Walter Lantz and Ub Iwerks

Beyond good, beyond evil, beyond your wildest

imagination. Hello and welcome to Tooncast Beyond's

Animation Directions Spotlight. I am one of your

hosts, TFJ1Mike, and this is the eighth overall

episode within this spotlight. It would have

been, uh... eight in the next week nine actually

will still be that way but we are combining people

because apparently there's not enough to talk

about the two of them in two different episodes

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could pull off a good woody. Oh, that came out

so wrong. Yep. I'm gonna isolate that one and

keep that for the record. Oh my god. Well, I

cannot believe I just said that. Holy crap. Oh

man. Alright, so... Originally episode seven

and eight in this 12 episode spotlight we're

going to be episode seven was going to be Walter

Lance episode eight was going to be of I works

and We are combining them into just episode seven

So basically we're removing one episode instead

of 12 overall podcasts for the spotlight will

be 11 Next time around we'll be talking about

William Hannah and Joseph Barbera, but for now

Walter Lantz and Ub Iwerks, and every time I

see Ub's last name, I wanna Apple, I wanna Apple

spell it with a lowercase i and a largercase

w. Damn you, Steve Jobs. Why don't you take it

away? Well, I guess we're starting with Walter

Lantz. Yep. I don't... I'm just sitting here

with the Wikipedia page open so I don't really

know a lot about him except that he was the creator

Woody Woodpecker and that's what he's primarily

known for. He was working at Universal around

the time that Walt Disney was there and when

Disney left he took over Oswald the Lucky Rabbit

and he created... The panda character. I'm Andy

Panda. I keep there's like another panda character.

I didn't want to get it mixed up, but Andy Panda

he created I Guess he created Woody based on

based on his honeymoon. He was there was a woodpecker

knocking on the on the roof or something and

he was getting he was going to shoot the woodpecker

and his wife says no no no why don't you make

a cartoon out of the character and so that's

what happened and as uh as has been pointed out

by many other people that woody woodpecker is

basically just he's bugs bunny he's daffy duck

he's every other he's every other screwy character

that ever existed and wouldn't you know it one

of his uh one of his primary writers was uh bugs

ben hardaway who is also one of the creators

and has the name that became the impetus for

Bugs Bunny. I'm sorry, Woody Woodpecker is kind

of interesting because the Walter Lance studio

is kind of like a weird cross section of Disney

and Warner Brothers studio at the time because

you have a lot of the same people. Like I said,

you had Bugs Hardaway, you had Carl Stalling

on music, and then you had Walter Lance himself

who worked with Walt Disney and started out as

a director and ultimately moved toward being

producer and let other people take over. So again,

we have another one of these guys who is not

really known for being a director. It's like

Walt Disney, Walter Lance. What is it with waltz?

Woody Woodpecker went through a number of different

eras. I think my favorite era is the one that

we primarily watched, which was the... Oh man,

I already lost the guy's name. The director of...

Dick Lundy the dick Lundy era is probably the

best one. It's like the most Disney fight and

it's the most It's got like the most clean animation

Although the earlier ones are very funny too

back when he was like really really messed up.

He was just this He was he was basically early

Bugs Bunny. Yeah, I mean the thing with Woody

Woodpecker is that He was in the beginning like

they didn't have like it It's kind of like perfecting

a sculpture over time Like with Bugs Bunny in

the in Bugs Bunny's beginnings he wasn't what

we know him to be like the classic Bugs look

and Neither was Woody in the beginning. He Was

really really out there. I I almost want to say

clamp it. I I know it's not but it just the one

short you sent me that was um... early early

woody where he's in the tree and everybody's

saying he's a screwball and whatever he looks

like he's on some sort of bob clamp it drug dream

or something or other it just it's not the woody

I know and love the the voice is there obviously

but the the actual character design is ju - it

looks like somebody strung him out off heroin

really really does i kinda like that he's just

he's just he was just really mean and that kind

of made him funny you're like you're crazy and

uh and that's another thing he and bugs share

because bugs was really mean in the beginning

oh yeah bugs was just cruel and they even share

the laugh which i sent you yeah Bugs only did

that once. And when Mel went over to Walter Lance's

studio to do the first two Woody Woodpecker cartoons,

he took the laugh with them. And ultimately,

ironically, it was a Mel blank laugh, but Woody

ended up inheriting it. Like the one character

that most of his career he did not voice is the

one that has that signature laugh. And I even,

I sent, Ben, I sent Mike a few different sound

clips and you'll hear the slowed down Woody Woodpecker

laugh and it is clearly Mel Blank. You ass. Now

I want to force you to listen to that Semper

interview. Can't make me. So we're kind of talking

about About Walter Lance here, but kind of not

really because I really again We have another

one of these guys where I really don't know what

to say about his directing Talents because I

don't really there's not really not enough of

it to really say anything except to just kind

of comment on like what Woody is and Mean he

did a lot of really cool woody stuff even even

just as a producer. I mean, okay Yeah, sure.

The spotlight is called animation direction and

our my original idea for it was people like Tex

Avery Bob Clampett Bob McKimson Obviously, we're

gonna get to Chuck Jones and and and Hannah and

Barbara, but I mean Lance was He pioneered an

entire characters franchise for the longest time

Mm -hmm Doesn't he's still behind the scenes.

I mean, it's not like it was his voice as What

he you know, but it was his wife for a while.

Oh, was it really? Yeah, it was his wife It was

also Ben Hardaway also did the voice for a long

time about eight years Yeah, as long as he was

in charge of the studio the quality of the cartoons

were pretty good Later on, Paul J. Smith took

over, and those are the ones from the 60s where

it's definitely on the cheap. The characters

will be walking, and you only see them from the

waist up, and their idea of making the characters

look like they're walking is to just bob to sell

up and down. What is this, Flash? Terrible, terrible

Woody Woodpecker cartoons made in the 60s. I

don't know of... You look at this this era of

animation from Let's say the 20s to to the Let's

say 50s just to be safe. You look at that 30

years of animation That 30 years is amazing.

You hit 1916 and all goes wobbly It's like it's

like the top of the screen caving in on Daffy's

little wooden plank he puts up there when obviously

the animator in Duckamuck is screwing with him.

And animation in the 60s was really weird. Well,

it was like people forgot how to make cartoons

because from like the 30s into the 40s, the way

cartoons evolved was just like Really fast. I

mean you went from these really simple Musical

cartoons to the the tech saveries and the Bob

Clampets where they're they're like totally messing

with the timing and being really abstract and

just Being balls to the walls like we can do

anything because this is because we're not dealing

with real life here whereas you know from like

the 40s into the 50s it was still quality animation

but it kind of stagnated it was like there's

like this plateau of quality and then it dipped

into the 60s and I think part of that also is

just that cartoons came to TV and there was uh

people weren't going to the theater as much so

you know really wasn't the budget there to make

cartoons so that's that's also why the Woody

Woodpecker cartoons went down in quality so I

can't believe it all on Paul J. Smith but his

cartoons were His woody's were kinda bad. Now

you pulled one. Bad woody. Oh man, the pecker

puns just keep flowing ladies and gentlemen.

Well we knew that was gonna come. Talk about

a sticky situation. Oh no. Do you have a favorite

Woody Woodpecker cartoon overall? I'd have to

really think about that because it's been years

since I've seen the full archive of them because

they just don't run them in syndication anymore.

Probably one of the ones that I liked was the

one I sent you where it's like winter comes and

he has to And he's starving and there's like

all these funny gags in it like the title card

says something like Death is staring in the face

and it shoots a shot to Woody where he's like

at the table and there's this ghost apparition

of death just kind of staring him down. And there's

a cat comes to the door and like the cat wants

to eat the woodpecker but like Woody also wants

to eat the cat. There's a joke about the pussies

that I wanna make there, but I'm not going to.

But anyway, a moose comes to the door for some

reason. And they, really dark, they chase after

the moose and they eat the moose. And then they're,

yeah, so. That's another thing is these, the

Woody Woodpecker cartoons are, I don't wanna

say that they're strangely dark, but there's

something, off about them. There's gags in them

that I don't even notice in Warner Bros. cartoons.

I swear, every single cartoon that I watched

today, someone was smoking. That's not a dark

thing, but that is a thing that you don't see

in cartoons anymore. That's like if Johnny Bravo

today lit up a joint or something. I don't know.

You mean he didn't already? Well, I think the

people behind the scenes did. Yeah, it's like

because Woody Woodpecker has like fallen out

of out of the public limelight so a lot of his

cartoons aren't as censored as the Looney Tunes

so what we have is we have on YouTube and all

over the internet is basically uncensored Woody

Woodpecker cartoons that are you know kind of

kind of stand out because of that. Don't know

why they don't release a DVD of these classic

cartoons probably because they are uncensored

and they'd have to go back and Well, they don't

have to censor them they could just say hey,

you know, these are these are not for kids, you

know, they're all good Reminds me of and we'll

talk about this when we talk about Mel and when

we talk about Chuck Jones But it reminds me of

the Looney Tunes golden collection DVD sets volume

three um he put the first disc in lo and behold

whoopee goldberg shows up and says exactly what

you're saying like you know these were you know

cartoons made for adults and you know back then

we didn't look at the humor the same way we do

now but i'm like oh my god seriously whoopee

goldberg and a psa for looney tunes yeah Whoopi

Goldberg. Nothing against her, but she is kind

of a killjoy. She's not the kind of person I

would associate with Warner Brothers cartoons.

You know, as I was going through this, I was

going through Walter's IMDB, and between producing

and directing, I had mentioned this to you off

air, his very first short was something in 1918

as a director. Between 1918 and 19... Let me

see here. Is it 18 or... Let's see. Yeah. Between

1918 and 1929... 1929 is when he switched over

to being a producer. 1918 to 1982 when he kind

of pretty much stopped and retired. 64 -something

years in animation. That's crazy. for both hats.

That's longevity, ladies and gentlemen. You don't

get that kind of job security nowadays in cartoons.

You just don't. I mean, I think the only people

who have him beat are obviously Will Hannah and

Joe Barbera. Well, yeah, yeah. Them and... Possibly

Chuck Jones, but Chuck Jones was in and out of

retirement. Yeah, and I mean You really can't

count this, but I'm still gonna count it anyway.

I mean Mel I mean Mel's been in was in it for

the longest time mm -hmm I think Mel by far is

the longest one out of everybody even though

He's a voice actor and not you know director

producer. Whatever is still He's the guy that

You know crafted The sounds and you know put

put the jokes that were on paper to good use

With all the characters he ever did But we'll

have a full episode on Mel Let's take a quick

break. We're going to transition into up I works.

I hope I said his name, right? I don't know the

both sound weird It's a weird name So we'll be

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now time for Mr. Ioworks. Still a very weird

name. Yes. He was a two -time Academy Award -winning

American animator, cartoonist, character designer,

inventor, and special effects technician who

co -created Oswald the Lucky Rabbit and Mickey

Mouse with Walt Disney. Oh, man. He's got an

interesting career. Yes. Why is it that you suggested

him for this spotlight? Because of something

that you suggested because he's he's like an

animators animator. He's not really known to

like to like the casual fan but like you ask

any animator like who is your who's one of your

inspirations and they will mention who by works

and in a way I can kind of see that because I

I didn't realize until recently that he didn't

do all of his work at Disney. He worked at other

studios as well. If you look at what he did,

that's really advanced animation for the 30s.

Yeah, it is. He has a really interesting, almost

3D -esque quality to his animation. Obviously,

it's not 3D. They didn't have CG back then. It

looked like the characters that he created filled

space like you could turn them around whereas

like, you know Fred Flintstone You got to admit

that you know that that character design only

works in two dimensions You can't you you have

to kind of cheat to turn his head Whereas like

the ui works characters. They look like they

are They look like they have like they have volume

to them which is a quality that I also I think

I attributed that to To Bob clamp it as well

And Chuck Jones also has that quality. I can't

say that I enjoyed the cartoons that I watched

because they are 1930s cartoons and they kind

of suffer from the we don't understand this medium

just yet. Honestly, other than Steamboat Willie...

The cartoons he was doing were just out there

I Mean they really were they be I mean he really

doesn't have like he didn't do any work with

any of the classic cartoon characters We know

yeah didn't do anything with Woody Woodpecker

didn't do anything with bugs Daffy any of them

didn't do anything with pink panther Or any of

his side characters, you know This was a guy

who was creating cartoons that were I mean I

Guess I don't want to say it the way it's gonna

come out. He was creating original cartoons But

I mean, let's be honest all of these characters

when they started were original I mean, you know,

there was nothing before the golden age of animation,

but his cartoons are kind of like tech demo cartoon

is like look at this really interesting stuff

that we're doing and wow how the hell are we

even doing this and oh by the way there's no

plot but there's you know he did he did some

work at like the major studios he did a couple

of the porcupine cartoons i mean you don't you

don't remember them because they were also the

one with gabby goat and who likes gabby goat

and i mean seriously that character but anyway

um Yeah, his his cartoons. He's a really really

good animator for the for the 30s. He's a really

good animator for today Let's let's just say

that. I mean you don't see animation like this

today Just what was it like balloon land or something?

I don't I don't yeah I'm looking at this. I'm

like, wow, this is really interesting and how

they animated it It's like I don't know what's

going on Just very very strange And it's, yeah,

like I said, this is from the era of, like, we

don't understand this medium, so it's a lot of,

like, we sync these cartoons up to music, and

these aren't really jokes that are going on,

except for, like, the occasional, you know, skeleton

that, like, does the xylophone thing on the ribs

or something like that. Yeah, he's... But you

got to give this guy a technical credit, just

because... If it were not for this guy, early

Disney would have been completely different.

Mm -hmm. Yeah, no, I mean, I'm not discounting

his work. I'm just saying that his work is like...

I mean, I expected him to do, like I had already

mentioned, stuff on bugs and all them and have

his own directing style for that, which obviously

we know he didn't do. And then I watched a lot

of these and I'm like, okay, outside of the Steamboat

Willie cartoon, which we all know is Mickey Mouse's

origin, there's no real character. He didn't

try to come up with a character. yeah and have

whomever whether it was no blank whether it was

whoever it was back then put a voice that care

like he didn't try to come up with one care one

or two characters like he just came up with all

of these characters that are pretty much non

-descript no -name characters the cartoons were

funny they didn't like offend me or anything

else is wonderful uh... you know the animation

is wonderful the gags are Are right. I mean like

they're funny, but again, it was one of those

weird weird kind of gags I'm more so For me personally

as far as my golden age cartoon watching I'm

more into like, you know Tom and Jerry and you

know bugs and and all those looney tunes and

Obviously that a lot of the classic You know

Disney stuff like Mickey Goofy and Donald and

that kind of stuff and these were just like It's

kind of like when you watch a movie and you just

can't get in tune with the the protagonist or

the Antagonist and it's just like it's just there

It's like why did I waste the last two hours

of my life and ten dollars to see this movie?

not saying that iWorks is cartoons are bad. I'm

not saying that at all. It just there was nothing

that I could grasp Yeah while watching them.

Like I said, it's much more tech demo II. It's

like Watching skeleton frolics. I mean, I wasn't

really watching the cartoon for the plot I was

just kind of like looking at like how he's doing

the color and because that cartoon What you normally

see in cartoons, even in the 30s and 40s, is

you see a lot of color like, oh, skies are blue,

grass is green, da -da -da. In this cartoon,

there was a lot of black. It was almost like

a comic book, how you have all this heavy inking

everywhere. It's very unusual. In fact, I can't

think of another director that does that except

for like... The guy who did Fritz the cat need

I'm blanking on his name for some reason and

he's well He's a well -known animator. God damn

if people are gonna send me hate mail He's like

like wizards wizards is like the only other cartoon

that I can really think of that does that and

it was just kind of it's kind of weird to watch

it because of that and He like I said he did

a couple cartoons for for Warner Brothers. He

also did cartoons for MGM, like this one, Flip

the Frog, which is, I guess, their first sound

cartoon. And it has a character that might as

well just be called Plagiarismo the Mouse because,

my god, it's Mickey. And again, it's another

one of these. Hey, let's do a musical cartoon

because, you know, what else is there to do?

Because Bob Clampett didn't have his epiphany

yet Yeah, no and less thing about steamboat Willie

is just it it's Another one that doesn't have

a plot really. It's just like hey Mickey's piloting

a boat and along comes Black Pete and yells at

him for some reason and then they just play a

song for six minutes and Mickey is not the Mickey

we know in this it's just him being cruel to

animals and doing all these weird, admittedly

very funny gags. I'm not complaining about animal

cruelty. I don't think I'm doing that. But my

favorite one is where he grabs his cat by the

tail and he starts swinging it around. I didn't

realize how funny this cartoon was. So, yeah,

that's probably like in terms of humor, that's

probably the best one. Yeah, I was just looking

on his Wikipedia. thing here and apparently um

next year he's they're going to release a film

about him oh interesting it's a walt before mickey

um the like i just this just so weird um walt

before mickey is about walt disney and his early

beginnings and Marceline, Missouri. The story

follows his poor beginnings and eventual move

to Kansas City where he created his first animation

studio, Laugh -O -Gram Studio. There he hired

Rudy Ising, played by David Henry. Oh man, if

that's the... if that's the same... Oh my god,

they got the kid from Wizards of Waverly Place

to play Rudy Ising? That's so wrong. I'm sorry.

That's so wrong. And Up Eye Works played by Armando

Gutierrez to help start his business. Wanted

various minor successes, blah, blah, blah, blah,

blah. Yeah, what's really crazy about this thing

and what's really... Oh my god. The cast in this

is nuts. They've got David Henry, who, as I said,

was, was David, uh, oh, not David, uh, Justin

on Wizards of Waverly Place, which is a Disney

Channel show. And they've got Mr. Rookie of the

Year himself, Thomas Ian Nicholas, as Walt Disney.

What the hell. Wow. Um, Jodie Sweeten, the, the

middle... Tanner Child from Full House is playing

Charlotte Disney. Oh my god. Oh god. I don't

know what to think about this. Should be interesting.

He's kind of unknown and he should... You should

have a little more attention, I think. Yeah.

No, no, no. I'm not saying that. Yeah. I'm not

saying that he shouldn't have more time. I'm

just saying, like, as soon as I saw this on his

page and then clicked on it and looked at it,

I'm like, this is just so weird. Like, Tom Hanks

is a better Walt Disney than Thomas C. and Nicholas.

Yeah. But if you're going to do Walt Disney in

his early 20s, Tom Hanks is not the guy you're

going to gas. No. Cast his son, but not him yeah

The film is based on the book of the same name

Walt before Mickey written by Timothy Susanin

and Diane Disney Miller Walt Disney's daughter

the book was published by the university of mississippi

the original title of the movie was named the

dreamer which was written by arthur l bernstein

and i'm not a good years uh... it looks interesting

it's probably going to be more interesting to

me then the other disney movie that they put

out about mary poppins this year last year where

the hell that was uh... those minutes to the

movie saving mister banks yes thank you And I

don't mean, for the listeners, I don't mean stupid

movie and isn't, oh my god, that movie is so

stupid. I just never had any interest to see

it. I'll be honest, I've never been a fan of

Mary Poppins. Like, once I hit 13, I'm like,

Mary Poppins who? You know? But Walter Lantz...

Oob Iwerks or Ub Iwerks or however you say his

name. They're two... I want to say lesser known

giants in animation, but I don't know if that's

proper. Well, one was almost never known and

the other one, Walter Lance, was known and then

he kind of fell off into the abyss somewhere.

Because Woody Woodpecker is not a cartoon that

we see a lot these days. Nope. It's not on Boomerang.

It's not on Cartoon Network. It's not anywhere.

Yeah. Comcast and Universal's basically hoarding

them for some reason. I don't know why. It's

like, why don't you just sell it to Disney? I

mean, you sold them Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.

Just sell them everything else. Oh, Ralph Bakke,

she was the animator I was thinking of earlier,

which is a pretty good comparison to UBI Works,

I think. They're both really experimental, except

for, you know, UB didn't use a lot of the stock

footage that Ralph Bakke is kind of maligned

for. And, you know, I kind of had this this theory

kind of going off topic here for a sec is that

in In Dragon Ball Z, there's a character called,

oh, there are three characters called Bibbidi,

Bobbidi, and Boo. And of course, we know what

the genesis of that is automatically. But then

there's a point in the cartoon where the character

Evil Boo is reincarnated as a character named

Oob. And I've always wondered, and I'll probably

never get a confirmation if that was a nod to

Oob Eye Works. Could be. It could be. because

you know boo is oop spelled backwards and it's

just kind of a weird coincidence that that would

happen so i don't know so next time around here

in the animation direction spotlight we're gonna

hit uh we're gonna be hitting the big time because

the next time we chat i believe let me see if

i have this correct The next time we are going

to oh yeah next time we're gonna be hitting the

big HB we're gonna be hitting William Hanna and

Joseph Barbera so that's a lot of ground to cover

there oh yeah Oh man, do you have, if you could

narrow it down, and I know I'm throwing you under

the bus here, if you could narrow it down, what

is your favorite Hanna Barbera character? One

favorite character out of all of them. Oh. That's

a tough one. I don't know if it's, I don't know

if it is Yogi Bear, but it's probably gonna be

in that era. Because I love the 60s Hanna Barbera

character so much. I know people hate them. But

I actually love them. I love the Flintstones.

I love the early Jetsons. For me, I don't want

to cheat, but I'm going to. Augie doggy and doggy

daddy. That's not cheating. I love those characters.

Son of mine. Yeah. Oh, man. All right, well that's

gonna do it for us here on Tooncast Beyond's

Animation Direction Spotlight. What have you

got coming up on Animation Aficionados to see

and anything else you're working on? Animation

Aficionados, we have Attack on Titan. We have

an episode recorded but not edited in any way.

So that might be a couple weeks yet. We have

another episode coming up on the anime fairy

tale, which is a very adorable anime that I have

not watched yet. So I'm gonna watch like... I'm

going to cruise through about like six or seven

episodes and just give it a synopsis off of that.

And on Decian, I have the Decian Holiday Special

running right now, which is I'm going to say

it's going to be almost every day in December

and almost every day in January and possibly

part of February because it's so it's it's getting

it's getting huge because I've got like Somehow

I was lucky enough that a couple people came

forward and like hey, I'd like to submit a couple

of cartoons I'm like, okay and some guy came

up with like a 30 page comic. I'm like, all right

So yeah, there is a there's a Christmas episode

that's gonna be part of that and that's going

to be like in the month of December and then

like It's just gonna keep going after that. So

a lot of stuff coming It's Christmas all year

long It's gonna be or I guess I guess the holiday

special is also going to encompass Groundhog

Day But there will not be a Groundhog Day special

so Come on we'll just see the sea and fighting

pucks a tawny Phil. That would be amazing. I

Know I could do I could do an episode It's kind

of like that just where she keeps living that

we're living the same day over and over that

would be kind of funny, but Or or she keeps reliving

the same day over and over and over again remarrying

Bill Murray every single time. Oh, no Or she

until she realizes that she loves another character,

but I'm not going to well you could probably

guess out there if you got it That's funny. That's

so funny. Alright, that's gonna do it for us

this time around. Lately, the episodes have been

a little infrequent. We've had them produced.

I just haven't edited them. The latest one that

went up was Bill Melendez, which this one will

go up this coming Wednesday, the 10th of December

still. It's just... I've been running into a

lot of crap with my personal life and it just...

On top of that, I don't exactly have a most comfortable

chair to sit in to record and edit and whatever

else, so my days of sitting here at the computer

like six, seven hours straight, not happening.

But this will be out and then we'll do Hannah

Barbera, Mel Blank, and Chuck Jones, so that'll

be kind of your all's Christmas present for this

year. And then next year for Tooncast Beyond,

I mentioned this a couple episodes ago. I'm toying

with changing up how Tooncast Beyond is brought

to you people. Right now, we're in the season

format where we pick a certain genre, say, Pixar

films or, well, you heard Neil and I and a lot

of other people, uh, uh, sketch 1984 and stuff

in the DreamWorks spotlight. I tell you, that

DreamWorks spotlight nearly killed me. That's

why we didn't have a hell of a lot of Tooncast

Beyond episodes between then and what we're doing

now with the animation direction. I was... fucking

Katzenberg just killed me on some of those horrible

DreamWorks movies. So I'm trying to figure out

a way to... I think I might put Tooncast Beyond

in more of a grab bag kind of thing where you

would still get a weekly episode. But it would

be a various cartoon series or animated film

or that kind of thing. I do know we are going

to be doing the gargoyles episode. And when I

say we, I don't know if it's going to be you

on it or not, or if it's going to be somebody.

I just, we in general. I'm toying with the notion,

because it's the only anime that's in English

that I know. And I know you're going to cringe

at this. I'm toying with the notion of doing

a Yu -Gi -Oh episode. Oh my god. I give you so

many recommendations, you go with QEO. I mean,

I at least give you the one that have the hot

girls in them. Well, mine is fairly hot. Yeah.

For the most part. Space bikinis. Dirty pair

of space bikinis. Is it in English? Some of it

is. If it's not 95 % English, then... Well, it's...

It's not like it's not like it's like a continuous

story. I mean we're talking like Movies and a

couple episodes that are in English and then

like the rest of us Oh, you're not gonna be missing

anything by not seeing all Yeah, well, I mean

like to cast and to to cast classic and to guess

beyond I never because anime just isn't my thing

in general overall I have nothing against it

as I've said many times before in my six seven

years of podcasting like The whole point of this

show is kind of like classic cartoons. I know

Yu -Gi -Oh! technically isn't really classic,

but as the years go by and anniversaries come,

I mean, that damn show is 20 years old now. Oh

my God, I want to barf. And honestly, it's the

only. outside of the actual Magic the Gathering.

It's the only card game that I would ever actually

play if I was into that card game stuff, because

I can't get into the Pokemon stuff. No. I just

can't. So all right, folks, email me tfguandmikeatgmail

.com. Let me know if you as a listener want us

to continue on the season path, which season

three I think is going to be Disney films. I'm

not exactly sure, but that's what we used to

have on the schedule, or if you want it to become

a more of a grab bag kind of thing, like you

never know what you're gonna get for a skump

kind of thing, where you get a new episode, different

episode every week. So let me know, tfdwinmikeatgmail

.com, put in the subject line, tune cast beyond

future. So there you go. Keep watching those

cartoons, and we will catch you next time.