Top 100 TV Shows Countdown – Part 2 – 75-51

Hey guys, this is Rob Paulsen and you're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. You're listening

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as we continue our countdown of the top 100 TV

series of all time. On today's episode, we will

be counting down and revealing number 75 to 51.

With a project this big, I cannot do it alone.

So we have assembled the Avengers, or maybe more

aptly put, the A -Team of the GeekCastRadio.

Joining me first, he's one of the co -founders

of the GeekCastRadio network, a host of AlterGeek,

Steve Megatron Phillips. How's it going, man?

Good, how's it going? It is going well, it is

going well. Joining us as well is one of my cohorts

over the Sit Up Geeks podcast and the founder

of the Telecast podcast, Kevin Altima Solo. How's

it going, man? I'm nervous. Nervous? Yeah, a

lot of drama already one episode in. Man, I'm

nervous, because like I said at the end of last

show, I think only eight or nine of my shows

have showed up so far, so I have a feeling I'm

either... All my shows are going to show up the

rest of the way or I have a lot of shows not

on this top 100. So We'll see. We'll see how

it goes. And of course Also joining us or maybe

uh, kevin's better half, I guess I'm sure she

would She would admit to our another our other

co -host at cinema geeks and probably the professional

out of all of us Amanda, how's it going? What's

happening, Dan? Not much not much back for a

second episode of geek cast radio I'm glad we

didn't scare you away the first time it takes

a lot So I'm along for the ride here. She survived

the menopause comment. She's good to go. Just

to be clear, that was not me. And if you have

not yet listened to the podcast from last week

definitely go to do that We reveal our introductions

those the rules behind the podcast and also go

over numbers 100 to 76 Anything you guys wanted

to go over before we get this countdown a moving

I just want to say a big thanks to those that

are interacting with the countdown so far on

the website I think last I checked we were up

to 86 comments on this post So that is awesome

and we hope that all of you guys continue to

comment on each episode as we go through because

it's been a lot of fun hearing other people's

opinions and sides things and kind of the debate

going back and forth. I'd like to interact with

that. For sure for sure definitely seeing people

being vocal letting us know where we got it right

where we got it wrong also So some people fill

out predictions is kind of interesting We'll

see you see how well those those pan out for

sure and I'm sure after this episode There'll

be even more reasons for people to sound off.

So we'll see how it goes All right without any

further ado. Let's get this countdown started

75 All right. Well, it was a long time ago last

week when we went over number 70 Six, but I don't

know if you remember but we ended with a sketch

comedy show with the kids in the hall Ironically

enough. We are continuing that trend with another

sketch comedy show, but a little bit more current

and another show more on Comedy Central and probably

when I think we might be a little bit better

versed in and that is key and peel coming in

at number 75 with 476 points on eight different

lists as high as ranked as number nine someone

did have key and peel in their top ten Kevin

surprise that we're starting off with a sketch

comedy show already again We must be we must

have a comedy group assembled here or at least

a sketch comedy group because I am very surprised

at the number of sketch comedies that are appearing

I had said early on and last episode when we

talked about some of the ones mentioned there

that I thought maybe It meant that we would see

at least two, three, four more. And this is not

one of the ones that I was considering. So I

have a feeling this is not the last sketch comedy

we're going to see. Well, we'll definitely have

to see that. Steve, any thoughts on Keen Peel?

Do you think it deserves number 75? Does it belong

on a list? What are your opinions? I know that

there's a pretty decent following to it. And

I've seen some of the stuff that those guys have

done. So, I mean, I kind of think so, being that

they're a pretty good comedic duo. But I haven't

actually watched the show itself. I've seen I'm

kind of indifferent to the show overall so Amanda

question for you. Do you think we talked about

so far? This is our sketch comedy show Do you

think sketch comedy shows like this kind of almost

have not an unfair advantage? But the appeal

to like the the market of today where we are

very much into that three minute YouTube clip.

So for example, I've watched many Key and Peele

skits, but I don't think I've ever actually watched

the full show. Do you think that in that way,

they're going to be able to have more of a population

of people who've seen them since, you know, they

do more, they do kind of fit the new medium that

we're in? I think so. I think it's one of those

right at your fingertips quick. We live in the

drive -through society, so this is something

that you can tune in for their skit on YouTube

and not have to commit to an entire episode and

still glean from it what you would from the episode.

So I think that because it's more accessible

and it's a quick in -and -out entertainment that

it's probably the most popular that they have

been. I did have Keen Peel on my list, actually

I had it at number 93, so this is much higher

than I had it. I think it belongs for sure. It's

hard because it's more of a recent comedy. sketch

comedy show, but I do love the show. We did a

top five sketches on Talking in Circles not too

long ago, and The Substitute Teacher, which is

probably their most famous sketch, I would think

it's one of them, was on my list. And I do think

it is one of those shows, too, that has been

ingrinated into our pop culture. I mean, even

Luther, one of the characters from the show,

showed up to the President's Correspondents'

Dinner and did a bit with the President. Oh,

I love that! I love it. Yes. So you know, it's

not just like it's, you know, it's having a big

impact all over when you're legitimately at an

event like that. And it has some award considerations

for sure. It's won White Writers Guild Awards,

won the Peabody as well. So it's it's it does

not come without a pedigree. I guess you could

argue, you know, if it's too high or, you know,

if if it's just more of us looking at what's

recent. But I think that the sketches are strong

enough. And I think even after its ending, I

think this is the last and it'll still be one

that lives on and prospers as they might say

in the world of YouTube. This is going to be

one of the biggest surprises or shocks to me

if we get through this entire list and we have

more sketch comedies that are post -1970 than

pre -1970. That is going to be something I definitely

did not expect. Yeah, it definitely kind of shows

the demographic of the list and speaking of the

demographic if you go to geekcastradio .com There

is now a contributor page that shows you everyone

that contributed to this list You can see all

the different podcasts and websites that did

make this up So you can see like we know where

these people are coming from for sure But all

right any other thoughts before we get to next

on the countdown looking forward to the next

sketch comedy 74 Well, we are moving away from

sketch comedy, but we're staying into the world

of comedy and we're staying into the world of

recent comedy I think this might be one of the

shows that is the most talked about when it comes

to the comment section because it certainly has

its cult following and at coming in at number

74 with 479 points which is only three more points

than the key and peel again with on eight lists

it was highest ranked at number 27 so it didn't

get ranked super super high by anyone and it

is community the embassy mbc yahoo comedy uh

it's certainly a comedy well known for its unique

style of humor it's been around for quite a while

in also known for a lot of the drama and almost

getting canceled after every year. Steve, let's

start with you here. What are your thoughts on

Community coming in on number 74? I haven't watched

a whole lot of it. I have seen select episodes

here or there depending on topic that they're

talking about, but I find that they're very pop

cultured centered, but they're also very relevant.

Even when they're talking in the nostalgia realm,

you know, like the The the knockoff gi jo episode

them doing other various costumes or or you know

Becoming different characters and all that kind

of stuff throughout the show. So it's very well

written and it's it's funny Uh, so I I can see

why that that has a it has a following too. So

I can see why it's on the list Amanda any thoughts

on community? I've never seen anything even surrounding

this so no comment This one this was totally

not even on my radar. I don't even think I it

was something I considered. Maybe I just was

blind to it. But Dan, I'm curious for you because

you're probably a little bit better versed in

some of these more modern comedies. When you

think about Modern Family or Parks and Rec or

some of those shows, is community on that level?

How does it compare to those? Or 30 Rock or some

of those other ones? Yeah, well, I think it's

it is I think one of the if you're looking at

modern comedies one of one of the best I would

say For a variety of reasons one is just the

creativity that goes into it It started off as

just this kind of like oh, it's a community college,

you know friends. It's okay But it really morphed

into something really more It really got into

like some weird and unique places especially

for a network television show just like it would

do like an entire episode in With the characters

that were like an 8 -bit like classic I'm not

Nintendo. I guess Nintendo graphics But it was

a story told in that format or the classic like

holiday format for their holiday shows They would

do so many different things with the format of

television It was it was incredible that they

were able to do that and it would just they would

just break all the rules You would see with TV

incorporate different mediums very much into

the pulp culture in a lot of great spoofs of

classic genre films and things like that. I think

really, really hit its stride was where it took

off from there. I think it was the season finale

of season one or two when they did their first

paintball episode. And up to that point, it was

just a fun comedy, but then it hit something

else and it became, wow, this is like one of

the best action comedies I've ever seen, I've

seen in a long time and it's on a TV show. Yep.

With one rule, last man standing gets the prize.

The prize. The prize. What is this prize? You

don't know. Priority registration. Priority registration.

That's why everyone's running around like a bunch...

Does that mean what I think it means? Like you

could have first choice of your classes next

semester? Easy, sugar bear. But you could schedule

all your classes on a Monday, and then take a

six -day weekend. They can do a lot of things.

Talking through the hunger, I bet. Every student

wants that prize, Jeff. There's no way to share

it, so we'll eventually alternate each other.

But the longer we wait to do that, Jeff, the

longer we work together, the longer we last.

Is everyone running in packs? The debate team

was the first to do it, but they felt infighting.

They say the glee club has lured stragglers into

sniper traps with cheery renditions of hit songs.

Really? And people fall for that? I mean, I'm

all for winning, but let's not resort to cheap

ploys. And you know it's good because that's

where Anthony Russo and Joe Russo came from,

those who directed Winter Soldier, and who'll

be directing the next Avengers film. They got

their start on Community, and you really see

that because it's a really well -directed action

movie within this comedy setting. So I think

it's... It sets itself apart from a lot of the

comedies of today by doing things that no one

else is really willing to do Like Steve mentioned

doing an entire episode and like like GI Joe

But it's not just like they're doing these cliche

or niche things or just trying to like oh We're

just gonna appeal to this audience It's just

their ability to do it in fun ways and be really

really funny with it, too I've not seen any of

the stuff on Yahoo I know they basically got

dropped from NBC and went to Yahoo, and I never

picked it up, but it It was one of those shows,

I think, that people just began to really gravitate

towards it. And we'll maybe talk about other

shows that kind of appeal to the geek audience.

And I always gravitated to Community because

I thought it really treated that audience with

respect. And it was made by people who loved

those. You could tell there was a love there

for the things that they were spoofing. So do

you think we got it in the right order as far

as putting it ahead of Modern Family and some

of the other ones that we've talked about already?

I definitely think I would put it ahead of Modern

Family and some of the other modern comedies

that we had so far, for sure. I actually had

it higher in my list. I had it at my top 40,

so I think that's why I said I think some people

may argue it should be higher, but I'll stop

talking because I'm a little long -winded. It's

funny though, as we're kind of in this very recent

mindset, and I think that's going to very much

continue with our next entry. Well with number

73, we're actually getting the youngest TV show

on the list so far by far It's actually a show

that just finished its first season. I don't

know a couple months ago. It's only on six less

it It has 487 points. It actually took quite

a jump from last entry, and it's Mr. Robot coming

from the USA Network. I know the show got huge

acclaim from a lot of people. Actually, DJ Valentine

from Simplistic Reviews probably should have

been hired by ABC because he really pimped this

show out every time it was out. So I know people

loved it and so much so. It got highest ranked

as number three by a person, which is a big reason

it's on this list. I saw a few episodes. I loved

what I saw. Fortunately, I got rid of cable.

so I couldn't continue it. But Kevin, you're

surprised for seeing, is this a case, do you

think, of people maybe overrating something that

they just recently saw compared to things that

maybe they haven't watched recently? How many

times was DJ Valentine allowed to submit lists?

You only had one list. You only had one. And

to be fair, he wasn't the one that voted. He

wasn't the highest. That's the more shocking

thing. He isn't the highest voter for this. But

I think it's hard because for me personally,

I found it real hard to vote on anything that

has debuted in the last three to four, two to

three years. I wasn't comfortable with doing

that just because I need to sit on stuff a little

bit more. It's almost like when you come home

from a theater experience and you're already

on a podcast or writing a review for it. It's

hard for me to do that without having a couple

days to sit and think about it and have it resonate

or not. So I don't know. It's hard for me personally

to do that But it does not surprise me that this

is on the list because this is by far probably

one of the most talked about shows at least in

the circles that I interact with on Twitter and

stuff like that So I'm not surprised to see it,

but I personally have trouble rating something.

That's that fresh Steve are you similar with

that where you you need to resonate on something

before you can go to the air vote for it Do you

think it's okay for something this recent to

be this high? I don't necessarily have a problem

with something showing up on the list because

I realize that everybody has different tastes

and everything. I personally have not seen the

show. I know Blanchard's seen it, but I believe

there's actually a remote control episode on

it on the pilot if I'm not mistaken. I've never

heard anything bad about it. I've never heard

anything bad about it either. And I've heard

that it's a good show. I just I've never gotten

around to seeing it. We apologize, DJ, we are

not doing this justice. Yeah, I'm sure like he'll

let us know for sure. Amanda, any thoughts on

Mr. Robot? Only that I definitely have to see

this now. The few episodes I did see, I was,

you know, USA tends to, their shows tend to have

the similar, like a similar look. There's like

a polish to them. And if you just showed me Mr.

Robot, I never would have guessed it was a USA

show. It felt like, very cinematic. It almost

felt like an HBO or Cinemax show or something

like that. What is it about society that disappoints

you so much? Oh, I don't know. Is it that we

collectively thought Steve Jobs was a great man

even when we knew he made billions off the backs

of children? Or maybe it's that it feels like

all our heroes are counterfeit. The world itself

is just one big hoax. Spamming each other with

our burning commentary bullshit masquerading

as insight. Our social media faking as intimacy.

Or is it that we voted for this? Not with our

rigged elections, but with our things, our property,

our money. I'm not saying anything new. We all

know why we do this. Not because Hungry Games

Books makes us happy, but because we want to

be sedated. Because it's painful not to pretend.

Because we're cowards. Fuck society. Really unique

it does feel very much of this time Also, like

hacking is such a the thing like the act of hacking

is something in movies and TV shows seem to be

very corny But they really kind of stick to it

in more realistic fashion and it was just it

was I don't know though The word I use is I would

describe it as unique it was unlike anything

else So I and I heard it only got better from

there. So maybe it is deserving But what we'll

I think we'll be able to continue discussion

of ratings things that are more recent as we

go on in this list, but any other thoughts before

we move on to number 72? I'm going to sound real

dumb by the end of this if we don't get pre -2000.

I promise we'll get there eventually we'll get

those I promise you there's a you know it's not

all 2015 shows from the rest of the countdown

but I will say that we're not moving that far

for our next entry 72 we're going back to the

world of comedy we're only went we were gone

there for one entry we're going back there again

again another recent comedy though it's it's

had two full seasons so it's a little a little

bit more seasoned than mr. robot it's honestly

one of my Personal favorite comedies that's on

right now coming from the mind of Mike judge

and that's Silicon Valley Coming in with 499

points. It was on eight list as high as ranked

as 15 for someone Again, I think we're gonna

continue this question regarding, you know being

more recent but I will say you know with Silicon

Valley's two seasons and I have watched both

seasons. I really love both seasons It actually

has a lot of podcast connections. If you're a

podcast fan from Camille Nagiani to TJ Miller

you know a lot of those who have got their start

not their start but uh whole podcast own um but

it's a very my judge like with office space and

other things you can see him be able to like

satirize different work environment and that's

the same thing I think with Silicon Valley where

it it rides that line of being realistic enough

not to feel fake but not too realistic where

you can't have kind of be goofy and be be funny

and it's again really relevant some I would say

one of the better most elegant dick jokes ever

in season one finale if you can if you can say

that but uh it was yeah amanda any any thoughts

on silicon valley uh no i'm wondering why i'm

here because i have not seen any of these shows

i feel like We just need to get into some 90s

stuff and that'll be relevant. Yeah, it's just,

yeah, it's hard for me too because I haven't

seen a lot of recent TV in the last two or three

years so it's not that any of these shows are

bad. I just haven't been exposed to them. Silicon

Valley obviously comes with its critical acclaim.

I think it's been nominated for best comedy every

year it's been. Well, it's only aired two years,

but I think it's been nominated every year so

far So I mean it definitely has some critical

acclaim and just like mr. O But I've never heard

anybody say anything bad about it. So it's just

one of those that I'd need to catch up on Yeah,

it does come with a claim. Like you mentioned

it has been nominated for best Comedy series

the last two years also a Golden Globe nomination

as well. So it does it's been well -received,

critically and award -wise. And just to clarify

regarding, we've had some questions previously

regarding like why we're bringing up awards or

ratings or something like that. The reason being

is when you're looking at shows that span the

time of history, you know, the history of television,

there's a lot of factors to consider. And sometimes

it's good to have just cold hard facts to look

at. And yes, awards aren't everything, ratings

aren't everything, but there are certainly aspects

to consider. They put you in the idea of how

popular show is, how much in fact it's had, how

well received it was at the time. So that's kind

of why we're bringing these up. It's not that

we're saying that that's the only thing we're

looking at, but it's part of the discussion for

sure. Yeah, it's definitely only like one of

many, many components that I considered. And

the only reason I try to bring them up here when

we're doing the actual records is to more help

people. Because obviously we're talking about,

you said the over 600 shows got votes. And clearly

not everybody that's listening is going to have

heard every or watched every show that we're

talking about. So it's more kind of to paint

a picture for those that aren't familiar with

a show of why maybe some people feel it kind

of has more credence to be on the list. But yeah,

it's just one of many components that that we

are definitely considering that. And just because

we're bringing it up for me personally, I bring

it up a lot, especially like with the ratings

stuff, just kind of give another element that

doesn't even mean I voted for the show. So it's

just it's just more. more trivia, more kind of

fodder for anybody that's trying to kind of boil

this down. But I do think each one has at least

somewhat merit in kind of adding to a show's

relevance in the discussion or not. Yeah, it's

like, look at something like the NFL, for example,

like someone being in the Pro Bowl is not gonna

make them Hall of Famer, but it'll be part of

the resume. Right. Steve, any thoughts on Silicon

Valley at all? I've tried to watch it and I have

a hard time getting into... Shows that are similar

in style to this. I didn't find it as entertaining

as everybody else, but that's My personal taste.

I'm not saying that it's a bad show. I just That's

that's my thing against it but I do know that

it has merit obviously as you guys have mentioned

with the Getting awards that were nominated for

them. So Yeah, I can see why that's here All

right. Well, let's get into us with 71 We're

actually gonna gonna hit a lot of different milestones.

So it actually should be a fun discussion 71

well with 71 a lot of things are happening right

now first and foremost We're moving into the

500 point club. So these these are shows that

have received over 500 points in addition We're

actually gonna go to the world of the 90s for

the first time in a long time in not only the

90s but a very very very special time and day

in the 90s where we're gonna have our first show

that was on TGIF that has a very special place

in many of our hearts as with number 71 we have

full house receiving 580 points on eight different

lists as highest ranked as number 8 by none other

than amanda so amanda let's start with you here

you wanted a 90 show you're getting a 90 show

thoughts on full house showing up at 71 i think

it's it's full of nostalgia i haven't watched

it as an adult. I don't think to see how it holds

up for now, but I think I learned a lot of lessons.

I had some crushes on some of the characters.

Don't judge me. It definitely spawned my early

90s love for the Olsen twins when they branched

out and had all their cool videos. I'm pretty

sure I watched every single one of them and loved

it. Kevin's giving me a completely utterly disgusted

look right now. I think that even though it wasn't

this typical family unit, it definitely always

had that family dynamic and I fed off of it.

I loved it. Steve, thoughts on Full House? And

you're surprised it took this long to get to

a TGIF show? I'm not really surprised, but I'm

actually kind of glad that it's one of the weaker

ones out of the TGIF shows that showed up. I

was scared for some other ones that I preferred

over this one. Not saying I didn't like the show,

because I did. Back in the day, I used to watch

it a lot and it was very enjoyable. I actually

own the entire series on DVD right now, among

a lot of other nostalgia pieces. But I've watched

that recently with my wife off and on. And a

lot of it is hard to kind of watch because it's

so dated. But at the same time, some of the values

kind of stay still, but a lot of the show, I

have a hard time. Unless it's later on, I have

a hard time watching it. Kevin, any thoughts

on Full House? For me personally, okay, my own

take, the twins were cute when they were babies.

And John Stamos was cool as shit. And I liked

listening to Dave Coulier do his voices. Outside

of that I wasn't a huge full house fan, and I

think this one comes down to You're gonna view

a list like this in one of two ways I guess and

it depends on if you put more stock in how and

I'm not just saying popular, but how This is

the 90s. This is early 90s. There's no family

that didn't watch this at some point in the 90s

if they had a TV. So it was very much a part

of that eight -year span. Radians -wise, it didn't

kill. It was only in the top 10, two out of those

eight years. So it's not like it was just a huge

hit there. But if you judge a show based on how

prevalent it was and how widespread the audience

was, then you probably say that it deserves a

spot on this list. If you're going to judge a

show out of, in a way, out of context or out

of time and look at it in kind of later years

and say, let's judge it based on the quality,

I guess, quote unquote of the show. And if it

holds up, then you probably could make an argument

for it being just outside of the top 100. So

I guess it depends on what camp you think this

list is more about. For me, I have no problem

with it showing up. I'm glad it's closer here

to the first episode second episode shows rather

than seeing it next week or the week after whatever

i had it number nine okay i haven't had it at

70 so he's actually quite close though you know

not see see what see what what's happening here

is i'm i'm not getting I'm not any shows that

are on the list, but when I vote on one I'm getting

pretty darn close As going up as a kid like full

house was a huge part of my childhood like many

you know being on TGIF is one of the shows my

parents definitely we all watched as a family

and You know thought John Seamus was cool quoted

it a bunch also had crushes on different characters.

I'm assuming that Amanda I still say how rude

So it you know, it's fit that mold I talked about

with home improvement I can watch some of the

home improvement shows and still like them I

can't do that with full house like Steve was

mentioning it I cringe I'm like, how did I watch

this as an adult especially like at the end of

the episode where this You know this set the

sad music hits and it's like, oh now they're

getting dramatic and it's just like Oh, Danny

Tanner's gonna sit on the bed with the girl until

today we learned. Yeah They might as well have

just had a PSA. Exactly, exactly. Yeah, it fits

that mold of a family show, but I think there

are... Similar family shows of the time beforehand.

I think we're better than it But it definitely

like it I I was surprised like you mentioned

Kevin that it wasn't better in the rain ratings

and it was that I just assumed it was One of

the biggest shows of the time. Maybe it's just

because it was geared towards the audience I

was in I I didn't rank it in my top 100 100 I

do think you know, I could see the argument for

it I personally would have put you know, I think

I like home improvement more so I might have

flip -flopped this and home improvement But uh,

yeah, I'm at least we're getting some I think

we're gonna, my prediction would be that the

comments on the website and the reaction to this,

that it's gonna be almost 50 -50. I think we're

gonna get half the people supporting this and

half of the people saying it doesn't work. Yeah,

I think so too, I think so too. Well, let's see,

while we're in the 90s, let's see how long we

stay there as we get into our next entry. Well,

we didn't stay in the 90s long we actually got

right back into current time with another current

comedy Coming in with 544 points at number 70

on eight different lists It's actually on the

same night as a show that we just talked about

Silicon Valley and that is Veep Which is actually

a kind of a spin -off Retelling of a bb BBC show

starring Julia Lee this starring Julia Lee Dreyfus.

It comes in with with quite a pedigree regarding

awards and things of that nature. Amanda, starting

with you. I know you said you didn't watch any

Silicon Valley. Are you just surprised we're

seeing it? Like this was so far the show. We're

seeing a great deal of like current TV all coming

at once. I'm really shocked that it's so much

new TV, but I guess Kevin made a really good

point that this is what's fresh right now. This

is what you're into right now. So you might put

that ahead of some things that you've forgotten

about over time that you might have valued a

little bit more. So I'm not surprised, but I'm

a little disappointed. This is following Dan

somewhat of the same. I mean, I know we had a

lot of diversity and a lot of different things

that we saw in episode one of this countdown.

But this second episode so far is following quite

similarly to the same mold that we had with our

animated movies, where that second episode we

saw a whole bunch of modern stuff. I think it's

different in respect because I think when we

were doing the animated movies it was much more

of the what's in the now what's on people's you

know freshen people so I think that's completely

the case here I think this is more addressing

the fact that there's a lot of quality TV shows

out there that people really like that aren't

just your sitcom of the day it's not just like

you know The King of Queens, going to the next

sitcom that's popular, going to the next sitcom

that's popular, etc. type thing. These are all

shows that have merit. These are all shows that

are doing something different. There's a uniqueness

to them, just from an outsider, not necessarily

seen episode by episode. So maybe some people

can draw a lot more connections to stuff from

the past. But I don't think it's necessarily

a case of. Just people voting on what's fresh

in their mind, but it is interesting to see the

parallel between this Yeah, I'll say that I think

VEEP honestly is probably my favorite comedy

that's on TV right now And it's interesting too

because it's it's it's such a hard type of comedy

to quantify I think the thing that I like about

it is like the characters that are on the show

aren't in on the joke like they're not necessarily

trying to be funny they're just naturally funny

in like in the situations that they're in what

do you think appears i think um there are pros

and cons to every candidate so we just need to

weigh up the pros and cons have you been sent

from the future to destroy me because it's working

i think that each candidate has merits and demerits

and i don't know my left butt cheek for my right

butt cheek but i believe in listening to both

butt cheeks and then farting out my asshole mouth

oh you're not even bullshit Bullshitting takes

talent. You have none. You are just a blah, blah,

blah, blah bitch. Okay, Amy, that is enough.

I have bitten my tongue so long it looks like

a dog's cushion. But no more. You have made it

impossible to do this job. You have two settings.

No decision and bad decision. I wouldn't let

you run a bath without having the coast guard

and the fire department standing by, but yet

here you are running America. You are the worst

thing that has happened to this country since

food and buckets and maybe slavery. I've had

enough. I'm gone. Well, I guess she's finished

with her little. Oh, I think part of the issue,

Julie Louis Dreyfus, who You know you completely

forget about her character in Seinfeld. I mean,

they're not dramatically different but personality

wise and she's just a great comedic actress She's

the best comedic best comedic actress Emmy four

years in a row again I think that's kind of the

Emmys liking certain people and voting for her

not that she's not deserving but I think it probably

could have spread it out a little bit but I do

agree with you Kevin. I think it's a combination

of a it's current in B It's really good. I think

with the animated TV or animated movies list.

We saw a lot of questionable movies or You know

more personal favorites. I think this you can

actually go to and say hey, there's actually

proven quality here, but uh At the same time

we're gonna get both love and hate for this.

I think we're gonna get love for the fact that

we're talking about a bunch of these modern shows

and People that you know a lot of shows that

people are watching and people are liking but

at the same time I think we might get a little

hate that they're all showing up now, and I think

people are gonna be Worried about the fact that

there's not enough of them for later. Maybe I

don't know Steve What do you think about that?

I think we all get more love for having them

or more I hate for them coming in now. I Think

it's kind of a double -edged sword because you're

gonna get the people that are more in favor of

the newer shows that are gonna be Upset that

they aren't higher on the list in the like the

top 20 or or 50 anyway And then you're gonna

have people that are more nostalgic and aren't

going to be really affected by it. So I mean,

you're going to kind of run into that as we get

closer to the number one. And I think we're going

to start seeing a lot of, I mean, really the

entire list so far, it's been a nice mix of everything.

Like you really have no idea what's coming at

any given time, unless you are the one looking

at the list. I have a good idea. I have a good

idea. It's weird, but yeah. But I have an unfounded

advantage. I put in the God code for this episode.

Kevin's gotten the God code before, so it's interesting

kind of watching, because I think so far with

this list and with the diversity we have in television

shows, I think that it's made it almost impossible

to get a clear reading on what's coming, although

Kevin has been quite right on some of his picks

so far, which is kind of eerie. Yeah, I mean

and as far as VEEP is I've not seen it, but I

don't really have HBO So I a lot of and I'll

just put this out there a lot of the stuff because

I when I did have HBO for a little bit there

I really didn't care for much of anything. I

saw on it. So it Really didn't rank that high

in my mind. Yeah, I could see that. It's simply

like I said, it's it's a unique form of comedy.

It's hard to really Really kind of explain the

way it works because it's it's not I don't know.

It's I just love the show I just think it's I

laugh. It's really quick where it is. It's really

well written. The timing is Is there there are

a lot of jokes that you can kind of miss in a

way But uh, I I had it in my top 25 like I said,

because it's probably my favorite current comedy

I think I mean I would wish it was a little bit

higher, but I think You know, it's a tough crowd

out there, but all right. Well, we're gonna get

into some different territory as we get into

our next entry. So we've been seeing a lot of

recent stuff and a lot of comedy. We're gonna

get away from that. in two ways a more of a classic

show here and a different genre we're actually

going to get our one of our first westerns of

the countdown with one of the most iconic shows

of all time i guess you could argue as with number

69 we have gun smoke it was on eight lists with

544 points highest ranked as number as 14 by

none other than Kevin Optimus Solo. So Kevin,

let's start with you here. You have another one

on the list. Unfortunately, this one you didn't

hit quite right regarding where it fell. You're

a little upset that we're already seeing a show

like Gunsmoke go down at number 69. I should

not have put those words together. No. Oh, I

think you and I really want to hear that. I'm

choosing not to acknowledge it. First off. No

one can accuse me of being nostalgic for this

because I did not watch Gunsmoke. You weren't

born in like 1940 when it came out? No, this

was off of the air before I was born. But as

far as a show that not just for a year or two

held people's attention and was talked about

and was watched by everybody, this show was on

for 20 seasons, folks. 20 seasons. And 13 of

those, it was Top 10 in the ratings. So I mean,

and the rest of them, it was still rated like

there was obviously there was a battle between

Gunsmoke and Bonanza for a lot of this. And we'll

see if we see Bonanza later on or not. But they

kind of battle each other and flip -flopped.

One would take number one spot and one would,

you know, then the other one was. But Gunsmoke

was the number one rated show in the country

four years. So, I mean, for a show from 1935

to 1975 to be this watch, this popular, this

iconic, I mean, if you talk to anybody that's,

let's see, how old would they be now? If you

talk to any of your grandparents, they're gonna

know what Gunsmoke is. Funny thing is, my grandma

asked me today, and I was talking about this,

she's like, what about Gunsmoke? I'm like, not

yet. Here it is. Your grandma will be excited

that Gunsmoke has made the countdown. I mean,

it didn't win a lot of awards or whatnot. I think

it had like one win for best drama series or

whatever it was called back in the day. Maybe

it was a series of intrigue or something. It

was nominated for more than a dozen Emmys. Right.

And it won for sure for best overall show, but

I don't remember what the categories were back

then. But I don't know. I don't know if a show

that was on for 20 years and was this successful

and this iconic for... a generation for two decades

should be coming in on this side of the 50 mark

but maybe I am just a bigger maybe I give more

credence to the classic shows than I do the modern

shows and maybe that's just kind of my bias.

Fun fact about Amanda I was named after a character

named after an actress that plays a character

on Gunsmoke. Miss Kitty her real name was Amanda

Blake. Wow so I'm guessing you you're kind of

hoping it was much higher in the list since it

does have your namesake. Yeah, it should have

been, just saying. I mean, I've watched quite

a bit of this. My grandma watches things like

this faithfully. Growing up with her, I saw a

lot of things like this. It just, it kind of

has blended all together. Like, I couldn't tell

you one episode to another, so that's why I didn't

really rank it on my list. I think it definitely

is good, though, too, not just to represent a

show that was popular and that was on for so

long, but it also represents a genre that was...

super popular in that time period as well. Westerns

are not something we get a lot of. It's not something

we've gotten a lot of in the last 30 years, even.

But back in the 50s, 60s, there was a ton of

Western shows and this was by far one of the

two most popular ones. So I think it also represents

a genre that deserves representation in this

countdown. Steve, any thoughts on Gunsmoke coming

in at number 69? Although I have not seen it

and it was not on my list because I had not seen

it. I do give it the merit that it does have

20 seasons under its belt. And I will say that

also it wasn't unheard of at that period in time

from like the 1955 to the 1975. They had a plethora

of other Westerns that were on as well. None

of them lasted in an exact 20 years compared

to this one. Some of them came close, but none

of them lasted exactly 20 years like this So

I could definitely see where this has merit being

that it was probably the most popular out of

all of the Westerns that were on at that time

Right. I mean think about this though for a second

That would be the equivalent of a show that started

in the 90s still being popular today Yeah, I

mean, it's it's not something you would definitely

see I mean the closest show that of most recent

that hit that mark was something like Law and

Order, which hit 20 episodes, but it's rare to

happen. I mean, especially for like a live action

show. And Law and Order kind of that wasn't necessarily

like it had its ups and downs. Like it kind of

was more of a back burner show for times, you

know, for some times than it was popular and

it wasn't. Whereas Gunsmoke, I mean, it was pretty

legit as far as that time period goes for the

entire run almost. I mean, with a few minor.

Phillips probably at the end but like Steve was

saying too even when you do take the Two three

dozen Westerns that were on at this time that

were that lasted more than a season or two This

still outlasted all of those. Yeah, it's hard

for me because I look at the number of seasons

is also Why did it get that? And was it overall

quality? Was it much better than those Westerns?

And I did watch a lot of Gunsmoke growing up.

My parents were very big in classic TV, so I

watched a lot of West, a lot of this, a lot of

Bonanza, a lot of classic Zorro, and even some

of those kids' shows. So I was grown, I just

even heard some of the old radio broadcasts from

back in the day. I do agree it should probably

be a Top 50 show, because it's a hard thing to

do. It's a type of format that we don't really

see today at all, where you don't have really

the... a lot of recurring characters a lot of

things change from season to season it's like

that almost a soap opera type approach in a way

where you never know we're gonna get each episode

which is we don't get that because we're used

to building relationships with characters and

I think another piece of it to it not getting

higher is again similar to the Carol Burnett

show a lot of people just don't watch it a lot

of people don't see watch it today and Where

I think like something like a comedy can kind

of be more universal you see it more often more

like action shows western shows with the genre

that's not all that popular to begin with maybe

it doesn't get kind of the recognition it deserves

so I I do think just in its place in history

I think you can argue that it should be higher

and I do think watching it as a kid I have not

seen it in such a long time so I can't say quality

wise if it necessarily deserves to be there but

I do think it should probably be a little higher

I'm glad it didn't make the list because I That

was my worry was that some of the older shows

would be kind of left out in the cold But luckily

luckily to get some love so Yeah, I actually

had gone through my list since I knew I couldn't

fit the remaining 92 shows that I had in the

75 shows that we were gonna count down still

and I kind of highlighted the ones that I thought

were not gonna make the countdown now and I actually

had this one highlighted as not making the countdown

I didn't think people were gonna give it enough

votes. So I'm happy to see it we're out of the

more recent stuff for like one and then we went

back and we went back so let's see if we stay

with that are we going to stay with the classics

what's what's going on with our next entry 68

well with our next entry at number 68 we're a

little bit more recent than gun smoke but still

we're still more classic Especially in in the

way that in what it was about and you know Monday

Tuesday happy days as in number 68 is none other

than happy days coming in with 546 points on

nine lists Highest ranked is number 10 so that

it didn't make one person's top ten Steve. We

will start with you here. We're seeing some classic

companies again We're seeing happy days to me

when I again one of the first classic TV shows

I think I watched thoughts on it coming in here

at number 68. I think it's kind of warranted.

It's definitely one of the most memorable shows,

not only in theme song but in cast of that era.

I'm not real well versed in it. I have seen enough

of it though. I like the characters that they

played. Eventually there were spinoffs from it.

It was a very successful show, especially you

have 11 seasons of it. Yeah, I mean definitely

for sure I mean it the Fonz has his jacket in

the Smithsonian so you know it has his impact

but Amanda do you think we're jumping the shark

here with number 68 with Happy Days coming in?

I don't know what that means, jumping the shark?

Are we dodging a bullet? It's a classic phrase

coming from Happy Days basically where you kind

of just try to, it's from a famous episode from

Happy Days where Fonz jumps over a shark because

you know why not? Why not jump over sharks? That

was before Black Trish was released as a documentary.

But it's yeah, it's basically just saying you're

just trying to do something to be crazy in order

to get attention But it was a bad joke that didn't

work because I'm old I've seen quite a bit of

happy days. I actually have it at number 16 on

my list. I think that the Fonz is one of the

biggest Most known, most iconic characters in

TV, I'm not sure why this is so low. I know that

it's dated, maybe our crowd just hasn't really

fully appreciated it, but like you said, it's

probably one of the first classic TV shows that

I was exposed to as well. It was like Nick at

Night or something like that? It was on? TV Land.

TV Land, yeah. I had a lot of fun with it. I

think it wasn't... It wasn't like leaving the

beaver clean. It definitely was wholesome, too.

Just make yourself comfortable. You aren't going

anywhere until the game's over. Oh, boy. You

must think I'm pretty stupid. I mean, you really

think you can get some sexy chick to call up

luscious legs Cunningham, come on with some real

sweet talk, and you really think I'm gonna buy

that? You bought it. Looks that way, doesn't

it? one so you'll stop playing games now i would

let him go unless you want to make medical history

good choice very nice i think it was a real well

-rounded show that even though it's kind of dated

i think that's still iconic and i know kevin

you had you had this around 48 ish so a little

closer than gun smoke, but still not nearly as

high as you had it you think it's against Similar

situations what we've been talking about. I don't

actually have a problem with it coming in at

68 I know it's 20 lower than what I had it, but

I think it's still in the ballpark. I'm personally

not a huge fan of happy days, but That's just

because it doesn't really hold probably the nostalgic

place that it does for some other people, but

I mean it was Obviously iconic for the 70s. It

was the number one rated show one of the years

of the 11 that it was out there And I think she's

right I think the Fonz is definitely if you were

to do like the top 100 most iconic television

characters I think the Fonz is definitely on

that list So I don't have a problem with it being

somewhere near the middle of the countdown. I

think that's fine I do think it's one of those

shows that did suffer from being on too long

and characters laughed and but at its height

I think it was a really great show that did incorporate

a you know a past time to the 1950s in a fun

way where it took all the kind of the cliches

and the Expected roles for the classic 50s outlook

and made it into its own, you know, it gave us

Ron Howard So he is I guess we'll actually get

a Griffiths did so I don't know I don't know

but And one of the most iconic things actually

and it had two iconic these theme songs It started

with rock rock around the clock tonight and then

moved into the happy day song. So Yeah, so it

does get points for a great theme song That is

true, but well with our next entry we're gonna

go into a ground where we feel very very comfortable

67 I see that because at number 67 we're returning

to an area that we often do with these countdowns

and that is the genre of superheroes But this

time it's a classic superhero show and a classic

superhero show comedy with none other than Batman

the series the 1960 series coming in at number

67 with 575 points it was on 9 list as highest

ranked as number 7 Steve I got to start with

you here because I know you're a huge Batman

fan I don't know how big of a fan you are of

this series I know we often see a superhero bias,

but sometimes you may not see that with a show

like Batman So what are your thoughts on it coming

in at number 67? It's not a bad placement of

it. I mean there are better superhero shows that

came after but I would say that for this You

know for the inception of television up until

around the time we got Wonder Woman I would say

and then even since then we really hadn't had

any good stuff until the 2000s on superhero television

shows since Batman. Even though it was real hokey

and it kind of, it was very dated, I think that

it to some degree still holds up. You can still

watch it. Yeah, you have some of the flower -powered

people in it. You have, you know, the hippies

and all this other stuff that's, you know, very

time -centric to that era. And you have, you

know, false face instead of two -faced because

they couldn't, it was deemed too scary for kids.

Which is hilarious, um, but I think false face,

you know worse than two -faced. Don't you like

I don't know false face sounds a little little

scary Well, like it he yeah, you would think

so I mean false face, but he like he was wearing

a plastic mask over his face That was like translucent

and almost like freakier than having two -faced

be there because he could mimic anybody's face,

but even then I was like, okay, I want to see

this. But they never did it. Then they had, you

know, it started getting kind of bad towards

the third season because you had you had three

Mr. Freezes, you had three Catwomans, you had

two different Riddlers. And this is actors portraying

the same character, like, mind you. So it was

really funny to me to watch this. But. I kind

of grew up with it with my mom so it's it's one

of those shows that kind of held in strong for

me and I have in my top 20 but despite all of

its hokeyness of the 60s Amanda any thoughts

on Batman? I actually did watch quite a bit of

this when I was little my stepdad and I watched

it I don't remember a lot of specifics. I do

remember the there's a lot of color and you know

the blam and the pow and that they would really

accentuate um very made it much like the comic.

I really thought that it was fun I never was

scared of it but I think that um it's showing

up now is a tad surprising that it's so low but

I'm just really not sure how many people have

actually seen it so I guess I can understand

it. Kevin are you surprised it's this low? Are

you surprised it's on the list at all? What are

your thoughts? Okay, uh -huh. I gotta address

like four things. First, I know Mike's gonna

be a little bit upset that this didn't make number

66, instead of number 67. So I apologize for

that. So close, so close. I could have fubbed

things. I could have just, you know. Missed it

by that much. Exactly. Am I surprised that a

superhero show made our countdown? No. Am I su

- prize that batman beats out happy days and

gun smoke yes uh i guess i could see this i if

it was going to make the list i think it probably

belonged to the 90s but i think it does have

something to say for it i have nothing to back

this up and i have absolutely no statistical

data or information to support this but i'm going

to say that this is probably one of the best

-selling tv series on the dvd from the 60s I

can't dispute you because I don't have those

numbers, so I'll go with yes. I just have a feeling

this is one that like... It just recently came

out on DVD, if I'm not mistaken, not too long

ago. Right. Yeah, well, what happened is the

rights for the merchandising was locked away

for years and only recently did Warner Brothers

get their hands back on it. Right, but I just

have a feeling a lot of people have bought this

since it came out. compared to I mean I don't

think there's that much of a demand for some

of the other 60s TV series right now but a lot

of people are buying Batman even if it is just

because they've been introduced through the Dark

Knight or through other you know comics or animated

series and they want to go back and see what

was there before but I mean I don't know. This

is so bad, it's good, right? It's funny because

if you look at the trajectory of this show and

like the geek's relationship with it, like in

the 80s, this show was like people were like

embarrassed by it in a lot of ways because that's

when Tim Burton's movie came out, Batman was

becoming darker. So it was like that was looked

at like, oh, that's the show that almost ruined

Batman. And I think as time has gone by, this

almost become more of a respect and like it's

kind of the pendulum has swung the other way.

And people are now like, yeah, that was a great

time. And it was a great comedy. I think honestly

as a kid I didn't realize it was supposed to

be a comedy because I was young and stupid I

I don't know. I think this is way way too high

for it. I think it's a funny show I mean certainly

its its impact on pop culture is there Adam West

is a great comedic talent. He's a fun Batman

What I was also surprised by it actually did

get an Emmy nomination for best outstanding comedy

series, which I did not expect. That was something

I was surprised by. But what's also funny was

on for three seasons and one almost had a fourth.

But it actually what happened was it got dropped

by ABC and. Before MBC picked it up, they basically

kind of destroyed the sets. And then after they

destroyed the sets, MBC is like, yeah, we'll

do it. But then they found out the sets were

destroyed and then didn't want to pay for them.

So it could have been on for more. They just

didn't destroy the Batcave. So now I guess it

begs the question will we see more superhero

shows or sketch comedies? Yeah, I mean, I guess

this one's kind of an in -betweener I guess in

a little bit of ways both but yeah, I don't know

I I think it's it's it's fine show I I don't

know it like you said Kevin if it should be on

the list I probably would have put in more than

90s, but you know it for superhero bias at least

it's a show that's not in the from four years

ago i guess i don't know but but there we go

all right well we're gonna stay in the geeky

realm with our next entry 66 well we're seeing

the geeky realm but we're gonna go back to the

90s uh for a very 90s show for made by one of

the most well respected men in the geek community

and that's josh weeden with his show buffy the

vampire slayer coming in at number 66 It was

on ten lists It was actually on the most list

of any show we talked about today as high as

ranked as number eight So someone did have it

in their top ten Five hundred and seventy eight

points. It would only beat Batman by three points.

So Buffy barely beat Batman So I don't know how

many often you'll hear you will hear that but

uh, I mean it Let's start with you here any thoughts

on Buffy the vampire slayer. This is the Sarah

Michelle Geller joint. That is correct I have

it as an 86 online. Was there another Buffy's

movie? Well, yes, there was a movie. I love the

original, there's a movie and I love it. It's

got Paul Reubens in it, look it up. I know, but

I was talking about TV shows. But TV, yeah, this

is, I think I saw quite a bit of this back in

the day. I remember in middle school, I had to

write, like one of those Prairie State testing

or something like that, and it's like, write

an essay, and it was something to do with actors

or something, and I chose Spike from Buffy the

Vampire Slayer, so I wrote an entire middle school

essay on a character from the show, and I think

I rocked out. So hardcore. Thanks for coming

in and swooping and save the day, Spike. But

I didn't really care for like Angel, like the

spinoff or whatever, but liking the show so much

as a kid, I had to get into this. I don't remember

a ton of specifics from it, but I definitely

enjoyed all the characters. I think that the

chick from American Pie was in it for a while.

She was pretty cool. Yeah, I love Seth Green,

too. So, I mean, I had fun with the cast. I had

fun with the episodes, but nothing really stuck

out as far as any specific episode. Yeah, I was

surprised with the genre of films and TV shows

that you liked that this wasn't higher ranked

on your list. I was watching TRL more at this

time, so I don't even have time for a book. Don't

admit that. I just wanted to see if you were

okay with your mother. We're both good. You?

If I can go a little while without getting shot

or stabbed, I'll be alright. Look, this can't...

Never be anything. I know. For one thing, you're

like 224 years older than I am. I just gotta...

I gotta walk away from you. I know. Me too. One

of us has to go here. Yeah, this is definitely

one of those shows that I think, I mean, you

guys can correct me if I'm wrong because maybe

you have a better, your hand is more on the pulse

than I was, but is this a show that gained more

popularity as time went? Because I know people

talked about it and watched it and, you know,

it was popular when it was on, but I feel like

it's developed a bigger following as every year

goes by and like it's getting more respect and

more credit later on in life it's like one of

those that had like a longer shelf life where

after the fact people are starting to appreciate

it more or maybe it's just always been appreciated

and i just didn't realize it i think what happened

with buffy is a few things i think at the time

i did have a pretty big falling i was i don't

know for sure but i think it was one of the biggest

wb shows of the time but i think what's happening

though is that Time you had a really weird weird

mix of people who liked Buffy you had that classic

like Dawson's Creek crowd the you know the the

more like non geeky side because you had you

know It's Buffy and then you didn't have a lot

of geeks and guys who were in the show into the

show but in many I think it were felt like Not

ashamed but like unwilling to admit it because

it's the show on CWB. It's centered on a female

character. I think as time went on and Josh Wheaton

became more of Josh Wheaton we know, that fandom

kind of expanded. With the internet, people could

kind of express their love for it, so people

realized it's not just a, you know, to simplify

it, a quote unquote girl show, even though it's

not necessarily that at all. So I do think it

has certainly gained following as it went on,

but I think a lot of it too was just this perception

of what Buffy was when it was much more than

that, I think was part of the problem. If that

makes sense at all. Amanda, it seemed like you

wanted to react. It's not just I know I agree

with you. I'm saying it's not it was it's much

more than that But I think for a lot of people

at the time they watch it. It was like that was

the perception people They were afraid to say

or to give it a chance because they thought oh,

that's just a girl show I'm not gonna watch it.

It's a WB show and all the WB shows for girls

shows at the time Yeah, I think it spawned my

love of charmed as well. I think that was kind

of the same thing as Buffy For me anyways Steve,

any thoughts on Buffy the Vampire Slayer? I watched

it here or there. It wasn't a bad show. I wasn't

too sure about it when I first started watching

it. I watched it for a little bit, enough to

be slightly versed in it at the time, but I can't

remember squat about it now, but I remember enjoying

it one little I did watch. So I do agree that

the cult following has kind of expanded as the

internet has, and I believe that they continued

it. as well as like an anomic form yeah there's

i think there's a comic of both series in a lot

of websites i was looking at some other i was

trying to do some research on like other top

if there was other top 100 tv show lists out

there which there weren't a lot but i'm pretty

sure i saw one that had buffy like number one

or number two out there too I've seen it show

up in a lot of lists. Yeah, that I'm not sure.

What's interesting, too, is that this is the

second Josh Whedon show that we're getting. We

had Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D., which, again,

was another talked about entry from last one.

We now have Buffy. You guys think we're going

to get more shows that have his name attached?

Firefly. Was that him? There's Firefly, Dollhouse.

I feel like there's more that I'm forgetting.

I would be, so probably don't see Firefly. Yeah,

I think I think what we'll probably what we'll

see we'll see where we go any other thoughts

on Buffy before we move on to the next show Nope.

Well with our next entry last time I think for

some reason scrubbers became the show of the

show of the show I Suffice to say that this should

probably be the most talked about show after

the episode is over. I'm almost positive I can

guarantee that and for a number of reasons 65

This is going to be controversial for a few ways

first It's the first time we're getting to a

show in the countdown today where someone ranked

it number one someone on The record today. Are

you kidding me? No, we're ranked at number one.

It was on nine lists 578 points coming in at

number 65. Yes I think having you have an idea

what we're talking about shit. It is the cosplay

Yes, it is a Cosby show coming in number 65 and

the Kevin I'll just kind of just step away and

let you go I mean, that's that's just people

doing political bullshit right there. I don't

you cannot maybe it's just Not political bullshit,

but but the piece runs and I okay I get it like

stuff has come out and the guy It's not that

I'm arguing about that. The show was good, but

the man was a dirtbag. That's fine, but that

does not take away from how good that show was,

in my opinion. And I guess if people wanted to

keep it off the list just because he was involved,

then so be it. But if you're taking all bias

out, biasness towards... the individual out of

this, but this is a top ten show of all time.

That's ridiculous. The cultural impact it had,

it was five times rated the number one show in

the country out of eight seasons, it was nominated

for a ton of awards, it was a breakthrough show,

and there is absolutely no way in hell that this

is not a top ten show of all time. Sorry. Steve,

any thoughts? I remember watching this and it's

it's actually a really good show. There's I don't

see why everybody's getting up in arms about

it. And I agree with you, Kevin, that it's a

show that's warranted a lot of acclaim and a

lot of attention just because of how, you know,

it did teach all of the you know, the right notes

as far as family, you know, sitcom type stuff

ran and to kind of give the show a downer. based

on what the guys done is kind of crap if we did

this list if we had done this list five years

ago there's no 65 oh no there's no way in hell

and i think some people like myself i obviously

i forgot to put it on my list but it had nothing

to do with the the man himself because a few

weeks ago we were talking about that on an altered

geek i mean you know and people were giving us

crap because we were saying it was a good so

you know i i totally get where you're coming

from That's like taking an athlete and saying

they're not they weren't good because they were

involved in something off the field Like give

me a break. That doesn't mean they weren't a

good You can say that the person's a dirtbag

and maybe didn't deserve the chance to play that

sport or to make millions of dollars But you

can't tell me that you know player X or player

B is not a good a good football player and not

a good basketball player just because I mean

Kareem Abdul -Jabbar Will chamberlain or whoever

was dr. J. I mean they had like 1700 children

out of wedlock Does that mean he's not the best

basketball player in the top 10 of all time?

No, so I I guess i'll be on the other side of

this. I did rank it on the show. I Even without

the controversy, I personally don't feel at the

top 10 show of all time. I think it's a great

show, top 25, top 15. I don't know if I'd put

it in the top 10. The ratings -wise and whatnot,

I think it's good, but I don't think it's...

There's not many shows that had more of an impact

as far as being able to put an African -American

family in... a situation where they were both

individuals they weren't portrayed as you know

second class or middle class they were a lawyer

and it was something that had never been done

on tv before to put a black family on tv in this

type of element i agree with that but it doesn't

necessarily i think make that show a good show

just because you know i'm saying that's another

aspect of consent impact that it had as far as

how it portrayed You know another way to look

at and I could see that but I also could see

the other side of that where a lot of people

weren't able to relate to that because of where

those people are coming from but then it did

isolate a lot of people who felt that that those

people aren't who I am, so I can't really relate

to that show, but to get to the idea of ranking

it or not ranking it, I personally have no issue

with not ranking this list. It's hard, and I

get the idea of separating art from the artist,

and I try to do that myself, and look at something

like, you know, a movie directed by Roman Polanski,

and I can... Watch that movie despite what he

has done and I'll be honest when it comes to

something like the Cosby show I can't watch it

today I just can't and it for a lot of reasons

because a it's he's on the show and it's very

much him a representation of him and it just

comes to me as false and it's just like this

idea of Someone who's like almost like a it's

like finding out one of your high school teachers

and finding out that like everything they taught

you and Like yeah, you learn those lessons, but

in the background all these awful things are

happening. So they were living a lie. The morality

they were preaching wasn't something they were

following. And when you have a sort of copy,

there was so much built upon that and at the

time was wonderfully told and was a huge impact.

You go back and look at it now and you have that,

you know, that real life knowledge. It's hard

not to sit there and say, I just can't, I can't

do it. I can't watch this the same way I did

then, especially when that person that is causing

the problems or the person behind it is on the

screen. So you almost feel cheated. You feel

lied to because this is the guy that I I highly

respected I felt like you know, this is he's

a quintessential Family man, like all that other

stuff. So when you when then you find this other

stuff that goes on I I do have a difficulty Sit

there and watching it. But I mean, I don't know.

I do think it should be much higher on the list

I think it's you know, like I said 25 top 25

at the least but again, I don't I don't have

an issue with someone says you know what? No,

I'm not gonna I'm not gonna it's at I'm not gonna

put this on the list because of whatever whatever

issues and yeah i mean is it is that unfair to

the show sure but i think it that don't have

an issue with it uh... would you have to have

the average that it was ranked up on the people

that actually voted for it was ranked uh... thirty

seven against everything for the run thirty seven

so the the people that did vote for intended

to vote for it rather highly i had it up like

number twenty six on my list at their the the

highest rate there was was seventy eight To be

honest though if I'm I don't typically support

when people do this when they're making these

lists to try to fudge the system But if I was

being honest with myself, this would not be the

number one show on my list my number Three or

one of my other numbers would actually be what

I think is the best show of all time but I put

this at number one because I I was trying to

combat the number of people that I knew were

not going to rank it. And I did that with my

number two because of it's an older show and

I wanted to make sure that it didn't get lost

in the shuffle. So it was a little strategic

for me to put it at number one. So it's not like

I actually think it is the number one show. I

just think it's deserving of, like you said,

top 10 for me, top 10 for you, top 20. I would

be fine with that 25, whatever. Yeah, it was

it was only on nine lists, which I think is kind

of the issue here. That that's why it's not getting

further. And, you know, it's and I think like

Steve, it could also be a situation like Steve

where he just forgot about it and didn't put

it on a list because that's all that often happens.

So, Dan, I take it you didn't like it when Hulk

Hogan turned bad. Like in WCW or like or when

you find out that he's really racist because

there's. But I mean I understand what you're

saying, but then if you follow that logic through

fruition then Every you know, it would eliminate

so many things that you probably do like I think

it I think it is a case -by -case basis though

because it's a very specific case when it it's

like Finding out mr. Rogers was a serial killer

or something like that would would then you feel

comfortable? Ranking mr. Rogers as a best educational

show of all time. I mean it I guess for me it

just isn't completely I don't I have no problem

separating it like I would still see mr. Rogers

and say You know, it was teaching lessons and

for someone that doesn't know that if they're

just watching the show It's it's gonna have the

same impact. I don't know. Maybe I'm just seeing

things and way too I think you're putting the

rose -colored glasses on for this one. You're

trying to focus just on the show. I am focusing

on the show. We're voting on the best show of

all time. You can't separate that all the time

because you have a connection to a show. You

have a connection to something you like and you

can't connect with that person the same way anymore

once you see them in a different light like that.

No, it's just that it doesn't go back and then

erase what I got out of the show when I watched

it, I guess, for me. But we better not see Seventh

Heaven show up anymore. Oh, I was I was more

so saying like I can't watch it today like it's

well No, I get that and I haven't even tried

so maybe I would have the same Reaction if I

actually tried to watch it maybe but since I

haven't tried I guess I can't speak to that and

I'll be honest because I'm a little hood I'm

hypocritical with it because like like I said

I can watch like Roman Polanski directed film

and You know, he has been he has his own issues

certainly that are not that far off from Cosby's

it but I can't watch the Cosby show and I can

get what you're saying to a point because of

the character that he's playing in the show and

kind of some of the some of the like it's hard

to Like I said, he is the show like yes There's

a cast of five or six or whatever other people

that that spend a lot of time with him But it

is him that's teaching the lessons. It's him.

I mean Felicia Rashad is doing a little of it,

but it's mainly his antics that sell the show

It's his comedy that sells the show so I mean

I can kind of get what you're saying I guess

for me. It doesn't have the same effect, but

that's not me going back and now trying to watch

it. I think you make a good comparison regarding

something like, for example, like OJ Simpson,

you know, or Lawrence Taylor who have awful off

-the -field issues, but I'm still going to say

that they belong in the Hall of Fame. I still

think that this deserves a spot on the list.

I still think the show itself... Separate you

do have to kind of separate it when I'm voting

for it, but just as an experience point I'm like

I and I'm just was also indicating that I don't

have if someone says, you know what? I'm not

gonna I can't put that on my list. I Understand

it. I don't necessarily was not something I would

do but I could see why that would go through

someone's mind Yeah, people have strong reactions.

So I mean I can I can totally see it too It's

a definite thing in our society that you get

judged very harshly Well, it should be like that,

but it definitely is going to kind of portray

to everything that everybody has ever done in

that light. And, you know, he's not the only

one that that we could say has a show that has

definitely fallen off the the popularity list

because of stuff like that. I actually wasn't

going to put it on my list, but Kevin gave such

a good argument why I should still put it on

my list. Yeah, I have it at number 40, but I

still like some things more than that. Then that

show is even in the same kind of dynamic like

family matters. I loved way more than the show

I think because yeah, you could get behind a

little bit more is a lot more fun That is a product

of you growing up Well, let's go in a different

direction with our next list I think this one

will have a lot less controversy for sure 64

Alright, well coming in at number 64. We're having

another classic show and I did not expect this

to be on the list I'm actually quite happy number

64. It was on ten list It is coming from a cinematic

mind and that of Alfred Hitchcock with Alfred

Hitchcock Presents as I mentioned on ten list

582 points as highest ranked as number seven.

So it didn't make one person's top ten Kevin

let's start with you any thoughts on seeing Alfred

Hitchcock presents coming in at number 64 I mean,

I think this definitely deserves to be involved

in the conversation. I think it represented something

that was pretty unique in the fact that it's

not like a sitcom where there was two dozen other

sitcoms that were doing similar stuff. So I think

from that standpoint, from a unique standpoint

from a creative standpoint I think you can definitely

see that it was on for seven years so it had

some staying power it had some awards it was

highly rated so I mean every aspect that you're

looking from just a number standpoint it has

support so I don't have a problem with this showing

up I think like I said it deserves to be involved

in the conversation. Yeah, I honestly my first

introduction to Alfred Hitchcock was this show

and I just remember the entry You know the beginning

the classic music with the silhouette and it

you know It's similar to that of gun smoke where

like every episode was something new and it was

unique in that way Amanda any thoughts on Alfred

Hitchcock presents? Well, I have it at 94 on

my list. I think that It definitely had its own

style in his, you know, hitchcockian ways. I

think it also spawned a love for some other shows

of mine. I love Tales from the Crypt. Love that.

And I feel like it's got the same kind of feel.

Also like the Twilight Zone stuff. Who can't

love that? I just love that kind of genre though.

I think might be my crux there. It's kind of

a type of TV. I wish we would get back to in

some ways. We really don't see anything quite

like this today Kevin looking at this in gun

smoke. Do you think we have these in the right

order? You think we would flip -flop them either

one deserve to be much higher than the other?

I would put gun smoke a little bit higher. I

think it it's Doing what Alfred Hitchcock did

but then doing it twice as long or three times

as long Which just by itself is not like I said,

but the fact that it was still maintaining For

its you know time frame the same high standards

for that long I would probably flip -flap them

a little bit, but I can see them both being in

the same argument Do we think I know if you look

at the people who contributed to this less? We

saw a lot of people who are very movie centric,

you know Do you think having a movie tie -in

or being influenced by an iconic? Movie director

is a big reason why we're seeing this there.

I think maybe has a part to play because I was

kind of surprised to see it. I thought it might

go unnoticed just because number one, it's from

the, you know, back in the fifties, people don't

have access to it as much. Maybe they haven't

been exposed to it. So I thought it was one that

could get lost in the shuffle. It was definitely

surprised to hear that, but I think maybe the

fact that it is a personality like that, that

maybe resonates more with the crowd that was

involved and that might have helped it. I'm surprised

it's here, but not in surprise and not quality

wise just because I wasn't sure how many people

have watched it or really remember the show.

So really happy that it made the list. I think

it's a good spot for it. Actually not that far

from where I had it on my list. So it's very

cool. I'm glad we're also again where we were

seeing a great deal of old new stuff and we're

kind of seeing some old stuff and some more classic

stuff still make the list. So we are still getting

that similar, not nearly as much diversity as

the first episode, but still getting some, some,

you know, horror films, some western. some comedy,

it's all there. But let's see if that continues

as we get into our next entry. 63. In number

63, well, we're going a little bit more recent

and we had one western and this is kind of more

of an updated western. It was on 8 list with

583 points only beat Alfred Hitchcock by a point.

Albert Hitchcock had 582 points, and it's the

FX drama that just recently ended, and that is

Justified. Like I mentioned on A -List, it's

highest ranked as number two by Mike Powers.

He ranked it number two, and I can see why. I

know this last season was really well regarded.

I'm not sure if you guys have any thoughts at

all on Justified. Amanda, have you seen Justified?

I have not seen Justified. I think I've seen

the... I want to call it a preview for like the

seasons that come up. I don't even know what

you want to call it. It's not like an episode,

but it's something that would play in the beginning

of the episode. So that's all I've been exposed

to. And I love Timothy Oylifan. I think he's

super cool. I don't know why I haven't made time

for this show yet. I don't get it. You said this

is an FX show, correct? It is on FX, but it is

also streaming. All but the most recent season

is streaming on Amazon Prime. Gotcha. I was kind

of curious too on kind of a side note before

you give your thoughts on justified but you know

we saw a whole bunch of the modern comedies early

on in this episode and I was thinking yeah we're

seeing a whole bunch of the modern stuff but

we haven't seen much of the modern you know action

crime drama genres yet so even though we were

seeing a bunch of the comedies kind of checked

off the list, I was wondering at what point we

were going to start seeing maybe some of the

other genres for modern shows, and this is I

guess kind of the first example of it. Yeah,

it's mostly been the comedies and the sketch

shows that have kind of been dominating the list.

This is the first one we're getting that is the

more drama based in, you know, like we haven't

really seen many cop procedurals or cop shows

or things like that. So I don't know what that

means for the list. Well, I do, but I'm going

to lie and say I don't. But so it's cool that

we're finally getting to some of these shows.

And I am a gigantic fan of Justified. Waylon

Gibbons is one of my favorite like antiheroes

ever like he is the kind of like the Hard to

explain almost like an updated Clint Eastwood

in a way a little bit more soft -spoken kind

of badass but often just really funny like and

what's also great about it too is just the relationship

with him and His kind of foil throughout Boy

crowd are played by what givens is also another

fine actor they have this really great dynamic

as in There there are some seasons that are better

than others Season two to me what was one of

the best the last season actually unfortunately

it which I didn't finish was really great But

I think in season two rings as one of my all

-time favorites TV seasons But I will highly

highly recommend checking out justified. It's

really fun show and some great actions of great

comedy and again, it's I think it is dj from

simplistic reviews I think mentioned that like

boyd crowder and raylan gibbons are almost like

a batman robin type and batman joker type of

relationship and I think that's actually a pretty

good comparison so if you enjoy that you might

enjoy justify but All right. Let's move on to

our next on the countdown and we're getting into

another icon in at least in the movie community

62 in at number 62 as I mentioned is another

show that has many ties to films because it has

actually many of its stars are big -time movie

stars of today and that is the show Freaks and

Geeks coming in at number 62 was 590 points.

It was on 10 lists was on quite a few less, as

high as ranked as number 13. As I mentioned,

it is a show full of cinematic talent of today,

with its ties to people like Judd Apatow, Seth

Rogen, Jason Segel, James Franco, its list goes

on and on. But the question is how good was the

show of freaks and geeks when it came out was

I know it's a show that was only on for once

had a lot of love for the people that did enjoy

it, but unfortunately did not have the ratings.

What do you guys think of freaks and geeks coming

in here at number 62? I would guess that this

is also you mentioned in last week's episode.

the list that I believe you said TV Guide or

somebody had done about the top shows that were

cut short or only lasted a couple seasons or,

you know, canceled too soon. I would guess that

this would be something that would be involved

in that kind of conversation. I'm not saying

it made their list, but it sounds like that this

would be something that people would think about

in that vein because I was I actually thought

it was a typo on the Excel sheet that this was

only on one season. I was like, well, that's

not right. But yeah, but that is right. I just

the way it seemed like this was in conversation

much longer than one season. Like people were

talking about it and it was a thing and definitely

has a cult following. So I would actually was

completely wrong in my thought process of this

plastic way more than once. What you have to

do is look for something in the store that's

expensive but looks really cheap, and then you

switch price tags with something that is really

cheap. Then you gotta put the original back on

it and return it for store credit. That's how

I got this jacket. Ten bucks this thing cost

me. Oh, it's beautiful. Clearly worth all the

effort. My dad caught a shop after once, and

he had to lock him in the store, and then the

cops came. Well, my dad says shoplifters cost

him a fortune. Hey, if I own your store, I caught

some little kid shoplifting. I just take him

out back. And I deal with it. Oh, would you,

Mr. Tough Man? Yeah, I would, Mrs. Tough Man.

Oh, like that time when John Ergner kicked your

ass? Like that? Do you mind flapping your lips

somewhere else? You smell. Amanda, any thoughts?

I haven't seen any of it, but I... I mean, I've

heard it mentioned. I think that from the sound

of the caliber of cast that I might have to check

this one out. Yeah, I think honestly, if it stayed

on the air long enough, it could have been like.

The like the new wonder years in that way. It

didn't necessarily use like historical Event

nearly as much as one year said it did really

capture The culture of the you know, the 1980s

in that way and had that dramedy and comedy feel

and did represent that that that the type of

personality of the freaks and geeks of that time

so I really see why a lot of people do gravitate

towards it because I felt like it presenting

a type of people that this was before you know

right before geek culture I think really really

took off so if it maybe was a year or two late

it may have become more popular and I think that

one thing I do get to give Judd Apatow a huge

amount of credit for for this and a lot of his

early films is that guy knows how to cast he

can really spot talent and utilize it like everyone

in this show with 40 year old version like someone

like Jonah Hill. A lot of people who are involved

in his early projects really go on and do a great

thing. So I really like Tricking Geeks. Honestly,

it was a show that I caught up with just because

of this list. I'm like, oh, this is one show

I can actually finish before we because there's

only one season. It's on Netflix and it is, man,

I wish this lasted longer. Do you think this

is more deserving than some of the other one

or two season shows we've talked about? It's

it's it's hard to say I think in in the terms

of like comparing it to something like I'm trying

to think of other shows that were only had one

season that made the list so adventures of briscoe

county jr. I Would think it's definitely deserving

more deserving and that in the genre of like

coming of age And if you look at say other coming

of age shows around that time like Dawson's Creek

boy meets world I think it is far superior to

all those it feels more authentic to me. And

it really, like I said, it does have that one

year's feel where you get you just get this sense

that it's people that are kind of of the time,

but not too much of the time where you're just

like, it's too it's almost kind of gimmicky and

how much you're using the 80s. It was it was

a good like barometer they used. So makes sense.

And speaking of shows with one season or speaking

of recent shows, it's actually we'll see what

happens when we get to our next entry. 61. We

had a huge slew of new modern or more recent

comedies with justified we got a more modern

drama and we're actually getting into another

cop drama or more recent drama and this one I

wonder if It actually was hurt by the fact that

had a second season and coming in at number 61

It is true detective the HBO drama. I guess serial

drama I don't know how you would say it came

in on eight lists as high as ranked this number

five Someone did rank this super super high It

was only on eight lists, but those that ranked

it ranked it relatively high it had an average

rank of 27 So no one really ranked it below their

top 30 top 40. So Kevin we're seeing we're seeing

again more recent stuff pop up here again, a

show like True Detective. This one though does

have two seasons. I know you mentioned you haven't

checked this out though. What are your thoughts

though on seeing a show like True Detective come

in again at number 61? It makes sense to me that

we're seeing the, we've shifted from modern comedies

to more of the modern serious shows because usually

I think those do hold a higher level for people

when they're thinking quality of a show. I think

sometimes it's easier for them to rank. dramas,

action, you know, thriller type stuff ahead of

comedy, just because I think sometimes the comedies

blend together. So I'm not surprised that we're

kind of seeing it in this order, not saying that

that's going to necessarily hold true. I might

be missing a few. I know I'm. We're probably

going to see a few more comedies that we have

so it doesn't surprise me And I know this obviously

a first season of true detective I think is probably

ranks very high on a lot of people's lists of

like best seasons overall like if you're doing

this Whatever top 100 seasons of all time. I'm

sure true detective season one would be pretty

highly ranked I'm in that. Is this a continuation

of the McConaissance? McConaughey's rebirth as

an actor. Okay. Again, I thought that was more

recent than my last badger. Yeah, I thought she

would get that one. I was kind of on the track,

but I didn't want to go with it. I wasn't sure.

You're all about the McConaughey. I don't know

about all that, but I haven't seen any of this.

I've heard a lot of talk of it. I know that there's

a large buzz surrounding it. I'm not all on board

on like every HBO show, I think since I don't

get that network I'm more choosy about what I'm

actually gonna seek out and actively have to

watch because I don't have that channel and I

think this is one that I just... I watched a

lot of cop and crime dramas growing up, so now

that I'm an adult I kind of veered off and I'm

kind of done and over with... kind of over that

phase. So this is not something I've really gotten

behind. Yeah, and I have seen you know true detector

season one in season two and season one I will

be honest with you if Season one was the only

season that came out. I probably would have ranked

it a lot higher in my list I didn't hate season

two, but it just it just wasn't the same and

for a variety of different reasons But the first

season of true detective ranks as some of the

best TV I ever seen how could it be him? If we

already caught him in 95 How indeed detectives

I figured you'd be the one to know And start

asking the right fucking questions Not to put

the expectations to a point where you'll never

be able to enjoy it because it's of setting it

way too high, but as an acting standpoint Matthew

McConaughey, and Woody Harrelson as well. McConaughey

is great, but I think what really makes it worse,

without Woody Harrelson, True to Doctor season

one wouldn't be nearly as good. I think that's

a big part of why scene two was a little lesser

than because it didn't have a character like

Woody Harrelson to kind of, who can do drama

but a bit of comedy just to mix it in there too.

On a visual standpoint, coming from the director

who just recently made Beasts of No Nations,

who had full control of the entire season, could

have one voice. It was unlike anything I've seen

from the opening credits to pretty much the final

season. It did set a high bar. I know when it

comes to recent shows, like we mentioned, it's

hard to gauge where they belong. To me True Detective

Season 1 was one of the best TV shows I've seen

bar none and it set a new bar for what I expect

with TVs. With our next entry in the list though

we're actually going to get into a place we have

yet to get to with this list so let's see what

we have in store. Alright coming in at number

60 with 593 points actually only one more point

than that of sure detective it was on eight lists

It's the first late night talk show that we're

gonna talk about and it's one of the most iconic

It is the tonight show with Johnny Carson coming

in at number 60 Johnny Carson himself Like it

was highest ranked as number three. So it was

ranked. It was in the top five for one person

What do you guys think about seeing a it being

our first talk show on the list does it belong

here? And is it knowing how? influential Carson

has been on TV should it be higher I Mean if

you're if you're someone that believes it should

be in the conversation, which I think it should

I mean talk shows late night talk shows then

This is one of the most iconic ones. So I mean

it makes perfect sense that this is on there

it begs to to ask the question then if we have

anything else on here if we have like a Letterman

or Leno or something like that ranked above Johnny

Carson then I think the debate begins because

I mean Johnny Carson was what was it three decades

that that was on and it really set the bar for

what late night could be and for a lot of people

should be I guess and it's hard to argue with

his you know him as a personality as a character

and as a comedian so I think if you're including

late night shows that he has to be one that's

represented. I myself did not vote for any of

the late night shows, but again, I also didn't

vote for Sesame Street and Saved by the Bell

and a lot of other things just in my narrow vision

of what I was trying to come up with. But I think

it definitely deserves to be a part of the conversation.

Amanda, what are your thoughts on seeing Johnny

Carson here? I think a lot of what Kevin said

definitely hold true. I think it'll be interesting

to see if any of these other shows do pop up

and where they're located on the list in relation

to this. I think that they should definitely

be under such an iconic and kind of revolutionary

name behind that kind of genre of show, so I'm

a little curious to see if anything else pops

up because I believe that they should definitely

be below Johnny Carson. I think for sure if you're

gonna look at the like The host of late night

to has had the biggest impact on comedy I don't

think and you've asked comics that I'm sure all

of them would say yes Johnny Carson kids And

they said that tonight show was a show that can

make a break careers You know those people person

and got his seal approval and next thing you

know they're having a sitcom or how you know

Drew Carey to Jerry Seinfeld to do number of

other different comedians got their break because

of of Carson. I watched a little Carson when

I was younger, you know, I was, you know, it

came long before my time and ended just as I

was old, getting old enough to stay up that late.

And, you know, he certainly is funny. I think,

though, I tend to, personality -wise, or more

sense of humor -wise, I tend to go through other

late night comedians, but, you know, with a judge.

It seems like with late night stuff in particular,

everybody has a distinct taste of what kind of

comedian they like. It is yeah, and they're very

different like you know Carson's different than

Leno different than Letterman So it is I think

it's not necessarily one's better than the next

it's just like what fits the mold that you enjoy

and So that's where it gets kind of difficult

So if you're just looking at okay What show has

to be because they argue that maybe Carson should

have been much higher than it is but again that

depends upon if we're gonna get more late -night

shows that are in the same milk, but All right.

Well, let's move on to our next show in the countdown

59 It was actually interesting last week. We

had very little, very little cop dramas, very

little cop procedurals, cop shows, and now we

had a lot of comedies and I feel like this one

we're getting a little bit more mixes. We're

getting another cop drama. Unfortunately, TFG1

Mike is not here because this is the one he had

the highest ranked, which is surprising because

I didn't think this is a show he would like.

But coming in at number 59, it's another FX show.

One of FX's first, I think, big hits, big drama

hits, and that is The Shield with 595 points.

list as I mentioned, as high as ranked as number

two by TFD1 Mike. Do you think we're seeing the

end of comedy and we're just going to go drama

from here on out? I don't think we're done with

comedy. I think what we have, especially when

you do these lists, you're going to have a lot

of things that... are either fresh on people's

minds or cult followings or stuff like that that

shows up more in the first half of the list.

So maybe we've seen the majority of those comedies,

but then I think the ones that really kind of

are on a different level will still see. So I

mean, I think we'll, and not say that some people

couldn't make an argument for some of the ones

that you've made arguments for with the few that

we've seen earlier on in this episode, but I

think now you'll start to get a separation where

you get those that are on maybe an upper echelon.

And so I think we're kind of going through some

of the dramas now too that, and the cop dramas

and those action shows that kind of fit in that

same ilk that are, that had a big following or

maybe at one point did, but maybe don't, people

aren't quite ready to put on maybe that upper

level. and I mean I had it ranked at number 69

which it's a number 60 so it's not too far off

but regardless of where I ranked it I did fully

expect to see the shield on this episode because

I think it is it's a it's a group it belongs

to a group of cop shows action drama shows that

are love that do have a following that did have

their moment but I don't think maybe I need to

put them in that upper echelon so I I'm not surprised

at all that we're seeing it. Amanda, any thoughts

on the sheep? Only, I've been seeing that guy

that plays the thing in the other Fantastic Four

movies. What's his name? Michael Chiklis? I've

seen a ton of shows that I watch like he's on

Gotham right now. He's an American Horror Story

last season I just feel like I've been seeing

him everywhere lately. So I don't I don't think

I watched really any of the shield I think maybe

I saw the first couple episodes and He's just

like a really angry douchey cop right detective

and just he kind of bent the rules a little bit

He was very much in like anti -hero definitely

would break questionable methods for sure and

uh, yeah, definitely like he uh douchebag is

a good word. I guess I don't know Yes, I can't

speak too much about it, but i'm not surprised

to see it My tv knowledge is not as great, but

I feel like the shield was one of the first cable

shows that was looked at on the same level as

like other network TV shows. I remember there

was a time when like cable was lesser than, you

know, it was just kind of like, it never had

the same type of quality as you would get in

a network TV. But like the Shield, it did win

an Emmy in 2002 for best series. And I think

it, I don't know if that was the first cable

series to do that, but I think it was along with

a few other shows showed that yes, you know,

a network like FX could compete with that of

NBC Fox. in all the other time period when we

were getting a barrage of all these different

channels that were that were instead of being

specific to like like not that MTV was music

videos ever but once upon a time it was but I

mean you had different channels that were specific

for food shows or for this show or for that show

and it was the early 2000s was really Time where

these channels started or other channels decided

to try to do series and have them be more serious

It wasn't just like the comedic Minor League

stuff that you saw on USA TBS or TNT type things

it was more like You know FX and some of these

other channels actually joining Joining the conversation

and it kind of represented a switch in the whole

channel lineup where we were seeing some more

expansion into hey it's not just a few not just

the main three or four that can hold serious

serious Yeah, I remember like remembering cable

just like that's where I'd go to watch the shows

that would on our network TV during the day Like

it was like it was just indication and you know

there the USA had like silk stockings and stuff

like that But it nothing that was you know taking

all that seriously. I think she'll kind of just

certainly raised the bar We mentioned it was

like always sunny as well like I think it's great

I think you can help me make the argument could

be higher on the list. I'm sure Mike will make

that argument, but uh He had a number two which

is that which is odd, you know knowing his taste

I was surprised he liked the show as much as

he did Yeah, I know like you know There's other

comp shows and I feel like a lot of people rank

this as one of the best So I think you do see

like a lot of love for the shield. So Alright,

let's move on to next in the countdown 58 well

with the next entry I'm sure as we haven't got

more of these As you know, we are a network that

does love its animation We've had one animated

show so far and we're gonna get back to that

with number 58 with we talked about MTV Ironically

enough another MTV show or maybe the only MTV

show we're gonna have on this list At number

58. We have Beavis and butthead coming in with

599 points just not quite making that 600 barrier

It was on only a nine list, but as high as ranked

as number eight So someone did have it in their

top ten And again, it's been a while. Last time

we had an animated show was back with 97 in the

Flintstones. Any surprise of seeing Beavis and

Butt -head making this countdown? Oh, I'm super

happy that it did. I have it at number 28. It

was one of the shows I remember not being allowed

to watch, but definitely still watching when

mom left the room. Going down to the basement

and making sure you had that station. the previous

that you know that you could hit the flashback

button was key when you were a teenager yeah

totally needed that so um i i was exposed to

this probably too early but um i i fell in love

with the characters they're they're the most

quotable for me uh out of a long string of like

animated stuff i think that um everybody has

a an impersonation of either beavis or butthead

maybe both i think that Even the movie that was

spawned from it was amazing. I love it. This

is stuff that I can re -watch. They even brought

it back for a while with new stuff and it still

worked. Even when they're sitting in the living

room watching TV and the music videos, they were

showing newer stuff and they were reacting to

this newer stuff and the same kind of gimmick

that they're playing on still worked for me.

I loved it. Kevin is this the first show that's

gonna have that trifecta showing up in the animated

series animated movie and now top 100 TV shows

There's gonna be two that have the hat trick

I believe and Yeah, I mean if I'm looking at

animated shows that I thought deserved to be

in the top 100 I only had room for three and

Beavis and Butthead was not one of them. If I

was expanding this list and doing like let's

say top 150 or top 200 shows then Beavis and

Butthead for sure I would probably have in there.

I just didn't think it quite was on the same

level as the Flintstones or the other two that

I ranked personally but I don't have a problem

with with people putting it on there. If you're

going to tell me that Beavis and Butthead deserves

to be ranked higher than Happy Days, Gunsmoke,

and the Cosby show, then I might question you.

I think this is out of all the shows we talked

about, I think I remember being this butt -head

individual episodes the most. I didn't know that.

Yeah, I remember a ton of Beavis. It's ridiculous.

I was I was Beavis for our senior year for our

homecoming week. One of them was like cartoon

day and I dressed up like Beavis. I made my own

Metallica shirt. I got a hold of one of my guy

friends and borrowed a pair of their shorts.

I wore my circus. I did. I wore a bullhawk. I

went around doing the corn. thing all day. It

was great. Wow. Wow. Man, that's dedication and

that is dedication. I hope you won whatever contest.

Oddly the first thing I think of when I think

of Beavis and Butt -It, I actually think of the

video game back in the day. But I actually did

rank Beavis and Butt -It. I had it in my late

80s. I actually didn't have a recent revival,

which I thought was kind of interesting, where

they replaced music videos since those don't

exist anymore with reality TV and made fun of

that stuff, which was genius. I think that was

an amazing thing to do. I was actually thought

the movie was far superior than the series Yeah,

I I didn't watch the series a great deal growing

up similar to Amanda I wasn't really necessarily

allowed to but you know, I did here and there

but I remember There was a time where I hated

when they did the music videos and then I in

the night guy I realized they were making fun

of everything and like I didn't it's in talking

about influence I know they did have a huge influence

in the 90s good and bad it had controversy set

to it and all that so other show spawned a whole

bunch of other animation that we probably wouldn't

have got at that. Dari? No, I wasn't thinking

about Dari. Dari, I feel like is in the same

vein as Beavis and Butt -Head. No, no, yeah,

I'm talking about like later on down the road,

like the kind of the path that Beavis took. Like

Archer or something like that? Uh, in a way.

Or is it that raunchy animated? Yeah, and a lot

of other stuff that you kind of got on Adult

Swim type programming. Well, let me see Adult

Swim. Alright, well let's move on to the next

in the countdown. 57. Alright coming in at number

57. We are we talked about we had a lot of drama

We will we just had an animated film But we're

returning to the world of comedy as we get into

another recent comedy actually that ended a few

seasons ago or a few years ago I should say at

number 57 coming in with 617 points to the first

show to break the 600 barrier. It was on 12 lists

It was actually on the most list of the countdown

so far and as high as ranked as number six. So

oddly enough, it was a rare thing for this where

you had a few people rank it really high, but

a lot of people ranked it more later. So, but

coming in at number 57, 30 Rocks, the Tina Fey,

Alec Baldwin comedy. We've had a lot of recent

comedies come in on this list. We've had Veep,

we've had Silicon Valley talking about this week.

We had Always Sunny and Louie last week. 30 rock

coming in now being you know, the highest rank

so far Do you think as the list stands that we

got got it, right? Seeing 30 rock ranked higher

than those other reason would be an interesting

discussion to have with people just on Comedies

that you know between the years of 2005 and 2015

2008 2015 just to see how people would rank those

because I think it'd be interesting to see like,

you know between Some of the ones you said like

Modern Family, How I Met Your Mother, the ones

you mentioned, Throw a 30 Rock in there. It'd

be interesting to see how it all plays out. I

personally... I mean, I did rank 30 Rocks. I

had it at number 98, I believe. So, I mean, I

can see it definitely being in there. It was

on for quite a while. It definitely had the awards

acclaim. It definitely had the ratings going

for it. Definitely had some smart comedy going

for it. So, I don't know how people will say

that if we got it right or not, having it on

this side of things like Modern Family, et cetera,

or if they think we got it in reverse order.

I'm not sure. I'm in. Any thoughts on 30 Rock?

You know, I haven't seen only a few minutes of

an episode here or there. It's not really something

that I got into. So I really can't watch on it,

but I do know that it's definitely... I'm a little

surprised to see it so high though. I'm wondering,

Dan, kind of throwing your own question back

at you. Do you think we've got it right so far

with all the modern comedies? Well, I've only

watched a few seasons of 30 Rock and it's a weird

show for me where it's like... It's a real comedy

and like it's something where I'm not necessarily

laughing but I can recognize it's that it's crime

just got a new worst friend Show I am very excited

about a New York City detective solves crimes

with the help of his new partner God so God just

tells him who did it God can't just tell him

who did it watch the pilot lemon it's all explained

in the end by the wise black man played by carl

malone hang on did you cast yourself in this

show what can i say we saw hundreds of actors

for god finally the network executive said i

should display it you're the network executive

you're playing with people's lives here who do

you think you are god we're ready for you you

know it's just like i can i can like oh this

is this is not for me but i i and i can enjoy

it in the fact that i like the characters and

i find it fun but i'm not necessarily laughing

I love Louie. I feel like that is my one of my

favorite comedies, and Veep, in Silicon Valley

I feel a little bit better then, but that's more

personal. If I was gonna take my objective or

subjective opinion out and thinking objectively,

I do think that, you know, you look at 30 Rock

and the acclaim is hard to deny. I mean, in 2009,

it set the single season, or single year record

for how many Emmy nominations a comedy received

with 22. It's one, you know, year after year

it won best comedy series. Balls won one like

every award ever Tina Fey as well and it's certainly

even you see its influence now as like you have

to show like unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt which

is very much in the same vein as 30 Rock I think

that 30 Rock is in a certain echelon as well

it's it's different like you're there's almost

different types where I put like 30 Rock in one

category and with other shows maybe a letter

on mbc and i put like silicon valley and people

in another category and modern family with like

how i met you mother and i would put like you

know 30 rock and at the top of its end modern

family the top of its pile and then people on

top of its pile uh so it It's within the genre

of comedy. I think we got it right though I think

I would have probably put a you know as a personal

favorite to my other shows a little higher but

I think honestly you can make the argument that

30 Rock should be Should be higher than it is

because uh, you know, like I mentioned there

was a few people that had it ranked It was weird.

Like there is a few people that had it ranked

in the top 25 But then everybody else it was

80 or below. So it was there's like no one in

the middle It was like that which is kind of

funny And I don't know. I think you know, we've

seen a whole bunch of modern comedies. I think

we're we're almost getting to the end though

I mean I can I'd be surprised if we see more

than two to three more modern comedies Well,

we'll see I can say with the next list. We're

definitely getting back to uh Well, let's say

with the next one on the entry of a little story

56 well, we had one 90s comedy. We're gonna get

another classic 90s comedy with that of the Fresh

Prince of Bel -Air coming in at number 56 with

628 points. It was only on 10 lists. It was actually

on less lists than that of 30 Rock, but it had

people rank it a lot higher as highest ranked

as number 9. So someone had it in their top 10.

Amanda, let's start with you because you're a

fan of the Full House 90 comedies. What about

Fresh Prince? Where does that rank for you? I

have it at 25, but I do think this is one of

my favorite shows growing up. It's where my love

for Will Smith was founded and my rule that if

Will Smith cries and I too have to cry in whatever's

going on. I think I learned a lot of lessons

from this. I had a lot of fun with this. I think

that it opened my eyes to, you know, different...

like fashion and cultures and like the difference

between, you know, basically the burbs and the

city a little bit more. I think that the comedy

really worked. I think I still can watch this

and the comedy will work and it still engages

me throughout. And I think that, you know, it's

got some of the most iconic characters as well,

like Carlton, like who doesn't try to do that

Carlton dance? Try to, which is natural for some

of us. I think there was a lot of lessons in

this, but I also think it was a lot of fun and

it danced on the edge of being a little scandalous

every once in a while. I really enjoyed it. Kevin,

question for you. So we've had the French Prince

of Bel Air, we've had Happy Days in this episode.

Who's cooler, Will Smith or the Fonz? Man, nobody's

cooler than Will Smith. Even the Fonz, though.

I mean, it's tough, but I mean, growing up in

the 80s or 90s, it's hard to... If I saw someone

with a high top fade, I would think they're pretty

cool, even if I couldn't do it myself. I love

Will Smith, and I love the theme song. I don't

like any other character in the show though.

So even uncle Phil come on go Phil. I mean I

Think this is just something that was after my

time. So I just don't have the how is it after

your time? How is it any different from because

I grew up with the 80s? Okay, let's go. Let's

bring it back to the Cosby's. This was all a

judge the actor's name but i did like the butler

second favorite character no i i like the show

i watched it but i just didn't have that same

connection that i did with maybe some of the

earlier stuff that it was on when i was growing

up that hit me at the right time it wasn't fucking

serious i'm not talking i would not compare it

to cosmic show in any way shape or form when

I'm talking about the other ones. No, I'm saying

when I'm talking about the ones that have more

of a nostalgic appeal to me. But I have no problem

with people voting on this. It didn't make my

top 100. It's another show. You didn't put this

on your top 100 at all? No. It would be another

one that's probably in the conversation for me

for top 200. But I just... Sometimes I don't

know about you. Besides Will Smith, it didn't...

Besides Will Smith? It didn't have anything that,

like, separated itself for me from the pack of

sitcoms that are of the exact same... Type that

we got in the 90s take full house take home improvement

take Family Matters take Fresh Prince They probably

name a bunch of other in Fresh Prince came in

what time period all those no I'm just saying

they were all kind of within the same Ten year

period give or take which ones were first or

not and it's hard for me to separate any of them

out and can anybody Talk about okay Family Matters.

There's Urkel, right? That's what I'm saying,

but you're also at a different age for that,

so maybe it just resonates better for you. It's

got nothing to do with age, really, it doesn't.

I think it does. I don't think it does. If it's

going to be a formula, and you're saying this

happens the same 10 -year period, right? From

1988 -89 to 1995 -96, like that 10 -year period.

You're six years older than me. Right. How is

that creating that much of a gap? Because When

I was watching these shows I was definitely not

the age group they were gearing it towards and

I still enjoyed it And I've even seen this on

reruns and I still enjoy to this day. Oh I'll

kind of oddly I'll kind of come in the middle

here. I didn't have it in my top 100. I thought

that Didn't I know and I actually did grow up

with the show looking as a kid and it's so much

a full house I do think it stands up better than

full house. I'm watching it now. I I don't know

if I can I can Like it nearly as much. I said

the the Fonz Will Smith Comparison because I

feel like Will Smith was the Fonz of the 90s

or you know, he was like the like the essence

of coldness when it came to To the 90s, especially

that's why all I remember being super excited

for Independence Day because that's a guy from

the Fresh Prince of Bel Air and you know Though

I didn't have my top 100, I could see it belonging

and it did certainly have its place in the 90s.

I would probably put it in last week's episode,

maybe even flip -flop it with Cosby Show or flip

-flop it with Home Improvement. Because I feel

like Home Improvement and then Fresh Prince and

then Full House if I were to rank them. But I

did love it growing up. I just think that it's

so iconic. It's so fun. You you learned a ton

of lessons You got the feels and him and Jesse

Jeff were turned up forever. I mean they turned

out for what? I think that you guys are a little

crazy for not even giving it a little love Just

didn't have room for it, I'm sorry. It just didn't

make it. Maybe I just don't have room in my life

for thinking you're cool anymore. I never claimed

to be cool, so I'm fine with that. Alright, well

we talked about not seeing any more modern comedies,

but let's see what happens with next on our list.

All right. Well, Kevin, you said you only see

one or two modern comedies. Well, we're seeing

one again, because I'm coming in at number 55.

I talked about the Cosby show being a show of

the episode. This might be another show of the

episode where we get a lot of debate. Some people

saying it should be higher, some saying it should

be lower, some maybe saying it shouldn't be on

the list at all. Coming in at number 55, we have

the Big Bang Theory. It was on 11 lists. So it

was on quite a few lists as high as ranked as

number 14 by Steve Phillips Steve Megatron Phillips

and if you have it not realized unfortunately,

he did have to step out for Daddy duty did call

so unfortunately, he would have to leave tonight's

podcast as uh other responsibilities came up,

but it received 630 points was only two more

points than The big bing theory and I talked

about last week with how close the point totals

were that's really continuing this week where

you're only seeing a jump up of maybe five points

at the most from show to show so these shows

are super super close but Kevin you talked about

only seeing two more modern comedies you thinking

that means we're only gonna see one more after

this? I said two possibly three and this was

one of the ones I was considering as the two

so yeah no surprise that Big Bang Theory is showing

up on our list I think there's one more that

debuted two years after that that we're also

gonna see and then there's an outside shot for

a third one but yeah Big Bang Theory I think

a ton of people like this. It has a huge following,

also has the awards, also has the ratings, also

has the water cooler talk, you know, it's just

the stuff that people are talking about or, you

know, having conversations about. There's a ton

of pop culture type stuff being, you know, coming

out and also being referenced in the show. Talk

about a bunch of 80s and 90s TV stars making

a return too in the show. I'm not surprised at

all. I... I don't know. I think this is one that's

also going to rate or kind of wage the debate

here because I think what you have is you have

a show like Mother or Big Bang Theory that maybe

have more popular appeal but then I think you

have stuff like 30 Rock and Modern Family. Like

you said, it's a different group and I think

a lot of people would probably put those as higher

quality shows but... Modern Family I think is

one that has a little bit of both But it necessarily

appeals to a different audience But you know

Big Bang Theory is like the one show that it

still gets ratings like shows did in the past

Which is which is insane to me, but I made any

thoughts on Big Bang Theory coming in at number

55 came in so low especially this being a geek

centric focus group for lists I thought this

would come in much higher I'm not a huge fan

of the show I just haven't watched a ton of it

what I have seen of it I think it's definitely

another one of those inside jokey pop culture

driven shows But I think that there's gotta be

a reason for the huge following. I don't seek

the show out, but if it's on, like somebody else

is watching it, I'm gonna watch it and I'm gonna,

you know, enjoy it. Not something I go nuts for

though, definitely, but shocked. Very shocked

that it's not higher. It's interesting because

I feel like this is the first time I've talked

about the show and Mike and Steve weren't on

it So I didn't have to come off as a morally

negative person on the show because the way I

look at Big Bang Theory It's kind of like like

a pop song and in where it has the chorus it

has the jokes You kind of know each episode that's

gonna make you can you know where it's going.

It's it's easy on the ears It's easy to follow.

It's you know, it's at the end of the day It

kind of makes you feel good and I could see that

with Big Bang Theory. It's not necessarily overly

complex if fits kind of the classic sitcom model.

I think this is a decent place for it. Like you

said, I could, I know some people are gonna want

it a lot higher than it is. I know there are

geeks who hate, hate the show because they feel

it, it kind of demeans the culture or kind of

makes pokes fun of it. And I kind of see that

point at times. I think my biggest issue is I

feel the jokes are just like too easy. It goes

after easy targets, like going into a comic book

shop and a girl comes in and like everyone freaks

out. And like, that's like a joke. It's like,

Oh girls, and go to comic book shops. That's

funny because like I feel now the comic shop

I go into it's so much more diverse than it ever

was before I'm sure they're well There's always

socially awkward nerds when you ever go to a

comic book comedy like yeah This guy does not

how to communicate with people outside of this

imaginary friends. So there So yeah, I just I

don't know. I think it's a good place for it.

I don't hate the show I'm not I did have it on

my list. I had it in the 80s Jim Parsons He wins

like a trillion Emmys every year for his role

and I do think his performance is quite good

I don't know. I don't have the the same love

for it as a lot of people do. I personally think

if I was making the list, I would switch this

with Community because I feel Community is much

more of an interesting show. Alright, let's keep

the list going. 54. The recent show theme keeps

on going as we have another show that... Only

debuted in 2014, its new season in 2015 just

recently started as in number 54. Again, another

FX show. Like I did not expect FX to dominate

this list as it feels like it has been for this

last few episodes. But coming in at number 54,

Fargo. So are we calm? Are we calm? Now here's

what's gonna happen. I'm gonna make some calls,

like I said. Because this is the first that I've...

But if it's true, if Sam did miss some payments,

then they're within their rights to... I think

we might have a problem here. Another show with

movie tie -in as it is a movie... Made into a

TV series, it received 633 points, only 3 more

points than The Big Bang Theory, only on 10 lists,

though as high as ranked as number 2. Again,

I think this might be a case where we're seeing

a lot of our movie friends really showing their

love for film and its influences there. Kev,

any thoughts on seeing Fargo at number 50? This

one is a little shocking to me. I did not have

this even anywhere remotely in the vicinity of

my radar. So I'm not saying anything against

it or anything. I haven't seen it It's fairly

new but I don't know if this has a combination

of both being fresh on our minds It's new it

also has movie connections when we have a lot

of movie people helping us make the list But

I I guess I just didn't even think about this

and it's not even one that I considered So maybe

that's my fault. I don't know. I do I do actually

love Fargo I think that the bad thing about Fargo

is that It came out it debuted the same year

as true detective and not that far away and it

was kind of a similar thing where you had You

know anthology series and really big -name actors

I don't know, I wouldn't say it's as good as

True Detective, but it's not that far off. Billy

Bob Thornton's performance in this is quite good.

It did receive Emmy nominations as well for outstanding

miniseries and directing and casting as well.

It had Golden Globe nominations. I think, too,

it's season two so far. It's actually been much

better than season two of True Detective. So

it actually might end up being a better show

overall than True Detective. But I was surprised

it was this high. I think I could see it making

top. 100 but it again a situation where the people

who voted for it tended to vote for it really

highly all the way up to number two I maybe in

the 80s or 90s I do think 54 is a little little

little too high just for shows I think it had

a proven track record that were during nearly

as good but Amanda any thoughts on Fargo coming

in at 54 a lot of left field for me, definitely.

I don't really agree with it being on the top

100 as of yet. I think maybe if it was a personal

list, strictly personal, I think that would definitely

be okay. But as far as matching this up and putting

it this high with some of the shows, I've seen

that we will see is kind of comical. I could

see this in a few years from now and it would

make more sense for it being where it is here.

But again, I think it's a situation where Exposure

is a huge thing, you know, what's on your mind

is a huge thing and sometimes I think that's

where recent stuff tends to get a little bit

more love, you know, than some of the classics.

I would not have expected this to beat out Homeland

and True Detective and some of the other modern

ones we've gotten. I'm surprised. Yeah, and it

was also on more lists, too. It was on two more

lists in True Detective. So I think, again, what's

on your mind recently, so I think the season

two of True Detective, where some people truly

just hated, may have again kind of affected their

viewpoint. But let's see how things go as we're

getting down to the nitty gritty of this week's

episode. At number 53 we're actually getting

to a show I talked to you guys about not that

long ago on an episode of cinema geeks when we're

kind of discussing what we're getting into with

the top 100 series. Another show that's not necessarily

movie tie -in but it's certainly a genre we've

talked about actually a few times today with

westerns as with number 54 we have the HBO western

drama Deadwood with 635 points it was on 10 list

as high strength as number For I on an episode

of so many geeks actually mentioned that I was

catching up with simply because of this list

After watching the show, I felt in love with

it. Oddly, I would say we don't see westerns

that much anymore, though this year I feel like

there's like a trillion westerns coming out this

year. But most years we don't see a lot of westerns.

For a long time, I would think Deadwood might

have been one of the best. It just, production

-wise, looked amazing. And we talked about Justified

today. Tim Lee Olfen's character in that very

much, I think, got a start within Deadwood. Great

performance all around. It just, I don't know,

it's in the detail. I think and it just the the

way it portrayed the last I felt like for a genre

that's been around for such a long time Any thoughts

on Deadwood coming in here at number 53? And

I think one reason why it was capable of making

my list as well was because of the genre aspect

of it being something that was completely different

and like you said for a good amount of time the

only Western of its quality, I guess you could

say. So, I mean, I had it on my list at number

80 just because I haven't seen enough of it to

rank it higher, but just based on the uniqueness

of it and the kind of the only one that held

its ground there in that area for me, as well

as being the critical claimant, well talked about

in some nominations, et cetera, et cetera. So,

I mean, I think it's deserving to be in the top

100 conversation for sure. what's next on the

list let's just say I think we're gonna get to

another one that's gonna have a lot of people

buzzing 52 all right coming at number 52 superhero

bias anyone I don't know With six hundred and

thirty six points or point than Deadwood on only

an eight list though That to me was a shock only

eight less, but those that ranked it high Did

rank it those who ranked it ranked it high as

highest ranked as number four by my fellow talking

in circles made to talk Davis Of course, we have

that of arrow which is kind of the show that

basically made talking in circles happen in a

way but Again, another superhero show. So this

is the third one. We've seen so far with arrow

Batman and agents of shield Are we getting that

rank right so far as we go down the superhero

ring? Okay, if you're asking me if agents of

shield is the worst out of those three Yes, I

guess we've got that right but Do any of them

deserve to be in top 100? Um, I guess you could

make an argument for batman and maybe Kind of

edge going to us that batman should be in the

conversation And I guess if batman's in arrow

should be in number 52 I don't know chuck ranking

at number four It does sponsor talking so girls.

They don't they are not aware of that. Don't

tell them. Um, but yeah That means that we should

definitely see two more superhero shows. Amanda,

any thoughts on Arrow making it to 52 too high

or do you think being a geek list, it's just

at the right spot? I think being a geek list

and I think that it is a solid show. I think

we kind of fell off a little bit in it, but we

need to pick it back up because the season seems

to or the show has seemed to pick up in these

latest season. I couldn't tell you about the

ranking. I think that I could see maybe even

a couple spaces higher at 50, not a huge difference,

but I think that it definitely has a place on

the list, not sure where. You gave me purpose

We're just getting started Yeah, I like arrow

I think it's a really inconsistent show I think

he's it has one really really good season with

season 2 season ones Okay, season 3 was pretty

bad season 4 has been better I have a lot of

issues with arrow one being I feel like everyone

becomes a superhero over like a weekend of training

It's like I would I went to camp for weekend

and now I can fight super villains and you know

and that and it keeps using the the same type

of conflicts over and over again. I think in

the sense of looking at where we are with superhero

TV shows, you know, looking at what came before,

stuff like Smallville, Lois and Clark, things

of that ilk, I do think it put us in a new direction

in what to expect with superhero TV. It did at

least kind of, you know, give us other you know

superhero shows we might not we might see later

today and yeah it's basically batman you know

an arrow becomes that like a stand -in for batman

i i think this is way too high again it's a geocast

radio show we have a superhero bias honestly

i'm surprised it's not higher uh i'm surprised

it was only at eight lists i think that that

that that kind of surprised me i'm surprised

There's gonna be a couple that are in the top

50 probably that means so Whatever. I mean I

would put this in the 90s if I'm putting it on

the list Yeah, I mean like I mean putting it

ahead of shows like the shield deadwood and stuff

like yeah You kind of know where our fan base

stands But I'd be curious to hear what people

have to say because I know there are a lot of

people who may think didn't make it high enough

I don't know. We'll see But we have one more

show to go for today and let's see if we get

another Current Joe. Are we gonna get are we

gonna get to go back to the classics again? 51

Well with number 51 we are going before we get

into the top 50s. We're gonna We're gonna get

into one more classic comedy I kind of wish this

show didn't make the top 50 because I do feel

like it deserves a higher spot But what are you

gonna do coming at number 54 with 600? in 37

points, which is only one more point in Arrow.

Though this was on 12 lists. Again, it ties 30

Rock for the most lists so far. As high as ranked

as number eight, we have the Dick Van Dyke Show

at number 51. We've had, actually, at this point,

we've only had three classic comedies with The

Annie Griffith Show, Bob Newhart, and Dick Van

Dyke now coming in. Kevin, are those shows deserving

of top 50? And two, did we get the order right?

I would say they're all deserving to be in the

top 100. I had Dick Van Dyke at 87 which maybe

isn't quite high enough but I just didn't see

maybe it hold in the same place as like I have

Andy Griffith much higher just because I think

there's more levels to it so I don't know I mean

I think they're all deserving of it when you

get down to Dick Van Dyke versus Newhart I think

that's maybe a Harder one to compare and say

which one should be higher, but I definitely

think Dick Van Dyke deserves to be in the conversation

I could see For me it was kind of borderline

It was in that group that was either just gonna

make the countdown or it was gonna be just left

off and in the end it ended up Making my spot

like I said at 87 so I don't have a problem with

this being on there I'm in any thoughts on Dick

Van Dyke. I like the show. I think that It got

eliminated for me because it was in the same

category as like I dream of genie or be wished

I just found myself liking those shows more so

it kind of Was kind of pushed off the list by

it by those, but I think it's definitely deserving

I'm not really sure what kind of love that it

gets Based on this list quite a bit of love,

so I'm glad to see it on there but I'm not sure

about the ranking really. This is also one of

those ones that I thought after the first episode

when I was highlighting ones that I was pretty

sure that weren't going to make the countdown.

I actually highlighted this one because I figured

just with the more geeky, more modern group and

that type of stuff that I thought Dick Van Dyke

might be one of those classic ones that gets

kind of lost in the shuffle. So I'm kind of glad

that it didn't. Yeah, it's weird like what what

shows are you're seeing like what classic shows

because yeah I love the Dick Van Dyke show to

be honest it was number 24 on my list and You

know it was a show that you know a TV show about

TV writers Which was I think really unique for

the time and the relationship between Dick Van

Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore I think was great for

the time I think the probably the best relationship

and a husband wife do Ricky and Lucy in that

show I put it higher than shows like I dream

of Jeannie or be which because I don't think

it didn't have that gimmick, maybe a strong word,

where it was a show that was just about people,

like normal people. And I don't know. And I'm

just a big fan of Dick Van Dyke. I think he's

just a likable dude who has that showmanship

type of style that we see in a lot of things

from Dick Van Dyke's show to Mary Poppins. I

think it's deserving a top 50. I think so was

Annie Griffith and Bob Newhart. Again, I think

this is coming to one of those things where it's

similar to like when we do an animated list where

if anime makes a list, it means it's really good.

Similar to this, if a classic comedy is making

the list, it probably means it's quite very good.

And again, I think that's the hard thing when

it comes to the stuff like this is that a lot

of times people just haven't seen it or haven't

seen it in a while. But we are 50 shows down

so far. What do you guys think of the list as

we've made our way halfway through? Well, we

definitely put on the accelerator and ran through

a whole bunch of modern comedies today. I think

we saw the majority of those fall here so it's

going to be interesting then because we have

the top 50 and we're not going to have a whole

lot as far as the modern comedies go. I think

we do have quite a few modern dramas and action

films that we're still, or shows that we're going

to see. So it might hold the door open for some

classic shows to be seen in the top 50, maybe

quite a few other ones. I'd be interested to

see if maybe the 80s is just going to be a decade

that's not represented well or if we're going

to see some in this top 50 because outside...

of golden girls in the Cosby show and maybe a

couple that started right at the end of the decade

we really haven't seen much 80s represented in

the countdown at all. So I'd be interested to

see how that plays out or if we're gonna get

some more classic you know 50 60s and 70s dominate

in the top 50 or or how that's gonna how that's

gonna play out. So I mean I think it's interesting

we did we have seen some diversity from 51 to

100. We've also seen quite a bit of modern stuff

and quite a bit of comedies, whether it's modern

or some of the 90s comedies, etc. So I think

we're going to see a lot of different stuff than

what we've already seen. I think we're going

to see different genres and different decades

represented in this top 50, but it's going to

be hard for me to fit 82 shows into 50 slots.

It feels like we're going the opposite direction

32 of my shows have been eliminated for sure

So I'm sure there's gonna be a lot more but I'm

just interested to see what Classic shows are

able to kind of withstand the time and which

one of these modern shows to people elevate over

the ones that we've already seen I mean any thoughts

on the countdown so far? Well, it's hard when

you start getting a bunch of modern stuff because

you haven't had as many years to catch up with

that stuff too. So it's kind of hard to, unless

you're really in the now and watching stuff as

it's airing or a year or two afterwards, it's

kind of tough to keep up with all these shows

if you're not making a concerted effort for it

too. So I do think, we got like 87 comments or

80 plus comments on that first episode. And I

think there's twice as many shows that are gonna...

Be commented on in this episode. So I think we're

gonna break some type of record with the number

of comments we get on this one I think so for

sure because I feel like with this this this

week's episode I don't think there is like I

felt like almost every show we went into there

is gonna be someone that not happy where it's

placed no matter where exactly it listed or something

like that with like arrows and people are gonna

think it's too low too high with Big Bang Theory

same thing and uh Cosby show i think will be

another one for sure i'm really surprised by

a lot of the really really current stuff like

like Mr. Robot Fargo not too surprised with True

Detective but mostly with those shows and not

necessarily that they're on the list but they're

as high as they are on the list just because

i I for me making a list like this like I think

Kevin you mentioned it's it's impossible to truly

rank something that just came out because how

can you compare to something that's a long long

time ago so you know sometimes again i think

that the thing that you're going to see with

this is the number one thing that's going to

affect a show is the ability for people to watch

it and you know to get be exposed to it or you

know which is i think why we're seeing sketch

comedy doing really well why we're seeing you

know a lot of recent comedy doing really well

and i i didn't go through it but i'd be interested

in seeing if shows that were on currently on

streaming services tend to do better because

people can access them so and all Also a lot

of shows that have a lot of strong followings

like Freaks and Geeks and Big Bang Theory I think

tend to... kind of dominates the list as well.

But a lot, I think a lot of surprises so far.

I kind of wish we had a little bit more diversity

when it came to years and we had a little bit

more classic stuff in there, but we'll see what

the rest of this has in store. Yeah, I mean unfortunately,

you know what if we ranked it right we could

have talked about supernatural this week, but

we didn't I know I know again. That's it's weird.

It's it's I feel like you could we could do this

list and you could get Again, it's 29 different

people and you can get a group of 29 different

podcasts and it would be completely different

So it's just the way it works I guess sometimes

but like Kevin mentioned we'd love to hear what

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