many kids may not even enjoy Wallace and

Gromit as much as adults. It's interesting because

HBO has been actually playing this a lot recently

because it's near Halloween, so I've been watching

it here and there in pieces. And it's really

funny, and I'm really happy to see it here. And

it's the Claymation, even though, I mean, 10

years, it's about, what, nine, eight years? It

still holds up really well, and I just, the amount

of time and the amount of dedication that Claymation

makes, it just, I don't know, to me, it always

impresses me when it's done well, and Wallace

and Gromit is pretty much the epitome of good

Claymation. Yeah, and I'm very happy, too, like

you said, that it's on our list somewhere. I

think it definitely deserves a spot somewhere

within the top 100. I don't know where I exactly

would fall with it. I mean, I know where I voted

on it, but... As this shakes out, I don't know

if I'm going to be happy where it is or if I

think it should be a little bit higher. This

is a movie that I didn't really have any interest

in right away. I like some Claymation stuff and

other Claymation stuff I don't. And for some

reason, I just kind of was not turned off, but

it just didn't grab me right away. But I finally

watched it, I don't know, two, three years ago.

And I did like it. I think it's pretty unique.

It's pretty clever. I don't always like British

humor, but I don't think this is exactly British

humor. It's more for a wider audience. And I

really enjoy Wallace and Gromit, everything that

they do. It's not necessarily what I would typically

gravitate towards, but I do think it's definitely

got some quality there and some deservingness

to be in our top 100. Steve, what are your thoughts

on Wallace and Gromit? Okay. I'm going to be

kind of somewhat in the vein of Mike here. uh

no offense mike uh but uh oh i've i've seen it

like i i know that they did this that aardman

uh animation did uh like a lot of the claymation

on the peewee's playhouse and stuff like that

which i was fine with it in that kind of um scenario

but As far as their films are concerned, the

only one I can stand watching is Fleshed Away.

I've tried watching most of the other ones, including

this one. For one, I can't stand British humor,

even if it's in the slightest of tones. Something

about it drives me nuts. So that's one strike

for it with me. And then two... I can't stand

this animation style of the claymation. There's

some claymation that I'm fine with, but this

is not it. So I didn't even rank this one because

it just kind of something about it rubs me the

wrong way. Yeah, it's definitely not something

for everybody. And I think that's part of it

that I tried to get past when I watched it. And

I do enjoy it for it's like. the story and the

plot and some of the characters but i agree as

for some some parts of it do visually turn me

off a little bit of it um but i think you know

it definitely is unique compared to some of the

other films that we're going to get over the

course of our list dan final thoughts on wallace

and gromit um uh yeah like i'm surprised i guess

like you said claymation would not be for everyone

but i don't know like i think this is Like this

Claymation, even if you remove that, you have

a really good story here. And yes, it's British

comedy, but it's really light British comedy.

It's definitely not as, you know, it's not something

like Mighty Python by any means. But I'm curious

if we'll see more Claymation on the list. I'm

doubting we'll see any more Wallace and Gromit,

but we might see some from that production company.

I have one movie that's kind of... that's one

of my personal favorites that hopefully it'll

come soon, but, uh, yeah, I don't know. It's

pretty much all I have to say. All right. Well,

so far for those keeping in tally this episode,

we've had Disney, Disney, DreamWorks, and, uh,

let's see where we go from there. All right.

To answer my own question, we go Disney, Disney,

DreamWorks, and then back to Disney. Um, this

time, very close to the year we started with,

we're going to go down to 1996. Mike, do you

know what that would be? You knew 1999. Do you

know 1996? 96, 96. No. I put you on the spot.

All right. Well, number 77 is 1996's Hunchback

of Notre Dame. Only on eight lists. So the first

time we've gone under nine here, only on eight

lists. So it was ranked a little higher amongst

those lists. The highest it got ranked was 19.

Rotten Tomatoes score of 73. Curious, especially

since it's only three years. prior to Tarzan,

how you guys feel it compares into Tarzan. It's

three years earlier and three spots higher on

our list. Mike, what do you feel, Hunchback of

Notre Dame, especially compared to Tarzan? I

want to say, first of all, that, like you said,

Kevin, the Disney films after Aladdin and all

that were kind of spotty for you. I'm the same

way. They were, like, after... Aladdin and Lion

King, they were really spotty for me. Sure, I

saw Pocahontas. Sure, I saw Tarzan. Hunchback

has never been one I wanted to see at all. It

just didn't interest me at all. I don't think

it's bad, good, or otherwise. I just never had

any care for it. So, I don't know. All right.

Steve, how about you? What do you think Tarzan

and Hunchback comparison since they were so near

each other in the countdown? I would much rather

see Hunchback over Tarzan. There's more memorable

moments between Quasimodo and the statues. And

then, of course, you have the late, great Tony

Jay as the villain in this film. So that's a

couple things going for it. I think that along

with Pocahontas in this film, I think that's

where it started the decline majorly. These are

still like kind of borderline OK movies. But

beyond these, I think that's when Disney started

going down the tubes. And that's why they needed

Pixar to pick them back up. I kind of I ranked

that film in my 50s range. Myself, but. it's

not a bad story at points it seemed to kind of

drag or it just kind of was your kind of at that

time the typical disney plot line that seemed

to be kind of reused between like hercules and

tarzan and pocahontas it's you know the one person

has to save everyone kind of plot line that they

just kept recycling with just different characters

in a different setting so I mean, in that sense,

it's kind of forgettable. And I know we keep

referencing this time frame, but we're talking

about the 90s and Disney just to get it out there

so that listeners might be wondering, you know,

what we're talking about. What I'm talking about

when I say it specifically is post Lion King.

Lion King came out in 94. um so then after that

we had pocahontas in 95 hunchback in 96 hercules

in 97 mulan in 98 tarzan in 99 so that's the

time period i'm talking about um for those one

two three four five movies uh which so far you

know we've seen a majority of them um and that's

kind of that time where i started to fade away

starting with pocahontas and then going into

hunchback i did not see that one right away I

didn't see any of those right away because I

kind of like lost interest. Dan, what are your

thoughts on Hunchback compared to Tarzan? Well,

compared to Tarzan, I do think it's much better

than Tarzan. Just the overall, I think the story

is more fleshed out. The characters are stronger.

Like some of the side characters, like the gargoyles

are much more interesting than some of like the

gorillas and Tarzan. And I think the voice acting,

the voice cast. Is better. I'd rather have George

Constanza than Rosie O'Donnell any day of the

week. But the movie itself, as a kid, I remember

not being the biggest Hunchback of Notre Dame

fan. It was a movie I liked, but it did not nearly

have the same impact as The Lion King or Aladdin,

which is kind of an unfair comparison. But it

recently came out on Blu -ray, and I checked

it out again, and I was actually kind of impressed

or surprised about how good it is. It's a lot

better than... credit for maybe because of what

it came out near it was a victim of unfair comparisons

like it just couldn't live up to what was out

at that time I do agree it's nowhere near those

like the top echelon of of Disney by any means

but I think it's right solved there in the middle

and I think this is a good spot for it I do think

like they took that that story of the hunchback

and They Disney -fied it like they always do,

but it was done well. And the characters were

strong, and the songs were really good too and

rememberable. So I'm happy to see it here. I

am curious if we're going to start seeing more

90s, you know, like Hercules, like you mentioned.

But yeah, I would say if you haven't seen Hunchback

in a while, maybe go back and checking it out.

You might be surprised that it's much better

than you anticipated. That's what I discovered.

completely hit something on the head there um

if you were to take that group that i read off

those five films i think hunchback is the one

that gets the worst um rep for being in that

group what i mean by that is i think it's the

looking back and and over time and and You know,

as history will have it, it's I think the best

or possibly the top of that entire group. But

because it was in that time period, it gets overlooked

or gets lumped in with the rest of them, where

I think it's possibly closer to the types of

movies that we had been getting before. over

some of the other stuff we get in the 90s. So

I think you're right. I think it's one of those

ones that's better over time. It's not as bad

as you might have thought it was. Obviously,

some people didn't think it was bad. Some people

enjoyed it right away. But I think sometimes

it does get lumped into all of those 90s movies,

and it's a little bit better than some of the

ones that we've been talking about. I think it

deserves to be higher than Tarzan, at least in

my book. So, all right. So, again, Disney, Disney,

DreamWorks, Disney. What is coming up next? 76.

Okay, I promise it's the last time I'll do this.

I'll answer my own question, though. Disney,

Disney, DreamWorks, Disney, DreamWorks. So number

76 on our list is from 2004. It is the third

sequel that we've had so far. And Mike, if you

do that again, I will reach through the computer

screen and punch you in the face. You usually

ask me to guess. Number 76 is Shrek 2 from 2004

from DreamWorks. It was on 11 lists. So that

is the most we've had in today's episode so far.

It went over half the list. It did crack somebody's

top 10. T -Busy had it at number 8 and 89 on

Rotten Tomatoes. So moving into our third sequel,

are we surprised that Shrek 2 made the countdown,

Dan? I'm not too surprised. I mean, the Shrek

franchise is gigantic. I'm hoping this means

that Shrek 3 and Shrek 4 didn't make it because

those movies I believe are not very good. Shrek

2, I think is... I'm sorry, I have to disagree

with you. For ending the franchise, Shrek 4 was

pretty good for closing out the franchise. I

thought Shrek 4 felt like a TV movie and not

an actual... No, that's Shrek 3. They both do.

I mean, the Shrek... I remember when Shrek came

out. not to talk about Trek before on this list,

but it was one of those game changers. It was

completely different, something that took the

world by storm. And then Trek 2 came out, and

obviously not nearly as good as the first one,

but still pretty solid. I mean, you had those

characters. It played with that concept a little

bit more, bringing them to happily ever after,

going even more into the idea of playing with

the... the tropes of fairy tales, and I thought,

like, Shrek 2 was probably the last time that

they did interesting things with that idea, and

it wasn't just full of pop culture references.

Yes, they were there, of course. They're always

there, but there was a little bit more to it.

I'm not a huge Shrek fan. Like, it's not something

I would put on the same level as some other franchises,

but I think 76 for Shrek 2 is fine. I appreciate

more so like Walt Wallace and Gromit more so

than track two, but yeah, I mean, it's, you can't

deny that it was a huge gigantic franchise that,

you know, made what a trillion made a trillion

dollars from Michael Myers and Eddie Murphy.

So it's the best thing Eddie Murphy has done

in a while. So Mike, your thoughts on, on track

two coming in at 76 here. I was wondering, when

I first saw Shrek, I was wondering how they were

going to do a sequel and how the story was going

to play out. And I really enjoyed Shrek 2, but

it really does play the cliches a lot, though.

Like the whole fairy godmother thing, because

it's playing two fairy tales, and I get that.

And I thought it was, I did think it had a lot

of humor, and especially when Prince Charming

is like, wait, what? She's already been rescued?

What kind of story is this? But I'm happy to

see it here. I don't necessarily, I will agree

and disagree with Dan. Yes, I don't want to see

Shrek 3. anywhere above this but Shrek 1 and

Shrek 4 for the beginning and the ending of the

franchise supposedly because I haven't heard

news about a fifth film so um those two are really

really good because at least the fourth one I

always thought put a better spin on Rumpelstiltskin

than was ever told well Steve settle this here

how do you feel about Shrek 2 in comparison with

Shrek 3 and Shrek 4 um I don't like the Shrek

series very much. The first film was good. And

then I feel like they progressively get worse

as they go on. I think that they, yeah, I think

that they start grading on you. The, the more

the films go on, I don't care if the fourth one

is kind of, it's separate on its own thing. It

should have probably been just a TV special or

something and not Shrek four, because technically

it really didn't have anything to do with the

previous three. I mean, it did with the first,

but I mean, again, it's not. It's like they're

saying here, we'll throw money in it here, make

another one. So, I mean, in that sense, I don't

I don't particularly care for them past the first

one. And as for the Eddie Murphy jab in there,

he's always fond of making an ass of himself,

literally. So that that fits, too. um no i mean

i don't have a problem with it showing up i mean

i hope to god the third and fourth one don't

show up in here now um if any of them need to

show up it should be the first but again i didn't

vote for two three or four because i think the

first one's the best out of the franchise so

yeah and looking at this through a different

light here um Looking at it compared to the other

sequels we've seen so far, we've seen Despicable

Me 2, An American Tale 2, and now Shrek 2. How

do those three stack up for you, Dan? Wow. This

is probably nostalgia speaking, but I would probably

say I enjoy Five O' Goals West more than Shrek

2. I just think as the Shrek franchise went on,

it just became more and more self -aware. And

it was just in on its own joke. And, you know,

Donkey, what started off as like a character

that was a great side character just became annoying

and more and more annoying. But so I would probably

say five of those. I don't know technically if

it's a better movie. It's just one that has a

more soft spot in my heart than the franchise.

And go ahead. I didn't vote for. There's only,

I think, one franchise I voted for sequels to,

and it wasn't Shrek. So I would say no, but I

do think it does deserve one. But I'm not completely

up in arms with Shrek 2 being on here. I will

be if Shrek 3 or 4 are. I think that'd be ridiculous.

But Shrek 2, you could do much worse. And it

didn't introduce the world to Puss in Boots,

which is a really cool character. Mike, as far

as the sequels go, Shrek 2, American Tail 2,

Despicable Me 2, thoughts? Despicable Me 2 beats

them all, hands down. I can get behind Mike on

that one. And without naming any films, without

naming any franchises, without stating the obvious,

we've seen three sequels. Does anyone expect

to see too many more? Or are we almost done seeing

sequels outside of maybe some of them? We're

nowhere near done with sequels. You're just nowhere

near done. I said it before. Out of a lot of

these film companies, Disney is the longest running

film production company as far as animation goes.

And they have too many films in their library.

Like, if we were to, let's say, not that we did

this, but, you know, next time for a Top 100

Animated Films Countdown, say we cut Disney off

at, like, 1940. That would cut their stuff. probably,

or even if we cut it off at 1960, yeah, let's

go there, that would cut a lot of their stuff

in half. But since we included almost all of

it, as far as not limiting the year of release,

Disney's going to rule this countdown as far

as how many it's going to have on the countdown.

Speaking of strictly sequels, one franchise I

think is... You know, it's pretty obvious that

we're going to see more of it. Maybe not necessarily

Disney Disney, but related to Disney in some

ways. I don't know besides that. Like, I can't

think of other franchises that we would see,

other sequels we would see. I know Disney, like

Mike said, Disney has a long history, but a lot

of their sequels aren't very well regarded at

all by any means. I know we're getting more and

more sequels. now than we are are i could see

more like spinoffs like we could see some more

of those like i don't know like the other spinoffs

to like shrek's franchises or other franchises

i don't think we'll see that many sequels if

we do it's going to be limited i would assume

okay well that is the first five for today and

uh like i said it's been all disney and dreamworks

let's see if that changes with our second group

of five 75 all right Starting here now with number

75 on our countdown of top 100 animated films.

And we are finally starting with a company that

does not start with D. No DreamWorks here, no

Disney, no 2000s, no 90s. We're getting unique

here, and I'm very happy. Starting off here with

number 75, we're going all the way back to 1978.

For the film, I hope I'm not the only one that

has seen this film on the panel here. And that

film is Watership Down, a British film from 1978.

It was only on seven lists, but on those lists

it was ranked pretty darn high, including getting

all the way up to number four on one contributor's

list. 81 Rotten Tomatoes score. And Dan, I'm

going to start with you. I think you've probably

seen this, and then I can talk a little bit about

it after that. Yes, yes, I have. The Watership

Down, the notorious PG movie that is still getting

complaints to this day. I read something that

I think Watership Down gets more parent complaints

than any other movie in history because if people

have not seen it, it's about rabbits. But it

is one of the most bloodiest cartoons for kids

I think I have ever seen. But beyond just that

part of it, it's a really good movie. I think

I had that... I don't know exactly, but it was

at least in my top 30. Strangely enough, not

a movie I watched as a kid. Came to it later

as an adult. But I just love the concept, the

way they militarize the rabbits. And it's really

interesting. And the animation, I think, is fantastic.

The 70s has a lot of unique versions of animation.

And what it stripped down to me is really great.

The use of the rabbits, especially in their combat

and stuff like that. It is a movie that may not

be suitable for kids with the amount of violence

in it, but I do think it's really well told,

and I do just love the way that they... It's

a really heartbreaking story, but really uplifting

at the same time. It's hard to say without giving

spoilers away, I know, because a lot of people

may not have seen it, but... Again, this is one

I think people can maybe discover by listening

to this list. And if you have not seen it, like

you can tell just by the number of people who

have ranked it, ranked it highly. It's a really

well -made movie that deserves it. And I would

say probably deserves to be higher than it is.

Yeah, I actually do think it deserves to be higher.

And for those that haven't seen it or haven't

heard of it, you need to go seek it out and watch

it. I don't care. Don't be, you know, of the

mind that, oh, it's just some British thing or

some old thing or whatever. I have no interest

in it. It's worth a watch. Most people will enjoy

it, see it. Excuse me. A couple things here.

Total Film, which we'll reference more in our

wrap -up episode after this is all down. They

actually named Watership Down the 47th greatest

British film of all time. That's not animated.

That's the 47th greatest British film period

of all time. An interesting tidbit about this.

The investors in the film received a 5 ,000 %

return on their investment. That's quite a stat

there. Art Garfunkel and some great music within

the series. But like Dan said, this is just a

dark, mature, animated drama. And it's just interesting

to watch. It's so unique. It's so emotional.

It can connect with you on an emotional level.

Some people might be, yeah, you're going to hear

some British accents, and the animation might

not be what a modern audience is used to, but

this is high -quality animation here. This is

something that is completely unique compared

to anything else that I think we'll probably

see. I'm not saying there's not other unique

films, but there's not going to be another film

on the countdown, I think, like this one, or

that can compare to how this one is. Dan, can

you think of any that compare to this one? I

was actually thinking a good comparison. I don't

know if it'll make the list would be like Animal

Farm, just because there are two movies that

are very mature. I don't think Watership Down

is nearly as deep of an allegory as Animal Farm.

And I think Watership Down is probably better

just because the animation is stronger and it's

more fleshed out. I think the story holds up

like the translation of Animal Farm to. book

to you know movie wasn't the greatest uh compared

to watership town i don't know if watership town

was a book or not but i could see it being one

but yeah i don't it's hard it is unlike anything

and it it it has a tone that you're not really

expecting and one that i think you could not

make today i don't think you can make this movie

today um the way they did back then so but yeah

it is unique it's probably one of the most unique

films we've had on the list so far uh mike or

steve have either of you seen this one Nope.

Nope. All right. So I'm just happy that we broke

the Disney DreamWorks fix there for a while.

Definitely a unique film to start this next group

of five. And I'm interested to see what reactions

are going to be as we move into number 74. 74.

Definitely doing some time travel here going

from 1978 all the way up to 2007. For number

74, we talked about Watership Down being somewhat

unique with the last one. I guess this one's

unique as far as we haven't seen anything quite

like it yet on the countdown. I'm going to have

some interesting things to say about this one

that I think people are going to disagree with

me. But number 74 on the countdown is 2007's

TMNT. It was on nine people's lists, just like

kind of half of the first ones that we were talking

about there. As highly ranked as number 27. So

nobody ranked it super, super high. Mike, you

were the one that had it highest. It may be in

the contest for the lowest film on our countdown

as far as Rotten Tomatoes goes. It only gave

it a 34. I don't know if we've seen anything

that's been lower than that. I'd have to go back

and look. Mike, what's your opinions on TMNT

coming in here at number 74? It's a really good

film that's loosely based or continues kind of

the storyline and plot lines from the 2003 animated

television series. It has those characters, that

style, those voice actors. The animation's good.

The story is good. I mean, the trailer itself

was like, where's Leo been? Where'd he go? You

know, it's kind of like one of those things.

Oh, he's coming back to New York. I really liked

it. I thought it was interesting. I thought it

was interesting that you have a story here where

all four brothers get into a fight and everybody

went their separate ways. It's just so humorous

that Donnie is tech support. Raph is out being

a vigilante. Wow. A bat turtle. Yikes. I really

like it. I thought it was a really good film.

I think this film is... infinitely better than

turtles forever. Oh my God. It is. It's not as

good as turtles forever. I'm sorry. See, that's

what, that's what my problem is. If, if, if a

turtles film was supposed to make this list,

it should have been turtles forever. Are you

kidding me? Not with the fact that the turtles

film turtles forever film producers were non

-union and couldn't get the actual voice. It

doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. The fact that

they all sound like Michael Lynch, the, all the

87 turtles sound like Michelangelo is just dumb.

I don't even know what you're talking about.

Turtles Forever for me was far superior than

TMNT. I'm not sure if either of them necessarily

deserved to be on our top 100 list. I did vote

for Turtles Forever fairly close to the bottom

of the list, but I did vote for it. I think this

being on the list instead of Turtles Forever

is a mistake. I think this coming right after

Watership Down as a higher ranked movie is a

mistake. I just, I don't know. I don't see it.

Maybe some people meant to vote for Turtles Forever

and accidentally just put TMNT. I don't know.

Steve? I voted for both films. This one I put

it in my high 40s, and then I put Turtles Forever

at 25. To me, Turtles Forever is better than

this film. Although, to keep on subject of this

film, I do like the CG animation that they did

use in this. I did like the fact of the voice

actors and the fact they kept everybody pretty

much from the show, or if they did replace people,

it was people that sounded believable. They had

Jean -Luc Picard as the lead Highlander -type

role in this film. There were callbacks to various

other iterations of Turtles in it as well, and

it kind of was a continuity combined with...

the 2003 but also kind of with the original actual

live action films because there were there were

subtle ties to both in parts of the film um it's

overall enjoyable as a standalone um but again

i uh i can't disagree with where it's placed

but i think that as long as turtles forever beats

it i'm fine This is like the, this is more, more

or less, this is like the, the world's finest

compared to the dark night returns part two.

It's, it's the same type of argument here. Oh

my God. Did you just compare turtles forever

to the dark night returns part two? Okay. Yes.

The story in turtles forever is amazing. I'm

saying in terms of our previous argument we had

in the last episode, I'm saying that's how I'm

comparing them. I'm not saying that it's, it's

the same. It's not, it's not the same type of

level of dark night returns part two, because

that is infinitely better than all of the other

three that have been named. But yeah, I'm just

saying in terms of the turtles one, it's just

checking in terms of the turtles ones. Turtles

Forever beats this one on those principles alone.

Dan, any thoughts on the Turtle franchise? I

mean, I loved the Turtles as a kid, but I'm not

nearly as big into it as you guys, I guess. I'm

not a big fan of Demon MT. I saw it. I've watched

it. I just don't dig the animation all that much.

I guess similar to how Steve doesn't like the

claymation for Wallace and Gromit. I just found

this... I mean, I love CGI animation or computer

animation. I just found the animation in TMNT

very stiff. The movement was just awkward. I

thought the story was kind of corny. I know it's

a cartoon for kids. I understand that, but I

don't know. I loved the live -action movies,

and I just thought that... To me, that TMNT is

just like, okay. I felt like more of a desperate

attempt to keep that franchise going during that

time. I just, I don't know. I would not nearly

put it up this high by any means. I honestly

never even heard of Turtles Forever, so I can't

have any comment on that debate. But regarding

this movie in particular, I'm just, I'll be honest,

I'm not a fan. the reason turtles forever resonates

more with me is because of the concept that they

did there with having they had dan basically

what they did is they had all the different versions

of the turtles within the same movie so you had

the 1987 more you know comical as some people

would call it versions of the of the characters

um interacting with the 2003 version interacting

with the actual comic book versions of these

characters so it's just kind of interesting to

see the the interaction of those that's what

i kind of found interesting about it but yeah

i wouldn't put tmnt anywhere this high yeah i

mean that that concept does sound interesting

i've honestly i just never watched the movie

so i can't give an opinion on it but yeah regarding

tmnt i think this is where some of the geek uh

uh biases comes in which is part of why we do

this but uh yeah i don't know i'll be interested

if that other movie comes up because maybe i'll

have to check that out as well so and it's going

to be interesting too because it's kind of i

mean i know some people might make an argument

that some of the dc stuff that we've seen or

whatever is based on cartoons but it's more so

based on the comic books obviously this is for

what i see as as we've gone through here and

we're on number 74 the first time that we've

seen a film uh that's basically coming out of

what was a originally a television cartoon And

there's been plenty of films based off of cartoons

over the years. I'm interested to see how many

will show up on our countdown and how those will

rank amongst each other. So that might be something

to look out for going forward, too. So let's

see what's next. 73. That's right. We have had

four films now in a row without seeing anything

from Disney. Number 73 is from the year 2000.

And it is another entry from the DC Universe.

And I'm afraid to go any further for the reaction

that we might get from one of our panel. Number

73 is Batman Beyond Return of the Joker. It was

on eight lists at 451 points as an 86 Rotten

Tomatoes score. And it is our first film in our

top 100. that we are seeing that was ranked number

one by one of our contributors, and in this case,

one of our panel members. Steve? Damn it! E3,

are you effing kidding me? Oh my god. Either

that was a late reaction, or I don't know what

you're reacting to. I... And I know that you

have to be kind of a superhero fan. I understand

that. And I will argue this was kind of a toss

-up between my number two. So, I mean, even then,

it still bothers me. This film, to me, is important

on multiple levels. One, it continues the Batman

Beyond mythos and the only film that it was going

to have. Uh, this was actually supposed to be

the second DCAU, um, animated feature to actually

hit theaters, which I think it would have resonated

better had it went to theaters rather than going

straight to DVD. Um, but at the time it was,

um, when it was, uh, coming out, there were,

there were certain reasons and, uh, I can't remember

off the top of my head, but, uh, that it never

made it to theater. I think it had to do with

something of the blood and some of the level

of. It was it was some of the violence in the

censorship that they were going through. Like,

for instance, there's an edited copy of this

film and an uncut version, which one features

the blood is instead of the blood and the writing

is like a off purple instead of red. uh where

and there's differences in how they kill the

joker in the flashback scene one is off screen

and one of them is you actually get to see him

get shot uh so there's those two differences

with it as well but i think that it's like the

last hurrah for the joker kind of explaining

what happened to him in the animated series and

through justice league and through into beyond

But it also ties up a lot of other loose ends,

such as the younger Robin, Tim Drake, and explaining

some of what happened back in the day and giving

reasoning behind a lot of it. But it also added

the interesting twist of having the Joker return

via a bio microchip, which was implanted on a

character in the past. So in that essence, I

find this to be very interesting, and it's very,

very dark for the DCAU. I think this is also

part of how it ended up getting well on its way

into a lot of the later DC animated universe

films that they started doing shortly thereafter.

But, yeah, I'm kind of hurt to see that it's

not, you know, at least in the top 50. Our first

number one has fallen. But you're not alone because

Mike had this ranked number two. Yes, exactly.

And what you didn't hear, listeners, and it's

a good thing you didn't, is I was on mute a minute

ago when Kevin announced this. I actually just

hit my microphone against my desk, got up, and

walked away. Because I'm sorry, at 73, this is

just so wrong. It's at least top 40 because of

the animation style, because of the voice acting,

because of the storytelling, everything about

this movie. Even, as Steve already mentioned,

the connections between... bruce wayne batman

and what happens here it's just so damn good

as far as the censorship stuff um I could have

sworn, I think it's either in the commentary

for the film or it's on one of the other DCAU

DVDs that Bruce Timmons said that they were doing

multiple shows back then. They were like wrapping

up on new adventures. They were starting Static

Shock. They were working on Zeta Project for

the spinoff from Batman Beyond. So that was one

of the reasons why I remember Bruce Timmons specifically

said they just had no time to get... the feature

done for theaters. That's why they said, let's

just put it direct to DVD. Well, also, now that

I'm reading back at it, not to cut you off, but

they had to heavily edit and remove scenes of

extreme violence in some dialogue. I guess it

had a PG -13 rating, which is why they had to

cut it down. Yep. To me, this is a good example

of what I was talking about before. I think the

first third of the countdown. We get to see films

that are very highly rated by a handful of people

that they're responsible for getting it as high

as, you know, you guys are going to want to help

to get to the spot that it was. But that it's

not since it's not on a majority of the people's

list. That's why it falls into this third of

the countdown. It's not until we get to, you

know. where there's a consensus across the board,

and the second third, where we'll see that. It's

kind of the same situation that we saw with Wallace

and Gromit or a movie like Watership Down. You

guys have never seen Watership Down, so you guys

obviously didn't vote for that. Some people don't

like claymation, so they didn't vote for Wallace

and Gromit. Take me, for example. I don't have

a single Batman film on my top 100. I've never

seen any of them. It's that situation. We had

eight people that ranked this one, ranked it

pretty high. Dan, what is your thoughts on Batman

Beyond Return of the Joker? I'd love to play

a devil's advocate here with Steve and Mike,

but I don't disagree. I love Batman Beyond Return

of the Joker. It was where we saw Terry McGinnis

come into his own and fully become Batman. It

was a great way to end that series or just bring

it into a head. It's one, too, that gets better

with the... uh justicely uh unlimited because

it even ties into that as well with with different

aspects and using in the like calling back that

was the technology and stuff like that too of

how joker was able to be reborn uh i don't know

if i would put it as high as mike and steve did

i think i put it in i'm not sure exactly 40s

or 50s around there because i do really love

it um I do think, like they mentioned, the animation

is really solid. Even though it is a direct -to

-DVD release, it has the animation of a theatrical

release. I don't think it's as... If you look

at this, and the big comparison would be to Mask

of the Phantasm, I don't think it's as big of

a step up as that one is, if you were to compare

them. But it is a really strong story that gets

into some... Really interesting ideas and gets

into the mythos of Batman in new and interesting

ways. So I do love it. 73, I do see the argument

of saying this does belong in the top 50. I don't

know if I would say top 10. I think there's a

lot better movies. I said top 40 at least. Yeah,

I could see that. That I do think there's an

argument there for top 40 for sure. But what

I find most interesting about Displacement...

Of all things, I thought this list, after we

started with the last episode and we had World's

Finest and we had Dark Knight Returns Part 2,

that you would have too much of a superhero bias.

But with this coming in 73, maybe that won't

be the case and maybe won't have a huge superhero

bias with this compared to maybe with the cartoon

series one, Top 100. But again, I do love it.

I think it's a great movie. Great voice acting.

And that series is just so spot on. I think we're

about to have an interesting discussion. All

right, it's time to let the discussion of the

past entry continue in a way, I guess, because

we're going to stay in the DC universe here.

Number 72, we're going to go 12 years into the

future from the year 2000. We're going to go

to Batman Dark Knight Returns Part 1. Also on

eight people's list, just like Return of the

Joker was, did not get ranked number one by anybody.

It did get ranked number five by one entry. So

it obviously was ranked higher amongst the eight

people that listed it. And it is our third film

on our countdown so far that has the honor of

receiving a 100 on Rotten Tomatoes. So we saw

that with Kiki's Delivery Service and Ninja Scroll.

Batman Dark Knight Returns Part One also currently

has a score of 100 on Rotten Tomatoes. All right,

so let the... Discussion continue amongst you

guys, starting with Dan this time, since you

were just talking about it in comparison with

some other DC films and our superhero bias or

lack thereof or how that was going to pan out.

Dark Knight Returns Part One coming in one spot

ahead of Return of the Joker. What are your thoughts

on that? Well, I should probably insert my foot

into my mouth right now. As I say, we probably

won't have a superhero bias and then we have

two superhero movies back to back. So but how

do they that's that's a really tough question.

I think Dark Knight Returns Part 2 is superior

to Dark Knight Returns Part 1 and Batman Return

of the Joker. I would say Batman Return of the

Joker, I would probably put ahead of Dark Knight

Returns Part 1 because it is a complete story

that holds up within itself. Part 1 of Dark Knight

Returns does as well, but I think that the main

crux of that story, it's almost like a... a prologue

into the better story that you get into with

part two um i think it's like it does it doesn't

necessarily groundwork it's a it's a great movie

um i don't it's uh the animation's fantastic

uh the voice acting uh you know robocop as an

old bruce wayne is awesome um but i would say

i would probably reverse this i'd put dark knight

returns part two here but part one where part

two is And then put Return of the Joker, leave

that where it is. I think that would be the proper

order. Mike, thoughts on that? I mean, I don't

know. I liked part one when I watched it. I thought

it was a really cool movie. I think the creepiest

part out of the whole movie is the fact that

Yakko is one of the stalkers. Slice and dice.

Yeah. Like, Rob Paulson voices one of the criminals,

and he just does a really, really, like, you

have never heard of Rob Paulson like this. If

only to hear this voice, Kevin, you need to watch

this movie. I'm telling you, it's going to creep

you the hell out. As far as the placement goes,

like I said last time, I haven't seen part two

yet, so I really can't. argue about where part

two should be uh as far as beyond return of the

joker and this flip -flop them in my personal

opinion flip -flop them because return of the

joker was 10 times better than dark knight returns

part one what about um if we're looking specifically

um at the two dark knight right dark knight returns

um part one and part two because we had part

two at 81 and now we have part one at 72 so they're

about a 10 spot difference um should they be

that far apart from each other and should they

be in the order that they were in is one of as

part one a better film than part two steve you'd

have to answer that i i don't think it's two

different sides of the coin like you have a lot

of um kind of working up two things in the in

part one whereas part two is the payoff for part

one so it's almost kind of wrong to even have

them separated yeah because they are meant to

be even though it is part one and part two they

are not it's basically a two -part episode really

i mean i think it's it's it's the equivalent

of you know a lot of you know part one part two

films that are out there anyway but The first

part, there's not really, I mean, there's a little

bit of action, but there's not really a lot of

action. It's a lot of the setting up for the

second film, which the part two, I will say hands

down that is infinitely better than part one,

but it's also showing where everybody's at in

their life and what's going on that leads them

into the part two and how they all end up, whether

it be the Joker, Superman, Batman. um the the

police commissioner that replaces gordon and

you know everything else i mean it's there's

there's all these different characters that are

getting an evolution through the through the

the two films but again i still think that part

two is infinitely better than part one and return

of the joker should have been uh higher then

part one, or at the very least, part one and

part two get flip -flopped. And just so everyone

knows, and most listeners might know this that

pay attention to the DC Universe animated films,

the only reason why this adaptation got split

into two films is because of the fact that The

Dark Knight Returns is such a large, scoping

story. That was one of the things, going behind

the scenes here a bit, Kev, when I told you that

I don't think they should be separated. It should

just be one film that's ranked on the countdown

because they're not two separate entities. As

Steve said, one is the setup, the other is the

payoff. I don't know. You can't mix and match

these because they're not two different things.

Yeah, I disagree with that because I think you

can. I would say Dark Knight Returns is the same

situation you would have with... Batman begins

in Dark Knight. It's that same type of issue

or situation. One sets your foundation. One establishes

the universe that you're in. It sets the characters

in motion. It brings in the origins. It brings

into where the characters are going. And then

we see that a lot with all comic book sequels,

Spider -Man 2, X -Men 2. You know, just because

if they would have named those different, I don't

think we'd be having this discussion if they

would have just named it Dark Knight Returns

and then Dark Knight Returns 2. We'd be treating

it just like a sequel instead of like two parts.

But because of the way that the story is structured,

the way they adapted it from the material, it's

not a two part story. It's one story that they

could not. They didn't want to just try to trim

it to fit the 70 -minute direct -to -DVD feature.

They wanted to be able to tell the whole story.

I can get both sides of the coin here. Because,

again, I can see where it would be, for instance,

just throwing this out there. Like, for instance,

the last Harry Potter film or something like

that, where they split the movie in two. I can

kind of get that in a sense that that's one way

that people can see it, but I could also get

the way Dan's seeing it, that, you know, it is,

you know, the typical, you know, set up and then,

and then pay off like, you know, dark, you know,

the, the Batman begins in dark night. I mean,

it's, it can work both ways in, in essence, because

even in Batman begins, they show the Joker card

at the end and it leads you right into the dark

night. So, I mean, again, it works both ways.

It just depends on how you plan to portray it.

But, again, I think that part two, story -wise

and pacing and everything else, I think that's

infinitely better than part one. If you look

at it this way, like with part one, there is

an arc there to that story that is established.

You have a three -act structure that is... complete

by the end if you were to make part one and you

were to end it there yes you do kind of live

leave it a cliffhanger with you know how it ends

but it is a complete story and it you know it

wouldn't be like just like you know hitting the

pause button and then we were then uh uh you

know starting over again so i mean i obviously

that they are very connected and they are within

you know they're adapting the same the same novel

but i think so i mean I mean, I think the bigger

argument here, though, is, you know, where exactly?

You know, are these properly ranked? Or do all

these deserve to be on the list? And I would

say part two does deserve it. I think just for

variety's sake, I probably would say not to put

part one on this list because I think part two

is, you know, all you really need. And then I

think part two would probably be higher, but

maybe some people haven't had the opportunity

like Mike to see it yet. That's the reason why

part one is outranking this. But if you do this

list, I mean, you're going to have this for a

lot of movies. But if you do this list five,

ten years ago, I'm pretty sure part two is going

to outrank it. It's like The Empire Strikes Back

to the Star Wars. It's that sequel that completely

is enhanced compared to the first one. I mean,

not that the first one's bad. It's just... has

the opportunity because of what is established

in the first one to be a better movie and i mean

you couldn't get that superman batman brawl in

part two if things weren't done in the first

one they kind of set the pieces in place to explain

why that why that fight would need to take place

so i have nothing more to add you basically said

everything okay real last thing before we move

on here without naming any names or any titles

How many more Marvel or DC movies should we see

on the countdown, given the fact that of the

ones that we've seen so far? Start with Mike.

How many should we see based on the fact that

we've already seen now Dark Knight Returns Part

One and Part Two Return of the Joker? We've seen

World's Finest. Are we done? Are there are there

ones left without naming any? It depends on what

they are and where they rank, really, because

certain ones are better than others. The funny

thing is, we haven't had any Marvel animated

movies on this yet. It's all been DC, because

DC excels at animation, and Marvel excels at

live action. Yes, well, there is that. And there

are some really cool Marvel films, like the Hulk

vs. films were pretty cool and stuff like that,

and Planet Hulk was damn cool, but Marvel in

general doesn't. They're more focused on live

action. It's really funny with those two companies.

Marvel is more focused on live action. DC is

more so focused on animation. Yes, I know there's

this whole big hubbub of Batman versus Superman

and potential Justice League and all that stuff

in the future, but they're two very different

companies when it comes to films, both in animation

and live action. Dan, again, without naming any

names, should we see any more Marvel or DC films

on the list? Well, the keyword being there should,

I could only think of one DC, at this point in

the list, considering what we have named and

how far we are, I could only think of one DC

movie that we should see. I can't think of any

Marvel movie that we should see. I could think

of one that could possibly come up. It's one

that's probably the most critically acclaimed

or the one that's most adored by fans from their

line, but I think... I think we should only see

one more DC movie, but with my track record lately,

I don't want to give any predictions because

it seems like I might be wrong. Steve, do you

agree with Dan or not? No. I think we'll see

probably three to four more DC animated films

without naming them. As for Marvel, I don't...

Well, I mean, I don't know of any really. I mean,

I know of like two or three that they've done,

but DC is like, it's like Disney to DreamWorks.

I mean, it's Disney beats DreamWorks with a shovel

and these, you know, or Disney beats DreamWorks

with a shovel and DC beats Marvel with a shovel.

So, I mean, it's kind of, again, that same kind

of road. I think we're going to see more DC than

we are Marvel of anything in this list. um superhero

wise all right well you'll have to stay tuned

and see which one of these gentlemen is right

and what will we see if anything from marvel

or the dc universe but for now let's end the

marvel dc discussion and move on to something

more familiar 71 that's right there's not too

many spots left in the 70s Number 71, and I almost

need to put my foot in my mouth, even though

I didn't necessarily comment on sequels, but

this is one that I completely forgot even was

a sequel. So I guess we will have another sequel

on our list, and it comes in at number 71, and

that's 1990. We're going back to Disney for Rescuers

Down Under. It was on 10 people's lists, and

that is only the, let's see, one, two, it's only

the third film to crack the... feat of being

on at least half of the list that we've gone

over so far now that we're at number 71. The

highest it got ranked was number 10 by TV's Mr.

Neal. Rotten Tomatoes scored a little low there,

68. I completely slipped my mind that this was

a sequel, otherwise I... It's because there isn't

a two next to it. Yeah, I know. That's why. I

know. So, yeah, Rescuers Down Under going back

to Disney this time. For number 71, Mike, why

don't you start with this one? What are your

thoughts of Rescuers Down Under as its placement

amongst the list, as its placement amongst sequels,

or does it deserve to be on our top 100 or not?

Oh, yeah, it definitely deserves it. I actually

saw this in the theater. I think the opening

day it came out or the opening weekend it came

out, and this was... The one film that I was

like, oh, cool, a Rescuers movie. Because before

this, I still to this day have not seen the original.

I've seen bits and pieces of it, but I haven't

ever watched all the way through. And The Rescuers

Down Under was kind of like, as a kid, it was

my film as far as those characters go. And I

thought it was great. The animation is great.

The voice acting is really good. The story. Well,

we've probably seen it, you know, a boy and his

pets. We've seen that a million times before.

I thought it was very well executed. Seeing the

golden eagle was great. What is it? What was

that villain's name? McLeach, I think. Wow, I

can't believe I remember that. I'm looking it

up. McLeach and his little lizard friend there,

pet whatever the hell. That lizard is on an equally

creepy level as the Siamese cats from Lady and

the Tramp for me. Well, that is Frank Walker.

Okay, yeah, but I'm just saying the design, the

look, the feel of the character on the animation.

As far as does it belong this high, I would say

yeah. Um, as far as amongst the other Disney

films, I would also say, yeah, because I really,

really enjoyed this. Like I enjoyed this more

than I enjoyed Tarzan more than I enjoyed Pocahontas

more than I enjoyed, you know, a lot of the other

Disney films that we've already had on the countdown.

Um, so I'm happy with its placement. I still

think Batman Beyond in front of the Joker needs

to be above it. But anyway, um, Dan, your thoughts

on that rescuers down under. I loved Rescuers

Down Under as a kid, and this might be sacrilegious,

but I enjoyed it much more than the original.

I just, I mean, that hit me right at the sweet

spot growing up. Something about, I think, I

could be wrong, but was this the first Disney

movie to ever use any type of computer graphics?

I know that they had that awesome looking vehicle

that was, I think, very enhanced through computer

CGI, but I could be wrong. It's been a very long

time since I've seen it. I do love the two characters

of the Rescuers. The animation of the eagle was

pretty awesome. And like Mike said, it's a really

well done story. And for whatever reason as a

kid, I just ate this movie up with a spoon. Does

it deserve to be this high? It's hard to say

without knowing what's coming next. But I do

think of all the Disney movies we've probably

talked about today. I would probably put it ahead

of all of those. Just coming, like, Tarzan, I

think it's better than. Hunchback of Notre Dame,

a little bit iffy there. But I do love that movie

a lot. I don't know why. Something about just

the setting of Australia makes it unique, I guess.

I agree. There's not much that I can think of

bad about this movie. I like the characters.

I like the animation. I like the feel, the atmosphere.

I just like everything about this film. I'm curious.

Before I ask Steve who's about to give his thoughts,

because you guys have been mentioning the original

and we've been referencing a little bit of some

of the other Disney films. Overall, as we're

looking at this and we're looking at all the

Disney films that we've ranked so far, is this

the best Disney film we have ranked so far? Think

about that. We'll get Steve's thoughts and then

I'll go around the table and ask you guys that

question. But just general thoughts first, Steve,

on Rescuers Down Under. I vaguely remember seeing

this in the first one. I remember liking this

one better than the first one at the time. I,

too, have a fascination with the Australian addition

to the film. And, yes, it was actually the very

first sequel Disney ever did, to kind of put

that in perspective. And also it did use a CG.

It was called, I believe they called it CAPS,

Computer Animation Production System, which that's

kind of a neat touch to it. I guess from what

I read before, it's supposed to be like some

kind of the first or second collaboration of

Disney and Pixar. So that actually kind of makes

sense that they ended up buying them. but uh

but yeah it's i i i remember the the voice acting

being pretty cool i i mean you've got frank walker

you've got john candy you've got uh new heart

in there i mean you've got it's and then the

plot of it's just being in australia that's kind

of a cool thing all together so i mean it's it's

there's this spot where i i still remember liking

it although i should probably go back and watch

it again to remember why i still like it um but

yeah i also had uh ava gabor uh in there as a

pretty it was that was pretty uh famous as casting

wise george c scott as mcleach um so yeah there

was definitely some interesting voice acting

um going around the table real quickly starting

with mike is this the best disney film we've

rated so far Yeah, I'd have to say so as far

as everything we've already talked about. Yeah,

it really, really is. Dan, what do you think?

Is it better than all the other Disney films

we've talked about? I have a soft spot for James

and the Giant Peach, so I do really like that.

I mean, it's not traditional Disney animation.

I loved that story as a kid, and how they translated

that to stop -motion animation, I thought it

was wonderfully done. I also really like the

Aristocats, too, so I probably put that a little

bit ahead of Rescuers Down Under. But besides

that, I think, yes, I would probably put this

above all the other Disney movies we talked about.

Yeah, and I kind of agree with that, too. I think

I had Aristocats ranked about four spots higher

than Rescuers Down Under. I did have one of the

other sequels we talked about already. Five O'

Goes West. If we're just talking about sequels,

I actually have Five O' Goes West ahead of Rescuers

Down Under. But I'm crazy because I also had

Land Before Time 2 also ahead of Rescuers Down

Under a little bit. I don't know what it is about

that film. Anyway, Steve, is this the best Disney

film we've talked about so far or what should

be higher than it that we've already talked about?

I don't know. That's kind of difficult. I mean,

I still have... a liking for like the meet the

robinsons and stuff but um i mean i don't have

a problem with where it's placed um also dan

quick question for you here and the others can

chime in as well um okay so we have rescuers

down under at number 71 do we see the rescuers

on our list or not That's tough because based

upon what we've been seeing so far with a lot

of the late 2000s Disney movies, a lot more than

I was expecting, I'm thinking no. I'm thinking

maybe that is one that for a lot of people is

off their radar. We talked about how a lot of

people don't even realize this was a sequel.

So I'm going to say no. I'm going to say we don't

see it. Mike? Nope, because as I said before,

I didn't even know there was a first. I thought

this was the first film. Again, it's one of those

things where one of the first times, one of the

only times to my knowledge at this point in time

in 1990 that Disney had not used a Roman numeral

or a number two. Yeah, we'll definitely have

to wait and see because I think a lot of people

will rank this one ahead of the original one.

But, hey, we will see. And that rounds off our

first set of 10 for today's episode. So we will

begin our trek towards 70. All right. Like you

said, coming in at number 70 now. We're sticking

with Disney. And I have a problem with this one.

I especially have a problem with this one coming

in after the one we just talked about. So number

70 comes from the year 2000 from Disney. And

that is Emperor's New Groove. It was on eight

spots. So rescuers .under was on two more lists,

but people that ranked it ranked it a little

higher. Again, I don't know if what I alluded

to earlier is coming true here with the people

that grew up maybe in the 90s. This is 2000,

so it's right, maybe hidden in that same group.

The highest it got ranked was 15 and a Rotten

Tomatoes score of 85. All right, we were just

talking about Disney, so I guess we can continue

the discussion a little bit. Mike, Emperor's

New Groove falling in at number 70. Oh, God.

This should be number 100. Hell, I would even

watch Princess and the Frog more than this movie.

All right, good elaboration there. And Dan, Emperor's

New Groove coming in at number 70. Oh, wow. Surprising,

for sure. That, I don't... have the disdain for

it as much as mike but i too would not put this

if anything very very low on the list 90s 9900

i mean has david spade i mean there's there's

points for it there but i just i don't know like

it's one that i felt it was like disney kind

of going back to their same old well again going

back to i mean points get taken away because

there's david spade right no i love david spade

chris farley was in here but yeah Spade's the

man. Well, maybe not lately, but, you know. I

love David Spade, when done right. But, I don't

know. Like, it's not one. I remember watching

the cartoon. Like, they made a cartoon series,

and that was okay. But, I'm not a fan of Emperor's

New Groove. It, too, like, again, I'm probably

sounding like Broken Records. But, I was out

of the Disney world by now, and I wasn't really

into it. Lilo and Stitch, to me, is so much better

than Emperor's New Groove. It's no comparison.

I agree with that. I didn't even rank Emperor's

New Groove. If I wasn't turned off in the mid

-90s of Disney stuff, by this time, it was flatlining.

I am completely shocked that this made our countdown.

But maybe, Steve, maybe you like this one. Maybe

we have someone on the other side of the coin.

I don't know. Steve? I actually... Kind of like

this film just because there's a lot of goofy

moments and it's got a lot of typical David Spade.

With his kind of snarky sarcasm that he's known

for is portrayed really well in this film. And

then you have John Goodman as the counterbalance

to him having to put up with his mouth. So to

me, I like that whole dynamic between those two

because... David Spade's character, the Emperor

Kuzco, clearly needed his ass whooped a few times

as a kid. Just saying. You almost have the Jafar

type character archetype in this film. I can't

remember her name, but she was ugly and annoying.

And then she had the Dumber Than the Box of Rocks

henchman. So it was kind of funny throughout

a lot of the film. But I mostly liked it for

the David Spade moments. Mike, any further elaboration

on your opinion of this film? No. All right,

moving right along. 69. All right, in an odd

way, I think Mike's going to appreciate this

one. You know, we talked about films that are...

somewhat based on a TV show, making the list,

and we didn't know how many more we would see.

Well, coming in at number 69, like we just heard,

we have the movie from 1996, which is not just

those numbers flipped around, but I think it

makes sense in other ways because number 69 is

none other than Beavis and Butthead do America.

Thank you, Mike. I knew you would appreciate

that one. So we're up to, as we're going through

our ranks, we're all the way up to 471 points

now. So we're getting inching towards that 500

point mark. This was on nine lists. So it was

on one more person's list than Emperor's New

Groove was. It got ranked all the way up in the

number seven slot. for one contributor. Rotten

Tomatoes gives it a 72. Obviously, this is coming

from MTV slash Paramount. 1996 is Beavis and

Butthead do America coming in at number 69. Mike,

what is your thoughts about that? I find it hilarious.

I think Beavis and Butthead would find it hilarious

as well. It was so interesting to me putting

those characters in an actual film and not just

have them be on their show and do stupid shit

while watching music videos. Um, you know, they

actually, you know, the MTV kept the crude humor,

but they also actually gave them slight character

development in the movie as far as how they're

going along with it. Um, but I'm, I'm fine with

it being at 69. Steve, any thoughts on the use

of wethead? Uh, I believe I said something similar

in the top 100 animated series, but. I can't

stand Beavis and Butthead. Something about them

drives me nuts. Like, I think it's just the dumb

humor that's in it. Definitely not for everybody.

No, I mean, well, I mean, granted, back in the

day when I was like seventh grade, I found it

entertaining because I could actually imitate

Beavis and Butthead. But. And it was close to

the Internet being new, so. I found it entertaining

somewhat at the time, more so because of how

stupid they were, but. This, to me, is almost,

in essence, like Mike's hate for Ren and Stimpy.

Let's not start that. But I'm not... No, I mean,

I'm not going to go into the... Beavis and Butthead

was not as grotesque as Ren and Stimpy. No, I

mean, I'll agree with that. I'm not trying to

flare up your nostrils here, but I just... I

don't find them... I don't find this film to

be any better than anything on the list so far.

I would I would put this off the list or 100

if it's going to be on it. Well, I definitely

disagree with that. I mean, I think Beavis and

Butthead, some people can just look at it on

the surface level and think, oh, just stupid

grotesque or, you know, just potty humor. But

there's really more to it than that. And it's

really. If you look, you know, Mike Judge is

a very smart, articulate writer who knows what

he's doing. And there's a lot into it, similar

to South Park, where, yes, you can appreciate

it on multiple levels. Yes, there's some, like,

you know, outlandish comedic moments. But within

that is some really smart satire or some really

well -written jokes. I mean, Robert Stack is

an ATF agent, and that was amazing. Just, like,

his pet peeve of, like, you can't end a sentence

with a proper preposition. I just, that. Even

when I'm writing reviews to this day, I don't

do that simply because I have his voice in my

head from this movie saying you can't end a sentence

with a preposition. And this is what I saw in

the theaters too. And I also disagree with not

liking what they do with music videos because

I think that's some of their best stuff because

it's like, yes, there are these stupid little...

You can throw it under the rug as just dumb comments,

but they're actually really smart, and they're

really funny when you actually think about what

they're saying. And I did like how they did incorporate

the music video aspect into this movie with,

like, the desert mirage scene with Rob Zombie

and whatnot. But, I don't know. I do like Beavis

and the Butthead. I do understand why it's not

for everyone because, A, the animation's a little

off, and the humor, you know, it can be off -putting

to some people, so I get that. But I... To me,

Beavis and Butthead do America is one of those

movies I put into. It's much better. It's so

much better than it should have been, considering

like how that you see like, you know, TV movies

becoming your TV shows becoming movies usually

doesn't work out that well. But I thought I thought

it was great. And I think placing at 69, I mean,

if that's that's pretty, I mean, ironic, to say

the least. Definitely. I agree. I think it's

one of those films that most people expected

it to be terrible, and it was way better than

it should have been. It, like another franchise,

is really good at social commentary or just being

clever and disguising it in this crude, rude,

brash style. It's almost funny because parents

think... that their kids are watching garbage

or that you shouldn't be watching that nonsense

or whatever, but in reality they're watching

something that is actually somewhat intelligently

written even though it doesn't seem at the surface

that it is. I have no problem with it being on

our list and I definitely don't have a problem

with it being number 69. Is it better than everything

else we've talked about? I would put a few films

ahead of it. But I have no problem with it being

a 69 because I think that is kind of funny. It

also has a really great soundtrack to it, too.

I love the Red Hot Chili Peppers roller coaster

song, which is not surprising, knowing that it's

an MTV production. Right. All right. Let's see

where we go from here. 68. Well, it's been a

while since we've seen this company. Saw a flurry

of it at the beginning of our episode today alongside

Disney. Now we will go back to DreamWorks for

our number 68 film on our list. And I'm very

surprised at this one as well. Coming in at number

68 on our list is DreamWorks' 1998 film, Prince

of Egypt. Again, on 10 lists now. So that definitely

obviously helped in its placement. Like I said,

when we were talking about Rescuers Down Under,

we've only had now four films that have been

on at least half of the list. Highest rank was

number three. That I cannot fathom or that blows

my mind right now. I'm speechless. Rotten Tomatoes

score a 79. Someone help me out here. Prince

of Egypt being ranked number three by one person

and being ranked number 68 overall. I liked the

film when I watched it for coverage on Tooncast

Beyond. It's got some amazing animation. It's

got an amazing soundtrack to it. It's basically

Disney's telling of the story of Moses. I mean,

there's nothing deep here. I mean, yeah, there's

some emotional moments, there's some comedy moments,

but I mean, there's only so much that Disney

can do to Disney -fy a Bible story. Well, this

is DreamWorks, so it was, I mean, this is one...

Well, either way, it's still... The reason why

I say Disney is because Katzenberg was with DreamWorks

at the time, but I mean, same thing. There's

only so much you can do in animation to modify

and still, you know, tell the same story. I mean,

I think it was a good adaptation of a Bible story.

And I think, you know, as far as like the animation

and the visualize, it looked good from a purely

visual standpoint. I just don't know how well

it stacks up against some of the other stuff

we're talking about. I mean, I think it's better

than The Emperor's New Groove. So I guess it's

good that it was ahead of that. compared to some

of the other stuff we've already mentioned. Dan,

help me out. I can't, unfortunately. I think

it's a very hollow movie. Yeah, it looks great,

and the animation's impressive, and yeah, it

does adapt a very iconic story, but there really

is not much to it to me. There's nothing really

all that rememberable. doesn't really add a whole

lot or put an interesting spin on that story

it just kind of adds in pieces just elongate

its runtime it's i don't know i i definitely

agree it should not i don't know if i'd even

rank it in my top 100 i i don't know really surprised

very surprised we're seeing a lot of these late

90s 2000 movies coming up this high in the list

so and this is probably of the ones we've got

over so far today and probably even last week

i would probably put this near the bottom of

everything we've done so far. Steve? Other than

the... I mean, there's a lot of star power in

this for sure, and then you have Hans Zimmer,

and to correct Mike Katzenberg, wasn't with Disney

at the time. He left Disney at 94. No, I know.

He was with DreamWorks at the time, but I'm thinking

of him because he was at Disney at one point.

That's why I confused the two companies. we'll

forgive you um i have to agree with dan on every

other aspect though i mean i think it's going

to be something that maybe we'll look at in the

wrap -up of taking all these maybe from like

95 to 2005 or something and seeing how we think

they stack up against each other when i because

that's my it's not just my problem of it being

at number 68 I don't even know if we stack it

amongst its time period, if it ranks above some

of the ones we've talked about. I mean, I'm not,

I don't dislike the movie completely. I just,

I absolutely can't understand someone ranking

this number three. Yeah, that I can't explain

either. I don't know. I mean, some people just

have, I mean, some people could probably say

the same thing about ranking, you know, what

the, you know, my number two, number two, or

ranking, you know, Batman movie number two. It

was just whatever that movie could have hit some

sort of personal. It should just be something

that appeals to them that they rank it that high.

Part of all this is just the personal biases

for whatever reason. It's just unavoidable. I

certainly wouldn't put it up there, but if someone

wants to rank it that high and they feel it's

legitimate, more power to them, I guess. Yeah.

Well, we're about to hear from a studio and a

company here that we haven't heard from yet,

so it's going to be interesting. Let's see what

we have next. 67. We're only going two years

after Prince of Egypt, so we're only going to

the year 2000. Number 67 from Blue Sky and Fox.

Again, an interesting film here that hopefully

has some discussion. Number 67 is none other

than Titan AE. It was on nine spots, up to 477

points on our point meter. The highest it got

ranked was number seven. by none other than Mike

himself, who's on the panel here. Rotten Tomatoes

did not like this film, apparently. They only

gave it a 52. Mike, are you upset this was your

seventh -ranked film? We're coming in at 67,

so we're 60 spots different than you had it.

I will say this elsewhere as well, to be an aside

from this episode, but I really effing hate Rotten

Tomatoes and their dumbass review scoring. Call

it yourself. Okay, I get the... the peer -to

-peer scoring, but the actual people that run

that website that rank movies, they're just...

They don't rank. I don't know. You know what

I mean. I don't know if you know how Rotten Tomatoes

works, but... Yeah, I know how it works, but

you know what I mean. As far as it being number

67, it had some damn good animation. It told,

again, a lot of these movies, they tell stories

we've seen before, but, you know... I really

liked it. I thought it was a damn good story,

and I thought the animation was great. It's got

a stellar cast with Matt Damon, Drew Barrymore,

Bill Pullman, bringing someone back from the

80s for a revival in Tone Loke, who plays one

of the aliens. And you've got the humans trying

to rebuild and reclaim their place in the universe

against these energy monsters. I mean, that's

a really, really cool plot in my mind. 67. I

guess. Are you surprised that it didn't appear

on even half of the people's list? Well, this

is one of those movies that maybe not a lot of

people have really paid any attention to it.

If people have paid attention to it, it was because

at the time Creed's Hire was used in the promotion

of it. That helps or hurts it? For me, it helped

it. It hurt that it's not on the soundtrack,

but either way. I just don't think a lot of people

know or remember about this film. I thought it

might appear on more people's list given the

fact that we're somewhat of a geek -centric community.

I thought it would appear on more people's list.

Dan, what are your thoughts on Titan AE? It's

funny that you mentioned it. I was going to say

the fact that it introduced a lot of the world

to creatives kind of makes it almost ineligible

for the list in my book. I don't like Titan AE.

I'm sorry. It's, again, similar to Prince of

Egypt. Yes, there's, I mean, the big thing I

remember when that was coming out was how it

was. It's similar to Prince of Egypt. Well, what

I mean is, how similar to Prince of Egypt is

where you have a cast, a big cast, big names,

you know, impressive animation. It's on the technical

side, yes, it's probably. well done i mean the

big thing with titan 80 was how it was incorporating

cgi was supposed to be the future of animation

i remember that was the big tagline for that

when it came out but it ended up not being at

all and i think mostly because it's just not

a good movie it it's it's just the like i love

matt damon but in that i just thought he was

kind of his emotion like his greatness of an

actor i don't think necessarily is through his

voice per se so i don't know if he was a really

good i you know I think he was a hot name at

the time, so they threw him in there. He was

coming off of a lot of success, so it was like,

oh, we'll get Matt Damon because he's the hot

new thing. We'll put all these actors together,

and they will make all this cool animation, but

they forgot to actually make an interesting or

well -developed story, which is kind of piss

poor, in my opinion. I could see ranking it just

on a technical aspect, but I don't know. To me,

it's just one that is... looks great but when

you get into it when you get into how it was

made and what's actually making that story work

it just it doesn't it's that's why i think it's

similar to prince of egypt which both have look

amazing but or really don't have much to them

i definitely am not surprised that it's on our

list though somewhere um steve what are your

thoughts on titani I really like the film myself.

I like the CG stuff that's used. I like the kind

of after -earth element of it. Say what you will

for a lot of it, but it's very geek -centric.

There's a lot that, being a geek, it pulls you

towards. But I also have to say that it's...

it's not really that bad of a film i mean i i

don't disagree with where it's at by any means

but i i don't think that it you know shouldn't

be here it's there's i don't know there's just

i i don't the voice acting aside from you know

the the big name people uh it still i think holds

up just because of what they were trying to accomplish

with it and because it's it's something different

uh being that it's in space it's it's you know

kind of like an adventure and and trying to the

the main character is trying to figure out why

you know this this whole thing is so special

and they they basically get to jumpstart civilization

again yeah like i said i don't see a problem

with it being on the list i don't know if i would

rank it quite this high um but fair enough uh

interesting to see from a new studio at least

with blue sky fox uh companies being mentioned

first for the first time um you know i asked

a question earlier We're going to get our answer

to that question sooner rather than later. So

we'll see what that is here. So you might be

wondering what question I was talking about.

I asked the panel earlier if we were done seeing

movies from the DC universe. Apparently the answer

was no, we're not done. Because coming in at

number 66 is 2010's Batman Under the Red Hood.

484 points on nine people's lists. The highest

it got ranked was 10 by Steve. It has a 100 score

on Rotten Tomatoes, which, again, we haven't

seen a lot of those, but it seems we've seen

a couple from the DC Universe that have gotten

100. I know we had a big discussion, and would

we see any more DC movies or not? Did anyone

expect to see Batman Under the Red Hood still?

I, for one, did. Because there's many different

reasons. Granted, it's kind of an adaptation

as well, because a lot of the DC stuff is adaptations

from comics, which means generally there's a

lot better writing and understanding of the characters,

whereas you get into a lot of other stuff, it's

people just, you know, they may understand them,

but they haven't been writing them for hundreds

of issues, so they don't really understand them.

So, I mean, in that essence, it's kind of nice

seeing this, but you, not only is the animation

kind of cool, but, and granted the voice actors

aren't the same as what most people are traditionally

used to, like Kevin Conroy's Bruce Greenwood,

which is name actor. You have John DiMaggio playing

the Joker instead of having Mark Hamill, which

I think he did well for this version. um and

then you have like jensen ackles playing the

red hood who's famed for supernatural uh but

i mean it's the voice acting is done really well

with this the the animation's done really well

uh a lot of the the story elements going on throughout

it's uh call back to uh either flashbacks to

explain things or things that are kind of earlier

in the continuity of the universe um to explain

more things uh and you kind of have these uh

almost like father son type of protege type thing

going on and the unfortunate splitting of the

of the pair and then their eventual rejoining

uh for a common cause type thing um but it still

kind of leaves... It comes full circle from beginning

to end really well on its own. So, I mean, I

can definitely see where this is placed in the

top 100 list. Mike, is this better than Dark

Knight Returns and Batman Beyond Return of the

Joker? I don't know. I like this movie. I think

it's a really good movie. Again, I'm not really

judging. Dark Knight Returns until I see the

full Parts 1 and Part 2 back -to -back. Do I

think it's better than Return of the Joker? I

would say that they're both on par. Like, if

you had a tie for, what are we up to now? 66.

66. If you had a tie for what was going to become

66 and 67, I could say these could easily either

be one of those two numbers. Under the Red Hood

tells an amazing story. It has great animation.

The voice, like Bruce Greenwood, is the only

other actor I can hear playing Batman when I

read other Batman stuff outside of Kevin Conroy.

He's the best one they've had so far. For the

modern day kind of Batman, I'm not counting old

Robocop Batman. And the interesting thing here

is the dynamic between Batman, Nightwing, and

Red Hood. Because the Nightwing in this, who

is voiced by Neil Patrick Harris, Nightwing knows

what... Part of the Under the Red Hood storyline

is that it's adapting death in the family. And

it's really spot on from beginning to end. There

really are no... Real hiccups. I mean, it kind

of has a mini -adventure in the beginning when

they're going after the Amazo robot, but that

even ties in later. So I'm happy with where it

is. Dan, superhero bias? I think so, definitely.

Though I do think Batman Under the Red Hood was

probably the best DC animated direct -to -DVD

movie before Dark Knight Returns came out. If

being in the top 100, I don't think it is an

issue. I don't know about being this high. I

probably would say, again, Dark Knight Returns

Part 2, I would probably put higher. And I do

think, as an overall story, that Return of the

Joker is probably better, because there's so

much more emotion to that, but a lot of that

is due to the fact that you have the TV series

to refer back to. With Under the Red Hood, though,

like they've mentioned, the animation's great,

and what's really great about it, too, is just

how fluid the action is, and it's just... amazing

just the choreography within a lot of those scenes

it's like their live action the way they handle

them that's one thing i i took away from it too

and there's a lot of great chase sequences that

are just so on point and just uh it was there

that to me are amazing so i do think it deserves

top 166 i don't know that could be a little bit

of a bias but it is a geek website so hey it's

part of the game but you mentioned the chasing

which is that rooftop chase when nightwing's

like Cut your line. Not many people can do that.

I know. That whole corner, it was almost like

a, I hate to trivialize it down to this, but

it was almost like Tom and Jerry chasing each

other on the roof, really, because the way that

the camera pans between them chasing Red Hood

and Red Hood, how he's running around the corners

of these ledges, the camera work was amazing

on it. Alright, well, we only have five films

left to talk about today, and we're going to

start that off by going somewhere that we haven't

been in over 20 spots on our countdown. 65. That's

right, it's time for number 65, and like I said,

we're going somewhere where we haven't gone for

over 20 slots in our countdown, which may seem

surprising to some. For the first time in 20

spots, we're going to visit the 1980s. We have

not been there since Ninja Scroll at... In the

mid -80s. We're going to 1981. Good year. I was

born that year. And we're going back to Disney

for number 65, which is none other than Fox and

the Hound. It was on 11 spots, so over half the

spots. The highest it ranked, though, was 26.

Nobody ranked it higher than 26, which I'm a

little surprised at. I'm not saying I would,

but I thought somebody might. Number 65, Fox

and the Hound. Long time since we've been in

the 80s. Dan, what do you think about this one?

I do like Fox and the Hound. It is a nice, sweet

story. You know, it's one that, you know, it's

a great one for kids because it's very, you know,

about friendship. And it's the 80s, Disney's

80s run. It's probably one of the best, in my

opinion. A lot of great songs. I love the voice

acting in it. Just the transition from the Fox

and Hounds as kids and that. and how they then

move into the conflict as they grow older. But

yeah, it's a sweet story. Maybe not the most

dynamic of the Disney movies, but definitely

enjoyable. It's kind of cool we're getting back

to the 80s. It's interesting that we've been

out of it for so long. And overall, it's only,

I believe, the fourth film so far that we've

talked about from the 80s. There's a couple of

them right away, and it's been a long time. And

I almost forget that this is even from the 80s.

It's kind of like when we talked about Oliver

and Company. To me, Oliver and Company seems

more 80s than Fox and the Hound, but I sometimes

lump Fox and the Hound in with more of the classic

Disney films, just out of, I guess, error in

my memory. But Mike, how do you feel about us

finally getting back to the 80s and putting Fox

and the Hound at this ranking? I like it. I enjoy

this film. It's a cool story. And like you, I

kind of lump it more in with the more classic

Disney films than stuff like Oliver and Company

and Little Mermaid and all that. It's an interesting

story if you look at it as a kid because you

don't know what's going to happen next. And watching

it back as an adult now, it's like, hmm. As adults,

we all always try to figure out what's going

to happen next in anything, whether it's movies,

TV, whatever. And this is one of those ones where

you kind of want to turn your brain off to do

that. As far as, like, attempts not to try to

figure it out, because the story is so much better

told that way. I'm happy with it being here,

I guess. Steve, any love for Fox and Hound? I

don't have a problem with it. I mean, I... I've

seen it. I like it for what it is. But overall,

it's all right. Better or worse than Rescuers

Down Under? This can go to anybody. I would say,

wow, better? I don't know. I would probably say

Rescuers Down Under is what I prefer. I don't

know if it's necessarily a better movie, but

I think. I would gravitate towards that before

The Fox and the Hound. I mean, I do appreciate

the sensibility of The Fox and the Hound. We

talked about how it feels older. I think that

was purposeful. It had to be purposeful because

it does feel like that classic 1950s Disney where

it's very, you know, genuine. It words its heart

on its sleeve. Even the voice acting feels like

some of those old Disney movies just with how,

like, really big they are. So, but I don't know.

I would probably go down. Let me rephrase that.

I would probably go with Rescuers before I would

go with Fox and the Hound. Mike, any thoughts?

I'm the same way. I like Fox and the Hound for

what it is, but after a while, there are only

so many animal Disney films. You have issues

with animals, don't you? No. No, I don't. But,

yeah, no, I like Fox and the Hound. It's a good

movie. I don't think it needed a sequel, but

I would definitely pick Rescuers Down Under over

this. Well, and another reason, too, that you

kind of get that old feeling is they did go back

and they got Pat Buttram, who voiced Chief, who

did some classic Disney stuff. You have Paul

Winchell in there, John Fiedler, most people

remember him as Piglet from Winnie the Pooh,

and the grandpa from... Charlie and the Chocolate

Factory, the original one. So yeah, that definitely

did get that old feel. I think it did, if they

were trying to capture that classic feel, I think

it was successful with that. I do not have a

problem with it coming in in the 60s. I was surprised.

I thought some people would have it ranked higher.

That was 26 being the highest ranked. Any other

thoughts on Fox and the Hound before we move

on? No. Alright, well let's see what comes in

next then. That's right. We're all the way up

to number 64. And we're actually, it's not the

first time we've seen this company, the studio

here, Laika. I don't know if it's Laika or Laika,

L -A -I -K -A. And Focus Features, we saw this

with Paranorman earlier in the countdown. We're

going to see it again here for the 2009 film

coming in at number 64, Coraline. It was on eight

spots. And it's been a while since we've had

one that you ranked higher than everybody else,

Dan. You had this one all the way up at 17. How

is your reaction to this? I'm surprised. Go ahead.

Oh, and is this another case of like we've seen

a lot here, like I said, with that first third

where you have films that are ranked high by

a group of us, but that are just haven't been

seen or aren't exposed to for some of the other

ones? I think that's the case. I think a lot

of people saw Coraline and thought, oh. It's

another Tim Burton movie, but that isn't the

case at all. I mean, it's based on a film, a

story done by Neil Gaiman, who is a genius of

all geniuses. He's a great storyteller. And I

love Coraline. It was one, too, that I kind of

shunned and didn't think it would be all that

great. But when I sat down to watch it, I was

just like, wow, this is a really intense story

that gets into a lot of really serious issues

and does it really well. The animation is fantastic.

It is so... The way they use the two different

worlds, because she goes back and forth between

these two worlds, and how the little small tidbits

and the showing the differences between the two.

It's really scary, and it's really out there

in certain places. It does remind me kind of,

in some ways, I know a lot of people don't like

this, but it does remind me in some ways of Nightmare

on Elm Street. Not Nightmare on Elm Street, but...

the nightmare before Christmas and just in how

odd and strange it'll go for, for, you know,

a quote unquote kids movie. And I kind of liked

that when people will go to interesting places

that you're not expecting, but I do, I think

I love Coraline. And like you mentioned, I do

think this is a case where some people may have

thought, I don't want to see that. Cause that's

like, I think it came out around the same time

as course bride and people like, Oh, it's like

the same thing as that, but it's not, it's the

animation may look similar, but it's so much

better than that. I like the nightmare on Elm

street slip there being that it's being that

it's right around Halloween. Um, Steve, have

you seen Coraline? Yes. I, I'm not a real fan

of a lot of Neil Gaiman stuff. Um, sacrilegious.

Yeah. Say what you will. Um, but again, I, uh,

and not that I, and I, I really don't particularly

care. Again, this is another animation thing

for me too. Um, But I also I something I just

didn't care for the premise of the story. I mean,

I it it kind of bored me. I made it through the

film and I just that's just one I'll probably

never watch again. I mean, I just I don't know

something about it. Just I don't really care

for it. So it seems like you're not really into

animation. That is that is. little more abstract

you know with something that is not not i'm not

saying this is a bad thing just you know because

i think it's it's fitting as we're talking about

something like coralline those movies that are

those movies that take animation in different

directions and aren't necessarily you know representing

real life in a realistic sense but kind of putting

their spin on it like you like i mentioned you

already talked about how you don't like you know

claymation that much and stuff like that so is

that the case it's more so when it's more abstract

it's just not your cup of tea yeah i mean i i

guess i guess that kind of sums it up for me

i mean because even that that even applies to

like there's a dc universe film that was out

um just or batman superman apocalypse which again

was kind of an abstracty um take on the characters

and i didn't care for that film either because

of the animation i it the animation kept bothering

me so much that I, I enjoyed the story, but had

it been in a different animation style, I would

have enjoyed it better. Um, but for this, this

particular one, I just, I didn't really care

for the, the other versions or the other, the

other worlds or, or whatever. It just, uh, it,

it didn't grab me. I could, I mean, I can, I

can still argue and say that I can see it being

on the top 100 because it's not, It's not that

it's a bad film, it just didn't hit my particular

taste. Fair enough. All right, well, we have

three films left. Let's see where we go from

here. Number 63, we're going to revisit one more

studio that we just have seen recently, actually.

It's the second time that we're going to see

a film from this studio. It's Blue Sky slash

Fox Studios there. And I'm not saying it should

be ranked higher, but I expected this one actually

to be ranked much higher. than it is coming in

at number 63. And that is 2002's film, the original

Ice Age film. It's on 11 people's lists. The

highest it got ranked was number 12. As a franchise,

this is a pretty successful, pretty popular film

or franchise, Ice Age is. I just kind of thought

it being the first one that we would see this

higher on the list. Am I alone on that? Coming

into number 63, is that a surprise for you, Dan,

that Ice Age is number 63? I think what's killing

Ice Age is the fact that there's so many of them.

It's just the point where it's like, just stop

it by now. I think that franchise has lasted

longer than the actual Ice Age. But I am surprised

it's this low. I do think, I don't know, I think

a lot of people don't have a high regard for

Ice Age. I did rank it. I do enjoy the movie.

I mean, mostly, you know, I think what people

like most are those little things with the squirrel

and his acorn. I mean, those, of course, are

pretty funny. And I think, too, a lot of the

people may not like the voice acting because,

you know, Dennis Leary and, you know, Everyone

Loves Raymond are voices that everyone's not

always a fan of. But I would... assume that Ice

Age, at least one of them, would be in the top

50, top 40. So getting it this low is a little

surprising. I do like it. I do like Ice Age,

the first one. I'm not a big fan of the second

ones. This was like when CGI was exploding and

more and more people were doing it. And Ice Age

was, I think, one that stood above the rest because

it did have a cool story. I do really like the

animation. It doesn't hold up completely all

that well if you look back at it today. But I

do like the characters, and I do think the dynamic

between those three main stars, those work well,

and I think that's the key to that franchise

and why it's continuing to grow today. Leaps

and bounds for me above stuff like Madagascar

and some of the other stuff that was coming around

about that same time. I had it ranked in my top

40. Does it falling in at number 63 mean we should

expect to see an Ice Age sequel ranked higher,

or is this... The highest Ice Age franchise cracks

number 63, Mike. Let's hope this is the highest,

because while I really enjoy Dennis Leary, he's

the only thing good about this movie. As far

as the voice acting goes, he's the only decent

character. I've never been a fan of Ray Romano,

and I believe, again, I'm not looking it up,

but I believe it was John Leguizamo that does

the sloth. Yeah. Whatever the hell Sid is. Yeah,

one movie was enough. This is kind of like, and

I know Kevin's going to drop his mic and walk

away when I say this, but Ice Age to me is just

like the Land Before Time movies. One was enough.

Did you see the second Land Before Time? Yes,

and it sucked. Okay, I think two was enough for

Land Before Time, but they didn't need to go

crazy after that. I did like the second one.

Anyway, back to Ice Age. Do you have thoughts

on Ice Age? I enjoyed the first one, but as Dan

said, there are too many of them, and as Mike

said, one was enough. I enjoyed the first one,

but then seeing them continuously come out every

single year, basically replacing the slot of

Land Before Time, I wish they would just die

at this point. So if there was only one Ice Age,

would we see this ranked higher than 63? I think

I'd see it lower, but... Well, I mean, yeah,

ranked like... I would see it closer to like

80, 90. Oh. If there was only one, it would be

ranked worse? I think so. Dan? I don't. I think

it'd be... I think it probably would be higher,

because I think it's more of a... you know kind

of a people don't like it or you can have a situation

where maybe someone likes the second one more

than the third one so i think if there was only

one ice age and it stopped there it'd probably

be a higher regard than it is now because now

it's kind of just becoming a running joke similar

to like madagascar where they're just pumping

them out like a factory because they make a lot

of money If it was the only one, it did get any

higher. I can't see this being above top 50.

Maybe 54, 53, other than that, no. I agree with

Steve. It should probably be lower. Well, let's

see if we can agree on the next one. 62. All

right, number 62. We've talked about that. How

many will we see that are TV shows turned into

movies? We're seeing another one at number 62.

This is 2007's film, The Simpsons Movie. The

20th Century Fox and Film Roman. It was on 14

people's lists. That is by far, so far in our

countdown, the film that has been on the most

lists. We have never had a film so far that has

appeared on 14 lists. We're also, with that last

film, it clips the 500 point mark, if you're

keeping track of that. This was at 515. The highest

it got ranked, though, was number 32. So even

though it was on a ton of people's lists, it

was not ranked super high on anybody's list.

90 Rotten Tomatoes score. Starting with Dan,

your thoughts on Simpsons the movie? I do like

Simpsons the movie. I mean, it's where it ranks

with the other TV shows, movies. It's definitely

one of the better ones. I don't know if I would

like this one more than Beavis and Bundy do in

America. It's hard to say. I think what was great

about the Simpsons movie was just seeing the

Simpsons be good again. You know, it was like

the series was downhill for a long time and it's

seeing them do an interesting story and bring

it back to like the Simpsons of old and, you

know, increasing that scope as it went into the

film format, which is hard to do, which is where

that transition is usually lost with a lot of

TV shows. But so, yeah, I. I'm glad to see it.

62, I think, is a good spot for it. I think,

too, a lot of people love The Simpsons, so I

think that's a big reason why you're seeing it

on so many lists. Mike, what are your thoughts

on The Simpsons movie? 62 is a good spot for

it. I really liked the movie. I thought it was

great. As Dan said, at the time that this came

out, The Simpsons was kind of just there for

me. It had been a number of years, a number of

seasons of that show since I actually really,

really enjoyed it. And this kind of brought back

the original humor that the show had back in

the early 90s when the Simpsons mania was all

a buzz everywhere. I do want to say that recently

the Simpsons family lost one of its own. The

voice actress for Edna Kerboppel passed away.

So it's kind of... Sad to learn about that. But

the movie is really great. You've got Lisa doing

her thing. You've got Bart and Homer doing their

thing. Other than being kind of the voice of

reason, I have no idea what Maggie and Marge

are doing in this film, at least in the beginning.

I know what Marge is doing there later as far

as the whole argument between her and Homer.

But yeah, I really, really love this movie. They

really need to hurry up on that sequel because,

yeah. I didn't even know there was a plan for

the sequel. Well, there's a scene at the end

of the movie during the credits where Maggie

says sequel. It's one of her first words. And

then I remember hearing Matt Groening saying

something about, we promise we won't wait another

20 years before we make another one. I think

it was in the commentary of it. And, yeah. Interesting.

Steve, any thoughts on Simpsons? I thought it

was a nice touch having an actual Simpsons film.

I ranked it at 70, so it's not too far off from

where I would have placed it. I do think that

it deserves to be here, being that it's such

an iconic series that's been going on for 25

years that spawned this film. It kind of leaves

you stuck between a rock and a hard place, if

you get my dig. But it's... No, I mean, I find

it overall enjoyable. I like that the animations

upped a little bit more in this compared to the

show, and then they try and pull everybody into

the fold that's involved in the series through

the 25 -year continuity. Also interesting to

see, if you were just to take the list that it

appeared on, the 14 list, and then get its average

ranking from that, it would come in at 60. It

had a limited average of 64, so that's not far

from where it hits here, number 62 on our list.

Mike, you were going to say something else? Well,

the other really funny thing is, as Steve alluded

to one of the trailers, the teaser trailers,

the funniest thing about the teaser trailers

for this movie is one of the jokes is Homer is

stuck between a rock and a hard place, and when

he keeps going back and forth because he's on

a wrecking ball. ball drops on him and he goes

this film is not yet rated that's by far one

of the best lines when they say that you know

that that this film has not yet been rated this

is one of the coolest voiceovers for that phrase

i thought that was awesome any other thoughts

before we move into our last film for this week's

episode nope all right let's see what we end

with 61 Well, we started with a slew of Disney

and DreamWorks films, so it's only fitting that

we end this week's episode in one of those companies'

wheelhouses here. Going to the year 2000 for

number 61, DreamWorks film here, and that is

Chicken Run. On 12 people's lists, so outside

of The Simpsons, which we just talked about,

it has appeared on more lists than any other

film we've talked about. The highest it got ranked

was 17th. For the first time in a while, it's

one of my films that I had higher rank than anyone

else. Rotten Tomatoes score of 97, so very high

on Rotten Tomatoes. I'll start with this one.

I think Chicken Run is close to a masterpiece

of a movie as far as the writing. the dialogue,

the plot, and everything they put in there. If

there was ever a film that personifies the idea

of appealing to all ages, it is definitely Chicken

Run. I remember back when it came out, I had

older, like way older than me, aunts and uncles

around Christmas time or Thanksgiving that were

talking about Chicken Run and how... much they

enjoyed it and how much they got all the references

to older films and older classic movies and the

stuff that it was doing that would appeal to

that age group as well as kids who don't have

any clue about those references. I did not expect

to like Chicken Run as much as I did, but I think

this is a wonderful movie. Maybe one of the best

DreamWorks films out there. 61, I think it should

be... ranked a little bit better than that, but

I'm just happy that it's on the countdown and

represented. Dan, how do you like Chicken Run?

Well, when we talked about Wallace and Gromit,

I was hinting at another Claymation movie that

I think is actually better than Wallace and Gromit,

and this, it was Chicken Run. I think Chicken

Run is, like you said, an excellent, excellent

film. Anything that can homage Creatorscape like

it does and do it really well, that points to

my book, making Mel Gibson into almost like a

Steve McQueen -like character. obviously today

people can't imagine that but back then before

he was crazy it worked um but yeah too like you

that's similar with this with this production

company really witty uh really strong uh use

of this is like how you do um like pop culture

references if you even want to calm that and

do it right because they're ones that are referencing

things that are ingrained within our society

not just from like two years ago or last year

but classic films or you know classic aspects

that of prison movies and taking that and going

further with it um so i think chicken run yeah

i do agree it should be a lot higher than it

is and on a on a good note though i think we

are ending with the best movie that we've talked

about today so i agree um mike your thoughts

on chicken run i hate stop motion animation like

this This should have been called Gibson's Run

because that's all it really was. Hey, it's Mel.

Let's put his voice in a movie. Have you seen

the film? Yes, I've seen the film. I reviewed

it on Tooncast Beyond episode 38. I just don't

like the animation. I don't like the stop motion

animation. It drives me batty. It just really

does. I agree. The plot is really good. It is

a good adaptation of The Great Escape kind of

thing, but I just don't care for the animation

is all. I guess that's a conversation for another

day. I don't understand this. Animation can only

be one way. It has to be... No, it doesn't have

to be one way or the other way. I just don't

care for this way. I don't care for stop -motion

animation. What's the difference between this

claymation and computer... What is so off -putting

with claymation when you compare it to something

like computer CGI? What is the translation there

that is so... off -putting that you can't get

into i prefer traditional non the only claymation

stuff i like watching a celebrity death match

this with chicken run it just i just didn't like

the style so hold on let's expand on this so

why are you able to get past the visuals on celebrity

death match and not because it's funnier i i

can kind of see where he's going with that um

i mean granted i'm not a fan of the claymation

thing very much I mean, again, it kind of depends

on the studio that's doing it. I'm not a fan

of the Aardman studio by any means, but I can

see where Chicken Run is the stronger out of

all the claymation ones that Aardman and DreamWorks

have done together. So, I mean, I can definitely

see where this deserves a place on here. I have

seen it. I have it towards the tail end of my

list, but... And it's more interesting. I find,

for some reason, the chicken type thing is more

hilarious than having dogs or other animals.

I don't know why. It's just more entertaining.

And I can see where Mike's going with the celebrity

deathmatch. I like that version of claymation

better just because, one, it's just smashing

and mutilating, and two, they're more... realistic

to human looks whereas the aardman stuff's not

so i mean i can kind of see that but i'm not

gonna like crucify it because i don't particularly

care for the the studio that's doing it um well

like i said i like the story this story's great

but i just the animation just put me off to the

the whole thing but i mean i this is this is

one that that i don't really have a problem with

and flushed away the same Same thing. I mean,

I don't mind that either, but again, they're

for different reasons, and it has to do with

more story over the animation. But yeah, I mean,

I don't disagree with it being here. I think

Claymation has a certain charm to it. If you

just think about the amount of work that it takes

just to get each and every frame, you know those

people that are putting their work into it. supremely

dedicated and they're doing things that so much

easier done with CGI but they're choosing to

do with claymation yes they'll touch it up with

CGI nowadays but I don't know just to me I just

the idea of like oh I I don't think there's a

huge difference between CGI and claymation yes

aesthetically they aren't exactly the same but

even with animation the way they treat humans

and the way that they treat you know, animals

or whatnot, there's a different, different way

to doing it. I mean, if it's not your thing,

it's not your thing, but I just, I just think

if you went in, not even knowing it was claymation,

I don't think you would even, it would even cross

your mind. But I think it's part of it. For me,

like if I'm going to choose, you know, if I'm

going to choose what, if let's say I'm making

my own film and I get to choose what kind of

animation it is, I'm going to go to 2d animation

every time. I just, that is my preference. But

in watching Chicken Run, I didn't even think

about claymation. I forgot it was even claymation.

It didn't have any impact on me, and I just was

watching it as any old animated movie at some

point because I felt like the way it was done,

the characters and the plot and the gags they

had and stuff like that, it could have been 2D

animation, CGI, claymation. whatever it didn't

have an effect on me i forgot what kind of animation

it was um i think there is an art and a skill

and a craft and it's like dan's saying but i

think sometimes you can you know like you said

if you weren't so informed that that's what type

of animation it was i think sometimes you can

forget about it in over the course of the movie

i mean as i watched the movie i didn't you know

i realized it wasn't your traditional animation

style but i didn't go in saying oh i hate claymation

i just went in saying okay i'll watch this and

wow this animation style is crap i really don't

like this that's really all it was for me i didn't

go in ahead of time saying oh well it's claymation

i'm gonna hate it because i didn't even know

i saw the trailer i'm like oh it looks okay and

when i finally got around to watching it for

tooncast beyond i was like story's good But the

animation, no thanks. We're going to have to

agree to disagree and we're going to have to

let the listeners tell us what they think about

Chicken Run in general or Claymation in general.

But that's all the films we're going to be talking

about. We'll be right back to give some final

chat over the second episode and what happened

and what we saw, what was revealed. He's ripping

me off. I'll protest. Yeah. I'll sue. Then I'll

rip his lungs out. And I will too. All right,

and a way to wrap things up here, I'm going to

start with Dan. Quickly, well, not necessarily

quickly, but over the course of these last 20

films that have been revealed, what have you

learned about our countdown so far? We have a

lot of people who love late 90s, mid -2000s cartoons,

especially Disney, which I was not expecting.

And what's really interesting so far to me, A,

we didn't really have any anime this section,

and we didn't have... I don't think we have had

one Pixar film yet in the entire countdown. Which

is odd. So I don't know if that means they're

going to be front -loaded with Pixar. I mean,

that's always a possibility. But that's what

I did not expect. I thought the first episode

would be all the earliest, most recent stuff.

So very surprised that we're seeing more and

more current stuff. Yeah, the trend definitely

continued on modern stuff. if anything i think

what this episode did that maybe the last one

didn't as much because in our first episode we

really um you know we saw pocahontas um we saw

uh a goofy movie i guess you could put in there

um lilo and stitch maybe um That was the only

ones we saw from that early 2000, you know, mid

to late 90s. It was much more of the 2000 stuff

in that first episode. And what this one did

is it kept some of the 2000 stuff because we

did have, you know, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9,

10. We had almost 12 or 13 movies from the 2000s

in this group of 20. So we stayed with that.

And we added more from it seemed like from those

90s, you know, with Tarzan, with Hunchback, Notre

Dame. prince of egypt so yeah i definitely think

that's been revealed a little bit um you know

we had three more uh dc films we had really i

guess if you're gonna try to like consider any

foreign films i wouldn't consider it foreign

films but we had watership down uh as a british

film um that was about it in that realm Like

you said, we had no anime films, a couple more

sequels with Rescuers Down Under and Shrek 2.

So, I mean, it's somewhat stayed pat, minus the

absence of anime films, as what we saw in our

first episode. I didn't mean to interrupt you,

though, Dan. Keep going with your thoughts. I

mean, that's pretty much it. I was just surprised

by that. So my guess is maybe some of the more

classic Disney movies we're going to see, the

more classic we're going to see further along.

My predictions with this list have been pretty

bad so far. But I'm going to guess as we go further

and further, we're going to see fewer and fewer.

To me, I just don't think of any, I can't even

think of that many more current 2000, you know,

late 90s movies. I mean, a few would come to

mind. I'm just hoping we get some more, definitely

get some more anime, definitely get some more,

at least some classic, you know, some more 50s,

60s, earlier stuff. Even 80s or, you know, the

90s a little bit more. So, but yeah. But overall,

I mean, it was cool seeing different forms of

animation. I think that was kind of interesting

that we're continuing that with, you know, claymation

and your CGI and your blend of CGI and hand -drawn

and classic 2D. And I think what we saw here

was we saw, I guess if you were trying to quantify

this a little bit, we saw the anime and the foreign

films take a leave in this episode. And it seems

like, to me, they were replaced by the films

that had a TV base. You know, we had BBs and

Butthead. We had Simpsons. We had TMNT. So maybe

those took those spots that, you know, we would

have seen in the first episode that anime and

the foreign films took. And meanwhile, everything

else was standing par with a few sequels, the

90s and the modern films. So that seems to be

what happened in this episode. Who knows where

we're going to go from here. Mike, what are you

thinking so far, this episode or the countdown

overall, things that you're seeing, things that

you're looking for, without being specific? So

far, I think that Return of the Joker needs to

be a little bit higher. As far as what I'm looking

forward to, I don't know. I'm not making any

predictions because I don't want to be wrong

like Dan is usually. I don't know. I mean, yes,

I think we're going to see an abundance of Pixar

once we hit them. Just kind of like Disney. What

was it, like four or five in a row last episode

where we hit Disney? I think we're going to see

that with Pixar once we get... wherever they

are going to be. Yeah, it could be. You know,

like we started off with a bunch of Disney and

DreamWorks today, kind of went away from it,

only had a few the rest of the countdown. So

it didn't seem as dominated as we went through.

Steve, what are your thoughts on this episode

or the countdown overall so far? I mean, there's

some films that, of course, I'm not familiar

with. I'm not a fan of the foreign or the anime

stuff that's... like just in general not those

particular films uh that were listed in the first

episode um i don't i i don't really to some degree

agree with sequels showing up but like myself

i tried not to vote for sequels if i could help

it only for the fact that i was trying to give

like spread the love around for other things

um despite my somewhat superhero bias that's

in there um and i did try and spread some of

those out as well but um and i do agree batman

beyond return of the joker should have been a

little bit higher on the list uh than where it

ended up same thing with kind of dark knight

returns part two um under the red hood uh i i

could see some other films being hired like dan

kind of said i mean after Hearing his argument

about it, I could see Ice Age being higher if

they didn't have the 50 million other ones. And,

you know, I mean, there's a lot of good films

on here. It seems like so far Disney dominates,

I'd say, a good two -thirds of it. But I'm not

disappointed overall yet so far. Mike, just a

quick question before we wrap up today. What's

the best film we've listed so far in our first

two episodes? We're all the way up to 61. What's

the best film we've listed? I don't know. Alright,

Dan. I'll be biased and say my number two, which

was Waltz with Bashir. Which was number 100.

I still think that is the best movie we've went

over so far. And then maybe... I'm drawing a

blank, but I think today, just looking at today,

I would say probably Chicken Run or Coraline.

For me, it's a toss -up between three if I'm

looking at my own personal list, I guess. And

that would be Chicken Run, I agree with you.

And then after that, I'm probably looking at

Watership Down, or maybe it's a personal bias

here, but American Tail 2, Five Eagles West.

Those are probably the three that I look at most

that I feel like were some of the best ones we

talked about. um steve uh is it return of the

joker is that the best one we've listed so far

in my opinion then yes that that and dark knight

returns part two but again that's part of my

superhero bias coming out if i had to pick films

that were not superhero related um out of this

list uh i would pick titan ae um and meet the

robinsons All right. Well, that does it for this

episode, Mike. I'll send it over to you. Well,

there you have it. Numbers 80 to 61 of the GCRN

Top 100 Animated Films Countdown. Join us next

time when we will be revealing numbers 60 to

41. For now, I am TFG1 Mike with... Steve Megatron

Phillips. And Kevin Optimus Solo. And MovieRevolt

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