The Columbo Files – S3 E4 – Double Exposure!

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we put our detective hats on, our trench coats

on, and all that good stuff. Jump back into Columbo

with the Columbo files here inside Studio 2009.

As always, starting at the beginning, going forward

in time in continuity order. We are watching

these, or I'm watching these on Tubi TV. Dave

is watching these on DVD. Yes. So there's that.

He's not happy with his season three DVD set.

The season threes are not good. Uh -huh, yeah.

They must have switched companies or something.

Well, and I noticed when I first started watching

them, they've got the little NBC mystery movie

logo on the thing, which none of the others have.

Yes. Oh, that's weird. It's weird. Today is season

three, episode four, and we are witnessing some

double exposure. Dun, dun, dun. Oh, boy. What

an episode. Robert Culp's back. Man, oh, man.

You know, every TV protagonist, I'll use the

term protagonist, but hero, every TV hero, every

cartoon hero, every movie hero always has the

nemesis or the antagonist or the villain or the

whatever. Man, it doesn't matter what character

Robert Culp is playing. That guy. is one of the

greatest classic actors I've ever seen as a villain.

He's good in the role, yeah. He's amazing. I

love him. Oh, man. I wish he got to do more.

Wait until you get to Patrick Radun. As much

as I love him, that fake voice was the worst,

though. oh yeah that was pretty pathetic yeah

that was pretty bad and that was funny like like

it was just so funny because he was like trying

to get the wife all stirred up and she's like

whatever leave me alone yeah she didn't give

two rips yeah she's like why are you calling

me what do you want what are you doing yeah she

didn't give two rips Hello, Mrs. Norris. You

don't know me, but I think we should talk. Who

is this? Let's just say that I am a friend of

Tanya Baker, which is the subject about which

I'm calling. I don't know any Tanya. Yes, I know

you don't, Mrs. Norris, but your husband does.

You see, Tanya's my girlfriend, and Mr. Norris

is your husband, and I wish there was a nice

way to put it, but there isn't. They're having

an affair, and that's that. That is absurd. It

is, huh? Well, that's funny, because I've got

the proof right here in front of me. Oh, boy.

All right. Double exposure. This one is Dr. Bart

Keppel, played by Robert Culp, is a motivation

research specialist. Huh? Yeah, that's a thing.

Well, that is one of the running themes of the

episode is that Columbo keeps trying to figure

out what in the hell Kepler actually does. Yeah.

Yeah. I was trying to figure that out myself.

Like, is he in advertising? Is he in this? Is

he in that? It feels like advertising, but he's

pretty adamant that that's not what he does.

It is like a weird nebulous marketing and research.

It's pretty fuzzy. It's very fuzzy. So the way

it's described here in the lovely Wikipedia article

is he's a motivation research specialist at Impulse

Research Labs who has become an expert practitioner

of subliminal advertising, which involves inserting

frames of advertised product into reels of a

film. I was going to say, back in the 70s and

80s, this was a bigger thing than I think it

is today. Everyone was worried about it. There

was the book Subliminal Seduction, which had

the naked lady on the ice cube. And then there

was a movie, famously, They Live, of course,

is a big one about subliminal images advertising.

But there was another one before that called

Looker, which was about... It's weird because

I get confused with another movie, and it turns

out they're the same movie. There's subliminal

advertising, and then there's holographic models.

They would make 3D maps of the models and use

them as holograms, which is also a weirdly prescient

thing these days of using AI -generated images

of people. But yeah, it was definitely when I

was a kid, particularly a young preteen and stuff,

it was like subliminal advertising is going to

get you. They're just, they're, they're, they're

manipulating you with these images that you can't

see, but your mind sees it and you don't realize.

And it was, it was a bigger deal back in the

day than it feels like it is now. Like now it's

like, yeah, whatever. Yeah. It's crazy. So crazy.

Yeah. It was, it was very, very weird. Um, and

yeah, so basically he, He basically plays the

same character. He kind of is. He's a very efficient,

controlling old jerk. Oh, wait. He was... This

is his third one, isn't it? I'm getting it confused

with the football one, too. Yeah. I'm not getting

it confused, but that's the one I remember. He

was the blackmailer in that other one, wasn't

he? Yeah. So, yeah, Mr. Kennecutt, he blackmailed

Mr. Kennecutt, and then he was in the football

one. I mean, he was kind of blackmailing the

victim this time, but he was blackmailing him

to continue using the guy's services. Yeah. And

the guy didn't do it. He basically killed him.

Yeah. And this is, yeah, so this is Robert Culp's

third of four appearances. So... Okay. We got

Investigator Brimmer was the first in Death Lens

of Hand. Most Crucial Game, Paul Hanlon, Bart

Keppel in this. And then all the way down the

line in 1990. The ABC series, yeah. Columbo goes

to college. He plays Jordan Rowe. So we got Robert

Culp in one more after this. Okay, so Culp ties

McGowan, because McGowan's in three NBCs and

he's in one ABC. Oh, cool. So far. That's good.

Very cool. But yeah, no, this was so much more

fun than the last episode we did. As far as,

like, the sheer enjoyment of actually watching

a Columbo episode. Because no politics. Yay!

No campaign trail. No voting. Oh, boy. Let's

see. I thought the salty caviar was going to

come into more play. It kind of did. No, it did.

But I thought that... Like, instead of, what's

the guy's name? Norris. Vic Norris is the guy

that he's trying to kill. So I thought that he

was going to basically, and folks, when I say

this. I'm saying this as of, you know, December

16th, 1973 terms. So I'm not trying to be sexist

when I say this. I thought he was going to pull

a woman's thing and poison the guy with the caviar.

That's what I thought. I thought the guy was

going to pass out in the hallway from being poisoned,

having food poisoning from caviar versus shooting

him. I mean, but that would be very easy to connect

him back. Well, true. Obviously. Yeah. But sort

of the shooting, too. Well, no. Actually, that

was – I mean even Columbo admits that was clever

because he had these guns up – he has these .45s

up on the wall. Yeah. But he has a little doohickey

that he can stick in the .45 so it shoots a .22.

Yep. So when they come and they examine his guns,

it's like, well, these aren't the right guns

because I guess that also – I'm a little surprised

that just the little insert got the carbon and

the scoric and the whatever you call it from

shooting a gun. None of that got into the rest

of the gun. Because, you know, ballistics can

tell if you fired a gun because it's got gun

powder and burns and stuff. But, yeah, that all

was in the little thing that he stuck down the

barrel. And it was the wrong caliber. So it was

very clever. So the whole thing is he sets it

up so he's presenting this film that he made

for the guy. What's the guy's name again? Victim.

Vic Norris. Vic Norris. Vic Norris' company.

And he's supposed to be narrating the film on

stage in kind of the shadows. And he's fed him

a bunch of Iranian caviar. And I was like, caviar

from Iran? But apparently Iranian caviar is considered

the best in the world. Because they're on the

Black Sea, the Caspian Sea? I don't know. Caviar,

for those of you who don't know, is fish eggs.

And it's very salty. The trick is, they don't

really... They explain it a little bit later,

but the point is that the caviar is very, very

salty. And he's also turned up the heat in the

auditorium. So that the guy – and he's put in

subliminal images of a cool, refreshing drink

in the film. So that Norris is kind of like,

I'm really thirsty, I'm really thirsty, I'm really

thirsty. So he finally gets up and he goes and

gets some water from the fountain in the hallway.

And Keppel – Like Keppel's speech has been recorded

on a tape player. So he kind of leads his position,

and everyone thinks he's still on stage and shoots

him with the gun. So it's a very elaborate scheme,

but compared to the last one we talked about,

it seems extremely well thought out. Hello? Yeah,

I'm here. I'm listening. Yeah. Yeah, it was very

well thought out compared to the last one. And

yeah, it could either be the Caspian Sea or the

Arabian Sea. No, it's the Caspian, man. Okay.

I didn't realize. I went to an American public

school. I thought Iran was landlocked. I didn't

realize it was on a... I was like, caviar from

Iran? That's crazy! No, it's the other country.

It's the one to the left of Iran that's landlocked.

It's the one where, you know, that insane person,

you know. Oh, well, that narrows it down. No,

no, no. To the left of Iran. Okay, left isn't

a geographical. Oh, God. Fine. He was insane.

Like, you know, in the brain. Fine. I say worse

things on Saddam. Iraq. So you're talking about

Iraq? Yeah, Iraq is the landlocked. That's forbid

now? That's joined Hitler and Germany and Nazi

that we're not allowed to say that anymore? Jesus.

Iraq is the landlocked one. It's got a little

tiny thing that reaches out to the Persian Gulf.

Tiny being the opposite word there. The point

being that apparently Iranian caviar is, in fact,

because I looked that up at the time, I was like,

Iranian caviar is, in fact, considered one of

the best, the best caviar in the world. Yep.

So, points to them for detail. Absolutely. And

for another good movie with caviar in it, just

watch Tomorrow... Yeah, Tomorrow Never Dies.

1997. James Bond. Pierce Brosnan. There you go.

No, the world is not enough. 1999. Anyway, Columbo.

My brain's all over the place today. Yeah, this

one was good. This one was really good. Again,

Columbo in this. Man. His facial features in

some of these season three episodes so far. Man,

what's going on with this guy? Like, he just

seems like, I don't know what his wife is putting

in her cooking, but she's putting something in

her cooking because yikes, dude. Yeah, but we

also established that he does the shopping. That's

true. But just because he does the shopping doesn't

mean that, she can't put the arsenic and old

lace in the cooking. They put that in the tea,

by the way, not the food. Yeah, well, you know,

it is what it is. But yeah, no, absolutely. Absolutely

enjoyed this one. This one was so fun. And like

you already said in the last episode, I already

wrote this down a note. As soon as I heard him

say it, sorry, I took some of your food. I took

some of your caviar. I was working late on that

Hayward case. Yeah. Oh, man. That just warmed.

Because so far, in three seasons, the way I've

always described Columbo is every case is a different

case, even though it's just Columbo. But every

case is a different play. Every case is a different

act. Every case is a different scene. It's not

really like you don't have Brimmer and Hanlon

and Kepler or Keppel. You don't have those three

villains coming together and conspiring like

that would be interesting. But that would never

happen, obviously. So when I saw that, I was

like continuity in Columbo. That's amazing. Yeah.

Do you have it open that you could. Tell who

wrote the two episodes? Yeah, probably. So, you're

talking about... I'm talking about the one that

we just saw. The two that we're talking about

today. Yeah, yeah. I don't know when they're

listening to this, but... So, the story for Candidate

for Crime was done by Larry Cohen. Teleplay...

It's written up differently because it was done

differently. Story by Larry Cohen, teleplay by

Irving Perlberg and Alvin R. Friedman, along

with Roland Kibbe and Dean Hargrove. So Dean

Hargrove did part of the teleplay on Candidate

for Crime. This story, though, the reason why

this is so good. Three initials. SJC. Can you

guess? Stephen J. Cannell. Damn straight. But

there's no continuity there, so that's interesting.

No, yeah. No, but the people, so I'm just like...

Yeah, I thought it was like... You could see

if someone wrote the two episodes, they did a

nod, but that's not the case. Yeah, there's no

continuity between the writers, but... Oh, man.

Yeah. Oh, Stephen J. Connell. I love his work.

So good. He was 69 when he passed in 2010. Man,

I miss that guy. This is the kind of writing

we need in Hollywood now. It'll never happen

again, but this is the kind of writing we need

in Hollywood now because it's actually good.

I don't know that it'll never happen again. I

think that's a little... Man, let me tell you,

with this AI stuff trying to take over, they

want us to not use our brains. Humans might as

well not have brains anymore. type three words

into chat gpt and let it just do what it wants

no thank you i mean at the end of the day i think

people are gonna i mean either either the ai

will get better like get really better or people

just choose people just choose the um the stuff

actually written by humans i mean that's the

inexplicable thing that's going on now is why,

why there isn't a shift or there is the shift

is so slow. It's like, we're going to make the

kind of stuff we're going to make for an audience

that doesn't exist. And okay. Well, curse you

audience for not supporting the thing that we

didn't make for you. Okay. So at the end of the

day, JCPenney was right. Like the customer is

always right. Because not because they're actually

right. Not because they're correct, but because

they have the money. And they can choose to spend

it on other things than your movie or TV show.

True. And, you know, at the end of the day, these

guys are going to I'm surprised they've held

out as long as they have. But so I saw a I was

so when you I don't you're not on Instagram,

right? I don't think you are. OK, I just want

to make sure. So I'm on Instagram. I put photos

on Instagram. Sometimes I put music to those

photos at times, but I pretty much only do photos.

Sometimes I do video, but it's very rarely that

I do video. But I will scroll through Instagram

reels. I will start on somebody that I follow,

like if somebody posts a reel on Instagram, which

is essentially a short -form video. They have

those on Facebook. Yeah, I know. And I will start

scrolling. And I came across something that I

don't follow this person and I don't follow their

whatever. And it was these guys on this podcast

or whatever. And they said something to the effect

of why TikTok became so popular because they

created the for you. feed and they basically

just told you what you're going to watch they

didn't give you a choice they weren't allowing

you to choose your own and my the thing is no

it didn't work because no i want to choose what

i want to okay you put this in the terms that

we all can well i'll put i'll put this in toy

terms Would you rather go into a toy store and

have the toy store employee tell you, you can

buy this toy, that toy, and that toy, or would

you rather go in and actually choose for yourself?

I want to choose for myself. I don't want to

have to be told that I can buy this, this, or

this. That's stupid. So no, TikTok didn't work.

I will never install that Chinese software. Sorry,

not sorry. There are just certain lines that

I will draw on certain things, and back to the

writing thing with Mr. Connell here, I love the

way that he writes stories, whether it's Columbo,

whether it's A -Team, whether it's whatever.

He's a good, he was a good storyteller, and I

wish writing like this would come back. And I

don't think it's going to come back in my lifetime

with AI around, because... AI just makes people

lazy. Anyway. So yeah. Let's see. The tape recorder

Keppel already set in motion a scheme to make

it seem that the crime was committed by Norris'

wife. He tried to set up his... Oh my god. He

tried to set up his client's wife. Man, he kept

beating that drum way after. Yeah, he did. Yeah,

no, I'm not going after her. Yeah, no. No, no,

no. Yeah, that's the thing. Columbo didn't go

after the women in either one of the... in the

last episode or this one. Like, the women were

not the problem. It was the men that were the

problem. Well, Columbo rarely goes after somebody

who's, like, not... I know what you're saying,

but, like, I... It wasn't even an issue in the

last one. This one, she was clearly being set

up, and he figured very quickly that she had

nothing to do with it. And I absolutely love

the way that Columbo, again, Columbo is learning

about the things, and he learns about the subliminal

cuts, and he creates his own. I thought that

was so cool that he used it against her. That

was so good. Absolutely amazing. I particularly

love the very end when Keppel kind of like loses

it. You know, it doesn't feel completely berserk,

but he's giggling and he's laughing. He's like,

I'm the only guy who could have taught you how

to do that to get me. And Clem was like, yes,

sir, you were. Yep. Yep, absolutely. Because

Columbo is not going to start an argument with

a guy that's not necessarily – he was under arrest.

They did say you are under arrest. Officer. But

he wasn't in handcuffs yet, but it was close.

They were about to. I don't think Columbo was

lying. I mean, he got the idea from Keppel's

book. No, absolutely. No, no, no. I know, but

I'm saying, like, the thing about this show is

that the show ends. And we've talked about this

before. It essentially ends like right before

you see them being shackled in the bracelets

or right before they're actually taken out of

the room or put into the police car kind of thing.

So not to say that the criminal is going to,

haha, I'm going to get away from you. Like I'm

going to run and do something stupid. But I think

one of the interesting things about, as I've

talked about, like particularly earlier on when

we started doing this. is the people that Columbo

goes after or is pitted up against are generally,

you know, of a higher rank in society. So while

they have more necessarily resources to do something

like, like, you know, it's not like a common

guy, you know, a kid off the street who, you

know, obviously is going to make a run for it,

you know, whereas this, you know, Keppel, where's

he going to go? You know, what's he going to

do? He's Dr. Keppel. Like they know who he is.

There's no sneaking out on an airplane. There's

no hiding out somewhere. No. And most of these

people wouldn't, like, part of it is their eliteness

won't allow them to lay low in, like, a flop

house or, you know. So there really is no point

in trying to escape. Yeah, very true. And I imagine

some of them, again, it's never brought up and

it's never really dealt with, but some of them,

you know, probably can afford. Again, this predates

the O .J. Simpson thing. what, 20, 30 years?

But they got lawyers. I've always wondered how

many people fought their conviction, fought their

prosecution and won. I do know that one of the

ABC ones that we'll get to someday involves the

whatever you want to call it, rebooter, involves

the wife of one of the people that Columbo put

away. Oh, wow. Very cool. Yeah, that's the rest

in peace, Mrs. Columbo. Oh, yeah. She wants revenge,

so she's going to kill Mrs. Columbo. Boy, that's

crazy. Anything else with double exposure? No,

it was interesting for me because, again, like

I said, it's a sign of the times. As you just

went off on AI and CGP, whatever that thing is.

At the time, it was subliminal advertising that

was going to destroy us all. And now that's kind

of like, eh, whatever. Now it's the AI that's

going to destroy us. You get to be a certain

age, and it's like everything's going to destroy

us all. And you start to develop a certain callous

in your psyche against the doomsday predictions

of everybody. You're a little younger than me,

but we both lived through the possibility of

nuclear war. which, which, you know, and even,

even I felt like in the eighties, it didn't seem

that imminent, but like, um, you're still on

people's minds that, you know, humanity could

just start shooting missiles any minute. Um,

now it's, you know, there's just, there's a new

dooms. You know, now there's a meteor head towards

us. There's always something that's going to

take us down. And it was like, okay, look, just

kill us or get it over with. Like, I'm done freaking

out about every little thing that could possibly

go wrong. Because you can't, there's no way to

live. Yeah, there's no way to live. How dare

we live that way? Oh, boy. Yeah, absolutely.

All right, folks, I think that's going to do

it for us. But first, we do have to rate this

episode. It's easy for me. 4 .5. Wow. Yeah. Enjoyed

this way more. Well, yeah. Than the last one.

You know, this is one that's never been a big

favorite of mine, but I really did enjoy Robert

Culp. So I would probably lean towards a 4. I

also didn't mention there was a second murder,

which gets completely blown over. Yeah. He kills

the Projectionist, which Columbo figures out.

Yeah. The second murders are always weird because

they rarely really factor into it, and it's like,

but you killed another person. That's a whole

separate trial. That's another human life that

you took. Yeah, I would give it a four for Robert

Coppola. As I said in the last one, usually you're

watching for Columbo, but when you have a really

good guest star, it elevates it. Absolutely.

All right, folks, I think that's going to do

it for us. I would recommend this one to people.

We are looking forward to the next one. The next

one is Publish or Perish, written by Peter S.

Fisher. Never heard of that person. It has Jack

Cassidy and John Chandler. along with Mickey

Spillane. Yeah. So that's the next one that we'll

be doing. That's that. We're going to go to a

quick ad break and hear some podcast ads, some

other stuff. We'll come back to close the show

right after this. Corner says that the victim,

Norris, was evidently killed by one shot through

the heart. Small caliber bullet. But he won't

be certain until we have ballistics report tomorrow.

Now, everyone's been searched. We're going through

the building now, looking for the murder weapon.

It is possible to come in through either of two

separate entrances, one at the front of the building

and the service entrance at the rear. Both were

unlocked. You get all that, Lieutenant? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I got every word. Excuse me, I'm a little

hungry. I missed dinner tonight, working late

on that Hayward case. No, he's not bad. Warner's

taking the body away, Lieutenant. All right,

listen, Sergeant, I'll be right there. Um, I'm

a little hungry. I missed dinner tonight, so

I'm just going to grab a few of these canopies.

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before I run through the closing? No, I enjoyed

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