Who Would Win in a Fight?

Hi, this is Kevin Conroy, and you're listening

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of trust. We are all connected in a great circle

of life. You know something, Bert? I think you

and I are going in circles. It feels like we're

going in circles. The circle is now complete.

When I left you, I was but the third. Now I am

the last. Because it's a circle. Yeah, we heard

about the circle. Yes, we're familiar with shapes.

Hi, this is Chuck. This is Greg. And this is

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Michael Buffer. That is Greg Beppler. But your

names do kind of sound alike. Hello everybody!

Let's get ready to fucking podcast! Now that's

gonna catch on like wildfire. For those that

are still listening, the reason I say that is

because today we have a podcast where we're dedicating

to those also classic Who would win in a fight?

You know, you've done it before. You've listened

to them. I think they get the point, Greg. OK,

sorry. We appreciate the enthusiasm for sure.

But, you know, you've had those classic arguments

who would win in a fight your dad or your friend's

dad or who would win in a fight Batman or the

mailman. You know, those classic. Who would win

in a fight? Emilia Clarke or Emily Radojkowski?

We all would win in that fight, Greg. We all

would, yes. No Linda Hamilton, though. No Linda

Hamilton. I've been catching beef for my Linda

Hamilton opinions. Little Hamilton would win

that fight. Anyways, we'll get to more classic

matchups later in the show. But before we get

to all that, how's the week been going for you

guys? Pretty good, actually. Had another busy

week doing stuff, you know, that crappy real

life stuff around the house. I did have a couple

of funny things happen this week and one was

just something, well, they're both really quick

things, but the one was where I work at my office.

Our company has developed an employee's association

that you can join and the employee membership

for some reason costs you $10 to join. Fair enough.

Like, okay, that makes sense. So I thought that

was kind of funny they we have like Clothing

on there with like our logos and stuff like you

get shirts and hats and all this other stuff

and It's like it's pretty expensive to Yeah,

like it's actually fairly expensive, which is

They're bringing back indentured servitude It's

like yeah, you're an employee. We appreciate

you join this employee association and it's like

oh you have to pay ten dollars to get this cool

membership card and All this other crap. So yeah,

that was kind of funny. I got a good chuckle

out of that. Sounds like a ponzi scheme You too

can be a part of this All we need is ten dollars

from you and then we get ten dollars from someone

else. It's like wait It could be worse to join

up with the JLA you have to pay a hundred bucks

to get a membership Well now see now that I think

of it that may not have been an email sanctioned

by my company, so Was it from a Nigerian prince

by any chance? Oh, yeah, do you know I don't

know The name was cake six now And well, the

other thing was in my office that are replacing

some carpeting this week, so they're running

these machines that are like chewing up the carpet

and like tearing it up and everything. Oh, yeah.

And are they are they called carpet munchers?

Because that would be hilarious. Yeah, that's

I was telling the guys that do the do the carpets.

Are the carpets going to match the drapes? No,

oddly, no. They they are. They don't match and

they're both hideous. But so they're ripping

out this carpet and everything. And it's funny

because like some rooms are getting carpet and

like others aren't. But the ones that are getting

it, like all our shit is in the hallways. So

it's like so packed, like if there was a fire,

like people would just pile up into a great big

dam and no one would get out. But. The funny

part is they're putting down the new carpet and

it comes in these like three foot by three foot

squares and they put it down with this like really

crazy like adhesive stuff and so I was kind of

like and it smells like it just fills up the

whole like office with this smell and I was walking

by the one guy the other day and it was like

really strong smell and I'm like Wow Looks like

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

It just reminded me that it's so awful. Gosh.

And I'm like, you know, most places kind of wait

till, uh, you know, work is out and they do the

remodeling. You just do it while everybody's

in there. You know, no big deal. Let's close

all the windows and put the fumes on and see

how this counts. Let's, let's just get everybody

high and see what kind of crazy stuff we can

crank out. You know, that's awesome. That's always

fun. Greg, how's your week been going? First

things first, Dan. I'm the realist. Drop this

and let the whole world feel it. And I'm still

in the murder business. I could hold you down

like I'm given lessons in physics. You should

want a bad bitch like this. Drop it low and pick

it up like this. Cup of Ace, cup of Goose, cup

of Chris. High heels. Something worth a half

ticket on my wrist. Talking all the liquor straight,

never chase that, Dan. Rooftop like we bringin'

88 back. Bringin' the hooks in, where the bass

at. Champagne spillin'. You should taste that.

I'm so fancy, Dan. I just wanted you to know.

I'm in the fast lane. From Scranton to Baltimore.

I'm so fancy. Can't you taste this gold remember

my name bout to blow? Thank you and good night

So so you've been listening to a lot of vanilla

ice is that what's going on? That blonde chick

that has that rap song out I'm gonna say Greg.

What are you doing in my office sniffing the

glue? For this episode Greg's gonna talk all

around Somehow incorporated what song I have

no idea. Is that the one that a weird owl periade

like this week? Yes, I'm so handy. Yes. Yeah

You would enjoy it Chuck he's talking about uh

How he's he's so good at uh, like home repairs

and stuff and it's kind of like he's got a home

repair business going on I'll have to check that

out. I know who you're talking about. I forget

her name, but she always just yeah she just looks

like no you just should go away i just i don't

know it's like you look like lady gaga and kesha

had a kid and you it came out stupid no so as

expected yeah pretty much but yeah as as you

can tell by that statement i have been up to

absolutely nothing well researching cool rap

songs i guess Yeah, that took me about two seconds

to come up with. I thought you were like right

in your own completely there. I was like, that's

pretty impressive. Those lines brought to you

by Greg Babler. Epic rap battles of history.

Wait, I'm going to go take a break and I'm going

to come back with one. Anyways, well, on the

news tidbit, anyways, not much has been going

around in my neck of the woods, but. I did get

some cool news. A few, wow, feels like a long

time ago. Probably about a month by this time.

I talked about a book that I read called Leviathan

Waste, which is a part of this Expansed series.

And news dropped recently that it's actually

being made into a TV series. So, which is kind

of exciting, starring Thomas Jane, The Punisher,

which is definitely exciting. Fortunately, it's

on the Sci -Fi channel. So I don't know if that's

a good thing. They do alright sometimes, Dan.

Yeah, I mean, I've heard good things about Alphas

and Warehouse 13. Warehouse 13 was really good.

I watched that and I watched Eureka on there.

That was really good, too. I've heard good things

about Helix. I've not seen that, but... I haven't

seen that either. Yeah, that has me excited,

though. I mean, I know I had power, but I don't

know. You know, I talked about a book and now

it's a TV series, so... Don't know see how that

goes. They should really hire us already Dan.

I'm sick of them stealing our ideas I know they

kill us. It's like taking someone's rap lyrics

and just saying them out loud like they're your

rights I hate those bastards into that those

people are redonkulous. We need a We need a copyright

app that we could just immediately copyright

stuff as soon as we say it on here. There is

not a copyright app. Because that stuff doesn't

take a long time or anything. Yeah, no, no, just

a couple of clicks. That's all you need. Yeah.

Anyways, Chuck, have you been up to anything

else besides sniffing glue and carpet munchers?

So when you put it that way, that doesn't make

me. I did see a movie on TV this week that I

wasn't expecting to find again. A lot of times

I just flip through and kind of see what's on

and I'm like, oh, let's check this out. And this

is a movie that I have never seen and I felt

really, really guilty for never seeing it because

I feel like I'm the only one because a lot of

people kind of grew up like knowing about this

and seeing it and everything. And that is, of

course, Robocop. Wow, nice. I have never seen

it either, Chuck. Okay, so I don't feel so bad

now, so Greg you haven't seen predator Robocop

or Terminator yeah, we gotta get you some like

80 safe sci -fi I Wouldn't call all of them Yeah,

it's like that sci -fi action like yeah that

happened a lot during the 80s. Yeah, it's more

action even sci -fi for the most part. Yeah,

it's like a like dance. That's kind of a bit

of a mashup. But yeah, I'm part of the reason

I never watched it was because I always thought

it would be incredibly corny and everything.

And I just didn't think I would be into it. But

I got to say, I liked it a lot, actually. It

was much better than I expected it to be all

these years. And it's funny because it takes

place in future Detroit. which they nailed that

set design pretty well, to be honest. It's compared

to the current state of the city. They portrayed

in the movie that, you know, in the future, Detroit

would be this crumbling infrastructure with all

these rundown warehouses. And I don't know how

the hell they knew that, but they nailed it.

Yeah, pretty funny. But see, and the movie didn't

like I guess that's one knock against it. Mean

it's supposed to take place in the future, but

it still seems just too present You know like

the only thing futuristic is RoboCop himself

Like nothing else is really futuristic. It doesn't

seem like but I guess you gotta use your imagination

a little bit I think that's more so it's the

opposite view of people when it comes to the

future. I guess it's more of a pessimistic view

of the future where it's like, yeah, back to

the future during that time. It's, you know,

we have hover boards and shoes that, you know,

that tie it themselves. And this is like, it's

just kind of dirtier. And that's the future that

we're in. It's more realistic of what the future

would be in some places. Yeah. So that was kind

of a cool. you know, angle of it. But I actually

like the tone of this movie all the way through.

You know, it's it kind of, I guess, demanded

some respect from me, I would say. Like I was

watching this. I'm like, oh, let's see how corny

this is. Maybe maybe it'll be good laugh or something.

But I actually was into it and it was it was

pretty fun movie. There was a little little bit

of a corny part with like those. I guess they're

like E .D. 209 droids or something like that.

Yeah, some of their yeah, their movements are

pretty corny and pretty bad stuff with that with

that CG But it's the stop -motion animation.

What's his name? Harry how's him? Yeah, he the

guy who did all the stuff first He did the same

thing in Star Wars like he did a lot of this

Harry house and by the way now sounds like the

grandfather of all stop -motion Yeah, it looked

like a lot of that same stuff. It honestly had

the same exact look Greg do you like starship

troopers? Uh, yeah, I watched the first one.

It was all right. It was it was pretty bad But

I think it was supposed to look pretty bad. Yeah,

it's well It's something by Peter, you know Von

Hoeven and he loves his satire. I mean like it's

not meant to be like it's obviously Meant it's

not just like a straightforward like hey, this

is just Robocop or this is just structure troopers

It's often it's very much a satire. I mean I

I doubt it with if you watch it on TV Chuck the

the vine. I don't know. Well, you guess you can

get away with anything on TV now comes to violence,

but like the violence and Robocop is just so

Over the top that it becomes like, you know kind

of almost darkly humorous in some yeah Like especially

with when he becomes Robocop and basically just

gets annihilated like his hand gets blown off.

It's rather disturbing I ended up watching that

on YouTube. I think they kind of Left a little

bit of that out on the TV, but I ended up watching

that scene on YouTube and it was like it's like

wow, this is pretty crazy over the top, but There's

also two cuts to it because there's the studio

cut and then which is almost hard to define anymore

and then there's the detractors cut which is

You can see what he was really trying to trying

to go for there. So yeah And it was funny the

fact that he got shot like, you know, 34 times

by shotguns and he's still alive. Exactly. Take

that 50 cent. It was very reminiscent of the

Toxic Avenger violence kind of. Yeah, yeah. Over

the top. Definitely exploitive in a lot of ways.

Yeah, but I did enjoy, I did enjoy seeing Red

Foreman in there as the villain. That was kind

of funny. Yeah, yeah. Was waiting for him to

put a boot in Robocop's ass, but They said this

was kind of the movie too that like propelled

his like acting career in the intellect action

and villain roles and stuff like that because

He he did take some parts after this that you

know People really liked him in this and everything

and I know he took like a small role in one of

the Rambo movies or something like that which

it wasn't particularly a action role for him,

but A lot of people liked him and how he did

in this movie and everything, and I thought he

was pretty good, too. He definitely made a good

bad guy. You know, after knowing him from 70

show, it was kind of funny to see him in this,

but I'm sure it'd be better to see it the other

way around. But yeah, that was funny. And then

also the. Having I guess you'd called the main

bad guy who worked for the police department

be the guy from one of the guys from the Beverly

Hills cop movie, that was kind of funny. because

I was used to seeing him kind of as a good guy.

So seeing him play a bad guy was kind of interesting.

Yeah. But I I do love the ending, too. I won't

give it away there because Greg might want to

see it. But just the ending, I'll say the one

the thing that the guy says at the end, it's

pretty cool. I liked how that all turned out.

But the one thing I wanted to mention a couple

of things to about, I guess, trivia wise on the

movie, I guess the the suit that Peter Weller

war for this movie. He was losing three pounds

a day from water loss because it was so hot in

that suit. Oh That sounds awful I know so they

actually had to put an air conditioner in a suit

in the suit to like keep him cool and stuff which

is craziness and It's funny cuz once they get

all all the suit on him They realized he was

too bulky to fit in the cop car So for the scenes

when he was like getting in or out of the the

cop car, they would just they cut it there like

as he was getting in, like they didn't show the

whole thing of him getting into the car because

he couldn't. And for the scenes that he actually

had to drive the car, he was only wearing. the

suit from the waist up and he was basically sitting

in his underwear driving the car. I thought that

was pretty funny. That's how I drive my car.

I don't know about you guys. That does sound

like a Greg Robocop, you know, party up top,

pants, pantsless below, you know. That's the

kind of how I am actually right now. I have a

t -shirt on and boxer shorts. There you go. Excellent

visual there. I could help you out more there.

Christmas boxer shorts. That's a they have a

North Pole like candy cane North Pole, and I

don't want to know where it is It says where

the magic happens This episode of talking in

circles brought to you in 3d oh But that's pretty

funny so yeah that that was funny and then there

was a scene where he's kind of coming down the

steps into this club and The music was really

loud and there was kind of like this fog kind

of going on, and he couldn't look down because

he's he's in the persona of a robot, so he couldn't

look down going down these steps. And he said

it was like super awkward trying to go down,

so he had to like do the take like over and over

again until he got it right. So it was kind of

clumsy and everything. So I love finding out

that stuff about movies because it just gives

you a little like peek behind the scenes of how

stuff really happened. Yeah, it's kind of crazy.

Have you seen I don't know if you have any interest

in seeing the new one, which is not very good

It's it's made by someone who I feel like actually

it's made by a good director But I think it's

made by people who didn't really get the purpose

of Robocop and kind of neutered it It's not a

horrible remake. It's just kind of bland, but

I really love Robocop and it's yeah I love the

it's one of my favorite themes like Robocop's

theme. Yeah, pretty awesome. Yeah and the Well,

there's one other thing I wanted to mention about

the trivia. When this movie came out in theaters,

I guess it was in 1987, I guess in Sacramento,

California, there was a guy, there was a robbery

suspect that was fleeing the scene of a crime.

And he ran into a dark movie theater to try to

get away from the cops that were chasing him.

And this movie was playing, he became so engrossed

in the movie. That he didn't notice that the

cops evacuated everybody else out of the theater.

And they flipped the lights. He was like totally

surprised. There's all these cops around. It'd

be funny if they waited to the end and then like

he looks back and just all police officers sitting

down in the seats. Just tries to slowly walk

out like maybe they won't notice. They forget

to. They're like, oh, that's a good movie. But

I did find out something interesting, too, that

apparently there have been plans in place for

quite some time now to build a RoboCop statue

to be placed in Detroit, similar to the Rocky

statue in Philadelphia. Because, you know, you're

a great city when your best hero is a fictional

character. Exactly. I think somebody I'm trying

to remember how this started, but I think somebody

like sent a message to the mayor or something.

And they're like, you know, Philly has a rocky

statue and RoboCop would beat the crap out of

Rocky. We need RoboCop statue. So there was two

sides to this, too, during the whole thing, like

a lot of people thought it would be a great landmark

for the city would bring in a lot of tourists

and everything, because it's this really memorable

character from movies and everything. But. There's

another group of people that were totally against

it because they thought it it represented and

really drove home the point the movie made about

Detroit kind of being a crapple. So there's a

lot of people like against the whole idea of

that. But so it's ironic. Actually, on June 3rd

of this year, only a couple of months ago, they

unveiled the. RoboCop statue in Detroit and June

3rd is now the official RoboCop day in the city

of Detroit So they have this huge Probably 12

foot tall bronze statue of RoboCop now that you

can see on display in Detroit. How's it look?

It looks pretty cool. Actually, I could send

it to you guys It's funny because the website

it's on is philly .com Pretty sure they're trying

to copy off the rocky statue, but Yeah, it looks

pretty sweet. Actually, it's it's a really good

sculpt and everything on it. So 24 day it gets

like vandalized and it's like well that didn't

go as expected Yeah Yeah, it's pretty cool anything

else on Robocop or anything Nah, that's it's

about all you have to do this week. Unfortunately.

Yeah, we're just racking up the things that we're

gonna have to force Greg to watch. So one of

these days, one of these days, Greg, one of these

days, including so many books to read and so

many TV shows to watch. You're gonna have to

watch the Mothman again. I'm sorry. Well, speaking

of books, I also again read a book the soul reading

thing is catching on again when I once I want

another one I got from handy -dandy library,

but I I picked up a few books and The first one

I read was actually called prayers for rain,

which is not it's not a book about rain dancing

or anything like that is written by Dennis Leehan

And for those who don't know who he is, he wrote

a lot of books You're probably familiar with

because they've been made into a lot of movies

The movie Shutter Island Mystic River gone, baby

gone. Those are all based upon novels that he

wrote and this is part this which is kind of

funny is I picked this book up from The library

and it's one of those situations where I didn't

realize it was part of a series You know how

that kind of goes where it's like, oh, this is

actually these ongoing characters and this is

actually part of the Patrick Kenzie like private

eye series This is the fourth novel in it and

the movie gone baby gone is also part of that.

It's the same type of characters But luckily

it didn't really matter like not knowing and

not reading the three books that came before

didn't really affect it all that much I was able

to pretty much stay up with everything that was

going on But the purpose behind this book is

it is a private investigator who lives in boston

You know, he handles small crimes and things

like that. He's kind of notorious. He's part

of a lot of the more nastier parts of Boston.

And there's one day someone comes into his office

saying like some guy is harassing her and saying

that all these crazy things at the gym and won't

leave her alone. So this private investigator,

along with one of his pals, goes and basically

scares this guy to stop bugging this girl. And,

you know, it's done and over with. Good to go.

Flash forward to six months later. He's about

to go on vacation and before he does he gets

a message from that same girl saying You know,

I need some help. I need I need you to come assist

me and he's about to leave on vacation He's like,

well, I can't deal with it. Now. I'll deal with

it. Come back When he comes back finds out that

same girl who he thought was really put together

really smart intelligent has committed suicide

and Because of this he feels kind of like necessary

to investigate this suicide and see he doesn't

feel like it was an actual suicide He's like

this doesn't make sense. Why would she do this?

She had so much going for her How does she become

this like suicidal in such a short period of

time which hit everything together not too long

ago so she looks into it he looks into it and

One of those things where the deeper he goes

the darker and darker things become and as he

learns that There's you know, all this mystery

behind what actually happened, but I was deeply

enthralled in this novel I was I loved it. I

loved the settings a lot of great characters

i'm a big fan of like the crime genre like I

mentioned in the podcast a lot and I just think

that what this does well, it is good at kind

of taking characters that aren't necessarily

You know the greatest people in the world but

making them interesting and using their faults

to its benefit. So But also a lot of great reaction

and there's a lot going on within this plot and

It's one of those books where like you always

hear that the term like I didn't want to put

it down I didn't want to put it down because

it the way it developed and it would just Go

in unexpected directions where I'm like by the

end of the book I'm like, well, this is not nearly

as all what I thought it would be though the

final twist at the end It was a little projectable.

I kind of saw that coming. But overall, it's

just a really well written story. The Dennis

Lee Hand is really great at just getting you

an idea of the scene and how his writing really

evolves this story in a clever way. So I feel

weird critiquing books because I haven't read

a great deal. So it's hard for me to like, is

this a really great book? I don't know. I loved

it a lot. And I'm going to go back and watch

and read the other ones. So again, it's from

Dennis Lee Hand. Prayers for rain. You can get

it at your local library or your local bookstore

because reading is fundamental as they all say.

I have a question for you, Dan. Do you feel like

this guy was actually a good private investigator?

Because from what you've said, I feel like he

was kind of a terrible one since he's like, yeah,

this lady's in trouble. I'm just going to go

on vacation. I think he's a great private investigator.

I think he's just not always a great person He's

kind of selfish in some instances, which makes

him do make decisions that are not Which or make

some question what he does later, but I think

that The motivations behind him like going. Okay,

I'll deal with it later I think he just thought

it was a situation that wasn't that big of a

deal. So it wasn't so they do kind of they kind

of Resolved it in the book to where you were

satisfied with why he kind of skipped out and

everything Yeah, it wasn't like a situation where

it's like wow. This person's like calling you

for help immediately It was more like a casual

message That like I had a little serious tone

and the situation where he was literally on his

way To the beach with a lovely lovely lady. He's

like, well, you know you Clark Maybe maybe it

was Emily Clark and Emma Watson I don't know

all right But no, yeah, it was taking two girls

It was a legit reason or at least it wasn't a

choice made of ignorance or stupidity It was

made out of selfishness Which I think then becomes

the redeeming factor throughout the entire novel

because it's him trying to you know Make up for

that tragic mistake basically, but I don't know

That's all for that. I again i'm getting in this

whole reading thing Hopefully eventually i'll

be able to Talk more poetically when it comes

to trying to critique a book right now. I'm just

like it sounded good I like the characters and

the words were pretty so But Greg, I know you

want something I made sure that the text you

because I'm like he'll forget this is on so let

me text them and I I did forget that it was on

But what what show did you just watch recently?

I watched one of our favorite directors new show.

It's by Gilmore Gizmo del Toro since I can't

freaking say his name apparently it was To do

with a book that I read not that long ago I finished

up the whole series and it's they're starting

to put the strain on TV which has to deal with

vampires coming in to New York City on this Airplane

well, it's actually just one vampire for now

coming in on a airplane into New York City And

the CDC agent F comes in EFF I think or EPH sure.

It's not just F Which at first I'm like, that's

a weird name the thing to call some but I'm like,

oh, yeah It's like F. Yeah. Yeah, it's I think

it's short for Ephraim or whatever But he goes

to investigate this plane because everybody apparently

dies on it. So he comes in and investigates.

And it's kind of a mystery to them throughout

the whole first episode here, which it was a

very long episode. It was an hour and 40 minutes,

I think. Yeah, I didn't realize that. And I'm

like, because, you know. It starts at what nine

or starts at 10. I think it started at 10 because

it ended at like 11 40. Yeah I'm I'm like, okay,

it's almost over. It's about to turn 11. I'm

like wait 40 more minutes Yeah, i'm old. I can't

do that. Sorry. I ended up i'm like i'll watch

the rest tomorrow Oh, did you? Oh, yeah, I couldn't

watch i'm like i'm gonna go up bed now. It's

11 o 'clock I stayed up and watched it. My wife

did too. I went to sleep. I'm hardcore But yeah,

I thought it was really good. They hit a lot

of the same notes. I like how they showed the

old man characters played by the dude who plays

the janitor in Harry Potter. And they make him

look really, really badass in this thing. I think

the only complaint that I really have about it

was actually there might be two complaints. First

complaint is I didn't care for the acting of

the two flight attendants at the beginning of

the movie or not the movie. It was essentially

a movie, but I didn't care for their acting at

the beginning. But the rest of the cast did really

well. And I didn't care for when the older gentleman,

Abraham or something. But he's he's in jail.

And it's the one of the guys in the jail cell

kind of turns to him when the old man gets put

in there and it's like, oh, it's nice sink. What

is that? And it's his tattoo from the concentration

camp in Germany. So they're starting to set up

that. But I thought it was kind of clunky how

they kind of presented that with the drunk guy

and the tattoo. It's like, even if you're drunk,

I'm pretty sure. Everybody knows about those

tattoos. You have to be pretty freaking Historically

ignorant if you don't know that at this point

Yeah, I kind of flashback to like x -men 3 when

it's like, you know, the guy acts back neato

Where's your ink and he was like, you know, he

shows his arm. It's like yeah I felt like that

was a little bit more well done. Yeah, this was

I agree And I think, and maybe a third problem

I just thought of, I didn't care for the giant

vampire tongue that comes flying out. I thought

that was, it was a lot more clunky than I pictured

it, but that's a personal thing, I guess, of

how I'm picturing things and how it came out

on screen. But I just thought it was like weird

and clunky and how the hell is that coming out

of anything's mouth? I thought it was good though.

And I really liked how the master kind of looked

as he kind of floated away from the tower operator

after he kills the tower operator, and he kind

of floats away down that hall. It wasn't really

floating because he went really fast, but that

looked really neat, I thought. And I thought

the blood worms, these blood worms that are all

white, I thought those were really cool. And

the part where Abraham Put some of his blood

in because he's kind of studying this vampire

heart that he has cut out and it's got all the

the bloodworms still in it and they come out

and they feed they come out of all the blood

vessels in the heart and the capillaries and

The chambers of the heart and they start eating

his blood that he put in this bottle So that

part looked really awesome. So they did a real

some nice things in there and the story was was

pretty decent so that's what that was I wasn't

sure with the Like is that i'm sure i'm assuming

that's a vampire heart, but I wasn't 100 positive

Yeah, it was a vampire heart because the the

vampires all have these blood worms and that's

essentially how the virus is Transmitted. Yeah,

I mean I've read the first book too and I don't

remember it a great deal because it was literally

like You know three years ago or when it first

came out. So it's a long time ago Yeah, it's

been a while since I've read it too. I I did

like it overall It was directed by gilma under

altura the first episode at least and I I know

like sometimes his tone for horror can be A little

bit not cheesy per se, but he likes he he lays

it on thick I love him as a director, but like

he he he loves like that old school feel So I

could see a lot turning off a lot of people Yeah,

like the look of the character. Like you said,

I thought I thought the concept of that character

was cool I thought some of the special effects

were Questionable at times when he's like taking

I will spoiler alert when he takes a person out

I thought that looked pretty awesome But I thought

some of the movement was a little it made me

kiss the budgets not that huge it It wasn't like

all that great. Um, and the only other big issue

I had was I didn't like how it I I thought in

the book again, I don't I don't remember if this

is correct, but when the plane lands You don't

really have any idea of what's going on And there's

kind of an illusion to what happened in the show

in the beginning It kind of shows you a good

idea of what happened and I think that kind of

ruins attention a little bit I think it's you

build more mystery when you just have this plane

and you really know nothing Yeah, unlike like

with the show and it kind of showed you it he

came up out of the Cargo hold. Yeah. Yeah, which

I think is it kind of ruins the illusion in a

little bit It's like, oh, okay If you had the

plane just land and you're just it's just dead

in the water and you don't have any idea I thought

that was a really effective was like one of my

favorite parts So that what got me engrossed

to start with so I didn't I wasn't a big fan

of how that one went down But I do I do agree

overall. The characters are pretty cool Abraham

does seem like he's gonna be a great character

It didn't get into a lot of the other characters

that come come up later But it's really setting

the stage and what I liked about it, too. It

really took its time Lot of people get to probably

find it boring because it it puddled along It

was kind of just letting the things build it

wasn't really in a hurry, which I liked I thought

it was very in tune with the book So looking

forward to looking forward to more because that

book that story gets really crazy and insane

near the end So I'm really curious how that's

all gonna work out. So Yeah, I'm hoping people

hold on for a little bit because it's starting

off pretty average at this point. So I'm hoping

and gets a little bit more of an uptick probably

gonna be a little bit speedier through because

I'm assuming they're not gonna have them all

be this long as This one was see I don't know

because I don't know if it's considered a miniseries

or what but I mean I wouldn't as of right now

if our Not that long ago. I ranked my 10 favorite

shows of the year Yeah, I wouldn't be there,

but it's a nice summer show. It's a it's a good

watch I feel I do feel like all the good shows

are on Sunday nights though because it's you

know I had well true blood isn't that great of

a show but we watched that I Started watching

the show leftovers, which is pretty good. We

have this falling skies, which I need to call

it catch up with I'm like I'm too behind on that

show with that's on Sunday nights. It's like

all great television It's always reserved for

Sunday nights. Can I ask you something else down

go right ahead? There's essentially two, pretty

much two vampire shows, I guess, on TV right

now. Is Vampire Diaries still on? Yeah. Oh, is

it? Well, I assume you haven't watched that,

but not only only secondhand like my wife watches

that show. OK, which is not as horrible. Don't

let her know I said this She still listens to

the podcast right there she on occasion She still

does but I'll tell her not to listen to this

episode. This one's really boring It's not as

bad as you would think of a show called vampire

diaries, but I personally will never want to

seek it out, but Compared to other shows that

it has its moments and some of the actors are

pretty good. So I was gonna ask you even though

it's just one episode. So it's gonna be hard

to judge But uh, do you like true blood better

or do you like this take better on vampires?

Wow. Well right now the take on vampires. I I

like this take on vampires better I mean it's

knowing the book because I like vampires treated

as monsters and I think in you know true blood

and twilight true bloods better than twilight,

but they're treated like There's like no downfall.

It's no downfall to being a vampire It's like,

you know, you're basically just a superpower

superhuman that just sleeps during the day So

I like it when vampires are more like monsters

and they're not You know, it's not a sexy more

scary than sexy. Yeah more scary than sexy I

mean, I mean not that there's some sexy lady

vampires and true blood that I'm not against

but I Prefer Carol definitely not listen to this

episode As of right now if you like you say watch

true blood or watch the strain I would rather

watch the strain mostly because the true blood

has been so awful for so many seasons right now,

but true blood was really good at its at its

peak like true blood, uh had its moments. I think

its first like four seasons were good, but I

don't know it's a long really long -winded answer,

but I would say uh, I prefer the take of the

serene vampires because it's More the way I I

like to perceive vampires Give me Nosferatu over

like Robert Pattinson any day of the week. Yes,

take anything over who Though to be fair. He's

getting a lot of acclaim for this movie called

the Rover which I haven't seen yet, but uh He's

beginning a lot of a lot of good acclaim for

that movie. So Red Rover Red Rover sent Robert

Pattinson over Let's never mention Twilight in

the same breath as Nosferatu Well in the sense

that I know, I know you're saying, but I'm just

joking. You could say it like Nosferatu totally

ripped Robert Pattinson's head off. Yeah, that

works, right? That movie was pretty badass. That's

that's a classic creepy movie. Yeah, that movie

is disturbing in a lot of great ways. So yeah,

but yeah, that's pretty much it. You got anything

else before we take a break, right? I've got

nothing, nothing. One one quick thing I wanted

to bring up. Did you guys see the Marvel News

from Recently that they're going to in the comics

at least they're gonna make Thor a girl I have

seen that I did I have seen the replacement for

Captain America as well Yes, yes It was pretty

funny because like for the the Thor thing People

were freaking out because they thought it was

for the movies And they're like why would they

replace Chris Hemsworth with a girl that makes

no sense that's so stupid And there and they

started making me question that it was about

the movies because like everyone was talking

about it and they're like Like oh, you know Chris

Chris Hemsworth's already been a bunch of movies,

you know It's it's time for him to hang it up

and I'm like what the hell is he talking about?

But I did confirm it's just in the comics but

and yeah with the Captain America thing, too

They said Stephen Colbert was disappointed he

wasn't the next Captain America. This is the

second time he's been disappointed. Yeah, but

they did. The Cap's been dying a lot lately.

Yeah, yeah. I guess that whole, you know, 70

years old thing is catching up to him. But it

was funny, they did make Stephen Colbert a superhero.

I guess they commissioned one of the artists

at Marvel to draw him as the new Falcon. And

they have the picture online somewhere with a

Stephen Colbert in the Falcon uniform like soaring

through the air Yeah, I just kind of pretty funny

Yeah, did you so what are you guys thinking with

the whole changing of the garden with those characters?

I I never liked that stuff. I mean to me it always

just Seems like a gimmick and I I don't care

for them that much I mean, I know there's a lot

of things you can do with it and I've done the

right way it could be interesting but Especially

the Thor thing. I have a problem with that and

I actually I love reading the comments on stories

like this, too and I think I was reading a lot

of the female comics fans are actually upset

that they're making Thor a girl because they

said it was like demeaning that you're like catering

to the women kind of like basically making the

character into a woman to like kind of make them

feel better or stuff like that like I know that's

not really entirely what they're doing but a

lot of people were taking it that way and even

the girls were pretty upset about it and you're

changing a classic character it's fine if you

created a new one but like don't don't change

the existing one and so it was it was pretty

cool to read all those comments Yeah, I guess

my issue with that though is I feel like people

come if when they create a new character They

say the same thing. It's like why are you creating

a new character? Why not try to I just don't

think you can appease people I honestly I really

don't care like I'd like go ahead and do it like

it's the comics It'll change in like two years

and go back to the status quo. Anyways, it's

like why don't you make a big deal about it?

They had Loki not that long ago He was a woman

for like a month or two and they changed him

right back after a little while Yeah, and then

he was a kid for a while and I think you can

make a good story out of it like the with miles

Morales and the ultimate line when he became

spider -man People complain about it. But once

it got going it's like well, this is actually

really great and it's not necessarily The and

it's great not because of his race or his gender

It's great because it's a great story and it's

just you know something different and I understand

like why it's catering but also Like in it is

a big stunt. There's no doubt about it. I mean,

you're not gonna announce a character on the

view Literally, that's where they announced it

on the view and it's not being a stunt but it's

me Marvel is a business and The thing is like

you can't always survive just on comic book readers

I think they realize they have to kind of reach

out to people but I don't even like I think it

can make sense because it's not like Thor the

actual Thor character is changing into a woman.

It's just that he's losing like, you know He's

not going to be quote -unquote Dean worthy and

someone else is gonna take up and it's gonna

be a woman I don't know who it's gonna be but

I don't know. It's it. Is it a gimmick? Yeah,

but doesn't mean gimmicks can be good But in

the thing about it the whole Thor character is

a gimmick. You're taking a god From north culture

and making him into a 1960s superhero. You've

already changed the character drastically from

its original origin. So Why are you getting upset

now? Like I don't understand like you this isn't

original marvel property This is something that

they took and made it into their own image and

now it's something different So it's like true.

It's it's different though when it's like when

it's a character that's important to you or beloved

to you or something like that and I know people

are complaining, too, because they're saying,

what are they going to call her? Like, is she

going to be called Thor? Because in, you know,

in the Scandinavian countries, Thor is a male

name and it's it can't even be passed as a female

name. So they're they're bringing that up, which

is a huge deal. But well, there's also been in

the. Avengers Academy or whatever that was during

the time of Osborn's reign, they had a character

there that was called Lady Thor. She didn't have

a hammer, she didn't have Mjolnir, but it was

essentially a Lady Thor character, so I don't...

I also don't understand it from that perspective

of... Like, why can't they just have her and

then just have Thor? Like, why can't they just

bring that character back? Yeah. I honestly don't

care what they do because I don't read the new

comics anymore, so it doesn't really concern

me. The whole Falcon thing, I think, kind of

makes sense. If you're going to get rid of Steve

Rogers, for whatever reason, and replace him

with someone, I think it makes sense that it

would be Falcon since they've been partners for

such a long time. And it's not the first time

Captain America wasn't Steve Rogers. It was...

Bucky for a long time. It's been a few people

and I don't know again That's the example of

them not creating a new character It's using

the existing one and just giving them different

spin on that one. That one absolutely makes sense

I love that one sam wilson's been with him since

uh 1969 I believe and often credited as the first

black superhero at least in marvel But yeah,

I mean it is a stunt joke Asada does do these

things where he's I think he's big on getting

headlines. He's not big on Getting great stories

all the time. So I don't know but sometimes I

could it could work out like it might be awful

and if it is it'll get cancelled and regular

Thor will come back. I Don't know. I haven't

really read any of the new Marvel now stuff because

I think it's supposed to be called Avengers now

With though like they announced the entire team

and which includes like Iron Man, which is Tony

Stark and just new armor once your soldier Some

other characters that I don't even know who they

are But Scarlett which I think is on there I'm

like so they're gonna keep her around didn't

she like kind of kill the mutants there for a

while You'd rather Marvel get headlines by saying

hey, this story was amazing and not hey look

we're gonna Do we always do because they've done

that a lot because there's like lady holes. I

there was like lady I don't know just like let's

take this character and make him a woman. Yeah,

it's dr. Octopus was a woman at one point even

yeah, it's I mean they're gonna do what they're

gonna do and you know, there's gonna be people

that like it and people that don't like it and

I mean the people that don't like it aren't gonna

read it that's all and you know, they're they're

still gonna do what they do and move forward

and like you said Dan they're gonna Revert back

to the previous form eventually. Anyway, so,

you know, yeah, it's like when a character gets

killed It's like I can't believe I killed that

character. It's like really it's just gonna like

wait two years and then you know buy another

one I mean, I was I was pretty pissed when they

killed Captain America and like after Civil War

Yeah, I loved how it was handled and then I got

actually pissed when they brought him back That's

when you know, they got you. Yeah when you're

when you're conflicted in yourself, yeah If they

do it like that, you know Masterfully done. It's

when they do it just to do it and it turns out

like crap That's when it's like really annoying

in this. I mean it does feel like that it does

feel like it's especially the way that they're

kind of they're doing it with this press campaign

like Hey, let's go go in the view and talk about

this superhero character as if that's gonna get

new readers like I don't think yeah, and I understand

I can completely understand that like the Women

comic book readers saying hey, we don't have

to just because someone's a girl doesn't mean

we're gonna read the comic now I mean that that

that is very yeah demonizing or whatever you

want to say and and saying like Why do they need

the the powers and the persona that has been

tied to a male for so long to make them seem

good Yeah, I can't we have our own character

that's thrust into the spotlight like that. And

I mean, I kind of see where Where that could

be an issue a little bit. I mean you have lady

sith Why not just like make her the leader of

the you know, the asgard's I think that's it

That would be pretty cool. Yeah, but that's not

a headline you can get so Exactly. So it's like

the new york jets, right? They make signings

that make no sense, but give them headlines and

their team sucks So I think marvel has has that

maybe maybe it's secretly run by rex ryan and

we just don't know Well, if you start seeing

a lot of uh Panels in Marvel comics of people's

feet Then, you know Rex Ryan with his foot fetish

has taken over Good point. All right, but we'll

get actually into more comic book characters

in a sack because we'll be getting into some

classic showdowns after this So we'll see in

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and welcome back. Way back when, I think in our

first 15 episodes, we did this thing called the

March Badass Bracket, where we pitted people

against their badassness and that it was not

who it would in a fight. Well, today we are checking

out to see who would win in Make Believe Battle.

Like I mentioned on the top of the show, if anyone's

ever been on a comic book message board, chances

are you've had these debates. Chances are you've...

Got angry and threw things and yelled and screamed

when you thought that no Yoda could in fact be

Professor X in a game of chess. So I've seen

some craziness going on. So today we're gonna

be Having some of our own classic like Battle

Royales where we're picking up some of those

fun fights and seeing who would win You know,

it's all it's all been fun So the question is

where do we get we'll throw out some of these

different matchups. We'll just debate see who

we think would win Maybe we'll agree maybe we

won't luckily there's an odd number of us so

we can pick the winner just based upon votes

But uh, this isn't a tournament anything. This

is just kind of crazy crazy battles And if you

agree or disagree with us, feel free to let us

know in the comment section and we'll get at

the end of the show Get to all the different

ways you can get in contact with us. So i'll

throw out the first battle and It's hard. It's

like, you know, is there a main event here? I'm

not sure but I think I'll start with one I think

is a good undercard battle maybe not necessarily

two of the biggest names ever but I think two

two pretty solid characters that I think we all

have somewhat of an understanding of and We've

talked about this character at length during

the superhero Draft episode and that is dr. Strange

Think he's always a fun one to bring into these

battles because of his power set going up against

I'm gonna cross boundaries here and get into

DC and getting with a kind of a cosmic character

of DC and that is Green Lantern and I guess I'll

go good old Hal Jordan Green Lantern I know there's

a trillion Green Lanterns, but just traditional

good old Hal Jordan Green Lantern against the

Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange Greg I know back

in way back when dr. Strange was the first pick

in your superhero draft Who do you think would

win in a fight dr. Strange or Green Lantern?

Oh I guess I'd go with dr. Strange because if

any of you have watched the What was the name

of that movie Justice League war or whatever

the it was out? not too long ago we didn't care

for it for their portrayal of Darkseid it's the

new 52 take on the character and we didn't care

for Superman that much but Green Lantern was

also in that movie and he essentially got his

butt kicked well could have got his butt kicked

if he wanted to by Batman in two seconds and

Batman has no powers whatsoever just swiped the

ring off of Hal Jordan and I think Dr. Strange

has enough tools in his workbench that he could

easily take that ring away from Hal Jordan. I

think he could take him, Hal, to different places

and there's much more imagination that could

be used in Dr. Strange's art than in Hal Jordan's

power ring. So I'm gonna give it to Dr. Strange.

You guys are gonna... Say something and I'm gonna

be like, well, you could have done that later,

but I'll Maybe I'll I can have a little counterpoint

at the end or something. All right, feel free

shock. Where would you go in this in this battle

of? Strange versus green love. I don't know that

was weird, but This is a tough one these are

like I guess two characters I never pictured

being pit against each other but I think honestly,

I'd have to go Green Lantern here in a close

one. I think since you said Hal Jordan, I think

that's the reason I would pick. If it were any

other Green Lantern, if you're looking at like

Kyle Rayner or John Stewart, Guy Gardner, some

of those, I would definitely say Dr. Strange.

But the Green Lantern's power, of course, is

his ring, which is controlled by your willpower.

The Green Lanterns is willpower. They believe

that's the strongest like emotion or whatever.

And Hal Jordan has faced some major enemies over

his time and he's overcome some great odds. He

has incredible willpower. I think Dr. Strange

would definitely have some interesting spells.

But I think Hal Jordan, who once took on the

entire Green Lantern Corps by himself. think

his willpower would just like Be enough to kind

of overcome any spells or hexes that dr. Strange

could put on him Now you think the fact that

I came up with this I would have figured out

who would I want to win before and but I really

didn't I will admit I'm not as well versed in

Green Lantern stuff as you chalk, but I'm going

with dr. Strange in this and the reason being

I think like you make a good point, Greg, regarding

Dr. Strange's powers. I think his variety is

a key here, and he can kind of conjure up such

a large amount of different spells and different

aspects of his power that I think it's really

gonna maybe bring Green Lantern off his game

a little bit. Plus, I mean, Dr. Strange does

go against some pretty intense foes himself,

some like little demons and gods he goes toe

-to -toe with. I mean, he's traveled around the

galaxy, even though he is a mortal man. Even

I think the one thing that's gonna would hurt

him is the fact that you know his spells do take

time and Green Lantern is rather quick, but I

just think that he would be able to just like

I think he'd be able to figure out Green Lantern

and Before that Green Lantern could figure out

dr. Strange if that makes any sense, but I will

point out that If I remember correctly, I don't

think dr. Strange was powerful enough to stop

the Scarlet Witch in the house of M But would

Green Lantern be powerful enough to stop Scarlet

Witch? Right. I don't know. Scarlet Witch is

kind of crazy. I feel like she's like the trump

card. She can change reality and then that's

it. Or she can just get backhanded and be knocked

out. It's a wide range for that character for

some reason. Yeah. Like I said, I'm not as...

I could be... Choosing strange just because I

know more about him, but my vocals were strange.

What dr Strange could do is conjure up some certain

spell where he shows how Jordan the movie Green

Lantern and That destroys his willpower and then

he wins So he could just get depressed because

he would trick him into thinking he was Ryan

Reynolds in that movie Definitely close. Oh,

I'll give you that. It's definitely a close battle.

I don't think it's a Easy win for GL by any means

and if I heard some Some good battles that dr.

Strange one. I might be persuaded but for now

my vote goes with GL fair enough fair enough

Greg, how about yourself? Do you have any any

battles for us to consider? Yeah, I do I think

it would be really interesting to see nightcrawler

the blue elf from x -men lore who Teleports from

place to place in a big poof of sulfur smelling

smoke Versus a man from the DC universe Who's

pretty much one of the fastest characters around

the flash? Nice so whoever would like to take

that one I guess I'll go for a sir since I finished

last time Wow, that is tough Man teleportation

versus instant speed that is crazy. I guess I

would go flash the reason being Nightcrawler

can teleport But I wonder if he would be quick

enough to even with teleportation If he would

be quick enough for the flash, I mean the flash

literally is lightning speed, you know for him

He maybe the teleportation would be slowing going

to be asked quick of an effect as it is for normal

people. So maybe wouldn't as be as effective

against a guy who can kind of get from one place

to another or he could kind of anticipate it

a little bit better. So I just think that he's

too fast. If it was someone like Quicksilver,

who's not as fast as the Flash, I'd probably

say quick. I would go Nightcrawler, but just

because of the flashes in godlike speed and have

to go. Go with I mean like he's fast enough to

kind of go through matter and you know whatnot

like he can literally change his body so like

Nightcrawler couldn't touch him. So that would

be my guess but I do think that growl is a better

character So if that counts or anything, but

my focus for the flash nice I think i'm gonna

have to agree with you dan. I think as far as

I can remember I think nightcrawler can only

teleport to A place he can see or a place he's

already been that's within a certain range. And

I just think if Flash is using his entire speed,

I don't think Nightcrawler can anticipate where

he's going to be fast enough. And especially

the other point would be like Flash, his brain,

he can think at speeds faster than a normal human,

too. So not only do you have his physical movements,

you know, Lightspeed or whatever you have his

thoughts that are even faster, too And I just

think it would be too much for the elf to keep

up with very nice See my see my whole thing with

the battle. I also I'm also going with with the

flash So I guess it was I didn't really pick

out a great battle But uh, I think that'd be

an awesome battle to watch and I would Unlike

you guys. I'm not going with the flash because

of his speed. I'm going with the faults with

nightcrawler of his teleportation kind of takes

a lot out of him. And I think the Flash has a

greater endurance than Nightcrawler would. So

I think Nightcrawler would be trying to keep

away from the Flash the whole time, because the

Flash does have a little bit more offensive in...

the regards to this battle. I think the Nightcrawler

would have to go on the defensive and try and

keep away as best he could, kind of just keep

popping up in the air, keep away from them. But

he's only going to last so long up there. He

has had issues with endurance. In one of the

comics that I've read, it was kind of a newer

one because they also had Pixie in there. and

she also has some abilities where she can kind

of teleport where she doesn't have some of those

issues and she teleported way farther than Nightcrawler

did and like the long distance wore him out and

she could teleport longer distance and withstand

better so I'm gonna go with the flash because

of Nightcrawler's horrible endurance qualities.

He can't last long is what you're saying. No.

There's actually, I don't know if you ever saw

the episode of Wolverine and the X -Men, but

there's this episode where he has to get from

Genosha, I think, to like a main island. And

it's him just going over the ocean to escape.

And he has to kind of teleport as far as he can.

I thought it was an incredible scene, one of

the favorite scenes from that entire cartoon.

And it has a really tragic kind of ending at

the end. Just to give some points to Nightcrawler.

I mean, he is a dude who has incredible heart.

Like if you can just YouTube that clip, it's

a it's awesome moment of that cartoon. So I don't

know why I thought of that, but it just came

to mind. That is very cool. All right, Chuck,

how about you? What do you got for us? Nothing.

All right. OK. Well, I'm going to stick with

the adage of go big or go home. So I'm going

big right out of the gate. And I'm going to propose

Apocalypse versus Dr. Doom. Wow, geez. Whoever

wants to go. I guess I'll start because Apocalypse

is one of my favorite villains, though I realize

he's gotten his shoes as a character. I think

I'd go Dr. Doom. It's tough, but I think Apocalypse

underestimates people far too much. I think that's

his biggest downfall. I think he's just... He

doesn't see anyone his equal even someone like

dr doom I think he has probably more powers per

se with his sentry armor or it's not sentry armor

But his like, you know, uh, what are those people

called those? Centurions or whatever. Celestials.

Celestials. Yeah with his less wild pop guild.

Yes With this celestial armor and you know his

mutant ability, which I feel like his mutant

powers change every every day They're never consistent

Every time he wakes up. He's got like different

powers, but I think do much is more cunning I

think he's harder to trick than someone like

apocalypse and I think apocalypse has been shown

he Has a lot of more weaknesses than that of

doom that have been taken advantage of in a lot

of different ways I mean he I think Dean would

probably figure out the fact that you know the

apocalypse does have to rest for a great deal

of time to keep up with his strength, then he

would maybe go to time when which he's, you know,

doing his resting and take him out then or out,

you know, or last him. There've been there've

been times when apocalypse has been basically

annihilated per se. So I go doom just because

when doom loses, I feel it's not nearly as devastating

as when apocalypse loses. I don't know if that

makes sense, but. Oh yeah, makes sense. I don't

know Greg. You may completely disagree. I'm curious.

I'm gonna go with Apocalypse because not ever

once have I really seen a story where they kind

of let Dr. Doom win as greatly as they have let

Apocalypse win in Age of Apocalypse where the

world is pretty much Right under his thumb and

he's squishing down that he's taken apparently

taken out dr. Doom and that I forgot exactly

what happens with dr. Doom in that storyline

but Just from seeing that I think apocalypse

would have it Then dr. Doom has so much I may

convince myself. Otherwise The more you talk

the more you convince. Yeah, exactly. Well, I'm

kind of just thinking out loud here and Apocalypse

he's only got what is this power? That's the

thing that I always have problems with him. What

is his power? energy projection shape -shifting

Incredible strength. I know at times he's had

flight. I think like I said, I feel his powers

are so never really stated. I feel like they

change per story. Yeah, so that just adds weirdness

into the whole question of who would win on this

fight. I know Cable has taken out Apocalypse,

like one -on -one. I don't think Cable could

take out Doctor Doom, so. All right, I'll go

Doctor Doom. Convince me. I was convincing myself

anyway and towards the end there. I mean it is

Doctor Doom has magic and he's probably smarter

than apocalypse. I mean Apocalypse just have

you know centuries upon centuries of Knowledge

he does and now I'm gonna convince myself the

other way go apocalypse you get I mean Apocalypse

is you know 5 ,000 years old so he survived a

lot of things. I guess a lot of it depends. I

probably should have kind of pick this when I

propose the battle, but a lot of it depends on

if there's any prep time or do they just kind

of stumble upon one another. Human apocalypse

or walking through the woods, you know, just

kind of walking along, you know, kicking acorns

and, you know, apocalypse jumps out from behind

a tree. Well, Dr. Doom did get beat by Squirrel

Girl. That's true. Well, who can get beat by

Squirrel Girl? So. I'm going to go Doctor Doom

as well. Are you changing your stand? I'm still

sick of Doom, but I'm curious. Chuck, it sounds

like you're going Apocalypse. I think I am going

to go Apocalypse. You like Doctor Doom, too,

so that's kind of weird. I do, but I'm so torn

because I love both of these characters and I'm

kind of pissing myself right now for picking

these two. I don't know. They're just they're

both so ruthless and like so cold, like. I know

Apocalypse gets weakened and he has to rest and

stuff, but that's after a long, long, long ass

time. That's true. And he, you know, and then

he does recuperate for, you know, a couple of

centuries or whatever it is. And then he comes

out like really freaking strong. I will say one

battle I could throw out there. I guess it might

not have any merit or anything, but Apocalypse

did kill Dracula in a fight. Oh, I read that.

That was really good. That was a four issue miniseries,

which was a really, really cool idea when Marvel

did that. But like I said, I think if they just

kind of met randomly, I think Apocalypse would

take it. If it's more of something with prep

time, like Dan mentioned, Apocalypse does have

a tendency to take people for granted. And Doom

is like the Marvel's equivalent of Batman when

it comes to preparation. So I guess I don't know

I'm kind of contradicting myself here, but I

we all have This is this is why I know a comic

book author wants to do this story where there's

an actual winner Yeah, and Maybe that's maybe

that's Brian Michael Bendis's problem. He just

it's the story he wants to go But I like to think

of it more as a Little bit more of a spur -of

-the -moment fight and I like apocalypse as power

set and I think he's He's just had so much more

experience over 5 ,000 years. I think he would

find a way to defeat doom Whether it's with his

celestial technology and the the way that it's

his hand enhanced his powers and stuff like that

or whatever it may be but I like to Like to give

it apocalypse for this round Very nice. Very

nice So we've gone Marvel in DC. I'm gonna kind

of go a little bit different here sticking with

DC But I don't know about you But one of my favorite

weapons is like a stick like you people you like,

you know, that's what my favorite try to look

like Donatello. I Just think I do like that,

too I just think you have to be a little bit

more cunning when you have just a stick as your

weapon So don't we all just have a stick as a

weapon I saw it coming out, which is not a good

thing to say after that. Did you see it coming

out, Dan? Anyways. Wow. OK. So I'm thinking two

people who have sticks have have sticks as a

weapon, one from Star Wars universe, one from

the Marvel universe. So the one from Star Wars,

of course, is the infamous Darth Maul. Yes. And

the one from the Marvel universe. He I mean,

he is. The stick no, he's a lot of weapons, but

he does use a stick and that of course is gambit.

Oh So again, not necessarily a traditional matchup,

but I thought like they're their powers interesting

counterbalance. So So gambit Darth Maul. I go

first go right ahead Here's how I see it playing

out Gambit goes a Mona me nice hairstyle tosses

a card at him And then Darth Maul, the card is

charged of course, throws it at him and Darth

Maul just kind of flicks it back with his Jedi

mind and throws it back telekinetic force and

throws it back into his face and that exposes

Gambit, Darth Maul wins. Well, make a good point

there. Chuck, do you say differently, you go

in Darth Maul as well or making a case for Gambit?

I don't know. I mean, Gambit can be a pretty

ferocious fighter when he wants to be. He does

have a tendency to get too cocky as well and

kind of not pay attention and get taken out.

So exactly what I said. Yeah. You know, being

a little overconfident and everything. That's

a good matchup. I love both of these characters,

too, so it's tough. But I think just to avoid

rambling, I think I'm going to go with Darth

Maul as well. I think the Gambit's power is dangerous,

of course, when he has something charged. I know

he can even charge his staff and strike objects

and transfer the power to them and stuff, but

I think that double -edged lightsaber is just

badass and... It's gonna cut right through his

bow staff. Yeah, I think, you know, with Darth

Maul's speed and everything and agility, I know

Gambit's naturally agile and everything. I'm

leaning towards Darth Maul there with the Force

and... with the double edged lightsaber being

more dangerous. Chuck, didn't you tell me once

that once upon a time Gambit had the ability

his powers were much stronger at one point? Yeah,

I think Mr. Sinister did some work on him and

kind of boosted him to a much higher level. He

actually. I think he had the ability to just

explode people by looking at them. He didn't

even have to touch anything. And then I think

he could also have a force field around him because

there was some stuff there where him and Rogue

were actually going to have a real relationship

because his force field was so strong that touching

her wouldn't even affect him at all. So yeah,

he has been adjusted now and then. He's been

adjusted He's been to the adjustment bureau.

He's been to the superpower chiropractor Yeah,

yeah, I'm gonna try to make a case for gamma,

but I think at the end of the day Darth Maul's

powers are pretty Expansive compared to gamuts.

I mean the telekinesis thing is a good point

But he mean he has gave it has fought people

with telekinesis before I think there are ways

to get around it Maybe not to the length of that

of the force I do think like not maybe if his

staff was like adamantium or whatever Maybe with

us the lightsaber couldn't cut through it. He

would have a better shot on it. But yeah, I just

think that Darth Maul is too much fierce of a

warrior and Too I think too intense for that

of gamut to kind of hold his own against him

But I will say I was sorry to interrupt you Dan.

I will say I think Gambit has a certain level

of protection against psychics Because I know

it's it's been difficult for Xavier to read Gambit's

mind It's part of his mutant power and I don't

think any like Jedi mind tricks would work on

them that well But I think I think with the other

assets at earth mall have has it would be more

than enough Yeah, I mean it's hard to be a double

-edged lightsaber. It's yeah, it's very true

very true though I mean young Obi -Wan Kenobi

did kill him so Maybe he's not invincible. I

don't know. So basically what I'm saying is Obi

-Wan Kenobi is our only hope in this situation

Yeah, he was the only hope Gambit's not the only

hope I mean you got 12 other X -Men so So Greg,

do you have any other matchups for us? Yes, I

do me being me I had to have I had to have a

superhero cat fight. I just had to and I think

one of the most awesome, sexiest cat fights out

there would be Marvel's Green Giantess, the Jade

She -Hulk, up against DC's Lady Bruiser, Wonder

Woman. Nice. Chuck, you want to go first? Yeah,

I mean, it sounds like an intriguing matchup,

but I think there's never really doubt in my

mind I got to give it to Wonder Woman. I think

her strength would actually equal or surpass

She -Holks. And I know I've read some comics

where Batman has admitted that Diana is the best

hand -to -hand combatant on the planet. And that's,

you know, and Batman says that about someone

that's pretty high praise. But yeah, I'd have

to go with Wonder Woman just by brute force and

plus she can fly and the speed and, you know,

strategery that goes along with that. So I think

she could use that to her advantage in her her

hand -to -hand skills and her strength. I Think

I'd go and go with Wonder Woman on that one Hmm.

I feel like has Wonder Woman strength kind of

varied I feel like sometimes she's like as strong

as Superman. Sometimes she's just like normal

strength well in the early comics when they You

know, they wanted to show her in bondage, you

know, they apparently Apparently she didn't have

much strength then That's all what the artist

is trying to do. I guess. I don't know Okay,

I mean I guess based on my cartoon. She's pretty

equal to that of So, I mean I guess they would

be equal. I don't know I mean she hold is you

know, she has she has her things going for her

But I think she's more brute force She's not

necessarily the trained warrior of that of Wonder

Woman and if they have equal strength Going against

the more trained warrior against someone who

uses strength first though. I mean She hope could

also call him the Hulk and you know But then

what a woman to call in Superman and then that

Marvel versus Capcom where you call in your third

character And then eventually get the Galactus

and it's like alright, but yeah, I think we're

going Wonder Woman I think The training the just

her like her combat skills like Greg I like Chuck

mentioned but I Want to say she hulk, but I I

guess I have no reason to I will throw in a tidbit

that She hulk did did once defeat the champion

of the universe If anybody knows who that is

Hulk Hogan This is not in his own mind. It's

in everyone's. But everyone agrees is the champion

of the universe. Yeah. The big blue guy with

the red hair. It's a guy who came to Earth to

fight like and fought like the thing. Right.

And yeah, he's he has spent, you know, 20 million

years perfecting his. Fighting skills and was

undefeated in battle and she hulk was the first

ever Person to defeat him in battle. So she does

have that going forward. So I guess I guess there's

always that punchers chance or whatever Yeah,

I guess you know what in a fight between Wonder

Woman and green and She hulked the person who

wins is Greg So Greg who would you choose in

this? Unlike you guys, I think She -Hulk is definitely

the stronger of the two combatants. And She -Hulk

has a lot more intelligence than I think you

guys are giving her credit for. Yes, she's not

trained in battle strategies and stuff like that,

but I think she does have the intelligence to

at least keep it even with her powers. I think

where the problem lies for She -Hulk is when

Diana brings out the toys of her lasso and kind

of... Isn't the lasso unbreakable? Yeah. The

lasso of truth. So I think once Wonder Woman

breaks that out, I think She -Hulky will be all

done. It's all fun and games until they break

out the toys. Yeah. What's the safety word? Smash

that is the safety word But uh, yes, I'm definitely

the winner after that battle. So Someplace somewhere

somebody lonely comic book artists is drawing

this battle as we speak I think that's been drawn

already a couple of times. I'm sure it has Was

it rule 36 or something rule 36 34? Do you don't?

Neither of you know? Look it up. I don't order

66. No, no. Look up either rule 34 or 36. I forget

exactly. Wait a minute. Is this something I want

to look up? There will be a definition on the

first page. I'm pretty sure. So if you look that

up on the internet, don't click on any of the

links, but just look at the description underneath.

I think it gives you the description. That's

very nice. All right, Chuck, what's your what's

your next matchup? Oh, crap. Crap versus what?

Mr. Hanky. Crap versus P. The Christmas poo.

He loves me and I love you. Well, I have one

going with a character that you picked previously,

Dan, so I'm not sure if I want to bring like

a character up a second time, although it is

an intriguing matchup. I think it's fine. Okay,

let's give it a shot so the first first character

would be Green Lantern and that is how Jordan

Green Lantern and I would pit him against his

Marvel counterpart Nova Prime Richard Ryder himself

Interesting what you guys think of that Richard

Ryder it is serious that you pay attention at

this time Well, are we going with Nova like when

he was after annihilation where he was like You

had all the prime force or what what have you

that was a good one on that? Yeah, nova nova

prime not just the regular nova, but the nova

prime And that's yeah, that was I love that series.

That was that was good. Let's talk about that

series some more Wow, that's tough because it

was regular nova wouldn't really be a contest

I don't think because Greenland I feel like well,

I just said that dr. Strange could read Green

Lantern. So Then this comes up man Tough tough

one. I feel like I'm not as well versed in Green

Lantern to to be fair So I'm really just going

off of what I have read in mostly the cartoons

and whatnot That awful movie an awful movie though,

I think in this one I would go I think their

powers are pretty equal but when I said dr. Strange

had more versions Could be more versatile with

his with his powers. I think Nova's powers are

pretty much straightforward. There's not much

there. I think with the ring. There's a fucking

lot of it Yeah, there is I just wonder if Green

Lantern would be able to keep him at a distance

but Guess with number prime though. He has all

the prime for so it's like making all the Green

Lanterns into one So is it really would he just

be able to overpower it? I don't know. I Yeah,

and this one's tough. This isn't it's really

difficult, but I'm gonna go I'll say Green Lantern

But I am sure you guys might be convinced me

otherwise just because I think he could maybe

go with more ranged attacks kind of keep his

distance and Try to just stay away from him as

much as possible. Just like hit and run type

of tactic which could maybe work for him I don't

know. Just a thought. Greg, what do you think?

I'm going to go with Nova. I think Nova is just

too powerful and too fast with that Nova force.

And he's got a lot more intelligence than the

Green Lantern because he's got the Nova... What

was it called? Nova... the world yeah yeah world

mind uh in his head feeding him information and

he he has a lot of willpower as well and uh like

i said for the first matchup all you really have

to do is get the the ring off them like batman

did you're all good so i'm gonna i'm gonna go

with uh nova okay i think i'm gonna second that

i'm i think i'm gonna go with nova prime as well

Like like you said Greg, I'm kind of gonna second

your Take on the power level. I know like everyone

says in DC. The most powerful weapon is the Green

Lantern ring But you look at you talking about

Nova Prime He is you know, all the power of the

Nova core and when you have like a super smart

Computer inside your helmet basically, you know

feeding you tactics and pointing out things that

maybe you wouldn't have thought of because I

know I remember reading that Nova series and

there were times where like he wasn't quite sure

what to do but the world mind would kind of point

things out to him and he'd be like oh yeah you

know and so he'd kind of learn from that and

stuff but he's he's super fast like he's able

to fly I think maybe he he might be the one that

would be more effective at hit and run tactics

with with the speed that he would possess. Plus

he can open up wormholes. Oh, yeah, that's yeah,

that's right. He can Tonight I would almost put

him away I would almost put him on a level of

some of the Galactus Heralds maybe not quite

like a silver server, but maybe some of the other

Heralds I kind of have him on that level and

Yeah, I gotta go with Nova Prime and that when

I think that he he would just overpower GL with

with the amount of power that he has. And you

look at one of the key things was from Annihilation

when he beat Annihilus. And do you guys remember

how he beat Annihilus? It was I believe I do,

but I'm going to let you tell it. It was kind

of reminiscent of the end of the Godzilla movie.

He just pretty much pried his jaw open, rammed

his fist right down his throat. And I think he.

Ripped his heart out or something like that So

that was pretty badass because the Nihilus has

no joke he's you know super tough Character from

the negative zone and you know Nova pretty much

beat his ass, but Yeah, Nova prime for me Alright,

I wish they would bring that that character back.

I haven't read it in a while. I think they have

Ed McGinnis drawing it at this point. I'm not

sure who's doing the artwork, but I think he's

like a kid again at this point or something.

But I wish they would bring back that run. And

who did they have for the cover artist? The cover

artist during that time was fucking superb for

that character. That was just a great mix of

everything. It had great... Artwork all the way

through the storylines were just great and he

was an awesome character and him fighting with

world mine about different things Because they

didn't agree they didn't see eye to eye and it

was very entertaining Yeah, and him up against

what's it called? The the it's a virus virus

Is that it? Yeah, something like that. I can't

name right now, but that was also like Quite

interesting him battling that and everything

and So yeah, I wish they would bring that those

writers and artists back on that wasn't it the

phalanx it was the same the same race that tried

to You know tangle with the x -men back in the

90s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Cuz they've got that

weird character. That's on New new X no not new

No, no, the next. Yeah, the New Mutants. Yeah.

Yeah, that was a warlock, I think. Yeah, warlock.

Yeah, it was his his species. But yeah, that

that series was fantastic. I remember I think

I have like the first like 30 or 40 issues of

that or whatever. But like the cover artist was

phenomenal and all the dialogue in there was

like really entertaining book. Yeah, agreed.

All righty. You guys want to make this the last

round? Sure sure I'm surprised we even brought

this character up. I think mostly because I feel

like when you bring this character up It's just

like yeah, of course you he wins everything he's

he's he's preparation time and blah blah blah

blah blah But that not the that's characters

bad, but I feel like people it's like the chump

card of anything and that character Of course

is Batman. I'm Batman Who are you gonna fight

Batman? Not Superman not Captain America, but

I'm gonna go with someone that I think I might

Think differently than you guys on how this goes

out. But we'll see. And I'm going to say Batman

going up against. We kind of brought him up already

today. Black Panther. Who would win in that fight?

Battle of the pointy ears and black costumes.

Well, Black Panther definitely wins on strength

if we're just going off that Black Panther is

very intelligent and he. does have a lot of resources

at hand that he can use. He's got a lot of toys

that he could bring into play as well. He is

definitely a Marvel Universe Batman character.

I think the only reason he doesn't get as much

praise is because of the character himself, the

personality and the characters around him, his

villains and whatnot. But I might go with Black

Panther on this because he is a very intelligent

guy. He's got power I think Batman might have

more training which would make it a little bit

more level and They both have fun toys, but I'm

not sure if there's anything comparable to vibranium

in the DC universe But I think I might go with

the the Black Panther actually Wow little surprise

there Chuck, do you agree you're going with the

bat? I think I'm gonna go with the bat. It's

definitely an intriguing matchup. It's definitely,

you know, someone that can give Batman a run

for his money for sure. I guess what I would

look at is like Thanos once said that the person

that he kind of keeps an eye on on Earth, the

one person that he keeps an eye on is Doctor

Doom. And I feel like if he was in the DC universe,

I feel like that one person would be Batman.

So I guess, I guess if I'm using that to scale

it, it would seem to me like, and just the impression

of stuff that I've read and seen over the years,

it seems like Batman is more deserving of that

respect. I know Black Panther has had some great

feats in and of himself, and I think he's, you

know, Fuck Captain America to a standstill and

stuff like that Chris he's got his vibranium

toys, which would pretty much trump Batman's

toys But I think I think Batman would find a

way to win somehow If that makes sense, yeah,

I mean I get what you're saying. Basically, he

does have that strategic preparation. That is

that is kind of second to none He's really great

at finding weaknesses in people but but I think

so is Black Panther and I honestly thought you

got both to go with Batman so Surprise there,

but I'm going Black Panther for a couple reasons

Mainly because yeah, they're very similar in

a lot of ways. They both have a lot of toys I

think if the one person who has more resources

than Bruce Wayne would be Black Panther he has

entire country that he's going you know going

with and think about Wakanda is it's never been

invaded even in the secret evasion It didn't

get invaded and one thing about Black Panther

is he also has elements of the mystical arts

as well at his disposal Not just his fighting

skills plus Black Panther has basically been

training since he was a young child to be a warrior.

I mean, he's the son of a king, and he's been

training his entire life to basically survive.

Like they say, in Dark Knight Rises, Batman adopted

the shadows. Black Panther wasn't born in shadows,

but he was certainly born in a culture where

he had to basically fight for everything he earned.

And regarding the... Fighting toe -to -toe with

Captain America. I think Captain America is pretty

much equal to that of Batman when it comes to

Fighting skills, so I'm pretty sure they're equal

there as well I just think he has more resources

and I think the mystical arts element will help

him and I know I think the vibranium is a pretty

big chump card So I think Black Panther would

actually take it from Batman. I know two people

saying Black Panther over Batman's probably gonna

incite a lot of hatred because Batman's often

I feel like everyone always says Batman. He'll

just prepare and do it But uh, I think and you

talked about dr. Doom. There's actually in the

one black pants my line Black Panther met with

dr. Doom and dr. Doom made it evident that the

one person he might respect more than any other

and is keeps an eye on more than any other is

that of that of Black Panther because I think

Black Panther he has the the intelligence equal

to that of doom, so Something to keep in mind.

So maybe it'll just be like a standstill to maybe

it'll be a stalemate But I give a slight edge

to the big Black Panther finish All right, Chuck,

Greg, did you have another one? Yeah, I was thinking

we'd have a little bit of a technology battle

with cyborg from DC versus Iron Man from Marvel

I Guess I'll start here since I ended last time

I feel like I'm I need to trade in my geek arcs

I don't know a great deal about cyborg besides

what I saw in the comic books but he can seem

like he can pretty much take any type of technology

make it his or His body is almost all technology

in a way almost like a terminator But I think

I'd go iron man because I feel like iron man

is more intelligent per se and I think maybe

has more resources But like I said, I don't know

a great deal about cyborg except for that He

was in Teen Titans and Justice League War, so

I don't know. Greg Chuck, do you disagree with

me or would you go Iron Man as well? I don't

know. This one is tough. Honestly, this might

be the toughest one of the night for me. Not

really sure which way to go on this. I know,

like you said, Cyborg is like most of his body

is technology and he could pretty much plug into

any, you know, computer mainframe and, you know,

do wonders with that. I know Tony Stark's a master

of getting electronics to work for him, kind

of commandeering other people's systems and hacking

into them and stuff like that. So, boy, I think

I'm going to defer to Greg here and see what

he says and see if anything persuades me. I'm

going to go with Iron Man, actually, because

Yes, I think at some point Cyborg will try and

attack the armor and get into it, but I think

that Tony has the intelligence of the technology

itself to crack around it and hack back and reverse

it and get back. and maybe even hack into the

organics of his human side. I just think Tony's

intelligence is a little bit higher than Cyborg

to win out. And the funny thing is, I don't know

that much about Cyborg either and I picked this

match up. So I think I'd go with Iron Man in

the win just for his technology, his intelligence.

Yeah, I don't think I really helped you out much,

Chuck. A little bit. You make some great points.

And I mean, just from what I've seen of Cyborg,

he doesn't make the impression on me that he's

one of those really high level characters that

would garner that type of respect that Iron Man

would. I just think Iron Man has designed his

suits to pretty much trump any other electronics

in the world, and pretty much be prepared for

anything. I just get that impression that Iron

Man would take this, so I'm gonna have to make

it unanimous and go with Mr. Stark. Alrighty.

So, Chalky, you have your final battle for tonight.

How's it looking? I do. And for the final battle,

we're gonna get away from all the... All the

high level stuff we're gonna go down to street

level. It's gonna be a good old -fashioned brawl.

Skill versus skill. Going Winter Soldier versus

Nightwing. Interesting. I think I'll pick this

one up. I love Winter Soldier. I think he's a

great character. I think I would go Winter Soldier

over Nightwing because I think Winter Soldier

is a little bit more ruthless than that of Nightwing.

He has the same amount of agility and you have

to consider the fact that bucky barnes was captain

america and he held his own as captain america

and Two he uses guns And he he will cross that

line and kill if necessary unlike unlike that

of not uh Forgot his name already. Jesus Nightwing

nightwing. It's funny. Yeah, I think winter soldier

has more experience. I think he's a better hand

-to -hand combat fighter and if you look at all

the skills that Nightwing has I think winter

soldier has it but in but increase in the fact

that the SL has a metal arm with enhanced strength

also is a big plus and Again, another guy who

can fight toe -to -toe with Captain America and

not many people can do that. So I go winter soldier

Very nice. Greg. What say you? I think Dan made

a lot of good points Winter Soldier definitely

has a lot of weapons on his side. He's got all

the guns. He's not I don't think towards the

end there He was that much into killing people,

but I don't think he might if it happened. It

wasn't too bad I don't think he would try and

kill Nightwing since he's a he's a decent guy

But then the Winter Soldier has that frickin

awesome cyborg arm situation going on on the

side there that Nightwing's going to have a lot

of trouble with. I think Nightwing's advantage

is his agility and probably a little bit speedier,

especially since he doesn't have that weight

of that arm holding him back. Nightwing has a

lot of training, but I don't think he's been

as seriously trained. No offense to Batman, but

I don't think he's been as seriously trained

as Winter Soldier, I think Winter Soldier kind

of took his training a little bit more seriously

since he was under he was trained by the the

Russians under hypnosis. He was trained under

hypnosis, whereas Nightcrawler was trained by

Batman, yes, but I don't think he took it as

seriously as Bruce Wayne took his training. And

I think Winter Soldier has taken a little bit

more seriously. So I think he has the advantage

in the Planning a militaristic style plus they

never Bucky has been shown to be pretty decent

intelligent wise and when Nightwing was Batman

for a little while he he wasn't really as big

as detective as Bruce was I'm gonna go with Winter

Soldier and I kind of blabbered my way through

that one Well, I do I do defer to you a little

bit there Greg because you've read a little bit

more of the modern Batman stuff than I have.

So you're probably a little bit more familiar

with Nightwing than I am. I would argue that

Nightwing in hand -to -hand could possibly be

better than Winter Soldier since you're talking

about growing up as Robin working with Batman

since he was a teenager. He may have been Well,

I guess I couldn't say that either I was gonna

say maybe he's he's trained longer, but you know,

you look at the the winter soldier soldier been

fighting since Since he was picked up there in

World War two. So There goes my argument Now

I honestly when I posed this I kind of had it

in my mind that I would go winter soldier I was

trying to think of some good reasons to kind

of pick Nightwing to kind of make it interesting.

But I think, like Dan said, the I think the weapons

training is more extensive with Winter Soldier.

I know Nightwing has his cream of sticks and,

you know, hand to hand, obviously. But Winter

Soldier is very highly trained in weapons and

strategy, I think, like battle strategy and stuff

like that. Honestly, the cyborg arm gives him

a huge advantage. It really does. You see In

the Captain America movie, it gave Captain America

a tough time, you know, just trying to adjust

to that. I think I'd have to agree with you guys

and go with Winter Soldier. OK, very nice. So

if you agree or disagree with any of our choices,

feel free to to sound off in the comments section.

All right. But before we bring this episode to

a close, we will continue our unknown saga with

episode five, chemical imbalance. It's night

at the University of Monmouth. A brick building

that contains the Science Center is quiet and

dark. Almost all of it, but one of the laboratories

is active. Speakers with different colored liquids

sit atop, flaming Bunsen burners. A man in black

sits upon a stool, mumbling, looking at the pile

of papers in front of him. This has to work.

It needs to work. Everything is right here. It

all adds up. This is the night. This is the night

that I will show them. I will show them that

I was right. They were wrong. They were wrong

to fire me. A small noise on the other side of

the room goes unnoticed by the man as two security

guards enter the room. You there. Who are you

and what are you doing here? I'm Dr. Garrett

Wright. You must leave me be. Making history

here. Looks like we got another crazy here, Frank.

If you would please come with us, sir. We have

some important questions for you. I can't do

that. I'm at a critical stage. It needs to be

monitored. And I am not crazy. Sir, you need

to come with us now. Garrett pulls a gun from

the desk and points it at the two guards. Put

it down. It doesn't need to be like this. I won't.

I will not back down again. Never again. This

formula will save millions of lives. It is my

life. Give us the gun! No! Now that the interruption

is concluded, back to work. He walks towards

the end of the workbench covered with all manners

of glass implements filled with various liquids

at all sorts of temperatures. He walks to the

very last beaker and picks it up. It contains

a thick red liquid that looks somewhat like blood.

A black shade smashes through the large pane

glass window. Shards of deadly sharp glass go

flying and scattering in the room, and an even

deadlier blade is held in the Shade's hands.

Garrett Wright, we need to talk. Unknown stands

in a guarded pose, ready for whatever may come.

Garrett Wright's eyes are in a crazy search for

an exit. That is until a heavy weight in his

hand reminds him of the gun that he has brought.

Leave me alone. Why won't any of you leave me

alone? Unknown jumps to action as his sword swinging

around deflecting bullets like they did that

night that night He killed right runs out of

bullets and charges either not caring about the

sword or to craze the care Unknown's reflexes

set to action and try to block the man running

at him, but everything happens too quick, even

for him. He makes a mistake. The sword runs straight

through Garrett Wright's stomach. Weakly, he

speaks. I can fix this. I can fix this. Oh, no,

no, not again. With a quick flick of the wrist,

Garrett tosses his newly made elixir into the

back of his throat and swallows. Then his body

goes lax and dangles. Unknown lowers the body

to the floor and walks over to the dead security

guards. I was too late. To save the guards, yes,

but at least you avenged their deaths. I didn't

want that either. I just wanted some answers.

The sound of Dragonstone suddenly begins to fill

the room. That might be possible after all. Alright

and welcome back. I hope you enjoyed episode

5 of unknown chemical imbalance But I think that's

gonna be it for this week. You guys have anything

else before we bring this episode to a close?

I guess I'll take that as a no. I am officially

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sure to join us next week. Same time, same channel,

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Chuck. This has been Greg, or Nosferatu. And

this has been Dan, the male Dan, and we've been

talking in circles. We'll see you next week.

Was that a Thor reference? That was a Thor reference.

Or do you have like a twin sister that's also

named Dan? I'm really confused, Dan! There's

a lot of ways to go with this, but I'm going

somewhere of a Thor reference. Okay. I thought

you were going with something like mailman, but

mail Dan. Let's take a mailman named Dan. I'm

a Dan Deliberately message. Uh, I don't know.

Oh, man. Sounds wrong.