Top 100 – VILLAINS – Part 2 – 75-51

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in you. Hello and welcome to another special

episode of the Geek Cast Radio Network where

we continue to reveal the top 100 fictional villains

of all time. If you missed it, we already put

one episode out, so go back and listen to that

where we reveal the numbers 100 through number

76. Today, we reveal number 75 through 51. I

am one of your hosts, Optimus Solo, and joining

me today, as he was last week... Steve Megatron

Phillips, hello. Hello. Movie Revolt Dan, hello.

Hello. Our resident Top 100 guest, DJ Valentine.

In the immortal words of one of my other favorite

villains, I don't know you, but you, I never

forget the face. Mr. Chekov, isn't it? All right,

and DJ's brought backup this time. I went with

the guy with the big gun. I got a big gun in

here. The biggest gun. Mr. Matthew Stewart, hello.

Yeah, in the immortal words of my favorite villain,

you're fired. I know he already made the list,

but he's Vincent Kennedy. Man, that's America

right there. And we will make America great again.

So we're one stronger this time. So even more

opinions and even more knowledge about all of

these villains that we're about to reveal. We've

had a little bit of time now to reflect on the

first episode, the first 25 that were revealed.

People have been commenting on the website. I

think it was, I don't know, close to 30 comments

last time I checked. I haven't checked in the

last couple hours, so maybe there's more. And

you guys have had a chance to kind of dissect

this a little bit in your minds or join in on

some of the commenting. I was wondering, just

real quick before we start, any revelations over

the course of the last week since we've recorded,

Dan, that has you interested for what's coming

today? I think the biggest thing as far as the

fact that we have not gotten any comic book villains

is still the one that surprises me the most.

I don't know if that means it's going to be really

top -heavy with those, but considering just the

vast number of characters that comics have, I'm

curious to see if we have any this round. Yeah,

and typically, you know, we've done five or six

of these lists and we've had different biases

show up. We kind of mentioned that a little bit

on last week's episode. We've had certain lists

that were very 1990s heavy. We've had certain

things that get dominated by comic book characters

or properties and things like that. And we've

had, you know, some other biases show up. But

so far, those two biases are definitely not present.

Thus far, because we've had zero comic book characters

and we only had three characters that originated

in the 1990s last week. Steve, we've had so far

nine film villains. So film is reigning supreme

right now. Five that originated in novels, some

of those more famous for their film versions.

Four television villains, two cartoon, two from

plays, one from a poem, one from folklore, and

one from a video game. So Steve, what do you

make of that? It's anyone's game. as far as this

tournament. Yeah, it is shocking that we have

not had a little bit more maybe from, like Dan

said, comic books. We've only had one character

that appeared in a horror film with Chucky from

Child's Play, so that's another one that we thought

would be a frontrunner. Only one horror film

character, zero comic book characters. DJ, what's

in store for today? I think we're going to get

the rush. I think the rush is coming. Don't worry,

guys. Don't worry, comic book nerds. It's coming.

It's coming. We gave it a little shine to Shakespeare

and, you know, the rest of those guys. But now

here we come. Here we go. I think it's going

to be a lot of horror guys and a lot of comedy.

I stay true to that statement. Another thing

that I think was probably unique to last week's

episode, it probably is the most diverse section

of 25 spots in the top 100 countdown as far as

origin year. Because we were all over the place.

decades and decades and decades of different

characters so that was something that was definitely

unique matt you weren't able to be on the record

and comment uh as we revealed them but you've

seen the the list of the first 25 that were revealed

is there a big surprise as far as a character

that made the list that you wouldn't have expected

or somebody that you feel should have been much

higher that's already been revealed um looking

at the list it seems like it always seems like

um between like 175 you're gonna get those fringe

villains like kind of like almost like cult hero

uh no pun intended they're not really heroes

but cult villain -esque um characters like seeing

seeing people like um you know i think we'll

get some horror movie villains i mean seeing

chucky up there that's for good measure no he

is like a real villain uh if i'm gonna talk about

his horror movies in general but Good mix of

everything. Like I kind of said before, Vince

McMahon made it up there. That was a nice surprise

up there. He is probably one of the best soap

opera villains I could probably think of. But

overall, it's a cool mixed bag of seeing from

100 to 75. But looking at the list, I see all

these villains kind of fit that kind of fringy

element. So the only thing I would maybe say

up there is... Maybe Starscream, just for the

nostalgia purpose of Transformers and things

like that, maybe a little bit higher, just being

a cartoon villain. But other than that, I mean,

it's a pretty nice mixed bag that I'm really

looking at and liking right now so far. But we'll

definitely get the rush. We'll get the horror.

We'll get plenty of comic book villains, if not

here, but very, very soon. Because comic book

villains just kind of fit that villain mold.

And we'll be getting a ton of those coming up

soon. Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head

there that this is the fringe 25, usually, as

far as what we've seen over the course of all

the different countdowns we've done. As we get

into the 75 through 51, that's where it's kind

of a mixture. It's a mixture of people that were

just on a ton of lists or still a few of those

fringe ones kind of finding their way in. But

definitely a mixed bag. We'll have to wait and

see if there's some themes or some more commonalities

that start to creep up as we get into these future

episodes. But definitely diverse and mixed bag

for that first episode. So let's get right into

the countdown for today with our number 75 pick.

I'm interested to hear your guys' take. One thing

that we ended last week's countdown with that

section of 25, we had like four or five out of

the last like six or seven characters that predated

1900. And we're starting with another one today.

So let's go back to right around the 1600s, 1599,

somewhere in that range for a character that

originated. In a Shakespeare play. So Shakespeare

being very well represented so far. And we're

going to Claudius at number 75. So he appeared

on 24 % of the list. Actually appeared in a top

10 from the group list submitted by Simplistic

Reviews. So we're going to start with both of

you guys. DJ, what do you think of Claudius being

here at number 75? The guy is a piece of shit.

To say the least. To say the least. You gotta

understand what this guy did. I think incest

is back in style thanks to Game of Thrones, but

this guy's like, doesn't he kill his brother

-in -law to bang his sister? No, he kills his

brother to marry his sister -in -law. He does

a whole bunch of creepy shit. The old Claudius

way. Yeah, the old Claudius way. So when he kind

of gets his – he's one of those villains that

when he gets his comeuppance, you're kind of

like, yes, good, because you hate him so much.

And in that play for him to like even share a

screen – he's all over the place. Hamlet's all

over – like he's such a huge character. For Claudius

to even hang with him is for the deplorable shit

he did. I mean, when a ghost tells you, look,

this dude killed me. He put fucking poison in

my ear. Get him. So, yeah, Claudius, I think,

is deserving to be on this list. He's a mean

man. How about you, Matt? What do you think of

Claudius? Yeah, I mean, he's one of the kind

of villains that stands up in, I guess, Shakespeare's

rogue gallery that he's created over the course

of centuries. But yeah, I mean, I'll echo everything

that DJ says. I mean, when you have ghosts coming

back from the dead saying, you got to fuck this

guy up, it goes to show. how bad of a villain

he was. But yeah, the whole kind of pseudo -incestual

thing going on with, you know, Hamlet's wife

and the giant conspiracy that he kind of creates.

And in turn, you know, he also gets two other,

you know, stupid idiots killed too. But I mean,

that was kind of their own undoing too. But he's

got a lot of blood on his hands. And in terms

of does anybody in Shakespeare poems, he's definitely

the one with the bloodiest history. Gets his

comeuppance at the end in a very excellent way.

I prefer seeing it in the Mel Gibson before he

was racist movie. But yeah, I think it's a good

pick. It's a solid villain. I'm sure a lot of

other villains over the course of time have been

copied by Claudius' way of getting things done.

So if anything, it's a nice historic ode to –

I like seeing Shakespeare kind of represented

on here because I think people forget about all

the villains that he kind of created throughout

his career. So it's good seeing Claudius. If

anything, Claudius is the best villain he created

in all of his work. So I'm with it on that. We

had Iago in last week's episode and Claudius

in this week's episode. Shakespeare finding a

way to get into the countdown multiple times.

Another thing that came up kind of interestingly

last week was we would have these like classic

literary or villains of that nature. Back to

back was something that was really pop culture.

Last week we had Grendel backed up against Vince

McMahon. And Iago backed up against Starscream.

So let's do that again. Number 74. How about

another video game villain? The second video

game villain coming in. We had Sephiroth last

week. Let's go to maybe one of the most iconic

video game villains of all time with Bowser.

At number 74, Bowser, King Koopa, whatever name

you want to go with. It is a legend no one will

forget. Everyone thought King Koopa had left

the Mushroom Kingdom, and then his doom ship

attacked. King Koopa was back with the greatest

danger ever known, his Koopa Kids. Using their

new superpowers, the Super Mario Brothers rescued

Princess Toadstool and beat back the evil Koopa

family. He made it on 48 % of the list, almost

half of the list. Little trivia here, guys. There's

only going to be one other character today that

is on as many lists as Bowser is. So the second

pick, and he is on a ton of lists. A lot of people

had him closer to the very beginning of the countdown.

So I had him at 92. Somebody else had him at

93, 89, 82, 87, 96. So a lot of people listed

him, but not very high. The highest, we did have

one person that was all the way up at 24, but

that's about as high as he got. So Steve, what

do you think? Hauser coming in here at number

74? I'm kind of not surprised because he's kind

of one of the more iconic video game characters

and animated series characters in the sense of

just Mario in general. But I don't know how strong

he is, but as far as a contender with a lot of

the people that are going to show up on this

list and that have shown up on this list, but

I think he's a little too, I think he should

have been in the back half. Yeah, maybe last

week's episode or so. Yeah, last week's episode.

But, yeah, I mean, I guess he deserves a place

in it, but not right here. dan is this something

where you know everybody was looking at the different

sources as far as you know games comics cartoons

etc etc is this something where somebody you

feel like people felt like hey i gotta include

a video game villain and if it's going to be

one it's going to be bowser or how do you think

bowser finds his way into the top 100 honestly

that's kind of why i had him on my list because

i i didn't want to have i had a couple video

game villains but i was i included bowser and

i think it's one that He probably is on here

in large part due to the game that he's a part

of. And, you know, like many kids, he was probably

the first video game villain I really got angry

about for different reasons. But, I mean, he

is, like, you know, he's pretty evil in the sense

that he just keeps kidnapping people. Like, that's

his, like, M .O. He is a serial kidnapper. Serial

turtle kidnapper. Yeah. Yeah, so there's that.

He's kind of a dragon and a turtle, so I don't

know what his mom and dad are like. Well, we

already know he's not much different than how

Hollywood's turning out right now. That's true.

He's got a lot. He got a Weinstein tendency to

him. Yes. Yes, he does DJ Matt, what do you think

of Bowser showing up on the countdown? He's always

got another one in another castle. This is the

second Dennis Hopper character to be on the list.

Again, we are bringing up the immortal Mario

Brothers movie. Bowser is one of the first video

game villains I've ever seen, other than Mike

Tyson. So I can understand him being on this

list. I'm surprised it's not higher, but I like

where he is, kind of like at the lower half of

the second. I think he's right where he needs

to be. All right, fair enough. Matt, any other

thoughts on Bowser? Yeah, just for being an iconic

villain. I mean, there's so many better villains

that have come out recently, just in terms of

characterization. But yeah, he's just kind of

like that. character that's memorable and you

remember from being a kid like oh this guy was

like spitting fire at mario i was trying to like

save mushroom princesses and you know everybody

in another castle so just for the iconic presence

of it it makes sense but i'm glad it's not really

much higher than it is i love bowser but he's

right where he needs to be right now. So I think

so too, either here or even maybe a little bit

closer to the 100 mark, but yeah, somebody that

everybody knows, you know, everybody knows who

Bowser was. Everybody's played a game that Bowser

was featured in. It seems like, so it's one of

those that comes in more because of the universal

knowledge and iconography of, of the character,

not necessarily his, his strategic villainous

ways. Even though he does do a lot of things,

he's got, you know, villain kids, he's getting

kid, the kidnapping thing. So there's stuff there

maybe. Yeah. For 73, we're going to have our

first character that originated in a film. And

as we said in the last episode, we have a rule

for film, it seems like. You had to either be

in a film that came out in the 2000s or the 80s.

We said that multiple times, and so far it's

been true. So let's keep that going. This is

from a film from the 2000s, although very recently.

And I guess when I say 2000s, I'm somewhat cheating

since it's been 17 years now, and I'm kind of

including it all in one. How about 2015? for

a film that I think DJ might have a couple things

to say about. Let's go with Immortan Joe from

Mad Max Fury Road. So the 2015 character. DJ,

you had a lot to say when this film came out.

What do you think about this one? Don't be addicted

to water. Immortan Joe is like... an apocalyptic

Darth Vader. And again, speaking of Weinstein

tendencies, this guy, in terms of he's kind of

a symbol for chauvinistic male tendencies toward

women, and he's owning them like slaves, and

he's just one of those... First off, his look

is awesome. The way they designed his look, his

mask, the teeth, and everything. And he's just

a big fat guy with a suit, but the way that suit

looks, he's very intimidating. But just the way,

the voice, everything around this guy, especially

because this is Toe Cutter from the first Mad

Max, the actor anyway. I really, again, Mad Max,

that's not a lot of things I don't like about

that movie. I mean, Nathan Jones is awesome in

that movie. Nathan Jones, folks. So yeah, Morton

Joe is pretty awesome. Only thing I would say.

Which I did like at the time. I did like that

the main villain is fighting the main character,

which is Furiosa. Max really doesn't have a lot

of interaction with Immortan Joe in that movie.

It's essentially Furiosa versus him. And I kind

of wish there was a... I don't want to spoil

the movie. The way his character gets his comeuppance

is so like, whoa! You don't even get like a chance

to relish it. It's just like done. But that was

that'd be the only negative I'd say about him.

But as a character, he's awesome and he's scary

and he's kind of funny. So, yeah, I go Morton

Joe's awesome. Dan, is this a recency bias since

he was just appeared in a film, you know, within

a couple of years ago, 2015, or is a Morton Joe,

you know, deserving of a spot in number 73 here?

I don't know. I feel like we just got done talking

about a character from Shakespeare, and then

it seems like, in comparison, you're like, well,

I don't know. I like, I mean, Memex is a great

film. And I agree with TJ that the look of Immortan

Joe is phenomenal. It's a great character design.

And I don't know, per se, if I'm looking at just

specifically characters. traits that he would

stack up with some of the characters we've already

talked about. I don't think I ranked him in my

list for that reason. I do like him as a character,

but if I'm thinking, you know, he's one that

probably with the popularity of Mad Max, I feel

like that's a movie that's going to stand the

test of time. So he'll probably become more and

more popular. But, I don't know. I think some

of the characters we've talked about minus maybe

Bowser, I would probably rank ahead of him. Yeah.

Interesting to a little bit of a drop. We had

obviously Bowser at 48%. We go down to about

32 % of the list on the Morton Joe. So a few

less lists, but a lot of people had them ranked

kind of in that 30 to 70 range. So kind of in

that right in the middle third, I guess. So Matt,

what do you think on the fence or deserving?

I think he deserves, he's probably one of the

more iconic villains has come around in the past,

probably 10 years or so. The look, the feel,

the kind of more. Yeah, exactly. The touch, the

feel of cotton. The touch, the feel of cotton.

But it's just kind of one of those things where

it maybe makes more, it's more relevant now,

just kind of in the day and age we're living

in that person like this almost exists. And it's

like almost, I don't want to say the president

of the United States, but it's very reminiscent

of something like that. So if anything, I think.

It's just one of those characters that resonates

with people more. And just the look is iconic.

I mean, the face mask, the way, like, he just

breathes and kind of moves around and doesn't

really move around a lot. He drives the car a

lot. But he's got, like, this kind of hair on

the way that he keeps his, like, breathing, like,

brewers and, you know, he's taking breast milk

out of big fat ladies. It's just, like, the whole

total package. I'm just like, this guy is fucking

creepy. And the shit he's doing is, and it's

like his two grown sons are like, hey, dad, there's

just so many things about this character that's

unnerving and creepy. and he's just a dick like

don't drink water because you'll get addicted

says that like what kind of despot says some

crazy shit like that so in my opinion it makes

total sense that he's on this list and yeah i

think he has the most layers of any mad max villain

i mean he's the amalgamation of every villain

that george miller created into this one giant

monster at a certain point. And he meets a very

fitting end, too, which is nice. So it's satisfactory

how the villain gets his comeuppance, too. I

like it. Nice, nice. All right, well, one thing

we weren't sure of what we would see during this

countdown since our last Top 100 was strictly

on animated characters is we didn't know how

many would creep their way into here. And when

we did that list, we mainly had protagonists

or heroes that were showing up, very few villains

that showed up during that Top 100. But we're

going to get one here. Number 72 from a cartoon

that originated in 1989 on 40 % of the list.

Let's go to the World of Simpsons for Montgomery

Burns. I'm afraid that was just my pre -evil.

Sir, the actors are here to audition for the

part of you. Excellent. Excellent. Next. X. L.

N. Next. Exactly. Next. It's very good. Oh, it's

hopeless. I'll have to play myself. So that's

where we're going here. Dan, let's have you start

out. What do you think of the Simpsons finding

a villain to get into this top 100? It's funny

that we have JR last round and how they both

had similar fates in a way, which is kind of

funny. Simpsons, Montgomery Burns, certainly.

You know, he is the trademark of the old evil

rich man who has too much power and just, I don't

know. I ranked a specific South Park villain

a little higher, but Montgomery Burns, he's a

great character. You know. just like just how

old he is and how they depict that is always

really funny and then he does have a pretty interesting

backstory when they they go into it and especially

like his admiration for a specific teddy bear

but no matter like how much you end up trying

to feel bad for him he always does something

especially evil by the end like he just can't

help himself um so i uh and he's a character

that's been around i don't know what 40 years

by now i don't know how long that show has been

on it definitely had some wide representation

like i said 40 percent of the list um not a lot

of people ranked them too high we had two people

i guess in the top 15 but a lot of people uh

69 61 64 67 77 78 so a lot of people had it fairly

close when he you know comes in here at number

72 steve are you surprised to see some more animated

villains showing up oh no i'm not uh i i would

actually be surprised if we didn't see a character

from the simpsons period uh on this list just

because of how iconic it was and is and for the

fact that it's still going. So I definitely see...

Yeah, Montgomery Burns is one of the main villains

of that series, although I think Sideshow Bob

would be better in that he wants to murder Bert

Simpson. Or Bart Simpson, but yeah. So, DJ, did

we get it right here with Montgomery Burns or

is Sideshow Bob or other Simpsons characters

more deserving? I think Sideshow Bob, I agree

with Steve. I think Sideshow Bob might be more,

I guess. He's more murdery. Yeah, he's, I mean,

Montgomery Burns is kind of like if you take

Palpatine and then Scrooge McDuck and then, you

know, throwing a little bit of Gordon Gekko into

one character. He's kind of like laughable. It's

always Sideshow Bob, but Sideshow Bob is literally

Robert De Niro's character from Cape Fear. So

when it comes to who do I fear most, who's more

of a villain to me, I always look at Sideshow

Bob more than Montgomery Burns is essentially

just like a punchline, you know, so. All right,

fair enough. So Montgomery Burns showing up here.

Interesting Simpsons representation. So again.

Pop culture, iconic, you know, very universal

character to something a little bit more classic

here at number 71. I don't have a year for this

one. So if anybody wants to help me out on this

one, feel free. The dawn of man. I didn't do

the research to find out when Medusa actually

originated. So how about a mythological character

in Medusa? Dan, you had Medusa at number 12.

So we'll start with you. What do you think of

this one? Again, it's a character I think I rank

really high just because of how long that she's

been around, from the Remember the Titans movies,

obviously, to her origin. And just that power

of being able to turn people's stone based upon

looking at them, I feel it's like... one that

we've seen replicated over and over again and

if you see medusa i think everyone knows like

that character no matter like who you are um

you know some of the other villains that we talked

about from like beowulf and things of that nature

i think haven't reached that um level of popularity

with just the common um person but for some reason

medusa has maybe it's the fact that like her

hair snakes which are kind of cool um so uh yeah

i i mean Like you, I don't know where her origin

truly lies, but I do know that it was always

a character that kind of freaked me out. And

I always liked how she's been incorporated in

different normal pop culture things, especially

some of the more recent fantasy films. Yeah,

we talked about last week we had the White Witch

and we had Natasha from Boris and Natasha as

the only two female representatives during that

week's episode. We get one here in Medusa. matt

is this one of the most um i guess uh i don't

know best females to have on here if we're gonna

only have because dan said we might you know

have only a dozen or 20 or so that he was expecting

on the list is is medusa kind of cream of the

crop for female villains yeah i mean i guess

the whole thing with like with villains you don't

see a lot of female villains it's kind of an

underrepresented kind of like minority i mean

there's so many male villains but there's just

definitely a lack of female villains like i don't

know i don't know if it's just not being written

for females or something like that or i mean

this goes back to mythological bc time so this

is definitely the kind of prototype for any other

female villain but even like this kind of the

story of medusa is a little slightly tragic even

though she was like a vain you know of sister

and everything like that and she was made this

way because she was like being a total bitch

and zeus was like fuck you you're gonna be a

snake woman so um i mean i do like that but yeah

just the power of being able to turn people into

stone and the iconic look of a snake body and

like snake hair and everything it's just very

unnerving and of course looking back at like

you know clash of the titans and everything and

seeing like the stop motion you know claymation

like the uh harryhausen looking thing it was

like super creepy as a kid so you had everybody

from like the 80s looking at that going wow this

is really creepy right now um but yeah this is

and it's also probably one of the most iconic

characters you know in mythology. If somebody

can name other mythological creatures, they can,

but they always go for Medusa all the time. Just

for the iconography of it as well, too. And it

being a female, too, which is really cool to

see. I hope there's more females on the list

later on. We'll have to see. I'm hoping for Grendel's

mother down the line, because I know we had Grendel

in the last countdown, and I feel like Grendel's

mother was far more evil than Grendel, to be

honest with you. Yeah, I agree. And I think you

hit one thing on the head there with as far as

it just doesn't seem like the parts are written

for female villains, which I think is a missed

opportunity because we had two major female villains

here with the White Witch and Medusa. And I think

they creep me out more than any of the male villains

we've talked about so far. Like those two are

creepy characters that scared the crap out of

me as a kid. Come on, get out of here. Or female

villains. Steve, I mean, do you agree? I mean,

aren't these Medusa and the White Witch and just

witches in general, like, females do a good job

pulling off some of these villain roles. Yeah,

I definitely don't agree with that. Or, I mean,

I agree with that, but at the same time, they

kind of shoehorn them all into the same kind

of mystical power witch type character. True.

Instead of having a lot more of the... variety

that we get with the male characters for the

villains. It kind of is here or there with that,

but it's still nice to see the few that we are

getting so far. DJ, first venture into the world

of mythological characters. Is this just the

tip of the iceberg? Do you expect to see a bunch

more Greek or Roman mythology characters? It's

funny because I didn't even consider Medusa.

I never... I mean, what Matt was saying about

iconography is 100 % true because you say Medusa,

everybody knows what the hell you're talking

about, even if you've read the book or not. I

mean, I got most of my Medusa. storyline into

her layers on a really horrible TV show called

Atlantis, which they essentially gave her more,

explained a little bit more about her life, but

other than before that, it was just, don't look

at her face, you're a stone. That's all I kind

of remembered about her in the horrible Percy

Jackson movie, but when it comes to other ones,

I can only think of maybe two more. But I think

Medusa, even compared to the two I'm thinking

of, is probably more recognizable than those.

I'm happy it's here because I literally forgot

all about her until you mentioned it. All right,

so five characters revealed so far, two of them

predating the 1900s. Let's go to another film

villain here at number 70. And guess what? It's

from the 2000s. We have a film villain from originally

2011, also appeared in a future film as well,

so that's part of a franchise. Let's go to a

villain from the world of The Planet of the Apes

with Coba. On 32 % of the list, I was the highest

ranker of Coba. Maybe that's a little bit of

recency bias with me. I don't know. I had him

in my top 20. But I think a very layered villain

here and something that I wasn't expecting from

this franchise. We'll start with you, Dan. We

haven't talked to you for a second. But what

do you think of Coba showing up in the top 100?

It's funny because we were talking about characters

that, you know, Shakespeare characters. And Coba

very much is modeled off. off of that i think

you certainly see you know he has the tragedy

of of uh the best of shakespeare characters you

know in the first film i really think that you

kind of grow to understand him and you see because

he's not really even a villain in the first movie

he certainly has the look of a character that

you expect to be a villain but considering like

the the mistreatment of him and i think it really

settles you in to have sympathy firm as a character

which makes his turn or his development in the

second film all the more powerful in the relationship

he has with Caesar and in the lengths he's willing

to go. I think the best villains are all the

ones that you can understand their plight or

have justification or at least in a way aren't

villains in their own eyes and I think that's

certainly the case with him. He's also really

a smart character in the way he can kind of manipulate

people and play politics and things like that.

And even in the third film, you see his impact

and the way he has changed Caesar as a character.

So looking at some of my favorite villains in

the 2000s, he ranks near the top, and the performance

by Toby Cavill is a big part of that as well.

Certainly deserving, I think. It's one that I

would probably rank even higher as years go on.

I think he's certainly... should be in this list.

I think, too, Matt, one thing that we were seeing

is, you know, you have those that are just more

universal, iconic, like, images as far as villains

go, and then you have other people that really

ranked high, people that were more complex, people

that you could kind of understand, people that

maybe weren't 100 % of the villain 100 % of the

time. Do you think that helps in a case like

Kobo where people just more respect the character

and the layers there? I think so. I mean, even

looking at the list so far, there haven't even

been that many non -human villains as well, too.

And considering this is like, you know, not a

lot of, no dialogue whatsoever. It's all done

through action and kind of like cause and effect.

And you're seeing how the character was kind

of a very sympathetic character, but you saw

the evil kind of intent in him, especially at

the end of the first Planet of the Apes film.

And as it moves on. You see him kind of like

his rebellious side and him kind of being fed

up with, I know we want to do it one way, but

he's rebelling against it. So, I mean, it's just

a multifaceted kind of performance. And by Toby

Kebbell, you know, just the whole stop motion,

not stop motion, but motion capture. Very effective.

And it's like classic Shakespearean type thing

where one guy tries to take over for the guy

who's in charge. And then, of course, ultimately,

spoiler alert, the guy comes back and defeats

the enemy as well. So but it's a great performance

and it's understated. And, you know, I like where

it is right now. I mean, I wouldn't put it. I

would put it right around this range, maybe a

little bit higher, but I think it's just a great

performance that's understated. Same thing with

Caesar as a hero, so I think it's kind of understated

as well, too. DJ, one thing we couldn't agree

on as far as the people that did rank Kogel was

where he should be because he's going all over

the map, anywhere from 18 all the way up to 82.

So where do you think is the proper placement

for him if you think he's deserving? I think

he's one of the best characters we've seen in...

in a while i think he's to me he might be a little

bit high and the thing that about goba that really

won him over for me is is if you take out this

one part of the movie he's just a stereotypical

you know i'm he's essentially scar from the lion

king but there's that one scene where he's talking

about human work human work human right there

you're like oh okay i'm i i anything he does

here maliciously you get it you you you follow

it if you take that one scene out it's he's just

essentially just a mustache twirling you know

i want to be in charge guy but i think honestly

cobra doesn't want to ever be in charge he wants

caesar to to follow his you know to He wants

to essentially protect Caesar. He wants to be

feral again, basically. He doesn't want Caesar

to be vulnerable. And the fact that Caesar is

being vulnerable, it changes him a little bit.

And just that little facet that they added to

that character makes him really, really good.

I just think it's with the rest of the greatest

villains of all time, he might be a little high

here. But again, it's not any reflection on how

great of a character he is because he is a really

well -fleshed out character. So, yeah. All right.

Number 69, moving right along. We're not going

to have a character today on fewer lists than

this character. He only appeared on 20 % of the

list, which is as low as we go today. Why is

he here then? Because he's in four different

people's top 10. So four different people had

him in the top 10. Let's go somewhere where we've

already been. Let's go back to the world of Shakespeare.

Are you kidding me? This William Shakespeare

guy. He's pretty good. Originating in the year

1592, let's go with Richard III. So Richard III

from Shakespeare, 1952 play. Top ten material

for four different people, all the way up to

number two on one person's list. DJ, the third

Shakespeare character so far, and we are at number

71. Or 69. Excuse me. It's crazy. You guys have

some cultured fans out there. I'm not surprised

that he's on the list. I'm just surprised he

was in the top 10 thing. It's amazing. But I

mean, it's William Shakespeare. You got a character

coming from William Shakespeare. You're kind

of playing with an advantage big time because

you have one of the greatest or the greatest

writer of all time doing the backstory for you.

So Richard III being on this list is, I could

see it, just top ten for, how many people did

you say were in the top ten? Four people. Four

people had him in the top ten. I am surprised.

Number two, a number two rank, a number four,

a number six, and a number seven. You sure you

didn't give this list to like James Lipton or

somebody? Yeah, I mean, the other thing here

is I'm going to repeat what I said last week.

I studied a lot of Shakespeare and I didn't have

any of these guys on the list. I just didn't.

It must have been something like you or you didn't

think of the mythological character. I didn't

think of the Shakespeare characters. I guess

I just missed it. But Dan. Of the three we have,

do we even have them in the right order? We had

Iago, now Claudius, and now Richard III. I have

no idea. My knowledge of Shakespeare is not nearly

what it should be, so I am not the one to really

make that claim. I'm surprised that so many people

know about Richard III because I feel like that's

one of the ones that's not studied as much, not

read as much, but maybe I'm way off base. I don't

know. Matt, what do you think of the order that

we have these three? I mean, in terms of just

being iconic in terms of Shakespearean kind of

poems and stories, I wouldn't have put Richard

III up there. I mean, I think Claudius is a way.

better villain um richard iii was a tyrannical

despot who invaded a lot of lands and killed

a lot of people so i guess that's good enough

to if you kill a lot of people i guess if you're

genocidal maniac maybe you're up on how many

people have you killed claudia yeah it's like

a dick it's like a dick major in context with

how many people got killed or something like

that it's like well i killed my best friend my

body count over here or something but i guess

richard iii just he was a king who was tyrannical

and did a lot of horrible stuff in the medieval

times, which you can only imagine what kind of

shit he did. So, sure, put him on the list. I

don't even think I had him on my list, to be

honest with you. But, hey, I mean, more power

to the person who put him at number two. He must

be a real Richard III fan. Maybe he's like, I

don't know, a distant nephew or something like

that. I don't know. Let's get some explanation

from people in the comments on the website here

as to why so many people had him in the top 10.

But I'm sure there's a lot of people that are

ready to defend that choice. So we'll have to

wait and see. DJ, what do we do after we go back

to classic literary villains usually on this

list? I guess it's going to be a pop culture

person. Yes, sir. Number 68, let's go to another

animated villain. Animated villains finding a

lot of spots here. villain movie animated villain

from 1992 let's go with the disney villain with

jafar at number 68 so jafar uh appearing on 36

of the list if in the event a suitable prince

cannot be found a princess must then be wed to

interesting what who the royal vizier that would

be Me. But... You will order the princess to

marry me. I will order the princess to... But

you're so old. The princess will marry me. Heard

your princess was a sight lovely to see. Delighted

to meet you. This is my royal vizier, Jafar.

He's delighted too. Ecstatic. I'm afraid, Prince

Abubu. Ababua. Whatever. Sire, I must advise

against this. Oh, but not Jafar. Learn to have

a little... Just where did you say you were from?

Oh, uh, much farther than you've traveled, I'm

sure. Try me. Jasmine will like this one. And

I'm pretty sure I'll like Princess Jasmine. You'll

make us know. I must intercede on Jasmine's behalf.

This boy is no different from the others. What

makes him think he is worthy of the princess?

Your Majesty, I am Prince Ali Ababwa. Just let

her meet me. I will win your daughter. How dare

you? All of you, standing around deciding my

future? I think it's time to say goodbye to Prince

Abobo. You! How many times do I have to kill

you, boy? Things are unraveling fast now. Perhaps

you'd like to see how snake -like I can be. Little

fool. You thought you could defeat the most powerful

being on Earth. One too many hits for the snake.

Slave! I make my third wish. I wish to be an

all -powerful genie! All right. Your wish is

my command. Way to go, Al. The power. The absolute

power. What have you done? Trust me. The universe

is mine. command to control! Not so fast, Jafar!

Weren't you forgetting something? You wanted

to be a genie? You got it! Steve, you had him

the highest amongst the people on the record

today. So why is Jafar deserving to be included

in this countdown? Just because he's among one

of the most iconic Disney films, I feel anyway,

of all time. It's one of the few that I can stand

to watch. Plus, the character not only is creepy,

but he's constantly trying to worm his way into

the... being Sultan and having unlimited power

and wanting this genie and then this street rat's

just constantly one -upping him. But he's got

all these different powers of persuasion and

costume changes and just all these different

abilities. And he's, like I said, just very iconic.

So I think that he's... despite the fact he only

lasted the two films and the second one was kind

of a special, he's still very iconic. Yeah, Dan,

I don't have the list in front of me with the

animated villains that we talked about, but I

would be curious if we go back through there,

how many of these characters are showing up here

that didn't? register as much on that list. I

don't know if it's just because we're specifically

talking about villains, but I do agree that Jafar

is one of the more iconic Disney villains. Dan,

do you think that makes him worthy of showing

up on this list? I can't remember if he showed

up in the top 100. I think he did because I remember

we had a lot of characters from Aladdin, if I

wasn't mistaken. Aladdin is my all -time favorite

Disney movie. It was probably one of the movies

I've watched more times than not. When I'm looking

at what I feel are the best Disney villains,

I don't think I would put him up there. I think

some other characters I feel are stronger. He's

a good character. He is rather creepy. He's got

a cool staff. Damn right. I just think that...

If I like looking at other characters like Cruella

de Vil or some other ones come to my mind first

before Jafar. Like, I don't think he is like

the best part of a Disney or of Aladdin where

there are some Disney films where the best part

is the villain in some cases where I think he

does the job that's needed for that film to work.

But he also was part of our. film tournament

we did prior to this which he ended up going

pretty far so i know there's some popularity

in regarding to people who listen so i'm sure

they're rather happy but i think in turn a lot

of that has to do with the fact that so many

people love the movie aladdin is uh similar to

how bowser is getting on here because so many

people love mario i think it's kind of a similar

uh reasoning behind that dj we had i guess if

you consider captain hook at disneyville and

even though he's been in multiple different sources

and things like that from last week we have jafar

now is disney trying to uh pull a coup on us

and take over the countdown or what do you think

It Disney always wins. Doesn't matter if it's

a Marvel villain or, you know, animated villain

or Muppets going to Disney wins. I would say

this about Jafar. I mean, Jafar could have been

20 times better because if you did a little bit

of trivia here, Patrick Stewart said the biggest

regret of his entire career was not turning down

a chance to voice Jafar in Aladdin. he said no

matter this is patrick effing stewart okay so

imagine aladdin if it was voiced by patrick stewart

i can only a freaking imagine but i mean the

thing about jafar is he gets overshadowed by

you know Robin effing Williams who's amazing

in that movie so you almost forget how like slimy

and sinister and there's a scene with uh Jasmine

later on in that movie where it's kind of like

creepy because Jafar is pushing at least 50 years

old and Jasmine's like 15 and he's like doing

this creepy you know Weinstein thing again yeah

it's very the Weinstein syndrome another Weinstein

situation I think we have a name for it now I

agree with Dan. I don't think he's – when it

comes to Disney villains, he's probably low on

the totem pole. But, I mean, the guy had – he

had the return movie. He had a return of Jafar

movie. So, I mean, he's – It's right to video,

but it's fine. Hey, hey, nobody counts now. Matt,

how many more Disney villains do you expect to

see if we've seen Captain Hook and Jafar so far?

I think we're just getting to the tip of the

iceberg here because we're getting into these

kind of like – They're good villains, but you

think of some of these other villains that have

killed people or animals. They've killed their

family. Jafar didn't kill anybody. He left one

little sea urchin or whatever, like a little

street urchin down in the Cave of Wonders liner.

He left him down there. That's fine. But he didn't

kill anybody. He just wanted power. We got people

that want to skin dogs alive. We got people throwing

their brother down a cliff into wildebeests.

gonna see some serious shit pretty soon so that's

what i'm hoping for but i like jafar though he's

got that grima worm tongue kind of thing going

for him a little grima no word either but but

at the end he's he's a victim of his own kind

of vanity and everything which is like come on

man that's smart you're gonna fall for the oldest

trick in the book little bitty little bitty living

space come on bro come on yeah but we're gonna

see a lot more busy We'll have to wait and see

if we do see a lot more Disney villains or not.

Let's go to number 67 next. This character would

technically break our streak of 80s and 2000s

films if he hadn't appeared in a novel first.

So novel would be the source, I guess, for this

one. Let's go to a character played by Al Pacino,

Michael Corleone. from the godfather series so

um coming in at 28 of the list number 67 steve

what do you think godfather uh making an appearance

as far as villain goes there's a lot of different

characters i guess you could go to but michael

is the one that ends up on the list i definitely

think that he deserves a place on the list uh

despite the fact that he didn't start out being

the villain but ended up having to become the

villain it kind of makes sense so All right,

DJ Matt. Dan, what do you think of the Godfather

finding a way in here? I think he's more of a

villain in part two, because honestly, what does

he do that's villainous in part one? He, spoiler

alert, kills the guy who killed his brother?

Yeah, he just kind of takes over. It's not really...

That's still murder. Sure, sure. It's self -defense.

It's revenge. I mean, that guy killed, he essentially

eliminated everybody who betrayed his family.

I think that's a hero. In part two, I mean, what

he does to Fredo, that's more villainous to me,

even though, again, Fredo, you had it coming,

brother. I knew it was you, Fredo. Dan, what

do you think? Are we being too lenient on murder

here? Michael Corleone deserves it. Are we being

too lenient on murder, Your Honor? Man, I'm going

to stay away from that one. I'm going to say

murder's bad. Is it? Is it, though? I mean, I

guess, yeah. Anyways, I think if you're ranking,

like, best characters, and, like, I think he...

is probably much higher on that list or just

been the best movie characters he's probably

top 10 in in that list but and i think he makes

a good point like the first time he's not he's

not really a villain i think that's what makes

godfather 2 such a great film or you know that

those two films so fantastic seeing him develop

into that like developing into the thing he never

wanted to be um in like how he gets kind of brought

into that world um so i think that's why he's

such a great character is because you can see

how the best intentions don't always lead to

the result that you want them to and um how yeah

like the first one what he does is justified

but you see how sometimes justified actions lead

to you to kind of go down the path that you didn't

want to go down um so again one of the most arguably

one of the greatest films or obviously one of

the greatest films of all time and one of the

biggest reasons why so if you're doing a list

of great characters he's going to be on it and

some could ask if we did the best heroes list

I guess some people probably have him on that

too so there you go but I'm actually kind of

surprised he's not higher but maybe it's because

some people don't see him as a villain Yeah,

could be for sure. Again, only 28 % of the people

had him on the list. Just most people that did

have him had him fairly high. Almost four people

in the top 10, but one of them was at 11. So

I guess that doesn't quite count. Let's go to

our number 66 pick. Let's go back to a character

that we've actually already talked about today.

How about that? We're going to go back to the

world of animation. And I guess we won't need

to spend too much time because I've already heard

most of your guys' reason for why this character

should be higher than Montgomery Burns. Sideshow

Bob at number... Number 66, voiced by Kelsey

Grammer, originated in 1990. Ow! What do you

want? Surely there's no harm in laying in the

middle of a public street. There's Shelbyville

Falls, Rolling Rock, and here's another breathtaking

sight, my brand new hubby. I wanted a room with

a fireplace, you brainless luggage monkey. Like

the one in your brochure. Oh, Selma dear, I was

just chatting with my good friend, Dennis. Now,

smile for the camera, that's a good lad. Dan,

what do you think? Did we get it right? Sideshow

Bob is more of a villain than Montgomery Burns,

or a better villain? Oh, I think so. Well, he's

like the first real villain of The Simpsons.

You know, he tried to frame a clown, you know,

a childhood clown who has a TV show to get his

own popularity, and then he made it an awful

show, so that's pretty criminal. But then, you

know, his biggest favorite pastime is killing

children, or trying to kill children. And then

you've also, you know, with... The Simpsons,

he's been able to kind of make homage to other

classic villains, many of which we'll probably

show on this last. Unlike, I think, Montgomery

Burns, he only shows up in certain occasions.

His relationship with Bart Simpson is amazing.

They're back and forth. Is it arguably Kelsey

Grammer's best role? It may be. It's up there.

I agree. He is 100 % a villain, where Montgomery

Burns is not as villainous, I think, as Sideshow

Bob. Interesting trivia here, Steve, that Montgomery

Burns actually appeared on more lists. It was

how high that people ranked Sideshow Bob that

actually ends him up higher on the list. So,

you know, 40 % of people had Montgomery Burns,

only 32 % had Sideshow Bob, but most people had

him ranked a little bit higher. What do you think

of having these two Simpsons characters showing

up here today? Oh, I'm definitely glad that they

both showed up because they're kind of iconic

in their own right. And then the fact that Sideshow

Bob actually did one -up Montgomery Burns just

means that people are ranking them how they should

be ranked. TJ, two characters from the world

of Shakespeare, two characters from the world

of The Simpsons. What do you make of it? Well,

this proves that Matt Groening is apparently

William Shakespeare reincarnated, apparently.

I guess that's what's going on right now. William

Shakespeare died and decided that when he came

back to life, he wanted to make an animated series

about a kid who doesn't, you know, want to have

a cow or likes to skateboard. And likes to tell

people to eat shorts. Eat shorts, of course.

I think they said that in The Tempest. Eat my

shorts, man. Eat thy shorts. Eat thy shorts.

You just have to read in between the lines a

little bit, I think. They alluded to it. Matt,

what do you think? get it right uh all in agreement

that sideshow bob's the better villain uh oh

no yeah because i even go back to the michael

corleone argument it's like are we downplaying

murder um i don't know maybe uh yeah sideshow

bob tried to murder people uh montgomery burns

tries to maim people and he's more of a mustache

twirling villain in my opinion but yeah sideshow

bob is a psychotic almost child murderer. Not

even child murderer, like family murderer. And

it's always the same family, so he obviously

has some psychosis going for him. But yeah, I

think overall, and even the iconic look of Sideshow

Bob looking like a giant palm tree is just kind

of like that. When I was nominated for Best Supporting

Performer in a Children's Program at the Daytime

Emmy Awards, my bitterness ruined what should

have been the greatest night of my life. And

the nominees are Droopy Jaws. Colonel Coward.

Pepito, the biggest cat in the whole wide world.

Sideshow Bob. And suck up the vacuum. And the

Emmy goes to... I don't believe this. Sideshow

Bob. This is one more Emmy than you'll ever win,

you bantering jack -in -the -box. Just don't

drop that thing in the shower, Bob. No talent,

shill. Take a banana. Hand her a boar. Stop it.

Release me. Now for the highlight of the evening,

best film to video transfer. Unmistakable look.

Montgomery Burns is kind of, you know, he has

this look, but Sideshow Bob has the look, and

he's murderous. So, yeah, out of the two villains,

it has to be the one. Interesting to note here

on the next one that we reveal here at number

65 that we actually might have some people upset

because every single person that ranked number

65 had him in the 50s or higher. So we might

have some people upset that he's already appearing.

This one, again, would break the rule as far

as what decade the film is from, but he appeared

in the novel first, guys. Novel first, 1962.

More known probably for the film. Let's go with

the villain from A Clockwork Orange, Alex. So,

Alex DeLarge, DJ, what do you think of this character

showing up a few spots ahead of Michael Corleone,

another film villain there? Good morning, sir.

Here at the prison's committal court. Thank you,

mister. Name? Alexander DeLarge. You are now

in 18 prison part four. And from this moment,

you'll address all prison officers as sir. Name?

Alexander DeLarge. 14 years, sir. Crime? Murder,

sir. Right. Take the cuffs off him, mister. You

are now 605 -321. And it is your duty to memorize

that number. The guy's fandom is legendary. I'm

not a huge Clockwork Orange fan, but I know.

I know I'm in the minority. But, I mean, when

it comes to the things the guy's done, the whole

part of this point of this movie, at least that's

what I got of it, is that he's this evil guy,

and they try and fix him, and it kind of doesn't

take. But just that premise alone, he deserves

to be on this list. And for him to be this low

makes sense to me because, I mean, again, the

guy does some horrific things. uh it's just when

it comes to kubrick i think there's comes to

kubrick villains i don't think he's as high as

another kubrick villain but i mean again i'm

in the minority i'm not a huge clockwork orange

fan but you can't yesterday was halloween you

can't like avoid somebody dressed like this guy

every freaking year actually none of us had uh

him ranked on on any of our lists dan did we

all miss the boat or what do you think it doesn't

does he deserve a spot I don't have an issue

with him being ranked. I guess when I was looking

at, like DJ said, Kubrick movies, when it comes

to villains from that, he didn't come to my mind.

You know, there's a lot of people when it comes

to 100. And I guess, too, when I look at Clockwork

Orange, it's kind of the opposite of some other

characters, like Akoba, who becomes a villain,

where he certainly... starts off as a very evil

person and does some horrific things but i guess

i never saw him in his his portrayal in the film

as being you know being villainous i mean like

that's he That is done to get to a larger point

and how you end up kind of having sympathy or

possibly having sympathy based upon the actions

of that movie. So that's really why I didn't

really rank him here because I felt like his

purpose in the story didn't necessarily fit for

what I would want when I consider the greatest

villains. But he's a great character, no doubt.

And as DJ mentioned, certainly hugely popular.

I feel like there's a huge amount of people who

do love Clockwork Orange, the book or the movie.

So I could see, like you said, a lot of people

being kind of angry that he's not much higher.

I guess they can blame us since we didn't rank

him. Yeah, and I'm sure we'll hear about it because

five people, like I said, had him in the top

30. So a lot of people that are probably going

to be a little disappointed. And we'll get the

rationale and the reasoning, I'm sure, from a

few commenters on why he should be higher. Interesting

that you say, you know, we talk about somebody

that has a cult following because I don't know

if there's a character that has more of a cult

following or I guess a show that has more of

a cult following than what we're going to see

here at number 64. One thing we haven't done

today yet. is go to the world of TV. So let's

go to the world of television for a character

that originated in 1971, been played by various

people since then. Let's go to the world of Doctor

Who for Master. Also to note, first character

so far in the countdown that was on somebody's

number one. So we had somebody have this character

at number one. We actually had another person

had this character at number two. So a few Doctor

Who fans among us. Dan, what do you think of

Doctor Who finding a way to get in here? Not

surprising, because Doctor Who has a huge amount

of fans, and with that show, there's characters

that have been around for such a long time. My

personal experience with Doctor Who is limited

to... one and a half seasons per se so i don't

have a lot of uh knowledge of doctor who characters

but i am uh around a lot of doctor who fans so

through osmosis feel like uh i understand their

love of characters though i feel like the master

is not one i hear them talk about as much as

like the daleks and things like that which are

perhaps ones i don't know if that's a little

harder since they're like not a specific character

but characters uh so But yeah, I unfortunately

can't add a lot to the quality of the character

because I don't think when I did watch Doctor

Who, to my knowledge, he didn't show up because

I watched the first season of the reboot. So

I don't know if there's other Doctor Who fans

that can enlighten me to why he's such a great

character. And if he should be higher, I guess,

you know, if he's number one for some people,

maybe he should be. I don't know. DJ or Matt,

any knowledge on the Doctor Who series and if

Master should be higher or if he's good at number

64? Doctor Who's been out for, and this is not

even an exaggeration, I think 70 freaking years.

I mean, it's forever. It was the 60s, I know.

You could tell me 100, I'd believe you. There's

been 20, I can't remember how many damn Doctors

there's been, but the fact that the little bit

I know of Doctor Who is that he's damn near omnipotent.

I mean, the guy switches bodies all over the

place. And when it comes to a hero like that,

for you to have a villain that's just as... That

has lasted a time just as long. He has to be

a great one. I have a minimal amount of experience

on watching the master, but he's essentially,

I don't want to spoil this list here. He's kind

of doctor who the doctor is Moriarty in a, in

a sense. So I understand him being on here. And

I know the UK, the UK fans are probably like,

what the hell are you talking about? Of course,

he's got to be number one. I understand. That

was quite an accent. That's good. That's good.

Matt agree or disagree. I mean, from the people

that watch Doctor Who, I understand the rabid

fandom for it. I mean, I would go with Dan saying

like the dialects or even like the Weeping Angels

are probably more kind of like villains that

are more of a scary thing that actually will

kill people and destroy people where it seems

like the master is just playing the constant

long game. Like DJ said, it's the Doctor's Moriarty

always kind of one -upping him one step ahead

of him all the time. They always both seem to

regenerate all the time because they're all Time

Lords and things like that. I'm not into the

whole Doctor Who thing. My wife is. She watched

it. awesome i'm glad you like doctor who um yeah

i mean i i get it i get why people would say

it's because it is like it's his morality it's

his joker it's his ying to his yang so it's like

the ultimate hero versus the ultimate villain

basically so um i get the argument people will

make uh but i think it's also more of a kind

of people who watch doctor who are going to be

rabid fans of the master whereas people who are

don't watch doctor who don't know anything about

it like I don't even know who the Master is.

Master Commander? I don't even know. You bloody

wanker. You bloody wanker, you don't like the

Master. You don't like the Master? I'll stick

with the Master PC from Tron. There you go. That's

more of a threat than the Master. On that note,

I think we're going to take a quick break. Please,

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here. So DJ and Matt, I need to send you out

on a search party. You're looking for comic book

characters, okay? And Dan and Steve, if you guys

can go find the horror film fans. We haven't

killed them all. So we'll see if we have any

luck, and we'll be right back after the break.

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so far, more characters from Shakespeare than

comic books, than horror films, than, I mean,

I could name a couple more things. Shakespeare

reigning supreme so far. Simpsons right behind

in second. We'll see what happens here. On that

side of the break, we had also three characters

that predated the 1900s. We're going to start

with another one here at number 63, originating

in a novel from the 1800s. Let's go with Moby

Dick for number 63. Now, this one's interesting

because I think there may be a debate here on

who is the villain in this story. So, DJ, what

do you think? We have Moby Dick here getting

enough votes here to make it up to number 63.

Moby Dick's a whale. He's just trying to live

his life. Ahab's the villain. Trying to live

his whale life. He's just trying to live his

whale life. He's swimming along, eating, you

know, whatever they eat, kale. I don't know what

that was. Nobody should eat kale. Whatever. And

then Ahab comes along and he's just like, hey,

I gotta find him. Moby Dick, I guess in terms

of, you know, creatures, he could be considered,

you know, a villain, but honestly, that's the

point of the book is that, you know, his obsession

led to his, it's like the River Kwai thing. His

obsession led to his downfall sort of thing.

I don't, I never saw Moby Dick as the villain.

I don't know, hyphen or not, I never saw him

as the villain. Dan, what do you think? You got

a case for Moby Dick? Yeah, I guess when I did

rank him on my list, and I guess the reason I

consider him the villain, yeah, I guess technically

he's just a whale, but again, I think of what

he represents as a character and the impact that

obsession can have on Captain Ahab, who today's

standard is very much like, the dude is trying

to kill a whale, so he's not a hero, but I think

in the time and place of when the book was made,

that you know that was the case like that most

people you know did not have the sympathy for

animals that we do now um so and i think you

know when we take is that type of um like we've

seen that replicated a lot like that it becomes

that obsession that someone goes after and how

it's similar to like we talked about with godfather

how it can really lead to someone kind of going

crazy and lead to their demise so So in a way,

it's like, yeah, Moby Dick's only a whale. There's

not much to mention to the character. It's not

like it's Coba who you see Moby Dick kind of

develop throughout. But it's, I think, the way

in which the character is used in the story that

makes him a memorable villain. I can't think

of the, what was it, where someone talking about

Moby Dick and how, like, they love that story

because there's no symbolism, just about a dude

trying to kill a whale. One thing. I think Melville

said it. He was like, yeah, this is a book about

a whale and a guy. I just think of Wolf of Wall

Street. The book. The book, motherfucker. The

book. Also the second consecutive character that

appeared on somebody's number one. So Toon Master

Tim had Moby Dick at number one. I also ranked

Moby Dick. I don't know, Matt, do you think if

we were to make a list of just top 100 villainous

creatures, would people be more animals, creatures,

that type of thing? Would he rank higher? Are

we talking about natural creatures that talk?

Are we talking about Disney creatures that talk?

Yeah, that's true. A lot of those animals that

are like... get inside their heads i mean i guess

now it's like it's a different time because when

melville wrote it it was about like anti -whaling

and like the kind of disaster that whaling was

doing and how we were killing so many whales

so you can see as like moby dick is like the

avenging angel of like all these whales that

are getting murdered by man um but like now it

would be like moby dick's like a hero to everybody

because everybody's like so anti -whaling and

don't kill whales for their meat and plumber

and everything else too but The way I see it,

it's like Moby Dick is just an animal defending

itself, saying, look, bitch, you're going to

come out with spears. I'm going to come out and

belly flop your ass. I mean, at the end of the

day, that's really what it comes down to. It's

an animal being an animal. So I can't really

consider Moby Dick a villain because it's a creature

that's being fucked with. don't grab the bulls

man don't don't grab the bull by the horns type

of thing get the horns whatever he said steve

regardless of if he is a villain or not according

to some are we not the most intellectual cultured

group possible here at the geek cast radio network

for the amount of pre -1900 characters that we're

finding a way to fit in here i would definitely

say so because i did not think we were going

to ever hit as many pre 1960s characters ever

in the history of any of our top 100s or anything

else we've done. So just to show that we've transcended

what we've done before is just amazing. Although

there's still plenty of room to make everyone

sorry. This is the Geekcast Radio Network, guys.

No comic book characters, but Moby Dick finding

a way to find his way on the top 100. There's

going to be some Moby Dick -ing going on later.

Everybody's going to be complaining in the comments.

Let's go to number 62 and let's go back to the

world of TV. We had ended right before the break

with a TV character with Dr. Who here. Let's

go to a TV series that started in 2008 and a

character played by Bryan Cranston with Walter

White at number 62. When I watched her die, I

watched her overdose and choke to death. I could

have saved her, but I didn't. DJ, you had him

in your top 20. What do you think about Walter

White showing up here at number 62? We're just

talking about a character that doesn't start

off as the bad guy, but he slowly devolves into

the villain. When I think we're talking about

Coba, that's essentially the... premise of the

show. That's Breaking Bad. That's the title of

the show, the premise of the show. And if you

watch, I always like, I know it would spoil a

lot of people, if you watch the first episode

of Breaking Bad and then watch the fifth episode

of the final season, it's a completely different

person. It's almost like you want to watch that

show backwards or something. It's such a, that

character, I mean, Bryan Cranston is one of the

best actors working today and just the layers

of this character and, you know, he is You kind

of don't want to consider him a bad guy, but

he does horrible things. And there's no way to

sugarcoat some of the things. I don't want to

spoil some of the stuff he does, but it involves

many murders. It involves many tortures. It involves

child killing. So many things that Walter White

did. But you root for him because you've seen

where he began from, where he was this guy. He

was a teacher who was put upon and the world

treated him like crap. And this freedom of...

you know, not knowing when his next breath was

going to be, just give him the freedom to just

turn into this Lex Luthor, he should have been

cast instead of Jesse Eisenberg, villain, which

I love so much. So yes, Walter White's awesome.

Dan, what do you think? Walter White, deserving

of our few TV villains that have appeared so

far? It's interesting because, like, you're talking

about characters that... Does he qualify as a

villain or not? I think it's hard to think about

the character that is the center of the show,

even when it's called Breaking Bad, as the villain

or as a villain, considering there are other

characters that certainly were considered villains

in that show, too, that you could list here.

But, you know, that is, you know, Walter White

is probably. if you're looking at tv characters

from the last the 2000s got to be in in the top

five or so and as dj mentioned brian current's

performance is just insane in that uh like i

think like the last couple that last season especially

like uh last second last third to last episode

or some of the best like entertainment i've ever

watched like even and he's a big reason for that

um so certainly deserving i think he probably

would be higher if we could have like a conversation

beforehand to even determine if he would qualify

as a villain or not and people are like oh yeah

that's true so just go through the bad things

he's done the Kristen Ritter scene if you go

through any of that stuff you're like oh yeah

he did some horrible things more horrible things

I think than Michael Corleone so yeah matt interesting

enough so far we've had ben linus from lost we've

had boyd crowder from justified jr ewing from

uh dallas and then obviously we just had dr who

represented is walter white a better villain

than all of those guys as far as the tv ranks

well i guess uh and you could also play this

to like a lot of the other things too to like

you know bias for like kind of things that are

more recent than older. Like people are going

to remember more iconic villains recently than

they are from the past. That's probably why we're

getting like Walter White and things like that.

But it's interesting because like how we endear

ourselves with villains so much because we can

see ourselves in Walter White. So I think that's

why we. fucking love him so much even though

he's a horrible horrible human being at the end

of it we're so like we've been put upon we've

had shit go on our go on our lives and things

like that so that's why we relate to him so much

compared to like so many other like i can't relate

to ben linus he's like a fucking maniac but walter

walter white at least i'm like i can see parts

of me and walter white where i'm like damn that

guy is awful human being scum but I love that

motherfucker, though. It's such a weird thing.

It's just weird how we are now, how we feel.

We have so much admiration for villains now than

we have probably ever before, in my opinion.

But yeah, I mean, I think he fits in terms of

his TV villains. I can't really think of another

one who endeared us so much, and we also were

repulsed by him at the same time. But you can

also say Gus Frank. It was awesome. Tuco was

awesome. And even the Nazis at the end of the

last season were awesome, too. They were all

great villains. But Walter White stands alone.

And he went out the way he wanted to go out,

too. So he won. He won all the way through. That

guy's a winner. So we are about to reveal our

40th character so far in the top 100. So we've

revealed 39. Here comes number 40. Will we finally

get a comic book character? Shakespeare. Oh,

sorry. No, we're not going to get either. Let's,

though, reveal our first of today horror character.

So a character from a horror film, and it's a

film, so it's from the 2000s. 2004, on 44 % of

the list, a series of films that this character

is from. Number 61 is Jigsaw. I propose. so jigsaw

uh yeah as we're getting the movie and everything

so number 61 we've had chucky and now we get

jigsaw steve uh what do you make of the horror

characters that have shown up so far and is jigsaw

deserving i think it's deserving i think that

um and this is without having seen the recent

film although i've heard that it's kind of meh

um but uh yeah the the character kind of This

is very complicated, and the films that are associated

with them are very interesting, how they tie

everything back and forth through different parts

of time, kind of explaining how everything took

place basically at the same time. The character

is very creepy between the voice and the vocoder

and the little doll that squeaks in and has that

thing as it goes on the bike. Yeah, I mean, I

definitely find this more creepy than Chucky

or some of those other characters, even though

they're older. I definitely see this as a character

for the top 100. DJ, one thing that we can sometimes

see in these top 100 lists is when a character

first appears from a certain genre, a certain

source, or a certain franchise, etc., sometimes

it is a hint as far as what we can expect to

see the rest of the countdown. So we're at number

61, and we've seen Chucky and Jigsaw. To you,

what does that mean for the remainder of the

countdown? I think we're... I have my fingers

crossed that I'm right. But I'm pretty sure that

we're just going to get a flood where it's going

to be horror comic, horror comic. Because Jigsaw

to me, I think he's probably one of the most

iconic horror type characters we've gotten in

the last 20 years where people are dressing up

like you didn't get that from the Bye Bye Man

or whatever the hell the other freaking thing

is. Even like the Insidious. Jigsaw is just because

of the the iconography we keep using that word

of that character and tobin bell is so awesome

in that role i think i think it's right i think

he he would probably he's kind of a newbie but

it's chucky coming first and then him i think

that we have to be getting the the other four

that we all know who they are the mount rushmore

of horror the mount rushmore the mount horror

more of uh of horror characters but yeah i think

i think we're gonna get them i think that might

be a hint of uh Things to come. Dan, 40 characters

revealed, two horror characters, no comic book

characters. What do you make of everything so

far? We read too many classic literature books.

We paid attention in school. My fourth grade

teacher made this list. Well, let's see. Let's

see if we can get something else here that we

haven't seen yet. At number 60. Or let's go pre

-1900s one more time for a literary character.

So how about from the world of Robert Louis Stevenson?

Number 60 is none other. Then Long John Silver.

So we had the Facebook matchup of Long John Silver

and Captain Hook. Here we get our answer. Captain

Hook appeared way back, whatever number that

was last episode, 83. And now we get Long John

Silver number 60. That means Pirates 2, which

is 1. DJ, what do you think? Long John Silver

here. Damn you, Mrs. Weiss. Why did you make

this list? Everybody's a freaking literary character.

No. He's up there. I understand him being on

this list. I'm surprised a little bit that people

even remember Long John Silver. The thing that

I remember from him is how he prayed. I mean

this in the most sterile way possible. How he

prayed on that child. Yeah, sterile. How he essentially

uses... He's very manipulative. Captain Hook

is just kind of like, I'm just... killing him.

I got no time for this. There's a little bit

more of a wheel turning in Long John Silver,

so yeah. I think if I had to read about a character

more, I'd probably want to know more about this

guy over Captain Hook, because Captain Hook is

kind of one note, kill the kid, you know, kind

of thing. So I understand him being higher. Steve,

what do you think? We had the matchup with Long

John Silver and Captain Hook. Regardless of how

the comments went, obviously in the top 100,

Long John Silver quite a bit ahead of him. Did

we get that right, or what would you do? I'm

not really sure. I'm not 100 % knowledgeable

in the character, but I don't see why not. I

mean, you can never have enough pirates. At least

good and notable ones. Right. Dan, we were all

over the map on this one. Again, one person had

him in this top 10. We had people in the teens,

20s, 30s, 80s, 90s. Did we at least, in your

opinion, get it right here with number 60? Or

could it be debated where he should fall? I guess

looking at some of the other literature characters,

I feel like some of them could probably be ranked

a little higher compared to Long John Silver,

though. To his advantage, he does have a fast

food chain even after him. That is true. Those

hush puppies, man. That's the only thing more

villainous than him. I'll pray all your children

even after my death. So I would probably rank

some of the other classic characters we've gotten

above him, per se. I think I like Captain Hook

maybe a little bit more as a character, but that

could be because I have a Disney movie to go

to. Or actually kind of a couple of Disney movies

to go to. But certainly, I think Long John Silver

is, in the history of pirates, probably one of

the most famous. those characters so he's kind

of has the look that most people think of when

they think of pirates so you you have to have

that going for him um and you know he's certainly

yeah well known um so i i think like yeah he

should be here i don't know if i can put him

this either Okay, I have to wait and see how

people think as far as how the pirates ended

up so far. And then maybe we'll have another

one. Who knows? All right, let's get to number

59. I can't wait to hear the discussion surrounding

this character. And if this is the right character

to have at this point or not, because gentlemen,

the drought is over. Let's go to the world of

the comic books with our number 59 pick. The

first comic book character in the countdown,

General Zod. TJ? Kneel before Zod. Zod. Whoa,

man. Kneel before Zod. Gotta say it. Before Zod.

A farm. Farm. See, Matt's favorite line is not

kneel before Zod. It's, where were you raised

on a farm? No, Zod is awesome. Well, he didn't

know. It's funny because. I remember Zod more

from Terrence Stamp than I do from any comic

book, though I know he's a comic book character

because it's Superman, but Terrence Stamp essentially

nailed what, essentially even what we look at

Zod today as, because as much as I love Michael

Shannon, he doesn't even freaking say anything

before Zod. He's just, you know, just very emo.

The whole time. But Zod is such a cool character.

The thing about it is Superman's rogues gallery

is so vast in terms of great villains. Zod sometimes

gets lost in the shuffle as how one, powerful

he is. Two, megalomaniacal he is. And three,

kind of understandable in his villainy. So I

really like Zod. I'm glad he's on this list.

I'm surprised a lot of people might have just

skipped over him and gone to the other top three.

superman villains and i'm happy he's on here

but hopefully this is not because of man of steel

because that's that's not superman 2 that's effing

zod right there that is general zod deserving

in the top 100 villains I think it could also

be just for kind of recency. Like people are

like, oh, General Zod and Man of Steel. They

kind of noticed him. I mean, I would be saying,

I mean, a lot of people play that bias a little

bit. But yeah, Terrence Stamp put his proverbial

stamp on Zod. I mean, people know him for that.

They know Neil before Zod. They know him and

his two henchmen. no all right henchwoman and

henchman next to him so people it's so recognizable

and just him being in superman 2 on tv saying

like look you guys are fucked like look it's

neil before us we'll let it all forgive and you

know just bring a superman um but yeah as far

as the comic book goes i don't know many storylines

of him with superman in the comic book it's all

about terrence stamp and i'm sorry i'm i'm kind

of i'm kind of partial to michael shannon because

I liked him in that movie a lot. He was probably

the one shining beacon in that film that wasn't

so great. You just like that line, Matt. It's

so great. We had him ranked anywhere from number

7 all the way up to somebody had him at 76. Steve,

what do you think of General Zod appearing here?

I think that it's kind of warranted. I mean,

he's not particularly my favorite character,

but I can definitely see that. He's still one

of the most well -known battles of Superman's

career, so I think that's very fitting for at

least the first entry in the comic book genre.

Interesting, too, to note that none of you guys

had General Zod listed on your countdown. So

interesting that he's the first one. Dan, what

can we read into the fact that General Zod is

the first comic book villain? What does that

mean for the rest of the countdown? I think comic

book villains that have appeared in movies are

probably going to have a huge advantage to those

that haven't, most likely, or at least were portrayed

in movies effectively. And those that were probably

movies in... were not effective may be negatively

impacted yeah i could definitely see that in

the comics he's not he's not a he's not a huge

i think uh important character in the world of

dc comics um but in the superman 2 like very

much so he tariff stamp is probably the sole

reason why he's on this list so but i'm guessing

that's gonna replicate as we go further So there

we have it. The drought is broken. Comic book

characters are represented here in the top 100

finally. So let's go to number 58. DJ, what did

you say earlier that we were going to go comic

book character horror villain, comic book character

horror villain, something like that? Comic book

character horror, comic book character horror.

That was my prediction. Okay. So how about number

58, the world of horror films? And guess what,

guys? It's a film. So let's go back to the 1980s,

1987 to be specific. for another icon, I guess,

in that genre with Pinhead at number 58. So I

don't know if visually it gets more iconic than

Pinhead. DJ and Matt, take this one first. What

do you think? We had Jigsaw a few picks back

and now Pinhead. What do you guys make of that?

We have such sights to show you. I know this

is all you, Matt. This is all you. It's all me?

Yeah, because I'm into Pinhead. I love him. You're

into Pinhead. I mean, it's funny because, like,

his kind of backstory gets revealed as, like,

the films kind of progress in part two and part

three and things like that. So, I mean, it's

kind of a weak backstory that he has, but, I

mean, he kind of ends just by the means where

he's, like, this just demon who wants to torture

people because it brings him pleasure. weird

snm elements and all these other crazy things

that clive barker's come up with in his own twisted

little head so but yeah it comes from and i think

this is where we're going to start seeing so

many more iconic you know horror villains come

out just because how they look it's like that

look is unmistakable as soon as you see that

white face with those pins all over you know

that that's pinhead that's the centelbite the

lead centelbite that everybody knows um but i

mean he is a horrible person because he is basically

the devil when you really break it down he makes

deals with people and when he kind of sees fit

he's like yeah fuck the deal you're coming down

the hell with me i'm going to torture your ass

for millennia so i mean what's more kind of devious

and demonic than that i mean there aren't any

other horror villains maybe outside of like jigsaw

that just love to torture people for the most

part and uh it's it's a good it's a good horror

villain i mean i think he's kind of placed in

the right area in the uh you know that almost

50 range and everything so he's halfway there

but yeah i mean i'm i'm team pinhead all day

so is uh so is my better half and she might be

upset that he's not higher because she had him

at number 12 technically technically jig jigsaw

didn't torture people for the sake of it. It

was save yourself. Yeah, I was like, yeah, but

I mean, you know, he was probably sitting in

the corner going like, oh man, it's torture show.

This is so hot. This is so hot right now. Steve,

Pinhead might not be everybody's choice for Mount

Rushmore, as they said, of horror villains, but

would he be if we were just looking at it from

a visual standpoint? I mean, he's got to be one

of the most intimidating looking horror villains.

He's probably one of the freakiest looking one.

aside from Freddy Krueger. Yeah, I agree. Dan,

what do you think? Pinhead here? I'm actually

surprised he gets ranked ahead of Jigsaw or Chucky,

because I feel like they're... jigsaw being a

more current character and i feel like chucky's

probably a little bit more well known um in the

sense of like the popularity of the films but

i do know that uh you know panhead has like there's

a those movies are still being made i mean sort

of chucky films no horror movies die that's that's

that's the key um but i it's visually certainly

very intimidating i do wonder like like great

look and then they put all that effort into it

and i feel like they made the movie and they're

like you know what we forgot to name them Yeah,

it's like, hey, he's got pins up his head. There

you go. Done. Nice, nice. All right, let's go

on to number 57 here. It's been three picks,

so let's go back to the 1800s because every third

pick so far in this side of the countdown has

been back there. Let's also go back to a creator

that we've already seen today, not too long ago,

back to the world of Robert Louis Stevenson.

For a character that first appeared in a novel

in 1886, let's go to Mr. Hyde at number 57 of

Jekyll and Hyde fame. Another classic literary

villain. Dan, what do you make of this one? You

had him at number 13. Is this too low for Mr.

Hyde? I don't know. I think it's fine. I did

because... I guess when I was reading Jekyll

and Hyde, I'm thinking like, Mr. Hyde, so much

like Moby Dick, that is a certain kind of cliche

that has now been, it's like, think of someone

like the Incredible Hulk, certainly very much

influenced by the Jekyll and Hyde idea of becoming

like the thing you fear most or having this inner

demon that ends up becoming like its own entity.

yeah i you know what what could have happened

too is he could have been higher than some people

watched the mummy and saw uh that version of

the character and then dropped it off completely

but though i do really like i have a soft spot

for the league of extraordinary gentlemen and

he's in that too um in the comic as well but

so i i do like that character and um That character's

been used all over the place, like mentioned,

from comics to really bad movies. But I think

the premise of it is what really sticks with

me, and it's why I ranked it as high as I did.

Steve, what do you think of Mr. Split Personality

being here at number 57? I know nothing. Know

nothing about Dr. Jekyll? I don't want to get

the... I know... I know enough about him to know

that he's just a psychopath as Mr. Hyde. But

yeah, I think that that character may have gotten

tainted by that new Mummy movie. Among other

characters in that film. DJ, are you surprised

he's not higher? I mean, this has got to be one

of the most iconic classic villains, right? I

guess, but I mean, I think there's other ones

that... Think about that Mummy movie. Let's go

back to that again. It's terrible. I kind of

understood what Russell Crowe was going to do

there, because I always like the differences.

I like the split personality of the Jekyll, where

he's kind of the proper British gentleman, and

then he goes, I like what Russell Crowe was doing

there, but it's just the execution by that director

was horrible. Jekyll, when it comes to the, every

time I think of Jekyll, I just think of Jack

the Ripper, and I'm thinking him more of a, even

though they're kind of similar in terms of craziness.

The thing about Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde is almost

like more about the inner struggle of the character

to me. I don't really see him leapfrogging characters

that are just plain out to be bad, and essentially

we're just going to follow these horrible, horrible

people. I can see him being this low on the list.

I'm surprised he's under certain characters,

but I can see him being right here. Matt, have

we blown our load as far as the pre -1900 characters?

Because that's like the 11th or 12th character

that we've had that's predating the 1900s. So

are we just seeing them all right now and we're

not going to see any of the rest of the way?

Or what do you think? I don't know. There still

might be a few that are still kind of like, you

know, not coming out yet. But in terms of just

kind of like characters that are iconic, in terms

of just a pure villain that we know so well has

been used in so many different mediums, Mr. Hyde

definitely fits the bill. And yeah, I mean, maybe

it slid down the list a little bit just because

everybody had such a bad taste in their mouth

from the last Mummy movie. I mean, I hate to

keep harping on that, but that might be some

type of recency bias where like, yeah, fuck that.

He sucked. and I didn't think he was that bad

in The Mummy I thought Russell Crowe was probably

one of the more shiny examples of shit like polishing

a turd basically I don't know what it was but

he was fine in that movie the movie was not good

but he was fine in it but I like the concept

of Mr. Hyde because it's something we can all

kind of deal with and we all kind of you know

we all have that inner fucking demon in us we

just don't let it out you know uh except on the

internet i don't let it out every week i don't

know um except on twitter when you're faceless

you can say whatever you want all the time so

this is social media you can say whatever you

want um but yeah i mean i'm kind of thinking

about other villains that are like pre -1900

that might show up on the list and we still might

get a few but uh you know maybe we'll get a dr

faustist or something like that who knows um

there we go But we'll see what happens down the

line. But I think that's if this is the crescendo

of pre 1900 literary villains, I mean, it's a

good way to kind of end that streak, if you will.

All right. Well, we had a literary villain. So

let's go to a pop culture villain. And actually,

let's go to something that we haven't really

seen yet and something that usually doesn't get

represented. So maybe some, I guess. happiness

that it's represented at all let's go to an anime

villain uh i guess if you want to call it that

um let's go to dragon ball z world that doesn't

give it away though because there's so many villains

from that series so number 56 will be frieza

40 of the list 40 of the list steve in your top

ten, so we'll let you start here. Why Frieza

out of all the Dragon Ball villains? Because

he's the most annoying and... Thank you. Somebody

said it. They give him... Oh, he sounds like

this every time you hear him. And he takes so

long to transform into his four different forms,

and then they kill him. They bring him back as

a robot cyborg. They kill him again. They bring

him back in the underworld. They kill him again.

They bring him back in the return of F or revenge

of F or resurrection. And then they kill him

again. And he comes back with a fifth form. But

he's probably the main go -to villain that everyone

is scared of collectively. And yet they keep

going back to him. Even though I would argue

that possibly Cell would be more of a head -to

-head. uh fight with with goku than than frieza

but frieza was the one that set off the uh the

super saiyan chain and kind of uh was the the

leading off to the uh the the god level characters

that they're at now in uh dragon ball super So

anybody with Dragon Ball Z or Dragon Ball general

questions, direct those to Steve. I used to be

the only one in my high school and middle school

that would walk around and know literally everything

about Dragon Ball Z. A lot of people almost got

this one on the nose here. It comes in at number

56. I had it at 59. Dan, you had it at 60. Eduardo,

62. TV's Mr. Neal, 53. So a lot of people had

them around here. Dan, what do you think? Why

is Frieza? deserving to be on here. I mean, I

was trying to get some sort of representation

from anime, and I have very little experience

when it comes to anime, but I did watch Dragon

Ball Z for a bit, and he fits that character

of just being extremely bratty. and like just

like as you mentioned very annoying um but also

like you do see him kind of like it's kind of

the the recipe for Dragon Ball Z where it's like

the really evil guy that they all try to kill

and or tries to kill everybody but then they

kind of just forgive him and now he's like on

their side but he's still kind of bad um but

um so uh it like when I think of Dragon Ball

Z like I think of Goku and I think of Vegeta

and that show has been you know it's hugely important

or hugely popular worldwide. And it's, I guess,

you know, still going to say, as you mentioned

with just the amount of different times he's

died, been killed and come back and, uh, how,

uh, uh, how important into franchise. Uh, so

that's a big reason I, like, if I'm looking at

like, so you mentioned the characters that from

the franchise that are like scary villains or

more evil, probably what would go with, uh, uh

like excel or um was it frieza uh like that's

where i could watch around that that period of

time um until the point like i just couldn't

watch it anymore because i'm watching five episodes

and they legitimately have not progressed the

story at all in any way shape or form that's

that's why dragon ball z kai was a little bit

because it cut out all the filler yeah so um

but yeah so i I know there's a huge amount of

Dragon Ball Z, and there's a lot of people who

love them, and a lot of different villains, because

there are so many different characters, but I

feel like the most more, or at least the most

well -known and popular would be Vegeta. Yeah,

we'll have to wait and see what the fans think

as far as which villain should show up as far

as the Dragon Ball Z characters. I'm not knowledgeable

in it, so I'll comment. But I did think that

he was at least worthy. I was trying to find

an anime villain to get in there, and so this

is where I squeezed one in. But the few episodes

I liked, I liked better. Or the few episodes

I saw. All right, let's go back to the world

of TV for our number 55 pick. Actually, and let's

ref what we said way back at number 74 when we

were talking about Bowser. I said there would

only be one other character on as many lists

as Bowser, and that's what we're getting right

here with 48 % of the list, including Gus Fring.

So we already went once earlier. Does that shock

anybody? Bowser and Gus Fring are the two characters

talked about today that appeared on the most

lists. That is weird. It's a weird combination.

It is. Bowser and Gus Fring. Who would have thought

that they would both have been that popular?

Has your condition worsened? Excuse me? Your

medical condition. Has it grown worse? Not that

I know of, no. Is there a ringing in your ears?

Are you seeing bright lights or hearing voices?

I'm quite well, thank you. No. Clearly you are

not. No rational person would do as you have

done. Explain yourself. My partner was about

to get himself shot. I intervened. Some worthless

junkie. For him, you intervened and put us all

at risk. Some contemptible junkie who couldn't

keep the peace for eight hours. That's right.

He couldn't. He was angry because those two dealers

of yours had just murdered an 11 -year -old boy.

I heard about it. He should have let me take

care of them. Maybe. Then again, maybe he thought

it was you who gave the order. Are you asking

me if I ordered the murder of a child? Yeah,

even considering we've had Walter White on here.

Yeah, we've had Walter White. We've had a few

other characters show up so far, and Gus Fring

appearing on more lists than those guys. So,

Dan, what do you think as far as is he deserving

to be right here around that halfway mark? Yeah,

because I think there's no question regarding

him being a villain. He is rather evil, but again,

what's so great about his character is just the

persona he puts on in front of people and being

this head of this chicken, fried chicken franchise,

but how truly evil that man is and how ridiculous.

I felt like... Every time I saw him, I was scared

of him. And just like he had, he was always this

threat to Walt White and to everyone else. So

I am surprised he's on as many lists as he is.

But also, I think one of my favorite deaths,

I did enjoy his, how he did get his comeuppance,

as they say. So, yeah, I don't know. I'm really

shocked. Once we had Walter Wright, I just assumed

that would be it for Breaking Bad, but here you

go. DJ, any surprise that we got two Breaking

Bad characters in here? No, because Gus Fring

is awesome. And I guess because Walter White,

the whole arc of the show is that he is the villain,

but this villain, Walter White's villain, is

Gus Fring. So if you gotta find somebody even

more, a person who broke even worse than Walter

White. Gus Fring is that guy. I mean, this is

a guy who poisoned himself to kill people. I

mean, the guy has done some horrible things,

and Dan was touching on it. His stillness when

he's not... Just the threat of violence in the

guy's face is frightening. I forget the guy's

name. Is it... Gene Carlo Esposito. Yeah, Esposito.

He's awesome in that role. I think he's now on

Better Call Saul. Kind of in the prequel route.

But he's awesome. And for a character on television

to just frighten you where you don't know what

he's going to do. You literally have no idea.

You could be smiling in your face as somebody

is prepared to shoot you in the back. You have

no idea what's going to happen. Gus Fring is,

of all the characters on Breaking Bad, a show

with amazing characters, he always stands out.

Matt, any thoughts? Yeah. I mean, and you think

about like the person he has in his back pocket

is Mike too. So you think about how cold Mike

is the entire time too. And when you know about

Mike's, how he broke bad then too, it's like

everything gets kind of like snowballs into like

how everybody's just broke really fucking bad.

And how. Gus Fring has probably the guy who broke

the worst at a certain point too. So the fact

that he has Mike in his back pocket and as his

muscle, like who would have thought Mike was

like muscle, but he's like the biggest muscle

in the whole show. But going back to what Dan

was saying too, with like his ending, his comeuppance

is like so gangster too. It's like, you can't

think of like another person who goes out as

badass as he does almost. And that's what a lot

of these villains, I think the way a lot of these

villains go out, It's very memorable to a lot

of people and why he gets a lot more votes too

sometimes because Frieza dies five times, keeps

coming back. Best friend goes out, people don't

remember him. Pinhead died a bunch of times,

but whatever. But all these people who died really

epically too get higher votes as well too. We

did see Darth Maul already. Darth Maul, he went

out like a bitch, but he came back with his metal

legs. He was all good. But yeah, Gus Fring, if

anybody on that show deserves a higher rank,

it's definitely him. Yeah, just his threat. I

don't know, him being scary. And like you said,

DJ, him poisoning himself to make his point.

Yeah, pretty good. All right. Let's go to number

54, another character that has already been mentioned

today once in passing somewhat. Let's go to a

character that's mostly known for a Disney film,

but originated in a novel from 1956, Cruella

de Vil. So we had Jafar. Now we have Cruella

de Vil. Dan, what do you think? Oh, Pongo. It's

her. Must be Cruella, your dearly devoted old

schoolmate. Cruella de Vil. That's it. Cruella

de Vil, Cruella de Vil. If she doesn't scare

you, no evil thing will. To see her is to take

a sudden chill. Cruella, Cruella. She's like

a spider waiting for the... Roger, she'll hear

you. Let her in, Nanny. Anita, darling! How are

you? Miserable, darling, as usual. Perfectly

wretched. Who, Cruella? I don't... The puppies!

The puppies! No time for games. Where are the

little brutes? Oh, it'll be at least three weeks.

No rushing these things, you know. Anita, you're

such a wit. Here, dog. Here. Here, dog. Cruella,

isn't that a new fur coat? My only true love,

darling. I live... After all, is there a woman

in all this wretched world who doesn't? Oh, I'd

like a nice fur, but there are so many other

things. Sweet, simple Anita. I know, I know.

This horrid little house is your dream castle.

Of course you have your little spotted friends.

Ah, yes. Yes, I must say, such perfectly beautiful

coats. Won't you have some tea, Cruella? Now,

I've got to run, darling. Now, let me know when

the poppies arrive. You will, won't you, dear?

Yes, Cruella. Now, don't forget. It's a promise.

See you in three weeks. Cheerio. Cheerio, darling.

At first you think Cruella is a devil, but after

time has worn away the shock. You come to realize

you've seen her kind of eyes, watching you from

underneath a rock. You're no help, Rog. This

vampire bat, this inhuman beast, she ought to

be locked up. And never released The world was

such a wholesome place until Cruella, Cruella

de Vil Oh, Roger, you are an idiot. I think when

she was, I know she definitely was in our animated

character list. And again, like, talking about

evil, like, someone who just loves killing puppies.

Like, that's like her thing. She just wants to

kill puppies. So, it's like, you gotta, I mean,

if you're raking, yeah, if you're gonna, yeah.

And in a Disney movie, I mean, yes, she was in

a novel too, but like in a Disney movie, like

that's, that's her goal. And also, we gotta make

a list by the end of this of the most villainous

acts. That's pretty villainous. Yeah. Steve,

what do you think of Cruella de Vil coming in

here right around the midway point? She's a politician

and a business person put in one. So, I mean,

you know. How does it get more evil than that?

DJ, so far, Captain Hook, Jafar, and now Cruella

de Vil. Is that the right order? I think so.

I mean, Cruella de Vil is so evil, okay? The

character in the movie designs a song around

how evil she is. He's like, I got to make a song

about this woman. This woman is fucking evil.

All right, Cruella Littleville. He's making fucking

songs about her because he knows of Rip. This

girl is evil. Look at her. Just look at her.

If you take the look aside, the fact that she

is smoking that. pink panther long cigarette

and blowing smoke in people's faces and then

on top of it i just want your puppies to make

a coat the most vain deplorable act ever it's

like i want to murder a baby so i can wear their

put their clothes on my christmas tree it's like

the most craziest disney villain if you're thinking

of disney villains who do evil things this has

to be top three for me it's so Despicable, especially

in a world where puppies are like, you know,

people care more about puppies getting harmed

than actual people. We asked the question if

maybe Mr. Hyde was the crescendo of classic literary

villains. Matt, is Cruella de Vil the crescendo

of Disney film villains? I mean, crescendo. No,

I think we'll see more Disney villains, but I

think this is probably the most. villainous.

Go back to what I was saying before. Nobody in

Disney movies is skinning puppies and making

codes. Sorry. She's like the leather face of

Disney at this point. She's the leather face

of puppies. Imagine hanging a puppy on a hook.

She's the leather face of puppies. That's perfect.

That's the only way I can really think. Her name

is Cruel Devil. Cruel Devil! What's her name?

I'm sorry, you called Cruella DeVille all day.

Cruel Devil. It's Cruel Devil, that's true. It's

true, these are facts. She drives over a ledge

to run somebody over, but she misses and kills

herself. That's evil. That's evil. But did she

really die? Maybe not. Glenn Close played her

in a movie. She's the leading candidate so far

for the most villainous name, at least. At least

that much. One thing I'm learning as we go through

this is apparently villains that appeared in

films that were not the 80s and 2000s are always

based on novels and things like that. So apparently

the 80s and 2000s was the only two eras where

villains from films were like... created originally

for that work because we have another one that

originated in a novel first here at number 53

and that would be max katie um obviously famously

played by robert de niro etc in film version

but appeared in the novel first so uh max katie

number 53 dan what do you think we will we talked

about especially bob and um you know and He obviously

had a great, one of the best episodes of The

Simpsons when he basically does a huge homage

to that character. And don't forget that there's

what, he's been portrayed in film twice, if I'm

not mistaken. Yes, Robert Mitchum as well, yeah.

Yes. Yeah, which I've never seen his portrayal.

I've seen, you know, I saw the Scorsese film

and like, man. De Niro can be – it's like he

took what he did in Taxi Driver and removed any

good qualities of that character had, and then

that's Max Cady. He's just like – he is a freak.

He is just – especially people who love movies,

being a jerk in a movie theater makes him especially

evil. That shouldn't be the worst thing he does,

but it's certainly up there. But yeah, I've never

read the book, but my inclination was going to

the 90s film that he was in, so my ranking of

him was based solely on that. But it's certainly

a villain where you can understand why we've

seen so many different versions of him. That

complete maniac that goes after that all -American

family and just causes havoc just because he

can. Yeah, 44 % of the list. So that means we

had Gus Fring, Bowser, and then Jigsaw and Max

Cady as far as the most representation. DJ, what

do you think about Max Cady coming in here? Again,

right around the halfway point. Yeah, he's one

of those ones. I mean, that score, Scorsese's

direction, walking literally into the camera.

We've been talking about characters comeuppance.

The way Robert De Niro does it in the Scorsese

version freaks me out every time because it's

kind of like... Spoiler alert, the boat is sinking,

and the last thing you see is him glaring at

Nickelodeon. It's just so scary. This is a prime

example of, hey, just do your job. Don't F anybody

over, because you never know. A person has nothing

to lose, and it's just going to focus all their

attention on destroying your life. That is more

frightening than any monstrous creature from

a... the abyss because the person is just going

to be following you and he's coming after your

daughter in this creepy lolita sort of way juliet

lewis and him they have this weird creepy thing

going on it's it's frightening and max can he

be on this list i'm glad he's this high i think

he's right where he needs to be too Yeah, about

six of us had him in the 50 or 60 range. So a

lot of people in agreement here probably with

where he shows up on the list. We have our first

tie of today's episode in the last two picks.

So 52 and 51 are tied, and I can't think of two

better characters to be tied with each other.

So coming in at number 52, I'm also interested

to see what kind of reaction we're going to get

from this. This may be exposing a slight bias

of the network. We'll see. Number 52, I guess

you can call this originating in the source as

far as a toy, maybe? Let's go with Cobra Commander.

36 % of the list, all the way up to number 6

on one person's list, 8 on another person's list.

36 % of people say Cobra Commander is top 100

worthy. This is the world, Mr. Treff. Everything

is for sale. Matt, what do you think? Cobra Commander.

Oh, man. We've had this argument, DJ, about which

Cobra Commander you like better. Do you like

the hooded Cobra Commander? Faceplate all day,

baby. I'm all about the hood. Because that's

more evil. A hood is more evil than a faceplate.

See, I like the battle armor. The battle armor

is also cool. cool but he's essentially i mean

you see how much of like a punk ass he is when

he meets serpentine serpentine so so but he's

still a very awesome villain for the entire joe

crew and everything like that he's the voice

like you get a lot of that everything my boot

baroness oh yes easily i mean he's just like

that kind of he's up there with dr claw for me

a little bit in terms of the voice uh but he's

always loses all the time which is cool you know

that's kind of what a villain does in the cartoons

at least but uh he's iconic on cobra commander

is an iconic villain through and through. I always

feel bad for Serpentor and Destro and all these

other guys because they always get left in the

dust. It's all just Cobra Commander. Because

Cobra Commander's dope! Destro's like, yo, I

got a metal face too, what up? Nah, nah, nah,

son, nah, son. Did you show up on Transformers

the Animated Series? No, I did. So Steve, we

had Starscream back at whatever, number 88. 88,

and now we have Cobra Commander at 52. What do

you think? I love the fact that Chris Lotta makes

a return. Especially with that iconic voice and

the fact that everyone seems to forget, although

Serpentor did dispatch Cobra Commander, Cobra

Commander did dispatch Serpentor. It just took

until the Sunbow series to take him out. He was

a genius. He was a genius. Another character

that's been around for a long time, you know,

multiple, multiple G .I. Joe cartoon series,

obviously a movie, I guess, and some other things.

So, I mean, he's he's had the staying power since

1982. He's still showing up in things. So there's

just a series of what, like two or three years

ago that had him. So interesting. We'll continue

the conversation going with Cobra Commander as

we get into our next pick. So if you haven't

had a chance to comment, you can comment here

when we revealed the number 51 pick who Cobra

Commander was tied with. Why? Because Cobra Commander

was on 36 percent. of the list, and this character

was on 44 % of the list. And that would be Skeletor.

Silence, you little bag of wind! So, a double

animated, 80th animated villain character here

going with Cobra Commander and Skeletor. So,

DJ, what do you think? Did we get them in the

right order? I mean, I guess they tied, technically.

I love Skeletor because I've been doing Skeletor

voice since I was a little kid. I think I love

Cobra Commander a little bit more because it's

Chris Lauda and Chris Lauda's awesome. Skeletor.

Think about Skeletor. And I love the original

anime series. I'm doing the Geico commercials

with it now. But there was the cartoon that I

talk about to Matt all the time. The Cartoon

Network version of Skeletor is a Skeletor I loved

because he was a badass. I like Frank Langella.

Well, you like Frank Langella. I'll be back.

I like the Cartoon Network one because he would

not retreat. He wasn't as sniveling. And he would

kind of Hang with he man. You're gonna be a pretty

badass if you're hanging with He -Man, okay?

Cobra Commander had, like, an army, you know

what I'm saying? He's going against another army.

It's Skeletor and, like, a bunch of flunkies

versus the strongest being in the universe. And

he's hanging with them. So, yeah, Skeletor is

awesome, but I think I would have kept Cobra

Commander a little bit higher, because Cobra

Commander has... He's just so cool. Now, if you're

going with how they ranked when we did the 80s

villain GCR and Wars tournament, Skeletor...

destroyed cover commander and went head to head

with with generation one megatron so i think

it's because i think a skeletor can fight and

cover commander doesn't really get down like

that he's more of an order he's like yeah i can

understand it but he's just just this i think

the manipulative sniveling guys are more interesting

to me than you know though i did like the fact

that skeletor in the cartoon network version

wasn't like a retreater he'd be like okay well

I don't give a damn if it's He -Man. I'll fight

him. And there's always a shot of He -Man doing

some crazy feat, and it is cut to Skeletor, and

he has the mouth agape like... What the fuck?

I've always loved that about him. And that voice.

That he -man. That stuff is awesome. So, yeah.

I think two characters are going to be tied on

this list. I think these are the proper two characters

to be tied because they're both awesome. It was

destined. It was your fate. I can't believe it

came out like that. Dan, have we gone off the

rails or what's going on here? I don't believe

this. Neither do I. I think it's a sign of things

to come. We got all the literature, kind of classic

characters out of the way. Let's kind of get

deep into the geekdom. As we get into the other

half of this list, I think we're going to see

a lot more repeats of this. Really not expected

to finish with Skeletor and Cobra Commander considering

where we started. I just want to see some sort

of graph or like Venn diagram of all these characters

and seeing how that, I can only imagine what

that looks like. The only question for me is

when they finally do a new live action He -Man,

who plays Skeletor? So that's what I want the

fans to let me know. We did an episode where

I recast it on our podcast a couple years back,

but I don't even remember who I put as Skeletor.

Yeah, well, he does have the word make -up. He's

fun. He's fun. And I'm still pushing for Hemsworth

as He -Man, so I don't know. All right, so Cobra

Commander and Skeletor ending the countdown.

So that's it for the reveals today. Just real

quick, going around the horn, Steve. We were,

again, all over the place with classic literary

villains, two Shakespeare, two Simpsons, two

Robert Louis Stevenson characters, two 80s action

characters to end the day, Frieza thrown in there.

I mean, we finally got a comic book character

with General Zod, two horror characters with

Jigsaw and Pinhead. What do you make of today's,

Steve? Well, I was happy to see that I had about

seven characters show up in this episode, but

it was a little bit different getting this. It's

still a crazy grab bag, and it's kind of got

me worried about what's going to come up in the

last two. But I can't see that having that many

literary classics left to fill up the tournament

here in the top 100. So I think that... We're

going to end up seeing a lot of iconic characters

start popping up between the next two episodes,

whether it be something from, say, Terminator

or something, or more superhero -type comic -related

series villains. But yeah, there's still quite

a few that haven't been touched that are severely

iconic and will be sad if they don't show up.

Yeah, another thing that comes around here now

that we've reached the halfway point is at the

beginning there's 100 spots, there's a lot of

characters to talk about, and now those spots

keep becoming fewer and fewer, and there's less

chance of people sneaking in and snagging one

of those spots. So that's where some people kind

of get a little bit nervous on will characters

appear or not. We already had two number ones

fall in today's episode. Matt, what was the most

surprising thing for you today? I mean, looking

at the list, it's almost an extension to the

first quarter of the 100 list, where it's still

a pretty wide open race. It's kind of the Wild

West when it comes to this second quarter of

the top 100. But I think now you're going to

start seeing the dominoes start to fall with

comic book characters, horror characters. I think

this is kind of the last hurrah for literary

characters and Shakespearean characters. Yeah,

I mean, I like the fact that the top or the bottom

50 are kind of a grab bag. I like the fact that

people are kind of thinking a little bit outside

the box and not just going with what they know

all the time. So it's going to be a way more

interesting conversation. Maybe not way more

interesting, but it's going to be one of those

things like, yeah, I agree, I agree, because

you're going to get into the top 50 and be like,

oh, yeah. Where was that person in the other

half of the countdown? So you're going to start

getting into much more familiar territory, I

think, coming up in the next top 50. But I like

the list so far. It's a fun list where people

are thinking outside the box a little bit. Yeah,

I think that's one thing that's been the most

fun so far. AP English class all the way, man.

Come on. Right. I think one thing that's been

fun, especially about this countdown, it's just

the complete unknown about where people were

going to go with this, and it has been interesting

to see which route they took. DJ, if you had

to look at today and, say, pick one character

that deserves to be top 50, who would that have

been that deserved to be on the other side of

the mark? Cobra Commander. Oh, look at you. You

gotta understand, man. I grew up with Megatron

and Cobra effing Commander, okay? And Megatron

was kind of like, you know, delegating, and the

Cobra Commander had style, man. He had the faceplate.

He had the faceplate. But, yeah. Coming away

from all of this, I think I would just say you

win books, alright? I'm wrong. I think I'm packing

it in. People read. People apparently read, and

because books has a... taken so many of these

spots, I think a lot of the characters that we

might have thought are going to be on this, at

least I would have thought would have been in

the top 50, might not even be on this list, which

is surprising to me, because if you would have

told me, you know, this top 100 villains of all

time list would have had Long John Silver on

here, I just wouldn't have expected it. I mean,

not saying he didn't deserve it, it's just, wow,

that means that somebody big from comic book

horror might have been given the shaft, I believe.

Yeah, so there might be some characters that

people thought were shoe -ins that aren't even

going to make it. Dan, another thing that happens

sometimes around this point is people try to

predict the rest of the list, or people try to

start putting their top tens together now that

they've seen what's fallen. Is that going to

be an easy task with this one, or is it going

to be kind of what Matt was alluding to, where

it's just like, yep, yep, yep, as far as when

we get closer to the top? I have no idea, honestly.

It's hard to really say, because, you know, we're...

I'm not surprised we saw some Shakespeare characters.

I'm surprised about how many and which ones we've

seen. So I think, yeah, there's a good 25 characters.

I feel like I'm pretty certain, maybe not even

that many, 10, 15. And I feel like, yeah, they're

definitely going to be there. But outside of

that, I really don't know. We've only gotten

one comic book villain and not that many TV villains

so far either. couple 80s villains we had Starscream

but does that mean there's more to come I feel

like that's a good sign of what we're about to

see but I really don't know it's hard to say

because you know like some people said like did

we hit the crescendo with some and then there's

the other question is this just the tip of the

iceberg so it's will the trends continue and

will we just continue to see more classic villains

or like DJ alluded to will we just see all horror

villains and comic book villains the rest of

the way I don't know. Like it's, it's, I mean,

I know because I've seen the list, but the rest

of you guys don't. So I'm interested to see what

some reactions we have to some of the characters

left. So, you know, obviously we encourage you

guys to go to the website right now and comment

on what you've seen so far. What did you like?

What did you dislike? We like, you know, hearing

all the people telling us that, you know, this

person deserved to be here there and we got the

order wrong, et cetera. We like those conversations.

So definitely let us know on the website and

we'll interact with you there. I think almost

all of us DJs. Steve, myself, Dan, I can't remember

if you did or not, but we all have responded

to a few of the comments on the website. So definitely

keep those going because we enjoy that. And there's

still those Facebook matchups, too. If you want

to go scroll through the last couple of weeks

of our Facebook posts on Geekcast Radio, you

can comment on some of the individual matchups

we put up there, too, because, hey, maybe some

of those are characters that we might see here

in the top 50. So, DJ, Matt, any last thoughts

about the top 100 so far and what are you looking

forward to next week? I think we're going to

have one more 80s cartoon villain on this list,

and I think Steve might be happy about who it

is. That's DJ's prediction. Steve, final thought?

I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what

pops up on the next episode. I don't think it'll

just be an 80s villain. I think he may be also

a conclusive 90s and current villain, so we'll

just have to kind of... Wait and see. I have

my suspicions. Dan, do you know who you're putting

your money on as far as the pools and the bets

in Vegas as far as what shows up at number one?

Mandalay Bay. Number one, I have no idea. I mean,

I thought we'd see more. Yeah, I don't know.

I'm going to guess. Jeez, here we go. I have

no idea. Vaughn is bookie. He's Vaughn is bookie.

I'm going to go with Squarepants. There. Who's

the villain in Romeo and Juliet? Maybe it's going

with that. Captain America. All right. Love was

the villain. You'll have to wait. We'll reveal

it here shortly in a few episodes, so you'll

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