ToonCast Beyond
The Incredible Hulk Review

About this Episode
Beyond good, beyond evil, beyond your wildest
imagination! Hello and welcome to the 24th episode
of Tooncast Beyond brought to you by GeekCast,
Radio Network, and Audible .com. I am your host,
Steve Juneau and Mike Entree. I am joined by
JT from Saskatoon. Hello. Good day to you, sir.
How are you doing? I'm all right. Today we are
going to jump back into the DeLorean for another
Tooncast Beyond DeLorean time episode with our
heading set for 1996 and the Un -Incredible Hulk
cartoon. Oh, it wasn't that bad. Oh my god second
season not okay. Okay. First of all, first of
all, let me just set the record straight here.
I Did not start watching this cartoon for this
podcast until after May the fourth May the fourth
I went to see Avengers and it was awesome I'm
kind of jaded at this point because Mark Ruffalo
And his version of Hulk in that movie, the way
Hulk was portrayed in that movie, the way Bruce
Banner was portrayed in that movie, was the best
ever. And then I watched this shit. It's not
shit. It is shit. It's not shit. It is shit.
Before we start arguing with each other, let's
go ahead and give the overview, the history lesson.
The Incredible Hulk is an American animated television
series starring the Marvel Comics character The
Hulk. It ran two seasons for 21 episodes on the
television network UPN. Well there, no wonder,
it sucks. Oh. From 96 to 97, Lou Ferrigno, who
portrayed the Hulk on the 1970s live -action
TV series, returned to provide Hulk's voice.
The show often featured cameo appearances by
characters from other Marvel cartoons of the
period. In the second season, the show's format,
after UPN decided that season one was too dark,
was changed to give female viewers a chance.
The network ordered the She -Hulk be made a regular
co -star. As a result, the series was officially
renamed the Incredible Hulk and She -Hulk. The
second season also featured the Greyhulk. Oh
my God. I'm going to say it right now. When cartoons
are done by committee, they always suck. And
that was the second season. The first season
was, yeah, it was dark, but I mean, it was very
well written. I mean. A lot of the episodes,
they weren't always like, you know, the Hulk
saves the day and bounds off into the sunset.
There were some really bittersweet episodes.
I mean, that's kind of the idea of, you know,
this man living with a monster sort of thing.
It was a great cartoon and reflected some of
the best periods of the Hulk comic books. Are
you serious? Yes. There was great stories. Maybe
I need to go back and read more Hulk comics,
but holy shit, when I went back so far, For this
recording, I've only seen the first nine and
a half. I'm like midway through episode 10 of
the first season. I just have had horrible, horrible
times trying to pay attention and actually care
about this series because alls it is is, oh my
god, I need to purge myself of this monster.
And then it's Hulk smash, Hulk bash, Hulk. Blah!
And then insert Marvel character here from other
cartoon or insert Ghost Rider who thankfully
never got a 90s Marvel cartoon. Oh, that would
have been awesome. Oh my god. But yeah, but I
mean that was... This cartoon sucks. Some of
the most classic Hulk tales were about Bruce
Banner, you know, it's like the Bill Bixby show,
Bruce Banner trying to rid himself of the Hulk.
I mean, they end the first season on, you know,
a pre... I mean, yeah, it was a cartoon adaptation,
so they didn't get all the major beats, but they
got most of the broad strokes of the comic book
story where they try to separate Bruce Banner
and the Hulk and find out, well, they can't live
without each other. They're both going to die.
But no, this first season, like I said, the first
season is the best. It's the best part of the
show. And the whole with all the different Marvel
characters showing up. Well, that was just Marvel
animation in the 90s. You really can't play the
series. Oh, yeah. I know that. And I didn't mind
when they showed up. The only one I really minded
on was Ghost Rider, because that made no goddamn
sense. That entire episode made no goddamn sense
to me. I don't mind, because I've said it before.
I loved it when the X -Men crossed over into
Spider -Man. I loved it when Iron Man and War
Machine crossed over in Spider -Man. I don't
remember... because i only really pay attention
to the second season of iron man because that
was the better of the two uh... i don't remember
if there were any crossovers in that i know they
brought in force works all that stuff but i don't
know if like spidey or anybody else crossed over
into that you technically there is an episode
in uh... ninety -four iron man series were hope
gets started but this was This was prior to the
Hulk series coming out, so... Right, right. That
was kind of like a precursor of, oh, hey, that's
why. It's like, don't watch... You have to watch
the 90s Marvel cartoons in year -date order.
You have to watch X -Men first, you have to watch
Spider -Man second, then Iron Man, and then Hulk,
because if you watch Hulk before Iron Man, you'd
be like, wait, why does Tony Stark know Bruce
Banner? Well, yeah, and you know, I mean just
speak with that one Iron Man episode quick the
coolest thing about that and we'll talk about
it more when we get to the cast was The guy they
got to voice the leader in the Iron Man episode
They brought back to voice him on the regular
with the Hulk cartoon, right? Yeah. Yeah All
right, so I vaguely remember this show as a kid
1996 I was too much into watching the Olympics.
I was too much into watching, I think I was watching
Superman the Animated Series at that point. I
wasn't into, and I don't even think I was watching
X -Men anymore at that point. I might have been
because of the fourth season and what Beyond
Good and Evil was, but I wasn't, 1996, I don't
remember watching a lot of cartoons. I remember
maybe an episode and a half of this. and it was
like I've already, you know, grumbled about.
It was like, oh, Hulk smash all the way. I was
like, oh, God, give me a friggin' break. But
what do you remember about this, you know, growing
up as a kid watching it? Well, I remember the
first time I found out about this series was
also, I used to read Wizard magazine, like, religiously,
you know, before the internet totally took over
and Garib Shamus was revealed to be somewhat
of a dick. The very first issue of Wizard magazine
I ever got was basically the issue where they
broke the news that the Incredible Hulk was getting
his second animated series, because there was
the classic 1960s Marvel superheroes one. The
first picture I saw was just this static image
of the new version of Hulk standing there with
a scowl on his face. I was like, you know what?
I want to watch this because the Hulk has always
been one of my favorite Marvel characters. Doug
this show. I mean, the only sucky thing about
this wasn't the fact that it was on UPN. And
this was far from the worst cartoon that they
had on UPN was the fact that it was on Sunday
mornings. And it was on Sunday mornings and it
was right in the middle of church. Now I'm not,
I'm not calling that like, you know, I'm not
knocking religion or nothing. I'm just, as a
kid, Your priorities are very skewed. Yes. And
Church or bad Marvel cartoons? Bad Marvel cartoons,
please. I will say mediocre. I will not say bad.
I'm sorry. This series is downright awful. See,
I know. So my dad, you know, I have to wake up,
get going, and my dad would always give me crap
when I'd be trying to program the VCR to record
it. And he's like, oh, you can watch it later.
It's not on later. But no, like I said when we
started this, I love half of this series. The
first season and first episode of the second,
and the rest can go take a flying leap. But no,
I really dug this. I mean, like you said, we're
coming off of X -Men, which by the time X -Men
was over, I was kind of over my X -Men cartoon,
X -Men love. And see, that's the thing. With
X -Men and I know this is not a show about X
-Men and we've already talked about X -Men on
on to cast classic but With X -Men I never knew
like in the in the back of my mind I think I
knew but as a kid I never knew there was a for
a fifth season I thought it ended with the Beyond
Good and Evil four -parter at the end of season
four. That's where I thought the series ended,
and I was happy thinking that. Years later, I'm
like, oh, there's a season five? Wait, what is
this shit? But yeah, by 96, I was so out of my
X -Men craze. somewhat ironically, the fifth
season kind of brought me back into the X -Men
cartoon, if only because of the change in animation
style. Because the first... From being cool to
being downright... And I've said this before
off -air with you, it's just the somewhat heavy
use of shadow at times and the fact that, you
know, it just seemed really shiny to me. the
art style, and that didn't jive with me. So they
came back with a somewhat more animated animation.
I dug that, but we're not talking about Wolverine,
we're talking about the raging monster within.
And that's one of the things that I love about
the series is the fact that Lou Ferrigno came
back. I mean, you may not agree with me on this,
but I'm gonna say it anyhow. Lou Ferrigno is
to the Hulk, for me, as Kevin Conroy is to the
Batman. Like, he is the most identifiable sort
of part, I mean... I don't disagree with that,
but at the same time... Well, I mean, you listen,
like, I love, uh, what do you, Fred, uh, Tatchisiori,
I think that's how you pronounce his name, who's
done the voice of the Hulk in, like, you know,
the Hulk Versus in the Avengers cartoon. Right
and all that and he does a really good Hulk,
but I mean he's playing The kind of I think late
80s early 90s Hulk wherever you know his green
Hulk But he could actually speak in complete
sentences and right. Yeah, you know kind of got
a little bit the gray Hulk in there whereas Lou
Ferrigno Pull it physically and verbally played
my favorite version of the Incredible Hulk, which
was you know the the incredible Yeah, the TV
series. The savage five -year -old with a temper
tantrum of a nuclear level. Yeah. I mean, because
I grew up watching the live -action show and
only the show because I saw one of those movies
and I called bullshit. I agree with your statement
about that Lou Ferrigno is to Hulk, is to what
Kevin Conroy is to Batman. However, I have to
kinda disagree with you and say that Lou Ferrigno
is also like Stan Bush, wherein the fact of,
and I love Stan Bush, don't get me wrong, I love
the guy, but, you know, people have said, I don't
say this, but other people have said, oh, BotCon's
coming up. Oh, Stan Bush is attending, he must
need a... Paycheck and that's the that's the
way I feel about Lou Ferrigno with the Hulk because
he did the TV series which was awesome He I didn't
even really realize until I actually looked at
the casting that it was him voicing the Hulk
here in the cartoon and Then he did the voice
in the two Well, the the crouching tiger version
of the Hulk and then the Incredible Hulk I'm
just over Lou Ferrigno at this point. I can get
that. I mean, I don't necessarily think it's
a paycheck for him. I wouldn't necessarily argue.
Celebrity Apprentice was a paycheck for Lou.
Well, yeah, that was a paycheck for everybody.
But no, I mean, like I said, Lou Ferrigno, it's
kind of like how they brought the entire cast
of Justice League back for Justice League Doom.
You know, we're doing another Hulk animated something.
You guys want to get Lou back in? Yeah, sure.
You know, because Lou is Hulk. I mean, he is
going to be eternally identified as kind of how
Mark Ruffalo is probably going to be, because
they're like Edward Who. Yeah. I kind of dug
the Ed Norton Hulk. I mean, I love it. It's part
of the movie thing. But I think for me, and this
is kind of stemming off into the film discussion,
but I think for me with the Hulk movies, You
need to have one actor doing both roles not to
not not Ed Norton doing Bruce Banner and then
it be the the facial rep You know the the 3d
rendering facial recognition of of Lou Ferrigno
with Lou Ferrigno's voice You need to do what
was done in the Avengers where it's one fucking
guy not two different guys doing it Yeah, no,
I can get that. I mean, but that kind of plays
into the whole in a way that kind of played to
get one guy to play both roles that kind of plays
into the central core of the character with Stanley
came up with the fact that the Hulk is basically
a Mr. or Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde analogy right
you know because the whole you know the raging
you know the raging beast within and all that
that's that was what was so great and I mean
that's what I love about Lou Ferrigno voicing
the Hulk is the fact that you know he's lived
this for like almost 30 years And he gets it.
I mean like in the Ed Norton movie, you know
before we get back to the cartoon when he Where
you know the abomination is like any last words
and he says the two greatest words in the entirety
of Hulk comic books You turn into a five -year
-old. I don't care who you are when he says that
And that was like what was great about that is
because you feel you know, I'm kind of exaggerating
slightly is the fact that He gets it. He gets
Hulk. He is the Hulk. So that's why it sounds
and feels so good when he says Hulk Smash. And,
you know, certainly in this cartoon, they gave
Hulk more, almost more of a vocabulary than he
ever had in the comics. Yeah. Which was nice,
because, I mean, you got to move things along.
You can't just have this mountain of muscle just,
you know, punching things all the time. He's
got to say something. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Moving
into the cast I'm just gonna run down Neil McDonough
voiced Bruce or Robert Bruce Banner, which is
so friggin stupid I have no idea why they put
that that's the full name from the comics. Oh
it is okay. Well Lou free no voice the Hulk Jeannie
Francis voiced Betty Ross Felice sampler voiced
Betty Ross in 97 Holy hell, what the hell is
Dylan doing in this show? Luke Perry voices Rick
Jones. I can't remember if this came out before
or after the Mortal Kombat cartoon. It's probably
around the same time. I much prefer Rick Jones
to his Sub -Zero. Yeah, John Vernon is Thunderbolt
Ross, Kevin Sean is Major Glenn Talbot in Abomination
96, Samuel Larroquette in Zax, Matt Fruer is
the leader. Oh god, I like this guy as an actor.
I think the first thing I ever saw him in besides
Lawn Mower Man was Short Time. It's a 19... 90
movie I think I don't remember but I've seen
him before it and I liked his I like his voice
I like his acting but the leader this is really
what the Hulk has for a rogues gallery well I
mean seriously come on but okay we'll finish
the list and then I'll kind of the giant douche
anyway okay just finish it and I'll explain the
joker himself mark hamill is gargoyle richard
mall as abomination ninety six to ninety seven
tom barry as agent gabriel jones shadow stevens
is doctor lennon samson lisa zane and jennifer
walters she hulk that was for the first season
crease summer came in in season two for she all
michael donovan as gray hulk and then they had
a bunch of uh... casting uh... getting a bunch
of guest cast you got people like uh... Michael
Bell, Clancy Brown, Jim Cummings, Richard Greco,
Jennifer Hale, Dorian Harewood, Robert Hayes,
who was Tony Stark Iron Man, Michael Horse, ugh,
that's a horrible last name to be blessed with.
Oh my god, Cathy Ireland was in this series?
Yeah, and has one of the most un -clamorous female
characters. Wow. The brain was in here. Yeah,
Tom Kane was Homer. Yeah, Marisa Marsh, Dr. Strange.
Stan Lee was Mr. Walters. Don Lewis was The Hybrid.
Chuck McCann, The Thing. Lisa Miller was Wendigo
and Zaks. John Rhys Davies was Thor. Wow. That
was awesome. That's a little strange. Oh, come
on. John Rhys Davies, like he's just got that
deep voice. But that's what I'm saying. I've
seen him in other stuff and I just can't vision
his voice in the Thor character. It just doesn't
mesh well for me at all. Kevin Michael Richardson
as Evil Being slash Dark Hulk. Peter Strauss
as Dr. Walter Ling. Kowski Mark L. Taylor is
dr. Donald Blake and Simon Templeman is dr. Newman
Eric best bit as John someone in Bo Weaver as
mr. Fantastic So they did recycle some of the
Marvel Like Bo Weaver and Simon Templeton from
the FF series and yeah Walter Hay or Robert Hayes.
Sorry and Darian Haywood from Iron Man No, like
just to go back to the leader the way. Yeah,
the way they portrayed the leader in the cartoon
Biggest douchebag in 90s history. That was the
leader from the comic books, you know this super
smart maniacal calculating supervillain I mean,
excuse me Neil McDonough as Bruce Banner. I loved
his Bruce Banner and I'm gonna say this this
animated series his work in this animated series
buys him a lot of freaking leeway because he
still owes us an apology for that god -awful
Street Fighter movie he did Oh Legend of Chun
-Li I feel dirty just thinking about it. Okay,
you got Bull from Night Court, Richard Moll is
the abomination. I half expected him to say,
it was a big rock when it was abomination, if
you know what that is. You had Shadow Stevens,
Hollywood Squares in full effect here is Dr.
Sampson. been reading the whole comics for years,
and I didn't really care for Leonard Sampson,
but I loved the Leonard Sampson in the animated
series, because it just never came across in
the comics that he had a personality, at least
for me. You got Billy Zane's sister, Lisa Zane,
who I thought she sounded familiar, because this
is around the time that I saw Freddy's Dead,
The Last Nightmare, and she had been in that
movie. Right. The one, like you said, you know,
Cathy Ireland was awesome. The one voice that
I absolutely loved for Out of the Guest cast
was because I was a huge fan of 21 Jump Street
growing up. And the spinoff series Booker was,
you know, have Richard Grieco as Ghost Rider.
That was actually kind of cool. That was one
of the ones I really did love. Yeah. It's odd.
Like I said, the voice cast for a lot of the
main parts. was actually kind of cool. Like I
said, you know, Neil McDonough, Lou Ferrigno
as Bruce Banner in The Hulk. You know, you got
guys like, you got the Dean from Animal House
as General Thunderbolt Ross. Yeah. And that I
think was probably my absolute favorite voice
cast in the series because he just brought this
bluster and this swagger and just the tiniest
pinch of, you know, how... Ed Asner did JJJ or
J Jonah Jameson the spider -man series. He brought
a little bit of that, you know that pompous Windbag
sort of thing to the character, which is what
you needed for that role. Yeah, I guess That
was probably like who is your favorite voice?
You know in this if you have to pick one and
you can't say mark handle I Barely recognized
him, but I did in certain aspects um... i i gotta
go with uh... uh... where's the first voice uh...
i gotta go with the first of the the uh... the
season one voice uh... lisa zane as as jennifer
walter slash she'll come in she absolutely exuded
sexuality are I don't have as much of a crush
on her as I do Jennifer Hale's Felicia Hardy
Black Cat from Spidey 94, but it's up there as
far as a crush. The funny thing with She -Hulk,
at least in this cartoon, you're obviously better
researched with the comics than I am. When they
did that whole transfusion thing, she got his
strength and she got some hot -ass green looks.
But she didn't get like, oh, I'm a monster, and
then, oh, I'm a real person. Well, no, the way
it worked in the comic books, because the original
title, like when she first showed up, the original
title was The Savage She -Hulk. She was basically
a female Hulk. She spoke, and she was just, ah,
Jennifer Smash, basically. And the version of
She -Hulk in the cartoon, this is the... 1980s
John Burns since since shit. Yeah Sensational
She -Hulk. This is the second version and you
know the longest -lasting although she has relapsed
a few times into savagery But this is like the
second and by far the most popular Version of
She -Hulk there is and yeah, like Lisa Zane did
Did a great like not that I I don't dislike crease
summer. It's it's and it's mainly to do how they
is like hey it's the second season and let's
make this let's make girls involved in the hulk
and you don't put chocolate in my peanut butter
sort of thing i love lisa zane's appearances
in the first season especially that first one
she first transforms and she's like oh yeah oh
yeah you would swear to god you're listening
to a porno essentially yes i actually screen
capped uh the shadow of her thrusting, which
is changing, and that'll be in the post. That
was one hell of a picture. You're a guy, and
you're like 15, 16 -year -olds when you're watching
this. You get a funny feeling. Oh, yeah. That's
what I'm saying. I'm sitting there, and I literally
remember it quite clearly when I first saw this
episode, because we didn't go to church that
day. God's like, here you go, John. I'm sitting
there, I'm eating my pancakes in the living room.
My mom hated that. I'm sitting there and I literally
forks halfway to my mouth and I just froze for
like a minute. And I'm sitting there, my mom's
like, what's the matter? It's like nothing, I'm
just paying attention to the subtext. No, I mean,
they're probably the first time, although I didn't
know it until doing research. I knew I recognized
the voice from somewhere before like Michael
Donovan and You know Kevin Michael Richardson
like, you know a couple of the workhorses of
the voice actors industry, you know I loved his
Greyhulk and he pretty much kind of like how
Lou Ferrigno captured You know the savage Green
Hulk Michael Donovan got the great, you know,
the mister fix it, you know, he's not as strong
although he can get up as That way when he gets
mad enough But that was the great thing about
the Grey Hulk in the comics, it was a Hulk with
a brain. Right, yeah. He was a very, very conniving,
very, I wouldn't say Machiavellian, but very
kind of maniacal in some of his plotting and
trying to take over and always be out and not
let the Green Hulk or Bruce Banner back into
the world, so really dug that. And yeah, it's
like, they didn't have, like I said, a lot of
the 90s Marvel anime, the strongest thing I think
they had Was the voice casting is one of the
best things about this show I think Yeah, yeah,
yeah, I will say that the voice cast was was
pretty spectacular The show itself though not
so much Getting into the actual show here for
season one. The first season begins with Dr.
Robert Bruce Banner, already established as the
Hulk and on the run, captured by the military
after another attempt at ridding himself of the
beast within goes awry. He eventually escapes
and falls into the hands of the leader. This
version of him is very much like the convicts,
except is served by Gargoyle and the Gamma Warriors,
such as abomination he created from Hulk's DNA.
but the intervention of mutated cave -dwelling
Gamma creatures Banner's loyal friend Rick Jones
and all of his life Betty Ross like in many comic
book incarnations Betty along with Doc Sampson
is seen here trying to find a cure for Bruce
Banner who becomes the Hulk whenever enraged.
My problem with this series and with the changing
between Banner and the Hulk is you flick the
guy on the finger he'll rage out that's I think
that's really where my issues with this series
come from it's like like just throw a soda can
at him and he'll Hulk out on you and kill you
that's that's my real like it takes so far as
I've seen it's supposed to take the you know
the Hulk a lot I mean it's supposed to like be
something really really major to get him to Hulk
out in this series oh no you throw a soda cap
at him and he's pissed It's not quite that bad.
I mean it's it is it's Can I finish? It's not
always that bad. I mean several episodes Yeah,
it's you a fly buzzes him and he's like, you
know, he hulks out But I mean you think about
he's on the run He's got the pretty much the
entire might of the US military coming down on
him He's got some asshole with a giant cauliflower
or broccoli head. It's I want your DNA and if
that isn't creepy enough as it is but no a lot
of times you know it does take him a while sometimes
it takes them a while to build up to it sometimes
it doesn't I mean usually for the benefits of
dramatic pacing in an animated series I mean
I just like I said the first season we'll talk
about the second the first season is the best
part about this show overall because Because
of the storyline which was really dark not really
dark, but it was for an animated series. It was
fairly dark. I mean Gargoyles was lighter in
comparison Gargoyles had some fairly dark and
pretty mature stuff in it Right for a comic book
series or cartoon series, but this is kind of
perfectly captures a lot of the elements that
fans like myself of the comic books love is You
have to boil it down Bruce Bruce Banner is nuked
by his own gamma bomb in this case a gamma reactor
Which is the size of a shopping mall? He gets
irradiated saving Rick Jones he hulks out he
goes on the run from his girlfriend's dad and
He helps people along the way like in the live
-action show which That's basically when you
boil it down. I mean he did have Really goofy
episodes here and there I'm not gonna lie but
they had the like the the Iron Man crossover
episode was great, you know, cuz at heart it
goes back to the to the Iron Man episode where
the Hulk gets hurt and If you didn't know this
already the Hulk in that episode and Bruce Banner
were both voiced by Hellboy Yeah, oh god Ron
Perlman yes Just wanted to test you there, Mike.
But yeah, no, they had stuff that they went back
to the Iron Man show with that episode. They
had stuff like the episode Man to Man, Beast
to Beast with Walter Langowski slash Sasquatch
and the Wendigo, which is one of the first villainous
characters the Hulk ever tussled with. And I
really, like I said, this first season they had
a lot of stuff like they had the She -Hulk episode.
They had, you know, technically it was a three
-parter at the end of the series where, like
I spoke of it earlier, where they got to separate
Bruce Banner from the Hulk and then they find
out that it's not such a good idea. And this
is the thing, this is where I'm going to go into
the second season a little bit. The only episode
of the second season you should watch is the
first episode. Because the second season, like
we spoke of earlier, UPN's like, hey, we've got
to get girls watching this show. Let's put his
cousin in there full time. You want to get Zane
back? No, let's get Chris Summer. She does good
work. Yeah, I can't even make it through the
first season. Like I said, I got nine and a half.
I'm in the middle of episode 10. And I just,
I just can't. It's torture for me watching this
show. It just is. I just really recommend it.
In season two, there's no chance I will ever
watch season two. All I'm saying is, Mike, is
finish out the first season, watch Hulk of a
Different Color, which is the first episode of
the second season. Yeah, this is, the goofiness
is even more in full effect in that episode.
It's really the only one that matters, because
I'm going to go... Okay, I'm gonna take a deep
breath here because the way they end this series
in the last episode of second this season two
mm -hmm You know how they end it It ends with
Hulk and she Hulk riding off into the sunset
on the back of friggin dolphins I Can't believe
that the second season won an Emmy Award for
best audio editing for the work on the episode
of the lost village God Alright, so second season
won an Emmy the first season didn't get shit.
Yeah, that's what it says season two won the
Emmy. Oh Alright, so season one versus season
two. The first season was exceptionally dark
and storytelling with endings either bittersweet
or downbeat with a few noticeable exceptions.
Those exceptions came in the form of the episode
doomed to where the end gen embraces and jokes
about her new state and the fantastic fortitude
where it ends with the honeymooners referenced
by the thing. The darker tone however was reflected
in situations like demonic supernatural motorcyclist
ghost rider who appeared in the episode innocent
and blood, still a relatively popular character
on the comic book stands at the time. After Glenn
Talbot met the Ghost Rider, he used a penance
stare to his more than likely to be the Daniel
Ketch version. He reflected his own bad side
and became more serious and selfless. A lighter
tone was introduced during the second season,
reportedly at the request of the network UPN.
Doc Simpson was nowhere to be seen and Rick Jones
gradually vanished as did the gamma cave dwellers
Betty Ross even became less of an important character
the leader series most prominent adversary made
his final appearance alongside the gargoyle during
Fashion Warriors in which Betty and Jennifer
Walters lead a group of female scientists clad
in bathing suits to battle the leaders gamma
mutant warriors The second season is regarded
by many fans as inferior to the first season
following these changes the series popularity
dropped and was eventually cancelled following
the series cancellation character return to animation
the ultimate avengers series of directed dvd
movies both hulk and she'll guest -starred in
episodes of fantastic four world's greatest heroes
of god will get to that uh... he will also later
appear in wolverine the x -men with rick in the
iron man armor adventures uh... and and with
rick in the arman armored adventures is also
one of the main characters in avengers earth's
mightiest heroes the one thing they left out
of here is he was also hulk a retarded version
of Hulk was in the Superhero Squad show. And
I gotta say, I know JT's gonna kill me for this,
but my two favorite versions of the Hulk in the
last decade are the Superhero Squad cartoon version
and the Avengers movie version with Mark Ruffalo.
I wouldn't kill you for that, Mike, but Hulk
was one of my favorite characters on Superhero
Squad. Oh, iPhone ring! Ring, I love that one.
Ring. Ring. No, Hulk was one of my favorites
because, I mean, they, and it's really the only
way that you could make the Incredible Hulk as
much if not more of a destructive force without
making him like a ravening beast. Right. And
he wasn't retarded, he was handicapable. Yes.
But no, I mean the if I would my favorite Hulk
is you know, the 96 series followed by superhero
squad followed by Avengers Yeah, and I mean like
I'm like that's why I said in the last ten years.
I'm not count like I grew up watching What's
his name a bill Bixby show? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
I I grew up watching the bill Bixby Lou Ferrigno
show so I like that because that's TV as far
as the animation goes it's superhero squad and
then for the live -action it's it's the Avengers
for me so yeah moving on to the the music segment
oh my god What the hell was that theme song?
Did it change? Because I haven't seen season
two. Did it change at all between season one
and season two? No, it was pretty much the same
theme song, you know, with like the Incredible
Hulk, you know, chant like that. Yeah, some orchestration.
The only thing that changed with the theme song
between the two seasons was they added in, you
know, clips of She -Hulk from the first two episodes
that she appeared in season one. And then it
was the Incredible Hulk and She -Hulk. You know
that this is one of the worst theme songs I've
ever heard I Wouldn't say it's not one of the
best. I don't hate it But then again, I kind
of have a bit of a love affair with this show
so I'm slightly biased I did like the intro like
the video where you see Kind of like a dream
sequence of banner and the Hulk you know he's
on it Picnic with Betty and then there's an earthquake
and they're all standing on a giant star No,
I mean the the opening animation for the theme
song is fine, but the theme song itself sucks
I'm sorry it does they could have done better,
but I I kind of dug it I mean at least for like
I said for the first season it was pretty I Say
it was reflective of you know everything that's
kind of dark kind of foreboding Right so you
can kind of run with it I guess. Moving into
the legacy segment's reruns and DVD releases,
the show was briefly aired on ABC Family following
the release of the live action movie in 2003,
as well as a DVD release. The show also aired
on Toon Disney as part of their primetime block,
JetX. The show also became the last program to
air on Toon Disney. The series currently airs
on Disney XD. An episode of the show was released
on DVD with issue 17 of JetX Magazine. Really,
honestly, you don't need the DVDs because the
DVDs are all region 2 shit. All 21 episodes are
currently available for streaming on Netflix,
so there you go. We are going to take a quick
break and we'll come back to close the show after
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Hulk Well, one thing I want to mention is it
didn't get a toy line at all You know, I would
like to finish a thought before you're like,
good God, yes, it's a good thing they didn't
get toys. I wanted like, for the longest time,
I wanted to have at least one Incredible Hulk
toy. I mean, I have like a 10 inch tall of the
Marvel Select figures that are out now, which
is awesome because it's the Savage Green Hulk,
which is my favorite. But I mean, I would have
loved to have seen, you know, some. Kenner or
Mattel or whoever was doing the toy lines for
animated series at the time I would have loved
to have seen a toy line of At least maybe the
core cast of characters and villains from this
which would have been great But no overall like
I said multiple times. I love this cartoon. You
know first season and first episode of the second
The rest of the second episode the second season
can take a flying leap Go ahead I was just saying
like I love I guess I love so much about the
fact that they brought back Lou Ferrigno as the
Hulk is awesome They had a really good voice
cast You know they it was dark I mean I was only
16 years old at the time when this came out and
I dug the dark in the stories like the fact that
It wasn't like an episode of spider -man and
iron man where you know they saved the day and
you know go off into the sunset the Hulk You
know, it's kind he's always been kind of a tragic
figure and I really dug that they actually got
that part of the Hulk in the cartoon Yeah, so
I would definitely like I said definitely recommend
watching the first season in the first episode
of the second if You guys want to check it out.
So, you know, there you go If you want to lose
a bunch of brain cells, you can watch this series
I don't want to lose any more than I've already
lost and everything else that I've had to watch
but uh... i would say at least watch to the point
where where jennifer walters comes in kids that's
hard but uh... that's not like for you like yeah
yeah that's that's where i take my cutoff right
there is like okay she's introduced that's awesome
and as much as i wanted to watch to see you know
you know what they should have done they should
have got to the point where they introduced her,
wrapped up the season, gave her her own series,
or porno, whatever, and just gone that way. That
would have been even better. Yeah. All right.
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