Crashing, Legion, and Logan

Hi, this is Kyle Higgins and you're listening

to the Geek Patch Radio Network. You are now

on the inside of what I like to call the circle

of trust. We are all connected in a great circle

of life. You know something, Bert? What? I think

you and I are going in circles. It feels like

we're going in circles. The circle is now complete.

When I left you, I was but a learner. Now I am

the master. Because it's a circle. Yeah, we heard

about the circle. Yeah, I swear, it really would

change. Hi, this is Chuck. This is Craig. And

this is Dan. In the meantime, we're talking in

circles about whether to cast Radio Network.

The podcast that is back is to talk about the

world of the X -Men with the latest release of

Logan. Yesterday we'll be discussing that and

all its glory in guts. I guess plenty of guts

for sure But before we get to talking about Logan,

how's week been going for you guys things been

going I guess I'm gonna start it off on a negative

I got so sick on Sunday sitting here playing

fallout 4 Which I'm getting bored with by the

way, I'm kind of Pretty much done with the game

100 % complete, but I was sitting there nearly

pooped my pants Did a penguin walk to the bathroom

and just how long were you playing that game?

pretty long pretty long But like I went to the

bathroom and then after that I was like, I don't

feel like I'm going to eat any dinner tonight

or anything. I'm not feeling good. So I kind

of stopped playing the video game and it was

just kind of watching TV. And then I'm like,

Oh, I gotta go to the bathroom again. And as

it proceeded through the night, it just kept

getting worse. And I ended up having a bucket

in my lap while sitting on the toilet and just

releasing from. both ends of me. It was awful.

It was like the South Park episode where Kenny's

dad keeps throwing up and crapping at the same

time. It was awful. Not solid from anywhere.

It was just all liquid and water. It was definitely

that stomach thing that's going around. I'm still

kind of recovered from it. Well, like Logan,

I think this will definitely be an explicit podcast

this time around. Yeah, well, that's that's a

mental image. I do not need whatsoever. So yeah,

it was not pretty. I felt bad for my mom. My

dad hid downstairs. My mom was like helping me

out and I was just not giving a shit. So I was

like open the door wide. We didn't. You had plenty

to give. So it sounds like you were given quite

a few. It's awful. It was the worst I've ever

been sick. I've never had anything like that

before. I hope it wasn't the place where we hung

out after the movie. Well, you would have felt

it already, Chuck. Yeah, I think I would have.

I'm sure you would have felt it already. Of course,

I didn't have the same thing as you, though,

so maybe it was something specific. Maybe, but

that was Friday night and this was Saturday around

three o 'clock, maybe. That's weird. Yeah, well

Wow, that's that's that's awful, but on a completely

different note whatsoever One thing I wanted

to bring up and talk about that's not expert

related a comic book related in any realm But

is a TV show that I'm watching that is somewhat

podcast related oddly enough I don't know if

you guys know Pete Holmes. He's a comedian He

had a show on TBS like after Conan for a while.

He's a podcast Batman stuff that you guys like

like yes It was each raid, baby. He is you made

it weird podcasts and they're just well He is

now doing a show on HBO was partnering with Judd

Apatow called crashing and it's loosely based

on his life little background in his life like

he I was like growing up he married his high

school sweetheart and he was trying to make it

in comedy and then things didn't go out so well

and it's kind of worth it. I don't want to give

anything away because the first episode's pretty

much about that and it's kind of about the fallout

of some things that happened to him and his attempt

to make it into the world of comedy. It's in

the realm, I think, of something like Marin from

Marc Marin and Louis, but it's its own little

realm. It's weird watching the show. I've watched

the first two episodes and it's almost like plotless

in a way. It's just... It's funny. Pete Holmes

is great. As someone who's listened to a lot

of his comedy, you see a lot of his jokes come

up. I know I'm familiar with some of the stories

he's talking about because I've heard him talk

about them. He was recently on the Nerdist podcast

itself and kind of went over some of these stories,

but it's certainly a dramatized version of it.

If you do like those shows and you do like Pete

Holmes, I think you would certainly enjoy it.

His first episode had Ari Lang from a certain

show. Legendary comedian and and he was also

TJ Miller showed up in the second episode for

many guys He's a he's a dude who was in transformers

5 and Also Yogi bear, of course forget Yogi bear

weasel. Yes So I in weasel. Yeah from Deadpool

to true. I forgot about that So as someone who

enjoys stand -up and enjoys that world, I like

it a lot I don't necessarily know at this point

with only two episodes that I saw that it's really

Breaking the mold compared to shows that came

before but I think there's potential there mostly

because of Pete Holmes he's kind of this like

deer in headlights really just not knowing the

world and and Had a really huge throwback when

the second episode featured as George's place

song that my sister used to listen to like your

much of her life and many people don't know who

George or Clay's are and that's fine and it was

just it was weird it was unexpected and funny

moment for me I don't know if it'd be funny moment

for a lot of people but I would definitely recommend

it it's a good addition to HBO shows not nearly

to the level of something like Silicon Valley

but it could get there it's only like I said

I think there's like four episodes out now I've

only saw the first two but you know Chuck you

have watched or listened or read something that

it's more X -Men related so I figured you could

Talk about that. I have figured it'd be a good

show to bring it up since we were talking about

Logan. It is in fact a TV show, and I don't know

if you guys have watched it yet, but I'm sure

a lot of people out there have, and that is Legion.

I recorded the first, or got to the first episode

and fell asleep not because of the show, just

because I fell asleep past... 830 I can't say

it past 830 anymore because I'm old yeah old

man problems hashtag I I didn't have that problem

but I haven't seen it either so all right you

you guys need to turn your microphones off right

now close your computers and go watch it I honestly

think it's that good I I've been totally in love

with this show so far, which is really surprising

because I did not expect to like it. I was extremely

skeptical. I didn't know a whole lot about it

coming out. I didn't really see any clips or

anything, any trailers sort of things. So I was

like, you know, comic book TV shows, you know,

they're hit and miss. Some of them are good,

like Flash and Arrow in the beginning. even though

that's trailed off a lot and then some of them

are just a complete swing and a miss so especially

something about our beloved X -Men I was a little

bit a little bit skeptical of to say the least

but this doesn't deal anything with the regular

X -Men but there's there's certainly some references

to it there's like in a lot of the shots you

see different things with like the the X symbol

in the background and different things and kind

of pick it out, which is kind of cool. But right

now it's not connected to anything with the X

-Men in a concrete way, but they do, in fact,

talk about mutants and mutant powers and stuff

like that. So that's pretty interesting. But

basically, I mean, if you don't know anything

about Legion from the comics, he was the son

of Charles Xavier and someone by the name of

Gabriel. Haller, so Legion's name is David Haller

and he's basically Has multiple personalities

and extremely powerful telepath telekinesis Pyrokinesis

which he start fire with his mind and Teleportation

and stuff like that. So crazy powerful and I

think it was even something to do with like each

of his personalities Had a different power or

something like that. I never read too much of

him in the comics in the 90s What I remember

him most from is the fact that he kind of launched

the Age of Apocalypse storyline. That's kind

of my most favorite memory of him. I guess for

the most part, that's kind of all you really

need to remember. In a lot of ways, it wasn't

an extremely successful character other than

that point. But in the show, it kind of starts

out with him. I'm not going to give too much

away, but I'll just give you the gist. It starts

out with him. It shows him in a mental institution.

And the actor, I forget his name now, does a

phenomenal job. His name is Dan Stevens. I really

like him. I like his little nuances to the character

and how he handles. having this condition or

so we think. That's kind of something else about

the show that's very ambiguous and it's very

intellectual in that you kind of have to figure

out what's happening. And it may not be everyone's

cup of tea, but there's, especially in the beginning

in the first episode or two, there's situations

where a whole scene will get replayed. And when

I started watching it, I thought, I thought my

computer skipped or something and it was like

playing. I was like, oh man, you know, I already

saw the scene. I, you know, I just got set back

like two minutes, but it was actually like, it's

playing the whole scene again. And there's like

one little thing different. And so you're kind

of like, you're trying to figure out, you know,

is this thing that's happening now? Is it happening

in reality or is it happening in his head? See

like remembering things differently. It's, it's

really intriguing. Like it's, it's kind of hard

to explain until you see it. Like I said, it

might not be for everybody, but I think it's

uh, it's really interesting and I would give

it a try and I'm about I Think it's five episodes

and I've saw them all including the one this

week the show as far as I know It's only running

for eight episodes to begin with And then I guess

they'll go from there. So they've they finished

five. They got three more So they pick up with

him in the mental institution and You know, he

has a couple of friends there a new girl comes

in, you know He shows some interest in her and

things like that. And then these things just

start happening some pretty crazy things and

that I don't want to give away but it's just

really I was hooked from like the first episode

and really like the second episode is really

what cemented me and I was Now I like look forward

to the show every week. It's almost like it's

probably on the level with flash for me. It's

like really exciting to me now. Man, that's like

ultimate praise right there. Yeah. Yeah. And

it's it's set in a modern setting, but there's

a lot of like references, a lot of imagery to

the 60s and 70s, which is pretty cool. Like I

know the one character there's something sort

of on the astral plane which is cool because

they kind of introduced that concept and You

know, he's still dressed in his like 70s clothes

and stuff like that like his leisure suit and

stuff. So Pretty cool there another cool thing

about this that the same basically the same crew

from like all the x -men movies You know Brian

Singer Simon Kinberg Lauren Shuler Donner. They're

all working on this so you have the same creative

team from like a lot of x -men movies and stuff

like that and logan uh working on this to kind

of i guess keep a little bit of consistency with

uh with their other work and you know making

sure that it doesn't get out of hand too much

because obviously they know that universe and

how to handle those characters and stuff like

that so wow i now i really have to check it out

i'm i'm actually kind of surprised i didn't i

didn't know if you would like that Are not just

based upon what I saw of it and that's that's

cool. I'm looking forward to catch it up. Catch

it out. Yeah, that's not a stating I would definitely

say it's like a psychological Almost like a psychological

thriller type of thing like You know, like I

said, there's there's a little bit of ambiguity

like He's sort of been told his whole life that

he has multiple personalities and he's schizophrenic

and then he's got These other people telling

him that he's not schizophrenic. That's just

his mutant power. So it's it's really cool to

try to figure out Things that are happening in

the show Which side does it fall on? So you're

kind of like figuring it out as David holler

is figuring it up going on the journey with them

and stuff. So Cool I have to make room for that.

And of course riverdale, which is now on cw because

that looks And by the way if you If you guys

like, uh, it's um, it's like a weird time slot.

It's Wednesday nights from 10 to 11. Um, so it's

kind of a late, but, uh, you can go to, uh, their

website FX now .com and watch it on there whenever.

So do you need to have like a cable login for

that to work? I think you might. Okay. I know

I didn't have to log in anything. It just said

like, select your. Service provider, and I just

clicked on it and so started playing I didn't

have to like sign up or log in anything like

that, but Usually FX channels do eventually show

up on like either Hulu or Netflix like I just

finally watched started watching the OJ OJ show

on Netflix that was really interesting, but I'll

have to check that out very cool Alrighty anything

else before we take a quick break and come back

and talk about Logan I just have a book recommendation.

Oh, actually a book series. Uh, it's a graphic

novel by Brian Kayvon. I gave a review on like

the first and maybe second book in the series,

but, uh, I just finished up the whole thing.

It's why the last man, if you go back to the,

that earlier, uh, review, I, I believe I said

that I really liked it and I think people should

check it out. Still going through with that gets

a little weird in about, uh, mid fourth, uh,

fifth book where you're starting to get details

on why the the whole plague happened and everything

why there's only one male human and one male

monkey left on the planet and so it's it's it's

really good it gets kind of depressing but it

very much works with the story and as always

Brian Kayvon is is very impressive in his writing

I think this is a really great series so I would

definitely check it out so yeah why the last

minute i said i know i i read the first issue

of that i have no reason not to go back and won't

read it well when we go back we'll be talking

about logan and you know what if you haven't

listened or seen logan i would advise coming

back later because we're just gonna spoil the

hell out of it because it's more fun that way

so after this we'll be talking about the last

entry of the wolverine as we know it we'll see

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week. We'd absolutely love to have you. Alright,

and welcome back. Today we're gonna be discussing

Logan, the latest film in the X -Men franchise,

the third Wolverine film, and the second one

to get brought to us by director James Mangold,

who previously has made 310 to Yuma, Walk the

Line, and both of which I feel like have some

influences in this, but we're all huge X -Men

fans here with a lot of the movies. Obviously

no one here likes Wolverine Origins because we

don't hate ourselves, but considering a lot of

hype for this movie going in... potentially Hugh

Jackman's last movie. Greg, I'll start with you.

What were your overall thoughts about Logan?

Overall thoughts, I thought it was really good.

I liked the amount of violence in it. It was

definitely what you wanted to see for a Wolverine

movie, being a Wolverine fan, that type of violence.

I thought the story was a little weird, but I

was able to discount a lot of it because it is

supposedly a different timeline kind of situation

going on, even though they don't explicitly really

say that in the movie. So I kind of let go of

a lot of different things as an overall thing.

I liked it, but I kind of liked the Wolverine.

better, but this was still really good. The thing

that really killed it for me was the violence,

actually. And I loved the little girl that played

X -23. I thought she did a great job, and the

role was kind of perfect altogether for her.

It just got really weird for me, definitely later

on into the movie, where we could spoil her,

right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah Where the the weird clone

of Logan showed up? That looked exactly like

him and everything but younger that was that

was a bit bizarre to me I don't know why I could

stomach it better with Laura, but Aka x23 maybe

because it was in the comic but just seeing a

copy of Logan there it was a bit bizarre and

That just was weird to me and the the adamantium

bullet bringing that back was a little bit weird

to me as well. But overall, I thought it was

a lot of fun. It was definitely action packed.

Definitely a lot of emotion in there. Love the

relationship between Logan and X -23. But yeah,

I hope they make something more with that little

girl and hopefully the age stays appropriate

so they can keep that actress in as X -23 because

I seriously, she was my favorite part of the

movie. Yeah, definitely keen what was her name

and this is really the first movie like she's

she did a Spanish miniseries But this was the

first time she was anything like major and yeah,

she certainly was, you know a huge find a breakout

performance for sure I was a little worried because

you know x23 in the comics is usually she's a

little older. She's more of a At least in a lot

of portrayals that she's more of a teenager.

Yeah But I think it actually ended up working

out better this way. But I guess I'll go next,

and I'll be honest. I loved Logan a great deal.

I thought for me, honestly, it's... I'll give

me one of the best X -Men films, and out there

for me is one of the best comic book movies,

for a lot of reasons. Yeah, it's brutal, but

I thought the brutality was thematically appropriate

for the movie, and... I know a lot was made of

the art rating, but I think the art rating was

there not just because it wanted to have violence

or language, but more so to have a film that

was geared towards - To portray the character

correctly. That, and it was not necessarily needed

to worry about all the extracurricular aspects

of making a comic book movie, whether it be product

placement or movie placement or, you know, being

able to - take time and have those slower, more

methodical pace moments to really just focus

in on the movie at hand. And I thought thematically,

it's one of the most rich films out of the X

-Men franchise. I still love First Class. It's

still probably my favorite, but subjectively.

But objectively, I just thought it was one of

the best scripts out of any of the films in what

it represented. The relationship was able to

establish. Obviously there's a lot of parallels

to this and a lot of classic westerns. I mean

Shane is right there, front and center. But I

think even more so what came to my mind was,

you know, things like Unforgiven and how you

have a character at the helm who is attempting

to kind of battle his own demons, his own notoriety

and he's trying to escape the violence that has

kind of haunted him. his entire life and it's

just finding finding it more and more challenging

and finding the more he tries to escape the more

it confronts him and trying to find peace within

that and then that on top of the fact that you

have this relationship she's attempting to shy

away from and how that that's reflected in that

in the lore character The other thing that kind

of came to mind to talking about westerns was

you know, the man who shot Liberty Valance the

old line, you know Once the legend becomes fact,

print the legend. And this is taking place in

the world where that legend was printed. The

X -Men comics have been created. There's this

aura and legend about him as a person. And in

reality, he's like the man who shot Ludwig of

Liberty Valley. He's Jimmy Stewart in a barn.

telling the world he's that's not how it really

went but that's not what the world wants to hear

the legends already been come fact they want

the legend to be real and again and i think that's

was uh was a nice little touch it's obviously

very different than all the x -men films that

came before i couldn't imagine like watching

the wolverine and then watching this it would

be it would be very almost i would say somewhat

like a Like almost a whip like total whiplash

in a lot of ways, but I think that's fine. I

think that's okay I like how it kind of exists

within itself, but it's still very much tied

to what came before and it's really a culmination

of acclamation of everything all those films

and kind of what they're building up to and You

know, it's a certain level of tragedy, but I

also think what's good about it is that it doesn't

necessarily mean the end for these characters

because you know, it could just be its own little

thing and then exists in itself and then some

some like somewhat like the Old Man Logan comic

did and then you kind of go from there. Obviously

it's nothing like the Old Man Logan comic it

barely elements like the fact that it's there's

some themes that kind of match and it's a road

trip but beyond that it's nothing like that which

I was okay with but but yeah I'll stop rambling

but overall I kind of loved it. Chuck what were

your overall thoughts of Logan? I gotta say I

had a lot of mixed emotions about this movie.

Like I feel like objectively to me and I feel

like I should love it because there are a lot

of great things about it that I can point to

but for whatever reason I just can't really get

into it. Like I just didn't really care for it

overall. Like if you break it down piece by piece,

I can point to a lot of great reason. There's

you know, there's just something that's holding

me back from ranking it really high in in comic

movies and even X -Men movies. But I'll point

out some of the some of the good things first.

And one thing, like you had a great point with

me talking about the Westerns and stuff. Another

one, I would even argue that it reminds you of

is the Cowboys in a way with John Wayne. Cause

you have like all the group of young kids around

him and it's sort of like their father figure.

So at the, at the end of Logan, you sort of have

that dynamic going on where they're all kind

of looking up to him. So that was pretty cool.

I did enjoy that and all the references to, to

Westerns and stuff like that. My, my favorite

part of the movie to be honest was the interaction

with Xavier and Logan like where their relationship

has gone and stuff like that like they they kind

of bicker at each other but like you could see

Xavier is one of the few people in his life that

Logan actually loves and cares for So like in

a way like he feels like he has nothing but you

know, he's he's had Charles his whole life and

well not his whole life, but most of his adult

life. So I really loved their interaction. I

thought Patrick Stewart was very funny in a lot

of scenes, you know, especially the beginning

where he's like reciting the Taco Bell commercial

and stuff like that. That was hilarious. I was

cracking up. A lot of the scenes are great. I

thought the way they did his, you know, his telepathic

seizures or whatever they were, I thought that

was really cool. You know. you remember like

in some of the older x -men movies where he would

just like freeze everyone he would like freeze

time almost um so it was it was kind of like

that but it was it was a little off because everyone

was in a lot of pain and they kind of they knew

something was wrong they weren't like oblivious

to it um so i thought that was really cool i

think uh i'll echo what greg said about x -23

uh she was fantastic i love how you know they

really didn't give her any lines through most

of the movie i thought that made her impact even

greater I thought that was really cool and then

at the end you kind of it's like oh you can talk

you know and I thought that was the perfect way

to to do it um so I really enjoyed that and then

also you know this is kind of proof that you

can have you can have a good movie you can have

a great script without a love interest really

which is kind of a Weird weird prospect to some

people like you know a lot of people think of

an emotional movie it's like someone has to have

a love interest as far as a close relationship,

but this is more of like a a lot of father and

child relationship type of thing so it's a little

different and I think that's pretty cool that

whole dynamic so I Like that aspect of it They

had a family aspect with Xavier too because they

they set that up with kind of them having a Dinner

with that one family that got ran off the road

with the horses You can see them all sit down

and it was father son and grandchild Yeah, yeah,

I thought that was really cool. It was like I

think we've seen like plenty of love interest

for Logan over the years and his movies like

You know, you had Gene and what was the one from

Origins? I forget her name. Oh, Silver Fox. Yes.

And then you obviously have in the Wolverine.

And, you know, I think even there was a little

bit of flirtation with him and storm there for

a little bit. So there's like plenty of that.

I was I was glad to see them not throw in another

love interest for him, because I feel like that.

that was just kind of getting old. And it was

great to see this other aspect of his character.

So I really enjoyed that. But then for some of

the things that I didn't like, I'm sure there's

a ton of people that disagree with me. For whatever

reason, I didn't like the clone like Greg mentioned

that was, I mean, I understand the symbolism

of it, you know, and how younger versus the older

and, you know, there's things go deeper than

that and stuff, but it just kind of threw me

off personally for some reason. I didn't care

for it. And in the way, you know, the way the

final scene played out, the death scene, it just,

to me, like, I hated it because like, not because

of how it was, I guess not because of how it

was acted or anything. anything like that but

it just didn't seem like that's the way Wolverine

should die to me like on a tree stump in the

middle of the woods and he can't do a damn thing

like it just didn't seem like how he should go

out to me you know like kind of I guess in a

way it didn't go out fighting even though he

was fighting him he was kind of like basically

couldn't do jack against this guy um I know that's

that's there's a reason that they did that and

stuff but I just didn't care for it Yeah, I mean

I could not disagree more with that to be honest

with you because I felt like That that's not

what that was about like that's to me. That is

the ultimate Logan moment because it's not about

the physical act. It's about the emotional and

the fact that that's that's the moment the movie's

been building towards that ability to recognize

and let go of everything that came before and

Give himself a moment of peace and love for another

person to accept that paternal responsibility.

And I don't know, I thought that was a beautiful

moment. And if it was on a tree stump or in the

middle of a parking lot, to me, it's not necessarily

the location or it's the bravery and it's the

selflessness that he has been fighting against.

And that to me was what made that moment such

a... don't know I was teary -eyed watching that

and seeing you know, especially her reaction

saying daddy and it was the first time you saw

her in that light and him and like seeing both

of the the barriers that both of those characters

have clearly have it but allowing them to break

down those barriers and Like I don't know. It's

like the ultimate, you know, it's almost like

Shakespearean tragedy in that realm. So I was

thankful that You would you were able to get

that in a Logan movie. Yeah, no, I definitely

get that. I definitely understand. But for whatever

reason, I didn't I don't like it. Like I thought

there was there were other instances like in

past X -Men movies where he he did things that

weren't for himself, you know, sacrifices he

made killing Jean for one is extremely emotional

part of the character. I know we don't like to

talk about the last stand, but. you know there's

things like that and I look at the moments there's

so many moments that he was happy and and maybe

it's because you know those other characters

aren't around but it just seemed like they said

he's he said like bad things happen to to everyone

he cares about and stuff like that but he really

he really hasn't been miserable like that his

whole life like there were times when he was

extremely happy and I feel like in his older

age and his wisdom, I felt like he would have

been dealing with that better. I guess that's

just my take on it. I guess what I think we're

seeing is that those moments have been barred

in tragedy. It's evident that the X -Men have

been brutally killed by Xavier by accident and

everyone that he did love in the past. He's lived

nearly 200 years at this point. the person that

he's had great respect for has basically become

his own worst enemy. You know, he's had to see

him be killed. You know, this family he was just

living with had been killed. Like, yeah, I mean,

there were element moments in his life where

he did achieve happiness, but nearly every time

that happened, the end result was tragic, unfortunately.

And I agree with you that there were moments

where within the X -Men franchise that, yeah,

like he's certainly... Show you done things for

others and in the physical act But I think what

was different for me for this moment was wasn't

the physical nature of it wasn't the fact that

he was risking his life It was more so hit the

emotional aspect of it And and yeah, I agree

like you have his relationship with Jean but

for me it was it was just how better handled

it was with his relationship with Laura and this

and It was deeper than and I think you touched

upon it and I cow I wasn't a love interest. It

was you know wasn't the fact that he thought

she was cute and gave him an adamantium boner

it was because you know it was uh it was it was

something a little bit a little bit deeper as

i say so i guess that's that's what was different

for me compared to something like x3 that that

that he or you know even like i guess x2 we had

certain certain moments like that too i don't

know x -men i mean he had certain certain similar

similarities with a grog you know in the first

two x -men movies But I felt like it was a little

stronger. Like I get the. You know, the fact

that he's endured more loss in this film, you

know, compared to some of the other ones. But

I look at like his his immediate connection with

rogue in some of those like he'd already been

through a lot of crap in his life up to that

point, like all the wars he's been in and, you

know, even the way he grew up and the way. People

treated him and shunned him and things like that

and he had like an immediate connection with

rogue and he he always wanted to help The younger

ones and it seems like in this one. He's like

totally opposite. He's like extremely off putting

off put by The idea of a kid wanting to look

up to him or get help from or something like

that. I don't just seemed a Little inconsistent

my head. I don't know. Maybe I just wasn't looking

at the right way Mean, I guess it might have

been inconsistent with like the previous movies

in some way, but I guess There's obviously a

lot here a little a lot of empty space that we

don't know You know like like that we things

that are hinted at and things that are mentioned.

Yeah, so the you know, unlike say with the actually

old man Logan story where we eventually find

out why he won't pop those claws and this we

don't have that and you kind of led to think

that That maybe he was unresponsible for the

X -Men not being there because you know Xavier

Talks about like makes a comment about like what

did you do? What did you do? And later he finds

out it was him But yeah, I agree maybe like the

the sense of who he was as that original Wolverine

that we saw in the first X -Men movie, you know

in 2000 when he was like half the man that he

is now and the fact, you know body weight wise

and muscle mass wise but uh, yeah, but Guess

like the way I looked at it was there just there

were Pieces that the pieces that the person he

was then isn't who he is now and I felt like

it Like the opening scene in a way Established

that kind of how downtrodden he has become you

know the fact that like his life is dependent

upon it like a limo and Like that's his livelihood

and like that's his only hope and you know, it's

a guy who's been beaten down So I guess, you

know, continuity -wise, it's probably not the

worst thing that's actually happened in the X

-Men film, because what is this, like, the whole

time Caliban's been in a movie for a different

version of him? But I can see if, like, you're

looking for a continuation of the story that's

been building for the last few movies, it's not

necessarily the same thing, especially since

he has this aluminium skull back somehow, and

we don't know how that happened. I agree. I think

there's there's a lot of great aspects of this

movie. I'm not disagreeing with you on a lot

of them. I think it's more stems from the fact

of just what I was expecting kind of thing. Yeah.

If I could if I could look at the movie objectively,

it's like, yeah, this is extremely well written.

I mean, this is this is really great in those

ways. I almost think if I could make a suggestion

about it like. I think it almost would have been

more powerful if they had followed the not popping

the claws theme like in the comic in a way, because

it would have illustrated the way he felt that

guilt so much more, you know what I mean? If

he felt responsible for some of these things,

maybe that's why he's not popping his claws and

he's kind of taking an oath against violence.

I think that would have been maybe even more

powerful. Yeah. I kind of thought that was the

case at first. When like, he starts getting beat

up and I'm like, oh, maybe like that directs

are going to go with that. But, you know, quickly

that's not the case as he stabs a dude in the

head with his claws. So, yeah. Did you have any

other points? I didn't mean to cut you off. No,

that's about it. I was not fond of the adamantium

bullet being brought up again, but it wasn't

too, too bad, I guess. I definitely enjoyed the

movie. It was a fun watch. I didn't walk away

feeling like I just wasted my money or anything

like that. I did have a lot of fun watching it

and stuff, but I think expectation -wise, it

just kind of threw me for a little curveball

there and maybe be one of those things where

if I watch it on a second time or third time,

I might be like, wow, I really love this movie

more than before. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely

it's like like I mentioned it's unlike any of

the other X -Men films. It's It's not I don't

know. It's its own thing for sure. Like it takes

more from Terminator 2 than it does X -Men 2

You guys talked about the the clone villain part,

but what about the other the other antagonists

in this the Pierce played by Boyd Holbrooke who's

you know, who's What did you think of him as

like a presence as a character? any thoughts

Greg any thoughts on him? I thought it was really

cool that it was some violent guy that kind of

looked up to Wolverine in the past, but he was

a normal human, but just with this modified the

robot hand kind of situation going on with a

platoon and The the weaknesses Wolverine definitely

amped up their threat level to him. So I thought

they they leveled off what a human being could

do up against wolverine so i thought that was

kind of cool um but yeah i i thought he was cool

I guess, designed character with how he looked

and everything. And I thought he was well acted.

I don't know the gentleman's name who played

the character. Boyd Holbrook is the actor. But

yeah, I thought it was much better than Evil

Logan, which just kind of felt a little cliche

to me. Chuck, any thoughts on Boyd or Pierce

as a character? Yeah I liked him and it's kind

of one of those that it's like the character

you like to hate sort of thing because you just

know how much of a dirtbag he is and what he's

trying to do and everything like that but I think

like Greg said he's really well acted and everything

and he kind of had that smug persona where you

know it even kind of like took Logan aback because

he was like he couldn't believe like kind of

the audacity of this guy in a lot of ways. Thought

the Reivers were cool what one thing I have to

mention before was I Don't remember like back

in the kind of in the 90s and stuff when they

would show the Reivers like some of them There's

one guy in particular that like his whole bottom

half was like a machine with like two tracks

on it And I kind of was Rob Lee fields best,

you know best favorite character design because

he had no feet Right. That was his attempt at

drawing legs. And it just came out like that.

I almost got the feeling like there's a little

symbology in the way, in a way that they tried

to represent that. I don't know if it was just

on purpose or if it was just something that I

made up in my head. But when they showed them

on the pickup trucks and there was kind of like,

there was like a guy on the back of the trucks

with the big machine gun. Like in the one scene

hit me in particular when they like just kind

of the camera angle and they pulled up the guys

in the truck it kind of looked like the truck

is his bottom part you know kind of like those

and like the imagery just hit me i remembered

that like image from the comics and i was like

oh i wonder if they're trying to like kind of

you know make a reference to that To that dude,

but I thought that was kind of cool. It could

be something that they didn't even intend to

do so, I don't know. Yeah Yeah, see I wasn't

sure if like if Pierce was that guy that was

the motorized thing Like I liked the pieces that

we got from Boyd Hardbrook as Pierce I always

I got a sense that they were building up to something

more with his character and that just never came

to flourishing like the thing I was thinking

of is something like weird comparison but the

Incredible Hulk from 2008 and how like you had

uh Tim Roth and like he you know eventually became

uh abomination like I didn't expect Pierce to

become like a like another Wolverine but it just

I don't know he felt like he felt like he would

had a threatening presence at first but then

he just ends up not he just he ends up being

in this weird parallel you know that at the end

that he doesn't really Kind of chickens out towards

the end. Yeah, and So that that was like I was

I was hoping from a little bit more I thought

the readers has like, you know, like you mentioned

Greg the their look was pretty cool Like it was

it's like a touch futuristic like the like the

world itself But I think that was probably the

weakest element of the movie. Actually, I didn't

mind the clone Piece because it is a little heavy

-handed because it's the subtext becoming text,

you know the idea Well, they they took so long

on that setup and it's like, okay We like there's

somebody back there that Xavier thinks is Logan

and we definitely know that wasn't Logan but

then when he did Sink the claws into Xavier's

chest and it had the close -up. I'm like Who

the hell is this? Wait, wait a minute Like the

CGI in that scene was so bad. I thought it was

like, like just a random reaver with like somebody

that had like some kind of handle grip thing

that looks like Wolverine's claws. It was just

very bizarre. So from the setup being so heavy

handled and then the CGI being so sloppy, it

just kind of left that very confusing to me.

I don't know. I didn't have an issue with the

CGI there. at all to be honest with you and I

mean yeah I think we knew that it wasn't Logan

in the background but during that moment that's

not really what like I was focused on I was I

was kind of focused on Patrick Stewart's performance

in that which I thought was legitimately one

of the best bits of acting he's ever done just

like you know that's this um kind of silky of

him expressing his gratitude and his regret for

just You know, they've been searching for this

moment of normalcy and they finally got it and

how the bitter sweetness of it and how he kind

of Doesn't feel he's deserving of it. I thought

that that moment within itself. This what he

was saying was Was you know for lack of a better

word pretty pretty beautiful and is it telegraphed?

Yes, I would I would say so but for me what made

it not I thought it was gonna be Pierce or something

like that just one of the the Reavers like behind

him that was kind of my my assumption going in

and the see that it was you know Logan at first

I was like that's like what what exactly what

what is going here and and I think to What worked

to me is just like the shock and horror of Stewart's

face in that moment for all he knows You know

Logan just killed him or he's killing him and

like not knowing just what just happened in the

course of you know, like the Tragedy of that

kind of worked for me. I mean, maybe we went

back and watch it again I could I can notice

the CGI but when within the moment it didn't

seem to Really have an effect. I was shocked

like what the hell just happened but I didn't

unnecessarily like I know it wasn't like due

to the special effects in that scene. I could

have sworn someone was like dreaming that at

the moment when I first saw it like And you know

and then the scene kept going and I'm like, oh,

they're just they're gonna go with it. They're

just doing it I was like, it's not a dream. It's

not a vision or anything or a flashback or nightmares.

It's really happening That's funny Yeah, I should

probably say they hey, they totally wasted that

family is like they did especially this Yeah,

I was like, wow, they they're not they're not

holding back in this but I did like the the quick

little line that Logan said when he picked Xavier

up He he just he said it wasn't me. It wasn't

me. Yeah You know that was like three words,

but they were really powerful because it kind

of just talked about their relationship and He

didn't want him to think that you know, he was

the one and stuff like that Betraying and stuff.

So it's pretty cool. Yeah, what I did like about

the the clone was like it had the talk about

Terminator 2 It did have like a Terminator vibe

to it like just this unstoppable killing machine,

you know It was unexpected. Like I wasn't sure

whether we're going with with the x24. I mean

Was it the best way to go? No, no, it was better

than you know, the transformer that you fought

in the Wolverine at the end I guess Yeah, but

yeah the touch upon some things I wasn't the

biggest fan of It's kind of an epic, but like

I know it's it's challenging to get exposition

I felt like in a lot of ways they were able to

do that pretty cleverly especially using like

the car radio But when you kind of he was able

to sit down and watch the movie on the phone

They kind of gave him all the background about

you know what was happening to the kids It's

like it's challenging because how do you do that?

There's there's a few ways you can have her kind

of just say it have her just you know Have a

recording of it having the you know mini digital

the documentary on her phone. I think It may

work better visually than it does storytelling

-wise. I don't know if it was the best way to

handle that moment, but it was something I'm

like, I don't know. It seems like this place

does not have great security considering all

the crazy things that they're doing, that they're

not confiscating phones, but you know. She was

doing it right in front of people sometimes.

Yeah, yeah. I guess you're just gonna let her

wear the GoPro as she's doing this, I guess.

All right. More power to you. Yeah One thing

we didn't talk about I Mentioned a little bit

was you know, this is rated higher and there's

been a lot made about that Did you at all feel

like it was trying too hard to justify that rating

or that like it? Opened up the door a little

bit too much and it was like, okay things are

getting gratuitous at all No, I don't think so.

I really have a problem with it. And if anyone

would I would so I Didn't mind it I mean Like

I like I mentioned before I think it might have

been more Powerful if they went with the whole

thing of not popping the claws But I didn't really

have a problem with it, especially in the first

scene He's obviously drunk when he's getting

out of the car. He's like kind of stumbling and

twisting his ankles and stuff. So What did you

what do you guys think of the action scenes overall?

Like there's you know, there's the opening sequence.

There's You know, I think that the car chase

which I wasn't I was not which is you know weird

was not expecting a car chase and Wolverine movie,

but Any any of those movements that's to sit

out for you guys The the fence thing I thought

was interesting like when he was flying towards

the fence and I was like, oh, you know every

other action movie we've ever seen in our entire

lives your expectation is they're just gonna

crash into the fence and keep going and that's

not at all what happens So that was kind of cool

I liked it when the like he slammed him into

something else like I cringed on that one. Oh,

yeah He was still shooting at them too when he

was dragged Yeah, I thought there was a lot a

lot of those good little moments where it went

away You weren't expecting like yeah, you know

near the end when the guy's monologuing and he

just shoots him in the face I'm like that's that

was nice. Like that was that that was a good

little moment and within that car chase I thought

it was I thought they had a lot of Good character

beats especially the way like laura was protecting

professor xavier. I thought that was a nice little

touch You see it gave you a lot of insight into

her character like almost immediately like she

clearly cares about him and Despite the fact

that she was just mauling a dude with her in

the face with a adamantium claw You know, she

she actually has uh, she has a soul which I thought

was a good little touch. Yeah and one other thing

I wanted to talk about was the I brought a briefing

before, but his little telepathic seizure things.

Yeah. The one one where he's upstairs in the

hotel room and all the guys are surrounding him

with the gun. I know, like earlier in the movie,

they kind of made it seem like these these were

random and he couldn't really control them, but.

It was kind of obvious in that scene that he's

controlling it because they have the guns pointed

right on him and he's just kind of stalling until

Logan can get there. Um, I thought that was pretty

cool. And then, you know, as, as they're like

going through all the people in the lobby, he's

like apologizing to them and stuff, but it was

like something they had to do. Was he controlling?

I guess, because I thought like what I was thinking,

it was like, it was almost like a panic attack

like yeah, like a panic like like reaction because

like oh no, like it was just like a reflex because

now he's in danger and That was kind of I don't

know if that was but you could be right maybe

was it was like a defense movies Like this is

all I got right now. So yeah, it could be like

I you could very well be right I just took it

as that way because it was similar to like the

way You know, he dealt with the horses. Yeah,

you know trying to calm them down so it was kind

of like him just mustering one last bit of his

of his mutant power to try to like elastis shephard

to try to save things and maybe maybe it was

kind of like he was panicked too so it wasn't

uh kind of the effect calming effect is the horses

it was right a dangerous extreme situation and

one thing i wanted to ask you guys because and

i wanted to get dan's take on it because i know

greg and i discussed a little bit after we got

out of the movie What was your take on how? Logan

was the only one that was kind of able to move

during one of those seizures like he could kind

of move and make his way Through slowly and everyone

else was pretty much paralyzed. I mean, I guess

since Laura was the same way I assumed it had

to be due to somewhat of his healing factor in

some way like it That's interesting. I didn't

I that's what that was my normal assumption was

because of his healing factor. He was able to

To fight against it or maybe you know, he's also

I know when it comes to telepaths like he had

some resistance begin with a little bit just

because of his crazy brain and so I just thought

his his brain was be able to uh resist whatever

was happening, um, because it seemed like yeah

based upon the reaction like it was it was like

Seizing up the nervous system like the caliban

mentioned like he was like unable to breathe

and things like that. So That was my guess. Yeah

So, I don't know. I don't know if that's why

you have a different theory. We kind of had a

similar thing, Greg and I. I think we were talking

about the healing factor and I kind of pointed

to the fact that his memories have been messed

with by, you know, the Weapon X program so much

that he has like a lot of scar tissue on his

brain and I feel like maybe that... caused it

to not as affect him as much as the other people

just because his He has so much scar tissue from

them kind of pulling out memories and deleting

erasing memories and things like that I don't

know that was just kind of what I was thinking

that between that and the healing factor. That's

kind of What I was thinking because it was interesting.

So like I wasn't Because when he would kill the

people like I love that scene when you were like

Slowly just like stab someone in the face, but

they wouldn't fall over so like Yeah, but he

doesn't have telekinesis So I don't know if it's

just because it's like it's slowing down the

the brains Kind of communication with the rest

of the body that that's that's why I Wondered

I wondered that There's a question at you guys.

So I know in this they're kind of seeking seeking

Eden is Do you guys do you think a does Eden

exist and B do you have any theories of what

it might be? Yeah, that's what I was thinking,

that the little fort that they kind of got to

in North Dakota. It was made up in the comic

books, but then those kids kind of made it real.

They used those fake coordinates, but it was

kind of like a little code almost of, yeah, everybody

else around us will think it's... fake and it

is, but we're going to make it something real.

So it was, it was kind of like a hiding in plain

sight kind of situation. See, cause like he was

talking to someone on the walkie talkie that

was on the Canadian border. So I took it that

the people he was communicating with were part

of the Eden, but maybe, maybe that, so maybe

I'm right. Cause I think you're right. The coordinate

coordinates where they met up, but That Eden

and yeah, that's that's where they were heading

the whole time and they said in comic books Eden

was at this location Those are the coordinates

that they went to so I was actually kind of unclear

as to why they were going into Canada Because

the I mean the Weapon X program sort of originated

there. I don't know if it was still there, but

it's like what to me it would seem more dangerous

you're going Closer to you know those facilities

and stuff where they experiment on all those

people and it just seemed like You'd be better

off Going to Mexico the other way or going somewhere

else Even though you know, maybe at this point

they have facilities everywhere. I don't know

but maybe it's alpha flight Maybe that's where

they're going to is be rescued by alpha flight.

Yeah, it's gonna be puck on the other end Because

the way I took it so I thought they were This

is kind of my theory in my head because if you

look at the comic that they were reading it had

soran It was on the cover of it in soran's. Yeah,

no known to be part of the Savage land. So my

thought was they were going Canada they were

because that's where you know, that's just kind

of where people were going to but in theory like

they were going to be traveling there and then

being transported to Eden because when you think

about The Savage Land, in a lot of ways, it can

be described as like a Garden of Eden. It's this

land that's very lush and green. It has prehistoric

creatures, so it has elements from the beginning

of time. It would be a safe haven for mutants.

That's what it was in a lot of ways designed

to be. Maybe that's where Magneto could be still

hanging out. You never know. That's it was I

mean, that's just my theory based upon the comic

and just my own putting together But I do like

they do keep it open -ended We didn't we didn't

talk about them though. What did you think of

like the the new mutants last lost boys children

mutants superheroes? That that any any thoughts

on them at all? I loved watching this is gonna

sound completely racist and I'm so sorry. It

has nothing to do with race, but it has more

to do with how big he was but the the chubby

little black kid when he was running I felt like

they sped that up that was the funniest fucking

thing in that movie I swear to God it was that

little kid running his chubby little butt off

was the greatest thing ever Was I was waiting

for a thing like hook where he like, you know,

he gets like does a bolo roller. Oh, yeah I was

waiting for something like that. It never happened

Those kids were frickin brutal. That was like

children of the corn type of shit. They were

Massacring people even though they were born

born to kill but I was trying I didn't catch

any but I when they showed like the dossiers

I was trying to figure out like who some of the

You know the the donors were and I think one

was avalanche like I couldn't like I'm assuming

that the one like older kid who had like the

avalanche powers I was I was thinking that's

who he was but I didn't catch any other ones

at all Well, one one was a young character a

younger version of a character that I don't like

and I don't know much about named Richter Uh,

he he appeared he was an x -force character.

Yeah Yeah, he was kind of like with Magneto a

lot, I believe. I think he kind of helped amplify

people's powers because I think Magneto was like

ailing or something. And so he was kind of there

pumping up. Magneto's powers, but at the same

time, it was making Magneto sick and worse. So

I don't understand that character too well, but

I felt like the lead child of that group was

Richter. But I think they changed his power or

something. I don't know. That was a bit weird

and foggy to me. I was kind of surprised that,

you know, when they finally showed them using

their powers, I was kind of like shocked. I don't

know why I guess I wasn't really like paying

attention and Thinking that they must all have

like these unique powers, but I was kind of thinking

they were all kind of similar and then they all

had these like very unique powers and from each

other and stuff like that and I was like Why

weren't you using them before like what? It's

like now when they're like almost catching you

that now you've used them. It's like I don't

know Yeah, I guess our kids But uh, you know,

uh, once I'm going to talk to you about I'm guessing

you guys have it you had it I know there was

no end stinger, but there was like the beginning

Deadpool 2 stinger. Did you have that at your

theater? Yes. Yeah, that was fucking hilarious

That that was like one of my favorite things

about the movie But yeah, it was it was funny

as hell. I got excited for a second because I

thought like I'm like, oh Deadpool somehow in

this timeline, like in the future. I thought

they just kind of threw him in there for like

a quick scene, but I didn't realize at the time

that it was like a trailer. But I don't know

about you, but we actually stayed through all

the end credits thinking and hoping there was

something else, but there wasn't. And we were

kind of ticked off. But I was sitting there and

I was like waiting to see if other people were.

I'm like, is there anything at the end? Because

I was like, it's going to be weird if they have

a teaser basically on how this movie ends. I

like for like a like, you know. X -Men supernova

or whatever so I googled it and I'm like is there

a teaser on my phone I thought it was okay because

the credits were rolling that I could take my

phone out and So there wasn't one I checked a

few sites just to make sure because there's been

times where like Uh, like the review screenings

wouldn't have one like, but then the actual one

in theater did, but I saw that. So like halfway

through, I'm like, all right, then I'm just going

to leave. I saw someone post like, there's no,

what's an, and credit scene. And I heard people

behind me saying, there's gotta be one. It's

a Marvel movie. But I'm like, there's also no

Stanley cameo. So clearly they're not, they're

not playing by those rules. Well, apparently

there was like, uh, a Stanley cameo in the Deadpool

short at the beginning, which I saw one with

Stan Lee in it or he comes out and he says something

and Yeah, Deadpool's like shut up Stanley Yeah,

I saw that on YouTube it was like a slightly

different version I did hear a lot of theories

about that that teaser for Deadpool 2 so apparently

like the phone book or something like that there's

a you know it says like Nathaniel summer is coming

soon or something like that or yeah and then

when he gets out of the phone booth in the background

there's a lot of firefly posters so people are

like guessing that this is somehow some sort

of gorilla Release of people telling them that

it's going to be nathan fillian as cable Like

I don't know if any of that's true because I

don't remember seeing any firefly but photo Some

things i'm like, why would they do that? Like

it's not like they could just tell people it's

not like it's I feel like it's a they're gonna

have to eventually tell people you can't just

not tell people who it is until the movie Comes

up, but uh, that's uh, all these crazy theories

are happening. Yeah, the only thing I noticed

was the The Nathan Summers thing written on it

and then in the background it was like a movie

theater and it said like Logan now playing or

something like that. Yeah, because I was the

same thing. I'm like, why? What is going on?

Like this is different. And I'm like and then

I saw that it was actually like Logan posters

in the background because the lights came off

and like I thought the movie was starting. Yeah,

we get this little we get this little teaser

thing, which was unexpected. So that was cool.

All right. Well. Anything else before we bring

this episode to a close? I think we covered quite

a range of stuff. I'm curious to watch the movie

again when it's released and see if any of my

opinions come out differently. I'll definitely

keep in mind some of the... some of the things

that you pointed out and stuff. So there's a

lot of movies that I'll rewatch them. Like, actually,

there's another excellent movie. I just recently

watched Apocalypse again and I loved it way more

than I liked it in the theater. So interesting.

Because it's gone gone by. I've liked that movie

less and less. So I wonder. But I haven't rewatched

it since I first saw it. So, yeah, I did. I did

do a ranking of the X -Men films because that's

the way my mind works. So I had I saw it first

I still love first class the most and then I

did it was first class Logan x2 and then Deadpool

and then the Wolverine and then x -men then x3

and then Wolverine origins but But it sounds

like for you you guys this would be more middle

of the pack when it came to come to the x -men

franchise Yeah, I think so I'm still at days

of future past number one for me Yeah, that was

that was those three for me Yeah, I love that

one. I think x2 x1 united probably next and then

Probably Deadpool first class Apocalypse this

one and then like then you got the original one

and last stand and origins and Wolverine and

stuff like that. So did you did you so did you

like the I know greg likes the wolverine more

than logan and we are the same or did you like

logan more than the wolverine? I think I liked

logan a little bit more As I was thinking about

it more because just there was a lot of there's

a lot of good parts of the wolverine but there's

some that I couldn't get over like the the whole

silver samurai thing and uh that weird creature

that they put in them and uh There was a lot

of like I don't know what you want to say. It

was like more of a simplistic kind of plot like

this was Play a lot more like fleshed out and

stuff like that. There's a lot more things to

enjoy about it So I'd like to go back to that

one to you because it's been a while since I

watched that I liked it when I first saw I still

do but Greg did you want to rank him to or do

you? First class Deadpool Sure I don't know.

I don't really have a ranking. Very cool. Well,

we'd like to hear what you would rank them what

you thought of Logan. You can do that by contacting

us in a number of different ways. We're on Facebook

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gcrn. You can email us at feedback at geocastcreator

.com. You guys are also on Twitter. What are

your Twitter names? I am at heroicagechuck. I

am at thecreateforge. And I am at movierevoltz.

But that'll be it for this week. We'll be back

next week at the same time. Same channel, same

podcast feed, but for now. This has been Chuck.

This has been Greg or Evil Wolverine. This has

been Dan. We've been talking in circles. We'll

see you next time. Did you also have your beard

cut? So like the kids did it. I could actually

do that right now. My beard is pretty fuzzy.

You know what that scene reminded me of when

Wolverine was fighting X -24 in the movie? It

reminded me of like the old Marvel vs. Capcom

when you and the computer would pick Wolverine

and like the other one just had like a slightly

different costume. That's what I kept thinking.

Player two has entered the game. Yes. It's like,

what? I picked Wolverine. We can't be... Dang

it.