Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines

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Today we are jumping back into the DeLorean for

another Tooncast Beyond DeLorean time episode

where they're heading set for 1969. We will be

talking about... dastardly and motley whoo -hoo

we're spinning off yes as a fresner rice are

fresh reminds me of you that's where i actually

got my whole trail off like when i'll when i'll

be ranting about somebody and then i'll be like

you know i'll be talking and i'll just go to

a stupid son of a b***h So that's where I got

it from was Mutley. Your good old rant. Yes,

that's right. You either love it or you hate

it. So for the history lesson, take it away.

Dastardly and Mutley. Technically, I guess you

can call it Dastardly and Mutley and their flying

machines. Right. It's a Hanna Barbera cartoon

that usually played on CBS, of course. Originally,

the series was broadcast on Saturday mornings.

But eventually, obviously, it was rerun and syndicated

in all kinds of different days. But if you're

watching it in its original form, you're watching

it on Saturday morning. The show focuses on the

efforts of Dick Dastardly and his canine sidekick,

Muttley, to catch Yankee Doodle Pigeon. Just

one of the weirdest character names ever a carrier

pigeon who carries secret messages The cartoon

was a combination of Red Baron era Snoopy Wacky

races and the film those magnificent men in their

flying machines. Obviously these two characters

are spinoffs from the show wacky races, which

we just talked about Last week last week the

show is widely known as stop the pigeon Some

based on the show's original working title and

the show's theme song written by Hannah and Barbara

it repeats the phrase stop the pigeon frequently

so that's why sometimes you hear it called that

instead of dastardly and mutley the show is kind

of unique because it only had two voice actors

Paul Winchell and Don Messick so they are doing

all of the characters and each 22 minute show

was broadcast over a half hour on the network

including network breaks it was kind of sometimes

you had different things you had Usually the

format was he had two Dastardly and Mutley stories

and one magnificent Mutley story, which was kind

of Mutley's little daydreams or whatnot. And

then you had two or three short wingdings, which

were brief gags that broke up the longer section.

So that was kind of the format for it. So what

do you remember about Dastardly and Mutley? Oh

my God. Besides Mutley's voice. I love this show.

This is so awesome. Don't know if I mentioned

but it was on for I believe 34 episodes if I'm

remembering right Um you said earlier, you know,

they're out to stop. Yeah, he doodle pigeon from

care, you know from carrying secret messages

back and forth now Is it just me or are they

saying dick dastardly is a Nazi? well okay maybe

not maybe not world war two could be a communist

the only thing i can think of is here could be

cold war the only thing i think of is like world

war two or you know i mean as i was one of the

best of what you know i don't think you do this

is i don't think of like the civil war like you

know the blue and the blue and the gray really

so i'd be civil war not world war two uh... that

the civil war sorry totally screwed that up.

Civil War where Yankee Doodle Pigeon is the Union

and Dick Dastardly and crew are the Confederates.

Could be. That's a good scenario there. I did

always want him to sing Yankee Doodle Pigeon

though. Three Stooges shorts. What's that? I

was flashing to three Stooges shorts when I was

watching this and there are a couple three Stooges

shorts where the Stooges are roped into being

Confederates or they're working for the Union

so that's where I was kind of... i remember these

characters i don't necessarily remember watching

the show in the format of the show as a kid uh...

but i but i do remember the characters from this

uh... from different things that they showed

up in hannah barbara uh... but i said i'd i wouldn't

have been able to tell you that there was you

know two or three segments and wingdings and

right i would have been able to name the rest

of the crew which will get to in a minute or

or even tell you much about the format but the

the most memorable part of this show is the two

characters and the iconic voices that carried

these two characters. Oh, yes. You know, Paul

Winchell's Dick Dasterly is iconic and Don Messick

is hilarious as mutley in this. It's not necessarily

like I wouldn't say it's really one of his iconic

voices because there's not a lot of dialogue,

but it's so hilarious how he pulls it off. I

would say it is iconic. I would argue that because

he has... I think it's iconic. I don't know if

it's his iconic voices. It's one of his iconic

voices. Well, well, here's the thing. I would

say it is one of his iconic voices simply because

everybody remembers the mutley mumble about Rastardly

and they always remember the laugh. Now, I was

watching... I'll actually put it in the post

if it's still available. by the time this episode

airs, I was watching a 20 -minute video that

someone put on YouTube which was combined shorts.

It was one whole episode or whatever. It was

one... whatever it was. But in that episode,

throughout the episode, the general of whatever

army... That Dastardly is working for will call

him and sometimes it'll be an actual phone Sometimes

this last time that I'm I'm gonna be referencing

here was actually a shoe phone It came out of

Dastardly's foot or it came out of his leg somehow

I don't know Muttley got the phone and Muttley's

like a row so the reason why I say Muttley is

one of Messick's iconic voices is because Muttley

is essentially Scooby and Astro combined Yeah,

I can see that But yeah, just the two of them

are so memorable just for the way that they are

Portrayed and the sounds the voices the laughs

and then everything about that and it makes everything

else just kind of gravy on top Oh, yeah so much

and you know that this team of dastardly mutley

zilly and and clunk just just amazing where where

clunk is the one that goes and and and zilly

has to translate for him because because because

every every time clunk talks that is dastardly

like what do you say what do you say yeah well

sometimes he i saw i've seen a couple episodes

where he somehow can uh understand him sometimes

does talk like nobody else does but all of a

sudden he does it's kind of interesting yeah

Yeah. Well, you're kind of getting right into

the characters then. I mean, obviously, we have

the crew here, which is the Vulture Squadron,

which is what we're talking about, which is Dick

Dasterly, who's the leader, obviously. You got

Muttley, who's the dog side, canine sidekick.

And then you have Zilly and Clunk. Now, Clunk

is kind of like the designer, the gadget man,

the inventor, so to speak. But obviously, yeah,

he can't speak. And so his buddy Zilly there,

who is like the most timid, scared, anti -social,

like, I don't even know what you want to call

it. He's a frady cat. He's afraid of everything.

He often has his head go into his body or his

outfit. His jacket, yeah. Yeah. And then you

had the Yankee Doodle pigeon, which is what we

talked about, which is like the homing pigeon

that's carrying a mail bag, presumably American.

Whereas these other guys are presumably some

type of evil group. Like you said, we can't really

quite tell. Right. And then the general, which

you never see, but he's the one giving the orders

and does the classic, you know, sometimes this

is going to explode in two minutes after you

read it or different things. There's always some

type of gag with the phone or with the call.

It's not always the same thing, but it always

leads to some type of weird nonsense. And then

occasionally seen was Muttley's girlfriend. Yeah.

I didn't see her in any of the episodes I watched,

but... I didn't either. Basically, I've seen

pictures of her before, and it basically just

looks like the female version of Motley. Yeah.

Who's also voiced by Don Messick, so those are

your characters. It's Motley in drag. Right.

Basically, that's what it looks like. And I don't

know about you, I just think every one of these

characters adds to the fact that, I mean, you

have... dastardly muddly who can carry the show

by themselves yeah and then you have all these

fun little flavors to throw on top of it like

you got the scaredy -zilly you got the you know

can't speak clunk you got this pigeon that can

basically outsmart all of them yeah and then

you have the random general causing problems

by giving orders and having weird things happen

it's it's just like a excellent ensemble yeah

do you have any characters you don't like no

oh no not at all I mean, there's nothing I I

love this this era of like Not counting, you

know our fandoms of Transformers and he man and

Voltron of Thundercats and mask and all all the

80 not not just don't even count the 80s just

Pretend the 80s never happened even though they

did thank God, but If it was just these cartoons

and the Scooby cartoons and the Looney Tunes

cartoons and Tom and Jerry and all that stuff,

I'd love all of these cartoons. And the reason

people love these cartoons is because basically

it was back when the actual writing mattered.

Right. Like you actually had to write a good

cartoon. You had to have clever dialogue. You

had to have plots. You had to have all this stuff.

It was before it became about the flash and bang

and the animation and the smoke and mirrors type

stuff. Like it seems to have nowadays it's like

all about who can look the prettiest or who has

the best action sequences or this or that. And

a lot of the writing and the plots and the dialogue

has been lost. over the years and that's just

something that's awesome about these classic

era cartoons. They knew they had limited visual

animation, they had limited technology to work

with and it had to be carried by the meat and

the potatoes of it. So right and it but it didn't

need like it didn't need an over dramatic plot

I mean, you know, you only have to really watch

outside of like the the mini segments like a

standard dastardly and mutley episode, right?

You only have to watch one of these episodes

to get what all 34 are about Well, yeah, but

it's just there's something genius and being

able to do that 34 times and make it Seem like

you're watching something different each time

like you have to come up with so many gags and

so many misdirections and and practical jokes

and stuff like that and like a lot of people

if they tried to do that today it would just

look like Everybody would be like that's just

the same thing over and over and over again But

when you watch this back in the day, you didn't

think that You know, that's something if someone

says that that's somebody watching it in retrospect,

you know That's somebody looking back at it and

doing there Oh, we got a poopoo everything that

was done back in the day. But if you were watching

this back when it 1969 Every episode was new

and fun for you. Mm -hmm So even though it's

the same formula, it's like the genius of being

able to do it differently somehow And even rerunning

the stuff in the 80s when we would have seen

it, you know, it was new to us Obviously, you

know what I mean? So And it was one of those

things where honestly Dasher Liam Mutley Is that

it has a formula, but it doesn't feel formulaic,

you know what I mean, right and Honestly, I would

say the one cartoon that I would compare this

to that is out now is Phineas and Ferb I know

that's gonna sound weird But Phineas and Ferb

has a similar sort of format where each thing

has a gag, they add something new or they do

something different in every episode, but it's

the same formula over and over and over again.

But they change it up, they make it new, they

make it different, they do all these different

things, but I absolutely love this show. I don't

know how anyone would ever be able to say something

negative about this show. I mean, look at this

voice cast. this is probably right well that's

what I was going to get going to get to I mean

that this is the smallest voice actor cartoon

I have ever seen but they play the most characters

I mean you know Paul Winchell plays Dastardly

general and others. So how many you know, how

many others are actually you know what I mean?

Yeah, Messick plays mutley clunk zilly Yankee

Doodle pigeon narrator and others essentially,

this is going over the The 80s standard of hey,

we'll pay you for three voices. I mean look at

Messick. That's one two three That's like five

six. Well, that's that's like five or six voices

plus whatever the others is You know what I mean?

It's just amazing and every single voice is different.

Yep And that's what's also genius about some

of those classic voice actors the ability to

change their voice so much But it's just you

know I mean you can't the only way you could

have less is if you have a one -man show basically

so we're a bare minimum of voice actors and Their

ability to talk to talk to themselves and talk

to each other and play off each other I mean

you got to realize that half the time these guys

are talking to themselves Yeah so you know the

only really time I mean because general really

only the general only really talks to dick dastardly

right so that's when she'll talking to himself

Essentially, yes, um and you know I know dick

desley is sometimes talking to the rest of them

But you know clunk zilly and all those guys are

our messick So it's like there's a lot of just

genius of how they pulled it off and made each

each character sound slightly different And Paul

Winchell is just one of my all -time favorites.

So I almost anything he does is golden Yeah,

I'm not taking anything away from dynamic. Obviously

three of all time I honestly would like to, you

know how we always say we would love to be a

fly on the wall at a voice session, whether it's,

you know, whether it's Animaniacs or, you know,

Batman the Animated Series, Justice League, whatever.

Nowadays, you know, Transformers Prime, whatever.

I want to know what the voice sessions were like

in 1969. when the two of them, was it a video

game session where each one of them came in,

did their voices, and left? Or was it the two

of them sitting in a room? That's not how they

usually did things back then. Well, back then,

no, I'm saying as far as one of them coming in

and then leaving, most of the time in the classic

era, they're all in the studio at the same time.

Right, right. It was before we got to the point

where you could come in and do your shtick and

get out of there. Right. Talk about being a fly

in the wall. We'll talk about that next week,

but The other thing talking about these voice

actors real quickly was was the amount of kind

of not just cool voice acting but they had some

iconic Phrasing and land lines and stuff like

that, especially Mully, you know with the sassafras

or I said you know, chicken zilly, you know,

whatever. There was just some some key phrases

and lines used over and over again that they

really did cool and really made it memorable.

You know, I Dratten Double Drap for Dick Dastardly

says that over and over again. Muttley's snickering.

You know, there's just certain things that you

just want to hear over and over again. I love

the chemistry between the two of them, between

Dastardly and Muttley, because essentially it's

it's man's best man and man's best friend um

i love the chemistry between the two of them

because mutley will do something whatever it

is or or or he'll laugh at something that has

happened to dick dasterly and actually like mutley

give me your medals He loved his medals, you

know, you know, he'll come up and apologize and

that's he's like that's better That's you know,

he's it's kind of like that's what I thought

you said, you know Yeah, he always loves his

medals and go crazy for I forgot the other thing

about the general to There was sometimes you

where you'd actually see an arm come out of the

phone His whole arm would come out of the phone

and like, you know whether it was like knocking,

you know, bopping Dick Dastardly in the head

or taking something or something like that that

was always cool when you see his arm pop out

of the phone. Just like another classic character

that you're always like, what does he look like?

Yeah, yeah. But you didn't need to know what

the general looked like. No, but I'm just saying

it's just one of those that you're always like,

hmm, like the nanny from The Muppet Babies. Kind

of leaves you wondering, yeah. You know, the

thing with Dastardly and Mully is, well, with

Mully specifically, that video I was mentioning

earlier, Shows an episode where that scene happens

that I just described about. Muttley give me

your medal. I'm taking it away because of whatever

he did. And Muttley bursts into tears. And Muttley

hands it over. But you kind of see, as Dastardly's

walking away, Muttley attached a string to his

medal. So, yoink! And he cut himself. Right.

It's just so enjoyable. I can watch these cartoons

over and over and over again. I know I mentioned

this earlier a few minutes ago. The same thing

with Looney Tunes. Looney Tunes, for example,

Cartoon Network today shows the Looney Tunes

shorts from 6 to 6 .30 a .m. Eastern and noon

to 1 p .m. Eastern every Monday through Friday.

Love just watching the old Looney Tunes cartoons

half the time sometimes if I'm tired I'll end

up falling asleep to those and I'll wake up in

the middle of Tom chasing Jerry It's just it's

such fun watching these classic cartoons Yeah,

and another part of this show like we mentioned

kind of briefly in the intro was the the magnificent

mutley clips Which were about three minutes long

like we said they were mutley at daydreaming.

Yeah, he would basically Imagine himself in different

situations or pretend pretending to be certain

characters, some of the biggest ones. Davey Crockett,

he pretended to be Leonardo da Vinci, Tarzan,

or just general stuff like an astronaut or a

magician or a superhero. So that was always kind

of funny and kind of had the interesting verse

spoken by Dasher. They kind of they had like

their individual intro, which is kind of cool

for this three minute segment. And he would say,

wake up, Motley, you're dreaming again. You're

not Robin Hood and you're not Ganga Din. You're

not a brave knight or a king who's been crowned.

You're just plain old Motley, the snickering

hound. And then, you know, go into the magnificent

Motley segment. And those were cool. Yes, but

to note here several TV stations objected to

Gunga Din because of the stereotype and was replaced

and re -recorded by Wenchel using the name of

Commodore which showed Mutley in a sea captain's

uniform with a captain's hat. But that doesn't

rhyme so that's not cool. No, that doesn't rhyme

at all. You know the plots for each one outside

of the Magnificent Mutley, I mean the plots are

basically the same as far as the other part of

it. You know, they're trying to catch Yankee

Doodle Pigeon. They come up with some type of

contraption or new planes or new blah, blah,

blah. And they try to catch them and the pigeon

outsmarts them. Like that is the plot for every

episode. But like you said before, it's written

in a way that makes each one unique and each

one full of different gags that you've never

seen before. And then it's just cool that they

add the Magnificent Motley and the Wingdings

around it. Yeah, I don't know how often or if

you even remember watching them, but I don't

know how often you pay attention to the credits

on the Looney Tunes shorts. I do because I want

to see who the writer was to make sure that I

know which director it was before the directors

pop up and says, oh, this is directed by this.

I don't know how often you pay attention to that,

but supposedly... Michael Maltese, who wrote

many of the original Roadrunner shorts, is also

credited as a writer on Wacky Races, the perils

of Penelope Pitstop, and Dastardly and Mutley.

I think that's one of the reasons why I enjoy

Dastardly and Mutley so much is because it's

Michael Maltese as the writer. Now, he worked

with Chuck Jones a lot. I mean, him and Chuck

Jones were like, you know, joined at the hip

when it came to cartoons. And I absolutely love

his his way of storytelling and his jokes and

everything else just amazing Well and the other

reason too that you were probably thinking that

this was some type of a world war Era is because

that's where the planes are coming from the planes

are all first a world war one planes basically,

right? So that's why it has that kind of feel

to it Right. Yeah, so that's makes sense. There

was basically 16 I guess there were 16 episodes,

but then since there was two per each one, you

basically had 34 Dastardly and Mutley segments.

But 16 or 17 total, I guess 17 total episodes.

Right. So that's why there's 17 segments of Mr.

Mutley Daydreaming and there's 34 of the actual

flying machine ones. So all wrapped up in 17

great packages. Yeah, and very, very awesome.

What about the music in this? I love the music.

I mean, the music is Hannah Barbera. It's classic.

It's what you hear on a lot of them. You know,

it's probably Hoyt Curtain. But, you know, it's

cool and especially in this one because there

are times where there's a void in dialogue. You

know, there are times where they're doing a chase

or they're doing some type of trick or this or

that. Or you're dealing with Mully who doesn't

really speak too many words or you're dealing

with Clunk who doesn't really speak. Right. So

the music really does a good job of kind of aiding

that and complementing those spaces so it doesn't

ever feel like it's dragging. I totally agree.

I absolutely love the music. Getting into the

legacy segment here in popular culture. We got

a couple of bits I'll take the first one you

can take the second one Although the wacky races

series is never mentioned and being set the present

day would not take place for decades The mean

machine can be seen in all of the episodes of

the magnificent monthly. That's interesting Yeah,

I didn't realize that. The Stop the Pigeon theme

song was covered along with the theme music from

Johnny Quest by the rockabilly band Reverend

Horton Heat in the 1995 compilation album Saturday

Morning Cartoon's Greatest Hits. The series was

sponsored also by Kellogg's Breakfast Serials

in its original run, and the characters appeared

in several commercials for cereal companies,

which was not uncommon for that time period.

No. in the episode of Yogi's Treasure Hunt entitled

Yogi's Heroes, in which Yogi Bear and Dick Dasherly

were the leaders of warring nations, Dasherly

tortured all of Yogi's friends by forcing them

to watch episodes of Dasherly and Mutley and

their flying machines until the victims were

incapable of doing anything more than stumbling

around and repeatedly chanting, stop the pigeon.

It's so, so, so awesome. As far as where most

people probably caught this, you know, not live

Saturday mornings back in 1969, after its original

CBS run, it was shown in syndicated reruns on

local stations throughout the 70s and 80s. And

then sometimes there was some episodes that sneaked

onto VHS tape. As far as DVD goes... Warner home

video released the complete series on region

1 DVD on May 10th 2005 So it's the incomplete

series, 17 episodes, all in one nice tidy box.

And it also includes commentary on a couple episodes.

The Vulture Squadron's greatest misses. Watch

the pigeon thwart the Vulture Squadron. That's

a special feature. And then Dastardly and Mutley's

spinoffs retrospective. So there's three different

special features on that. So that's not a bad

set to have. You can get basically the whole

thing in one swoop. Yeah, very awesome. I might

have to add that to my collection. Yes. I so

want that. That would be so awesome to have.

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slash geek cast radio So final thoughts on dastardly

and mutley. I think it's I think it's kind of

like sometimes one of the forgotten hannah barbaric

cartoons We don't really talk about that at all

in the episode, but I think people think Hannah

Barbera, and they think of the original Huckleberry

Hound, and they think of Yogi Bear, and Grape

Ape, or they maybe think of Snaggle Puss, or

some of those other ones. I think a lot of times

people forget about not only Wacky Races and

Laugh Olympics and some of those later compilation

shows, but then there was these other ones that

kind of came with that, like Dastardly and Mutley,

that sometimes I think just get. forgotten, which

is a shame because it's just so good. And it's

something that's a little bit different for Hanna

-Barbera. You know, we kind of made the comparison

with the writer there, Michael Maltese. It is

kind of the the Roadrunner Wiley Coyote of Hanna

-Barbera. You know, because for most of the other

Hanna -Barbera cartoons, the plots are completely

different. You know, you know, Yogi Bear is trying

to get picnic baskets or, you know, there's there's

a difference. basic premise that they don't really

have that straight -up chase, where it's just

one person trying to catch one person over and

over and over again. And Dastley and Mutley did

that and did that very successfully. And I think

it's enough different than Wile E. Coyote in

Road Runner that it makes it a really cool addition

to anybody's Hanna -Barbera library. And anybody

that likes those classic cartoons should check

out this cartoon, because they're missing something

if they haven't seen it. Yeah, I agree. I don't

I don't think my thoughts would be any different

than that. I have to say though sadly You know,

I mentioned the comparison to Looney Tunes earlier

in the show When I watched Looney Tunes today,

I focus on the main characters Bugs, Daffy, Sylvester,

Tweety, Corky, all of those I actually put my

TV on mute and come out here to the computer

when the Roadrunner cartoons are on because,

well, as a kid I used to love them. Every time

you knew he was going down the cliff or you knew

something was going to happen, now when I watch

the Roadrunner cartoons from the classic Looney

Tunes shorts, I just don't find myself laughing

anymore as I used to. Well, and this one I think

is easier to stomach for a lot of people these

days, or would be, because you do have some dialogue.

You do have some verbal interaction, and it makes

the characters a little deeper. Whereas Road

Runner and Coyote, you know, it's always on mute

basically. It's just the music driving that non

-stop. And I think that's hard for, you know,

if you just took like a random kid, I think even

though they're gonna be more exposed to Coyote

and Roadrunner because it's on TV, they would

actually enjoy this better, I think. I'm not

trying to take away anything because I love Roadrunner

and Coyote and I love those segments, but I think

this is almost better. I love the nostalgia of

those, watching them as a kid, but... This is

more watchable. Yeah, this is way... And it's

really not that dated. No. The only thing that

really dates the series is the fact that the

the planes the style of the airplanes And the

fact that they're in like a civil war, right?

But I mean as far as like the actual, you know,

there's not references that kids won't get It's

just good old like we're trying to catch you

and there's hijinks and stuff in it And I think

that's just that's ageless and a lot of people

like to put you know Just see any old cartoon

and be like, oh it's dated or whatever. But this

one definitely is not. Yeah. Yeah Alright, thank

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