Beyond The Knight

Speed Demons, Goliath Returns, and A Good Knight’s Work Review

December 26, 2012 39:23 EXPLICIT
Beyond The Knight Speed Demons, Goliath Returns, and A Good Knight’s Work Review
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About this Episode

The hosts break down three episodes from the second season of Knight Rider, discussing the dirt bike racing plot of 'Speed Demons,' the return of nemesis Garth Knight in the two-hour special 'Goliath Returns,' and the continuity issues found in 'A Good Knight's Work.' They debate the execution of the villains, the effectiveness of the show's action stunts, and whether specific plot points—like the introduction of Cameron Zachary—fit within the established lore.

Night Rider, a shadowy flight into the dangerous

world of a man who does not exist. powerless

in the world of criminals who operate above the

law. audible .com I am one of your host you and

Mike and joining me is day on the music man hello

sir what is going on oh not much today we actually

get to some good episodes yes we do hooray today

we're gonna be going beyond the night reviewing

three more episodes of Knight Rider classic season

two hit the turbo boost kit. Bringing up the

rear are Mcnamer, Hart, and a big black car.

First you write the foundation that somebody

murdered Danny Now you try and knock him out

of the race yourself. Meet the eighth wonder

of the world. Lee, what do you think caused the

accident? A clown by the name of Kelly Travis,

who was busy hot -diving his way up the mountain.

I'm gonna have to teach you some manners. Kid,

we're slipping! First up today is... Speed Demons.

Michael and Kit are put on alert when an anonymous

letter warns that a killer may strike in a foundation

sponsored motorcycle race. Really? Yeah. Again?

Oh yeah, this reminds me of the fuel race from

season one, the alternative energy race. But

no, this is dirt bikes. This time and I Don't

know The plot had way too much going on. You

know, you've got like three or four different

red herrings in this and it's just It just ends

up being I don't know any thoughts on the plot

not really I mean I wrote a lot of things for

scanners off because I the plot You can sit and

you can watch this episode, but you already are

going to put this in like your 10 top worst episodes.

If you have any, I mean, I enjoyed it overall.

It's not. I mean, it's not a horrible episode,

but it's not a horrible episode. But you're like,

OK, huh? What? When? Where? Why? And how? Yeah.

So it's it just really kind of depends on what

part of the plot you really want to come in on.

And is this your favorite episode? Yeah, that's

very true. So let's turn these scanners on. I

love all the racing quips that Kit has. I thought

that was hilarious. That was neat. Yeah. I also

love that this is the episode that we finally

have the high traction drop down. And my final

scanners on note was Devin at the end. That was

kind of funny. Poor Devin. Yeah, poor Devin,

what'd you like about this one um Michael helping

Up you know one of the motor so I can't remember

his name Kelly up the mountain Yeah, because

Kelly, you know thinks that he killed his best

friend and yeah, he lost his nerve and he lost

his nerve And even though Kelly had to forfeit

the trophy. That was kind of an interesting Moment

there actually I also liked the scene where Kelly

confronts his sister Yeah, that was a good scene

as well and the other note that I had was The

other note that I had was it's about damn time

that somebody put a sister in their place When

you know when you're trying to you know What

was it I wrote then it's about time it's it's

about time somebody puts a sister in their place

when you're trying to screw with an investigation

Because of the you know, Michael asking why'd

you do it Sabrina and you know It leads up to

that scene of Kelly confronting Sabrina But you

know, I just like that whole thing of it coming

together as one big scene. So I like those three

things. So let's let's turn these scanners off.

I only wrote down one thing. I know you're going

to have a bunch of things you didn't like. That

depends. In general, in general, this episode

is very generic. Oh, the sponsorship guy who

didn't want to lose his money did it. I don't

know. What didn't you like about this one? The

same thing, the sponsor guy. And then. The other

I really had was, you know, Sabrina trying to

explain herself to Michael about, oh, I wanted

you to find the murder victim or, you know, the

killer, but you hadn't. It's almost like she's

saying, well, you don't care about whether my

brother lives or dies. And it's like, no, that's

not it at all. So those were my only two things.

It kind of reminds me you know the first on the

first note it kind of reminds me about the Give

me liberty or give me death episode that we covered

in season one. Yeah, where it was the the cable

guy Yeah, so that kind of reminds me of that

at this one this particular note kind of reminded

me of that Yeah, exactly, I mean overall this

episode is fairly good with the the action and

the stunts and stuff like that, but the overall

plot just kind of falls short. It really, for

something that was supposed to have heart and

something that was supposed to have, you know,

caring for, you know, a certain like this sport,

you know, it's kind of like, you know, whatever,

whatever, you know, thing you want to go out

and do and create, you know, was supposed to

be, oh, this sport is like the most important

thing in our lives, et cetera, et cetera, et

cetera. But it just doesn't. It just doesn't

come off that way. It just... And by the end,

again... Fuck you with the cliched villains.

You too? What the hell is wrong with these writers?

These cliched villains. Jesus Christ. So, we're

gonna move on. I must speak with you immediately,

alone. Two excuses, please. Garth Knight has

escaped from prison. Escaped? Yes. How? So far

the only detail we have is that a massive truck

broke through the prison walls. It's Goliath.

I'm afraid so. But how? Up next is the return

of Goliath. Seeking revenge against Michael,

old nemesis Garth Knight, also played by Asilov,

kidnaps Devon A. and April and a scientist to

force a showdown between Kit and his new and

improved Goliath. This should have been the season

two ending or I'm yeah to end season two Yeah,

I can see that it probably should have been Sear

the only problem is with that as we had discussed

that earlier didn't we? Right, right, but the

only problem with putting I'm just kind of looking

here see Goliath returns Yeah, I guess you could

switch Goliath returns and big iron the only

problem is that there is more see the only thing

is you would have to No, you couldn't you couldn't

switch them because if you if you look at the

episodes from Goliath returns to a good night's

work a mouth of the snake Well and let it be

me those four episodes are, you know, fairly,

you know, kind of connected overall continuity

wise. A sure mouth of a snake is just kind of

like introducing a, you know, a MacGyver type,

you know, six million dollar man type character

into Knight Rider, but... The reason why I don't

think Goliath Returns could be the season finale

is because of Let It Be Me. If you switched Let

It Be Me and Big Iron, I would be perfectly fine

with that. Because the whole point of Goliath

Returns is that you finally have an ending to

the Garth Knight Goliath story. And I don't think

that could have gone up against. I don't think

that could have gone back to back with like,

you know, say it was the season finale. So you

go from Goliath returns to season three's Night

of the Drones. I don't think that would have

been a nice transition at all. I don't know,

I guess looking at it from like you going from

Big Iron to Night of the Drones, it's kind of

like. I don't know. I guess I kind of had a little

bit of a trouble transitioning to that. You know,

from ending the Garth Knight story. Yeah. To

Night of the Drones where Kit has to be rebuilt

for the first time. No, I'm sorry. Have to be

rebuilt. Yes, he did. No, he didn't. Night of

the Drones is where They use robot and drone

cars to round up criminals to rob a Federal Reserve

Bank Kid the the the next time you're thinking

a junkyard dog with the acid. Oh, yeah Yeah,

no, no, no night of the drones is when Bonnie

first comes back because she comes back in season

three and all that and we're kind of getting

off topic of Goliath returns, but the point is

I think if you switch, let it be me and Big Iron,

I wouldn't mind let it be me being the season

finale, but I don't think with what follows after

where Goliath Returns is in its airing and in

its production, I don't think it would have fit

as a - Kind of a closer. Yeah. I just don't think

and it kind of goes back to the whole thing of

oh well Knight Rider has just generic season

finales like in Big Iron and it has really good

season openers like in Night of the Drones So

all right Well, we kind of went off topic on

that whole crap. Let's go ahead and get to the

scanners. Yay Is it me, you love, or freedom?

Only a fool would answer that question. You have

exquisite tastes, Adrian. How much is this costing

me? I broke you out of prison. Don't talk to

me about dollars and cents. Goliath broke me

out of prison. And I rebuilt Goliath. resurrected

him from a burnt -out shell in the desert. Just

as I directed this project from the beginning.

Never forget that. All right, let's turn these

scanners on for Goliath returns. Adrian kind

of reminds me of Tanya in this episode. You too?

Yeah. A little bit. And of course Garth just

wants revenge. I do love how resourceful Devon,

April, and Klaus are in the jail cell, though.

I thought that was great. That was neat. Yeah.

Overall, I mean, this episode is so enjoyable.

You know, there are so many good moments about

it. You know, I love how they essentially try

to pull a switch with Garth and Michael, with

trapping Garth in the semi. Yeah, that didn't

work. Well, it didn't work, of course, but it

worked for a while. Thought it was kind of cool

how they did that. Yeah What about you would

you like about this one once the one thing that

I actually Liked was the fact that they you know,

you see Garth and Michael hammering out their

differences again I also liked the scene where

You hear Adrian's voice through Michael's comm

link. Oh, yeah, when kids kids audio editing.

Yeah, audio editing. That was neat. Guards open

the door. I'm taking like a lot of hair. And

Michael's kind of standing back, just waiting.

And then the doors open and then you just see

David just spring out of the, you know, just

spring out the prison. And then he logs the guards

inside. Yeah, that was great. uh... and that

goes back to uh... well it kind of goes back

to a earlier scene where kids said what were

were michael said the kid uh... start recording

everything yeah so uh... uh... which is very

very awesome uh... again uh... i see where i

see the two plots of where Garth wants revenge

and wants to kill Michael and I also see that,

you know, Adrian's got you know, just wants to

jump his bones But the whole thing with Klaus

I didn't really like They were smuggling him

in a submarine out of the country for what exactly?

Well, he was supposed to be this Scientist, you

know Klaus Bergstrom was supposed to be the scientist

and they basically were trying to sell him to

the highest bidder Okay, and you know as you

know in the you remember when Devin says what

are you going to do sell them off to the highest

bidder and Adrian says close except the bidding

is over now. It's just a matter of time to deliver

to to deliver to goods So yeah, you know that

was that whole that whole thing there That's

kind of generic I mean, that's kind of a I mean,

the main thing here is that wasn't it, though?

Wasn't that kind of an 80s generic type thing?

Yeah, well, it's yeah. But the thing is, like,

if you look at this two parter, if you look at

this two hour episode. The main plots here are,

like I said, Adrian's, you know, wanting of Michael

Knight and and Garth so wanting to destroy him

and Devon and April and all that stuff and everything

else. I mean, and it's just, you know, the whole

selling of a scientist is like a background kind

of, yeah. Yeah. But at least for one, I will

say this, they didn't stay on that plot very

long. About the scientist, about selling a scientist,

I'll say that it was more geared towards. The

Michael Knight, Garth Knight. The life and kit

type thing so I have to say that that at least

they didn't stray away from that plot And the

other thing I liked was what are we going to

do now pray April fixed you You remember the

scene I'm talking about DFG when um, you know,

they they They're flying through the air and

you know my oh the parachute Yeah, the parachute

scene where they're flying through the air and

you know, what are we going to do pray April

fixed you That's kind of like the same line from

Goliath where he's like, where are we going out

of the desert? It's kind of reversed in a way

At least we know we're on the right track. How

far away is he? 2 .3 miles and closing fast.

Speed? 120 and accelerating. Michael, surely

you're not thinking of confrontation. I'd rather

avoid one, but he's standing between us and Devon

and April. All right, scan for the weak spots.

Michael, they've been repaired. Goliath is invulnerable.

So let's turn these scanners off. Really can't

say anything negative about this one. There's

not any negative points about this one No, I'm

glad that they didn't I'm glad that they made

it more of a love triangle episode versus bringing

Elizabeth back Because she was only needed for

one plot not this And again, this is the the

final time we see Adrian Which I could almost

I don't know. Like we said in the plot of this

episode when we got off topic about talking about

the season finale, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera,

if they had gotten rid of Big Iron and put another

episode in there where Adrienne came back a third

time maybe and did something or I don't know.

But this is the final time that we see her. Don't

really have anything I don't like about this

one. I don't have any negative points about it

Like, you know, this is the last time we see

and Yeah in this I was hoping that You know,

they would have done something else with her

in season two, but I can see that, you know,

I Can see in a sense where they would you know,

kind of let let Let this be right now and kind

of end it with the Garth Knight, you know, Garth

Knight, Michael Knight scenario and just say,

you know what? We're not going to do anything

else with this right now. Like I said before,

I had read somewhere that David had said, I don't

want to do this anymore because, you know, playing

two parts is very difficult. You know, I got

to do the parts for Michael Knight and then I

got to come in and do the parts for Garth. Yeah,

it was it was too stressful on him playing both

roles So that that's pretty much it for me You're

real good, but you don't fool me, you know killer

They didn't kill me before I won't do it now

we must have that car get your kid that person

make me out front Take it down turn it off the

active I'm in the store room and there's no way

out. You appear to be cornered. I guess this

is goodbye, Mark. And finally up today, we have

a good night's work. Michael is pursued by an

international criminal who knows Michael's former

identity and wants revenge. A woman who claims

her talking teddy bear toy design has been stolen,

wants Michael to break in and recover it. Is

in cahoots. Oh... Hello, Tanya Walker! I have

such continuity issues with this episode. We'll

get there. Um, the overall plot of this outside

of Cameron wanting revenge, uh, just, oh God,

it just sucks. I'm with Kit. Let's eject that

damn bear already. Hey, no fair. There, I have

a lot of continuity problems with this one. Yeah,

so let's go ahead and get to the scanners Alright,

let's turn these scanners on This might be depressing

for me to point out as a good point, but Michael

at the time of his death Michael long at the

time of his death. Yes was 33 Because if you

take 82 49 he was 33 so by 84 he's 34 85 he's

35 86 he's 36 so by the time Knight Rider ends

he would just be in his mid to late 30s which

is good i mean i like that i like that he's not

they don't age him right well they age him but

they don't age him as much like okay Going back

to and we kind of have to go back tonight It's

not not really in general because of what this

episode is going back to night of the Phoenix

if you look at Mr. Other actor who sounds but

doesn't look like David has yes. Yes. He that

kid looks like he's in his 20s He does, you know,

I don't think I could have seen Michael Michael

Knight is kind of like James Bond. He should

be somewhere in his early mid to late 30s to

mid 40s. Kind of early 40s or no? Well, I would

say from 33 to 45. Yeah, 33 to 45, somewhere

in there. And that's where he falls, according

to the continuity of the show. So I absolutely

love that. I do too. Kind of gives me question

of some of these young chicks. He's been flirting

around with though Some of these girls in this

series don't look like they're you know, I Don't

know some of them anyway But that's all I had

for scanners on did you like anything about this

one? Scanner I do kind of like the fact that

kit kind of makes a star out of himself and remotely

activates toys but you know I mean that that's

just kind of a comedic moment for me other than

that I mean not too much for scanners on I think

I'm sure we'll have some stuff for scanners off

oh yeah so let's turn these scanners off this

episode is wrapped around a toy story really

okay hold the phone Cameron Zachary was never

mentioned in Night of the Phoenix. In Night of

the Phoenix, it was made to be believed that

Tonya Walker was the brains behind everything.

In this episode, they essentially say that he

was the one that had all the dealings and schemes

going on and microchips being stolen, et cetera,

et cetera, et cetera, and that Tonya was his

girlfriend, lover, whatever, but he was never

mentioned. originally at all and I just I just

can't stand how we never saw him in Night of

the Phoenix. I never saw him. Exactly. That's

what I'm saying. It's like there was like by

the end of the the pilot two parter or the pilot

two hour, you know, the two hour pilot of Night

Rider. Right. It was believed that that was it.

Tanya got shot. She was the brains behind everything.

There was never any mention of Cameron Zachary

at all, and then Devon is like, oh, Cameron Zachary,

he was Tanya Walker. He was Tanya's lover. That's

not the only thing or anything else. I just,

I can't. I can't see that. No, I just can't get

behind that. And the fact that it comes down

to a sword fight. Really? Come on. Oh, God. Between

Gina and Mighty Mouth, they're getting on my

last damn nerve. I think Mighty Mouth was the

worst out of the two. Yeah. Turbo boosting into

a fourth -floor apartment, not such a great idea

in the afterthoughts. No. Yeah, one of my notes

that I wrote down was, okay, this was a bright

idea. Did anyone have a lift? That's funny. I

don't know. What didn't you like about this one?

Um, the fact that, you know, the fact that once

again, well, okay, the fact that Michael has

to talk Gina out of shooting him. Yeah. I didn't

like that. And the fact that Kit is told to shut

down. Knowing damn well that Cameron if he got

the car Cameron wouldn't have been able to activate

the car anyway Because it was programmed to respond

to Michael I don't like that because and the

reason why I don't like that is because Remember

in that scene where? April gives him a device

to wear around his neck You know if you get separated

from kit for any reason press it It will bring

kit to wherever you are and override his shutdown.

Okay, that's fine and dandy But like I said it

goes back to Cameron Zachary if Cameron were

to get kit He could not make Kit do what he wanted

because kit was programmed to respond to Michael

Unless they somehow overrode the programming

and then again there would be another soul survivor

plot No, I I I understand in our respect why

you don't like it, but that's exactly why I like

it is because April specifically says Only you

can You know pressing this will bring kit directly

to you, right? You know, even if the bad guys

had gotten a hold of that thing around his neck

It would still go directly to Michael. I don't

think that they would have been able to reprogram

Kid somebody would have to know computers in

that show or whatever Exactly. I don't think

I don't think that's where this one was going.

This one was really going in the fact of They

didn't want I mean course they wanted kit but

they didn't really it wasn't like soul survivor

where they directly went after kit it was more

so cameron wanted revenge and michael right killing

yet and michael even said back in night of the

phoenix tanya don't he warned her yeah not the

fucking window so how her death is his responsibility

is beyond me cuz he told her not to do it because

he you remember he says no tanya don't and you

see someone else say the windows are and just

after that She shoots she shoots the cars Yeah,

and the bullet bounces back, you know in the

show we see the bullet bouncing back off the

car and hitting her Yeah, exactly. So, you know,

she was warned You're right. I agree with what

you're saying So it kind of you know helps me

kind of get a little bit of a perspective on

what you're saying I guess my thing was when

I saw that scene of okay if Cameron did get kit

How you know? Even though he's programmed to

respond. Yeah, exactly. The thing was, though,

Michael had a plan the entire time, because once

they got captured, it was after the fact of April

giving him the necklace. So he knew, Michael

knew, that... That's why he kept telling kit.

It's gonna be alright. I've got a plan etc etc

etc Hence why he went ahead and shut him down

and you know, that's kind of what I like about

it I see why you kind of don't like it because

it could make for other really weird stuff going

on I think that was why it was because some of

the plot did not make sense And I think that's

why I didn't like it was because okay, you have

one part and that's good You got this plot here

that makes perfect sense, but then you got this

other part of the plot that says Whoa, why are

we way out in left field here? Yeah, yeah. Anything

else you didn't like about the episode? Did you

really have to center it around toys? Oh, yes.

Lasers. We need lasers to make a handgun. Or

I'm sorry, not lasers, crystals. Yeah, we need

crystals to make a laser handgun. We need crystals

to make a handgun not to mention the fact that

and my third note was Gina did you know you were

going to get betrayed by Cameron at any time

soon? Yeah, I I don't know Alright, so let's

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All right, let's go ahead and rank these ones.

Speed Demons for me, I give it a two. It was

all right. I kinda liked it, but it was just,

I don't know, it was just a generic one. um goliath

gets a five goliath returns gets a five um what

about you on speed demons speed demons gets a

one um goliath returns gets a five all right

and uh good night's work what do you give it

i have to give it a two i'm sorry i have to give

it a two just because Again, it's like a two

-plot story. It's not even the fact that it's

a two -plot story. It's one whole plot because

Gina is actually working for Zachary. Yeah, but

you don't need to center part of it around toys

and then part of it around getting revenge against

Michael Might. I'm sorry. It's a three -plot

if you think about it. One, the toy thing. Two,

the revenge thing. And then three, you're going

to get crystals for a laser handgun. Yeah. No.

I'm going to give it a one because of the fact

that it essentially nearly ruins some of the

KR continuity. I would have to maybe reduce mine

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three episodes from Knight Rider Classic Season

2, those being... Mouth of the snake, let it

be me, and big iron. For now, I am TFG1 Mike

with... Beyond the Music Man, 08. Kit, close

the show. And he won't be late, Christina. I'll

see to it. Thanks, Kit. Come on, Kit. You're

making me look bad. What do you know about restaurants,

anyway? You'd be surprised. I sure hope that's

the last we see of Garth and Delias. So do I,

Michael. What's that? I recorded it as a souvenir.

Oh! That's very funny. Yes, that's very funny.

As a matter of fact, I think I have a little

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