Talking in Circles
Crashing, Legion, and Logan

About this Episode
Hi, this is Kyle Higgins and you're listening
to the Geek Patch Radio Network. You are now
on the inside of what I like to call the circle
of trust. We are all connected in a great circle
of life. You know something, Bert? What? I think
you and I are going in circles. It feels like
we're going in circles. The circle is now complete.
When I left you, I was but a learner. Now I am
the master. Because it's a circle. Yeah, we heard
about the circle. Yeah, I swear, it really would
change. Hi, this is Chuck. This is Craig. And
this is Dan. In the meantime, we're talking in
circles about whether to cast Radio Network.
The podcast that is back is to talk about the
world of the X -Men with the latest release of
Logan. Yesterday we'll be discussing that and
all its glory in guts. I guess plenty of guts
for sure But before we get to talking about Logan,
how's week been going for you guys things been
going I guess I'm gonna start it off on a negative
I got so sick on Sunday sitting here playing
fallout 4 Which I'm getting bored with by the
way, I'm kind of Pretty much done with the game
100 % complete, but I was sitting there nearly
pooped my pants Did a penguin walk to the bathroom
and just how long were you playing that game?
pretty long pretty long But like I went to the
bathroom and then after that I was like, I don't
feel like I'm going to eat any dinner tonight
or anything. I'm not feeling good. So I kind
of stopped playing the video game and it was
just kind of watching TV. And then I'm like,
Oh, I gotta go to the bathroom again. And as
it proceeded through the night, it just kept
getting worse. And I ended up having a bucket
in my lap while sitting on the toilet and just
releasing from. both ends of me. It was awful.
It was like the South Park episode where Kenny's
dad keeps throwing up and crapping at the same
time. It was awful. Not solid from anywhere.
It was just all liquid and water. It was definitely
that stomach thing that's going around. I'm still
kind of recovered from it. Well, like Logan,
I think this will definitely be an explicit podcast
this time around. Yeah, well, that's that's a
mental image. I do not need whatsoever. So yeah,
it was not pretty. I felt bad for my mom. My
dad hid downstairs. My mom was like helping me
out and I was just not giving a shit. So I was
like open the door wide. We didn't. You had plenty
to give. So it sounds like you were given quite
a few. It's awful. It was the worst I've ever
been sick. I've never had anything like that
before. I hope it wasn't the place where we hung
out after the movie. Well, you would have felt
it already, Chuck. Yeah, I think I would have.
I'm sure you would have felt it already. Of course,
I didn't have the same thing as you, though,
so maybe it was something specific. Maybe, but
that was Friday night and this was Saturday around
three o 'clock, maybe. That's weird. Yeah, well
Wow, that's that's that's awful, but on a completely
different note whatsoever One thing I wanted
to bring up and talk about that's not expert
related a comic book related in any realm But
is a TV show that I'm watching that is somewhat
podcast related oddly enough I don't know if
you guys know Pete Holmes. He's a comedian He
had a show on TBS like after Conan for a while.
He's a podcast Batman stuff that you guys like
like yes It was each raid, baby. He is you made
it weird podcasts and they're just well He is
now doing a show on HBO was partnering with Judd
Apatow called crashing and it's loosely based
on his life little background in his life like
he I was like growing up he married his high
school sweetheart and he was trying to make it
in comedy and then things didn't go out so well
and it's kind of worth it. I don't want to give
anything away because the first episode's pretty
much about that and it's kind of about the fallout
of some things that happened to him and his attempt
to make it into the world of comedy. It's in
the realm, I think, of something like Marin from
Marc Marin and Louis, but it's its own little
realm. It's weird watching the show. I've watched
the first two episodes and it's almost like plotless
in a way. It's just... It's funny. Pete Holmes
is great. As someone who's listened to a lot
of his comedy, you see a lot of his jokes come
up. I know I'm familiar with some of the stories
he's talking about because I've heard him talk
about them. He was recently on the Nerdist podcast
itself and kind of went over some of these stories,
but it's certainly a dramatized version of it.
If you do like those shows and you do like Pete
Holmes, I think you would certainly enjoy it.
His first episode had Ari Lang from a certain
show. Legendary comedian and and he was also
TJ Miller showed up in the second episode for
many guys He's a he's a dude who was in transformers
5 and Also Yogi bear, of course forget Yogi bear
weasel. Yes So I in weasel. Yeah from Deadpool
to true. I forgot about that So as someone who
enjoys stand -up and enjoys that world, I like
it a lot I don't necessarily know at this point
with only two episodes that I saw that it's really
Breaking the mold compared to shows that came
before but I think there's potential there mostly
because of Pete Holmes he's kind of this like
deer in headlights really just not knowing the
world and and Had a really huge throwback when
the second episode featured as George's place
song that my sister used to listen to like your
much of her life and many people don't know who
George or Clay's are and that's fine and it was
just it was weird it was unexpected and funny
moment for me I don't know if it'd be funny moment
for a lot of people but I would definitely recommend
it it's a good addition to HBO shows not nearly
to the level of something like Silicon Valley
but it could get there it's only like I said
I think there's like four episodes out now I've
only saw the first two but you know Chuck you
have watched or listened or read something that
it's more X -Men related so I figured you could
Talk about that. I have figured it'd be a good
show to bring it up since we were talking about
Logan. It is in fact a TV show, and I don't know
if you guys have watched it yet, but I'm sure
a lot of people out there have, and that is Legion.
I recorded the first, or got to the first episode
and fell asleep not because of the show, just
because I fell asleep past... 830 I can't say
it past 830 anymore because I'm old yeah old
man problems hashtag I I didn't have that problem
but I haven't seen it either so all right you
you guys need to turn your microphones off right
now close your computers and go watch it I honestly
think it's that good I I've been totally in love
with this show so far, which is really surprising
because I did not expect to like it. I was extremely
skeptical. I didn't know a whole lot about it
coming out. I didn't really see any clips or
anything, any trailers sort of things. So I was
like, you know, comic book TV shows, you know,
they're hit and miss. Some of them are good,
like Flash and Arrow in the beginning. even though
that's trailed off a lot and then some of them
are just a complete swing and a miss so especially
something about our beloved X -Men I was a little
bit a little bit skeptical of to say the least
but this doesn't deal anything with the regular
X -Men but there's there's certainly some references
to it there's like in a lot of the shots you
see different things with like the the X symbol
in the background and different things and kind
of pick it out, which is kind of cool. But right
now it's not connected to anything with the X
-Men in a concrete way, but they do, in fact,
talk about mutants and mutant powers and stuff
like that. So that's pretty interesting. But
basically, I mean, if you don't know anything
about Legion from the comics, he was the son
of Charles Xavier and someone by the name of
Gabriel. Haller, so Legion's name is David Haller
and he's basically Has multiple personalities
and extremely powerful telepath telekinesis Pyrokinesis
which he start fire with his mind and Teleportation
and stuff like that. So crazy powerful and I
think it was even something to do with like each
of his personalities Had a different power or
something like that. I never read too much of
him in the comics in the 90s What I remember
him most from is the fact that he kind of launched
the Age of Apocalypse storyline. That's kind
of my most favorite memory of him. I guess for
the most part, that's kind of all you really
need to remember. In a lot of ways, it wasn't
an extremely successful character other than
that point. But in the show, it kind of starts
out with him. I'm not going to give too much
away, but I'll just give you the gist. It starts
out with him. It shows him in a mental institution.
And the actor, I forget his name now, does a
phenomenal job. His name is Dan Stevens. I really
like him. I like his little nuances to the character
and how he handles. having this condition or
so we think. That's kind of something else about
the show that's very ambiguous and it's very
intellectual in that you kind of have to figure
out what's happening. And it may not be everyone's
cup of tea, but there's, especially in the beginning
in the first episode or two, there's situations
where a whole scene will get replayed. And when
I started watching it, I thought, I thought my
computer skipped or something and it was like
playing. I was like, oh man, you know, I already
saw the scene. I, you know, I just got set back
like two minutes, but it was actually like, it's
playing the whole scene again. And there's like
one little thing different. And so you're kind
of like, you're trying to figure out, you know,
is this thing that's happening now? Is it happening
in reality or is it happening in his head? See
like remembering things differently. It's, it's
really intriguing. Like it's, it's kind of hard
to explain until you see it. Like I said, it
might not be for everybody, but I think it's
uh, it's really interesting and I would give
it a try and I'm about I Think it's five episodes
and I've saw them all including the one this
week the show as far as I know It's only running
for eight episodes to begin with And then I guess
they'll go from there. So they've they finished
five. They got three more So they pick up with
him in the mental institution and You know, he
has a couple of friends there a new girl comes
in, you know He shows some interest in her and
things like that. And then these things just
start happening some pretty crazy things and
that I don't want to give away but it's just
really I was hooked from like the first episode
and really like the second episode is really
what cemented me and I was Now I like look forward
to the show every week. It's almost like it's
probably on the level with flash for me. It's
like really exciting to me now. Man, that's like
ultimate praise right there. Yeah. Yeah. And
it's it's set in a modern setting, but there's
a lot of like references, a lot of imagery to
the 60s and 70s, which is pretty cool. Like I
know the one character there's something sort
of on the astral plane which is cool because
they kind of introduced that concept and You
know, he's still dressed in his like 70s clothes
and stuff like that like his leisure suit and
stuff. So Pretty cool there another cool thing
about this that the same basically the same crew
from like all the x -men movies You know Brian
Singer Simon Kinberg Lauren Shuler Donner. They're
all working on this so you have the same creative
team from like a lot of x -men movies and stuff
like that and logan uh working on this to kind
of i guess keep a little bit of consistency with
uh with their other work and you know making
sure that it doesn't get out of hand too much
because obviously they know that universe and
how to handle those characters and stuff like
that so wow i now i really have to check it out
i'm i'm actually kind of surprised i didn't i
didn't know if you would like that Are not just
based upon what I saw of it and that's that's
cool. I'm looking forward to catch it up. Catch
it out. Yeah, that's not a stating I would definitely
say it's like a psychological Almost like a psychological
thriller type of thing like You know, like I
said, there's there's a little bit of ambiguity
like He's sort of been told his whole life that
he has multiple personalities and he's schizophrenic
and then he's got These other people telling
him that he's not schizophrenic. That's just
his mutant power. So it's it's really cool to
try to figure out Things that are happening in
the show Which side does it fall on? So you're
kind of like figuring it out as David holler
is figuring it up going on the journey with them
and stuff. So Cool I have to make room for that.
And of course riverdale, which is now on cw because
that looks And by the way if you If you guys
like, uh, it's um, it's like a weird time slot.
It's Wednesday nights from 10 to 11. Um, so it's
kind of a late, but, uh, you can go to, uh, their
website FX now .com and watch it on there whenever.
So do you need to have like a cable login for
that to work? I think you might. Okay. I know
I didn't have to log in anything. It just said
like, select your. Service provider, and I just
clicked on it and so started playing I didn't
have to like sign up or log in anything like
that, but Usually FX channels do eventually show
up on like either Hulu or Netflix like I just
finally watched started watching the OJ OJ show
on Netflix that was really interesting, but I'll
have to check that out very cool Alrighty anything
else before we take a quick break and come back
and talk about Logan I just have a book recommendation.
Oh, actually a book series. Uh, it's a graphic
novel by Brian Kayvon. I gave a review on like
the first and maybe second book in the series,
but, uh, I just finished up the whole thing.
It's why the last man, if you go back to the,
that earlier, uh, review, I, I believe I said
that I really liked it and I think people should
check it out. Still going through with that gets
a little weird in about, uh, mid fourth, uh,
fifth book where you're starting to get details
on why the the whole plague happened and everything
why there's only one male human and one male
monkey left on the planet and so it's it's it's
really good it gets kind of depressing but it
very much works with the story and as always
Brian Kayvon is is very impressive in his writing
I think this is a really great series so I would
definitely check it out so yeah why the last
minute i said i know i i read the first issue
of that i have no reason not to go back and won't
read it well when we go back we'll be talking
about logan and you know what if you haven't
listened or seen logan i would advise coming
back later because we're just gonna spoil the
hell out of it because it's more fun that way
so after this we'll be talking about the last
entry of the wolverine as we know it we'll see
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and welcome back. Today we're gonna be discussing
Logan, the latest film in the X -Men franchise,
the third Wolverine film, and the second one
to get brought to us by director James Mangold,
who previously has made 310 to Yuma, Walk the
Line, and both of which I feel like have some
influences in this, but we're all huge X -Men
fans here with a lot of the movies. Obviously
no one here likes Wolverine Origins because we
don't hate ourselves, but considering a lot of
hype for this movie going in... potentially Hugh
Jackman's last movie. Greg, I'll start with you.
What were your overall thoughts about Logan?
Overall thoughts, I thought it was really good.
I liked the amount of violence in it. It was
definitely what you wanted to see for a Wolverine
movie, being a Wolverine fan, that type of violence.
I thought the story was a little weird, but I
was able to discount a lot of it because it is
supposedly a different timeline kind of situation
going on, even though they don't explicitly really
say that in the movie. So I kind of let go of
a lot of different things as an overall thing.
I liked it, but I kind of liked the Wolverine.
better, but this was still really good. The thing
that really killed it for me was the violence,
actually. And I loved the little girl that played
X -23. I thought she did a great job, and the
role was kind of perfect altogether for her.
It just got really weird for me, definitely later
on into the movie, where we could spoil her,
right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah Where the the weird clone
of Logan showed up? That looked exactly like
him and everything but younger that was that
was a bit bizarre to me I don't know why I could
stomach it better with Laura, but Aka x23 maybe
because it was in the comic but just seeing a
copy of Logan there it was a bit bizarre and
That just was weird to me and the the adamantium
bullet bringing that back was a little bit weird
to me as well. But overall, I thought it was
a lot of fun. It was definitely action packed.
Definitely a lot of emotion in there. Love the
relationship between Logan and X -23. But yeah,
I hope they make something more with that little
girl and hopefully the age stays appropriate
so they can keep that actress in as X -23 because
I seriously, she was my favorite part of the
movie. Yeah, definitely keen what was her name
and this is really the first movie like she's
she did a Spanish miniseries But this was the
first time she was anything like major and yeah,
she certainly was, you know a huge find a breakout
performance for sure I was a little worried because
you know x23 in the comics is usually she's a
little older. She's more of a At least in a lot
of portrayals that she's more of a teenager.
Yeah But I think it actually ended up working
out better this way. But I guess I'll go next,
and I'll be honest. I loved Logan a great deal.
I thought for me, honestly, it's... I'll give
me one of the best X -Men films, and out there
for me is one of the best comic book movies,
for a lot of reasons. Yeah, it's brutal, but
I thought the brutality was thematically appropriate
for the movie, and... I know a lot was made of
the art rating, but I think the art rating was
there not just because it wanted to have violence
or language, but more so to have a film that
was geared towards - To portray the character
correctly. That, and it was not necessarily needed
to worry about all the extracurricular aspects
of making a comic book movie, whether it be product
placement or movie placement or, you know, being
able to - take time and have those slower, more
methodical pace moments to really just focus
in on the movie at hand. And I thought thematically,
it's one of the most rich films out of the X
-Men franchise. I still love First Class. It's
still probably my favorite, but subjectively.
But objectively, I just thought it was one of
the best scripts out of any of the films in what
it represented. The relationship was able to
establish. Obviously there's a lot of parallels
to this and a lot of classic westerns. I mean
Shane is right there, front and center. But I
think even more so what came to my mind was,
you know, things like Unforgiven and how you
have a character at the helm who is attempting
to kind of battle his own demons, his own notoriety
and he's trying to escape the violence that has
kind of haunted him. his entire life and it's
just finding finding it more and more challenging
and finding the more he tries to escape the more
it confronts him and trying to find peace within
that and then that on top of the fact that you
have this relationship she's attempting to shy
away from and how that that's reflected in that
in the lore character The other thing that kind
of came to mind to talking about westerns was
you know, the man who shot Liberty Valance the
old line, you know Once the legend becomes fact,
print the legend. And this is taking place in
the world where that legend was printed. The
X -Men comics have been created. There's this
aura and legend about him as a person. And in
reality, he's like the man who shot Ludwig of
Liberty Valley. He's Jimmy Stewart in a barn.
telling the world he's that's not how it really
went but that's not what the world wants to hear
the legends already been come fact they want
the legend to be real and again and i think that's
was uh was a nice little touch it's obviously
very different than all the x -men films that
came before i couldn't imagine like watching
the wolverine and then watching this it would
be it would be very almost i would say somewhat
like a Like almost a whip like total whiplash
in a lot of ways, but I think that's fine. I
think that's okay I like how it kind of exists
within itself, but it's still very much tied
to what came before and it's really a culmination
of acclamation of everything all those films
and kind of what they're building up to and You
know, it's a certain level of tragedy, but I
also think what's good about it is that it doesn't
necessarily mean the end for these characters
because you know, it could just be its own little
thing and then exists in itself and then some
some like somewhat like the Old Man Logan comic
did and then you kind of go from there. Obviously
it's nothing like the Old Man Logan comic it
barely elements like the fact that it's there's
some themes that kind of match and it's a road
trip but beyond that it's nothing like that which
I was okay with but but yeah I'll stop rambling
but overall I kind of loved it. Chuck what were
your overall thoughts of Logan? I gotta say I
had a lot of mixed emotions about this movie.
Like I feel like objectively to me and I feel
like I should love it because there are a lot
of great things about it that I can point to
but for whatever reason I just can't really get
into it. Like I just didn't really care for it
overall. Like if you break it down piece by piece,
I can point to a lot of great reason. There's
you know, there's just something that's holding
me back from ranking it really high in in comic
movies and even X -Men movies. But I'll point
out some of the some of the good things first.
And one thing, like you had a great point with
me talking about the Westerns and stuff. Another
one, I would even argue that it reminds you of
is the Cowboys in a way with John Wayne. Cause
you have like all the group of young kids around
him and it's sort of like their father figure.
So at the, at the end of Logan, you sort of have
that dynamic going on where they're all kind
of looking up to him. So that was pretty cool.
I did enjoy that and all the references to, to
Westerns and stuff like that. My, my favorite
part of the movie to be honest was the interaction
with Xavier and Logan like where their relationship
has gone and stuff like that like they they kind
of bicker at each other but like you could see
Xavier is one of the few people in his life that
Logan actually loves and cares for So like in
a way like he feels like he has nothing but you
know, he's he's had Charles his whole life and
well not his whole life, but most of his adult
life. So I really loved their interaction. I
thought Patrick Stewart was very funny in a lot
of scenes, you know, especially the beginning
where he's like reciting the Taco Bell commercial
and stuff like that. That was hilarious. I was
cracking up. A lot of the scenes are great. I
thought the way they did his, you know, his telepathic
seizures or whatever they were, I thought that
was really cool. You know. you remember like
in some of the older x -men movies where he would
just like freeze everyone he would like freeze
time almost um so it was it was kind of like
that but it was it was a little off because everyone
was in a lot of pain and they kind of they knew
something was wrong they weren't like oblivious
to it um so i thought that was really cool i
think uh i'll echo what greg said about x -23
uh she was fantastic i love how you know they
really didn't give her any lines through most
of the movie i thought that made her impact even
greater I thought that was really cool and then
at the end you kind of it's like oh you can talk
you know and I thought that was the perfect way
to to do it um so I really enjoyed that and then
also you know this is kind of proof that you
can have you can have a good movie you can have
a great script without a love interest really
which is kind of a Weird weird prospect to some
people like you know a lot of people think of
an emotional movie it's like someone has to have
a love interest as far as a close relationship,
but this is more of like a a lot of father and
child relationship type of thing so it's a little
different and I think that's pretty cool that
whole dynamic so I Like that aspect of it They
had a family aspect with Xavier too because they
they set that up with kind of them having a Dinner
with that one family that got ran off the road
with the horses You can see them all sit down
and it was father son and grandchild Yeah, yeah,
I thought that was really cool. It was like I
think we've seen like plenty of love interest
for Logan over the years and his movies like
You know, you had Gene and what was the one from
Origins? I forget her name. Oh, Silver Fox. Yes.
And then you obviously have in the Wolverine.
And, you know, I think even there was a little
bit of flirtation with him and storm there for
a little bit. So there's like plenty of that.
I was I was glad to see them not throw in another
love interest for him, because I feel like that.
that was just kind of getting old. And it was
great to see this other aspect of his character.
So I really enjoyed that. But then for some of
the things that I didn't like, I'm sure there's
a ton of people that disagree with me. For whatever
reason, I didn't like the clone like Greg mentioned
that was, I mean, I understand the symbolism
of it, you know, and how younger versus the older
and, you know, there's things go deeper than
that and stuff, but it just kind of threw me
off personally for some reason. I didn't care
for it. And in the way, you know, the way the
final scene played out, the death scene, it just,
to me, like, I hated it because like, not because
of how it was, I guess not because of how it
was acted or anything. anything like that but
it just didn't seem like that's the way Wolverine
should die to me like on a tree stump in the
middle of the woods and he can't do a damn thing
like it just didn't seem like how he should go
out to me you know like kind of I guess in a
way it didn't go out fighting even though he
was fighting him he was kind of like basically
couldn't do jack against this guy um I know that's
that's there's a reason that they did that and
stuff but I just didn't care for it Yeah, I mean
I could not disagree more with that to be honest
with you because I felt like That that's not
what that was about like that's to me. That is
the ultimate Logan moment because it's not about
the physical act. It's about the emotional and
the fact that that's that's the moment the movie's
been building towards that ability to recognize
and let go of everything that came before and
Give himself a moment of peace and love for another
person to accept that paternal responsibility.
And I don't know, I thought that was a beautiful
moment. And if it was on a tree stump or in the
middle of a parking lot, to me, it's not necessarily
the location or it's the bravery and it's the
selflessness that he has been fighting against.
And that to me was what made that moment such
a... don't know I was teary -eyed watching that
and seeing you know, especially her reaction
saying daddy and it was the first time you saw
her in that light and him and like seeing both
of the the barriers that both of those characters
have clearly have it but allowing them to break
down those barriers and Like I don't know. It's
like the ultimate, you know, it's almost like
Shakespearean tragedy in that realm. So I was
thankful that You would you were able to get
that in a Logan movie. Yeah, no, I definitely
get that. I definitely understand. But for whatever
reason, I didn't I don't like it. Like I thought
there was there were other instances like in
past X -Men movies where he he did things that
weren't for himself, you know, sacrifices he
made killing Jean for one is extremely emotional
part of the character. I know we don't like to
talk about the last stand, but. you know there's
things like that and I look at the moments there's
so many moments that he was happy and and maybe
it's because you know those other characters
aren't around but it just seemed like they said
he's he said like bad things happen to to everyone
he cares about and stuff like that but he really
he really hasn't been miserable like that his
whole life like there were times when he was
extremely happy and I feel like in his older
age and his wisdom, I felt like he would have
been dealing with that better. I guess that's
just my take on it. I guess what I think we're
seeing is that those moments have been barred
in tragedy. It's evident that the X -Men have
been brutally killed by Xavier by accident and
everyone that he did love in the past. He's lived
nearly 200 years at this point. the person that
he's had great respect for has basically become
his own worst enemy. You know, he's had to see
him be killed. You know, this family he was just
living with had been killed. Like, yeah, I mean,
there were element moments in his life where
he did achieve happiness, but nearly every time
that happened, the end result was tragic, unfortunately.
And I agree with you that there were moments
where within the X -Men franchise that, yeah,
like he's certainly... Show you done things for
others and in the physical act But I think what
was different for me for this moment was wasn't
the physical nature of it wasn't the fact that
he was risking his life It was more so hit the
emotional aspect of it And and yeah, I agree
like you have his relationship with Jean but
for me it was it was just how better handled
it was with his relationship with Laura and this
and It was deeper than and I think you touched
upon it and I cow I wasn't a love interest. It
was you know wasn't the fact that he thought
she was cute and gave him an adamantium boner
it was because you know it was uh it was it was
something a little bit a little bit deeper as
i say so i guess that's that's what was different
for me compared to something like x3 that that
that he or you know even like i guess x2 we had
certain certain moments like that too i don't
know x -men i mean he had certain certain similar
similarities with a grog you know in the first
two x -men movies But I felt like it was a little
stronger. Like I get the. You know, the fact
that he's endured more loss in this film, you
know, compared to some of the other ones. But
I look at like his his immediate connection with
rogue in some of those like he'd already been
through a lot of crap in his life up to that
point, like all the wars he's been in and, you
know, even the way he grew up and the way. People
treated him and shunned him and things like that
and he had like an immediate connection with
rogue and he he always wanted to help The younger
ones and it seems like in this one. He's like
totally opposite. He's like extremely off putting
off put by The idea of a kid wanting to look
up to him or get help from or something like
that. I don't just seemed a Little inconsistent
my head. I don't know. Maybe I just wasn't looking
at the right way Mean, I guess it might have
been inconsistent with like the previous movies
in some way, but I guess There's obviously a
lot here a little a lot of empty space that we
don't know You know like like that we things
that are hinted at and things that are mentioned.
Yeah, so the you know, unlike say with the actually
old man Logan story where we eventually find
out why he won't pop those claws and this we
don't have that and you kind of led to think
that That maybe he was unresponsible for the
X -Men not being there because you know Xavier
Talks about like makes a comment about like what
did you do? What did you do? And later he finds
out it was him But yeah, I agree maybe like the
the sense of who he was as that original Wolverine
that we saw in the first X -Men movie, you know
in 2000 when he was like half the man that he
is now and the fact, you know body weight wise
and muscle mass wise but uh, yeah, but Guess
like the way I looked at it was there just there
were Pieces that the pieces that the person he
was then isn't who he is now and I felt like
it Like the opening scene in a way Established
that kind of how downtrodden he has become you
know the fact that like his life is dependent
upon it like a limo and Like that's his livelihood
and like that's his only hope and you know, it's
a guy who's been beaten down So I guess, you
know, continuity -wise, it's probably not the
worst thing that's actually happened in the X
-Men film, because what is this, like, the whole
time Caliban's been in a movie for a different
version of him? But I can see if, like, you're
looking for a continuation of the story that's
been building for the last few movies, it's not
necessarily the same thing, especially since
he has this aluminium skull back somehow, and
we don't know how that happened. I agree. I think
there's there's a lot of great aspects of this
movie. I'm not disagreeing with you on a lot
of them. I think it's more stems from the fact
of just what I was expecting kind of thing. Yeah.
If I could if I could look at the movie objectively,
it's like, yeah, this is extremely well written.
I mean, this is this is really great in those
ways. I almost think if I could make a suggestion
about it like. I think it almost would have been
more powerful if they had followed the not popping
the claws theme like in the comic in a way, because
it would have illustrated the way he felt that
guilt so much more, you know what I mean? If
he felt responsible for some of these things,
maybe that's why he's not popping his claws and
he's kind of taking an oath against violence.
I think that would have been maybe even more
powerful. Yeah. I kind of thought that was the
case at first. When like, he starts getting beat
up and I'm like, oh, maybe like that directs
are going to go with that. But, you know, quickly
that's not the case as he stabs a dude in the
head with his claws. So, yeah. Did you have any
other points? I didn't mean to cut you off. No,
that's about it. I was not fond of the adamantium
bullet being brought up again, but it wasn't
too, too bad, I guess. I definitely enjoyed the
movie. It was a fun watch. I didn't walk away
feeling like I just wasted my money or anything
like that. I did have a lot of fun watching it
and stuff, but I think expectation -wise, it
just kind of threw me for a little curveball
there and maybe be one of those things where
if I watch it on a second time or third time,
I might be like, wow, I really love this movie
more than before. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely
it's like like I mentioned it's unlike any of
the other X -Men films. It's It's not I don't
know. It's its own thing for sure. Like it takes
more from Terminator 2 than it does X -Men 2
You guys talked about the the clone villain part,
but what about the other the other antagonists
in this the Pierce played by Boyd Holbrooke who's
you know, who's What did you think of him as
like a presence as a character? any thoughts
Greg any thoughts on him? I thought it was really
cool that it was some violent guy that kind of
looked up to Wolverine in the past, but he was
a normal human, but just with this modified the
robot hand kind of situation going on with a
platoon and The the weaknesses Wolverine definitely
amped up their threat level to him. So I thought
they they leveled off what a human being could
do up against wolverine so i thought that was
kind of cool um but yeah i i thought he was cool
I guess, designed character with how he looked
and everything. And I thought he was well acted.
I don't know the gentleman's name who played
the character. Boyd Holbrook is the actor. But
yeah, I thought it was much better than Evil
Logan, which just kind of felt a little cliche
to me. Chuck, any thoughts on Boyd or Pierce
as a character? Yeah I liked him and it's kind
of one of those that it's like the character
you like to hate sort of thing because you just
know how much of a dirtbag he is and what he's
trying to do and everything like that but I think
like Greg said he's really well acted and everything
and he kind of had that smug persona where you
know it even kind of like took Logan aback because
he was like he couldn't believe like kind of
the audacity of this guy in a lot of ways. Thought
the Reivers were cool what one thing I have to
mention before was I Don't remember like back
in the kind of in the 90s and stuff when they
would show the Reivers like some of them There's
one guy in particular that like his whole bottom
half was like a machine with like two tracks
on it And I kind of was Rob Lee fields best,
you know best favorite character design because
he had no feet Right. That was his attempt at
drawing legs. And it just came out like that.
I almost got the feeling like there's a little
symbology in the way, in a way that they tried
to represent that. I don't know if it was just
on purpose or if it was just something that I
made up in my head. But when they showed them
on the pickup trucks and there was kind of like,
there was like a guy on the back of the trucks
with the big machine gun. Like in the one scene
hit me in particular when they like just kind
of the camera angle and they pulled up the guys
in the truck it kind of looked like the truck
is his bottom part you know kind of like those
and like the imagery just hit me i remembered
that like image from the comics and i was like
oh i wonder if they're trying to like kind of
you know make a reference to that To that dude,
but I thought that was kind of cool. It could
be something that they didn't even intend to
do so, I don't know. Yeah Yeah, see I wasn't
sure if like if Pierce was that guy that was
the motorized thing Like I liked the pieces that
we got from Boyd Hardbrook as Pierce I always
I got a sense that they were building up to something
more with his character and that just never came
to flourishing like the thing I was thinking
of is something like weird comparison but the
Incredible Hulk from 2008 and how like you had
uh Tim Roth and like he you know eventually became
uh abomination like I didn't expect Pierce to
become like a like another Wolverine but it just
I don't know he felt like he felt like he would
had a threatening presence at first but then
he just ends up not he just he ends up being
in this weird parallel you know that at the end
that he doesn't really Kind of chickens out towards
the end. Yeah, and So that that was like I was
I was hoping from a little bit more I thought
the readers has like, you know, like you mentioned
Greg the their look was pretty cool Like it was
it's like a touch futuristic like the like the
world itself But I think that was probably the
weakest element of the movie. Actually, I didn't
mind the clone Piece because it is a little heavy
-handed because it's the subtext becoming text,
you know the idea Well, they they took so long
on that setup and it's like, okay We like there's
somebody back there that Xavier thinks is Logan
and we definitely know that wasn't Logan but
then when he did Sink the claws into Xavier's
chest and it had the close -up. I'm like Who
the hell is this? Wait, wait a minute Like the
CGI in that scene was so bad. I thought it was
like, like just a random reaver with like somebody
that had like some kind of handle grip thing
that looks like Wolverine's claws. It was just
very bizarre. So from the setup being so heavy
handled and then the CGI being so sloppy, it
just kind of left that very confusing to me.
I don't know. I didn't have an issue with the
CGI there. at all to be honest with you and I
mean yeah I think we knew that it wasn't Logan
in the background but during that moment that's
not really what like I was focused on I was I
was kind of focused on Patrick Stewart's performance
in that which I thought was legitimately one
of the best bits of acting he's ever done just
like you know that's this um kind of silky of
him expressing his gratitude and his regret for
just You know, they've been searching for this
moment of normalcy and they finally got it and
how the bitter sweetness of it and how he kind
of Doesn't feel he's deserving of it. I thought
that that moment within itself. This what he
was saying was Was you know for lack of a better
word pretty pretty beautiful and is it telegraphed?
Yes, I would I would say so but for me what made
it not I thought it was gonna be Pierce or something
like that just one of the the Reavers like behind
him that was kind of my my assumption going in
and the see that it was you know Logan at first
I was like that's like what what exactly what
what is going here and and I think to What worked
to me is just like the shock and horror of Stewart's
face in that moment for all he knows You know
Logan just killed him or he's killing him and
like not knowing just what just happened in the
course of you know, like the Tragedy of that
kind of worked for me. I mean, maybe we went
back and watch it again I could I can notice
the CGI but when within the moment it didn't
seem to Really have an effect. I was shocked
like what the hell just happened but I didn't
unnecessarily like I know it wasn't like due
to the special effects in that scene. I could
have sworn someone was like dreaming that at
the moment when I first saw it like And you know
and then the scene kept going and I'm like, oh,
they're just they're gonna go with it. They're
just doing it I was like, it's not a dream. It's
not a vision or anything or a flashback or nightmares.
It's really happening That's funny Yeah, I should
probably say they hey, they totally wasted that
family is like they did especially this Yeah,
I was like, wow, they they're not they're not
holding back in this but I did like the the quick
little line that Logan said when he picked Xavier
up He he just he said it wasn't me. It wasn't
me. Yeah You know that was like three words,
but they were really powerful because it kind
of just talked about their relationship and He
didn't want him to think that you know, he was
the one and stuff like that Betraying and stuff.
So it's pretty cool. Yeah, what I did like about
the the clone was like it had the talk about
Terminator 2 It did have like a Terminator vibe
to it like just this unstoppable killing machine,
you know It was unexpected. Like I wasn't sure
whether we're going with with the x24. I mean
Was it the best way to go? No, no, it was better
than you know, the transformer that you fought
in the Wolverine at the end I guess Yeah, but
yeah the touch upon some things I wasn't the
biggest fan of It's kind of an epic, but like
I know it's it's challenging to get exposition
I felt like in a lot of ways they were able to
do that pretty cleverly especially using like
the car radio But when you kind of he was able
to sit down and watch the movie on the phone
They kind of gave him all the background about
you know what was happening to the kids It's
like it's challenging because how do you do that?
There's there's a few ways you can have her kind
of just say it have her just you know Have a
recording of it having the you know mini digital
the documentary on her phone. I think It may
work better visually than it does storytelling
-wise. I don't know if it was the best way to
handle that moment, but it was something I'm
like, I don't know. It seems like this place
does not have great security considering all
the crazy things that they're doing, that they're
not confiscating phones, but you know. She was
doing it right in front of people sometimes.
Yeah, yeah. I guess you're just gonna let her
wear the GoPro as she's doing this, I guess.
All right. More power to you. Yeah One thing
we didn't talk about I Mentioned a little bit
was you know, this is rated higher and there's
been a lot made about that Did you at all feel
like it was trying too hard to justify that rating
or that like it? Opened up the door a little
bit too much and it was like, okay things are
getting gratuitous at all No, I don't think so.
I really have a problem with it. And if anyone
would I would so I Didn't mind it I mean Like
I like I mentioned before I think it might have
been more Powerful if they went with the whole
thing of not popping the claws But I didn't really
have a problem with it, especially in the first
scene He's obviously drunk when he's getting
out of the car. He's like kind of stumbling and
twisting his ankles and stuff. So What did you
what do you guys think of the action scenes overall?
Like there's you know, there's the opening sequence.
There's You know, I think that the car chase
which I wasn't I was not which is you know weird
was not expecting a car chase and Wolverine movie,
but Any any of those movements that's to sit
out for you guys The the fence thing I thought
was interesting like when he was flying towards
the fence and I was like, oh, you know every
other action movie we've ever seen in our entire
lives your expectation is they're just gonna
crash into the fence and keep going and that's
not at all what happens So that was kind of cool
I liked it when the like he slammed him into
something else like I cringed on that one. Oh,
yeah He was still shooting at them too when he
was dragged Yeah, I thought there was a lot a
lot of those good little moments where it went
away You weren't expecting like yeah, you know
near the end when the guy's monologuing and he
just shoots him in the face I'm like that's that
was nice. Like that was that that was a good
little moment and within that car chase I thought
it was I thought they had a lot of Good character
beats especially the way like laura was protecting
professor xavier. I thought that was a nice little
touch You see it gave you a lot of insight into
her character like almost immediately like she
clearly cares about him and Despite the fact
that she was just mauling a dude with her in
the face with a adamantium claw You know, she
she actually has uh, she has a soul which I thought
was a good little touch. Yeah and one other thing
I wanted to talk about was the I brought a briefing
before, but his little telepathic seizure things.
Yeah. The one one where he's upstairs in the
hotel room and all the guys are surrounding him
with the gun. I know, like earlier in the movie,
they kind of made it seem like these these were
random and he couldn't really control them, but.
It was kind of obvious in that scene that he's
controlling it because they have the guns pointed
right on him and he's just kind of stalling until
Logan can get there. Um, I thought that was pretty
cool. And then, you know, as, as they're like
going through all the people in the lobby, he's
like apologizing to them and stuff, but it was
like something they had to do. Was he controlling?
I guess, because I thought like what I was thinking,
it was like, it was almost like a panic attack
like yeah, like a panic like like reaction because
like oh no, like it was just like a reflex because
now he's in danger and That was kind of I don't
know if that was but you could be right maybe
was it was like a defense movies Like this is
all I got right now. So yeah, it could be like
I you could very well be right I just took it
as that way because it was similar to like the
way You know, he dealt with the horses. Yeah,
you know trying to calm them down so it was kind
of like him just mustering one last bit of his
of his mutant power to try to like elastis shephard
to try to save things and maybe maybe it was
kind of like he was panicked too so it wasn't
uh kind of the effect calming effect is the horses
it was right a dangerous extreme situation and
one thing i wanted to ask you guys because and
i wanted to get dan's take on it because i know
greg and i discussed a little bit after we got
out of the movie What was your take on how? Logan
was the only one that was kind of able to move
during one of those seizures like he could kind
of move and make his way Through slowly and everyone
else was pretty much paralyzed. I mean, I guess
since Laura was the same way I assumed it had
to be due to somewhat of his healing factor in
some way like it That's interesting. I didn't
I that's what that was my normal assumption was
because of his healing factor. He was able to
To fight against it or maybe you know, he's also
I know when it comes to telepaths like he had
some resistance begin with a little bit just
because of his crazy brain and so I just thought
his his brain was be able to uh resist whatever
was happening, um, because it seemed like yeah
based upon the reaction like it was it was like
Seizing up the nervous system like the caliban
mentioned like he was like unable to breathe
and things like that. So That was my guess. Yeah
So, I don't know. I don't know if that's why
you have a different theory. We kind of had a
similar thing, Greg and I. I think we were talking
about the healing factor and I kind of pointed
to the fact that his memories have been messed
with by, you know, the Weapon X program so much
that he has like a lot of scar tissue on his
brain and I feel like maybe that... caused it
to not as affect him as much as the other people
just because his He has so much scar tissue from
them kind of pulling out memories and deleting
erasing memories and things like that I don't
know that was just kind of what I was thinking
that between that and the healing factor. That's
kind of What I was thinking because it was interesting.
So like I wasn't Because when he would kill the
people like I love that scene when you were like
Slowly just like stab someone in the face, but
they wouldn't fall over so like Yeah, but he
doesn't have telekinesis So I don't know if it's
just because it's like it's slowing down the
the brains Kind of communication with the rest
of the body that that's that's why I Wondered
I wondered that There's a question at you guys.
So I know in this they're kind of seeking seeking
Eden is Do you guys do you think a does Eden
exist and B do you have any theories of what
it might be? Yeah, that's what I was thinking,
that the little fort that they kind of got to
in North Dakota. It was made up in the comic
books, but then those kids kind of made it real.
They used those fake coordinates, but it was
kind of like a little code almost of, yeah, everybody
else around us will think it's... fake and it
is, but we're going to make it something real.
So it was, it was kind of like a hiding in plain
sight kind of situation. See, cause like he was
talking to someone on the walkie talkie that
was on the Canadian border. So I took it that
the people he was communicating with were part
of the Eden, but maybe, maybe that, so maybe
I'm right. Cause I think you're right. The coordinate
coordinates where they met up, but That Eden
and yeah, that's that's where they were heading
the whole time and they said in comic books Eden
was at this location Those are the coordinates
that they went to so I was actually kind of unclear
as to why they were going into Canada Because
the I mean the Weapon X program sort of originated
there. I don't know if it was still there, but
it's like what to me it would seem more dangerous
you're going Closer to you know those facilities
and stuff where they experiment on all those
people and it just seemed like You'd be better
off Going to Mexico the other way or going somewhere
else Even though you know, maybe at this point
they have facilities everywhere. I don't know
but maybe it's alpha flight Maybe that's where
they're going to is be rescued by alpha flight.
Yeah, it's gonna be puck on the other end Because
the way I took it so I thought they were This
is kind of my theory in my head because if you
look at the comic that they were reading it had
soran It was on the cover of it in soran's. Yeah,
no known to be part of the Savage land. So my
thought was they were going Canada they were
because that's where you know, that's just kind
of where people were going to but in theory like
they were going to be traveling there and then
being transported to Eden because when you think
about The Savage Land, in a lot of ways, it can
be described as like a Garden of Eden. It's this
land that's very lush and green. It has prehistoric
creatures, so it has elements from the beginning
of time. It would be a safe haven for mutants.
That's what it was in a lot of ways designed
to be. Maybe that's where Magneto could be still
hanging out. You never know. That's it was I
mean, that's just my theory based upon the comic
and just my own putting together But I do like
they do keep it open -ended We didn't we didn't
talk about them though. What did you think of
like the the new mutants last lost boys children
mutants superheroes? That that any any thoughts
on them at all? I loved watching this is gonna
sound completely racist and I'm so sorry. It
has nothing to do with race, but it has more
to do with how big he was but the the chubby
little black kid when he was running I felt like
they sped that up that was the funniest fucking
thing in that movie I swear to God it was that
little kid running his chubby little butt off
was the greatest thing ever Was I was waiting
for a thing like hook where he like, you know,
he gets like does a bolo roller. Oh, yeah I was
waiting for something like that. It never happened
Those kids were frickin brutal. That was like
children of the corn type of shit. They were
Massacring people even though they were born
born to kill but I was trying I didn't catch
any but I when they showed like the dossiers
I was trying to figure out like who some of the
You know the the donors were and I think one
was avalanche like I couldn't like I'm assuming
that the one like older kid who had like the
avalanche powers I was I was thinking that's
who he was but I didn't catch any other ones
at all Well, one one was a young character a
younger version of a character that I don't like
and I don't know much about named Richter Uh,
he he appeared he was an x -force character.
Yeah Yeah, he was kind of like with Magneto a
lot, I believe. I think he kind of helped amplify
people's powers because I think Magneto was like
ailing or something. And so he was kind of there
pumping up. Magneto's powers, but at the same
time, it was making Magneto sick and worse. So
I don't understand that character too well, but
I felt like the lead child of that group was
Richter. But I think they changed his power or
something. I don't know. That was a bit weird
and foggy to me. I was kind of surprised that,
you know, when they finally showed them using
their powers, I was kind of like shocked. I don't
know why I guess I wasn't really like paying
attention and Thinking that they must all have
like these unique powers, but I was kind of thinking
they were all kind of similar and then they all
had these like very unique powers and from each
other and stuff like that and I was like Why
weren't you using them before like what? It's
like now when they're like almost catching you
that now you've used them. It's like I don't
know Yeah, I guess our kids But uh, you know,
uh, once I'm going to talk to you about I'm guessing
you guys have it you had it I know there was
no end stinger, but there was like the beginning
Deadpool 2 stinger. Did you have that at your
theater? Yes. Yeah, that was fucking hilarious
That that was like one of my favorite things
about the movie But yeah, it was it was funny
as hell. I got excited for a second because I
thought like I'm like, oh Deadpool somehow in
this timeline, like in the future. I thought
they just kind of threw him in there for like
a quick scene, but I didn't realize at the time
that it was like a trailer. But I don't know
about you, but we actually stayed through all
the end credits thinking and hoping there was
something else, but there wasn't. And we were
kind of ticked off. But I was sitting there and
I was like waiting to see if other people were.
I'm like, is there anything at the end? Because
I was like, it's going to be weird if they have
a teaser basically on how this movie ends. I
like for like a like, you know. X -Men supernova
or whatever so I googled it and I'm like is there
a teaser on my phone I thought it was okay because
the credits were rolling that I could take my
phone out and So there wasn't one I checked a
few sites just to make sure because there's been
times where like Uh, like the review screenings
wouldn't have one like, but then the actual one
in theater did, but I saw that. So like halfway
through, I'm like, all right, then I'm just going
to leave. I saw someone post like, there's no,
what's an, and credit scene. And I heard people
behind me saying, there's gotta be one. It's
a Marvel movie. But I'm like, there's also no
Stanley cameo. So clearly they're not, they're
not playing by those rules. Well, apparently
there was like, uh, a Stanley cameo in the Deadpool
short at the beginning, which I saw one with
Stan Lee in it or he comes out and he says something
and Yeah, Deadpool's like shut up Stanley Yeah,
I saw that on YouTube it was like a slightly
different version I did hear a lot of theories
about that that teaser for Deadpool 2 so apparently
like the phone book or something like that there's
a you know it says like Nathaniel summer is coming
soon or something like that or yeah and then
when he gets out of the phone booth in the background
there's a lot of firefly posters so people are
like guessing that this is somehow some sort
of gorilla Release of people telling them that
it's going to be nathan fillian as cable Like
I don't know if any of that's true because I
don't remember seeing any firefly but photo Some
things i'm like, why would they do that? Like
it's not like they could just tell people it's
not like it's I feel like it's a they're gonna
have to eventually tell people you can't just
not tell people who it is until the movie Comes
up, but uh, that's uh, all these crazy theories
are happening. Yeah, the only thing I noticed
was the The Nathan Summers thing written on it
and then in the background it was like a movie
theater and it said like Logan now playing or
something like that. Yeah, because I was the
same thing. I'm like, why? What is going on?
Like this is different. And I'm like and then
I saw that it was actually like Logan posters
in the background because the lights came off
and like I thought the movie was starting. Yeah,
we get this little we get this little teaser
thing, which was unexpected. So that was cool.
All right. Well. Anything else before we bring
this episode to a close? I think we covered quite
a range of stuff. I'm curious to watch the movie
again when it's released and see if any of my
opinions come out differently. I'll definitely
keep in mind some of the... some of the things
that you pointed out and stuff. So there's a
lot of movies that I'll rewatch them. Like, actually,
there's another excellent movie. I just recently
watched Apocalypse again and I loved it way more
than I liked it in the theater. So interesting.
Because it's gone gone by. I've liked that movie
less and less. So I wonder. But I haven't rewatched
it since I first saw it. So, yeah, I did. I did
do a ranking of the X -Men films because that's
the way my mind works. So I had I saw it first
I still love first class the most and then I
did it was first class Logan x2 and then Deadpool
and then the Wolverine and then x -men then x3
and then Wolverine origins but But it sounds
like for you you guys this would be more middle
of the pack when it came to come to the x -men
franchise Yeah, I think so I'm still at days
of future past number one for me Yeah, that was
that was those three for me Yeah, I love that
one. I think x2 x1 united probably next and then
Probably Deadpool first class Apocalypse this
one and then like then you got the original one
and last stand and origins and Wolverine and
stuff like that. So did you did you so did you
like the I know greg likes the wolverine more
than logan and we are the same or did you like
logan more than the wolverine? I think I liked
logan a little bit more As I was thinking about
it more because just there was a lot of there's
a lot of good parts of the wolverine but there's
some that I couldn't get over like the the whole
silver samurai thing and uh that weird creature
that they put in them and uh There was a lot
of like I don't know what you want to say. It
was like more of a simplistic kind of plot like
this was Play a lot more like fleshed out and
stuff like that. There's a lot more things to
enjoy about it So I'd like to go back to that
one to you because it's been a while since I
watched that I liked it when I first saw I still
do but Greg did you want to rank him to or do
you? First class Deadpool Sure I don't know.
I don't really have a ranking. Very cool. Well,
we'd like to hear what you would rank them what
you thought of Logan. You can do that by contacting
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am at thecreateforge. And I am at movierevoltz.
But that'll be it for this week. We'll be back
next week at the same time. Same channel, same
podcast feed, but for now. This has been Chuck.
This has been Greg or Evil Wolverine. This has
been Dan. We've been talking in circles. We'll
see you next time. Did you also have your beard
cut? So like the kids did it. I could actually
do that right now. My beard is pretty fuzzy.
You know what that scene reminded me of when
Wolverine was fighting X -24 in the movie? It
reminded me of like the old Marvel vs. Capcom
when you and the computer would pick Wolverine
and like the other one just had like a slightly
different costume. That's what I kept thinking.
Player two has entered the game. Yes. It's like,
what? I picked Wolverine. We can't be... Dang
it.
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