Marvel vs. DC Film Universes and Transformers Masterpiece Figures

This is Starscream, and you are watching Optimus!

Yes, you are! No wonder it's a supermoon tomorrow.

I turned the camera on before I got on the Skype.

I pre -planned. Wow. He's learning. You can be,

like, professional. I know. Isn't that scary?

Shut up. Yeah, yeah ain't that the truth well

no he was no yeah, I used to use a different

Yeah, he was using a different setup back then

so um Yes, yes, yes Essentially Avengers is Really

the only I'm gonna say about it is Avengers is

fucking awesome DC take a fucking note a live

-action superhero team -up movie can happen and

done, right? They are actually planning on doing

that What after after after the Dark Knight rises

they're gonna reboot the Batman franchise They're

all and and so with the Superman bat Reboot and

they're gonna throw some others in and eventually

they want to work it into the Justice League

like they did with with the Avengers But see

the thing is like we have all of okay Superman

2006 blah Nobody gives a shit about Brandon Ralph.

I like that movie And there's something wrong

with you if you like a stalker Superman. How

is he a stalker? He stalks the hell out of that

chick. That's what Clark Cannon, that's what

he always did. I mean, let's see, let's watch

the very first movie when, you know, he meets

her and then she's walking out and he runs after

her. At least Christopher Reeve's performance

wasn't all emo and brooding. Anyway, the problem

that I have between, like okay Marvel did it

right. Granted they couldn't do anything with

X -Men or Spider -Man because that's Fox and

Sony on those. But with all of their other properties

they built up a universe of movies where as DC

just releases, oh hey here's, Batman Begins in

2005. I'm not saying these movies are bad. Here's

Batman Begins in 2005. Here's Superman Returns

in 2006, which was bad. Here's Dark Knight in

2008. Here's Dark Knight Rises in 2012. If they

actually, you know, thought about creating a

universe and actually thought about leading up

to Justice League, they wouldn't need so many

fucking reboots. Here's Green Lantern. Sorry,

Blue. I honestly don't think that DC went into

it wanting to do a huge movie. So with Iron Man,

with Thor, with all the movies, there was the

intent from the very beginning to do an adventure

movie. And they're like, oh, hey, we can take

all these other movies or all these other characters

and we can give them their own individual movies.

That's a good idea. Well, right, but I mean,

okay, but look at it though, you know, you had

Superman returns was a good movie. No, it wasn't.

Yes, it was. No, it wasn't. It was. I thought

it was. Geekcast Radio Network, which produces

this fucking show, does not agree with Bob or

Paul on the fact that Superman Returns was a

good fucking movie because it wasn't a good fucking

movie. Great Lex Luthor. I thought it was a wonderful

movie. I thought Brandon roth was a really good

superman. I don't know. I don't know what you're

complaining about I thought I thought he I thought

he was just like Christopher Reeves I I agree

Oh, what was that? Say about Brandon roth Dylan

dog uh... you know what the marvel movies is

yes they set out to make an avengers movie but

everyone wanted everyone is one of dc for years

to make a justice league movie and granted years

ago they couldn't do it is another technology

but since two thousand five they could have been

building up to it they could have you know spent

from two thousand five to now building up to

a justice league movie they could have actually

done a decent green lantern movie and not put

fucking van wilder in it you know They could

have I haven't seen that movie yet, so I don't

even know it's that's all of them I'm gonna go

ahead and spoil it for you right now. The villain

is the fucking yellow fear monster Well, it's

yeah, I know the villain is I know the villain

well the villain is supposed to be parallax But

they screwed up Wait a second some Mariah baby

on Twitter just told me that there's another

scene at the end of Avengers pass. Yes, there

is There's eight through all of them. Yes, the

second one is just for comedy that you didn't

miss much. What was it? You remember how? Tony

was saying that that you know after all the big

battle was done that they need to go to that

Little restaurant that was like two blocks away

That's all it was, was them sitting there in

that restaurant eating right after the battle.

That's all it was. No talking, no nothing. Just

them hanging out. Just them hanging out. At Denny's

at 2 a .m. What else are you going to do at Denny's

or, you know, at 2 a .m. but go to Denny's? Go

to Denny's, yeah. Like, hey, what do you want

to do? It's 2 a .m. Let's go to Denny's. Let's

go to Denison. Let's have chocolate syrup and

whipped cream and everything else on our pancakes.

Have you seen those fucking commercials now?

They're like... Those are pretty good. I mean,

it's kind of... No, I mean, it looks great, but

I just find it funny that commercial is so funny.

It's like a cholesterol person's worst nightmare.

It's for drunk people to, you know, be able to

drive home after the hangover... Well, exactly.

...kicks in. Exactly. The hangover part three.

Yeah. Or the stoners, when they get the munchies.

Man I could kill for some pancakes right now

Let's find out let's let's see what we can throw

on a pancake. How about some Vasco sauce and

some mayonnaise and some Yeah bacon. Oh gotta

have bacon mustard mustard and maybe some potato

skins. I don't know Yeah, getting back to the

DC vs. Marvel film universe thing, all I'm saying

is, instead of DC doing a bunch of... Okay, granted,

Batman needed a reboot. It needed something new

compared to the original movies that they released.

It did need a reboot. No, no, no, no. What? Compared

to the last two... Well, not even the last two.

The last one, yes. But... Well, that's what I'm

saying. Batman Returns and Batman Forever are

not bad movies. No, they're not. The last one

was awful, though. That one killed everything.

All right. All right. Let me get this out, damn

it. 89 was good. It has camp in it, but it's

good. Returns, I liked it. I actually saw that

in the theater. Forever, it has Chase Meridi

and Nicole Kidman. That's all that needs to be

said about that. And then. Batman and Robin,

the only decent thing about that was Alicia Silverstone

in the Batsuit. Other than that, nothing good

came out of that movie. Although, I did like

Chris O'Donnell as Robin. When you look at all

these Batman movies, I really thought that Uma

Thurman did a good job as Poison Ivy. I think

the script and the story behind it was absolutely

terrible. I even thought that Arnold Schwarzenegger

did a pretty good job as Mr. Freeze. He just

played, you know, again, the script was bad.

Everybody blames What's -His -Face for such a

terrible movie. And while, yes, I do agree with

it, it's a lot of the writing. I mean, the way

that they wrote Mr. Freeze to be was really kind

of stupid. I mean, and granted, Mr. Freeze is,

for me, a very... Batman animated series character

when I think of when I think of mr. Freeze, I

immediately think of that character Well, that's

because that's because that was the first time

that anything was ever done with mr. Freeze besides

being a diamond thief or a jewel thief in the

comics and in the old 66 TV series Paul Dini

and burst em were the first people to actually

give him a backstory. Well, yeah It's a one,

you know, and I, you know, I think that they

really kind of screwed the pooch on the writing

of said character. And, you know, one of my favorite

characters of all time, Bane, was a complete

moron in it. So, I mean, I think there were good

elements. to it uh right but my point here is

though you're not allowed to have a point by

the way shut the hell up with this fucking show

i got i got a point i got mommy mommy dad shut

up bob don't even don't even go there shut up

bob don't even go there uh my point here is is

though yes i agree batman did need a reboot after

those original films. It did need a new direction,

a different direction to bring it into the 2005

audience and beyond. Honestly, I don't see much

of a difference between the Dark Knight, the

new incarnation of Batman and what Tim Burton

was trying to do. I think they should have left

it to Keithan and just called it good. Stop it,

Bob! Keithan should have come back to be Batman.

I don't even know. I mean, I don't even think

he actually screwed that name up, but I'm just

gonna preemptively do it for him. I mean, those

guys should have came back. You know what? I

actually remember reading somewhere that Jack

Nicholson was actually kind of pissed off that

they didn't ask him to come back to do the Joker.

Did you hear about that? Yeah, he was actually

kind of annoyed about it because he's like, well,

I'm the Joker. And everybody knows how Nicholson

is. I mean, he's kind of a cocky, arrogant, smug

prick anyhow. Well, he should be cocky, arrogant,

and smug about fucking Charlie Sheen taking over

his role for anger management. That's what he

should be fucking pissed about, because Charlie

Sheen's gonna torture that fucking role. Well,

it's not a... I don't think it's necessarily

based off of that. It is. It's the anger management

television series is based off of the film and

Charlie Sheen will be playing the character that

Jack Nicholson played in the movie Well, that

just seems really dumb it is so anyway my whole

point here is my whole point here is and I'll

shut up after this my whole point here is and

then When they started the Batman movies, when

they rebooted it with Begins... Go ahead. You're

an asshole. Batman! You're a Class A asshole!

That's not nice. My whole point here is they

could have done something more with Begins and

told, like, they could have done the little snippets

that Marvel does at the end of the movies and

stuff like that leading up to, like, hey, you

know, okay, the... In begins, the mansion gets

destroyed, so they have to work out of a new

bunker in Dark Knight. They could have had something

that Batman was planning to create or bring together

the Justice League or something like that, and

throughout all of these movies that DC has had

since then, they could have been leading up to

something like Marvel did. That's what I'm saying.

Marvel did it right in creating a universe to

create their team -up movie. They had Spider

-Man in the DVD for X -Men, at the end. Well

that's because Spider -Man and X -Men are both

owned by Sony and Fox. Spider -Man is owned by

Sony and X -Men is owned by Fox, so... Stop being

such a whiny baby. I'm not, why don't you shut

the... Did you just like bleep yourself? Yes,

I'm talking so you can hear every other word.

He's buffering. It's called a Neuralizer. It's

a gift from some friends from out of town. What

the fuck was that? Neuralizer. What do you think?

Neuralizer. Stop. That's way too loud. Sorry.

Yay, thunderstorm moving in. Tornado alley, anyone?

No. It's rare if the tornado hits by me. Too

many mountains in the way. That would be that

would be yeah, that would be weird that'd be

like Tell her that you like it's happened It's

happened last year last year one touchdown in

North Philly not not far from where we have one

of our meetups I was gonna say that it'd probably

be about as rare as LA getting snow But it doesn't

sound like it's all that rare, to be honest.

Where big media are crashing into your home and

checking your whole house. Maybe. Maybe. Well,

you do live in Kansas. That happens to also be

Superman returning. Did you hear about that,

Paul? What, the... That day that your whole house

shook and you thought it was an earthquake? Yeah,

it was... That happened the day before his house

shook. Yeah. That happened in Northern California.

Oh, I thought it was your, um, whatever. Nevermind

then. Supermoon. Yeah, it was more north of me,

so I wasn't too worried about it. But yeah, it,

like, hit with, like, the force of, like, a whole

bunch of TNT or something. You shouldn't want

to look to see if there was a Green Lantern in

it, and you could've got the ring. Maybe. Well,

I'm telling you, I think it was Superman returning.

As a baby, or was he, you know... No, no, he

returned. He was returning. Meaning he's already

been here. Okay. He was coming back as a naked

adult. Paul? My kids say it was Armageddon, but

it failed. What was Armageddon? A meteor. Apparently,

according to my wife's students, the meteor that

hit was Armageddon, but it failed. Oh, so it's

an asteroid. Yay! Yeah. That's better than a

hemorrhoid. Yeah. Well... That could just be

one of those, that could be one of those early

asteroids before that big one that's supposed

to hit us later this year or something. What's

it supposed to be later this year? I don't remember

if it's later this year. Yeah, sometime in like

November or something. The Mayans. That's funny.

That's it, the Mayans. You know, everybody's

like, oh no, Dick Clark's dead, that means there's

not going to be any New Year, so he had, the

Mayans had it right. We're not going to have

a New Year, so... Cuz remember, I have to turn

31st, sweetheart. Oh, no, we have to have children

before it's the end of the world. That has to

happen. Well, Snooki's baby is due on the 21st

of December, so... Stop it! It's Snooki. You

know what, I'm going on the record. Are you recording

this, Mike? Will you stop fucking asking me that

of course I'm recording this last 15 fucking

minutes going on record to saying that when Mike

gets a girlfriend That's when the world will

end As long as I do it before the hobbit comes

out of the world ends before the hobbit Wow,

did you guys hear that? He's gonna do a hobbit

that was a big one do it with a hobbit They're

taking that they're taking the harvest isengard.

Oh, no here we go Bot con robots What about back

on what happened jazz jazz jazz happened Just

got repainted his long arm. There is gonna be

that. Jazzbot shot. Is there gonna be a Jazzbot

shot? Yes sir. I'm excited because I saw a Wheeljack

Creo or Creon. And it looked like the video game

Soundwave is gonna have little buddies to play

with. He's gonna have... his little tapes or

something. Yeah. What are they like going to

be like legion class or something like that that

can actually inside his chest? They're smaller

and they turn into CDs and somehow that they

can be deployed from him. And when they're deployed,

they automatically transform is how the gimmick

works. Oh, I like that idea. That can be that

can be interesting. That could work. That could

be very interesting. So, is there a particular

place you want to start TF2 on, Mike? He stopped

talking. Uh, yeah. Essentially, yes. You made

mommy cry. Apparently I did. Shut the fuck up,

Bob. Let me see. Uh, these were the... Let's

see. Shut the hell up. Poly. Yeah. I know you

hate being called Polly. Did you see the masterpiece

Transformers Prime? Optimus? Yeah. Yeah, what

do you think of it? Well, I would just like to

say that if you know everybody Everybody that

knows me knows that I already knew that this

was coming out But there were some questions.

I knew I knew that it was coming out. I knew

it was coming out with the trailer I didn't know

if it was gonna come with Spike or The Matrix.

So I'm happy to see that those are both included

in it and from everything that everybody is saying

right now, it's going to have the bigger smokestacks.

Which that was another big question mark that

people were like, I don't know if I want to get

it because it might not have the big smokestacks,

blah blah blah. it apparently is going to have

the bigger smokestack so that really does impress

me and the colors honestly don't look that much

different than the uh the actual takara one so

the only difference is isn't isn't the hasbro

one just plastic no die cast there's i i i honestly

there's not even die casting the takara one it's

really his feet are not It's Peter Dykes and

that's it. So Well, whoa, I didn't know Spike's

last name was Witwicky. Yes, you did not know

that. Are you serious? I totally didn't know

that. What the fuck is wrong with you? That's

not something that they that they made up for

the movies Well, there goes to show I pay attention

They mentioned his name Witwicky in the original

cartoon come on now Yeah, they did the one that

I can think of is when uh Carly's there And Sparkplug

comes back and Carly refers to him like, welcome

home, Mr. Witwicky. Yep. And I think they even

say it in the More Than Meets the Eye three -parter

when they introduce themselves. I'm Sparkplug

Witwicky and this is my son, Spike. I think they

even say that in the very first episode. Maybe

Bob needs to go back and watch G1. Hey, Bob,

do you have Netflix? I do not. Well, you should

get it. Cuz I don't have a credit card. So why

would I how would I get Netflix? Oh man? You

know the whole debt -free thing I don't want

to get back in there $8 .23 a month is going

to it really is a good deal i know but that's

how it starts you know you know you get one hooker

next you know you got five and then you got a

bunch of dead ones in your living room and then

you don't know what to do with them and yeah

it's it's that's all from there maybe you shouldn't

get you know five hookers done well i know but

you get one netflix next thing you know you're

buying like games and well you get one netflix

and next thing you know you have a whole house

of prostitutes What? A whole burlesque house

of prostitutes. A whole burlesque house of prostitutes.

And it all started because of Netflix. Yeah,

exactly. Sons of bitches. Sons of bitches. But

anyhow, geez lord, Mike, what the hell did you

do? There's a million different things here that

you just posted. They're all the pictures for

BotCon. Yeah. So let me, let me take a look.

Let me go through some of these pictures. Soundwave,

yeah, the Soundwave is a Voyager class. Which,

um... For the fall of Cybertron, Tony. For the

fall of Cybertron. Which, you know, I'm kind

of on the fence about that, because... Every

other, you know, video game figure, except for

this one, as far as I know of, is just deluxe

size. Well, what are they having him transform

into? I don't understand what his, like, no head...

Is he supposed to be, like, in the cartoon? Like

the lamp thing? No. I don't get what he is. The

vehicle he was from the game. I know, but if

you look in between, is it just like the mid

-transformation of him? No. It's like right underneath

Optimus as you scroll down on that first page.

Alright, let me see. It's like you see the trailer

of Optimus and then you see Optimus and it's

right underneath that. Right. Right, his vehicle

mode is the same as it was in War for Cybertron

and Follow Cybertron. It's the same vehicle.

I understand that. It's just a front view, so

it looks... Yeah. It's like him leaning at an

angle with no head. No, that's... Well, in vehicle

mode, you're not supposed to see a head unless

you're scared. No, no, no. He's not in vehicle

mode. Okay, okay, okay. Alright, I got it. Bob?

Image address. Here, Bob, look at this one. Which

image number are you looking at? Um, it is number,

uh, 67 of 139. Okay. That's what I needed to

know. 67 of 139. Alright. Let me skip ahead here.

Oh, boy. Podcasting at its finest, ladies and

gentlemen. It is. It's right before the, the

crap it gets. Okay. I see, I see exactly what

he's talking about now. And, and you're right.

It does kind of look like it's supposed to resemble,

uh, The G1 where he like transformed into that

weird kind of thing. Yeah, it's like a light

pole kind of looking thing. I mean, I see exactly

what he's talking about. I have honestly no idea

why that. Maybe it's just... Like mid -transformation?

Maybe, but I mean, at Monokan they don't do that.

They show the two different modes, but this might...

I honestly don't know why they would do this

unless this is some kind of an official mode.

I mean, I know the people that put the displays

are pretty retarded, but... I don't think they're

that retarded. Do you see what I mean, Mike,

now? No, you'll have to send me the link to the

actual picture. Just go to picture number 67.

OK, yeah, it's a bottom shot. No, it's not. Yes,

it is. It's this one, Mikey. OK, see, now how

hard was that? Damn it. Oh, lord. No, it's not

that one. It just did the whole thing. Christ

almighty. I'm not even looking. I wouldn't if

I were you. I like that Soundwave is a Voyager

class now for War for Cybertron. Are they gonna

do them all? Yeah, I mean, I don't understand

it because they're all deluxes except for this

one. Well, I think the reason why I've gravitated

more towards Voyager class at this point is because

they've shrunk the deluxe class so far down I

mean, they're like we need to save money. We

need to save the environment We need to make

our toys smaller and more intricate and whatever

the other the fuck and It's just I don't think

it has anything to do with saving the environment

dipshit It was saving money their money. Yeah

Who's the guy that's like purple and gold? That

is Kickback. Yeah. That's supposed to be the

Insecticon Kickback. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Which,

it's cool. I'm happy to see that they're doing

that because for the longest time, everyone's

like, Hasbro, give us what we want so that we

don't have to get it from third -party things.

And now we're getting an official Insecticon,

which I'm thrilled about. Mean he's kind of weird

looking But I mean, you know, I really like his

head his head is very his head really kind of

looks like it's a reuse of the via con and Like

in like kickbacks antennas on the side Yeah,

you know kind of strange okay, so there's so

there's that what else do we have? There is the

rust -and -piece cliff jumper Yeah What it looks?

Dude somebody just posted a review of the um

Mitch Santana just posted That's the part like

how it's all purple yeah, I can't stand that

I don't like the clip jumper mold I definitely

don't like the Hasbro version of it. Well, it's

the same. Not the first edition, the crap RID.

The RID version, yeah. If you watch my video,

I wanted to kill it. I wanted to dropkick it

across the floor. Well, you just kept getting

yelled at by the Rock. Set it on fire. Set it

on fire. I almost did. If my kids weren't there

and the Rock wasn't annoying me the whole time.

You know, the... The funniest thing for me and

some of the SDCC exclusives, it doesn't matter

what company makes them, is the packaging. Like

you take, or if you don't want to take it, but

take last year's Mattel Swamp thing. That packaging

was very cool. Figure, not so much. I think it's

a good figure. It'll deteriorate after time.

Well, it's just like stay puffed in it. Well,

they're not deteriorating They're falling apart

the problem with the well And I honestly I can't

even say that because I don't I don't I mean

nobody's had it for too long so with with um

With the swamp thing at least it's a harder more

Durable rubber if you keep it in one post for

so long then when you move it into a different

pose you're gonna see some kind of a damage to

it. I've already seen that action on the elbows

of mine, but it's not nearly as bad as the clay

face that they made a couple years ago. That

thing is absolutely terrible. It's a cool figure.

It looks great, but it's completely started to

fall apart on mine. So in other words, I should

leave my clay face in the box with Batman like

I've got him. Yeah. I mean, OK, you know. The

way, and this isn't just, and I'm not talking

about mass market toys here. A convention exclusive

should be the best, should be, just like Masterpiece.

Convention exclusives and Masterpiece toys should

be the best versions or best thing you ever have

because it's additional price, it's not regular

price, it's specialized packaging, and it, you

know. It just should be better quality than normal.

It should not have issues like that I mean Paul,

you know you you and I went through a whole thing

with with Ghostbusters and and Stay puffed and

everything else about him yellowing and everything

else. So that's just freaking stupid I like the

packaging for the cliff jumper, but now that

I've seen Mitch Santona's review of the Smurf

jumper version, I actually like the purple version

better, because this one, he doesn't look like,

the robot mode, it doesn't look like from the

pictures, it doesn't look like he's infected

with a whole lot of dark energon except around

his face. I mean, there's bits here and there

on him, but... Hmm. Yeah, he has a tiny little

crack in his windshield and yeah a couple stickers

on his chest Other than that, I mean and on his

leg and a new head sculpt Yeah, I mean I've seen

up the bottom is that when when he did when Paulie

did his and just put the stickers on it You know,

it looked way better than national for it Like

you said if it's a San Diego comic -con, you

think you're gonna get something that you can

only get there I mean anybody that has first

first edition prime care You know first edition

cliff jumper can make one of them themselves

Mm -hmm. It just you want if you're gonna I wonder

what they're gonna charge for that thing, too

Probably outrageous. You know fight up 20 bucks

like optimus was Since Paul's going there I wonder

if he's gonna actually pick it up once he gets

back from doing whatever he's doing Yeah, I don't

know He stepped away for a moment. He had to

feed his fish. Oh lovely. No, I don't know. I

was making it up Anyway going back to like the

exclusive things The like the Toys R Us version

of prime that it's coming out masterpiece. Yeah

when Rodimus was out I only seen it one time

and I went back like in a couple days later and

it was gone and I was the only time I ever seen

it So I wonder if it's gonna be like impossible

to get like in store probably especially where

I live in Kansas I mean we're always the last

to get everything because we're in the middle

of the country I never have problems getting

that stuff actually. Yeah, but you live like

right on the East Coast Yeah, I'm in the middle

of nowhere and by the time it gets here. It's

already It's already like five years old by the

time we actually start seeing stuff It's like

a lot of people had problems finding masterpiece

Grimlock when he hit toy russ i don't want to

sell by my mother's house to have like sixty

of them sitting in there i will say you like

you shut up that it is this boy i'd just now

heard who uh... lady gaga is and she's been out

for her who knows how long known to him good

lord uh... well uh... uh... but anyway this this

for any for i don't think that's the wrong person

anyway Um, but the thing of it is though, like,

uh, uh, buddies of mine that do another podcast,

Dave and Deval over at toyworldorder .com, they

were asking about the differences between the,

uh, Hasbro masterpiece versions and the Takara

versions. The only thing I can think of is, is

the original MP01 had, he was larger size and

he was die cast. No, no, no. The only difference

was the smokestacks. That was it. Well, there's

two different Hasbro releases. The original one

came out was perfectly fine, it had long smoke

stacks, looked good. Then Hasbro released a 20th

anniversary one that had a horrible paint job,

and it had shortened smoke stacks, and then it

came with a base that was like, I am Optimus

Prime, and it wasn't even Cullen's voice. I got

the original release of the Hasbro version. I

got it from Walmart way back when when it first

came out and he had the short smoke stacks and

he had the They gave him the battle damage paint

job. That's the other that's the other alternate

one Yeah, well, I didn't yeah cuz when I had

didn't have the base you yeah the other one the

other one that you know Hasbro came out with

was the one that had the shortened smoke stacks

and had battle damage which And it was essentially

identical to the Takara one that came out. Just

had the battle fan. My question here is, the

Takara ones use diecast. The MP01 from Takara

has die, it's diecast metal. Do you want me to

pick up my MP01 and smack you over the head with

it? Because it's the Hasbro version and it's

almost all diecast. Okay, well that's what I

was asking because I thought the only difference

is... between any Hasbro release of a Takara

masterpiece is usually the paint job. That's

it. Sometimes, like, accessories are different.

The Grimlock figure is identical. It's got the

same amount of die cast, all that stuff. It's

all the same. I just wasn't sure, because I know

how Takara loves to use the die cast metal, and

Hasbro prefers crappy plastics. I think the MP

Grimlock... From from hasbro actually has a better

paint job than the takara one. Yeah, it's it's

more well They went for two different aesthetics,

you know one went for an animated aesthetic,

you know animated accurate color scheme Which

I think is what hasbro did and then the takara

one went for more of a toy the toy aesthetic

right you know which you know I mean it depends

on what you know what what you're actually into

you know the other thing is like I said you know

the other minor differences are the accessories

the uh the Hasbro one didn't come with for Grimlock

it didn't come with the tray or the apron I don't

think no it came with the crown it came with

the crown for him you know for King Grimlock

but um you know uh I'm trying to think Don't

think I'm trying to think about the Starscream

the original Takara release of Starscream I don't

know if that came with dr. Arkaville or if that

was something that was added for the Hasbro.

I Don't remember all I know is that the Hasbro

one? Had the more g1 paint job plus had the battle

damage Right and it didn't have stickers of the

car one had stickers which I was like why? Right

and it had that ugly gray color. Yeah. Yeah,

so I mean In terms of mold, they're identical

molds, Mike. Okay. I just wasn't sure because

I always thought that the Takara versions, as

I said, I always thought Takara used the die

cast, but Hasbro didn't. I thought that's outside

of the accessory differences. I always thought

that was the difference between the two versions.

And that's why Hasbro was able to offer it at

a lower price. They're also I mean you also have

to understand that has was able to at a lower

price because these are Much more mass -made

items than the Takara ones You know say Takara

makes a thousand Master pleat masterpiece Optimus

Prime figures Hasbro gets it and they can now

make ten thousand so just by the sheer number

that's going to reduce costs In you know just

overall. I mean people are buying more so you

get more of a discount you know which you know

when you look at like for example the The Starscream

that was a Hasbro the Hasbro release of it. That

was a Walmart exclusive So I mean well at least

in the United States. It was a Hasbro exclusive

Yeah, so you get you know has or you know Hasbro

going to Walmart and Walmart being like yeah

We'll order and you know 50 ,000 of them As opposed

to to car who tries to sell their ugly one that

doesn't even start scream, you know They you

know might make ten thousand of them or something.

I don't know. Yeah, but okay Okay, now let me

ask you guys this if none of you had a masterpiece

prime already Like like I don't I don't I don't

have any masterpiece stuff. I'd wait for the

Hasbro one of mp10 Okay, so you would rather

have You would rather have the upcoming MP10

versus the MP01. MP10 is a far better looking

and much more accurate looking representation

of Optimus Prime to the cartoons than MP01. MP01

was impressive because it was all diecast. Well,

not all diecast, but 75 % diecast. And it was

big. It was massive. Right and you know I mean

it was a very impressive piece, but then when

you transformed it into his truck mode his truck

looked horrible At least you know with MP MP

10 yes, it's a little bit smaller But that's

you know Takara has already come on said that

that's gonna be the new standard size form that

they're doing Which is fine because I mean they're

big already I mean I thought they were a little

bit too big previously, but with with MP 10 you

get everything You get the trailer you get roller

You know you get a little spike you get the matrix

you had to wait for like Because mp01 does not

come with the trailer right you had to wait till

mp04 for that yeah, so you know which it was

even more money, so You know I I would you know

I haven't done my review yet on them because

I've been slacking but with mp tagger really

is it really is the best version of optimus prime

that we've gotten so far and Let me ask you this

it's too expensive I mean he's like $250 and

I don't think it's worth it when you compare

it to the $250 or well not even $250 you pay

less than that for and well when mp01 first came

out it wasn't that much I think it was like less

than 200 bucks, but it came when it came on I

mean that that thing like I said is like 75 percent

diecast and it costs less than what mp10 is You

know who only has like diecast in his feet And

I was like, no, this is not worth it. So the

Hasbro version will probably run you around 100,

maybe 150 bucks. I just hope I can find it. That'll

be the problem. Especially if I live, yeah. From

the Hasbro releases, I saw one release of Grimlock.

I saw one in stores. That was the only time I

saw it. I still have never, to this day, seen

Rodimus Prime. in stores anywhere now other people

have but he never got to my store and that might

that might be because you know i was hearing

some rumors that people were you know scalpers

were coming in there and the stores got wise

to it and wouldn't put them on the shelves they

would hold them in like the back or hold them

underneath the counter and wait for somebody

to come up and ask for them and be like yeah

we have some right here they didn't put them

on the shelves because people like You know,

they would just go in, see him, and scalp him,

you know, buy him, and then run away with him.

Right. Which was retarded, but, you know. Scalpers,

the bane of my existence. I'm telling you. I'm

telling you. I was so, I was so shocked that

I walked into my Toys R Us the other day, and,

uh, what was it, two days ago? Two days ago,

yesterday, something like that? Maybe it was

yesterday. Walked in there, and I found Knockout

and Hot Shot. Now, there wasn't any... Vehicle

but the via cons aren't aren't those being short

-packed. Yeah, there's only one per case So,

I mean that's that's totally understandable that

that one would be the first one gone, but I was

shocked to see knockout and and Hot hot I was

absolutely Just see this is this is another instance

where having a wife that works at Target is helpful

because she's friends with the people who stock

the toys They give me a heads up sometimes when

they're getting stuff in That's the way to do

it my friends. I mean if I didn't have Going

around and going to stores to find this stuff.

That's what I would do Damn straight So what

I got that's how I got ratchet she she kept an

eye out she knew they had him in the store She

brought me one home Well speaking of Ratchet

I guess we could talk about the transformers

prime toys and the fact that at least in my opinion

as a deluxe black or not black arachnia fuck

arachnid arachnid as a deluxe sucks she just

doesn't look good at all to me I think you know

I mean I think as a deluxe I think she'll be

fine because she's supposed to be small I mean

she's like RC size So that should be okay. What

a lot of people are going to complain about is

the fact that she's only got two modes. One of

which is a helicopter, which is kind of annoying

people because her name is Arachnid. They should

have given her the spider alt mode and then maybe

at some point in time do a Voyager triple changer.

But if you're going to do a Deluxe and you're

going to start small, start with the robot mode

and at least start with something where she gets

her namesake from. Mean yeah, that's kind of

and see that's my thinking Why didn't they just

instead of doing a void instead of doing a deluxe

now or whenever? She's gonna be released. I don't

know. I'm not looking at the thing Instead of

doing a deluxe now and only having the two modes

why not? Wait save that money put it into the

Voyager with you know her being a triple changer

That would make more sense to me, and it would

probably sell more It makes more sense to you,

but it doesn't make sense to them because they

want as much stuff out there on the shelves as

possible to be able to sell the stuff. Yeah,

but if you go into a store and you see a toy

that's totally ugly to you, you're not going

to buy it, whether you're, you know, people our

age or whether you're a kid. I mean, you're not,

you know, a kid's not going to go in and say,

oh, mommy, a black helicopter. I want it. You

know what I mean? They're not going to do that

anyhow, because historically speaking, girl characters

do not sell well in poi form at all. That's true.

That's true. What did you guys think of that

Shockwave shocker? I don't even actually know

I don't know if I I mean I heard that it got

confirmed for being because they showed a clip

of it or something What happened was at the Hall

of Fame night or something at the Hall of Fame

night? They showed a tribute clip for Shockwave.

At the end was a snippet from an upcoming episode

of Transformers Prime showing a very Generation

1 looking Transformers Prime Shockwave. No voice

or other details yet, but you can read it on

TFW first. And no pictures obviously have surfaced

of this, right? Well, besides what was on the

video, which I don't think anyone has put up

on YouTube yet, the only picture that TFW has

is that backwards ass War for Cybertron picture.

Um, I don't think yeah, I don't think that looks

that bad though the war for Cybertron. Well,

no, it doesn't I mean, I think he should be bigger,

but that's just personal preference I mean people

don't think that he was small in the game. I

never got that far in the game. So well, he was

only a He was only a store -exclusive character

that you could play with. Oh, you played online

or something, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, that's really

all he was in War for Cybertron. Yeah. The War

for Cybertron design is cool. I don't think...

I think they're gonna prime him up. I think that...

You know, we speculated over at the All Things

Transformers podcast when we did that episode

about BotCon that he's probably gonna look similar

to Soundwave as far as the... the thinness and

design of him um as far as his overall aesthetic

but i don't know i i would hope that shockwave

would be bigger than soundwave at least a little

bit well my thought process is that uh good old

shocker is still on cybertron he's still running

that show albeit probably it's a you know fleeting

There's no show to run in Transformers Prime,

Cybertron. Do what? That planet is dead, dude.

Well, I mean, the fact that the Insecticons are

still there to me says that there's still some

kind of a presence of, you know, Decepticon or

something there. So I think Shockwave is there

in some kind of really limited capacity, kind

of like overseeing a dead empire. I mean, he's

just kind of there. but um you know and then

all these relics they're they're going around

getting all these relics of cybertron and stuff

like that and i i don't know i think that that's

going to be that some that's in my opinion that's

how it's going to get tied in to like the season

finale yeah that's that's my thought process

i don't know all as i know is i'm absolutely

loving that show Show is just awesome a lot of

people like complaining about they say that there's

very little character development well at least

with the I mean like a lot of hardcore fans are

Bitching and complaining they don't like Peter

Cullen as this optimist prime There's no point

in the show. They're not doing anything. They

fight they fight done I mean, there's no I mean

they had this couple shows that were like three

in a row that actually tied together But what's

the point? There's no like long? Story going

on like what's the yes there is what's the goal?

We haven't gotten to the goal yet. They're looking

for the relics right now Every week they're trying

to get them, but it's like watching the old like

what you talked about before it's like watching

The Incredible Hawk he just kind of wanders around

and gets into things. It's like there's no real

point Just go find the relics and stop messing

around with shadow strike bumblebee for some

frickin reason there's gonna be a toy Well, yeah,

there's gonna be a shot. Well, but but again

as as Paul always says Hasbro has to make their

money So repaint repaint repaint, especially

bumblebee Well, that's because Hasbro that's

where they make their most money from kids is

is they buy a bunch of bumblebee shit Well, maybe

they should just do like a show for like mute

people not have anybody talk during the whole

show and they'll sell like crazy You know I find

it interesting though that everybody they always

talk about how that these you know These are

cartoons that are designed for kids and things

of that nature Well, that's the time is designed

for the fans in my opinion Well, then and that's

that's what I was gonna say if that's the case

Then why do we have rescue rescue bots going

at the same time, right? Yeah, you know I mean

they clearly made a conscious decision to say

that this is for older Fans for the most part

in rescue bots is for the younger kids but I

Don't know. I don't know. I mean I see what people

saying I mean, I mean other than the nostalgia

factor of having Cullen and Welker do an Optimus

Prime and Megatron I Really do think that this

this Optimus Prime could be played by somebody

else And hell they could bring David Kay into

this and have him do Optimus Prime and no they

couldn't Not David, no. And the only reason why

I say no to David Kaye on this style of Optimus

is because of the fact that he is so ingrained

in our minds as animated Optimus design. Oh,

yeah. OK, OK. And Peter Cullen's not ingrained

in our mind is something else either? Well, he

is, but. I mean and see that's the thing. It's

like everybody hates on calling as prime in this

series I don't I like seeing and I like hearing

him with that design for this because I don't

see the Transformers prime cartoon optimus as

Yes, he does have a little bit of movie design,

but it's also unique to this cartoon. It's not

the exact copy of the movie. It's slightly different

Well, so so is bumblebee. So what's your point?

I like bumblebee in prime I think Bob needs to

get Netflix so he can watch the first season

because it does tell a full -on story between

season one and season two. I've watched every

episode and it's just like some of them it's

so slow it's like just get to the freaking point

already. Season one was you know all leading

up towards the whole Unicron thing which I thought

that they blew the Unicron load a little bit

too early. I really think that they should have

saved that and made that a little bit more of

an epic thing. Because honestly, no matter what

happens, Unicron being the core of our planet,

they could have blown that up into something

massive. I thought that was very unique. That

had never been done before. I mean, Usicron had

always been his own planet. Yeah, that's fine.

That's fine. But what I'm saying is that they

could have taken this and used it as, you know,

like a series finale sort of thing that had a

much more epic, powerful tone to it. Well, I

know I know you have the DVD sets, but I'm not

sure if you have listened to the commentaries

because I have. OK, well, then, you know, in

the commentaries, they say Because Unicron is

the center of the earth. He's great now. He's

just defeated. He may come back He's sleeping

again that the matrix didn't kill him it just

right back in the stasis But so I mean you're

right, and if he comes back. He's gonna be really

pissed off I just think I think my biggest problem

with the whole show is There's only like you

know for Autobots. You know and then you got

will talk flying around wherever But there's

so many Decepticons and they just keep coming

and there's more and more and more and... Why

don't they just... I just don't understand. There's

not as many Decepticons as you think. I mean,

the Vehicons are just drones. You can't really

count them. Yeah, but they have their own personalities

and stuff. Doesn't matter. They're cannon fodder.

That's all they are. Yeah, they really are. But

I mean... So, okay, we got Starscream, we got

Soundwave, we got Knockout, we have Breakdown,

we have Megatron. Well, we kind of have Breakdown,

we're not sure if he's dead or... He's been around

for... Right, right. You got Dreadwing, you got...

It's like they keep coming up with new ones over

and over, you know, and... Who else? And let's

just throw the Veacons in there. I'm counting

eight. And then you got the Insecticon. Nine.

Okay, well they had like four hundred thousand

of them, you know Insecticons are like a bigger

version of the via cons, right? I don't okay.

Here's the thing I count the army's the I count

Megatron's armies whether they be insecticons

or via Connor Errata Connor, whatever your mom

count those as one army. That's Megatron's army

of soldiers against four autobots or whatever.

It just doesn't seem like how come they can keep

winning against... There's four autobots, but

then there's also Miko, Raph, and Jack. Useless.

No, they're not, actually. They're the best humans

in Transformers cartoon history. For love of

God. They are! How? How? They actually have character

development. They actually care about these autobots.

jackson jackson has character development okay

okay jack and raf have character development

miko she the only reason why i say miko has character

development is because of um... oh god what was

the episode uh... uh... not partners the partners

the one where they're stuck in the cave and she's

trying to save bulkhead even though she's only

a human and she can't lift her prop element that's

just she got development the only thing that

we know is that she's got a foster parent she's

got foster parents and her other parents live

in China or something like that and Raph we don't

know anything about other than he's smart right

Raph nothing Jack is the only one that's gotten

character development of these humans so far

yes so far but I mean you're already like a season

and a third Into the series and these main characters

still don't have character development, right?

I mean that's pretty weak. I mean and I'm not

just saying this just out of you know, whatever

I mean, I'm pissed off that it's taking this

long to get character development for you know,

the wiley twins in thundercats I'm like really

now we get the story about you know wiley kitten

cat like 20 episodes into it Okay, this is something

that should happen like in the first Like, dozen

episodes. Yeah. I don't know. I just think it's

a smartly written series. The series is not done

yet. They are putting everything that the writers

and creators of the cartoon, and I'm not counting

Hasbro here. Hasbro Studios, I will count. The

people that are working on it are actually paying

attention to it. They're doing the best they

can. They're bringing in pretty damn good writers.

and I think it's coming along very nicely we

don't know where it's gonna go because it's not

over yet and you know Hasbro's behind it for

the most part it's not like you know Cartoon

Network and and all that bullshit with animated

so I think we're gonna take a break here in the

podcast because Kevin just kind of disappeared

we'll be back after this Horse Prime Look let

him know I just received excess to satellite

imagery which I believe pinpoints the center

of operations of men Oh for the love of Get me

someone who speaks something other than bleep!

I can help. What? Do I hear a fuzor in need of

voice box repair? What's a fuzor? What's going

on over there? Everybody do the bed. You know,

I gotta say that this, uh, this, uh, RID, uh,

Viacom is really fun to transform. You like how

the foldy windows go, like, into the feet? Yeah,

his legs like fold out, fold out, fold out. Right.

It's ridiculous. I love this thing. I love how

much of the kibble gets hidden on him. Oh, yeah.

It's amazing. The only thing that I'm kind of

like about are his derpy arms. I mean, his arms

are really. So you're saying he has derpy ooze.

Derpy. Derpy, derpy, derpy. I mean, his arms

are just, I don't know, derpy. What about his

weapon? His weapons kind of derpy to I can't

is better than the first or no, I don't think

it's better than the first But I mean it's it's

it's a good it's a good weapon it You know he

can hold it like it's a gun, but then it also

kind of sort of clips on to his his side panels

Which is like okay? That's that's fine, but it

doesn't look like it's coming out of his hand

At least with the first edition, they got that

right. I mean, but this is really, I mean, it

really is amazing. It's like, I love transforming

them. It's like, wow. Here's, I'm folding it

once, I'm folding it twice, I'm folding it three

times, and there's the whole roof of this damn

car. It's like, wow. I really do like this thing.

I just keep transforming it back and forth. What's

that? You know what to who? Who? When? What?

Who? I don't know. So, so out of all of them,

which one's your favorite so far? Out of all

of them ever? Out of all the prime toys. If you

had to pick one that was your favorite. The best

quality, you know, it has like an A that you

give it a 10 out of 10. If you had to. Because

I haven't found one yet. Wheeljack maybe. Wheeljack

I like um Are you talking just like our ID fingers?

Just a general just have the deluxe ones like

not not the voyagers or anything just deluxe

But but the RID ones not not including the first

edition no including every single Okay, okay,

all right calm down do all the deluxe it could

be a first edition or RID As the deluxe is um

If somebody was poor and he had $14 to spend

and they could only buy one in their whole lifetime,

which one would you tell him to pick? Ratchet.

I wouldn't buy ratchet. I would. He had stickers

though. But you probably can get stickers. I'm

gonna have to say... Starscream. Starscream?

Starscream is probably who I would pick, yeah.

Yeah, he's the only first edition one I have.

He's way better than the RIDs. Well, there is

rumor floating around right now that I just saw

that some of the first editions are going to

get released overseas at least. That should theoretically

bring some of the prices down on some of the

ones online and make it easier for people to

get them. So are they really like $80, $90 for

freaking first edition? Yeah. That's right. I

paid I paid $90 for the Dakar version of first

edition bulkhead Wow But it was a gift from somebody

somebody else actually paid that money. Not me

I just couldn't cease paying $90. You can almost

get a Gen one for that much. Yeah, that's that's

essentially paying paying an eBay price for an

early figure Yeah, yeah Mean I know they're hard

to get I said I didn't actually physically pay

for it somebody else right I I have a hard time

paying $14 you know in regular store I'm like

I remember when they were like 9 and 12 you know

like just the movie verse ones And they were

better quality. I think I Just I just cliff jumper.

I don't know he's he's soured my puss about it

Well, you know you you got a dud With him. No

arms are horrible man. I Mean I I agree they're

they're not that good but You know if you got

one that holds together a little bit better,

it's a little bit more manageable I agree that

the arms on the figure of bad. I was Hasbro for

making a crappy toy. I want my $14 back That's

not gonna spend $14. I only spent 11 on him At

Walmart here, they're $14 .99. Well, that's because

you're going to Walmart and their prices suck.

I don't care what the commercials say. Yeah,

even Target would be about the same. I mean,

I might save a dollar maybe. And sometimes you

can find them for $12, but still that's way too

much for a piece of shit that doesn't even stay

together. Sorry. I just hate that toy. I want

to burn it. I want to pee on it. while it's on

fire. I would do it on YouTube, but I'd probably

get in trouble. No, you wouldn't. Who would you

get in trouble by? I mean, if Paul can attempt

to light his ice cream. Light it on fire and

then pee on it? You don't have to. I don't even

think I'd waste a pee, actually. I'd just let

it burn. Dude, just go buy it. Oh, I got it.

Oh, this will really light it up. Light it on

fire. Go buy a bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade.

Light it on fire, and pour the alcohol over it.

I don't even know if that would... There's so

little alcohol in that stuff, I don't even think

it would catch on fire. You never know. May the

fourth be with you, by the way. May the fourth

be with you. Tomorrow's revenge of the fifth.

It is. Oh god. Hey, don't - no, no, it is. No,

I - I actually - I coined a new ver - I coined

a new day. You coined your what? I coined a new

day, dammit! What is that? You corndro your what?

Cornhole? Shut the fuck up. May the 4th be avenged.

May the 4th be avenged? That's stupid. You're

stupid. You're stupid. Mommy, daddy. Shut the

hell up. You're stupid, you're stupid. You're

more stupid, stupid. Hey, I gotta say MCA died

and I'm a very sad panda. What? MCA? Beastie

Boy MCA? Oh, okay. I'm a sad panda about it.

I know that has nothing to do with toys or Hasbro,

but it just makes me a sad panda. As older people

that we are, when we were young, we got our motivation

and our... our desire to fight for your right

from the Beastie Boys and now it's uh he lost

his battle what what 47 years old lost his battle

with cancer 47 yeah 47 and lost his battle with

cancer god rest his soul but uh my wife we have

we we we as you guys know uh i do have a new

addition to my house um Uh, not a cat yet. That

comes next week. Yeah, you killed a fish, another

one? Well, three fish now have died. Oh no. You're

a fish murderer. Two days in a row, I've lost

a fish. You've lost a fish face. I've lost a

fish face. So we got things stabilized, you know,

hopefully now, and you've got a lot of background

noise. What? Fucking Skype is telling me I got

background noise. Lovely, I need to go to the

grocery store. What the hell? Oh, I heard Mike.

Mike, you there? Yeah. Oh, okay. We lost Kevin

again. Yeah, I think we did. So we went and we

got, because I'm getting a ridiculous amount

of algae now growing in my tank, so we went and

we bought a couple snails, which Burn likes.

Burn likes snails. And we got two little hermit

crabs and all she does is she comes in and she

watches them eat poop off of my rocks Because

as soon as they got in this sounds kinky and

wrong I know as soon as as soon as they got in

the tank They went to town and burns all like

these are gonna be little fat snails by the time

they're done There's so much food in here. They're

gonna be fat. Well, they live in California.

What do you expect scat snails? But but gentlemen

you guys can continue on I actually have to leave

I have to go to the grocery store we We have

a Pentathlon Pentathlon there's no a in there.

It's pentathlon which is an academic academic

challenge thing for her students that I'm chaperoning

tomorrow and we have to go get snacks. Did she

get you a nice little chauffeur's hat? No, I'm

actually not allowed to drive because I don't,

in order to drive for like, what are these things

called? School trips? What are they called? Peel

trips. In order to drive, you actually have to

like go down and get fingerprinted by the police

and get all this stuff and you know, you have

to do like a whole process to be able to legally

be allowed to drive students to school events,

and I do not have that. So I don't need to drive.

And if you went down and got fingerprinted, people

would see that you destroyed plastic in your

youth. That's possibly true. They'd be like,

um, why is this guy allowed to be around children

when all he does is he burns things? So we have

to go and do that so you gentlemen can continue

on and Have fun and do your thing and I would

just like to say that the first edition Version

of the the vehicle is huge compared to this RID

one If I was still collecting I would want the

first edition for the alt mode and I would want

the RID one for the For the robot mode. Really,

when you transform the RID one into his robot

mode, he's as big as the first edition. I mean,

they're the same size in robot mode, but alternate

mode? Much, much bigger. Holy craptastic. I'm

looking at him now. Ridiculous. I mean, where's

my measuring tape? Hold on. Oh, it never ends.

Yes, it does. This thing is... All right lined

up front bumper to bumper This thing is like

a whole like half an inch longer Than then our

ID one and So can't get wrong. Oh Jesus all right

now. I'm leaving. Goodbye guys. Bye See you next

week He's gone I think I don't know I'm not even

looking at I'm loading shit to Facebook All right,

what else do we want to talk about anything Well,

I'm since I'm still having technical difficulties,

I don't know if you guys are no, I'm not but

I Think Bob needs to have a more of an open mind

with prime No, I have an open mind, but it just

seems a little unfair for the Autobots. It's

just like they're fighting an unsurroundable

force. Yeah, but they keep coming out on top

most of the time. I know, but it seems realistic.

They're the better fighters. It's not realistic

to me. I mean, they're undergunned, they're under

everything, and they still keep winning somehow.

Because they have little kids on their side,

and... I just... Don't know you know what Bob

I'll put you this way I overthink it I Did not

watch all of season one when it was airing Because

I watched like the the first five episodes. I

really wasn't impressed and then I went back

when the season finished and I saw the entire

season front to back and I fell in love with

the show so you might have to do it that way

Yeah I'm gonna keep giving it a try. I'm not

giving up on it. You know, I'm still gonna watch

it It's just maybe I overanalyze it too much,

and I'm just like where all these old Decepticons

coming from they don't say I Can't even hear

you guys sorry Keep going Bob. I Don't know it

just seems like you know every episode. There's

a new character new Decepticon showing up But

where are all the Autobots at? They're getting

blown up in space. And you know they're around.

Why don't they come and help them out? Well,

maybe the communications are down. I mean, there's

so many reasons I could give to you. But the

whole point is that the team prime that has been

there to this point They've been there for a

number of you like when when the series started

with darkness rising They'd been there for a

number of years previously. It wasn't like they

just crack It wasn't was like the fucking movies

where they just crash landed on earth, right?

Yeah, they've been there right. They've been

there for a while and The whole point of the

story is and I think this is The greatest thing

about television and cartoons is that you're

not constrained to 120 minutes or 90 minutes

or whatever film time constraints are. Where

you can bring in those new characters, you can

bring in other characters with the whole Wheeljack

thing. What happened was part of episode 20 of

season 1 partners that was originally supposed

to be a wheeljack episode But they had to change

it up because animation wasn't right or you know

something like that wasn't right so they created

the whole backstory of What I still can't hear

you guys it's okay He couldn't hear us it's okay,

but he can't hear you say it's okay It's okay.

Oh There you go um no but I understand what you

mean you know that they they've been there for

a long time and it's not gonna change but it's

just I mean the Decepticons have an airship why

don't they just bomb to live in daylights out

of where the Autobots are I mean they don't know

where the Autobots are that's the thing Megatron

was there wouldn't he have like a GPS thing knowing

where he was at they had single dampers I guess

I just overthink it or something. I just need

to just enjoy need to go back You need to go

into it like you would go into Revenge of the

Fallen a brainless stupid movie Why I read the

books and stuff first, right which was a mistake

Because the books are way better because they

it explains more. All right, but my thing is

say, okay They're looking for their art for artifacts,

right? Mm -hmm when prime got turned in to a

decepticon he could find him he was doing the

baby stepping he was decoding he was they were

able to find him right why doesn't he do that

when he's an autobot he just doesn't know how

to do it he doesn't remember well no well here

here's the thing he only remembers as orion right

remember as prime Right, exactly, because as

Orion Pax, he was the chronicler. He was the

archivist who knew how to do research. So now

he doesn't know how to do it once he turned into

Prime. Right, once he became Optimus Prime, he

became the future battle -hardened leader of

the Autobots. Okay, so he wouldn't have any memory

of who he used to be? Pretty much. Yeah as far

as far as far as what I can tell from the series.

Yes, I think that was my biggest thing It's like

why doesn't he just remember how to do it I mean

he did it before why couldn't he just when he's

prime. It's almost like he's another person It's

like split personality kind of thing has the

matrix. He's completely War gun ho leadership,

but when he doesn't he's kind of like the nerdy

computer guy Yeah, he turns into Sheldon I'm

joking, but it's just I understand now. It's

like it's I think of them as the same people,

you know, it's like Let me put it to you this

way think of it as time travel, okay Think of

it as back to the future time travel where in

1985 you have Optimus Prime In 1955, you have

Orion Pax, who has not yet become Optimus Prime,

and think of it as two different personalities.

So when he, when he, when the, when the Wizard

of the Matrix left him and he became Orion Pax

again, it was like he went back in time because

he didn't know that they were on a different

planet. He didn't know that He wasn't friends

with Megatron. He didn't even know that Megatron

shortened his name. He's like Megatronus. What

is going on? Blah, blah, blah. So think of it

as time travel. Well, yeah, yeah. I guess I just

have a problem. Just because he has the Matrix,

why would he lose all of his memories? But yeah,

he has all the combined memories of the Primes

with the Matrix. I just overthink it. I just

need to enjoy it and stop thinking too much.

Yeah, you do. Yeah, I'm not giving up on it.

You know trust me. I'm still I still watch every

episode and and My kids love it. I mean we sit

there watch it together So it's kind of a cool

thing to do with your kids and and what I was

saying earlier about the humans being these humans

being the best humans We've had to this point

In in the US based cartoons anyway because that's

really all I pay attention to as a kid and even

now looking back with you know those nostalgic

red rim red rose glasses whatever i like spike

and spark plug from g1 to a lesser extent i like

daniel in parts uh more so the movie versus season

three um beast wars those kids were just meant

to be little Humanoid children. I mean there

there really is nothing to dislike about the

Beast Wars kids animated Sorry was just too annoying

She just was that and she was meant to be that

annoying eight -year -old kid character We're

you know and taking with a grain of salt the

unicorn trilogy and kicker and all that bullshit

I just think that with the story that Prime is

telling and how they are going about making these

kids part of the team versus doing single story

episodes of, hey, it's this week we have to save

Miko, or hey, it's this week we have to save

Jack. I mean, Miko is not... A lot of people

find her annoying as hell. I don't. I find her...

I find she adds a... a comedic relief to the

team. I find that some of her ideas actually

lead the team places. What was that latest episode?

Not the latest one, but a couple episodes ago

here in season two, she asked a question and

that got Jack thinking about something and that

led them to do something. I don't know, I just

think that this is a is the best written robot

version of... and the reason why I say robot

version is because I know my buddy Steve Megatron

loves Beast Wars. I see Transformers in two different

parallels. I see the mechanical car into robot

versions and I see the beast era on a completely

different level. I don't know, I just, I don't

know, whatever. What are you gonna say? Why I

just don't you know with jet with Jack, you know,

he was the one that had to go find The secret

and you know get optimist prime back. Yeah, so

using him I can I could see it, you know there

he was useful but most of the time it's just

like You know ratchet and them are hanging out

the shop and you know, the other guys are going

and actually doing something well with ref originally

Raphael was supposed to The original plot idea

was that Raphael was supposed to be the one that

got Infected because because Megatron infected

him with dark energy on the whole original plot

was that Unicron was gonna take over Raph's body.

Oh, I changed it They changed it at the last

minute I don't know. I just thought when I when

I saw the backstory of of Unicron and Primus

and the fact that Unicron went off somewhere

instead of becoming his own planet, he became

our planet. I think that there's an inherent

story in that because, you know, sure, Megatron

can conquer the Earth, but if he conquers the

Earth, he's conquering Unicron, but you can't

destroy the Earth because, obviously, you can't

destroy Unicron because he's the Earth's score.

I just find that it's a decent plot line and

it's a good plot line because there's so much

that you can or can't do with it. Yeah, and one

of them actually looked like The blue and white

truck I can't think of his name. I'm drawing

a blank. Oh my goodness Yeah, it's like are they

gonna bring him because he almost looks like

the prime kind of figure Like the the the cartoony

they they might bring him into the series I don't

know if they will or not. I think they just need

to bring in more people to Not keep it so, you

know, it's it seems like they're going to have

so many storylines for each character You know,

we learned about bumblebee and white can't talk

because it's not a Mechanism, it's actually biomechanism

ism and it just regrow one You know, so he's

never gonna have a voice, you know, there's nothing

they can do about it. Yeah, and you know, it's

like You know and like the the repaint, you know

for dead end or they're gonna bring him into

this show, you know I don't know, I think all

the toys that we saw at BotCon this year for

Prime that are not characters in the show are

just them doing their, it's just Hasbro doing

their regular, hey, let's repaint to release

this character, let's repaint to release, I have

no idea where that dead -end design came from.

Yeah, see, I just wondered if they're gonna actually

be on the show, like, you know, they're... It's

possible, I mean, they've said that, the creators

have said that they... Want to bring in as many

characters as they can but the main focus here

also they want to keep the focus on RC and Jack

bumblebee and Raph and and Yeah, you know they

they have to keep at least those three and you

know optimus can you know? It was said somewhere

online that when optimus is not on an episode

of prime that means he'll be over and rescue

bots I don't know that's kind of silly to me,

but And see, I actually watch rescue bots because

I have a three -year -old. Well, he's gonna be

four here soon. And he was only on the first

episode. He told the bots what to do and how

to help the humans and that was it. Right. And

Bumblebee's never even been on there, but they

have his toy. I've never seen Bumblebee yet.

Yeah. But I have a rescue bot, Bumblebee. Yeah.

It's like, I kind of wondered if they just threw

that in there. Like you were saying Bumblebee

seems to sell and get, you know, three four -year

-olds in the bumblebee early brainwash him that

he's such a great character well i'm sorry i

never got i never like bumblebee he just seemed

kind of pointless oh boy i know i just was more

into like the mirages and the guys that actually

had cool stuff going on Yeah, and I can kind

of see that you know I think at least for me

where I got turned off was movie B Because that

was just you know radio B is just so stupid right

I don't I don't I don't mind the beeping because

again it offers up Exposition you know it offers

up something for RAF to do with exposition and

explaining what bumblebee is doing and at this

point You know middle of see you know almost

the middle of season two. I can almost understand

stuff that that bumblebee is saying as far as

like his mannerisms is like uh... the episode

where he lost his sir his teacup got removed

i mean you know when he's got his fists up he's

going after star scream and even even without

his weapons bumblebee kick star screams ass and

you gotta give him credit for being able to convey

emotion through the beeping Cuz you knew he was

just like mother You know, he was yeah, he was

ready to go off and I gotta give him credit for

doing that. I mean being able to You know display

emotion without actually saying anything Yeah,

it's actually that came across and at least for

me it did I mean you can understand how he was

feeling, you know Yeah, and even star screaming

even though he can still talk and stuff. He's

kind of I know Kevin's gonna kill me but yeah

He he's just kind of I don't know He's kind of

wishy -washy. Yeah, I wouldn't trust him further

than I could throw him true This is the first

series. I Don't know if it's the way Steve Bloom

voices the character Or if it's the character

in general, but Transformers Prime is the first

series that I've absolutely loved everything

that Starscream does and the way he said I think

it's because it was the way Steve Bloom voices

in. Or it's the boots. Yeah, exactly. No, he

does do them, you know, just you can tell He

says one thing like to the Autobots trying to

get him to you know, help him out of the situation

But he soon as they turn around he's gonna start

firing on him, you know, he'll use every missile

he has. Oh, yeah Yeah, he will We're just talking

about your favorite character there Kevin Kevin

He's back supposedly I can still barely make

you guys out. Ah Well, I guess we'll have to

time. Can you hear me? yes we can hear you oh

he's typing yeah because my internet's crappy

right now because of this weather now i have

to do all this editing damn it sorry So yeah.

Okay, so where were we? I don't know. Oh, talking

to... We were in a perfectly good conversation.

Oh, I was talking about Starscream. Yeah, the

characterization of him. It was the first time

you've actually really liked the character of

Starscream. I hated movie verse Starscream. I

hated it. Yeah, that was... He killed Jas, but...

I liked animated Starscream to a point, but...

I just, I think at the point when animated came

out, I've never really liked Starscream. I liked

him in G1 for the most part, but I don't know,

even back then as a kid, he wasn't a character

that I gravitated towards. Me either. I liked

Skywarp more, I liked Thundercracker. Thundercracker

was the man, yeah. Yeah. You know, so I just...

You know, Prime is the first time that I've actually

absolutely loved what was done with Starscream.

I think it's because of what Steve Blum does

with the voice. And the thing with him not having

his... I think that's an interesting plot for

him. Him not having his t -cog. And then, you

know, him having to sneak around everywhere.

Now that's a biome mechanism, right? They can't

make him... They can't just give him a new one.

Right not as far as I know so they can he could

just go find a spare one somewhere or get one

made I don't know well the last couple episodes

and for anyone who hasn't seen Transformers Prime

season 2 at this point you might want to fast

-forward this The last couple episodes. I don't

think it was flying mind. I think it was the

episode before flying mind I forget what the

name of it is off top my head the episode before

last week's He started cloning himself and yeah,

you can transform exactly. That's what I was

wondering, right? So what I'm thinking is if

he clones himself rips out that t -cog and puts

it in himself Will he then be able to transform

again? So I don't know see I was wondering if

it was kind of like, you know, like with bumblebee's

voice, you know, is it It's only made for one

thing. You can't take a voice box out of something

else and put it in his and it would work it's

right bio engineered just for that one being

right right but if you cloned bumblebee and then

took the clones voice box out right as you clone

i don't know i don't even know if that would

work because Yeah. Essentially what they would

end up doing, now that they've created this clone

technology in Transformers Prime, the way I look

at it is, if Starscream had only cloned one of

himself, it was said that the clones are essentially

an extension of him. So if the clone is an extension

of him, or if the clone retains all his memories

and all his personality and characteristics,

why not just create the clone Have the clone

kill the original and then just keep going if

if if he has this all the same memories and everything

else I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, I switch mean

like you like he what movie was that when I?

Can't remember what movie that was there was

actually a movie like that But you know you lose

a body and you just transfer download yourself

into a new body Yeah, but like like you were

saying He had all these clones right and Is there

like a limit to what can happen like how far

they can clone? I mean how many of them he could

have his own army if you wanted to like he tried

I Mean he could do hundreds on hundreds of them

Yeah, that's true But I wonder if there's like

a limit if he starts getting like derpy ones

at the end cuz it you know The DNA is you're

running out cuz he's running out of whatever

he used, you know to power them. He used part

of himself. I'm not sure. When it gets to cloning

and DNA and all that, it's very convoluted. Well,

yeah. I mean, they did it fine, but I was just,

you know, like you said, why couldn't he just,

you know, let him be gone and he can... There'd

be a new Starscream. You know, let him fight

it out in the winter. That's the new Starscream

and he can transform again. Yep. Don't know it's

all very very convoluted. So I think see what

happens. Yeah. Yeah, we will have to see what

happens I think we're gonna end this week's episode

Seeing is how Paul had to go do whatever and

Kevin's your stop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Kevin's

in the middle of Armageddon over there in Philadelphia

And normally I am cuz I mean, you know, yeah

or Kansas. Yeah, and it's quiet and nice and

no problem at all It was like 94 degrees out

today. Oh god, I hate the heat. Oh me too. So

yeah, I think that's gonna do it for this week.

We will catch you next week.