Top 100 TV Shows Countdown – Part 5 – Finale

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100 TV shows countdown I am one of your hosts

TFG or Mike joining me is optimus solo and hard

candy Mandy. Hello Hello Blue revolt Dan. Hello

as again It's going and trying to be DJ V from

wait, which show are you from? I don't remember

Simplistic reviews podcast. That's me. I'm the

guy in the back Okay, there we go. There we go.

And this is the finale night. This is our top

100 TV shows finale. We've got several topics

that we're gonna be breaking down. We're actually

going to be going over our personal top 10 lists

that we, part of our top 100 list that we submitted

for the overall list. We're gonna go over and

explain why we had, what we had, where we had

it. Steve Megatron is off in Infomercial land

somewhere not sure what happened to him. But

yeah, so Dan, where do we want to start? Oh It's

good question Well, let's start with just kind

of going over some basic statistics of the of

the list to kind of have an idea where you know

where the overall list stands some things to

consider like we're What decades fared better

what networks and all that good stuff? And I

guess I'll start by throwing out this question

you guys, you know, we went through the list

But I don't know. I know Kevin knows this information

but At a first glance if you were gonna say what

decade had the most TV shows. What do you think

it would be? I'm gonna I'm gonna refrain from

answering By decade, I mean the decade in which

the first the show first debuted Oh, I'm going

to say 90s. Yeah, probably the 90s most likely

it was quite close 19 it was 1990s with 24 shows

debuted in 1990s 21 shows debuted in the OTS.

Is that what they call it now? 18 shows this

to show you within the last 2010 to 2015 18 shows

for their 15 shows in 1980 six shows from 1970s

10 shows from the 1960s and six shows from the

1950s so on that same note any idea what network

and I will say one network overall pretty much

not dominated but had a had much more than any

other network Let's see. Yeah, I'll probably

have to go NBC as well. FX? No, I don't think

so. Well, it had five shows, but no, you guys

are again right. It was NBC with 23 shows. The

closest to NBC was, let me take a look here,

was actually... AMC? CBS with The Old Folks Network.

with 15, ABC had 14, HBO had nine, Netflix had

three, Syndicated had one, or sorry, Syndicated

had two. Like I said, Fox had nine shows. CW,

which I combined, CNW, CNWB. We didn't have any

UPN shows, shocker. Well, Buffy was kind of on

UPN for a little while. Yeah, I kind of combined

those all into one for CW, and there was four

of those shows. And PBS had one show. And BBC,

the British broadcasting channel, had three shows.

We had like four or five from Comedy Central,

I think, too. Six from Comedy Central. Six, okay.

So just an idea there and also broke it down

by number of seasons like how many shows had

how many seasons? Any idea how many TV what shows?

I don't even know how to phrase this but the

average or the typical the most amount of seasons

a show had like You're talking about the like

which what was the most common length? Yeah,

the most common repeated number. I'm gonna say

seven seasons That's just a complete guess though

Let's see five. I'm going five Yeah, I'll go

with six just in case well It was Kevin was right

on the money was seven seven seasons had 12 shows

with seven seasons five shows with 11 11 shows

with five seasons and 12 shows with separate

with Sorry, 12 shows with seven seasons and 10

shows with six seasons. The longest running show

on the list, any guesses? Simpsons. Sesame Street.

Sesame Street. Oh yeah, I forgot about Sesame

Street. With 46 seasons. Then comes... It's older

than everybody on this podcast. Yes, then comes

Saturday Night Live. It's older than Roger Moore.

But yeah, that's some random statistics there.

I also, I did, for those that don't know, I kind

of ran the list again with using a different

metric where instead of kind of counting the

amount of points, I went with what is called

the limited rank or the average score. So basically

where everyone ranked it, I had to have at least

five people vote for it. And then the average

of where they ranked it within their top 100.

And I then ranked it based upon that. Did seem

some major changes there. So what what that does

though? It basically gives you more points for

being higher ranked rather than With what's the

way we currently have it which kind of gives

you more points for more lists and things like

that So it also also kind of eliminates the the

factor if you aren't voting on shows that you

haven't seen So it doesn't penalize a show for

just not being seen Exactly, exactly. So it didn't

majorly change our list. Well, and some things

stay the same, some things majorly changed. Our

top 10 would be completely different if we did

it that way. Ranking off of that, number one

would be Breaking Bad, then Seinfeld, then The

Wire, then Shears, then Sipsense. And then Mr.

Robot. Money, prithons, Flying Circus, and then

The Daily Show. And I Love Lucy would make the

top 10 in that rank. Some interesting things

about that is that a lot of shows wouldn't actually

not be in the top 100 whatsoever. For example,

Louie, How I Met Your Mother, Modern Family,

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Scrubs, 30

Rock, Kids in the Hall. Also, Flash would not

make it within the top 100 doing it that way.

But Agents of Shield still would? Yeah, wait

a second. Hold on here. Wait a minute. Agents

of Shield. The only superhero shows that would

make the list would be Daredevil and Arrow, oddly

enough, if we did it that way. So that would

eliminate a lot of those shows. But it would

also eliminate any Griffith and a few other shows

as well But a lot of the modern comedies would

have been knocked off the list basically what

we saw a lot of With doing it that way because

what that tells you is a lot of people had those

shows on their list But not a lot of people had

them very high Which is kind of why a lot of

them ended up making a list over a lot of classic

shows The ironic thing for me out of this whole

thing, and I just realized this right after we

had recorded the bottom part of the 50, when

we came to Arrow and it came in at 52, that's

exactly where I had it. One thing to consider

too, if we did it that way, what shows would

be best impacted that way? What shows would have

the greatest impact on? And two shows that would

have a big impact on wanted to make it to the

list either way, which would be Through East

Company and Last Week Tonight. But the next one,

which is quite interesting, CSI would go from

not making the list to being number 16. Yes!

Oh my god. That was my number one. Angel would

go from not being on list to being number 47

Miami Vice would make the list The Vernon Shirley

a few other the facts of life would make the

list Golden Girls would be higher Perry Mason

would make the list. Gunsmoke would be higher.

Golden Girls would be higher is a funny sense.

They would be. They would be baked out of their

mind. WKRP in Cincinnati would make the list.

Boy Meets World would make the list as well.

Made the list but actually would be higher. It

would be within the top 15. So to show you that

so I think you know, so there's a give and take

there There's some benefits to it and there's

some negative impact as well So because it does

it does eliminate the and not penalize the shows

for not being seen but it also heightens some

biasness maybe that could show up in a heightened

fashion yeah for like and what I did too is like

any show that had less than five I didn't count

because There were also a number of number ones

that didn't make the list this time, which I

don't think that happened in previous top 100s,

but we had a few this time around. Mike knows

very well because his number one did not make

the list with Nash Bridges and also. the number

one okay we're not at that we're not at the point

yet where we reveal our overall top 10 and discuss

why we have them where we have them but i'll

go ahead and say now for me personally nash bridges

and the shield are my two favorite cop shows

of all time. And I know how the point system

works. The higher you rank something, the more

points it gets. So just like Kevin said a couple

of weeks ago, when he put Cosby show wherever

he put it, you know, to get, you know, to get

it on the list. That's exactly what I did with

my number one. And hey, it didn't work fine.

Whatever. Some of the number ones that didn't

make the list. Friday Night Lights. Not taking

a look the prisoner also was number one for as

well. So Smallville was number one for a person

So there was a number of number ones that didn't

make the list this time around because with we

had more list this year We had 29 lists in the

last two years. We had we had only 20 lists So

that nine extra lists made it kind of difficult

for a show to make it That's why you saw a lot

a lot of shoes that no people were aware of or

like were popular enough I think especially within

the the bottom half of the top 50 where a lot

of the modern shows tended to dominate because

People are more aware of them. They may have

had more access to them or they're more in the

know where some of them are Classic shows are

easy to forget. Forget are we even doing the

top 100 a minute? You know, some people mentioned

missing to put honeymooners or Twilight Zone

or not putting other classic like Cosby on that

list are high enough So I think that's why we

saw a huge bias or a huge influx of no modern

shows is because it's it's it's easier to forget

something that you haven't really talked about

in the last 20 years or so so I think that's

probably best evident if you I know we gave the

decade stats but think think of it another way

too if you go from the year 2000 to the year

until current so just those fit last 15 years

that composed 39 % of our list if you take the

first 40 years from 19 the 50s 60s 70s and 80s

it was only 37%. So you have 15 years at 39%,

you have the first 40 years at 37%. So really

a lot of strength in those last 15 years. But

yeah, so that's some interesting statistics there.

But I also could, I don't know if you guys wanted

to go over too, I can go over some of the shows

that just barely missed the top 100. Yeah, I

think that's great. Maybe the 10 that just missed

it or 15 or whatever. Sure. Let me pull those

up real quick. So coming in at, I'll start with

one 10. What's actually Conan, the TBS Conan

show. And there was a question on I think the

message boards or something like that regarding

like, because Conan has like three different

shows. I did separate them. So some people voted

for his TBS show. Some people voted for the Tonight

Show. Some people voted for his Late Show. So

they were all separated. Voted based upon that

so that could be why some of his shows didn't

get higher, but I think his late show was the

best Yeah, yeah, definitely One 109 was police

squad 108 in living color 107 murder she wrote

106 axi 105 CSI 104 boardwalk Empire 103 the

king of the hill 102 the league and 101 tales

from the crypt just barely it had 393 points

and saved by the bell had 394 points. So wow,

it was rather quick. It was rather close. So

pretty similar shows. Yeah, they're basically

the same. They both have a crib keeper. Have

you seen Mr. Belding lately? And I'm sure since

Amanda would like to know Family Matters is 114

on the list. That was my number one favorite

show that did not make the list. And Colombo,

I know some people asked about that, Colombo

was 111. It actually only missed the list by

about 20 points. So one person listing it would

have made the top 100. So if you didn't list

it, it's your fault. So do you want to move over

we talked about we already talked about it already

So maybe even make sense to kind of transition

transition to that. It's kind of go over You

know what we personally put for our top five

top ten and the mindset we had and explaining

You know why we did what we did. Absolutely,

but first these messages Hello friend, that's

lame, maybe I should give you a name But that's

a slippery slope you're only in my head we have

to remember that Shit, it's actually happened.

I'm talking to an imaginary person What I'm about

to tell you is top secret a conspiracy bigger

than all of us There's a powerful group of people

out there that are secretly running the world

I'm talking about the guys. No one knows about

the guys that are invisible The top 1 % of the

top 1%, the guys that play God without permission.

And now I think they're following me. Moonlights

with Mr. Munson's taxicab on Saturdays. Hey,

Mom, when's Daddy coming home? Well, in his own

words, when he's GD ready. Myself. Something

tells me any second now. Isn't that sweet, Michael?

She feels it in her heart. No, I hear it at the

door. Hiya, Daddy. Hi, Arch. What's the matter

with you? Nothing. No hello? Even they said hello.

They said hi. But you said nothing. Well, I was

gonna say good evening. Oh, skip it. Will you

skip it? I've learned to expect nothing but aggravation

from you anyhow. It's almost seven, Daddy. You're

late. He's always late. Except after coffee in

the morning. Six minutes later to the second,

watch out. And God forbid I'm in there shaving.

Listen, the workers in nature won't wait for

no deadbeat who takes all morning to shave. Hey,

I'm not knocking it. I think you're a marvel.

You know, I can even set my watch by how long

it takes you to belch after a bicarb. 22 seconds

exactly. Now listen, wise guy, you should have

such a constitution, huh? They'd have counted

you out already if you'd been in the accident

I was just in. Oh, that's it? Are you all right?

Yeah, no, no, they couldn't hate me, no. Well,

what happened? Well, it was this pushy dame,

you know, the kind, the yentl. She plows into

the back of my cab. And I mean plow. Wham! All

them people, they're always rushing around, always

in a hurry, trying to get to a sale or something,

save four cents. What a tribe. Now, back to the

show. So I know when I was making my like my

top ten There's a lot of different ways of doing

it and we talked about this I think I don't know

if we talked about it on the podcast but when

I made my top ten like my thought was or when

I made my list in general was You know the few

things I ranked off of first and foremost was

like how great your show was I was like the number

one thing I considered was how great it was and

also back my mind I was thinking, you know if

I was just Provide my list as the main list or

promote it as like an article within itself.

Can I justify where I'm placing things? So that's

why I didn't do things like Or try not to do

things like place a show at a certain like strategic

point because I want to get it at a certain Like

for example, uh, you know, I really love the

office. It's one of my all -time favorite shows

And I wanted to make the list, but I didn't.

I ranked it, you know, not even in my top 20

because I don't think it deserves that ranking.

Like, I think it went based on how good I felt

the show was. So for my top 10 and some of these

we've already gone over. But I at number one,

I had the West Wing. I had two at two. I had

the wire three Twilight Zone for Seinfeld five

all in the family, six sopranos, seven. I love

Lucy. 8 Saturday Night Live, 9 Daily Show, and

10 Breaking Bad. And honestly, this is probably

the seventh or eighth version of my list. I did

it. I did it. I ranked it a few different ways.

I tried it by... Breaking it up by genre ranking

genre and then ranking it that way I tried by

just starting with a show and putting the show

like, okay, I think this one's better So it's

going above I think this one's worse. So it's

going below I did it by getting a list of different

shows and putting it into like, oh, this is a

top 25 show So it's in this category. This is

a top 50 show. So it's over here and I honestly

looking at my top 10. There's some things I probably

would change. Like I had all the family below

Seinfeld. I went back and forth on those a lot

because I wanted to wear what I put my best in.

My best sitcom, but so it it was it was a challenge

and I like like I said I think I could probably

do this again and it would be completely different

but uh Kevin what was kind of your mindset in

doing your top ten? I know we talked about it

a little bit, but you know, what was your list

and how did you come about it? Do you really

want me to try to explain that? Yeah I guess

I probably made my Thing a little more complicated

than it needed to be what I guess my main Thing

that I was going for is I was trying at least

at first to remove as much biasness and Personal

taste as I could to try to be as objective as

possible So first I just tried to get like what

kind of facts What kind of data do I have out

there that would maybe? lend to a show possibly

being worthy because I didn't want to miss something

that was just like Would have been stupid to

miss because this that or the other so I looked

at I did a point system And I gave different

amount of points based on how many seasons it

was on so it was kind of the longevity Argument,

I looked at you know critical acclaim through

awards whether it be Emmys or Golden Globes And

I was strictly just looking for best show like

best comedy best drama. I wasn't looking for

any of the kind of supplemental awards or those

types of things I looked at television ratings

as far as the Nielsen ratings go just to see

what was popular and that time and I'm not saying

any of those were worth more than the others

it was just to try to give me an idea of maybe

as far as like shows I'm not exposed to or shows

from the past to make sure I didn't forget any

of that stuff but I also did add to very much

subjective categories and one of them was just

my shows that I personally enjoyed personally

liked beyond just, hey, this is a fun show, but

stuff that I really got invested into. And then

I also made probably the most important category

for me was uniqueness. You can look at that in

a bunch of different ways, whether it be creativity,

whether it be, you know, not as many shows were

like that, or at least up to that point hadn't

been, regardless of if they got copied or cloned

later on. So I kind of added those, formulated

all that into a point system and got my rankings.

And then kind of like you, Dan, I did a little

bit of an eye test and we would kind of go. a

little bit into the groups and say, do I really

feel like this should be in this group of 10

or should I bump it down or up a little bit?

So I did kind of adjust things on a personal

level, but the main reason I was doing all the

points system was so I did not forget or just

completely brush over something that should have

at least gotten attention. Not saying that all

the ones that got the most points made my list.

There were some that I bumped off because I wasn't,

I was... you know adamant that they don't show

up on my list but at least it made me aware of

which shows were were on that kind of level in

that system so that's kind of how i did it what

i ended up with is i ended up with the cosby

show at number one all in the family at number

two star trek the next generation at three law

and order er murder she wrote i love lucy mash

cheers and seinfeld were my top 10 DJ discover

over to I know when a few years years come up

I think you mentioned you kind of went based

upon the way that show impacted you if I wasn't

not yeah Yeah, I was I took mine more of a person

because when you guys first told me about I was

okay Well, give me the list of all the shows

ever and I was okay I'm just gonna circle all

the shows that I really really love and then

I kind of after I did that I was okay Would I

be proud to hold this up? As one of my top ten

and I mean for my first my first two my one and

two I they are mainly based on quality But I

think after that I kind of got more into stuff

that influenced me stuff that I love stuff that

I Hold up as one of my favorite shows out there

and that are different than you know I mean because

I have like mystery science theater 3000 and

mr. Robot in my top ten which are completely

I want to say original takes on things As opposed

to like a traditional sitcom show that doesn't

mean a billion of those So yeah, I was kind of

more of a personal thing for me I was I was voting

with my heart not my head But the first two which

my first I don't know if we're giving up our

top five right now But my first one and two I

think or I would hold up against any show Yeah,

you can go ahead and give your if you want to

give your five or ten My first one was the wire

My second was Seinfeld. Third, this is where

I started getting a little personal for me, Married

with Children, then Mystery Science Theater,

then Justified because I grew up on Westerns

and I was force -fed at gunpoint Westerns and

Justified is one of the best modern Westerns

takes based on an Elmore Leonard book ever and

I'm a huge Elmore Leonard fan. Westwing was six,

Mr. Robot, which I've never seen a show like

this. probably 15 years maybe it's one of the

most original awesome shows out there seven Buffy

the Vampire Slayer 8 24 9 and Chappelle show

10 Amanda how about yourself? I think I had a

little mix of personal and Things that I know

were just popular and quality shows that I had

to mix in there, but Really, this task was so

daunting. I had to enlist the genius of Kevin

and he just printed the list off me and, you

know, he kept handing me things and they're like,

okay, you know, 70 to 100 now. And it was similar

to what DJ was doing where you just had the whole

list and your first run through just kind of

circle all the shows that you think at least

you consider for top 100 and kind of see how

many you have and then start narrowing it down

was the approach we took. So I just went to town

with the highlighter and I definitely had some

personal flair to my list, but I definitely added

some some shows that I've never even seen but

I know are, you know, have a high regard. My

top ten, number ten I had American Horror Story,

number nine Dexter, eight Full House, seven Walking

Dead, six The X -Files, five Supernatural, four

Game of Thrones, three Law and Order, two Saturday

Night Live, and number one was CSI. So most of

your top ten made it. And number two was number

one, so. Yeah. My number one didn't make it.

I was really shocked about that. There's so many

spinoffs of CSI. There's so many episodes. Seen

so much of the show. It's ridiculous. It seems

like it's always on just like law and order but

I think my top ten had definitely an Amanda feel

but No, I didn't want to make a fool of myself,

so I put it at least at a reasonable in between

row to number five. Mike, last but not least,

how about yourself? Looking at my top 10, I have

shows from the 80s to the 2000s in my top 10.

Like I said earlier, with my number one and number

two, I did it solely for points to make sure

they got on the list. Um, but these are the shows

because I, because we've done this three times

now, we've done it with animated series, animated

films, and now this, because I know my list is

going to just go into a giant lottery ball and

be mixed in with everybody else's. And that's

how we get the overall list that we've presented

to people. I mainly had my top 10 out of shows

that I absolutely love for the most part. And

I think they do deserve to be on a top 100 somewhere,

not necessarily in the overall top 10. I had

The Flash at number 10. Don't care what anyone

says, that show is awesome. Cold Case at number

9, Dharma and Greg at number 8, Mad About You

at number 7, Boy Meets World at number 6, the

A -Team, Airwolf, Knight Rider are my 5 through

3, and then the Shield and Nash Bridges are my

2 and 1. I think only one of my 80 shows did

not make the top 100 which is air wolf. I don't

think everyone. I don't remember air wolf. I

was talking about it. Yeah You were the only

one to go for it. It's more than crying somewhere

Yeah, Jim Michael vinson somewhere crying Yeah,

alex cord's tears are coming through that through

that eyepatch But for me like I know Knight Rider

like the back of my hand I did a whole podcast

on the entire show reviewed every episode whatever

with the a team I remembered it, but it was one

of those things where I still needed to go back

and rewatch it. And I've been rewatching it and

DJ knows this because I tag him on Twitter every

time I'm watching an episode half the time now.

Every, every random time I'll get some kind of

text message, which will be a line from Face

or Hannibal. I'm like, ah, this is a good day.

The A Team is such a classic 80s show. It is

probably the single best team up show. that has

ever been on television when it comes to those

guys because their personalities are all so different

yet they work together so well and there's moments

in that where you just don't expect it like the

one where um they have to save the um the the

foreign guy who helped them out over in Vietnam

and he's like oh I made fortune cookies classic

family recipe and he leaves and Hannibal opens

the fortune and they ask him, well, what's it

say? I love it when a plan comes together and

you see that on the cookie and you hear BA just

groan. It's absolutely hilarious. I'm really

surprised Mad About You did not make, even in

like the 90s, you know, part of the countdown.

That show started out as a comedy, but it eventually

turned into an emotional drama. With everything

that happened in those in those eight or nine

seasons for that show, but yep, that's my top

ten I actually really like cold case files. I

think that's something that I didn't didn't rank

because I didn't know what the popularity of

it was but that's that's one I do agree with

you on Mike. I think that that show It's one

that I think it takes that cop drama feel and

kind of puts a little spin on it and it definitely

is an emotional ride too. The sad thing about

cold case is it'll probably never... Ever get

a complete series DVD set and the one reason

why is Because of all the licensed music they

used in the show don't get me wrong I love watching

any of those episodes and hearing whatever song

that fits that episode and Remembering whatever

song that might be but sadly because of all the

licensed music in the show I don't think they'll

ever get it on DVD in a complete series set which

really sucks because that is a damn good show

Yeah, I mean well you kind of go back back to

the the listing thing I think it's what happens

to is that the danger of the I'm gonna list this

here because this is where I want I want it to

be on the list is If everyone does that I think

that's when you get things like the flash being

up as high as it is or Arrow being up as high

as it is or daredevil being a top 20 show is

that Don't know you never know what other people

are gonna vote for and you might think okay Well,

everyone's gonna have I literally seen the top

ten So I'm not gonna put that in the top ten,

but then no one does so then it ends up being

a top ten show So I think I mean I understand

that to a point but I think that's the danger

in that because you don't know what other people

are gonna do and I think that's kind of what

you saw with the list is that a lot of shows

that maybe people have had personal passions

for which I understand I get that You ended up

seeing a lot of people with you know, we're have

a lot of people with similar taste So a lot of

shows that maybe would not be a top 100 show

for like Time Magazine Would be for us like maybe

for some example like Briscoe County, Jr A show

that I did not expect for it to be on list, but

another people had it on their list So it made

it and that's something specifically I tried

not to do this time Like my my first personal

choice is not even in the top 20. So I tried

personally that Not to do that, but I think it's

unavoidable with with people to You know as they

kind of know how the system works to try to game

it a little bit I've done it before so yeah,

I yeah, I definitely understand it I mean it

may impact for example like I might I can't say

never impact anything I did because there might

be a show like I don't know like a classic show

like the honeymooners that maybe I would put

higher because I Think maybe people might not

get it. So I think everyone does that in a certain

extent. It's impossible. It's the way it goes,

but Why don't we take another quick break real

quick, and when we come back we can discuss the

list itself. Shows we felt were too high, too

low, and shows we felt deserved to make the list,

but not. Kid? Yes, Michael? Just keep driving.

I don't know. Couple months before all this these

two wild ducks landed on my pool It was amazing.

They're from Canada or someplace and it was mating

season They had some ducklings My daughter's

friend was here to drive my daughter meadow to

school Meadow, your father with those ducks.

I know. The whole yard smells like duck food.

It's embarrassing. Girls, you gotta have more

than just cranberry juice for breakfast, all

right? You need brain food for school. Happy

birthday, handsome. Mwah! Thirteen. Yeah, he

doesn't act it. Shut up. The male and female

duck just made a home in your pool and did it.

Ew! Get out of here! You're so gross! Girls.

Mm -hmm? You want some of last night's shabu

-yadel? Get out of here with that fat. One bite.

How do you stay so skinny, Mrs. Soprano? Him

with those ducks. Let's dissect this frog list.

Oh, sorry Kermit Where's the dissection gonna

start Dan? Well, I guess we can start with I

mean Let's look at the list itself and we had

we talked about some of this in the podcast already

So I don't think we have to go in great detail

here But any any shows that jump out to you guys

that are you know? either way too high or maybe

didn't deserve to be on the list to begin with,

you feel like it should be off the list in any

way, shape or form. I know what Amanda's vote

is going to be. Bristol County Junior. Oh, gee,

I thought you were going to say Family Matters.

Off the list. We got to make spots first. We

got to make room before we put things on. You

got to take things off. So what are we taking

off? Well, if we're taking things off, agents

of shit. I mean, come on. I think you can look

in a couple different areas I think if you're

trying to find Maybe shows that landed that shouldn't

have and I think one of them is obviously the

before -mentioned superhero bias. I don't think

I think you can eliminate just about every single

superhero show we put on the list with maybe...

I'll give you Daredevil somewhere in the 90s,

but you can take Arrow, Flash, Agents of S .H

.I .E .L .D., even Batman 66 for me, and you

can take them all off the list. I think they're

great shows. I guess if we're making a strictly

geek list, they should make it, or if we're doing

sci -fi, fantasy, superhero -type stuff, obviously

they'd make it, but I think in this type of list,

none of them really deserve to be in the conversation,

and that would clear out the four or five spots

for us. That definitely one DJ I know you were

only on two of the shows but any lists or any

shows that you feel like Were listed any place

that you would maybe not consider for the list

I'm gonna go a little controversial here because

this is the show that I completely adored the

first season But I I think the second season

tarnishes it so much shouldn't be on this list

and that's true detective I love the first season

true detective second season the true detective

it In its anthology way Just it's not awful.

It's just so not the same quality of the first

season So for it to be a number was a 61 this

is like, oh man It's above it's above shows like

Alfred Hitchcock's presents in the Cosby show

a true detective again first season Matthew McGonaghey

Woody Harrelson amazing second season. It's just

so scatterbrained it It tarnishes where it were

it as a show. It should be way lower. If not

off this list, I think I Can I can see that I

did vote for it in my what I put it I put like

in the 80s I think Mainly because of that first

season it was it was It was so great like it

was like everything I could imagine TV being

that I felt like it I did deserve maybe shouldn't

all sample size small sample I mean if this second

this third season comes out and it knocks out

of the park then sure But right now it's if this

is baseball. It's got a great average 500 Yeah,

I guess the way I justified it was Ultimately

when I said like how great your show was what

was a level of greatness that you reached and

to me the first season of true detective I could

put against any season of any other TV show ever

in my opinion and Not many other TV shows that

you could put that towards I get that you know

longevity could be part of it for me longevity

isn't an issue especially with television because

a lot of shows are designed especially British

shows like Ricky Gervais that he never designs

a show to be longer than two seasons so you know

how he feels like a show should be in so and

sometimes shows Very rarely do a shirt does a

show that go beyond like usually five seasons

six seasons seven seasons at the most Usually

if you don't get many shows that have more than

solid seven seasons even Seinfeld which ended

on a high note It took a couple seasons to get

there. So I look at you know, where was your

peak? So that's why I did consider true detective

I could see the argument same thing with like

Fargo, which only had one season though It's

second season is getting much more praise than

that of It's the quality still up for Fargo.

Yeah, and I'm probably in the minority here,

but for Big Bang Theory to be anywhere above

30 Rock, Fresh Prince, The Shield, The Johnny

Carson Show. Again, I'm in the minority. I'm

not a fan of Big Bang Theory, and I know many

people are, but man, for that to be higher than

this, so much better. The Veep is like... 20

behind it This freaks me out a little bit I think

that brings up something too for me that is another

thing that I'm I kind of considered when I was

making my list is and I could have done this

based on the time period it came out or based

on the genre but I tried to eliminate as many

like shows as possible and just decide which

one stood out more above the rest for the most

part so for example I guess if you were looking

at the 80s and you're thinking about you know

you got a ton of sitcoms with growing pains and

facts of life and Charles in charge and who's

the boss and all those if there was one that

really stood out then fine I'll put that on my

list but then that automatically eliminated basically

the whole rest of the group and I'm not saying

that's necessarily 100 % what you did what you

would have to do but for me I just wanted to

kind of let the cream rise to the top and add

some more diversity. I think there was a couple

times where we didn't do that. And I think you're

touching on one of them with the modern comedies.

And I'm not saying that all these aren't good

shows, but... You have How I Met Your Mother,

it's always Sonny, 30 Rock, Big Bang, Community,

Modern Family, and Parks and Rec. So that's like

seven or eight sitcoms that all were in within

like a three -year period. Maybe they all deserve

it, but for me, I would have tried to figure

out which ones of those really stood above the

rest and kind of eliminated some of the other

ones. Same, I would have done the same thing

with some of the 90s companies. You know, we

have Fresh Prince, Home Improvement, Boy Meets

World, maybe one or two others. Like, which one?

No, I'm not saying, I'm saying figure out which

one. had something better more special than just

your you know cookie cutter sitcom which one

stood above those and maybe clear some space

for something else with the other ones i was

surprised actually that we didn't get some more

uh 90s sitcoms that wouldn't have made my list

but i was after seeing those i was expecting

to see like that 70s show everybody loves raymond

will and grace um so i guess i'm happy that there

weren't a bunch more but for me some of those

maybe were more unique than putting all The ones

that we had in there. So yeah, the issue with

that. I see though is that like I I get that

to a certain extent but Uniqueness, I'm not saying

it always works. I'm not saying it always works

like for maybe those modern comedies Maybe they

all do belong I can't judge that because I haven't

seen enough of them in it in their entirety I

mean I could I could understand something like

how I met your mother or you know Some of the

other ones like that do you know? They're like

how you met your mother and like I think we mentioned

this on the podcast and like modern family have

Kind of a similar audience are kind of going

for there than more kind of family family type

of sitcoms, but It's a hard thing to quantify

really because like comedy sets a big genre That

it's like to eliminate like, okay, so I'm putting

VEEP on the list But I'm not putting the office

on the list because they're also modern comedies

or Parks and Rec No, I think I'm what I'm talking

about is like the same time. Here's a good example

Like if we were doing animated series, I'm not

gonna put Family Guy Cleveland show American

Dad You know what I mean? Like, I wouldn't put

those on the list to begin with. No, no, I'm

just saying like those are so close to carbon

copies of each other that I, you know, I don't

think anybody would compare Veep with Modern

Family. I don't, I've never heard those comparisons.

So I'm more so talking when it's like almost

an identical show. But I guess they would compare

like Parks and Rec and The Office US or The Office

UK. And I would feel like. And in some cases

it's warranted, but in other cases. I just I

don't know if it's always warranted. I guess

is my point. I could I could see that I mean

like for the TGIF stuff, for example like Would

you put Perfect Strangers step by step? Right.

Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Hey, hey, you back

away from Sabrina the Teenage Witch. I would,

yeah. Stay away from Sabrina. She made my list.

She made my list. I'm just saying, for me personally,

when you only have a hundred spots, that's one

tactic you could use to try to add a little diversity

and maybe give some more credit for the more

unique take on stuff. And I'm not saying, like

I said, a lot of those modern comedies might

work. I haven't seen them, so I can't judge them.

But I'm thinking more so like especially like

in the 80s sitcoms. There were so many carbon

copies of each other That's like okay was one

doing something a little bit different that maybe

made it a little bit more stand out then i'll

put that one and i'll Shelve the rest in a yeah.

I mean, I definitely think diversity would be

beneficial for a list for sure but like I'm my

point was just that it's hard to I guess like

I would be hard for me to determine where where

to do that I mean certain ones are obvious like

we talked about but certain ones I would be Right.

It's almost like it would tend to like lead to

There'd be almost like a beneficial if you had

like a precursor Debate on you know 90s comedies,

which ones are the best and you have that discussion

and you really hammer it out and debate and argue

and go back and forth and then maybe you come

up with the cream of the crop I'm not saying

you have to do that But that's one thing because

I think you have another situation with the we

had like eight or eight or nine sketch comedies

as well And I think that's a little bit easier

for sketch comedies to kind of be unique and

diversify themselves a little bit. I think maybe

I would take a couple of them off because I don't

think they resonated as much for me. But, you

know, maybe... So which sketch comedies work?

I'd probably take Who's Line off and I'd probably

kind of go back and forth between Kids in the

Hall and maybe Arrested Development. I mean,

I like some of those, but I'm just saying maybe

if I'm considering some of the other ones. There

was another one that we had in peel Yeah, can

peel I would I think I would decide with putting

maybe keen peel on there take kids in the hall

off I don't know but I'm just saying like you

have yeah all those sketch comedies I personally

probably would have gone back to them back in

the day and put like a Jack Benny show or a Red

Skelton show in one of those spots just kind

of Yeah, I probably wouldn't have like looking

at it like kids in the hall. I like but I don't

know if it's I don't know if it's a top one under

the worthy and per se key appeal I like a lot

too, but I don't know I get that that one's a

I think a little bit more questionable like Chappelle

show I Definitely think it's those are I had

that one on yeah I mean, I think there are a

bunch of that are deserve and I'm just saying

maybe if you're trying to like Squeeze a few

more in and I guess me personally I'd knock Knight

Rider and a team off and because I personally

like a couple other 80s action shows But that's

just I know I'm in the minority on those two

Yeah, yeah. Your boy didn't even make it. Don't

even go there. I was thinking more so. I was

thinking MacGyver. No, MacGyver. He's a huge

MacGyver fan. So, Mike, moving over to you. What

are some shows that you made the list that you

think you would not include in the top 100? Obviously,

Agents of Shit. No matter how good it's gotten

now, those first two seasons suck. I don't think.

eliminating the superhero shows makes a difference

because none of them cracked the top 20. Daredevil

was at number 20. Okay, well, Daredevil was at

20. I'm not saying it makes a difference between

the spots. I'm just saying it opens spots for

maybe some of the shows that we might have missed.

Like I'm mad about you, like you said, I would

put mad about you in over those easily. Oh, yeah,

but I'm saying, like, if we're, you know, if

we're going by what you love to go by, which

is all time, you have to also include some of

the more modern shows. And we did. You know what

I mean? You know what I mean? It's a point where

everybody's like, oh, none of the superhero shows

should be on here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You know, they should. Even if they're in the

low 90s or 80s, they still - Right, but they're

in the low 90s and you take all the rest of them

off. No. You're wrong. I guess, Mike, why should

they? I understand the idea. I mean, it's a geek

list, it's a modern list, but I think there are

a lot of great geek shows that - Well, for example,

Mike, you listened to your top 10 and I wasn't

checking them, but I'm guessing that - Just off

memory that at least six of them were not on

the on the list so you wouldn't take You know

agents of shield or Arrow off of there to put

mad about you or to put one of those other shows

that didn't even make the top 100 on there No,

I would take stuff off like he and peel and whose

line and then stuff that I don't think belongs

on the list if I if I was doing it that way What

would you say like a show like keen peel doesn't

deserve to be on it, but a show like flash does

Because Flash is better, it's more entertaining

to me. But isn't that kind of like that? Have

you watched Key and Peel? I've cut a couple of

clips here and there, but it's not, again, it's

not entertaining. I've seen a few of the skits.

I don't laugh at it. I'd rather have in living

color in that place than Key and Peel. I guess

I don't know like the the idea that like the

superhero shows have to be on there I guess is

one I'm not saying they have to be I'm just saying

that everyone is saying they don't deserve to

be well I think they do deserve to be but what's

the argument for them to be on the list like

what? Beyond that I like them because that's

I mean like there's a lot of show would you you

know that you could say that what that's impossible

they're okay so the superhero shows specifically

you know specifically flash and daredevil I don't

like I love MacGyver I'm not saying it should

be on the list You know specifically with flash

and daredevil. They're two very well acted shows.

They have engaging storylines They have things

that keep you coming things that keep you guessing

But isn't that like that's an argument for to

be a good show That's not an argument for it

to be a top 100 show of all time To each their

own I guess that's kind of the way I look at

it like I do like Kevin mentioned like when you

eliminate looking at genre picking out. I think

that's important But I mean I didn't see a lot

of people like ground -wall support for something

like the Incredible Hulk show Which was very

critical you claimed at the time had impact certainly

as a culture made Lou Ferringo Into a star. I

mean what else could you do for a show? But I

think you can make an argument for a show like

that You can make an argument for what daredevil

kind of set the stage for with you know this

next chapter That's what I can see some of those

but I don't see what impact arrow or flash or

agents of shield Necessarily had even in their

own genre a little bit maybe but not when you're

considering I mean if you're talking we're talking

like top 100 shows of the last 10 years, 15 years,

then maybe they get in there. But we're talking

top 100 all the time. I don't necessarily see

how those would have some type of credentials

that would outweigh some of the other shows that

people were yelling at us for not having in our

top 100. Yeah. But Amanda, any shows that you

saw on the list that you would take off? I already

mentioned the Prisco County junior. I think sports

night. I didn't give a shit about that. Who's

lying? Questionable show, but I would agree with

you. I don't know if I was gonna take off a Sorkin

show. That's probably the one you're taking off

I'm also not a fan of the Daily Show or the Colbert

report, but I do understand why they're on the

show So not hating that there are why they're

on the list not hating for that But just I have

a severe distaste for them and also Monty Python.

I don't like you So hate all you want, hate all

you want. Unbelievable. You can't be friends

anymore, DJ. Unbelievable. Oh, we were friends?

We were friends? We were kind of excited. Wait.

So some shows that I would possibly take off

the list, and these are shows that I like, and

I was just thinking kind of along Kevin's point

where you were saying, like, you know, some of

the shows that kind of come together, and one

of those to me would be like Veep and Silicon

Valley, I think. I love both these shows, but

I would... I think Silicon Valley's only been

around for, it's only been around two seasons,

so I don't know if it's top 100 worthy yet. I

think, again, this is all time, so I love the

show. I actually did rank it, maybe that was

a mistake on my part, but I could see an argument

for not including that show. I do think Veep

has an argument, because it's been around a lot

longer when you look at things like the war season

it has. I mean, it's just one best comedy, so

I think it, there's more of a groundwork there

to say it has evidence that it would have more

of a... impact after it's gone we The one show

that became like the early show in the podcast

which was scrubs, which is a show. It was not

the biggest fan of Homeland I can show I really

like I did argue for it, but I do think like

it had one great season I don't know necessarily

if it's a show that would deserve being top 100.

It's arguably on there. I Was that like Boardwalk

Empire for me? Like I think it would work out

like one for me. I kind of got tired of that

Thing but they did have one great season and

a lot of like Stretching out the storyline stuff

homeland kind of that for me, too Yeah for the

record. I did have scrubs is one of the shows

I would remove but I didn't want to bring it

up I've gone back since we since the whole blow

up about that on the comments or anything else

I've gone back and I've watched like the first

three or four episodes of that show. It's okay

Find some of the jokes funny, but it's not I

don't I don't have the distaste for it. I just

looking at Other like I mean, I'm glad we have

some it's only one of two medical shows on the

on the list which was surprising surprising but

So those are we talked about agents of shield

already. I had that on my list that didn't belong

But anything else any other shows that we think

should be off the list before we get into things

We should be on the list or should be higher

than they were we hit all nine All right. All

right. Well Mike, let's start with you here because

I know you had a number of shows on your on your

list that didn't make it So what are the first

shows that come to your mind that should have

been on the list that didn't make the top 100?

Say what you will about the show say what you

will as far as it coming after Walker Texas Ranger

But like I know I was a little too young to really

get Miami Vice and Miami Vice was a dark damn

show in the 80s Don't get me wrong But for me,

when Nash Ridges came out, I was 16 at the time.

I was big into cop shows and I thought it was

really cool. I think it may be at least at 100.

It's a really good six season show. You have

this guy who is basically a complete success

at his career and a complete failure in his personal

life. You've got... It's got a 1971 Hemi Kuda.

Anybody that likes cars would like that. Other

shows that I had that I think should have made

the list. Amanda talks about CSI and I've...

I've watched the original show. I refuse to watch

Miami because I can't stand David Caruso. He

takes the sunglasses off in such an awesome manner.

He takes the sunglasses off and then puts them

back on. He never looks at the camera. He puts

on sunglasses and takes them off. Just so, just

so. He's like a love child between William Shatner

and some other, like Ron Howard, I swear to God.

Oh, man. That's scary. That's really scary. OK,

so, you know, like I said, Amanda mentioned CSI.

I remember watching, like, the first three or

four seasons of the original Vegas show, and

I remember really, really loving it. I haven't

watched it at all recently. But when they announced

the CSI cyber show, you think about shows that

are, you know, things crimes that are happening

today and most of the crime that happens today

happens on the internet and That show is at least

for me if I was making a top ten of this year

or last year It would easily make the top ten

somewhere because that show is really really

engaging that cast is pretty awesome So that

would be a show I'd put somewhere on the list

Let's see How can the district or without a trace

or coach not be on here? What about Dallas and

Dynasty? Everybody loved Dallas and Dynasty back

then. First of all, Dallas has the single best

TV villain of all time in J .R. Ewing. It's true.

Hands down. Simpsons copied it. That's how quick

that show was. Well, Simpsons copies everything.

Mean Simpsons is nothing but you know a photocopier

half the time In the early years it wasn't lately,

yeah I'm trying to think night court. Why is

night court not on here? I would probably also

find somewhere for lawn owner criminal intent

because that was a show that Again was built

around the character of Robert Gorin and this

guy is all kinds of screwed up and that show

explored his journey of being a cop and being

classified as Someone who could be a psychopath

That show was too smart for over 70 % of the

population And and and it had Jeff Goldblum Thankfully

for only one season. Hey, hey goblins amazing

Don't you dare say anything about is he coming

back for independence day two and three? God

willing God willing. Oh, so we're gonna fight

off the aliens. I mean Yeah, that's that's pretty

much what I would have DJ how about you? I wasn't

on the earlier show, so I apologize if these

weren't on there. Was Rome on this list? No,

right? It was not. Rome I would say definitely

because without Rome there is no Game of Thrones.

Rome was kind of like one of HBO's bigger shows.

So much that it was costing them so much money.

But I thought I loved that show and that was

kind of like appointment viewing for me. Echo

night court. I love night court. I love night

court as one of those shows were kind of like

a Seinfeld where you can walk into any episode

and you're caught up and it was this it's just

fun as a fun show and One thing night court really

quick. I'm sorry to interrupt you the one thing

about night court that I realized, you know night

court has a connection to the a team Oh God Christine

Baranski or not. Well, what's her name? The the

lawyer that's always yes Markey Post was faces

girlfriend in an episode of the a -team perfect

I um, I would also mainly because of the main

performance on this show again. I apologize House

was not on the list, right? No, and how's for

it to be I watch two seasons of that show before

I realize all it is is a Sherlock Holmes adaptation

and I'm forgetting his name right now is you

Laurie you Laurie is awesome you Laurie and essentially

most of the cast I mean, that's probably the

best acting I've seen from Omar Epps in his life

on the show But no, that show was great in a

whole, once I realized how they're doing the

show like Holmes and Moriarty is the disease

and it's Wilson is Watson. It's a great, great,

great show for a doctor show where most doctor

shows are following a formula like an ER or saying

elsewhere, you know, Chicago Hope. House was

a little bit different and it had one of the

best. Characters on television houses. That's

a son of a bitch shit. It was so awesome. I watched

hella house. I've seen a ton of Most death was

an episode. That was an amazing episode There's

a ton of cool guests on there. I think too. So

I echo. Yeah It's a it's a really good show if

like you catch up. It kind of lost its way near

the end of it, but for at least four seasons,

you're getting some really good stuff, especially

from Laurie. With that character, you're getting

great acting out of there. So yeah, I'd say House

and Rome and Night Court because John Lerner

gets awesome. He's in West Wing for a little

bit, so you got a little bit of him. He's in

everything, though. He's in the librarians, for

Christ's sake. That's not bring that up. That's

two references for the librarians over the course

of time. Amanda, you mentioned House. Did you

have any other shows you felt like you deserved

the top 100? Oh, where do I begin? Family Matters

is where I'm gonna start. How many 1990 shows

can we have in one minute? Just wait, because

I got a ton. Family Matters, Tales of the Crypt,

that was 101. That was 101, so I barely missed

it. God, I love him so much. That crusty asshole.

What? He was so creepy when I was little, but

I remember on Sundays we had HBO when I was little,

and that was my before bed show. I don't know

why my parents allowed that, really. Well, your

attraction to me makes a whole lot more sense

now. I didn't know before I didn't make some

more sense. Do you still tell scary stories at

night? That's how he wakes up. He just jumps

out of a casket and starts screaming at her.

He tried to scare me at the movie theater the

other day when I went to the bathroom. He was

like hiding when I came back, and he had his

cell phone camera waiting to capture. my scream.

Anyways, I've got Are You Afraid of the Dark?

The Monsters. That did get some votes. The Monsters

almost made the top 100 until like the last couple

of lists. It was actually like I'm like on there

for quite a bit until like the last five lists

I received. Had so much fun with monsters elf

nobody voted for elf for the top one under here

That show was fueled on cocaine that the writer

was so coked out of his mind and it worked for

him, okay? Alien on TV puppet alien that ate

cats Alph was 124. So it's like working mini

or Alf and which one was I? Also, I dream of

Jeannie Unsolved mysteries my shit, you know

worry princess whoop all that Vikings and Wilfred

are my my more recent little guilty pleasures.

Zena's interesting one to bring up because actually

nine people voted for that show, but no one voted

for it very highly. So that's why I didn't get

very, like no one put it above 80. So it was

119 on the list. So there was actually a lot

of love for Zena. It was one of the shows with

the most votes, the most people voting for it.

That and Perfect Strangers, which had 10 people

vote for it, but a similar, like it was all,

it only had like, less than 100 points because

no one really put it up above the 90s. So it

was weird how how that worked. I'm actually super

sad that Dexter didn't make the list either.

I think that finale heard it. Yeah, it definitely

I heard that there's works of it popping back

up again, maybe even a reboot style. I'm all

about that. So we'll see. Dexter I mean, let

me ask you the with unsolved mysteries sadly,

obviously as we all know Robert stack passed

away How do you feel about Dennis? Yes, we know

We don't have time for that How did you feel

when they brought in Dennis Franz to do Unsolved

mysteries see the darker hair guy. He's the guy

that was on a seasonal law and order with the

mustache Never saw the unsolved mysteries with

him. I want to say that I have but I don't remember

him as much as I don't know. There wasn't also

mysteries without Robert Sack that seems not

religious to me Just like how there was there

shouldn't be a America's most wanted without

John Walsh. Yeah You mentioned that Dexter that

Dexter was another one that almost made it was

112 with six people did vote for it So a lot

of the ones that you voted you picked We're almost

on the top 100. I don't know if that makes it

better or worse. Makes me feel like less of a

douche, but still the pain. Mission accomplished.

Kevin, I know you've had a bunch, so what are

some of the shows you felt deserved to make the

top 100 that didn't? All right, buckle up, everybody.

Here we go. I got two separate lists, so I'll

go with the legit ones, and then I'll just go

with my personal bias, I guess. But from the

legit ones, I think there was a big hole on our

list when it came to mysteries. And pick any

of them. Murder, She Wrote, Columbo, or Perry

Mason. I think somewhere there should have been

a spot for at least one of those shows. I had

Murder Show the highest, but I had all three

of them, I think, in my top 50. I think just

the character of Columbo, the character of Perry

Mason are two of the most, I don't know, two

of my favorite characters in TV history, so I

would have loved to see at least one of those

shows make there somewhere. And then I think

from a classic standpoint, I was super shocked

that Mary Tyler Moore's show and Leave It to

Beaver did not find a spot somewhere in the top

100. See, I'm shocked by Mary Tyler Moore, not

so much Leave It to Beaver. I guess I just thought

it would be something that people just thought

like I was surprised because I Think when you

were talking about before how sometimes like

the classics get forgotten or they're not as

fresh So sometimes I think people just vote with

whichever name they remember the most Yeah, so

I thought we'd get stuff like leave it to Beaver

Gilligan's Island Brady Bunch Maybe some of those

shows even if they didn't deserve it I thought

we would get some of those token like just name

recognition shows I had good I think with the

show like leave the beaver though. It's almost

like a joke in a way like it's more it's it's

in a sense that like it's people use it as kind

of a barometer for like unrealistic expectations

of what life would be like and kind of like All

in the family was the reaction to something like

leave the beaver to show you what like people

really acted with so I think I get guilt like

gilligan's islands when I would be surprised

by too because that one is just such and like

those like guys people it's you know it's parried

it everywhere so that's what that'd be one I

think I was a little surprised by it didn't get

a little bit more but still were it had like

six people did vote for it but it no one voted

for it very highly and then like I mentioned

before a couple of the sketch comedies like Red

Skelton or Jack Benny I thought maybe there'd

be spot for them I know we had Gunsmoke on the

list I was surprised that Gunsmoke made it and

Bonanza didn't I can see how one would eliminate

the other possibly, but they were definitely,

you know, big -time competitors for quite a few

years. Mike's mentioned Dallas and Dynasty, so

I can see that. I think maybe a little bit of

a gender bias, because I think if we had maybe

more of a female presence in our voting, you

would have a few other shows that might have

made it, like Sex and the City. That was a super

popular show for quite a long time. I didn't

like it personally, but I thought maybe it would

make the list. I think the Ed Sullivan show for

what it was maybe could have deserved a spot.

I'm not huge on it. Like Mike said, mad about

you. And my last legit one maybe was Sanford

and Son. I always enjoyed that one. And then

just some fun ones from a personal standpoint.

Obviously MacGyver would have been a selection

for me. My favorite show of all time, Quantum

Leap. I had Flight of the Concords. That's a

great show. I just think a lot of people haven't

seen that. So I would put that, especially with

those many sketch comedies and some of those

other modern comedies, I thought we might see

it somewhere, but we never did. Stargate, any

of them. I thought maybe there'd be a presence

since it was a geek centric list, like especially

SG -1. I always enjoyed Party of Five in my so

-called life, just from a nostalgia standpoint,

but I wouldn't legit ask for them to be in the

top 100. And then let's give some love for Dr.

Quinn, huh? And then maybe, maybe like a laugh

-in or a hee -haw. I don't know. Yeah, I had

some of those, like I did have Perry Mason and

Columbo. Definitely Mary Tyler Moore. I think

that's probably one of the bigger ones we didn't

have. We had a lot of modern show so I wasn't

surprised these didn't make it less like Dexter

Masters of Sex the Americans I also had get smart

which I think it's kind of along the same lines

of like a Gilligan's Island I don't know how

great it was but growing up was one of my like

favorite comedies as a kid watching Taxi. I think

that's a big omission as well Murphy Brown, which

was huge in the 90s I know like Kevin you mentioned

a lot of shows like ER which been higher if we

did it in the 90s I think that's the case with

Murphy Brown Some geek centric shows like orphan

black black mirror Battlestar Galactica, which

I know we got a lot of people saying why that

didn't Get votes. I'm surprised. I didn't get

many votes at all. And I don't know Which the

both the newer and the old version the Edward

James almost 20 episodes and I can't I was like,

man I'm really giving this a shot and I just

can't I've never watched it. So I can't really

speak DJ what you're found at all there I was

kind of enamored with Katie Sacco. I kind of

still am. She's like very, very good in that

show. Usually if it's a great performance on

a show, no matter if the show is mediocre, I'll

push on through. I never got the Finnish Battlestar.

Can't say I didn't like it. It's just one of

those things where it was like, how many seasons

was it? Was it seven seasons? It seemed like

it was 100. It was going up forever. It's like

I'm like this is like doctor who I'm never gonna

finish this So yeah, I was like, I don't know

how much time I'm gonna have to invest before

I start I mean that that came out when I was

trying to I was kind of getting into Or I started

watching it when I was kind of getting into BBC

stuff like misfits and utopia and stuff Got a

chance to finally finish it. But the shows I

saw I loved I loved Katie's like I've ever James

almost was very good on that show The president's

wife from an independent state Bill Pullman's

wife. I forget her name. She's on there too for

A little bit of time, I can't remember. The performances

are great. The sci -fi effects are sci -fi channel

-esque, but I can understand. It's not everybody's

cup of tea. I was surprised, too, with the modern

shows that we were listening to that we didn't

see like a Grey's Anatomy or Entourage. Oh, Entourage,

I figured, yeah. Yeah, Entourage, I guess...

Yeah, a little surprised by that. Oh, another

HBO show that I think is quite good, but is six

feet under Twin Peaks. I wasn't too surprised

it didn't make it knowing the people that we're

voting for. But that did get that was high up

for a couple of people. Oz as well, HBO show

that. UK version of the office homicide life

on the street we had a lot of animated shows

so but I do I am a fan of king of the hill and

Speaking of classic. I don't know if this is

classic. I guess it is it's like 30 or 40 years

old like second city Was one of my favorite sketch

comedy shows WKRP in Cincinnati deserve to be

on the list and so another geek show which I'm

not surprised but uh something like is another

like personal favorite which would be like Spaced

with Simon Pegg and the Edgar Wright show. You

just hate Phantom Menace that's why you like

Spaced. Exactly. I think if I was gonna put one

more animated show I would maybe fit Archer in

there just because I like that. Oh yeah Archer's

way smarter than people think it is. Yeah. Way

smarter. Did I say Lassie? I'm sorry. I just

wanted to get a dog or or mr. Ed. I want a horse

or a dog in there somewhere Which incarnation

of flipper there's only nine of them All you

know magic dolphins All right, well Pretty much

it any any final thoughts or anything on the

top 100 we wanted to discuss before we bring

this episode to a close Bro, Mr. Ed, what about

Mr. Ed? No love? Is that talking horse or lassie?

You want to know how they made that horse talk?

It's frightening. Peanut butter. Peanut butter,

right? I heard it was a carrot not placed in

his mouth, so we might not... Okay, on that note,

we're going to take a quick break and come back

with some response to the feedback we'll be back

after this. I have a diagram. Let me show you

the diagram. No, we don't want to see the goddamn

diagram. Get out of here. And you need a volunteer,

right? Right. don't you smile at me like that

that's not even a real smile just a bunch of

teeth playing with my mind all right we are back

and we're about to wrap it up here on the gcrn

top 100 tv shows countdown finale and shame on

all of you we got no emails no voicemails i have

been saying for the past two weeks on facebook

and twitter and everywhere else to send us emails

send us feedback and Nobody sent anything in

because usually Steve Megatron forwards all that

stuff to people are too busy watching the six

episodes of Star Wars getting ready for next

I mean to be fair. I don't know. There's much

more to say that we did get you know, like a

hundred comments So it's hard to like go beyond

them. I'm gonna email you just what I just wrote

on your post just to well, no, but I mean like

After the top 25 was out, I figured, Oh, somebody

would write in or some somebody that hadn't commented

that, you know, because what I've found out in

seven years of podcasting is there are a lot

of silent listeners out there that don't comment

or don't interact. So I actually, while we were

doing this, this finale episode, I actually went

back and I looked at all four posts, a 100 to

one. Part one of the countdown, the part one

podcast episode got 119 comments. Part two got

a. 142 part 3 116 and part 4 105 in total 482

comments for the overall top 100 TV shows countdown.

That's awesome. Thanks guys. That is so awesome.

Yes. Thank you to every no shame on you Thanks

for the 400 comments and for the debates shame

on everybody else for not sending in emails that

didn't comment You're forgiven we forgive you.

No, I made it a lot more I made it a lot more

fun interacting with everybody on the on the

post and debating and arguing and going back

and forth and there was some Great conversations.

I think only maybe one time Dan that it that

it went a little South as far as as far as you

know proper Debating and conversation, but for

the most part they were intelligent debates and

I enjoyed apologize to you off air. So I don't

know We're still friends One of the comments

on I think it's on Is it on part four? We only

have 400 and some comments to fish through to

find it, so. Which one are you referring to?

I'm going to strangle all four of you guys. I

haven't said anything about that. Well, Steve's

in the background somewhere mimicking all of

us, so four guys. Anyway. One of the newer commenters,

RackJ82, asked, is there any chance of doing

this again one day but having a bunch of the

listeners make our lists and see how they match

up? And what I had said was, in response to it,

was we may do that in a few years, but we would

still use the same system of whoever sends in

lists. We would still compile them all to make

the overall list, right? And there there may

be an opportunity for them to do that coming

sooner than they think So yeah, we already read

their mind on that one Yeah, yes Steve mentioned

in the comment that there is plans for things

next year where it will be more more fin interaction

that comes to creation of a list maybe not of

top 100 manner, but it's something of that nature

so I think it'd be be interesting to see you

know, what fan reaction would be or what a fan

list would be for sure. And what I think I like

best, even more so than the 400 and some comments

that we got on the website, was the number of

different people that we heard from. It wasn't

like it was, you know, two or three of us just

commenting a hundred times back and forth to

each other in a big debate. We heard from dozens

of people. So it was it was fun to new faces,

some old faces. So I think it's a great jump

off point for. more of these in the future and

interacting with them. Hopefully we can choose

topics that they're interested in. And I know

we brought this up already, but this is the third

time that we've done a Top 100 for GeekCast Radio.

So if you've done it, you like this, go back

and listen to, and we did one for Top 100 animated

movies and movie series as well. So you can kind

of check those out and kind of see where it all

began. Yeah. I'm just looking at GeekCast Radio.

GeekCastRadio feed on BlogTalk Radio because

how we do all of our getting our stuff onto iTunes

we submit through BlogTalkRadio .com now. What

I noticed on here is the number of listens or

downloads for each part, each of the four parts.

Part one got 194, part two got 109, part three

132, and part four the top 25 got 99. Now, I

don't have the numbers on the other, because

we simulcast this over GCR, Altered Geek, Telecast,

and Remote Control, so I don't have the numbers

for the other three feeds, but I do know at one

point in iTunes that the, I think it was either

part two or part three, was the, when you look

at the GeekCast Radio podcast page in iTunes,

The telecast feed was the number one feed. That's

thanks to me. That's the only way I was listening

to it. Overall, I think it was a very interesting

project. I think it's going to be interesting

to revisit it at some point. I'm already looking

forward to a future list based on something that

Fox did this last week. Oh, Lord. No. I'm scared.

Okay, so let's go around the room. Dan, what

is your overall final thought? I had a question

as Dan's final thought. Actually, I mean, he

can give his final thought, but I had a question

for you, Dan, because we said that a lot of times

other lists fuel our ideas and make us want to

do specific topic and I know that we had that

you had seen a List for from what was entertainment

or entertainment weekly Hollywood reporter Hollywood

reporter that had a top 50 or top 100 shows whatever

it might have been so I'm curious Do you think

we did a better job or? Because their number

one was what their number one was friends Yeah,

I can't I can't remember. I was actually just

looking at that again today. It was weird We

had some some similar shows Like some of their

show show up that and or some of shows that we

had really low like I love Lucy They had it like

around the same spot we did and I don't know

it was I think there are stuff I think we got

better like I think we had wire higher the wire

higher. We had was swinging a little higher So

they had Sopranos in their top ten Though they

did miss stuff like Muppet show, which I think

is observing a top 100 They didn't have any of

the superhero shows like we did. So I don't know

what that means I I don't know. It's hard to

I personally think Regarding my taste and what

I like. I think we had more shows I just felt

deserved or were nearly to what they were I mean

overall, I think if I were to grade our The quality

of our top 100 because it's it's a it's a fun

project I don't necessarily know how accurate

of representation it is if I probably give it

like a B minus and that and there's like a C

minus so I just think that you know, it's with

When you're getting such a big pool of people,

it's your it's hard to really understand like

where it's gonna end up and so things are gonna

be kind of weird. It's more of a like a doing

it the way we're doing it where we're not sitting

there and like determining based upon like having

a four hour meeting to figure out what number

one is. We're just going based upon votes. So

it's kind of a wacky system, but it works in

that end. But yeah, I don't know. I'm rambling

now, but. I think our list is overall better,

but like I said, I think there's a lot of things,

which we've gone over, and that would definitely

change. Supernatural Winger. Yeah, I mean, I

would probably put Supernatural in the one to

10 spot. Just repeating it over and over again.

Italiki is happy now. I don't care about him,

I just want Jance and Nichols. Anyway. You know,

he started out on Smallville, right? Smallville,

yeah. Well, he's been in a lot of stuff. He was

also in My Bloody Valentine. He was almost Captain

America. What? Oh, God, no. That just blew my

mind. How does that happen? He auditioned, but,

you know, Chris Evans exists, so. Thank God.

But, DJ, I know you missed, like, half a list,

but based on what you saw so far, thoughts on

the list overall? I just want to say I had a

blast doing this because... I'm I'm I'm old and

curmudgeony. So I don't remember most of my youth.

But the TV I'm a child of being raised on a television.

And once I'm starting to think about shows like

Monty Python and you can't do that on television.

And it kind of reminded me of stuff that I forgot

about, you know, Benny Hill and all this other

stuff. And it's been a blast. I think I think

there's always going to be a debate on television

because there's a zillion fricking shows. And

we have different tastes and different stuff,

but I just found making this list just to be

very, very enjoyable, even for the shows when

my shows were not on somebody else's list, or

when certain people didn't like married with

children who will remain nameless. It made me

fight for a show that I grew up with. I just

had a great time, so thank you. It's great having

you. I'm sorry that you missed out on being able

to talk about Mr. Robot a little bit more. Man,

I could talk. We'd still be on that show if I

was still on it. I want to thank everybody, too,

though, because obviously the first half of the

countdown wasn't on my list. So I have at least

like 50 shows now that I can go watch. So you

added all my Netflix queue and my Amazon Prime

queue. So I got lots of stuff to watch and catch

up on. The winner, Netflix. Amazon wins. I'm

actually surprised so many classic shows are

actually on Netflix. Somebody mentioned that.

comments and I'm like oh wow I didn't know they

had classic TV shows like Annie Griffith's show

was on Netflix I had no idea but Amanda any final

thoughts on the list overall? Your first list

was it fun or not? It was probably one of the

most daunting tasks ever like I looked at this

list and I was like what? You want me to do what?

and I was blown away but I couldn't that it couldn't

just be my personal faves and I was like what

no so I had to clarify eight times this is not

just the shows that I like this is not just the

shows that I know everything about this is actually

just legitimate shows to thrown in so it was

it was hard I think that it it brushed the nostalgia

into my cheeks and made me really dive in and

be critical on some things that I really enjoy.

So it was great and thanks for having me on.

Kevin, what about you? Final thoughts? What was

it like to be not in a different seat for a list?

Yeah, exactly. It was fun. Like I said, I was

nervous when a show after show that wasn't on

my list was popping up, but it was fun not to

know, and I got to play some games. I remember

I sent you my predictions for the 1 through 25,

and I had 22 of them right, so that was fun.

But yeah, I like both experiences. I like kind

of... Knowing what's going on and watching for

people's reactions, but I also like being surprised

and there was a ton of surprises in this list

That's for sure. I Had a thought on that actually

instead of Next time whenever we do this, whatever

you have a thought that's scared. Shut up Instead

of only one person knowing what's coming like

if obviously we're doing these and you know 25s

now, so Let us know what's on that part of the

countdown. Don't tell us where it is going to

fall, but let us know what shows are on there.

And then we would be more surprised to see where

they actually land versus keeping everybody else

in the dark other than the person that has the

main list. I think on one of the next ones that

we have coming up, people aren't going to need

to do much research. So it's going to be pretty

easy to talk about whatever shows up. damn franchises.

Alright, so I honestly have no idea what's coming

up next on GeekCast Radio. Remote control, I

have plans of bringing that back, I just don't

know when, off the top of my head. There's a

lot of stuff in the works, so just keep an eye

out for all the different feeds in 2016. I just,

well, pertaining to GeekCast Radio, I'm not sure

The final two Star Wars countdowns, when those

are gonna happen, I do know that episode 90 will

be our year in review episode. That'll be airing

on New Year's Eve, so you guys can tune in for

that. I'm gonna be getting drunk, I don't know

what you guys are gonna be doing. We record it

before New Year's Eve airs on New Year's Eve.

I'm not gonna listen to it on New Year's Eve,

definitely not. It's the hangover cure, that's

the purpose of it. Cure's all hangovers. There

you go. Exactly. That's our slogan. Anything's

better than Gatorade. Alright, unleash the geek

in you and we will catch you next time. But wait,

there's more! And late to the TV party, Steve

Megatron. Who? Who the hell's that guy? I don't

know. Who the hell is that guy? The guy that

didn't want to sit through an hour and a half?

No, but it's me I'm here And there's quite a

significance to me showing up We had feedback

email And I was not able to be on the record

that night So just to give everybody some back

well you guys already know the end of the show

I I shunned everybody for not sending us any

email and then The next day after we recorded

this episode Steve is like, oh, yeah, we got

email. So yeah, we got him about Well, the reason

I didn't notice it was When it came in it was

about Around five o 'clock And typically that's

when I'm walking away from my computer so yeah

until, you know, like 10 something at night.

So I don't always see it until that point where

I would have seen it the next morning. So like,

of course, you know, it wasn't seen until the

next morning when I checked my email and it ported

over. So yeah, there were two emails. Muna Muna

You You Just a second. It's for you. Manamana.

The question is, what is a manamana? The question

is, who cares? The first one is by Connor Murphy.

OK. So he says he finished the Top 100 episode

and sending in the comments. For one, the project

itself was a lot of fun and loved when we...

Says love when you guys do these on this good

side this one kept me in the most suspense the

animated movie one last year I could easily predict

the top 20 this year That was not the case some

shows. I'm still shocked by the brisket the Briscoe

County jr. Sports night full house come to mind

I don't think any of those shows should have

made it I'm sure there are others if I look back

at it in more detail I was happiest to see the

Muppet show make it so high that was a pleasant

surprise These are long so be ready um for the

record itself the things i liked better this

year were the use of clips this was a nice little

touch that made it feel extra special the records

themselves were quite long which made it a tad

daunting to finish but hey it came Gave me a

week of content to listen to on my drive to work

So it's not the worst thing in the world having

DJ and Amanda on was also great They brought

different voices to the mix and although I didn't

always agree with them, especially you Amanda

Sorry, I did enjoy hearing their takes. I hope

you do this again because I'm looking forward

to it Connor Murphy Your thoughts before I give

my thoughts Thank you, Connor, for the email.

Yes, thank you. And yeah, I have to agree. Some

of the shows were a bit of a surprise. I get

this out right away. And I don't mean any offense

to this. I did vote for superhero shows because

and I still argue that Flash deserves to be on

the list. But again, I'm not going to like beat

that dead horse. But so, yeah, there was there

was a little bit of that in there. Two so I can

get why some people are upset about that But

yeah, I agree with the the choices of the the

shock of why they're there like with those three

I mean I get why some people put them on there

again. It's it's The and this is how I viewed

the list and it's not necessarily Even my own

take per se but everybody I'm guessing voted

on this thing based on a multitude of reasons.

One of them was because the way that we do the

ranking scale up to this point, which again,

it's going to be changing in the future, but

because of some instances here. But the reason

some of the personal lists ranked certain things

so high was to ensure that it made its spot on

the list, not necessarily that it actually deserved

to be that spot on a list. Um, because of the

way the rankings work and the point values and

stuff, it, it works out to be a certain way.

Um, so I can see why some people voted for certain

things. And it was even admitted on the show,

like for instance, Kevin's Cosby show, like me,

like the boy meets world. Uh, again, it wasn't

nostalgia. It was trying to make sure that the

show got there. And I was by no means saying

that they should be in the top 10. I was just

saying that they deserve to be on the list. Um,

and that was the same thing with the flash. I

think I put that at number four. Yeah, cuz TNG

I had at three I Don't have my list in front

of me because my computer I'm douching it out

right now. But anyways the That's partially why

that happened the other thing is if certain people

grew up with certain genres of shows whether

it's something their parents exposed them to

or something that they themselves sought out

For instance, I would never have saw a show like,

you know gun smoke or or half the stuff that

came out in the 70s and 80s like There's certain

things in the 80s that I grew up with and there's

certain things from, you know, all the different

generations that I caught because of what my

parents watched. But if my parents didn't expose

me to that older content, I have no reason to

want to check it out because it looks like garbage

to me in today's standard. Yeah, in today's shooting

standard, as far as like audio visual quality,

not necessarily story because there is a lot

of garbage that's on TV now. But as far as the

aesthetics are concerned, it was garbage. Not

necessarily the story. But it was good for the

time. So again, I can get why people are upset

certain shows showed up and certain shows didn't.

So it's one of those things that it's depending

on what you are exposed to. And that's what is

on your list. Same reason I have a lot of 90s

and late 80s and 2000s stuff on my list is because

That's what I've watched over the past 20 years.

So that's of course going to be what I gravitate

towards with some other stuff sprinkled in there.

The thing about the clips, the top 100 animated

films, I think the reason that wasn't done with

clips was because a lot of the stuff, it would

have required one person to do because nobody

knew what was going to show up on that list.

I made us especially with some of the indie stuff

and and the difference between that and the the

top 100 animated series list is the animated

series they all had a theme song and a lot of

those actually I think all of them had a theme

song to some degree may not have been the one

that everybody remembers but there was a theme

song so again that one did use the clips as well

Uh, the last one because of, you know, the, not

only timing and trying to get everything in there

and the exposure of stuff. That's why that wasn't

in there, but this time, yeah, I definitely agree.

Um, and, and there's some things that will kind

of present themselves in the future. Uh, so yeah,

glad that you, you enjoyed it. Sorry that they're

a little long. We tried something a little bit

different this year with, instead of making seven

episodes, we made it five. Um, Connor, I'll tell

you this right now between the animated films

countdown and this top 100 TV countdown. total

they are both countdowns are 10 hours of content

so the top 100 TV show one we had I think it

was like two or three how many how many of the

four parts part three and part four of TV were

both three hours eight minutes and three hours

and 38 minutes so Because as Steve said it was

you know gonna go longer because we were doing

25 Entries instead of 20 so but it in overall

between the animated films and the TV countdowns

They're both they both add up to roughly around

10 hours of podcasting each So that's 20 hours

of content for two different countdowns The next

email is from and the next email is from let

me use the right mouse I have my laptop and my

desktop in front of me, because I got a new solid

state drive. I'm trying it out. The next one

is from Rachel Manning, who says, I had to write

in with a show that is criminal. You didn't include

Battlestar Galactica. I was a fan of the original

and a fan of science fiction, but more so I am

a great a fan of great cinematic television.

This show went beyond my wildest dreams. Some

people have a hard time with certain dramatic

and artistic choices made by the producers. But

to me, those choices only make the show stronger

and gutsier. The new Battlestar Galactica concentrates

on characters, drama, and the human condition

and shies away from the fantasy, serial elements

of the original and others of the genre. a first

-rate cast with real acting chops help ground

the story in characters in a universe where the

audience cares what happens to them. This is

the antithesis of the original that relied on

caricature villains and cartoon storylines. This

new show tackles real -life issues about human

rights, religion, and the moral ambiguity of

war yes i know i butchered that word it's no

wonder battle star galactica has garnered glowing

reviews from time magazine rolling stone tv guide

and the american film institute with that type

of praise assumed you would at least put it in

the top 50 but nothing shows like supernatural

corny batman family guy and shows barely out

of their first season clearly battle star galactica

is just as deserving if not more so you know

How many of us have actually watched either one

of the Battlestar Galacticas? I know of the show,

I know of the series, both of them, but I've

never actually seen them. So when I was making

my list, I only put shows on my list that I've

actually seen at least five episodes of. Yeah,

and that's kind of what I did with mine too,

is I only voted on shows that I watched at least

five episodes of at some point. That being said,

I probably would have omitted some of the superhero

shows that I put in there. Even some of the other

shows in general that I put in there to write

in some of the ones that I forgot. uh... it even

existed because again i didn't watch the show

so it really was in my radar uh... but i'd definitely

agree with you that is kind of a crime and it's

not there and it's it's another you know huge

sci -fi thing you know that babel on five i mean

they all cope go hand -in -hand with like star

trek and uh... uh... you know doctor who and

all these things that have lasted for decades

uh... so yeah i definitely get that uh... supernatural

i had to defend a little bit And it's not for

the reasons that Amanda had I Don't exactly remember

besides the argument that she had was because

it should be there I I enjoy the show because

it's one it's got lasting power. It's been it's

on its 11th season now Granted three of the seasons

suck. I'm not gonna deny that but the rest of

it's pretty damn good and so I I'm glad that

it showed up on the list, even if it is on the

high end or the low end. Low end. Depends on

how you look at it. No, it's the low end. It's

a countdown from 100 to 1, so 100 to 50 is the

low end. Low end of the stick. But anyways, it

showed up and I'm kind of glad that it at least

made a presence there for having that much time.

Whereas you get shows like Briscoe County Junior

that had one season. So I'm not throwing this

show into the bus You know, I'm just saying in

general and Corny Batman is corny as it was it

was the only superhero show we had that early

on I mean you could have wrote Wonder Woman in

you could have wrote, you know some of the serialized

Superman and Batman stuff, but that really was

like the entrance of Superheroes into TV So I

that's the only reason I voted for that family

guy as much as you love it or hate it It's got

lasting power and people for some reason like

it. I have watched a little bit of it here or

there it is Like nails on chalkboard after a

while, but I can see why it's there but yeah,

there's Yeah, I totally get you're venting on

the Battlestar Galactica, so it's it's definitely

well Received and you never know within a couple

years. We'll probably end up revisiting some

of these lists including this one and There might

be a drastically different output because people

may have gotten exposed to some of the shows

that were listed that of course We may not have

been familiar with So, you know, you never know

the list could turn out entirely different with

a whole new setup. So So there's to that Alright,

well, that's gonna do it for the top 100 TV finale

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