DC Animated Original Movies Season One Wrap Up

Beyond good, beyond evil, beyond your wildest

imagination. So, before we get into Tooncast

Beyond episode 35, the season one superheroes

finale, TF2 and Mike here and I'm joined with

Optimus Solo. Hello. The one and only. Yes. The

infamous. The infamous, the one and only. The

person that pisses people off. That's right.

We always respond to feedback. We always have.

We always will. We always will read feedback

on air. I check the iTunes feeds once a week,

maybe, just to check. And I only check certain

ones. I know Beast Unleashed isn't going to get

a lot of reviews. I know a lot of the shows that

are already done aren't going to get a lot of

reviews. But we have a new Tooncast Classic review.

Now let me just state before we rebut this this

review Kevin and I when we first met up online

and we first hung out we spent oh god nights

nights upon nights hours upon hours Coming up

with what tooncast classic would end up being

we spent hours upon hours upon days upon days

So we put a lot of time into it, but this review

says Too Ambitious, a two -star review by G -Rev,

wherever the fuck that is, left on May 9, 2012.

It's always great to hear analysis, trivia, and

personal memories of the cartoons I love. Unfortunately,

many episodes of this podcast are hamstrung by

a lack of focus and preparation. Awkward silence

is abound in the absence of any on -air charisma

often hits the listener in the face. It's clear

that the host hosts lack strong personal relationship

with many of the cartoons, and listening to folks

read Wikipedia page isn't very entertaining.

The series would have been much improved if the

hosts limited it to a series of films for which

they had true passion. We did not cover any cartoons

or shows, or we tried not to, that we didn't

have, one of us didn't have some type of strong

tie to. So we weren't covering shows that we

lacked a strong personal relationship. So if

he got that from something, it was coming from

something else. If he got that impression, it

wasn't a bad impression, but he must've got it

from something else because we basically loved

all the shows we covered. There are some points

though that he brings up that are fine, because

this was early on and we've since adjusted a

lot of this. Obviously, yes, reading Wikipedia

pages isn't very entertaining and. we try to

curtail that as much as possible and avoid that.

That is where we get some of the source information

and some of the stuff just to like jog our memories.

But if you listen to most of our podcasts on

the Geocast Radio Network, these days you don't

hear any reading. So I realize he brings up the

point, but that's probably because he Listened

to more of the earlier episodes and he did not

listen to more of the later episodes, right?

The problem with this review is not that he doesn't

make good points But that he makes points based

on the early episodes Which we were still kind

of ironing things out and I guarantee he didn't

listen to things like the Disney spotlight I

guarantee he didn't listen to you know, some

of those later episodes now as far as being too

ambitious and At times not being prepared enough.

I'll give him that uh for part of it there was

times where we we had chogi on and forced stuff

out um and we might not have been as prepared

as we could have been um I think that's also

something that's been mostly fixed since the

early episodes Where we were really trying to

stay on schedule and trying to make sure we were

doing this this and this But I can see how you

could get that from from part of it It was an

ambitious task and it's ambitious to the point

that we're still doing it and we're still doing

it on Tooncast Beyond And we're trying to cover

just about every cartoon that any of us has ever

liked So I don't have a problem with him claiming

that we were being a little ambitious and that

we lacked a little preparation focus early on.

And that there was a little too much reading

early on. My only problem is somehow he thinks

that we didn't have a strong personal relationship

with the cartoons, which is wrong. And my only

other thing that I'd say against this review,

because overall it's an honest review, but I

seriously doubt he listened to the entire 100

episodes. I think this is based off of the first

maybe 10 to 15 episodes. Right. And the thing

is, I am one of those big thinkers. I will put

a plan in motion that will take five, 10 years.

I will make something that long. I've done it.

I've got scheduled through 2020. I'll be 40 years

old by the time MYR ends. Don't worry, guys.

We will have killed him long before that. Fuck

you. Okay, but here's the problem I have with

this. What does he say? That we lack focus and

have prepared And awkward, okay, awkward silences.

First of all, in those days, as you just said,

we were still learning. We were still getting

the editing down. We don't have, we didn't have

the editing software we do now. Okay. So, you

know, that's, that's like I said, this is, that's

why I think this is based on mostly those first.

Right. Right. Exactly. No. And that's fine. Uh,

as, as far as not being prepared, are you kidding

me? No, there was time. Hold on. Okay. There

are some. but they're also that sum is maybe

10 percent i would say because i watched all

we were on a strict schedule at that point and

there was some cartoons later you know at some

points or another where we just couldn't watch

enough of them beforehand right right um as far

as let's see where does he say uh let's see uh

and the absence of any on the absence of any

on -air charisma often hits the listener in the

face on -air charisma are you essentially saying

that we have no charisma with with the way that

we talk or are you saying that we have no charisma

or you know Connection with each other because

I'm sorry a lot of those episodes Kevin and I

argued with each other about stuff We agreed

on you know, we have chemistry if if Kevin and

I weren't able to get along we wouldn't I don't

think he's talking about the chemistry so much

I think and this is strictly an opinion from

him He just doesn't think that as as voices on

the thing that we're that we have much charisma

That's a fair that's you know he can have that

opinion All the other stuff in his review. We're

talking about more like facts We're talking about

you know whether we were prepared or not whether

we had strong relationships to the cartoon So

we can dispute that if he doesn't think we have

charisma That's his opinion, and he's entitled

to it, but you know apparently a lot of people

disagree with him because we do have 56 Radiance

so far in iTunes, and we're still at a four -star

Review score so some people do like us and do

think we have charisma. He's entitled to that

opinion if he wants it But I do you know this

is a review that's that's that's well thought

out and well written I guess Except for the strong

personal relationship with the cartoons where

he's just off on that But this is a review that

would have been helpful Back when we were recording

the episodes he listened to which I guarantee

were the only first 10 episodes all this stuff

would have been helpful back then. We've learned

all of this on our own or through other people's

reviews and we fixed all that and he should really

listen to the later episodes and then give us

a different review once he's listened to a little

bit more. Yeah, what I find with a lot of our

negative to critical reviews is that people don't

go back. It's people that listen to one episode

and it's probably like episode one. Yeah, really

bad in the first episodes and they write the

review, which I guess is what they, you know,

they can do what they want to do. But for the

people that actually sit and listen to not necessarily

all 100 episodes, but the people that listen

to more of it seem to like it. And we're trying

to fix everything. That's why we like this feedback.

We like hearing stuff like that. I just wish

it was a little more current feedback so we could

make adjustments because the adjustments he's

wanting us to make we've already made. Yes. So

with that out of the way, we're going to get

into the Season 1 finale of Tooncast Beyond.

I'm the network sensor and I object to the previous

scene. It's too scary. Change it now. Hello and

welcome to Tooncast Beyond, Episode 35, Season

1 Superheroes Wrap -Up. I am your host, TFG1Mike,

and as always, Tooncast Beyond is brought to

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.com. This is it for superheroes for now anyway

35 36 episodes in season 1 including that special

duck Dodgers thing that Ben and I and Neil did

I Think this was an amazing Continuation of the

tooncast classic podcast We've got nothing but

huge things planned ahead for tooncast beyond

and here we go with episode thirty five which

you're gonna hear in this is three different

clips uh... one with myself been the host and

tv's mister neil talking about the dc just kind

of wrapping up the dc universe films one with

myself sketch and j t talking about the other

dc stuff in marvel stuff that we did and then

finally were to cover the delorean times that

steve megatron and optimus solo were on And I'll

come back to close the show at the end, so enjoy.

Tooncast Beyond episode 35, season one superheroes

wrap up. We'll be back after this. Get your shiny

bald head out of here, it's hurting my eyes.

That'll be enough of that. We both looked into

the abyss. But when it looked back at us, you

blinked. The bloody universe is at stake. Of

course it's dangerous. Still, more help around

here wouldn't be a bad idea. I'm glad you agree.

I've been thinking about a membership drive.

Alright, so kicking off in the first segment

here on Tooncast Beyond Season 1, wrap up episode

35. I am joined by Ben the host, hello. Hi. And

TV's Mr. Neil. This looks like a job for a stupor

duck. And we are here to talk about the coverage

in season one about the DC universe animated

original movies I'm not sure if my opinion has

changed all that much since since our coverage

of these of the movies that we did cover because

we covered from Doomsday through Justice League

doom From doom to doom. Yeah, well Sort of let's

sing the doom song. No, that's not Yeah, no,

let's not do that. Doom bookends. Oh my god.

So yeah, this is essentially, you know, recapping

and whatever else. I haven't gone back. I think

I have maybe six of these in my iTunes. I think

the only one I've gone back to watch recently

is probably Justice League Doom. I will never

own Superman Doomsday ever again. That movie

is just complete and utter bullshit. Well, if

you ever need a coaster, you know. Yeah, there

are cheaper coasters. It's called Catwoman. Well,

in a slight tangent, I must bring up that crappy

live action Green Lantern movie has been has

a Greenlit sequel, which is funny because that

movie did lose more money than Catwoman. Oh my

god, that's nuts. I wonder how many people Jeff

Johns blanked in the blank with the blank at

Warner Brothers to blankety blank blank that

movie. You know we are an explicit podcast, right

Ben? You can go ahead and say it. Well, I'm laying

it to the listeners' imaginations. Sometimes

censor beeps are more funny. It's too much editing.

And then I still like New Frontier, but it's

something that I can watch every now and then.

It's not something I would actively seek out.

I love the story that it does tell. I love the

Hal Jordan bits in it. But it wasn't something

that, you know, it's not something that I turned

to. Hey, I want to watch a Justice League movie.

Gotham Knight, I will never watch that ever again.

I watched it once. Once was enough. It's too

it's too disjointed. It's too Any thoughts on

these first three been Let's see Gotham night.

I bought it and I regret it Talk about an expensive

coaster. Yeah, and it was really disappointing

because it didn't do it advertised it was it

was false advertisement there should be a BB

there should be a better business bureau Complaint

in somewhere because it does not join the two

movies together. It does not it cannot it it's

You know if the if the glove doesn't fit you

must have quit. Yes, it's just wrong. It's just

totally wrong What about you Neil Gotham Knight

is just pure dog shit, I mean That movie that

or I shouldn't even call it a movie that collection

of shorts that Barely have continuity between

each other. Yeah, it's just oh Yeah, and then

You know, I can't believe I can't believe Conroy

put his name on that Well, he kind of didn't

have a choice. Well, I know it's it's it's casting

and all that stuff, but I just When you interviewed

him what he's have to say about that Haven't

oh So yeah, are you are you sure you don't play

in the women's leagues because that sounds like

you threw a lot of softballs there Oh, no No,

we'll ask him about it because my opinion is

my opinion of Gotham Knight is as I already said

It's too disjointed. It's six different animation

styles That none of the six does his Batman voice

fit as far as the style of Batman. It just doesn't

work for me I know Neil loves the the the pool

in Wonder Woman. Oh, yes the the playful splash

between the Amazon's Well, the whole movie is

solid I mean, yeah if it's told it's based off

of a Gail Simone script For what was originally

gonna be a live -action treatment, but it was

shortened to be in 90 minutes Or a one -hour

special pardon me and you could definitely see

where they've made cuts But at the same time

you can still see the strength in the story and

if they did that if they did this and it poured

their money into this versus the Live -action

show that was quickly jettisoned as quickly as

they made it then they might have had something

Yeah, that's that's true My favorite part of

that movie is just the whole thing with which

she's saying crap or was she saying shit crap

They should have gone with shit that would have

been better with crap. I think because just just

that just that this is that aw crap That was

great. She went from thinking it was disgusting

to embracing it And then there was Green Lantern

first flight with Elliot Stabler as hell Jordan

which told the same story as the as the Van Walder

movie, but did it better? Yeah, it's so much

better Because it was mostly about the space

opera and let's about the soap opera. Yes, exactly

And it didn't have a college kid I Know Ben's

gonna hate on this one just because he doesn't

like it, but I still enjoy watching Superman

Batman public enemies public enemies It was written

by a shit writer and the in Bruce Tim and co

did their best to try to make it make sense But

still there was so much of that of that of that

the low up DNA in there that you can't remove

it. I mean I think it's telling that Jeff Lowe

is now currently in charge of Marvel animation

No wonder ultimate spider -man sucks Well, actually,

yes, I'm I kind I'm kind of sad about that because

the animation designs look gorgeous and meant

for animation for once But then all of a sudden

the writing started and then there was iron spider,

but that's another show The number of times a

Batman should have been dead Like come on I know

I know people love Batman But they were winking

off to them more than the Teen Titans right Teen

Titans writers run quick off to rob it I didn't

think that was possible, you know Like the story

that public enemies told I enjoyed watching the

movie There was only one point in the entire

movie that I just absolutely cringed and had

to look away The kiss yes the kiss of death.

Oh my god One of the reasons why, and again,

Ben is the comic book guy. I don't do any of

the comic stuff, so I don't really know that

much about Jeff Loeb's writing. He also created

the Red Hulk, which is nothing but everyone fails

against the Red Hulk. Yeah, we basically I'll

give you a one minutes in offices of Red Hulk

which was his great character Basically this

Hulk shows up. That's a new Hulk. That's not

Bruce Banner called the Red Hulk and what he

does He beats up everybody. He beats up the Hulk.

He beats up. Dr. Strange. He beats up Thor He

beats up everyone No one can stop the Red Hulk

because the Red Hulk is that awesome and then

it's revealed that the Red Hulk is actually Thunderbolt

Ross. Oh Lord that reminds me of God what was

it Eiling turning into the Shaggy man? No general

Eiling. Yeah, the Shaggy man. He turns into the

Shaggy man Okay They might not have given them

that code name in that JLU episode, but no, but

no in the comics. That's the Shaggy man, okay

The main reason why I really overlook The bad

parts or what people perceive to be the bad parts

and public enemies is because of the voice cast

And I liked it overall Crisis on two earths was

just great. It was fantastic I mean it was none

of the usual voice cast but the cast of the gods

still knocked out of the park. Yeah, I Mean it

didn't have to be the usual voice cast because

this essentially was rewritten from Justice League

worlds collide. Yeah, between Justice League

and Justice League Unlimited, the fight movie,

yes. Right. Dwayne McDuffie rewrote it to be

what it is, you know, and you've got fucking

James Woods' Owl Man. I mean, you can't go wrong

there. But what I love is even though they rewrote

it, you can still see the hints of the DNA of

the original intent. But that doesn't hurt it.

That just makes it more interesting. No, it doesn't.

It just makes a nod for us DCAU fans. It's really

all it does. And then there was the masterpiece

of Under the Red Hood. Yep. Under the Red Hood.

The best Batman story in this universe at this

point not counting the team up not counting the

team up movies in other Red Hood did the unthinkable

it made That shitty Jason Todd comes back to

life in the comic story good. Yeah, bye You know,

it's it don't none of this stupid Superboy Prime

punching the walls of reality shit No, it's it

they have Rachel Gould do it and that just makes

it better. Yeah I love the voice cast in this.

I love how they took Bruce Greenwood from this

and put him as Batman in Young Justice. That

was just amazing. I personally think if Kevin

Conroy ever retires, Bruce Greenwood should be

the only person to ever voice Batman ever again

if Kevin Conroy is not around. Well, lower man,

please listen. Any thoughts on Under the Red

Hood, Neil? Not really. It's been a while since

I've seen it. I'm kind of well Neil Harris is

Nightwing lasers. He's got laser. Oh, yes How

could I forget that that was awesome you he?

He should be in more shit. Yes, I know he's in

more shit, but yeah, so Some of it not just shit,

but actually shit Yes, that happens all actors.

Yes And then up next was the next Superman Batman

movie the Supergirl story in apocalypse um yeah

that that's some bitch had an axe i gotta go

back on my facebook wall of my photos to see

if i still have that photo of her in the in the

outfit oh yeah yeah this this is another instance

of it's based off of a low up story and you have

batman surviving hits he has no rights of surviving

fighting an army of doomsday's an army of doomsday's

batman with an axe yeah and what was he he survived

like a like a thermite grenade by shielding himself

superman or something like that yeah and i'm

like no that doesn't work the only thing i didn't

like about this movie really bills do not work

that way The only thing I didn't like about Apocalypse

really was I think Darkseid was poorly cast.

I love Andre Brower and anything else he does,

but his voice does not lend to the awesomeness

and the epicness that is supposed to be Darkseid,

at least in animation. I mean you go from having

Michael Ironside in the DCAU to Andre Brower

in this and it's just not... it just doesn't

live up to me. and then there was that movie

that you know essentially is ass all -star Superman

superman I think I just don't think you understand

the best man that's okay but you have to remember

when I made that joke it wasn't because I don't

like the movie It was just because of what it's

titled. It's titled ass All -star Superman a

SS I get the joke Mike, but I still think that

you know You know what? I think the best urban

stories are the ones where he doesn't get into

a fistfight Right, which we'll get into later

when we talk about the we'll talk about upcoming

movies But yes, yeah You know the thing about

all -star Superman that really took me out of

it was the casting of James Denton as Superman.

I just can't picture Mike from Desperate Housewives

as the voice of Superman. It just doesn't fit

to me. It just didn't fit. I mean, I guess it

works in the context of this movie with the rest

of the voice cast, but I just... There are just

certain voices for certain characters that I

just don't care for, and his was one super...

Like, you go from Mark Harmon, Leroy Jethro Gibbs

from NCIS, as Superman in Crisis, to James Denton

in this, and I just don't think his voice fit.

I think it does because the intent was to go

with a kinder, gentler, you know, the idea of

Superman as a gentle... Benevolent being versus

a force of nature because you know when you have

all these other movies were about Superman in

a fight scene So so what it was was not only

visually but you know vocally they won Superman

cast as a force of nature and Invoiced by you

know, as we know Gibbs a badass former Marine,

you know that kind of works But but the idea

here is super in all -star Superman You know

as in other great Superman story Superman is

portrayed as this gentle Benevolent being who

wants so desperately to be one of us. It's a

it's a Neil What do you think about about my

take on this? I'm I'm somewhere in the middle.

I like I just like the idea of bringing Superman

down to earth where he's not such a such a God

Jesus type character he's more of a relatable

kind of character because what if superman was

one of us one of us one of us you know gobble

gobble yeah he the the stories that make that

make superman like bigger than life those are

the ones that kind of lose me and i find them

boring if you make him more of a relatable character

and just you know give him give him flaws here

and there but make him a very kind person and

just explore the Clark character, the Clark side

of Superman. Then he becomes very interesting

and that's why I like this. Of course the other

thing that I like was Lois. Yeah, and then one

thing that's really weird to me is is none of

these have dana delaney come back But I follow

dana delaney on twitter and she can't stop about

going on about how much she loves doing Lois

So I don't know why it hasn't happened again

Well, you know again it all goes to casting.

I mean, okay Look at how many movies have we

had so far up to doom? You know And then the

first time and we'll get to this but the first

time new burn comes back is in Superman versus

the elite Which we'll get to that in a few minutes,

but you know, I'm sure at some point she will

come back Because she needs to come back but

But yeah also Superman it if you want to understand

more of the core of what what I think Superman

should be This is a great way to explore it.

There's also many other graphic novels. I would

suggest like Like Superman secret identity available

and trade paperback read by a broad backer, which

is a great trade paperback You should all pick

up but yeah, I think we're digressing a bit emerald

nights next Yes, Emerald Nights. We're walking,

we're walking, we're telling a story. We're walking,

we're walking. Okay, hold on, hold on. Shut up.

This is my show, damn it. This is not a crossover.

This is my show, fucker. The thing about Emerald

Nights is, regardless if Nathan Fillion was reduced

to being a shitty Hal Jordan storyteller, I liked

how each of these stories in this movie led up

to the final moments of the movie, whereas, you

know, this is the one that I compare against

Gotham Knight. Gotham Knight was fully disjointed.

It was an anthology, yeah. Right. This is a movie

that has, I don't know, what is it, five, four,

five stories in it that all tell a whole, you

know, because it's flashbacks. It's, hey, this

has already happened and we're coming up to this.

That's why I like Emerald Knights, because it...

It's not just individual stories. So the best

the best seat by the lantern fire is reserved

for Hal Jordan because he's a storyteller No

Neil I still prefer John Stewart and Kyle Rayner.

I was waiting for Neil to get that reference.

I got it Any thoughts on emerald nights Well,

I remember like Some of the some of the stories

in them in that movie was kind of we're kind

of weird and some were pretty cool The well that

was the best story. Yeah logo was awesome. Yeah

but the rest but the rest are kind of like in

the idea of here's this young girl who's a new

lantern and and how's like hey new kid let's

just walk calmly while we're waiting for the

end of the whole universe and just well we're

walking we're walking you know there's no sense

of urgency there's no sense of oh my goodness

we have to prepare it's like no we're walking

or it's very you know flat well liaro was hot

so oh yeah I mean there is that and she's voiced

by Kelly whoo. So I mean there is that Kelly

who? Bonnie And then we go to Gordon year one,

oh, I'm sorry Batman I thought it was I thought

it was exiled a Gordon story. Yeah, I I Just

I watched this twice and I've only ever seen

it twice once when I initially bought it and

then once to record the episode to to in preparation

recording episode 13 of season one here and uh

i i just didn't i felt more of that they did

nothing with batman in this it was all a commissioner

gordon story Well, that was actually revolutionary

because before then Commissioner Gordon was not

really drawn apart And this really gives the

depth to the post -crisis Commissioner Gordon,

but then again This is all comic back background

that wouldn't interest the average viewer and

this really didn't do anything to the property

itself It was too clean of an adaptation, which

is what I think I said originally. Yeah Yeah,

I mean I like the action. I like the animation.

I thought it was cool But it's it's more of hey

commissioners got a gun and he's gonna go blast

and I mean it had I think I think Batman was

in maybe five scenes the entire movie You know,

yeah, it's And as much as I loved the OC back

in 2003 I'm sorry Ryan Atwood is Batman just

does not work. I'm sorry Ben McKenzie your voice

acting sucked is Batman You might even be worse

than the Baldwin Well, at least you didn't say

he was worse than the West And then of course

we come to the masterpiece which is Justice League

doom doom I can watch this over and over which

is which is a really good adaptation of a Tower

of Babel where it's the adaptation where they

don't do a scene -for -scene translation they

take a premise and then Expand upon it and do

something different. Yes I absolutely love this

This movie was just absolutely great to me. I

Had you had to get a cyborg that was actually

cool. Yes. Yes I think, by far, this is my favorite

out of them all. It was a cyborg with no shrimp

because there was no booyah base. Oh, god. Oh,

god. Oh, boy. And it wasn't anime style, because

there are a couple of cyborg scenes in Teen Titans

where his eyes bug out and it's that super cartoony

anime pop out and it's like, oh... God, stop

it. So what was the whole thing about confusing

the viewers and the reason why they removed the

chance of having Robin or Batgirl or any of those

characters in Justice League Unlimited, but all

the same time Teen Titans is running, but now

they're doing, now they have Young Justice running

and they're doing the Teen Titans anime shorts

now. What was that bullshit again? I just wanna

bring that up. I don't think that we are currently

under a bad embargo, are we? We're not, but I

just love the fact that they did that bad embargo

for superficial, stupid reasons to just tie Bruce

Tim's hands. And now that Bruce Tim is not involved

much anymore, and it's all Greg Weissman, they're

like, oh, you can have Young Justice and have

the exact same characters show up in this Teen

Titans short, but they're different characters

now. No, that won't confuse kids, but 10 years

ago, that would confuse a kid. I think that,

and later on in this episode of 2CastBeyond,

myself and Sketch and JT will be talking about

Young Justice a little bit more, but I guess

we can bring it up here as well. I think with

the DC Nation, as it's called, with Green Lantern

animated series and Young Justice, those shorts

are... Are those shits, those shorts? Yes, those

shorts are... are mainly for like I don't see

like Young Justice because I've watched pretty

much I saw like the first eight episodes of the

first season and then I caught up and I saw the

rest of season one going into what's currently

airing now in Justice League and Justice League

just Young Justice invasion in this whole storyline

and I love what they're doing with Young Justice

I think it's a great way to tell a story And

the thing with the DC shorts is that they're

paying homage to what with the Teen Titans specifically

is that they're essentially paying homage to

that craptastic cartoon. Yeah, they're making

Fezworks very happy. Yeah, I think I'm gonna

have Neil make up a... AC MY version for an ad

in this episode anyway going back to doom Shut

up Neil Going back to doom doom just it was so

awesome because it The only the only messed up.

I think doom took was they used Tim Daly I I

have I love Tim Daly as Superman I honestly do

but as I said in the episode and I'll say it

again here They marketed this as a Justice League,

Justice League Unlimited cast revival. I'm sorry,

Tim Daly had left at that point. He had other

things he was doing and he couldn't be in Justice

League and Justice League Unlimited and they

brought George Newburn in. And I think that,

you know, Tim Daly did a wonderful job as Superman

in Doom. It was great. But if you're going to

market something as a Justice League cast reunion,

get... The actual guy that played Superman in

Justice League. That's really my only gripe about

this movie. The story is great, the animation

is great. I absolutely love it all around. Now

we have the upcoming projects. I know Ben is

not a fan of the first one we'll be talking about,

but Superman vs. the Elite. A dumb story that

has an equally dumb name. I knew that this movie

was coming out, but I know nothing of this backstory,

and I'm interested to watch the film to learn

about what this is. Let me tell you. Okay, go

ahead. Okay, Joe Kelly is the writer of the original

comic, What's So Funny About Truth Dresses the

American Way, and Joe Kelly is a very... What's

the opposite of subtle, Neil? Blunt. He's a very

blunt writer. Yes around this time in the other

comics DC had an imprint called Wildstorm and

in Wildstorm there was a comic called the Authority

right the Authority was about that was about

a team of superheroes that are changing the world

in a very liberal activist way with by threatening

governments and stuff. They're led by a British

person named Jenny Sparks who wears a Union Jack

t -shirt and is a chain smoker. Basically, the

authority is this team of ultra elitist assholes

that fuck up shit. And and Joe Joe Kelly's like

well, I'm gonna do a story where Superman fights

the authority, but I'm not gonna call it the

authority I'm gonna call it the elite and so

he changed Jenny Jenny sparks into into the Into

Manchester black who's also changed smoking breath,

but it's now a guy so you take out the hotness

factor and it's gone now and Little story of

Superman versus leader. What's so funny about

truth justice in the American way is basically

Joe Kelly saying well Superman's the best you

don't need those guys and I sort of share that

sentiment but the way that Joe Kelly expressed

the Sentiment was wrong because the whole plot

of this story is the elite keep on pushing Superman

and say you look you have to kill you have to

kill and then at the end of the story Superman

In what appears to be a battle appears to brutally

horribly horribly, you know terrifyingly kill

each member of the leaf But then it turns out

no, he didn't he just used the super speed to

make it look like he did And he and that's the

moral of the story Superman Superman because

he could kill you but he doesn't That's what

Superman's about. Yes This does This will reunite

several Superman voice actors. It will reunite...

No Dana Delaney. No, no, no, but... Hold on,

hold on. It'll reunite George Newburn and David

Kaufman, because David Kaufman was Jimmy Olsen

both in Justice League and Superman the Animated

Series. It introduces Polly Piret from NCIS.

as Lois, I'm interested because I know how her

character of Abby Shuto on NCIS is. I'm interested

to hear how her voice lends itself to Lois. So

I'm interested about that. And then... You're

just picturing Lois covered in tats, aren't you?

I was trying not to, but gee, thanks Ben. You

always put weird visuals in people's heads. You're

welcome. But like I said, like I said, it's...

I just have a fundamental issue with the source

material itself, and it doesn't get the message

of Superman. If I know anything, they're probably

going to do a closer adaptation of that than

they did with Doom, because people falsely laud

this as the greatest Superman story ever, and

it really isn't. Neil, what were your thoughts

on this, on the moral of the story? Just I just

rewind the podcast when I said that the best

Superman stories are when you bring them down

to earth and make them like a Really human character

Yeah, this this movie just kind of I mean I'm

cautiously optimistic, you know It's Joe Kelly,

I mean the only good thing Joe Kelly was he he

made He fixed Deadpool after he was created by...

created by... what's his name? Like a little

created Deadpool and then Kelly wrote him as

a joke character and that's what worked. That's

the only good thing that Joe Kelly did. uh...

next up on april fourteenth twenty eleven it

was revealed that a two -part animated adaptation

of frank miller's the dark knight returns was

in the works several previous batman veterans

will be involved so the way i'm sure they're

going to have everyone is a prostitute okay i've

never read frank's dark knight returns so it

was a prostitute okay well that's I'm interested

to see how this plays out because They say it's

going to be a two -parter So even though they're

not directly connected Superman Batman public

enemies and apocalypse. That's a two -parter.

I mean that's apocalypse was essentially a sequel

film Different art style, but I'm I'm interested

to see how this this Pans out with with that

movie one thing I'm curious of seeing is there

will actually keep in one scene That is the funniest

scene in it is basically Frank Miller did this

scene, but who here who here knows what the McLaughlin

group is? No clue Neil Okay, Frank Miller did

this scene where the heated the McLaughlin group

but the question is is an ultra conservative

and in green arrows there as the as the rabid

liberal and they're doing a McLaughlin group

a public television thing And it was hilarious

that's funny And then I believe I watched this

on the Nerdist channel. Kevin Conroy appeared

on Comic Book Club. On April 25, 2012, DCAU Batman

voice actor Kevin Conroy let it slip that he

had just recorded his lines for the animated

movie version of DC Universe changing Flashpoint.

So, apparently after Dark Knight returns, they're

doing Flashpoint. I hate Flashpoint. Okay, well,

we don't even know anything about What they're

gonna do for either one of these as far as dark

knight returns or flashpoint I again, I'm cautiously

optimistic So And then I guess we should talk

about these shorts You know kind of go over those

again Spectre for me was kind of meh Jonah hex

was pretty damn good I liked the green arrow

short. I thought that was interesting. I it's

good I'm kind of reversed. I think the Jonah

hex one in Jonah heck Superman Shazam and Catwoman

are the best ones Yeah, specter is an okay one,

but I wouldn't watch it again No, but it's an

okay one, but but the green arrow didn't interest

me, but I thought it was kind of cool Super Shazam

is pretty much an excuse to have a fight between

three superpowered beings animated really well,

but it's a damn good excuse to do it. Yeah And

Catwoman was just amazing. It just was I love

how it was written by Paul Dini, by the way Well,

of course, I would never have guessed with the

lesbian subtext. Yeah, Paul Dini would never

do that. Oh Boy and I guess we should rise to

them throw in a female magician in there somewhere

Which is really funny because the one episode

of Jim that Paul Dini wrote had a female magician

I am not surprised. I'm not surprised at all

I just wanted to go over quickly since we did

our our spotlight some of the some of the profits

because Since then the profits have obviously

increased all -star Superman is sitting at at

four million Green Lantern Emerald Nights is

sitting at two million and change Batman year

one is sitting at two million and change and

Justice League Doom is sitting at three million

and change so Still sadly the one that has the

most overall gross is It doesn't mean just in

money it overall gross Right. Yes. Yes. Yes.

I see that you did there but Yeah, the one that

has grossed the overall amount of money is, Hi,

I'm Superman. I have a giant dent in my face.

And I puke blood. Yes, yes, and I puke blood

and shoot heat vision into my forehead to destroy

bombs and whatever else. So yeah. And I wear

black and have a mullet and a gun. In total.

Yeah, he was ready for the next Expendables movie.

That's what I want to see Sylvester Stallone

is the voice of Superman If only we can have

John Claude Van Damme John Claude John Claude

Van Damme as Lex Luthor Oh god, that would be

hilarious. That would be so satirical. In total,

all of the movies, including the DC Showcase

shorts collection, they've grossed $79 million

in change. And the total units sold have been

$191 ,000 since 2007. So that's not bad. uh...

it's pretty good i mean that that they're still

continuing to make these movies as we just talked

about the upcoming projects uh... and i like

the fact that you know bruce tim is kinda what

lending himself back to his his own style even

though it's easy i don't think uh... in g l t

s uh... but i'll i'll i don't mind that he's

solely in You know, he's solely working on this

movie universe. I like that. I've said it before

in this podcast, and I've said it before in other

podcasts. DC Animation, whether it's the DCAU,

whether it's other non -Tim -verse stuff, consistently

does, well, for the most part, well in their

animation projects versus Marvel, which doesn't.

It's just one shame that other than Bruce Tim,

Warner Brothers is really good at chasing away

talent. I mean, they had Brad Bird. They don't

have Brad Bird. They had Joss Whedon. They don't

have Joss Whedon. What are they thinking? So,

Neil, any final thoughts on the spotlight or

the coverage that we've given it between Tooncast

Beyond Season 1 and the Animation Aficionados

stuff? not really just that uh... in the future

i'd like to see more wonder woman well she is

in young justice and she is voiced by maggie

q so well you don't like that no i'm gonna say

i was saying i should go check that out yes you

should okay so now that i've distracted neil

to the point where he's probably not going to

be around anymore uh... ben any final thoughts

on the uh... on the coverage that we've given

these So so far pretty good coverage. Well, most

of these are good I'm dreading them adapting

more shit stories because I have a feeling that

the more shit stories they adapt the more they

have to keep in what keep in the lines so to

speak of what that shit story is right and that

just scares me because Because like I said the

the elite story was shit and I'm just I'm just

praying that they don't do the next arc of Superman

Batman because that one was super shit Because

you know talking about revenge fantasy. I mean

super members delete. That's a revenge fantasy,

but not like this What is next in in the Superman

Batman storyline, do you know about do you know

who the Ultimates are? I've heard of the name

ultimate Avengers Okay, and basically in Marvel

around that time they have the ultimate version

of the Avengers and they in the comics they were

just called the ultimates and that And that you

know, just like Joe Kelly Jeff Jones was like,

well not Jeff Lowe a pardon me I confuse the

Jeff's all the time because they're both shit.

Anyways, Jeff Lowe was like, well, I don't like

this at all. So I'm gonna write this Story where

Superman and Batman beat up the beat up the Ultimates,

but we're not gonna call them the Ultimates They're

gonna have the exact same powers and similar

costumes, but they're gonna be just different

enough where we won't get sued So so basically

Superman Batman tearing up a version of the Avengers

the ultimate Avengers just just to show oh these

guys are better okay you know I don't know I

like I said I'm I'm cautiously optimistic and

I you know I base everything off my trailer everything

off trailers that I see initially you know I've

watched all of the DC films at this point with

the animation stuff regardless whether I wanted

to or not and you know, to burst Ben's bubble

here a little bit. Just because you think it's

a story of shit doesn't mean it doesn't mean

something to someone else that maybe might not

think it's shit. It's a ban with an axe against

an army of doomsdays. Hey, that's kind of cool,

especially if he didn't have any powers. But

I know he still had his powers. So we're going

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up next here in Tooncast Beyond's Season of Superheroes

wrap -up show, we're going to talk about the

other DC cartoons and Marvel cartoons in those

two universes. And with me is Sketch1984, hello.

Hey. And that crazy Canucks Coke Smoker, JT from

Saskatoon. That's Coke Drinker, Mr. Blanchard.

No, it's Smoker. Don't lie. You don't smoke coke,

Mike. There's that American education system

for you. You just snip it. That's right. You

just snort it. And usually off the breast of

a hooker. Oh, boy. See, this is why Canada is

so weird. Canada. We are gonna talk about some

Marvel cartoons some DC cartoons essentially

episodes 1 15 16 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 31 33

34 And 30 and 32 as well 32. Oh god. I hope to

god. I can forget the Avengers Earth's wimpiest

heroes worst theme song ever No best theme song

ever My well not you are as old you lose the

one worst the this might show David I ain't overruling

nothing worse the theme song ever there Lincoln

by the way by the way x -men Evolution totally

the better x -men series. No not at all Okay

comparing it to Wolf reading the x -men fuck

no, it's not no comparing it to x -men 92. No,

it's not I'm staying out of that one. Yeah. You

chicken. I do not feel educated enough upon to

rank that show. But I have a feeling it's not

as good as people say it is. All right. So let's

get your... Because you guys didn't really have

a chance to weigh in on this, but Sketch, what

are your thoughts on the Superhero Squad show?

I enjoy a superhero cartoon that doesn't take

itself too seriously. I know it's not technically

superheroes, but one of my favorite cartoons

ever is the 80s Ninja Turtles and I feel that's

a nice throwback to that kind of entertainment.

It doesn't take itself too seriously, sometimes

breaks the fourth wall, likes to poke fun at

various things. I enjoy the superhero squad show.

It's fun. It's essentially satire. I mean, it's

Marvel Universe in satire. And I don't say that

as a bad thing. I think that's great that they

can, you know, sit there and essentially it is

a cartoon for kids, but there are plenty of adult

-themed references there and jokes. I mean, the

whole... In the second episode, Captain America's

like, well, Hulk? That's the phone. You have

to answer it. If it's President Roosevelt, tell

him I'm out somewhere. You know, it's like no

kid is going to get that. I mean, you know, no

kid's going to get the Roosevelt reference. But

still, I mean, it's still a great overall fun

cartoon. What about you, JT? What are your thoughts

on Superhero Squad Show? I love the show. I mean,

it was pretty smartly written. I mean, it was

totally made for kids. But there was a lot there

visually. for older Marvel fans to pick up on

right like even in the theme song like They have

the scene in the theme song where the Hulk grabs

a Fractal and then later on in the theme song

just before the end he shows up and he's morse

into you know, like a Hulk Modoc or he's in like

a zoot suit or eat Morse back Yeah, yeah, and

every episode title card was basically based

off a classic Marvel Comics Comic book cover.

So there was tons there for older audiences by

me overall There was a lot of subtle humor that

you know, the kids will laugh at that You know,

it's very like I said very smartly written because

there's a lot there for adults, too and then

you just got you know stuff like Hercules the

legendary journeys running face -first into a

TV screen Which it was one of my all -time favorite

episodes of that series Yeah, I have not seen

all of season two of that yet. I'm still waiting

to be able to get that on iTunes I know it I

know season two of superhero squad show is an

iTunes. I just only have season one right now

Yeah, I think by far That's my favorite version

of Thor is in superhero squad show. His hammer

time. Although this one episode I think it was

the one where I think it was Oh My Captain. I'm

not sure where Wolverine's just he's trying to

like work out or work on his bike and Thor's

over there pressing weights. He's like three

scullery maids. No, it's good and I think the

best Thor flashback was in the Hey, it was either

in the the one where miss Marvel Becomes enamored

with Modok who was probably my single favorite

character in the show was Modok It was or the

Thor one where Valkyrie showed up where you go

back in the day And it's like suburban California

Asgard where Thor and the Warriors 3 are garage

banned. And he's been working so hard. Oh god.

That reminds me of all those horrible, horrible

free credit report dot com commercials. Garage

banned. But no, overall, I love the fact that

freaking Spongebob Squarepants is Iron Man. And

Modok. And Modok, yeah, no, I knew that. I think

one of my second favorite characters, did you

do Dr. Doom as well? Oh, boy, you would have

to ask me that. I'll have to look it up. Do you

remember who voiced Doom in Superhero Squad Show?

Yes, Charlie Adler. Okay, there you go. That

didn't quite work on paper for me, but the execution

was... it's like you hear his name and then you

think wait why is eric raymond having superpowers

a lot of people might not get the eric raymond

reference personally i thought he sounded like

cow Dr. Doom a lot of the the villains were yeah,

but is dr. Doom modock an abomination who are

always there. I love those guys I loved how they

made Captain America like permanently almost

permanently stuck in the 1940s And probably my

all -time favorite like stuff as far as stunt

casting goes for voices I loved Mark Hamill as

Dr. Doom, because I love it when Mark Hamill

does like a German accent. It's delicious. You

mean Red Skull? That's what I meant. Sorry. Why

would you be voicing Dr. Doom? So I hate come

on mark Hamill's dr. Doom that alone is awesome.

But yeah as the red skull I love that hole He's

found in a frozen wiener schnitzel freezer Sorry

the thing about cap in this in this series, you

know, we said Where was it? I don't remember.

I think it was in Avengers We said this sketch

where Cap really hasn't had his own cartoon series

and really honestly there are only so many Red

skull Hydra Plots you could do with Cap in his

own cartoon series, but with him in this it Solely

puts him into that soul that that's it it it

Over exemplifies how much of a super soldier

and how loyal he is to America And it's not and

I don't say that as a bad thing I just I think

it's funny because you don't see that you don't

see that this you don't see the superhero squad

show portrayal of cap Anywhere else. I mean you

don't really I mean you see it here and there

but I mean because of the satire in this series

It was completely over. Very flanderized his

character. Yeah, exactly. And I don't think that's

a bad thing because it's funny as hell when he's

like, come on, soldier, hup, hup, hup, hup, hup.

I just absolutely love that. That's just so awesome.

I just want to just get a picture of that cap

just with a hup, hup, hup, hup, hup. But honestly,

my all. I love the fact that Spike from Buffy

James Marsters was Mr. Fantastic. I love. I was

like, did they ever do a new FF cartoon? They

need to get him back to do that. But my all -time

favorite voice in the show was Sulu himself,

George Takei as the Devourer of Worlds Galactus.

Ooh, can we get one of those little cream -filled

planets? and and and and and and and and and

and and and and get the entire second season

and and and watch it all the way through cuz

i i i said i have to love the first season first

the season was just comedy gold i think my favorite

running joke throughout the the first season

uh... polk hope for it will be you come with

me don't call me will be yeah or uh... Or every

time he gets crunch, and I love the fact that

it's Steve Bloom who also did Wolverine and the

X -Men. He's like, add an Antium Skeleton every

time something crushed him. And it's so, you

know, Sketch can talk about this because we did

the Wolverine and the X -Men episode, which we'll

talk about here in a bit, but it was so different.

Like, Steve Bloom knew, hey, this is, you know,

Wolverine and the X -Men, that was serious. This

is comedy. and he put a spin on his Wolverine

voice and changed it up a bit, and I absolutely

love that. It was just, oh god, that guy is so

freaking amazing. Yeah. Any other thoughts on

Superhero Squad? I think I've pretty much said

everything. Aside from that, I think it's criminal

that they never had Spider -Man on for an episode.

I know, man, but that was like a rights issue

thing because Sony had the... And also, as far

as I'm aware, the first animated debut of Spider

-Ham. Yeah, they did they did have that but I

believe Spider -man showed up in the video games

and he was voiced by Josh Keaton Yeah, I just

put in the show which bummed me out Maybe I just

couldn't put Spidey in the show But he he actually

does cuz I was wondering about them like wait

so because I was waiting like the first season

I was waiting. Okay, when okay, we got war machine.

We got this we got that cuz I would back when

I was collecting toys, I would go to the toy

stores and I would see all these superhero squad

toys and I would see all these two packs with

Spider -Man and somebody, I'm like, wait a second,

Spider -Man hasn't even been on a fucking show

yet, why is he getting a toy? Is he Spider -Man?

No, I know that, but what I'm saying is like

they have those, you guys remember those G .I.

Joe or Galactic Heroes or Infinite Heroes, those

little mini things, the - The combat heroes or

something? Yeah, yeah, they're essentially, they're

essentially like mini statues, like Transformers

had robot heroes, and they're just little mini

figures of characters, like I have Ravage and

I have Optimus Prime here on my desk. And that's

essentially what Superhero Squad Show did for

a bit in the toys, they would have something

like that, and there would be like three or four

Spider -Man versions, and it's like, when's he

gonna show up in the show, dammit. So the next

one JT was on with me so we'll probably go to

sketch first cuz sketch didn't get to give his

thoughts on this but episode 15 the Batman not

Not what other people choose to call it not what

they refer to as its proper name because we JT

and I know a couple of, or at least one, one

of the two team members of the Animation Aficionados

podcast constantly calls the Batman the crap

man. That's not the name of the show. That's

not the given name of the show. And while there

were things wrong with the show, it is in no

way filled with excrement. Exactly. Yeah, they

couldn't get away with that on Saturday morning.

I don't know, they got away with a lot of stuff

in this show, but Sketch, why don't you give

your thoughts on the Batman? Thought the first

couple of seasons were kind of weak but starting

in season three they really grew the beard as

they say I Thought it was an interesting choice

to bring in Batgirl before Robin, but that was

because of Another show which Mike doesn't like

talking about I still say that was the greatest

sin of the Batman was They basically like hey,

here's a sidekick, but it's not Robin Yeah, just

wait till the first sidekicks katana info where

the Batman will see what fanboys do with that

I'm gonna watch the first couple episodes, but

I don't have any high hopes for that show just

cuz it's anime Hey, no, it's CGI Okay, but and

the Batman yeah, and the Batman's basically the

design is pretty much the same as the Proto Batman

suit that shows up in brave and the bold a couple

of times With the big antenna ears and all that.

Yeah, that does look like him. So what did you

think of Batman's sketch? I think it had some

very good moments. I particularly liked the final

season when they had the Justice League. That

was cool to have Barry Gordon. Technically he

was probably the Flash in the Superman animated

series, but it's been a while since we've seen

Barry Gordon. You mean Barry Allen? Yeah, Barry

Allen. Barry Gordon was not a Telo in Turtles.

Get your mind off the friggin' Turtles, dude!

Can't. Always Turtles. All the time. Yeah, Barry

Allen. Turtles, Turtles. Not a Cowaboo guy. Give

me a break. Yeah, so it was cool to have him

and Hal Jordan as Green Lantern. That was good.

Chris Hart with his Green Arrow. Rockman showed

up in that. Yeah. Love that was correct. It was

a t -1000 as Hawkman Good stuff, that's that's

the first thing. Hey, it's the Terminator. It

wasn't Robert Patrick Yeah, the thing that always

Just bothered me about the Batman at least initially

is I was so used to hearing Brido Romano as spider

-man the the It was it was a pretty fun show

and over time we started doing some pretty great

action sequences and one of the episodes that

really stood out to me was the The one where

they homage the Dark Knight returns Right. Yeah.

Oh the the future one Uh -huh. That was an interesting

episode Yeah, no, I like that one so that show

actually because I was I didn't really watch

it on KidsWV. I was kind of waiting for Cartoon

Network to get around to playing it. But it only

played the first two seasons. Never really cut

around to the third or third event. Cartoon Network,

they played the first season into the ground.

Yeah. And that annoyed me. But there was at least

like two good episodes in the first season. The

face ones. Yeah. Yeah. my main gripes with the

batman is that the clay face thing was just too

weird like coming from and i'm not even comparing

the two series but coming from the story that

was in btas with with matt hagen you know being

an actor versus what they did in the batman with

ethan the cop because and the whole joker angle

that just kind of i don't i didn't like that

that version of clay face That is like that version

of the Joker. It was okay. You mean the white

delbino monkey with kung fu powers? I mean, he

was delightfully insane, but... Yes. And I love

Kevin Michael Richards' Joker, like his take

on the Joker I loved, but I really didn't dig

that Joker until he got out of the tie -dyed

straight -jacketed into the classic orange and

purple. Yeah. Yeah. And the one thing that I

have to say, and again this is the second for

me personally, this is what I consider to be

the second biggest sin of the show, was the Batmobile.

I love the 89 style Batmobile that they had in

like TAS, but that second version looked like

it would steer like a brick. You mean in the

Batman like where they got where he got the stretch

version I oh, yeah, yeah heard the Hot Wheels

Batmobile that he had the first couple of seasons

because that actually was kind of badass Right.

Yeah. Yeah, and it made sense because they have

all these secret bolt holes all over the city,

you know It looked like you know It's a younger

hipper Batman with a lot more tech gear that

looked like the type of it It's like it's like

he went home and he borrowed his dad's car when

that second version came out. Right, yeah. So

that's me. I don't think anyone else really had

a complaint about it, so. Yeah. People give this

show a really hard time, and I don't think that's

really fair. I'm going to have to like, initially,

the only reason why I really even, I mean, I

knew of the show back when it was airing. The

only time I really was paying attention was after

it hit Cartoon Network And it was running new

episodes or it might have still been on kids

WB. I don't even remember it was Okay, all as

I know is one week. They're like hey Here's season

five. Here's the Batman Superman story Here's

Tim Daly is Superman and Clancy Brown is Lex

Luthor and Dana Delaney is Lois Lane or what?

I I think Dana Delaney came back to do Lois.

I forget but I know I know Clancy and And Tim

Daly came back I saw the first episode on TV.

I saw the part one on TV Went to watch the next

week. It never fucking aired It the second part

never aired I waited for level parts and a half

and it never I never saw it so when I finally

found out that the season 5 DVD was coming out

the only reason why I Bought the season 5 DVD

was to see that episode now people are be like

TFG of Mike what the hell? Let me let me just

bring it back here I did buy it specifically

to be able to see the second part of the Batman

Superman story, but I also, you know, once I

bought it and I saw the extras that were on it

and I saw all the other team ups in season 5,

I'm like, oh, okay, cool. I want to watch this.

And I watched the fifth season by far is my favorite.

I've seen bits and pieces of the third and fourth

season. I've seen the first two seasons endlessly

when Cartoon Network and Boomerang was playing

them. I do want to go back eventually and watch

the entire series. uh... you know if netflix

ever gets rights or permission to show it on

stream i mean none it pisses me off this is just

a general note here about about dc and and marvel

to a certain while more marvel's got most of

stuff on there but dc hardly has any of its animation

on netflix for streaming whatsoever i don't know

why they can't reach an agreement with netflix

that makes no sense to me whatsoever Alright,

so next up we had episode 16 Batman the brave

and the bold so Yeah sketch was on this one so

JT give your thoughts about brave and the bold

Okay, I'm I'm gonna try and be as polite and

diplomatic as possible right about what everything

you said about the show is your own opinion it

is has been reasoned out to a point I will not

disagree on anything because again it is your

opinion I just don't understand okay you didn't

like Oswald and Drew Carey why do you have the

show like that. Like, you didn't like D. Drake,

but just say, I don't like his voice. No, no,

no, no, no. I liked the, I love watching Drew

Carey. I loved the character, first of all, to

Drew Carey. So you don't like D. Drake Bader's

voice. Just say, I say you don't like his voice.

I don't think it's a Batman voice. Fine, fine.

That's my opinion. I think people miss that because,

just let me finish, because you keep that, that,

that, that. What I don't get is why you have

to be so, okay, just say you don't like his voice.

You're so freaking like, he must die. Like that's

what it comes across when you talk about Diedrich

Bader as Batman. Like, I don't get it. It's fucking

Oswald. Give me a break. It's not fucking Oswald.

Like yeah, you don't like the, you're not a big

comic guy. You don't, you know, you didn't like

the big goofy stories. But he like sketch said

he had the best take on Batman for that Batman

just as Kevin Conroy Who is the overall far and

away the best voice actor for Batman, right?

You know, it's just but anyway I say I disagree

with your hatred of Dietrich Bader. The other

thing that I disagreed about in that episode

Well, the shows are somewhat comparable in terms

of for kids and for adults Superhero Squad is

not the better show. It is a very good show,

and it deserves to be counted amongst comic book

or cartoon shows like this. But it is so not

that much better than... It isn't a great show,

but it is not better than Brave and the Bold.

Sketch, remember in Earth's Wimpiest Heroes,

we were talking about how I liked the... the

the team up of Justice League versus the Marvel

team up of Avengers where in cartoons I liked

seeing the Marvel heroes on their own versus

a team up. This is the exact same opposite thing

with Superhero Squad show and Brave and the Bold

where I liked the fact that Superhero Squad did

the team up and Brave and the Bold. Yeah, sure,

it's for kids, it's also for Silver Age comic

fans. You gotta remember also, I don't read a

lot of comics, let alone anything from the Silver

Age, so coming in cold to this series, regardless

of my thoughts on the fact that Dietrich Bader

is voicing Batman, I like the guy overall. You

like super friends, right? Eh. kind i like it

as a kid i don't know if i can watch through

it now that that well guess no bread the balls

like it new version of super friends basically

yeah but super friends was a product of the times

though brave in the bowl is trying to harken

back to those times that isn't that is a good

point you know it is not at all a product of

the times uh... you know When you consider the

two pre -existing Batman shows, doing another

serious Batman as they're attempting to do with

Beware the Batman is a questionable venture at

best. And Batman hasn't always been this grim

character. There was plenty of times when Batman

was more fun. He was still very serious. deadly

serious but he could still have fun and i think

raven the bold does a good job of contemporizing

that concept it does it does but i think where

okay all three of us are children of the eighties

for the most part um in the eighties we had when

he had the split personalities because it was

like the ninja turtles uh... and then you have

the group all okay a slacker that that does not

be dot shows we're all children of the eighties

here in the eighties you would have the cartoon

intro theme song what you don't take transformers

judge or whatever there's the intro and there

is the rest of the episode in the nineties with

television tv shows and cartoons as well they're

started to become a change nine you know nineties

and and early two thousands that the the change

happened where you would have a like a a preview

scene the intro whatever that intro would be

in the rest of the show my problem with brave

in the bold outside of the fact that it's fucking

oswald uh... is that those I was so confused,

because like I said, I had never really read

any Silver Age comics, and I had only known the

previous cartoon series, and obviously the 66

live -action show and Super Friends and all that.

So when Diedrich Batman is on another world,

or in another time zone, or in the future, or

something, and then it goes to... the intro and

then it goes to whatever the rest is it it's

almost like a two -part story in each episode

that intro is like totally separate from what

happens in the rest of the episode after uh...

the title cards uh... and that's really what

confused the hell out of me because i'm like

this is not batman batman does not go through

time and span is not fucking doctor who even

though he was totally doctor who yes i know but

as i say that's where i kind of get confused

and i just kind of lost interest in the series

now there are certain episodes that i've seen

that i absolutely love uh... specifically super

batman a plot uh... planet x uh... at the series

finale with peter herman is that might that's

awesome any that might have said it's just amazing

yes that's true now that's uh... I guess that's

a fair thing to not really like the concept of

Batman being basically an intergalactic time

traveling hero. It just didn't fit with what

I knew of what Batman is. Now I can be open minded

to a new concept for the most part, unless you're

a shitty cartoon called Voltron Force, but it's

one of those things where it just... It just

made me like, okay, I guess this isn't for me.

I guess this just isn't for me. This isn't the

Batman that I know. It's kind of like, get your

Star Wars out of my Batman. You're talking about

the lightsaber, aren't you? Yes, exactly. You

know, I'm sure at some point my jadedness over

the fact that Dietrich Bader voiced Batman will

subside, and at some point I will go back and

really give the series a try, but as of right

now, it's... BTAS is by far the best. No one

can argue that. BTAS is by far the best. BTAS

is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the best. BTAS is by far the best.

BTAS is by far the So the next one that we had

in the Marvel DC we're actually gonna stick with

DC for a bit the next one we had was episode

19 where sketch and I talked about the classic

40s Fleischer Superman shorts Let JT go first

on this one, since he wasn't on that episode.

What are your opinions or your memories of watching

these on TV? Because I remember watching them

on TV, obviously. None of us were born in the

40s to see them in theaters. But what are your

thoughts on Fleischer's Superman? I loved these

cartoons growing up. I think just two videotapes

would have been a total of 16. There might have

covered the entire thing of this series But this

is like the first Superman cartoon I ever saw

like before super friends before the like 87

animated series I loved it like I loved the art

style how you know the whole rotoscoping thing

making it seem like a film Any had goofy stuff

like the one with the dinosaur that thaws out

in like five seconds ala Megatron from the Transformers

movie. And just the goofy Looney Tunes -esque

that episode. It was just epic and awesome. And

I loved how almost every episode of the Flasher

cartoon ended with the wink and a nod from Clark

Kent to the audience. Thanks to Superman. And

he's just like, you know it. You know and just

and I love the fact that like every episode he's

good you get the As he's in the phone booth,

which is such one of my all -time favorite like

facets of Superman lore was the phone booth thing

Which they don't do really that much anymore

and they haven't really done it all in the new

52 But the less I speak of that the less chance

there is I start cursing out loud Because Dan

Taddeo is a fucking idiot Dan DeDildo, yeah,

he is a fucking idiot. But yeah, Flesh or Superman,

this is... I would recommend this to anybody

who likes cartoons in general. Not only superhero

cartoons, people who are Superman fans. Everyone

should watch this. You know, I said in the actual

episode, everyone should at least watch these

shorts once. For me personally, I watched through

all 17 of them. actually I watched through 14

of 17 and I just couldn't like after short number

eight when when Fleischer stopped and Famous

took over in short nine it was like oh god really

this is what they're doing and I just couldn't

get into it but I always will have that nostalgia

of that very first episode Superman aka the mad

scientist with the mad scientist in the large

large honking bird and everything else i always

have that nostalgia factor of of uh... watching

that as a kid and they are they are very good

i you know as i said the episode i say the first

eight shorts which is what flasher actually did

the rest of them is what's uh... flasher became

famous studios and they're they're not as good

uh... sketch any other thoughts yeah i think

anybody who Likes cartoons should check out these

they're pretty easy to find So they're all on

Netflix. Yeah, they're all on Netflix. I think

they're all on Hulu They're they're everywhere

basically because I I believe they're public

domain now Yeah, actually there's a website I

think it's either called the Internet Archive

or the Internet library where you can go and

download them for free Nice Yeah, so people should

definitely give them a look. They decrease in

quality, as famous takes us for. And they get

quite a bit racist, actually. You know what?

And I'm not going to lie, that is one of my favorite

episodes, just for how over -the -top bad it

is. And how over -the -top racist I mean, you

know, it was but you know, it was the 30s the

40s everyone hated Asians. So Wow, but yeah,

no, I love that one and that the first time I

ever saw that was actually that was one of the

last ones they ever saw cuz I didn't have them

all in those two videotapes so I saw that in

high school and then a buddy of mine dropped

the science on me about the Bugs Bunny Japanese

cartoon. This is like the Japater Superman sent

me on the hunt for that one. Oh Boy, I do not

want to see that I Just are you sure you're not

morbidly curious? No, not at all. No, I know

I say Warner Brothers Bugs Bunny cartoons. Thank

you Alright, so in the 20th episode of the podcast

in season 1 Sketch and I talked about the amazing

the awesome puts Teen Titans to shame Young Justice

and holy shit Young Justice Invasion. Oh my god

now this episode won't air for a couple of weeks,

but have you guys seen this week's episode? Not

yet Cover your ears JT. Oh here. I'll just I'll

plug my ears and type Yeah, holy shit We find

out what happens to Wally and Artemis. They finally

showed up. Yeah, people were theorizing that

they'd probably be... That was freaking awesome.

I just absolutely love this show, but since JT

wasn't on the episode, what are your thoughts

on Young Justice, sir? JT! You might need to

message him. Yeah, no, I heard you yell there.

I love this series. This, like Brave and the

Bold, is a love letter to DC Comics. It's a better

love letter than Brave and the Bold, but yes.

It's a love letter, not necessarily better, and

we're gonna end that subject here, Mike. Give

me your thoughts on Young Justice. I love this

series. Probably the breakout voice in this for

me is Nolan North, as I love the fact that he

plays Superman and Superboy. Right. You know,

uh... Really? I didn't know that. Oh, cool. No,

uh, I love the thing, the only really negative

thing that I can say about this, uh, I did not,

I do not like Jeff Bennett's Joker. Uh, it's

too much - That's not Jeff Bennett. Wasn't that

Jeff Bennett? No, that was Brave and the Bold.

No, this, uh, this one is... He was Data on Star

Trek. Brent Spiner. Oh, Brent Spiner. Yeah, like

I love Brent Spiner and everything. But no, I

did not like this Joker. It was too Heath Ledger.

And it was like, there's no whimsy. I'm not saying

the Joker has to be like Brave and the Bold Joker,

but it doesn't have to be like all Mark Hamill.

But there was just, there was no element of theatricality

with him. He just looked like a crazy loon with

face paint. But no, I love this series. Like

I said, I love Nolan North just because, you

know, it gets the whole angry thing I love how

they gradually build the backstory of the light

and you know you you know they're building towards

apocalypse and dark side and the new gods because

my favorite episode was the what's the name of

the one where the where the young are the forever

people show up like the I can't remember the

name of the episode where sphere turns into the

super cycle for the first time and They go off

and you get the idea that you know dark side

or everything is in the background That was probably

my favorite at one of my favorite episodes of

the first season I'll and I love the fact that

they brought Bruce Greenwood over From under

the Red Hood to do Batman. I love I love his

Batman like he Kevin Conroy ever retires loses

his voice Bruce King Bruce Greenwood gets the

call. Oh, yes. I totally agree with that. He

is by far The best one outside of Conroy, yeah

No, I mean this series over like I said, it's

a love letter because you know You get all these

little nods and everything and the one thing

just as a comic book fan the two things I know

is right from the first episode one is the Justice

cave you know, Mount Justice. That was the first

original headquarters of the Justice League in

the comic books. Like, they would, when they

go for a meeting, they truck all the way out

to Rhode Island, to this rinky -dink town, Happy

Harbor. You know, Wonder Woman would crack open

that big -ass leather -bound book and start taking

dictation because she was the secretary in the

comic books. And then this one, they made it

badass. It's like Mount Justice is like, ooh,

I like it. You know, I just hope that whenever

Darkseid does show up that his plots aren't constantly,

ooh, how could I get in Wonder Woman's panties

this week? No, I'm pretty sure they're going

to take a cue from Justice League and not Super

Friends. He's like, I am notely and no one will

love my cracked -ass face. What were you going

to say, Sketch? I don't think I was going to

say. Oh, I thought you were going to say something.

Yeah, Young Justice. It's still going on. It's

still amazing. I was kind of confused this week,

but... I still loved it. I loved seeing what

we saw this week, so we'll have to continue to

watch for that one. In episode 21, Sketch and

I tackled Spider -Man, the new animated series,

or MTV's Spider -Man. Sketch, any thoughts on

MTV's Spider -Man? It's okay. Oh, wait, you are

on the... I mean, JT, damn it. Shit. No, I saw

a few episodes when this was on YTV here in Canada

back in the day, and I really did dig the series.

You know, the character designs were a little

meh, but, you know, at CGI, you're kind of limited

with form and function and all that. But I like

the fact that... It's firmly entrenched in the

Marvel. What was the Marvel uni movie universe

at the time, right? Yeah, no, I mean they even

got Michael Clarke Duncan to come in and as Kingpin

in the one episode He had Rob Zombie as dr. Curtis

Connors which totally see that's where the show

took that sharp left turn from the movies cuz

Yeah, you know it wasn't the Dr. Connors from

the movies. It wasn't Dylan Baker. It needed

to be. It needed to be Dylan Baker, I think.

No, and I love those at least a little as Mary

Jane Watson, Ian Ziering, who from 90210 and

the good Godzilla cartoon as Harry Osborn. Is

there such a thing as a good Godzilla cartoon?

Yeah. You played Matthew Butterwick's character,

didn't you? Yeah, that series made the 98 Godzilla

movies somewhat bearable. I haven't seen that

movie in so long. Sexual. Where's the fun in

that? But the piece de resistance from the series

was Spider -Man himself, NPH. Yes, Neil Patrick

Harris. My only real gripe with this series was

actually two gripes. I'm not sure if Netflix

is airing his - They are. Okay, did you look

into that since we did the episode? Because every

episode, we'll say next time on Spider -Man,

a couple of times it'd be like the previous episodes

or the - Are the next time ons messed up? What's

the deal with that? It's not that the next time

ons are messed up. It's that they loaded them

in the wrong order. Oh, okay. Yeah, that was

one of my grapes. The other grape I had was...

where does spidey put his clothes cuz you know

he'll he'll jump off a building as peter parker

and come up as spider it's like you know what

does he do put him inside a little web and stick

it to the side of a building someone would see

that i mean that i mean i know that's a little

that's a nitpicky gripe but i mean it's a it's

a i think it's a legitimate great because in

every other spidey cartoon you would, you know,

he would either change at his house or on the

roof of his apartment building or something,

and you would see where he would put his other

clothes, but in this one, nope, just jump off

a roof, come back up as Spider -Man, and you're

good to go. Alright, so next up we had Sketch

and I tackled the unspectacular Spider -Man,

so JT, what are your thoughts on speck -spectacular?

UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR?

UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR?

UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR?

UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR?

UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR?

UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR?

UNSPECTACULAR? UNSPECTACULAR? Well, actually

I think the MTV series did yeah that too but

I mean that was kind of obscured by the CGI the

shiny if you were But no this one he moved, you

know, it was animated and it was it was a cartoon

It was what a cartoon should be Spider -man should

be ping -ponging all over the place snapping

off quips and web shots in the same seconds Like

are you high? I would hope to attach to spider

-man 94 and I love I love spider -man 94 but

once again the glasses of nostalgia obscuring

your vision Mike not really I and move like a

spider he was absolutely hilarious like this

there's like a video that IGN made that's just

quips from the first season it's like five minutes

long of the just quips and they're all awesome

yeah and honestly my favorite animated version

of venom to date like the just the lead -in like

the the build -up to venom right the development

of the symbiote you know a lot of nods to there

are a few classic nods to like the whole uh to

the whole spiderman history like in the second

season where Spider -Man's trapped underneath

this piece of machinery in the master planner

slash Dr Octavius's lab directly echoes one of

the most classic issues of Spider -Man where

he's got to get this radioactive isotope medicine

to Aunt May or she's going to die for the 15th

time. You see him fight and struggle and lift

this piece of machinery that he has no reason

to lift this thing. Right, you know it is one

of my single favorite moments in spider -man

animation history was that and The other my other

favorite thing about this the the introduction

of the villains and the fact you know There it's

all basically, you know, Norman Osborn once superhuman

mercenaries. So you see the origins Done -in

-one for Sandman for Rhino for dr. Octopus, which

I kind of like the lead -up to the lead -in to

dr. Octopus the episode because here Peter McNichol

is fucking awesome as Doc Ock You know, this

is Yanos from Ghostbusters 2 we're talking. I

know I Mean, I love pretty much all the redesigns

the only thing I I just didn't dig was making

Gwen the nerd Like because in the comic books

like I grew up reading the comic books and you

know I got into reading the back issues It's

not that she was not smart in the comics. It's

just she was never you know Frumpy, you know,

she didn't have glasses. She wasn't right pining

for Peter Parker from afar She was a hip happening

girl not unlike Mary Jane Watson Although I love

how how they did just like in the comic books,

they had, you know, the lead is like, yeah, Miss

Watson's gonna send her niece over for a blind

date. And Peter's like, oh God, you know, and

then he opens the door and it's like face it

type, you hit the jackpot. And he's like, yes,

there it is. You know, so there was so many good

things in this series, man. It's awesome. I just

don't know what else I could say about that I

haven't already. Well, let's let's move on because

until until the series gets added back to Netflix

the only thing I can say is I saw the first episode

and The animation style it is just incredible

I tell you it is probably going to be the best

spider -man cartoon that will ever be made And

that is it is so sad that it didn't get a third

season Because it's so good, but you know I guess

I'm okay with the trade -off for Young Justice.

Even so, I love Spider -Man and they did Spider

-Man so well and they connected things really

well. Greg Wiseman is really great at doing these

stories where everything matters, where you can't

leave an episode out because you're gonna miss

something. Aw man, so good. they had some kind

of quirky ideas here and there obviously they

did a lot of rewriting of character origins and

stuff but all in all it's it's a love letter

to the Steve Ditko and Stan Lee original comics

and no other cartoon is quite as Spider -Man

to me it is it is by far the best In episode

23 sketch and I tackled the yet unfinished season

1 of Green Lantern the animated series So JT

give us your thoughts on on gltis. Have you had

a chance to catch this at all? I'm up to about

the fourth episode right now really you're so

far behind well, yeah, but I Do what did it start

airing in Canada man? It airs pretty much concurrently

with the u .s.. It's just I haven't gotten around

to it. I dig the animation style. I like the

fact that it's, you know, Bruce Timm art with

a CGI paint job. It's, I think the thing that

just, it looks, to me, it just bothers me a little

bit because it seems so soft, you know, just

with the CGI of it. But other than that, I love

Josh Keaton as Hell Jordan, you know, Kevin Michael

Richardson as Killawog. and I dig how they're

basically taking I wouldn't necessarily say horrifying

but the idea like is in the comic books the red

lanterns basically vomit napalm blood a lot and

in this one they're just they're fueled by hate

and rage and they've got a ring so I'm surprised

they managed to make that palatable to you know

modern audiences but other than that I I love

the show and I just haven't seen enough of it

yet to really have a full opinion. Although I

love how they hijacked the Interceptor in that

first episode. It was very much a little bit

Hal 2001 mixed with war games with would you

like to play a game? Oh, what's the word I'm

looking for? He basically bamboozles an advanced

alien AI into taking a joyride. He sweet -talks

the ship. Oh, yeah. No, yeah. He sweet -talks

the ship. I mean... Well, if the ship was voiced

by Gray DeLisle, you'd sweet -talk her too. Well,

you know, he's right there sketch. No, it's true.

It's just... I love the fact that... it's not

even a flesh and blood female and he's got her

wrapped around his little finger. I think this

is the only time in the past ten years or so

that I've actually liked a Hal Jordan incarnation.

Um I mean Justice League you really can't count

because He was only in once in future thing part

two for like five seconds of a time shift I mean

it was it was cool. It was nice to see him. It

was a it was a cool homage, but I Mean even in

super friends I I've I had never really cared

that much for hell when I started caring about

Green Lanterns It was Kyle Rayner and STAS and

John Stewart in Justice League, and then there

was that craptacular Van Wilder Lantern movie

So, you know, there's that but no GLTIS is just

amazing JT you're gonna absolutely love I I don't

know what the episode number is offhand, but

it happened a couple weeks ago So it's probably

like episode 8 or episode 9 they do a star sapphire

story And the latest episode that we've seen

to the point of this recording, they're introducing

more lanterns. So that's very, very awesome.

I can't wait to see where that goes. Sketch any

other thoughts since we recorded the episode?

Yeah, it's been a really solid season. Yeah.

Even though it doesn't do a whole lot of continuity,

it does bring back characters that we saw earlier

in the season already. It has its continuity,

but it's not like taking a piece of the X -Men

and making a four or five part... multi -part

episode. I mean, the series does have its own

continuity, but at least it's not something like,

oh god, what can I compare it to today? Sketch

is gonna hate me for this, and there really is

no continuity in this comparison, but it's not

like something like a regular show where there's

no continuity whatsoever. Actually, there is

a bit of continuity in that show. Anyway, it's

very loose. So Green Lantern TAS, absolutely

amazing. Everyone should check it out. One thing

we're not mentioning here in the superhero season

is Thundercats. But essentially, Thundercats,

Young Justice, and GL have brought back Saturday

morning cartoons. So I thought that was kind

of cool as well. at least for an hour and a half.

The next episode, JT and I tackled the Un -Incredible

Hulk from 1996. I'm sorry, you're wrong about

that, Mike. So clever. Un -spectacular. Un -incredible.

That's right. Hey, it's a nice way to insult

the series. Can you call it Iron Man the Unarmored

Adventures? I loved our I loved our you were

on that episode I love no no wait no I was not

an episode but anyway we'll get to that in a

minute uh JT not JT uh Sketch give your thoughts

on Incredible Hulk from 96 uh 90s Incredible

Hulk I thought the first season was pretty good

and the second season it sucked it was just silly

I guess that's okay But when you have a pretty

serious first season and then you switch over

to because there was a lot of Network tomfoolery

in that case and it's all UPN's fault Shouldn't

have put it on UPN in the first place should

have been on Fox Yeah, cuz if it was on Fox the

second season wouldn't have been as Craptacually

girl -friendly as it was Hey, we can make it

better Let's make the Hulk girl -friendly What?

No, it was it wasn't all girl -friendly. They

brought his cousin on full -time Yeah Yeah, and

I appreciate that they brought in she Hulk that

was cool in the first season and then that uh

Yeah, they didn't do so good in the second season.

Yeah, but they did cram a pretty good story into

the first season. So I think it's one of the

better 90s Marvel cartoons. My favorite would

be Spider -Man and maybe the first, not first,

second season of Iron Man. And I'm not sure about

X -Men yet because I need to watch that again.

Hulk is probably like fourth. at least the first

season. Right. Because multiple shows had the

most serious track record on quality season versus

crappy season. Well, that's what I was saying

to JT in the Hulk episode was it surprised me

that, you know, Hulk season one was good, season

two was bad, Iron Man season one was shitty as

hell, and season two was good, you know. Yeah,

but I think I have a reason for that. It's because

of when it came out. because the second seasons

of Iron Man and Fantastic Four from the 90s came

out slightly before that Hulk season. It's kind

of a good thing going for a while and it fell

off a cliff and that's how we got that early

2000s Avengers cartoon. We don't talk about that

here. You don't talk about united they stand

because united they fall I'm sorry Mike there

there was no such early 2000s at Avengers cartoon.

You really got to stop lying about that stuff.

I He was the one that brought it up. I just said

it was no it doesn't exist Mike There was never

an at Avengers cartoon before the current one.

I don't know what you guys are talking about

So episode 25 was X -Men Emo. The best X -Men

cartoon. No, not at all. Totally was. Best. So

JT did give his thoughts in a voicemail during

the episode, but do you want to expound on those

thoughts, I guess? Oh, an ex -pun. Yeah, I mean,

yeah, I like like I told I've told Mike this

several times off air You know not even about

cartoon the X -Men cartoons like I like the 90s

series. It's just It was basically retreading

comic books that I had read read like a couple

of years before so I really Didn't need it that

much right and I like I said the art style just

kind of bothered me what I loved about the x

-men thing is like they it was like they weren't

retreading x -men history they were making something

new and very worthy of the legacy I mean sure

they changed stuff like Wolverine knew Professor

X before becoming an x -men and you know they

I loved what they did with Magneto like they

made Magneto much more of a sympathetic villain

right in this series than any other form And

I just like the gradual introduction of like

really all the other X -Men like if you have

this original class and Then you bring in you

know like the new mutants and Some X for like

would would technically be X -Force members in

the later seasons I think my favorite episode

out of the whole series or one of them anyhow

not absolute favorite was the One I think was

the first mesmer episode like leading up to Apocalypse

where it was the original X -Men, Cyclops, Marvel

Girl, Beast, Iceman, and Angel. Right. You know,

I loved all that stuff. Like, I think this is

the better series. Now, Mike has a lot of love

for X -Men 92 and that's great. I will respectfully

disagree. I will agree to the point that... The

later seasons of Evolution are good. Past season

three is good. The first two seasons are just

X -Men versus Brotherhood, emo is all hell. I

hated what they did with Blob in this series,

that was just dumb. They essentially made him

a stalker of Jean Grey, that was just stupid.

That was creepy, but it's better than... At least

the fact that he was huge like that, he wasn't

so grotesquely obese like the comics. You know

he actually looked like he was yeah, you know

Yeah, he was just some overweight Rick You know

kind of like how they made him in the Wolverine

movie that no one really likes to talk about

even though it exists. Oh You mean origins? Yeah,

yeah So there is that yeah, so next up Yeah,

it was sketch and I tackled Comparing these two

I like this better than evolution Wolverine in

the X -Men this was friggin amazing. I love this

show JT. Do you have any thoughts on Wolverine

in the X -Men? I think as much as I love X -Men

evolution. This is my favorite X -Men series

You know kind of somewhat contradictory. I mean,

I love them both so much but I think this is

the superior product overall because this is

like the This is the young justice of Marvel

animation. Yeah. Because there is so many references

to classic X -Men lore and events. I mean, the

whole idea that basically throughout the season,

Professor X is alive in the Days of Future Past

storyline where the Sentinels have taken over.

Right. He's got to rally the... Rally the mutants

and everything. I love the fact that, and this

is just nitpicky awesome for me, is the... I

was... I've been reading the uncanny X -Force

comics for the last couple years and the character

design of the Vanisher who's the teleporting

mutant in the future story storyline is that's

the character design from the comic books which

I thought was an awesome nod. I love the fact

that they took the whole discrimination to a

different place with this series. Oh yeah. The

fact that they didn't shy away from that was

awesome. And the fact that they are also, I guess,

cognizant would be the word, enough of the whole

idea that, well, as evil as some humans are,

you still have to show that we're not all bad,

specifically in that first episode where Wolverine

goes to bail about, and of all things, a mixed

race couple. Not that they intended to do that

as any sort of political stand just the idea

that they had that I thought was pretty mature

and forward -thinking So I mean that first episode

was awesome, and I love the constant the gradual

revelation of everything throughout the series

You know the building of the threat I love the

brotherhood in this series because it made More

sense like Magneto has accomplished. You know

he's got Chinosha. He's got the mutant paradise

whatever you want to call it and the brotherhood

comes off as like these very fanatical you know

mutants good humans bad rah rah sis boom bah

like they just drank the kool -aid yeah you know

aside from quicksilver and i love toad in this

series toad this is probably my favorite version

of toad like as much as i love to let toad toad

tolansky in evolution I just love the one reason,

like, the backseat of the car and he's like,

you don't know who's coming to get me, Popos!

And he's just talking all this incredible smack

and he has nothing to back it up with. Yeah,

this is probably the only, in animation, this

is probably the only version of Toad I can actually

stand and like. Only because his scenes are always

very brief. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. The best toads

are the ones that use their tongues and get electrified.

Oh wait, that was the movies. But no, Wolverine

and the X -Men, I wish, just like Sketch wishes

Specsbitey got another season. I wish they both

got more episodes. What? Why didn't these shows

get 52 episodes each? I know. I wish Wolverine

and the X -Men got more episodes because I got

another season because it was just getting good.

Yeah. I ended on such a cliffhanger and it's

like, oh god damn it, we're never gonna get this

again, son of a bitch. Well yeah, and that was

the great, that's like, oh god, you suck, Marvel.

But see, when it comes to comic books, I'm a

sucker for alternate versions. of these characters

that I've been reading for years, like one of

my all -time favorite Marvel comics is What If,

you know, what if Spider -Man kept his extra

arms, what if the Punisher was Venom, you know,

stuff like that. And it's technically in continuity

was The Age of Apocalypse, which was this, in

the comic books, it was an alternate reality

story where in the normal 616 Marvel universe,

Professor X's schizophrenic mutant son, Yeah,

he actually has a kid Travels back in time. He's

gonna kill magnetic Just before or just around

the time that him and professor X break up and

go their separate ways And he he accidentally

kills his dad and without professor X there to

like rally the mutants and everything Apocalypse

rises the power takes over the world and you

know, you see you see that at the end of You

know, the finale. And I'm just like, oh, yes.

Because I remember seeing that episode. And I

was like, when's the next season going to start?

This is going to be awesome. And like three months

later, he finally, yeah, it's canceled. I was

like, a few, Marvel. A few. Oh, god. When you

said Professor X, yes, he did have a kid. The

only thing I flashed, too, was Moira McTaggart

mounting Lieutenant Dan. No. Yeah. Alright, so...

Oh, God. Oh, that bone is going to give me...

Really, really good show. Yes, yes. Yes, it was.

And what I liked about Wolverine and the X -Men

was that it blended a lot of Marvel stuff. Like,

you had the emo -ness of Rogue at times about

her not wanting Logan to leave, which is part

of the movie -verse. You had the whole thing

of him already knowing Hulk from Hulk Versus.

because he already had that. So they tied a lot

of things together, but it still stood on its

own as its own story, and I absolutely love that.

So on episode 31, JT and I tackled a teenage

Iron Man and Iron Man armored Avengers. I was

skeptical about this show going in, but I freaking

love it. I can't wait till the second season

hits Netflix. Sketch? Thoughts? I really have

no comment on this one, because I haven't really

watched more than a few scenes so far. You need

to go back and watch it. At least give it the

first four episodes, and if you don't like it

past then, that's fine. But it's actually pretty

good. Sketch and I had talked, I think we talked

about this off -air, it might be in the Avengers

episode, I'm not sure. teenage iron man no drinking

no that can't be right but no it actually does

do a lot of of good things with with the iron

man uh... mythology and it was a nice different

twist uh... so it's very very awesome the alternate

interpretations well it's like i said the episode

i mean the major The two major beats of Iron

Man's origin is there. There's an explosion and

Tony's heart is injured. Now in this one, instead

of ending up in some, you know, militia camp

and being forced to make the armor, it referenced,

like I said, the episode references the ultimate

Iron or the ultimate Avengers or the invincible

Iron Man directed DVD movie where he has created

the armor beforehand. And Dr. Jensen is simply

the heart surgeon who say he has like this implant

that, you know, it's basically a high tech electronic

pacemaker. Right. And yeah, I think the only

negative thing I said in the show, like I love

the show overall, I love the theme song, you

know, the only negative thing I came away with

this was I didn't like the slightness of the

character decides like everyone looks like they're

an emaciated supermodel. Yeah, I think we compared

this when when we did the comparison time stuff

in the episode we compared this most to MTV spider

-man as far as the style and design of it a little

bit because it has that slanted slighted angles

and It's not I don't think it is seat. I don't

know if it is CGI or not It's a mix of CGI and

kind of 2d cell shaded animation Right, yeah.

MTV's Spider -Man was cel -shaded, too. Yeah.

Yeah, because I like the animation in this series

more than the Green Lantern series, because like

I said, the Green Lantern series, it has this

very soft, very Willy Wonka -esque kind of feel.

Yeah. It looks like action figures. Well, yeah.

It looks like they're made out of soft candy,

really. But candy, hell, Jordan. I wish you hadn't

said candy starfire because the only thing I

can think of is now is that stupid tentacle porn

video of starfire That's what I meant that's

what I meant, but no I love the design I love

the animation style in this because it has more

see that's the thing with the green lantern It

doesn't really seem like it has that much of

a texture Whereas this series does like you just

look at like Iron Man's armor you can see the

plates and yeah You can see like the subtle curves

and everything You look at the Hawkeye when he

shows up in a couple episodes in the second season

when you get to that mic it looks super Realistic,

you know stuff like that. I saw a war machine.

I was like fuck. Yes Amazing it's like Iron Man

really Like bitch, please That's a pimp set of

armor right there. Yes, exactly. All right, so

moving on to episode 32 Where sketch and I talked

about Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes. I still

have yet to get past episode 9 So I'm still not

out of the shorts out of the confusion. I don't

know if I will go back and continue the series.

I'm still... I can explain that very easily,

Mike, if you would like. Well, I mean, Sketch

kind of explained it in the episode where it

was a series of mini -sodes or shorts that they

lumped together. Yeah. It's basically the first

ten... Sorry, I'm looking at the... Yeah, it's

the first ten episodes. First... first five First

if you take like the collapsed versions of the

mini so it's right and So Captain America, so

I think it boils down to I Was it five episodes

of the cartoon so technically would go five episodes

and then break out right, right, yeah, you know

you go like that and Actually, episode 10 has

the debut of one of my favorite Marvel villains

in the series, M .O .D .O .K. And what can I

say, I love the design of M .O .D .O .K. I mean,

it's like big gigantic head, little bitty arms

and legs. It's... Oh, Mega Six LR reference!

Exactly. Oh, if only he was voiced by... Oh,

that would have been... Who's Campbell? That

would be incredible. Groovy. But no, I mean,

I love that episode for Modoc alone. Also, the

look on Thor's face when he first sees Modoc,

it's like a Frost Giants baby's head. Like he's

just stunned. No, I mean, this series, again,

this is... It's not the love letter that Wolverine

and the X -Men is, but they do reference... other

elements of Marvel history. I mean, voice acting

alone is probably my favorite thing about this

series. Yeah, the art style is very much a timid

tater, which doesn't bother me that much. I love

the fact that, you know, when they introduced

Nick Fury, it is the classic 60s Nick Fury, but

he's black and he's the son of, you know, was

it Jake Fury, which is Nick Fury's brother in

the comics. right you know and then when he comes

back in the second season this isn't a spoiler

because it's been in all the articles he comes

back as the Sam Jackson Nick Fury from the Ultimate

Universe and then and there I loved I think one

of my favorite episodes of the first season was

the Sentry 459 which was the introduction of

Captain Marvel in the Kree right and just It

was just one of my favorite because it references

like one of the my all -time favorite cosmic

Marvel heroes, you know Captain Marvel He introduced

Carol Danvers who becomes Miss Marvel because

I love the ending guys. Why is the ceiling so

low? When she's like, yeah You know, I'd have

to say out of my two favorite characters Part

of the Avengers would have to be Hawkeye and

Hulk. Now Hawkeye, like I was a huge Robin Hood

fan as a kid. Right. I love anybody that, you

know, fights, you know, mutants and monsters

with just a bow and arrow because what else are

you going to do? But I love the way they set

up Hawkeye is like he's part of this elite shield

agent corps, you know, with the Black Widow and

then Mockingbird shows up. He's just like Hawkeye

in the comics. He's an art. He's the sarcastic

archer who's always taking shots whether or not

he has a bow in his hand. right I love the fact

that they got how they set up Hulk in that you

know the split personality thing which wasn't

introduced in the comics until like the late

80s you know it's like look here's the deal I

stay out full -time and I won't shit up and yeah

yeah but you can be a hero it's like cool but

the bet my favorite Hulk moment was in the second

part of gamma world the 13th episode and when

it I would If you skip a couple episodes, I wouldn't

really recommend it for that, because that's

the great thing about this series is they cross

back and forth to earlier episodes. There is

this interconnectivity in amongst all the stories.

I mean, I bear no ill will towards the series.

I don't hate the series, but it's just like I

was saying in the sketch in the episode, it was

just like, for me, I prefer seeing the Marvel

characters on their own. I just do. I mean, eventually,

I will go back to Earth's Mightiest Heroes and

catch up, but it's just not in the cards right

now. So the last two episodes, we're going to

kind of combine the discussion about them, since

they are the same franchise. And I will try and

restrain they are all right you'll restrain your

johnny stormy yes of thirty three uh... j t and

i talked about fantastic four worlds dumbest

heroes and it was a thirty four women back in

time for the final glory and time of the service

season in fantastic four ninety four uh... sketch

thoughts on world's dumbest heroes uh... fantastic

four world's greatest heroes I tried to get into

this show when it aired on Cartoon Network, but

I don't know, it was just kind of bland to me.

I didn't hate the character designs, but they

were kind of hard to get over. There's some episodes

that are really entertaining, like I like the

episode when Mr. Impossible shows up. That was

really great. Yeah, The Impossible Man. And there

were some pretty good team -up episodes that

I appreciated they had. And they were such a

tease where they obviously had Peter Parker as

a photographer, but Spider -Man never showed

up in that show. Makes me sad. Makes me sad.

Yeah, the show had its moments from what I'd

seen. I can't really judge it fairly because...

Like Iron Man, I didn't see very much of it.

I saw more of that than Iron Man, though. You

need to go back and watch Iron Man. Apparently

so. This show... It was okay. Yeah. What about

94 Sketch? What did you think of the 94 Fantastic

Four show? You know, I didn't mind the first

season so much of that. Here we go. instrumental,

the second season, the really cool rock song.

Yeah. I liked the episodes when they team up

with Daredevil. Yeah. Those kinds. It was a pretty

okay show. I'm not sure if I like it more than

the 90s Hulk. I probably do overall. I would

say I do, simply because in the 94 series and

as I said in the episode with JT, this is what

introduced me to the Fantastic Four. And I think

this is the - I suppose that's probably true

of me too. Well, this is the main reason why

I like the 90s Marvel cartoons because they got

me to - read comics the the x -men store i wanted

to go out and read dark phoenix and phoenix and

dark phoenix saga after i saw those episodes

spider -man i wanted to go out and read all those

spider -man cartoon or spider -man comics from

watching those cartoon episodes same thing here

with fantastic four uh... what i loved about

the series was i'd love the camaraderie and the

play back and forth with ben and johnny and and

that was my main fantastic for knowledge until

the films came out and the films they couldn't

have cast those first two films better with with

Michael Jake lists and and Chris Evans playing

Johnny Storm and Ben Grimes respectively it was

like the cartoon came to live action for me and

I just absolutely loved it well yeah I mean that

like I said in the DeLorean episode you know

that was the great thing like one of my all -time

favorite you know rivalries duos and comics was

you know the thing in the human torch as opposed

to the thing in the human douche and world's

greatest heroes yes because that Johnny Storm

was a douche then he elevated douche to an art

form yeah he was pretty amazingly obnoxious Like

I'm all bad at being a hero so bad Like this

dude couldn't have been more of a walking dick

if his head actually looked like a penis Is what

I'm trying to say. I mean It was kind of just

cold Well, it was cool, but I still liked you

know that one. I mean this mr. Fantastic actually

made her be kind of cool Oh, I liked Herbie in

that cartoon, though. I did like her. It's like,

oh, hello, Dr. Richards. Oh, oh. It's like, he

made Herbie into C -3PO and then made him, like,

the entire, you know, Baxter building, which

I liked. And like I said in the episode, my all

-time favorite episode from that series was,

you know, Doomsday Plus One, where Dr. Doom does

the classic trope of blasting the Baxter building

into outer space. I love it. Because... especially

that episode because they from that one scene

like I said in the episode they get everybody

else in the Baxter building into Reed's lab and

they're like is this it he's like well due to

the constant superhero attacks and you know they

got like the crazy old lady with her hair in

the curlers she's like I could see my house from

here and I was like uh you're technically in

your oh I love this lady you know that was what

was great about this like this was fun like it

was a great fantastic four cartoon and Like I

prefer you know aside from the douche I The douche

well the human douche, you know I Like this one

a flaming human douche now just the human douche.

I mean there's the human torch and You know anyway,

I'm trying to I'm really trying to get away from

the Johnny Storm age right now I I do somewhat

prefer this series over 94 If only in terms of

like the character design I think it's superior

because I mean the first season of the 94 which

was the kind of the comedy season Right, you

know and I looked it up that was Stan Lee's wife

that voiced their landlady in that first season

Where she won I own this building and she just

starts purse beating the thing and the things

just like backing off You know, but no, like

in terms of art design, I love, I prefer World's

Greatest Heroes over FF94, but FF94 is ultimately

my favorite series because there was a lot more

heart and there was more of a - There's a lot

more family in them. Yeah, you don't get that

too much in this one. You get that Reed, like

Sue, and Sue's in love with Reed, and Ben is

Reed's best friend. Ben's Reed in the 90s one,

aren't they? Yeah. They're actually married.

I love the fact Ben was probably in World's Great

Heroes was my favorite thing out of everything

in that series because you know what they really

got into the whole I'm a monster blah blah you

know everything like that the classic thing tropes

you know right yeah and then there's the douche

I'm sorry I just I keep coming back to it A fiery

douche. Wow, that sounds unpleasant. Full kind

of douche. He's very unpleasant, yes. So that's

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Alright, so, this is the DeLorean Time segment.

This includes, I think, all of the...is it all?

No? It includes most of the DeLorean Times. It

includes the ones that these guys were actually

hosting on with me. uh... steve hosted mega man

a reboot and freakazoid kevin hosted wacky races

dastardly and mutley and laugh olympics kevin

did you ever have you ever seen the met the ninety

four mega man cartoon i've never seen any of

those cartoons uh... the first three okay alrighty

then i stopped watching cartoons in like eighty

nine ninety for a while Mega Man is just so so

awesome It essentially for me brought the video

games to life is Is essentially what that cartoon

did Captain and didn't do that for you No, no

that Mega Man was horrible. He was mega horrible

I'm killing him And then Steve and Tara were

on the the reboot episode which launched rebooting

mainframe soon as a full -fledged podcast Yes,

that's right. Um Reboot it gets better It's season

one starts out as a hit -by -hit kind of throw

away, you know, nothing really connects all that

much and Season two it starts to grab you more

and then obviously it digs into the net and everything

else So it gets a lot more integrated in a lot

more story driven instead of singular one shots

as the series goes Yeah, yeah And then freakazoid

is just a bunch of freaky fun It's it's it's

a superhero cartoon with comedy. Yes You would

I I think you would actually like it Kevin because

I know you like Animaniacs and and it's the same

brainchild and and tiny tunes So it's the same

type of comedy except he's a superhero and they

have a lot of crossovers I think I've seen maybe

some some clips of that and they were enjoyable.

I just I think it's one of those that I missed

out when it was originally airing and it's just

like any TV show, cartoon or whatever. If you

miss it that first time, sometimes you just never

catch on to it unless you make a point to go

seek it. Yeah, that's understandable. I actually,

probably by the time this episode airs, this

season finale airs, I will have bought both volumes

and iTunes so I can catch up to this show because

I've been watching YouTube clips of it and oh

my God, this show is so funny. And then Kevin

and I talked about the wacky the whacked out

wacky racers. Oh my god This this show was such

genius Well, I mean I think you can compare this

to the other one that we're about to talk to

I mean wacky races and Laugh Olympics The format

it's just so genius at the time. I know you know

It's not for like today's audience. It might

not be that unique and that original But for

that time it was just so cool to have a show

where you got to see all of the different stars

Which is something that couldn't happen today

because you don't have a company like Hanna -Barbera

Or I mean that you kind of have like the Looney

Tunes, but they're always together But I mean

you don't have a company that has that many main

stars that you could then take and throw it into

one show. Yeah. Oh, no, no. You don't have that

today. I mean, you could argue, I guess, superhero

squad, but it's all Marvel stuff and it's superheroes.

But I mean, like, the way that this show, the

way that Laugh Olympics and Wacky Races played

out was it was all these stars that got it. Essentially,

it's Mario and Sonic go to the Olympics, except

it's all the Hanna -Barbera stars, and they're

on three different teams. As we said in the episode,

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Then you're damn fools. As always, I gotta thank

everybody that helped me make this first season

of Tooncast Beyond what it was. Ben and Neil

over at Animation Aficionados, regardless of

their opinions, are awesome guys to work with

for the most part. Absolutely loved doing the

DC Universe crossovers with them. That was able

to, you know, that gave us a lot of great episodes

here in Tooncast Beyond and also allowed them

the chance to cover those movies. uh... very

very awesome same thing with j t in sketch working

with those two guys on the marvel another some

other dc stuff in season one and of course is

always you know steven and kevin and all that

stuff with the delorean time stuff that they

worked on it was just amazing i think uh... i

think this was uh... a pretty good overall season

for tuned cast beyond uh... can't thank everyone

enough for contributing uh... very very awesome

so yes thank you to everyone and thank you for

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we hope you enjoyed season one of Tooncast Beyond

I wish you'll join us next season when we will

be working on a dream spotlight with the DreamWorks

spotlight I know a lot of people are like oh

Themed seasons, that's not enough of a variety.

The point here in Tooncast Beyond is to cover

as many different cartoons and stuff that we

can. And with doing a, you know, the DreamWorks

spotlight that gets us to watch a lot of DreamWorks

movies, there will be plenty of DeLorean times

in Season 2. Stuff like Denver the last dinosaur

mysterious cities of gold or just two that I

can think of off top my head For DreamWorks movies.

We'll be covering the French the the French what

the fuck is a French the Shrek franchise flushed

away shark tail I'm just thinking of these off

the top of my head. Again, thank you to everyone,

both the people that worked with me on season

one and the listeners of Tooncast Beyond and

GeekCaster Network for making season one what

it was. Very, very awesome. I also gotta thank

Chuck Dogg for his superhero squad episode that

he did in the very beginning. But that's gonna

do it for us on Tooncast Beyond. It will return

August 1st, 2012. For now, I am TF2 and Mike.

Thank you for listening, until August.