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Hi, this is Dan Gilbazan, and you're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. How are you? I

don't know what's going on with me. I can see

that. I believe you. Strange. How I feel. I got

so much. I got so much anger. I can see that.

I can see you don't want to be here. I can see

you're scared. I can see you don't know what's

happening to you. I can see that you don't want

to hurt anybody. It's gonna be all right. Got

a clear shot, standing by. I don't want them

shooting me. I'm not gonna shoot you. You guys,

this is my buddy, Max. I told you about Max.

No one shoots at Max! You and me, okay? It's

just you and me talking. Whoa, whoa! Stay right

there, stay right there. Just be careful. The

brakes, the electricity. I just... I just wanted

him to want to see me. He makes a move, you take

that shot. How about you come with me? Go somewhere

we'll talk. Away from all these people, okay?

Yeah. You are now on the inside of what I like

to call the circle of trust. We are all connected

in a great circle of life. You know something

Bert? I think you and I are going in circles.

I feel like we're going in circles. The circuit

is now complete. When I left you, I was but the

learner. Now I am the master. Because it's a

circle. Yeah, we heard about the circle. Yeah,

that's what the million would change. Hi, this

is Chuck. This is Greg. And this is Dan. And

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fit in the Matt Rushmore of comedy But before

we get to that, how's the week been going for

you guys? Not too bad same stuff pretty much

except for tonight when I got home from work

I was I was kind of surfing online a little bit

and my phone rings. So it's a number I don't

really recognize. So I kind of answer it with

the, you know, the questionable tone like, hello.

And all of a sudden it's like this lady like

screaming into the phone in Spanish. And like,

I have no idea what she's saying. And I'm like,

I kept saying like, hello, hello. And. She's

like going off. She's like saying tons of stuff.

I'm like, do you speak English? She's like, no,

no. And she's like saying more stuff. And I'm

like, we understood that. So I'm like, well,

I'm like, I speak English. I'm like, I don't

understand you. And all of a sudden I hear go,

oh, yeah, yeah. I'm like, how the hell are you

understanding me right now? You won't speak to

me in English. So I'm like, I'm sorry, I can't

understand you. I speak English and I was like

polite about it, though, but I hang up the phone,

just kind of had a chuckle out of it. Like three

minutes later, calls back same number. My gosh,

here we go again. Man, there's the phone. She's

like going off saying stuff again. I'm like,

I do not speak Spanish. I don't understand you.

Please don't call here again. And she's just

like, oh, yeah. First of all, how do you call

me and expect me to speak your language and then

get mad when I don't? Or you think some way in

there, she would realize she's not talking to

the person that you're meant to be talking to.

I know like what would give it away like the

fact that i'm not speaking spanish. Wow i should

have gave it my best george bush voice and been

like no i'll be saying your reader. I'm once

again hungry for mexican food thanks. Greg how's

your weekend gone. I also had an interesting

conversation over the phone because I had to

get a friend out of a date. It wasn't quite as

amusing as Chuck's Hispanic lady, but it was

interesting because I had to play my one friend

was on a date. And so I had to play her dad,

which was interesting. That sounds pretty funny,

actually. No, no, calm down. Your mother and

I were an accident. I'm fine, but they're taking

your mother to the hospital. That was my dad

voice. Wow. Impressive. The guy intimidating.

The guy apparently went for it, so. So I guess.

Did you talk to him? I'm kind of confused. I

did the voice just in case he likes it. Sometimes

he could hear people on the other side of the

phone if you're across the table. But I'm not

sure if I'm a loud talker on the phone or not,

even though everybody asked me to repeat things

about five billion times. Interesting. I thought

you meant you were playing his dad in your town.

That's horrible. I totally tricked him. As you

were right now waiting like, but I nailed the

voice. Well, that's rather random. You think

it'd be easier just to say, hey, I'm not going

out on a date with you. Whatever works. I'm just

waiting for it to come back at me and like some

of somewhere down the road Be hanging out with

this girl and she'll be like, oh I got a phone

call. Hold on and then it'll be like, oh, it's

my dad. I'm like fuck You might need a favor

back, you know, you might need someone a girl's

voice faked, you know, she could return the favor

Well, yeah, I'm pretty sure that you the master

of disguising your voice could help me out there

though You could do an awesome girl voice, right?

I don't know. I never really tried it, actually.

Plus, you don't have to imitate my mother because

that's the only real... My mother or my grandmother,

those are the only two women in my life that

could be really calling me for the most part.

Chuck, you could do the whole Adam Sandler mom

voice. Do it for mama. If you want your mom to

be... Kitty from that 70s show maybe I could

I could do the laugh or something Anyways It's

a random up to Dan this past weekend. I had my

wife had a lot of her friends down So they had

a girls weekend, and I kind of stayed away, but

pillow fights right not so much now No, yeah

Sorry, sorry. Sorry to crush it. I'm more sorry

for you than then for me Dan It's not like I

could experience the pillow fight all the way

up here Well, yeah, I true true. No, but what

I did do was I kind of stay out of the house

But I had a place in this football league Then

we had two games this weekend and it sucked because

we were undefeated We're far and I'm coming into

this weekend and we lost both games both came

down to the final play. So it was like Some tough

losses. So not that that matters. But anyways,

it was kind of in the line of last week's episode

when we talked about the NFL drafts a little

bit. Did they draft you in the first round? I

was a free agent pickup. It was like that. Yeah.

Yeah. You were a walk on success. Exactly. Exactly.

Nice. I was like the Antonio Gates of the league,

I guess. But what's what's your stat line look

like, Dan? A flat line right now. Just a lot

of zeros No, I don't know. I have no idea score

to touchdown the last game, but I I couldn't

tell you very nice All he does is catch touchdown

The other thing I did last weekend was go see

the new spider -man movie amazing spider -man

2 that came out and I guess we can I think we've

all saw that so we're gonna talk about that a

little bit But I guess before we get to that

one just a brief Idea of what I thought about

the last amazing spider -man movie which not

the reigning spider -man But the other one the

the new reboot or whatever they want to call

it The first era of the Garfield that one I I

did I liked enough I didn't think it was nearly

as good as like spider -man 2 or anything like

that I like the actors and stuff like that and

I was Mildly looking forward to this one coming

up. I think we all had kind of worries when we

saw how many characters they were throwing in

here and all that. And I think those worries

were validated. For the most part, I overall

was not the biggest fan of The Amazing Spider

-Man 2. There are elements I really liked. A

lot of the actors I thought were really good.

Andrew Garfield is probably a better Spider -Man

than Tommy McGuire. And I think his relationship

with Gwen Stacy in The Stone is so much better

than that of that of Mary Jane and Peter Parker

in the last franchise. But I just think it was

just so rushed. I thought the characters are

really underdeveloped and really kind of really

generic in some instances. Like I was not a big

fan of Jamie Foxx as Electro at all. I like Dane

Duhan as the Green Goblin, but his entire storyline

kind of was summed up in like 15 minutes. One

of the most epic comic book stories of all time.

And it was given like the no service whatsoever.

So overall, not the biggest fan. What did you

guys think of making Spider -Man 2? Chuck what

did you think? Well kind of along the same lines

as you I know I read your review earlier on geocast

radio of the movie and I agreed with it quite

a bit I will say I probably did like it a little

more than you there's a lot of great things that

I liked about it which you kind of alluded to

already like the the human element in it the

the personal interaction between people was like

really well done I thought like you were starting

to talk about the more I watched These movies

and then the more I watch the older Tobey Maguire

movies. I'm really starting to feel that Andrew

Garfield is a better spider -man and I'm thinking

I'm actually liking him more as a Peter Parker

too. I Think Tobey Maguire was like a little

too wimpy a lot of the times and I feel like

Garfield conveys his emotion a lot better like

he's more believable He comes off as kind of

troubled, but he's not like a crybaby You know,

he's kind of shows more of an adult way to handle

things He has more of a spine as far as like

standing up to people and I really like his confidence

he not only has confidence like in his abilities,

but when he faces enemies like when he faces

electro and the Goblin and even like in the last

movie the lizard and stuff. He has like a lot

of confidence Yeah, I think he has a lot more

fun with the role. I think he decides like I'm

gonna Have fun with this and joke around and

it's more like the that witty Spider -man that

we've kind of expected, you know come to come

to love. So yeah, it's like it's right out of

the comics You know like his his dialogue his

insults and stuff. It really reflects that a

lot in this movie They did an even better job

of it. I think You know just some of the things

that he was saying like in the middle of his

fights and stuff It was really entertaining and

I think like he has some confidence. They're

talking to Gwen to You know, like, I mean, in

the first movie, when they showed them kind of

asking kind of asking each other out, they're

both super shy and everything. But in this movie,

you see that shy guy kind of go away. He's a

little bit more confident in his like speaking

to Emma Stone and all the other people in his

life. It seems like he's kind of coming into

his own stuff like that. But you mentioned the

the goblin character and how it's such a great

story. And I think it was really. Underdeveloped

in this movie really too quickly done. I realized

they had to pack a lot into this one movie, but

Maybe that was kind of the problem. It seemed

like really rushed, you know. Oh, yeah, definitely

if you count I mean Totally Peter Parker and

Harry Osborn have two scenes together And one

with him and spider -man and then like that's

it. It's like alright. I mean, I like those scenes

I like them together that I think they like do

come across as friends and you know, they do

have some, like you said, some human moments,

but it felt like it was leading to that moment,

like leading to something. And then it just like,

it's like when you read a comic and you skip

and you miss a few issues and then you pick it

up and you're like, Oh, I missed something. Like

that's what it felt like. It felt like there

were issues missing in this comic. Yeah. They

did a decent job of kind of portraying that friendship,

but It didn't feel like I don't okay. They haven't

seen each other in like ten years and so finally

they're kind of like rekindling that relationship

a little bit and It just felt it's like okay.

We walked down to the river. We had this talk

and now we're suddenly best friends again Yeah,

it didn't really sell me on that. Like I don't

know. I don't know what you guys thought about

that, but I Don't know Greg. What did you think

of it? Well, I guess the whole movie as a whole

and That relationship. Well, I thought it was

weird that Andrew Garfield did not eat lasagna

at all You know what and he had no issues with

Mondays. I was right. It was weird and there

was no yellow dog I was just thrown off by that.

All right easy jokes aside I thought it was Much

better than the first franchise and I agree with

you guys about the whole Toby McGuire and Andrew

Garfield Andrew Garfield is a much better Peter

Parker slash spider -man I never I never liked

Toby McGuire in the the spider -man roles he

just kind of made me feel oaky I Think Garfield

does make it better spider -man, but I don't

think he makes a better Peter Parker Maybe more

so on this one though. He doesn't have much to

do as Peter Parker Like toward McGuire, I do

agree at times he got a little too money but

I also feel like he has an everyman quality that

you need in spider -man and I think he looked

dopey though Peter Parker supposed to be smart

Toby McGuire just looked dopey the entire time

I Guess I but to me he conveys intelligence a

lot more than Andrew Garfield does like Andrew

Garfield's character doesn't Never get the sense

that Peter Parker is also an intelligent Like

mind or has that scientific mind at all. They

don't well one they don't really spend much time

exploring that territory Well, they they kind

of go into him and like making stuff to stuff

up and inventing things in the the first one

where he's making his web shooters and everything

and Him going through the science with emma stone,

which I thought it was weird that they made her

smarter than him Yeah, they were trying to make

up for that a little bit Yeah, and I agree in

the first one you see that in this one you don't

at all and like I was gonna point to that like

he kind of Doesn't like like you talk like am

I still basically talks down to them like weren't

you in third grade science? And there was to

be a great scientific mind you think he would

Know that headers, you know, so he's also got

some Detective genius skills working in there

too a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, he becomes partially

Batman as he goes to the parent Peter Parker

Batcave that Exists in the subway that that whole

part seemed like really unnecessary I don't know

if you guys agree with that, but I think like

there was a way that he could have seen that

information taken in that information without

like going there and experiencing that. I felt

like it just led to nowhere. It was like this

big elaborate thing like here pops this thing

and it's all secretive and then they didn't do

anything with it, you know. No, the only the

only reason I felt like that was there was so

that you know that the serum is not gonna work

on Harry Osborne because You need to have Peter

Parker's, you know DNA in order for it to work

but it does feel like a leftover scene from last

week because That was like what they sold that

movie on was finally you get to find out what

happened to Peter Parker's parents you didn't

but here we kind of do and it just I don't know

to me like that huge mystery that they built

up over two movies and It was just kind of I

wasn't I don't know. It didn't wasn't all that

great of a answer to that mystery It's basically

all you are selling weapons. So we ran away and

then we uploaded this video in the most inconvenient

way possible Also with those things they they

kind of had to edit some things out because in

Number two they had just Peter there in the hall

with his parents as they were leaving but in

the the first one Uncle Ben and Aunt May were

They're hanging out and there were some other

little things that I don't remember. But I watched

the first one and the second one because Chuck

lent me the first movie after I saw the second

one. Very graciously. Thanks, Chuck. Sharing

the love. Sharing the love. That's right. Yeah,

it's funny too. I know we're talking to go back

a little bit to the Harry Osborn thing. I felt

like they maybe could have started that in the

first movie. just to kind of introduce him and

maybe would have built up that friendship a little

more and then it would have made the moment that

Harry kind of turns would have made it like even

more shocking and more like riveting and stuff

like that because I guess him kind of turning

after such a short buildup to their relationship

I don't think it was as effective and I know

Greg and I were talking about this too when when

he takes Takes the wealth first. Let me say too

We're doing a little bit of spoilers here. I'm

gonna try not to give up too much But honestly,

we can give up more than was given up in the

trailer. Yeah Literally the last scene of the

movie is in the trailer. So the eight different

Clips and trailers and crap that they release

too, but I'll put a little I'll put a little

bit of a like a stinger at the beginning saying

hey There'll be spoilers and give them a time

stamp. So feel free to spoil the hell out of

the movie. So Alrighty Yeah, and I know I know

Greg and I talked a little bit about this after

we saw the movie When when Harry kind of injects

himself with the the spider venom? And I know,

Dan, you mentioned this on your review, too.

It kind of didn't make sense because it's like,

wouldn't you like test this first? Like, you

just like, oh, there's this violet green stuff.

Let's just jam it into my veins. Plus, plus he's

transforming and dying much faster than his father

was. Exactly. His father was like, what, in his

50s or 60s? Yeah. Yeah. That makes no sense.

And he's going through it in his, what, teenage

years? What the hell? Yeah. I mean, it's like,

oh, you're dying. 30 to 40 years, but i'm gonna

need this now. I just that that was the issue.

It's like a lot I mean the motivations were there

for some of those characters, but They were so

either broad or so like rush that didn't really

make sense like the harry osborne thing is perfect

because it's like Oh, I need to become I need

this blood immediately. I need to inject it into

myself Like you mentioned i'm like, well you

have a billion trillion dollar scientific lab

like feet away from your like House why not?

I don't know try to test it a little bit or why

just like others I don't know that to me was

like it was a little bit of a rush and like him

becoming the Green Goblin was just because of

happenstance and like oh I found this art this

file online about this healing suit that I'm

gonna put on and Also have pumpkin bombs for

no apparent reason. It's just yeah Well, even

even when he's on the floor after he injects

himself and he's like, you know writhing in pain

and like Surely he's not able to concentrate

on anything, but he happens to look up and sees

this armor and it's kind of like, oh, I have

to just get to that and put that on right away.

Oh, this is so convenient. Oh, I mean, I realize,

like, they tell you that it has healing abilities.

But like, how is that your first option? Like,

I don't know, like. You just like I have to crawl

to that and get into that and then I have to

jump on this glider and fly around. And like

and also be really good at using this glider

even though I've never done it. It comes with

the serum it comes with the serum since we're

talking about the kind of origins of villains

I thought Electro's kind of how he got his powers

was. Really strange of just falling into a vat

of water with electric yields because I'm pretty

sure over the years that's probably happened

to people in real life. And they just die so

it was kind of a giant leap I know we have a

spider biting a guy and he transforms but at

least it's. radioactive. I don't think they did

a great his job of explaining Electro's origins.

And I also found a website that has like news

thing where it was like 10 things that they found

kind of wrong or weird or left unexplained. And

another thing with Electro when they have them

at Ravencroft, they put him in water to imprison

him. But he has nothing over his mouth. Like

there's no breathing device. But they postulated

that since he's just made of electricity that

he doesn't need to breathe which Did the people

in the on the website made a good excuse for

him? But there are there were some other things

in there, too That was kind of weird how they

did that to you like I could just jump into the

socket and like I don't know Where the hell did

he get a suit from I know that has a lightning

bolt on it Macy says that stuff. Yeah. I mean,

yes, excuse me, sir. Can you can you please fit

me for an electro suit? The guy's getting electrocuted

while he's measuring him. We need another guy

over here. Yeah. What about like, what do you

guys think of his dialogue as electro? Like,

wasn't it like really corny and childish at times?

Well, I think the character is supposed to be

corny and a little bit childish. She's not really

well socially developed, so I bother me too much.

And I know I read that on Dan's review and I

laughed when I read it because I had the same

exact thing written down. It sounded like a Saturday

morning cartoon for like little little kids.

Like some of the stuff you're saying, like the

superhero squad, TV show. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

I didn't obviously like that character was just.

It was a broad like his look is nerdy look i

was like oh it looks like a nerd from a safe

by the bell tv episode. Like the pocket protector

the crazy hair i'm like come on now like i mean

i get it like he's supposed to be crazy but he's

also a scientist you think he would i don't know

be articulate a little bit. I honestly think

if you get rid of electro completely this movie

can be so much better. You can like develop that

Harry Osborn storyline. You can really make that

last moment mean something because like we are

doing spoilers. So I guess we'll have to get

there eventually. But like the grand Gwen Stacy

dying moment, like I thought, wow, I know. What?

Surprisingly, when Gwen Stacy had graduation

speech is about death. She died at the end. Who

would have saw that coming? What? I know. My

mind and the teenage girls that were sitting

behind us, mind blown. Yeah, there were some

people in the theater that had some funny reactions

behind us, because it's funny, like when you're

always a comic book fan, like, you know what's

going to happen. And, you know, you kind of wait

for other people's reactions because they have

no clue what's coming there for Andrew Garfield.

Yeah. And like, you know, everything they did.

as a cute couple, people were like, oh, and I'm

thinking they have no idea she's going to die

in about five minutes. And but it was funny,

like when when he caught her with the webbing

and she kind of like, you know, snapped her neck

or hit her head, however they did it, it looked

like she hit her head almost to. Yeah, it was

very close. Yeah. But the people behind me were

like. Oh my God, did she die? And then like they

would wait and be like, I think she did. Oh my

God. And it was just funny to listen to everybody

that like didn't know that was coming. But yeah,

yeah. I mean, I did like the moment like Garfield.

I think he's a really good actor besides just

the Spider -Man films. I liked him a lot of stuff.

And I thought that was actually a really great

moment like him, like because that was, like

I said, that relationship actually I thought

worked and he really sold it. But it just it

doesn't work like it could have been so much

better. In the comic the green goblin spiderman

story kind of built to this crescendo where that

was like a defining moment Where but that was

the only moment that they those two characters

had it was like it's like, you know Starting

a movie and going right to your climax and then

ending it's like well kind of build some stuff

up here Well, they kind of did with detective

stacey like they built it up with him a little

bit with with the first one of uh, don't let

don't Stick around my daughter something might

happen to her. They they built it up that way

I know they needed to build it up better with

the Green Goblin, but at least they built it

up some way with him I found a little weird that

Stacey kept popping up, but Yeah, I mean like

the death of her makes sense because it was clearly

leading to that in a lot of different ways You

know once you see dead Dennis Larry in a cop

car. You're like, okay Gwen says he's gonna die

because he's gonna screw up and then But like

you mentioned I was just it was more so and how

that like how it was the Green Goblin that did

it It meant something because it was such this

back and forth between the characters and it

was finally like alright That is like like that

is the top moment like where do you go from there?

Like what more can he do he unless he kills spider

-man like he's now killed his love his his like

The relationship that he's cherished the most,

maybe besides his aunt, like where else can like,

how can they top that without, you know, on a

personal level? So it's so wants to get to that

center of success that it doesn't really care

how it gets there. It's just going to try to

push as much stuff in there as we could. So yeah.

And that, and that green goblin storyline is

something that needs to kind of stew and kind

of develop because a green goblin knows. Peter's

identity for a long time and it's just kind of

that back and forth like toying with him and

you kind of you kind of deprived of that a little

bit in this because it was so rushed and That's

what makes that climax. So Thrilling, you know

in the comic it's because he kind of knows it's

Peter and he's messing with them this whole time

And then he finally takes the one thing from

him that like means the most and I guess It's

still a shocking moment, but you get deprived

of that a little bit in this Yeah, like it works

within the relationship between Peter Parker

and Gwen Stacy but with a relationship between

Queen Goblin and spider -man not so much But

uh, I guess we can maybe talk about like the

action overall because a lot of those issues

I kind of like I mentioned in my review. I kind

of we kind of expected some of those Overall,

I thought the action I like the beginning like

car chase. I thought like oh great. We're starting

off a really high note here I really like this.

It's spider -man being wacky and fun. I had a

problem with that actually Really? I seriously

do I seriously did enjoy this movie and I like

it so much more than the first franchise but

I I found it weird that Spider -man's joking

which I love I like that he's joking but he's

pausing and taking time Well, I forget his and

I don't know how to say his actual name, but

the rhino is just Paul Giamatti. Yeah, Paul Giamatti

is just plowing people over and like running

through traffic and he's just there sitting jokes

in the comics. He's making jokes, but he's also

moving and trying to get shit done while doing

jokes. True, true. I found that a little unsuperhero

like. I could agree with that. That was my only

fault with the. Yeah, what I did like about that

though is like how it displayed like the web

shooting and like like it was first person a

little bit But not too much and how would like

move the camera felt there was a lot of physicality

to them to the movement Obviously ten years since

like the first part of a movie that they've greatly

improved upon that But after that I just there

were some really interesting there are moments

I liked like in the Times Square sequence where

it Does like the spider sense and you see how

he's gonna kind of save all these different people

from Electro and then like like webbing the railing

to stopping the car But like the final just electro

him showdown. I just felt it get really repetitive

And it was just him dodging electric bolts over

and over again. There was like no bitty spider

thing was fun though Yeah, I don't know. There

was like no progression to the action like if

I look at something like the train train sequence

in Spider -man 2 Which is far superior to anything

in this movie That's a situation that works because

the motivations of those characters are clearly

thought out and then there's a progression to

that action There's a clear defined motivation

and you know what's happening and there's a build

-up a letdown it there's it goes and it's not

it's always something a little bit different

that subverts your expectations and this it was

just kind of like Okay, he's gonna jump and miss

electricity for Fifteen minutes, so I don't know

if I'm alone on that. I guess Greg. It sounds

like you you disagree with me. Well, I enjoyed

the little bit about the itsy bitsy spider part.

I I wasn't totally wrapped up in the action at

that end scene that you're talking about. I did

enjoy the first initial chase scene with Paul

Giamatti on serious your superhero like aside.

I thought it was really good and I like seeing

how. Spider -man kind of jumps flips around.

He's a lot more like the comics like Chuck's

been saying for a while Yeah, I love the agility

of of him in this movie and yeah, like even even

the first movie But I feel like they're finally

doing justice to his powers and abilities like

just lightning fast reflexes and flips and jumps

and spinning and twisting I thought it was Superior

to how say Sam Raimi did it in his movies I I

think he just looks so much more spider -like

in how he moves. I Really like that aspect of

it. Yeah, I agree Anything else we need to touch

on I guess I have something I'd like to talk

about okay, I I felt the music was kind of out

of Place for this movie. Yeah, I agree with that.

It really took me out. I felt it was like really

Bombastic there were a couple songs in there

that were fine and fit well with what was going

on But I felt like others were really out of

place and really bombastic where they really

shouldn't have been it felt like the like the

superman like, you know, the john williams superman

score at times It was trying to be like really

heroic and that's that's not really the character

of spider -man he he's heroic but it's not like

yeah it's not like a superman like you said it's

spider -man yeah he's a street level guy i didn't

like the also the The one electro song at Times

Square where you like they have inner monologue

coming through The score like where you like

here. It's like yeah I thought that was a little

bit much. I was just like alright It's just like

it to me it just it was at first confusing because

I'm like is he like talking because he's you

know electrified through something is does he

need and then like oh no, it's a score and Then

to like the score they had for Um, I forget his

regular name. It's mac something max dylan max

dylan when he was max dylan like the dupe to

dupe score like it was like Really? It felt like

a you know looney tune score behind him every

time he was walking It's like just in case you

don't realize he's kind of a dork Here's a song

that kind of the glasses and the hair didn't

tip you off. Yeah, so I agree I wasn't I wasn't

a fan of the music I did love the interaction

in the beginning where fighter man actually saves

him and just the interaction he has with him.

And I thought that was really funny. And he had

him like lick his glove and then he, you know,

parted his hair and stuff. And he's like telling

him, I need you, my eyes and ears. I thought

that was well done. But I do have a couple of

things left that I wanted to mention too. I know

we've been ragging on it quite a bit. There's

a lot of kind of obvious negative things to pick

out from this, but there's a lot that I did love.

And I think like overall. Overall, I walked away.

I'm with a good feeling from the movie I did

enjoy it and I think if I watch a second time

I'd probably like it even more but I gotta say

my favorite scene in the whole movie. Is the

scene with the little boy in the spider man costume.

I think that first off that's like the bravest

kid ever and but I don't think that it was included

just for fun and. i think i think the scene like

shows really what a hero can mean to kids and

i thought it was i was really happy that they

left that in there it was important scene just

shows like how much influence a hero can have

on kids and how much they try to mimic someone

that they look up to and kind of where they get

their values and stuff like that and it's kind

of like the essence of comics and the message

of hope and bravery and doing the right thing

that you know as comic readers like we all kind

of grew up with and I thought actually that scene

was the best in the whole movie because of that.

It really drove that point home. I've never really

seen never really seen him do that too much in

another comic book movie. I know there was a

scene in Iron Man where the kid was wearing an

Iron Man mask, but I thought this was done even

better. What did you guys think of that scene?

Greg, what did you think? I thought it was. better

than iron man but i think iron man was using

it more of a joke whereas spider -man was using

it more as a an emotional vehicle yeah i i just

kind of thought it was weird that the cops were

like just stay away and nobody's doing a damn

thing with this yeah nobody went to grab the

kid yeah but i i did feel like there was a purpose

behind that scene and i kind of could appreciate

that and and it made wine all seem like much

more of a dick I know it's like this kid. I'm

just gonna keep shooting I Did like it I do think

like the one through line through like every

spider -man movie There's always that one moment

where it's like representing what? Spider -man

means to New York City within the movie work

that the the world of the movie and then as a

whole Two people like you think about the first

spider -man movie The like the the rammy version

where you have like people throwing rocks a green

goblin the the spiderman 2 with them like holding

him after He exhausts his energy after the train

last Movie where they have that crane sequence

and then and then this one I would say I think

it's much better than like the crane sequence

I think it for one it makes more sense and I

didn't even realize it at first But that was

the kid that he kind of helped out with like

the science project Yeah, yeah, I didn't I completely

didn't didn't realize that so it added a little

bit to it cuz you'd like oh you kind of see why

He idolizes him even more because of that moment

like if you were a kid and that really happened

I think you can understand why he would do that

and why would I lie to him so much? So yeah,

I think it was a good representation. I just

wish we got that Rhino fight that that ended

up I know I was very disappointed in that. Yeah,

it's funny. Like you said to you like they show

it and The trailers and it was literally the

last scene and that's where they ended and I'm

like what the hell Really want to see that fight.

Yeah, and I'd like to say They're gonna pick

up in the middle for the third movie, but I don't

think that they're gonna Yeah, I'm sure the Rhino

is gonna come back in some form. I What do you

guys better than that costume? Oh my god. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah The Zord costume from like Lord Zed

like what? Yeah, and having like having guns

on it was kind of weird too and shooting missiles

and stuff But could either of you guys understand

anything Paul Giamatti was saying no I just something

about kid and I heard yeah, I was it was really

jumbled and I could not understand it at all

But yeah, my friend the Sandman said this would

be a good movie for me to take. I will say, too,

this is something that maybe we haven't really

touched on yet, but it's been two movies so far

in this franchise and they still have not addressed.

As far as actual on screen presence, they have

not addressed J. Jonah Jameson. Yeah, they kind

of hinted at it. Yeah, they they mentioned him

where you see this kind of email title. Which

is fun, but I really think he's an important

character of the story, and I would love to see

them bring him into the fold. Yeah, I'd be OK,

too, if they got JK Simmons back. I don't care

if he's from the other version. I just don't.

I just don't think you can do better than JK

Simmons. Absolutely. If they could get him away

from farmers. She's hilarious on those, too.

Yeah. Well, he had he had some show going on

where he played like a blind guy, but I think

it's getting canceled. So, hey, that Jameson

character, I think it would add so much more

depth and like another layer to the movie. I

think that would be great. Yeah. And I know.

I mean, I did. I've been writing out a lot. And

there were like I said, there are like the human

side of it for the most part. I did like and

especially there's a really great scene between

Aunt May and Peter Parker, where she's kind of

where he's trying to ask about his father. Like

you see it affects her and she talks about, well,

why? Is he doing this because he's really you

know, you're my son I thought that movie that

moment worked and it was something that they

didn't really explore in the last rami verse

and I thought sally field was really good and

it really showed that like a relationship between

Aunt may and peter parker a little bit more in

depth than the last film. Yeah, I agree They

didn't just use her as like the damsel in distress

kind of like like they did in the same rami movies,

but by the way in this version Aunt May totally

knows he's Spider -Man. Oh, yeah. Greg and I

were talking about that one. She she knows like

there was a moment where she did something. I'm

like, oh, she knows. Yeah. So I'm thinking in

my mind, OK, well, she knows. So she's the next

person to die. That's when all these cows, you

know, in the next movie, maybe they'll kill her

off. Yeah. When she little kid in the first movie

is dead after he took off the mask. Yeah. But

I just hope they don't have Aunt May marry Dr.

Octopus comics. Yeah, once once she walks in,

you see her look up and see the light swinging.

I think that's kind of a hint. And then Spider

-Man happens to stop being Spider -Man for five

months after Grant Stacey dies. And then just

the look she gives him to Sally Field does a

great job with those little looks or you can

tell. Yeah. And how he didn't want her to wash

the laundry and stuff like that. Yeah. And I

also I should mention, like, like how it Portrayed

like the after death of Trent Stacy and you just

see him at the grave for like five months as

a season scale It's kind of a cliche, but I thought

was I thought I was so effective. Yeah. Yeah

that it was a Kind of a variation on a theme.

It was it was well done. Yeah And it's kind of

I feel bad that we're losing Gwen Stacy because

I thought Emma Stone did her job She's it's kind

of her prototypical character of very Cute girl,

but got a little bit of an attitude and can fire

shots right back at you, which is always fun

with her Yeah, I know they they had like shayling

woodley was cast as mary jane and they had scenes

with her and I I guess they took him out which

I think was a smart move because I think that

would kind of check from Um, oh shit. What was

that movie that I watched divergent? Yes Okay.

Yeah, I don't want she doesn't make up. She wouldn't

make a good Mary Jane no, I think I'm a Watson

when they first cast Emma Watson. I'm like, she's

a perfect Mary Jane Gwen Stacy like Jesus. It's

funny. She's a natural redhead and she's playing

Gwen's Gwen Stacy. And then you have Kirsten

Dunn, who's naturally blonde, who played Mary

Jane. So I guess I just like to make things difficult

on the Harry people. But yeah, I totally agree,

Greg. That's a huge asset to the movie. That's

one of the major. Strong points of these movies

and now they've lost that so yeah, what's the

girl behind us? We're all into that like oh,

he's so sweet. He's spelled. I love you on the

bridge and the whole time I'm like God there's

if a guy's trying to be this romantic to you

You're gonna think he's creepy or just be like

fuck it and screw this guy. I give up You also

think like that may not be the smartest thing

in the world if you're trying to be you know

have a secret identity is to put i love you and

then go to the top of that bridge and have your

mask off people do have high power cameras That's

very true Plus with with her um her getting followed

by him after they break up for that little bit

Yeah, like he he follows her around and they

kind of cover that that he he was falling around

like he says that to her and in my head i'm going

Dude any other girl would be like get the fuck

away from me. You are goddamn creepy girls behind

here going. Oh And then after about five or ten

minutes I hear one of them go be kind of creepy

though a little bit. I'm like It's okay though

cuz he's a superhero it puts a new spin on the

whole like web stocking type of stuff so But

yeah, I think it would be interesting like as

they move forward here like into the third movie

Like, who's going to take up that mantle that

Emma Stone had as Gwen Stacy? Like, is the person

they're going to get for Mary Jane going to be

good enough? Is she going to be on par to make,

I guess, a good counterpart for Andrew Garfield

on screen? Because I think he's a great actor,

like Dan said, on his own, but he needs that

other actress to go along with him to really

carry the movie. So hopefully they can. It's

just gonna be on a the rest of the next movie

Marrying doc. Well, do you guys know I guess

there are a real -life couple? I knew that I

did hear that I think yeah, I'm up on my gossip

y 'all like that could explain the good chemistry

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess I guess that works.

So I guess you know Andrew Garfield just has

to you know, go out with the next person that

he has on screen and that will work I wonder

if they will like have a love interest I could

see them like introducing a Mary Jane character

But not really like pushing maybe waiting for

that to become more than that. I don't know Maybe

Aunt May saying there's a the girl next door

I want you to meet her and everything and start

setting up that way and then maybe at the end

of the movie She's at the door and you just hit

the the jackpot tiger. Yeah. Yeah Did I pretty

sweet setup? Maybe they'll kind of start bringing

Like today the bugle and jamison into it more

maybe they'll have like Something going on with

like him and betty brant or something Well, they

did introduce they did mention one character

briefly that felicia hardy. Uh, well assuming

it's felicia. Yes Yeah, he just said felicia.

Yeah, they didn't say her full name But I don't

know if that's just a you know, just to save

themselves just in case they can't get that actress

later on Yeah, they could also go down that route

as well. So yeah, that could be cool, too That

that wouldn't I mean black cat would be kind

of a cool introduced like a cool way to go because

that's not something they've done yet and would

fit into their motif of like having characters

related to some sort of animal with electro and

electric eels and all that stuff so She's gonna

get bit by a electrified cat Yeah, it had been

radioactively charged or something yeah doesn't

she take like the super soldier serum or whatever

it's not I don't remember but I think it was

like a watered down version of it or something

like that. Yeah She just looks to goodness too.

That's all we're going for with her character

True true. All right. Anything else you guys

are going to talk about before we take a break?

No, I think that's about all I had All right.

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and welcome back. today we're going to be looking

at comedic icons and try to determine if there

was a mount rushmore of comedy would be on that

mount rushmore and people have kind of had these

these conversations a lot about different topics

you hear about with sports or those different

things and the way we're looking at it is if

say like an alien came down doesn't know anything

about earth and asks i want to understand comedy

what for people would you give them to Understand

comedy as a whole and we're thinking general

comedy not just stand -up comics not just movie

comics Not just people on television. We're thinking

people as a whole but faces Represent comedy

I would say within the last hundred or so years

I guess give or take so we'll try to try to figure

that out And then you can let us know if we got

it right it wrong Of course because it's the

internet and people like to share their opinions.

So I guess I'll kick this off. And what we'll

do is we'll throw out names and we'll kind of

discuss if we think they should belong on that

Mount Rushmore. Think about it. It's only four

people, which is not that much when you consider

how much comedy entails. But we'll try to try

to narrow it down. And I think we'll start with

an easy one. And it's what I think might be an

automatic yes for a lot of us. And that's because

it's a person who I think has represented modern

day comedy. And by modern day, I say from 1980

till today. He's a person that's been in movies.

He's been in stand -up. He's bought been on sketch

shows I think universally if you don't think

this person is funny it's on you and It's a person

that I think that has done all sorts of comedy

from slapstick to more subtle And it's still

funny as a person in general and that is Bill

Murray Yeah, I definitely had Bill Murray up

there And that's why i'm starting with him because

i figure if you ask some people like who is the

funniest person alive right now I think out of

a hundred people Half of those would probably

go to someone like bill murray. Maybe not as

much today because he's not as big of a name

But you know think about the movies groundhog

day stripes ghostbusters. He's just a funny person

in general There's all these infamous stories

about him about there's this one where he was

goes up to someone named mcdonald steals a Fry

off their plate eats it and says no one will

ever believe you and walks away. I'm like, that's

tough. That's pretty bad ass. I think a lot of

comics have tried to been like Bill Murray, but

there's no one quite like him. He can take any

line and make it funny. Like even if the line.

Reading it off the page isn't funny. He makes

it funny. And like I said, he's done. He was

on SNL. He has some of the best comedy movies

of all time, like a number of them. So I just

think if you're going to talk comedy, it begins

and ends with someone like Bill Murray. Yeah,

I mean, just the body of work he had, like you

mentioned some of his movies and the ironic thing

is he was in a movie titled Rushmore. So I think

just because of that, we have to put him on here.

The other thing too about him is, I don't know

if a lot of people have heard this, but he's

terrific at improv. And a lot of his movie lines

are completely improvised. I know a lot of them

on Caddyshack, the directors and stuff said they

would just leave the camera, keep rolling on

him, and he would just go off saying stuff. And

a lot of it they kept in the movie because it

was just freaking hilarious and it was right

off the top of his head. And it's it's one thing

to take stuff off a script and convey it in a

funny way, but it's something else to just be

in that situation and come up with new funny

stuff off the top of your head and just make

the entire crew just crack up in laughter. But

yeah, really, really impressive comedian and

actor. Greg, what do you think? Do you think

he belongs on Mount Rushmore of comedy? I think

we should just get out the dynamite chisels.

There'd be a lot of a lot of work on his face

though. He's a little pockmarked but uh, yeah,

he's he's definitely Comedian that I grew up

with and it's kind of the first person that came

to mind for me when we decided that This is what

we were gonna do this entire week also, by the

way Whenever you say that alien thing like an

alien came to earth and who we would just show

I always think about Superman because I Feeling

he has no idea Like I don't think he knows what

funny is I don't think they have a lot of stand

-up comedians and Krypton Maybe that's what cross

that way. Maybe that was the issue. Maybe that

was odd problem. He just didn't have any kind

of comedy So we're starting off fresh with a

Bill Murray I think that you know, it's like

starting a sports Matt Rushmore with Michael

Jordan It's like it's an it's a it's an obvious

choice. So somebody else have a name. They wanted

to kind of throw out and see If we also agree

that they if they belong in Mount Rushmore, I

guess I had one. I think this is kind of an easy

one, too. I'm hoping anyway, because I think

his body of work is just as impressive. And he's

someone that's been in a lot of different genres.

He's done a lot of stand up work, a lot of movies,

a lot of TV is on SNL for a long time. And that

is none other than Eddie Murphy. See, I thought

about him. I do. I do see what you. Where you're

going? I mean in the 1980s in the bellies hill

hills cop movies. You have edmy murphy raw I'm

a little america. Yeah, i'm a little more places.

Oh, those are my two favorites chuck Yeah, they

were funny stuff i'm a little more hesitant on

eddie murray and eddie murphy just because You

think about it like almost like his last 20 years

Or since like, you know, the 2000s has done everything

possible to kind of do away with everything he

did prior with movies like norbert and You know

just like meet dave just a lot of not really

great Movies unlike someone like bill murray.

I feel like he has something coming out. That's

generally good every so often I do think he's

certainly in the discussion. I just don't know

if it's a A slam dunk like a bill murray. I don't

know greg. What do you think? There's so many

people to choose from and he's just been Shitting

in a bucket lately We need to make that a t -shirt

Well, I just put a giant bucket on a t -shirt

a giant pale I think he's expanded his horizons

though He's done a lot of different things and

he's proved that he can move into like children's

comedy and like family comedies done stuff like

dr. Doolittle Pretty popular Stuff like his voice

work for Shrek Yeah, maybe he's a diamond in

the rough. I don't know. He's he's been putting

a lot of crap around that diamond though lately

I mean his resume like if you stack up his accomplishments

are certainly there I just think there's a little

bit of things that detract from it as well like

I think if I mean I guess you'd say that about

any president or any person that we come up with

but I just think maybe we hold off on him definitely

a definite yes for now and maybe we go back and

think and we and we reassess because You know,

like Eddie Murphy raw is one of the best stand

-up specials everybody also kind of get away

from that Look, but like you said he did expand

your territory and when he came on SNL I think

he did bring in an entire new like life to that

show with some of the characters he created like

man Gumby and Buckwheat in the mr. Rogers neighborhood

or whatever he did. He's certainly funny I just

I'm just thinking like Bill Murray has done similar

things that he did Even better. So maybe there's

other people that cover different territory Yeah,

I see what you guys are saying like we could

hold off to me I mean personally he's more of

a slam dunk than Bill Murray to me if I was making

a list but I see what you guys are saying as

far as like Not making stuff lately and everything

and there's certainly a lot of other candidates

You know that could easily take his place so

we could look at some other ones I know I kind

of still one of yours already Greg, but did you

have another person in mind at all? Well, I think

I've got a guy that's kind of in the same vein

as Bill Murray, but a little bit more wacky crazy,

and that guy is Robin Williams. He's kind of

gotten a little zany over the past maybe decade

or so, but he's come out with some great movies.

Mrs. Doubtfire, which apparently they're going

to be making a second one at some point. There's

some scuttlebutt out there. but he's done some

great stuff i know he's got jumanji but um it's

it's not a comedic role so at least he's not

doing bad in a comedic role but he's very quick

-witted he's got like all these weird nutty voices

that he does and he's he's in snickers commercials

yes he has a tv show now too The crazy ones.

Yeah, which is uh, okay. I I watched like the

first like four episodes. I'm like, uh, I I can

do better I do like robin williams. I do think

he's funny But the funny thing about robin williams

is I think I prefer him in dramatic roles compared

to his comedic roles Like in uh, did poet society

or goodwill hunting? Well, what's the one he

did with the the pictures that one hour photo.

Oh, whatever. That was creepy That was so good.

Yeah, he I think he is better Not I think he's

funny, but I think I find him even more effective

in those type of roles and when he's being comedic

I mean he does like you know a mile a minute

I mean think of something like the genie in Aladdin

like that that character was like my childhood

I do think he's a contender. I just I just wonder

if his comedy is kind of He kind of has a certain

stick that he goes with I just wondered does

he really go beyond that enough to really encompass

some Beyond Funny Voices, A Mile a Minute, Quick

Wit, would you put him against someone who has

more components to their comedy that we could

come up with as well? I don't know if that made

any sense. Yeah. I mean, I turn for me, he's

someone that I had written down to be at the

top of my list. I think Dan brings up a good

point with him moving into more dramatic roles

later in his career. I do like his earlier Work

like he had the TV show Mork and Mindy very funny

on that and then like you guys mentioned Mrs.

Doubtfire was probably his biggest hit or Yeah,

yeah hook I don't know. I I wouldn't be against

putting him on the Mount Rushmore I think maybe

there's some other ones we could kind of break

down first, but I definitely wouldn't be against

it Okay, so what we'll put him on the short list

for right now. So we got Bill Murray is a pretty

definite and we have Robin Williams as kind of

a strong contender. I guess I had one I wanted

to bring up. It's kind of in a different ballpark

from where we've been going with comedians. Well,

this guy is technically a comedian, but I'm more

thinking of when Mount Rushmore of comedy, someone

who has had a huge impact on growing comedy to

new audiences and someone who I think is a household

was a household name. Unlike any other and a

person that people looked at as a person who

not only was a comedic legend its own right?

But made comics into stars made and that was

Johnny Carson. Ah, yes The Tonight Show with

Johnny Carson was I mean obviously was during

a time when there was what the four channels

and two of them are PBS So, you know, he owned

late night television you think about like the

late -night explosion that we're getting now

His setup was kind of what well he there was

one that came before him like it's all then but.

People look at him for it for stand up especially

you think of people like jerry seinfeld people

like to carry somewhere the big comedians today.

Don't you care is on the prices right so maybe

that he's not the best example but a lot of the

big comedians have looked. At the tonight show

as their big break like after the tonight show

they became huge especially if like he gave them

the okay symbol or if they brought if he brought

them to the to the couch to talk to that was

like one of the biggest gifts any comedian could

have was doing that and Maybe Carson himself

isn't the most hilarious person in the world

I don't think a lot of this comedy holds up today

But when you look at the impact he had on just

comedy as a whole I do think he belongs he would

belong there just because of what he meant. I

don't know what you guys think Chuck Carson's

actually somebody that I had a couple mock Rush

Morris that I was making up and I had him on

a couple of them like you said so many guys got

their big break on that show and you look at

even even other hosts of late shows and tonight

shows like David Letterman and Jay Leno appeared

on the Johnny Carson show Eddie Murphy and Rodney

Dangerfield and so many guys like That was how

they were introduced to America. And like you

said, Dan, maybe maybe Carson wasn't the best

at standing up there and doing some standup routines.

But just we brought people in, interviewed them

and showed off their best qualities to America.

I think he's he's got to be in the discussion.

I think I think he's got my vote, honestly. Greg,

what do you think? I think he's the best when

he's got those animals on his desk. I didn't

get to see much of him because he's a little

bit, I was a little too young to stay up that

late and actually watch. And by animals, you

don't mean his like wives, right? You mean actual

animals? His wives? He had like five wives. I

don't mean his wives. Yeah, there's actually

a really good doc on Netflix about him. I highly

recommend people watch. But yeah, I kind of agree

with Chuck that maybe the jokes maybe don't hold

up. But for back in the day, he was he was definitely

a good example of comedy. And my dad always used

to talk him up. And like anytime they mentioned

Jay Leno or Letterman, or they were trying to

make comparisons between Jimmy Fallon and And

him and and my dad was always like nobody can

touch up nobody That's what you did at all that's

what the other dad talks like yeah, that's that's

the other death To get me out of this fucking

date dad It's a long title you should like advertise

that or something. It's like Greg Bappler aka

possibly your father That's terribly that would

be horrible if I'm trying if I'm trying to hook

up with the girl afterwards Who's your daddy?

Well, you are sort of I'm not sure who I'm so

who I'm supposed to call after if this goes wrong,

but Do you call you to help out anymore? Do you

you yell at yourself and you get caught then

then? Run out the window. Okay, so we'll put

Johnny Carson as a very strong contender right

now. So Who else do we think you know belongs

in this discussion? Well, I think you have to

consider Somebody who's who's got the comedy

world a buzz in in the present time and I think

everybody's talking about care top Well, he's

got the same kind of color hair going on. I'm

talking about Louis CK anytime you go like your

discussions amongst comedians, they always say

how Louis ck is freaking hilarious and he's changing

game not only with his comedy but he's he's changing

how business gets done in the comedy world he's

doing these things where he's trying to make

it where i can get people in the seats who maybe

don't have as much money they don't have to spend

as much but he's still making a good profit he's

cutting out the middle man. But on top of that,

the man is fricking hilarious. He's he's got

two comedy specials on Netflix. I've watched

both. He's got this great joke where he talks

about his his girls and him having to go to the

bathroom and like he can't really go after them

because he's chitting in a bucket. And he's still

our joke. Oh, my God. When I heard that, I seriously

my stomach hurt. So much after that and his,

his comedy stuff is just kind of like one joke

right after the other, right after the other.

He's got some really great modern scenarios of

like guys in front of them in a coffee shop,

uh, calling stuff like awesome and how that word

is way overused. Like you're that Chris Hardwick.

I don't think it was exactly awesome. It may

have been a. some other word but um he's so solid

and he's got his own tv show that's that has

been uh critically acclaimed and he's popping

up in other tv shows so i i think uh louis ck

is getting pretty far up a mountain if not the

mountain yeah i definitely hear he belongs in

discussion a big man i mean he is The top comic

today There's no doubt about that and you do

make a great point how he is kind of redefining

and how he's kind of leading Comedy in a lot

of ways with this TV show how he that's all him

He creates all but basically FX gives them money

and they say go do your thing and then he makes

this TV show And I think that's you see a lot

of people doing that now too in Comedy Central

They kind of follow that similar pattern A lot

of comics are getting like that same kind of

treatment and then he also with his specials

he changed the game and how They distribute that,

you know, not just through hbo or comedy central

but putting it online for five dollars Eliminating

the middle middleman and being able to really

get like digital distribution like no one else

did at that moment and then after that you had

people with similar backgrounds through the same

thing like jim gaffigan kind of followed suit

and other other big comedians looked at that

and thinking hey, I don't have to I can get more

money this way. I can get my name out there quicker

and I can do what I want. I don't have to worry

about sensors or anything like that. So I do

strongly believe he belongs in the discussion.

And I don't know if I'll make the finalist, but

like you mentioned, Greg, he, you know, people

talking about adding Reagan on to Matt Rushmore

as a new president. That'd be like the person

would also add. So I definitely put him on the

short list for right now. Chuck, what do you

think? Really gonna piss Greg off with this,

but I'm gonna guess you're not familiar with

Louis CK. No, I'm very familiar I just don't

like the guy at all I think a lot of his a lot

of his jokes are duds and I just don't see it

like I don't I just don't get his comedy I guess

I've watched his show. I've watched some of his

stand -up and It just doesn't grab me like some

of the other stand -ups do like I guess Maybe

I just don't get it. But I mean, he's definitely

Definitely changing the game like you guys mentioned

and that's that's definitely worth some accolades

and stuff like that I'm just saying like on a

personal level as me Not not really a big fan

of the guy and in his comedy and stuff Yeah,

well I tweets there. I mean, that's the thing

with comedy. So what's the word? I'm not subjective

subjective. Yeah, I mean, I personally love the

wck, but I could see Like my wife's not the biggest

fan either because of some of his jokes. I'm

like, well see he's being ironic and it's like

But I can I can understand where you're coming

from Chuck, but um, we'll put them We'll put

on the short list for now, but obviously not

not a definite We have one definite so far, but

we have a few people on the short list Who else

belongs in this discussion? I would like to make

a case for someone and It's someone that has

a very specific I guess sub genre of comedy.

So maybe that's maybe the deck is stacked against

them kind of a little bit there because they're

not multi talented. But this is someone that's

an impersonator and everyone loves impersonators.

They. That's some of the funniest stuff out there

when you can hear someone do like an impersonation

that is just dead on. It's one of the funniest

things. And I think this guy is probably the

greatest of all time. And that is rich little.

I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with him

at all. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. He was, he was on a

lot of those, uh, Dane, not Dane Cook roast.

Dean Martin roasts. Yeah. Dean Martin roasts

back in the day. Yeah. And this is a guy that

could do over 200 impressions and some of his,

some of his more notable ones were really, really

dead on. I mean, his Jimmy Stewart was like exactly

Jimmy Stewart. And then he also did some true

impersonation stuff, right? Like you actually

dress up as the person and all your mannerisms

mimic the person. He actually did a song, a Johnny

Cash song in Johnny Cash's voice, and it's uncanny.

Like you actually think it's Johnny Cash singing.

I mean, he did a lot of presidents. He did Nixon

and Clinton, Kennedy. He did like Bing Crosby

is Bing Crosby sounds so good. Just so many,

so many. Impressions this guy could do and I

think it was so impressive and he had a he had

a very long career too in a lot of different

things so personally, I would like to make a

case for him just because it's a an area of comedy

that Everyone loves but kind of gets overlooked

in discussions like this. Maybe I don't know

if that makes sense Yeah, I agree when he's a

very talented Impressionist and I think a lot

of people were influenced by the way he did things

and if you look at Impressionist today a lot

of like what they do is kind of modeled after

him for sure My only hesitation about putting

him on it is the fact that you think of like

the Mount Rushmore or comedy I would I think

it has to be a name that you say and Nearly everyone

knows or has an understanding of who that person

is and I think that like I know he is and a lot

of people do but I wonder if I Just wonder if

so much time has passed that he doesn't obviously

get the respect he deserves. So does that does

that kind of hurt? His him being on there like

he doesn't have that iconic look or people may

not even know his name They make they know some

of his comedy is certainly funny I just don't

know if he has that legendary status that he

clearly deserves, but he just for whatever reason

his name hasn't kind of Continued like a Johnny

Carson or some other older comedian. So that's

my only hesitation I would definitely agree with

that. I just thought I thought the guy was too

good not to mention I thought he deserved at

least a little poke in there But I agree that

there's not a lot of people that know who he

is actually Yeah, greg do you agree or what do

you think in there? Well, i've heard the name

before I've never really listened to his stuff.

So that kind of backs up your point dan but uh,

and then there's the other thing like chuck said

of That he's just kind of In that sub genre which

kind of stacks against him And I find impersonations

amusing, but it also has to have that content

with it to make it funny. Like if Chuck does

a lot of impersonations, they're funny because

of the scenario where he'll use the voice where

it fits or the line of that person fits in to

that scenario. So that makes it funny. And since

I don't know the The man or heard of any of this

stuff. I don't know how good his impersonations

are, but since Chuck saying that he is, he's

good. And I know Chuck is, is a stickler for

impersonation. I'll believe him on that, but

I don't know the content behind it. So I can't

really say whether he should be included or not.

Yeah, I definitely get that like I said, I just

I wanted to mention the guy Yeah, and even like

even to get his name out there and I recommend

you guys Checking out some of his stuff, especially

Greg and then anyone else that has never seen

his stuff But I have a very a very tuned ear

to like voices and stuff like that and this guy

There's some of them that are Some of his impressions

are just okay, but there's a lot of them that

are like dead nuts on I just thought I just wanted

to mention him for for fun for the heck of it

So and you know what? Hopefully some people hearing

this will not go out and check his stuff because

it is it is quite impressive The guy was the

guy was like the go -to for impressions for such

a long time I feel like there's that's like one

Category that you have in comedy is like who

is the guy who does impressions like right now?

Probably like Frank Caliendo is one of the most

popular ones and Richard Little had that crown

for such a long time But I guess that's the bad

thing about doing impressions, too. It's you're

doing impressions of people within the moment.

So once those people kind of go away, that that

kind of goes away with it. Like, yeah, we find

John Madden funny. But 10 years from now, I guess

only people will know people will be like, why

is that guy doing an impression of a video game?

So yeah. And one one quick thing I want to mention,

too, is in this person actually may come up later

on, too. But I guess when. Richard Pryor did

some of his Some of his movies and some of his

on -screen work They would actually bring in

rich little to dub over his curse words and stuff

like that with more suitable words For television

and rich little would do a dead -on Richard Pryor

And they actually used him when they to record

over some of the bad words. That's funny. I did

not know that Yeah, I wonder how many other fully

they brought him in for I Don't know One person

i did want to bring up cuz one person we really

haven't we haven't really talked about you know

a lady comic a woman comic and. Unfortunately

i think a lot of those people get unfairly ignored

cuz i think there are a lot of really funny women

out there that aren't just Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.

And one like this is we talked about like having

an iconic name the person i'm thinking of is

lucille ball you know i love lucy was one of

the biggest and still is one of the biggest shows

of all time. She's a knack for physical comedy,

which is hard to do, right? People like a lot

of people try to do what she does. I mean, that

show has been parodied so much. People even today,

I think you say Lucille Ball don't know who she

is. She has that huge red hair, the voice. And

I don't know, maybe she belongs on here. But

you think of like women comics who have kind

of, you know, made a name for themselves and

she made a name for herself when they were, you

know, they were very Few women in comedy at all.

So I do think like she needs to be mentioned

along with like other women comedians I don't

know what you guys think of her. I mean, I mean

people not maybe not love her show But I know

back in the day it was like, you know, one of

the biggest shows of all time All I all I know

her from is is the Lucio ball show and I really

didn't I may get blasted for this. I'm not a

huge fan of the show like It's definitely a comedy

for that time and everything. But when I do think

of comedy and I do think of female comedians,

I do kind of go towards her a lot. I'm not really

a big fan of her brand of humor. I do enjoy slapstick

though, but I don't know. There's something there

that I don't care for. that much, I'll watch

the show and everything if it's on. But if there's

other stuff on, I'll definitely change the channel.

But I do think of her when I think of a female

comedian. So I guess I'm kind of conflicted on

that one. Chuck, what do you think? I do like

Lucille Ball a lot for this discussion. I think

she's someone that. I guess you could say not

really started it, but kind of in a way did really

help to propel TV comedy and physical comedy

back in the day when she started like, what was

it, around the 50s and 60s. She was in a couple

of other movies too, mostly TV. But I think when

you look at comedic women, she's right there

at the top of the list and definitely worthy

of this discussion. I could go either way on

her. I could definitely include her in Mount

Rushmore. But I'd also like to point to another

female comedian that had a huge impact. On comedy,

and that's Carol Burnett. Oh, that's a good choice.

Yeah. And I think I look at her as kind of the

female version of Johnny Carson. You know, the

variety show that she had was kind of a sketch

comedy thing that she did with Harvey Korman

and Tim Conway and a couple other ones that that

show like gave a lot of people their start. That's

kind of where the show Mama's Family spawned

off of. And I think she was very, very creative.

Comedic mind and I think she deserves to be mentioned

right up there with Lucille ball. So that's Kind

of a toss -up for me. I would like to include

one of them either one. I could probably go with

Maybe the more influential and he could go with

either one though. Really? I don't know. Yeah,

that's tough I I guess in a way it's almost a

little bit unfair since the Lisa Lisa wall came

a little earlier than Carol Burnett, but I'm

not super familiar with her show I like you never

they watch it was certainly before our time but

you do know her name and her variety show was

huge and that was like the time of the variety

shows but it still had staying power because

you mentioned it had like a sitcom after that

so she has you know multiple roles within the

TV and I would probably lean towards Lucille

ball just because have you talking about just.

Right it again thinking about more how much more

is kind of like that wide range of people i would

assume that more people would be influenced by

her than carol brunette but maybe not i could

be wrong maybe today it's more carol brunette

more people play. Growing up with her so i don't

know what what do you what do you think it on

this. I've never really watched anything with

Carol Burnett in it. I'm not holding up my end

of the comedy mountain here Not knowing most

of the guys the people that you guys are spitting

out, but I really haven't watched Any Carol Burnett

stuff I really haven't either I just I just really

know her from honestly just from other comedians

talking about her So it's more like third third

hand stuff, so you're not really alone there

Don't know enough to talk. Sorry. I have seen

that never stopped anyone in the internet ever

Exactly. I've seen her show. I've seen quite

a few episodes my my parents had some like old

VHS tapes that we would watch and stuff and I

will say she was very funny and I think surprisingly

her comedy does hold up today really really well

and She was multi -talented. She was a great

singer too, and on her show they would do a lot

of musical numbers and stuff like that. Similar

to the kind of stuff that Seth MacFarlane throws

in on Family Guy where there's a breakout in

the song. She, I mean, I guess you could say

maybe even started that like on her show. They

would do like tons of musical numbers and they

would be, they would be funny. They would all

be mixed into one thing. So, I mean, she had

a, she had a big influence. Yeah, so let's let's

hold off and maybe well those are kind of Too

big. Uh, if as well we will maybe see how that

goes greg What will are there other people that

you are thinking of maybe that we can bring into

discussion as well? I I have a feeling I have

somebody else but I have a feeling they won't

make it on I don't know why I just don't feel

like they'll make it on but it's a comedian from

my childhood and kind of really put a big impression

on me and kind of made me into the goofy kid

that I was but I really enjoy maybe not so much

now because I'm a little bit more grown up but

I still think he does a great job in movies and

that's Jim Carrey. the the Yeah, I know. And

he's in that rhino and he gets really hot. He

can't open the door. He sheds off all of his

clothes. He's sweating profusely or is just disgusting.

Yeah. He can't get out and finally sees this

little light and he's like, oh, oh, it's a way

to escape. And he looks back and he jumps these

like. trying to climb his way through this hole

and then a safari tour comes through and they're

like oh it's a rhino and it's the rhino that

jim carrey's in spying on people and up up the

rhino is giving birth and jim carrey's head is

freaking popping out of this thing making all

these weird faces his sweat is just acting like

just stuff coming out of the rhino it that one's

like Etched into my memory. It's one of that's

putting a smile on my face right now And I should

probably think of that more often if I'm in a

shitty mood because that'll put a smile right

on my face Yeah, I mean I do I do love like so

much of you we grew up in the same era So Jim

Carrey was huge I remember seeing him personally

in living color and like loving like fireman

Bob and he was like obviously the only white

guy on that show I do find him really funny the

mask. I do I do like a lot Like you mentioned

he's really good at impressions as well. He has

some good alphys and different things, too And

he's kind of crazy and but I guess my only hesitation

is kind of he's kind of got a wave I guess he's

coming back because he's doing dumb and number

two which is dumb and number the first one is

one of my favorite comedies of all time, but

I guess my only hesitation would be that he hasn't

Really done a lot of comedies. He's kind of like

moved himself away from it. I mean he did do

kick -ass to last year, but Feel like he's trying

to become similar to like Robin Williams He's

trying to become more of a series actor with

things like you know internal sunshine and the

majestic show show which is a really good movie

Yeah, I mean, I do think he's really funny I

think he belongs in discussion like he was like

the king of comedy in the 90s I mean he sent

her movie made like a trillion dollars So certainly

his influence is there and we know Chuck's gonna

go for it because he was in that movie with Dan

Marino Chuck loves Dan Marino. Instant vote.

I'm kidding. That is true. I do like a lot of

Jim Carrey's stuff. Like you guys mentioned,

Dan mentioned Dumb and Dumber. That's hilarious.

That movie is just hilarious. And the sequel

did not do it justice with the different actors.

But yeah, that and Ace Ventura. And you mentioned

his impressions. He actually is a very established

impressionist and he does a killer Clint Eastwood.

I don't know if you've ever seen that, Greg.

I know you would appreciate that. That just cracks

me up because it's a good Clint Eastwood, but

it's a funny Clint Eastwood. It's almost like

a caricature of Clint Eastwood. Yeah, exactly.

That's the perfect description. He does Clint

Eastwood, but he does him in such a funny way.

I do respect that a lot. He's kind of getting

away from the comedy a little bit, like Dan said.

So I guess I'm kind of along those same lines

as Dan. He definitely deserves to be mentioned.

He's done that much. He's definitely in the discussion.

Would he make it on? I don't know. You know,

it's it's close. It's It's a close call. He's

definitely in consideration though Uh one person

I think that might be one that we all I think

might be a definite. Yes. I don't know what we'll

see You never know we talked about like people

with a lot a lot of comedians and one person

i'm thinking who has You think about like has

a lot of influence about slapstick and he person

can do it right a guy who's Talking about funny

movies has done some of the most funny movies

of all time And made them and that is of course

Mel Brooks. I think he he think it's stuff like

young Frankenstein to Spaceballs to Blake and

Saddles. He's made some of the greatest comedies

of all time I mean, he hasn't really he kind

of retired after Dracula dead and loving it But

if you look at his bodywork work, I mean the

producers which was even became one of the biggest

Broadway hits of all time One of one of his films.

I do think that He is certainly a comedic voice

that has had a lot of influence on, you know,

comedic movies. Think of things like Airplane

and Naked Gun. A lot of his style is kind of

bleeds into those. So. Oh, absolutely. So I don't

know what you guys think. If you think he belongs

or if he's a maybe or what. Greg, what do you

think? Yeah, I love Mel Brooks. A lot of my favorite

comedies are Mel Brooks. Robin Hood Men in Tights

is one that I really enjoyed. It's probably one

of his lesser ones, but. as for that to be one

of his lesser ones that's that's pretty freaking

powerful and i've always got uh where men manly

men reman and tights tight tights that that song

is kind of stuck in my head right now i forgot

about him dan but as soon as you mentioned him

i'm like what the hell is wrong with you greg

why the hell did mel brooks of course he's great

and His offspring is even awesome with the zombie

survival guide and stuff. That's our right there

to make to make an offspring. And he's very funny.

He's very good. He's got very good genes. Yeah,

I I would agree. I I did have him on my list

and he's definitely right there in consideration

to me. My favorite of his movies was History

of the World, part one. And I mean, even the

title, the fact that they didn't make a part

two. Everything in that movie is hilarious. I

just I'm in love with that movie. And like like

Dan made a great point, like his influence is

clearly seen and stuff like Naked Gun and Airplane.

And Airplane is also one of my favorite comedies

of all time. So that's like a big genre like

that slapstick sort of comedy. And it's something

that he had a huge influence on, maybe. You could

even call him like the grandfather of that kind

of well, maybe with the exception of the three

stooges, but Yeah, or you even go back early

to like charlie chaplain. But yeah, it's certainly

he can grandfather. Maybe like the uncle Crazy

uncle. He's a fun uncle that if you're lost.

Yeah. Yeah So yeah, I I figured he'd be one because

that's the thing too. I think everyone Has a

favorite male books movie and like there's always

one you can pack, you know, everyone has a different

a lot of people love young frankenstein A lot

of people love spaceballs There are certain actors

or certain comedians or directors that like there's

a go -to like, okay That's the ones that's everyone's

favorite but with him it can really be anything

So and he's a guy who can kind of have a similar

style, but it doesn't get repetitive He's not

doing the same joke over and over again He can

do really really smart comedy and but really

really dumb comedy, but in a smart way Like,

you know, having a scene of a bunch of cowboys

farting around a fire. And it's funny because

it so he and then they'll have a really good

like breaking the third wall at the end of that.

So it's really going to be the king. It's the

governor. Yeah. So I think he's definitely he

is a definite for sure. Hey, Oedipus. What's

up, Mother? What was we thinking what i mean

we we kind of mention a few people maybe we should

bring him up again and you mentioned him chuck

and that's richard prior. I all meant like i've

seen like bits and pieces of richard prior never

sat through like an entire comedy special but

i do know that. When you see best comics of all

time his name is usually if not on the top usually

one two or three so feel like he obviously needs

to be in this discussion for sure. Yeah, and

I I mean I'll admit I'm not super familiar with

his with his stuff And it was way before my time,

but I've seen a lot of other people that are

before my time But I never really checked him

out. I'm thinking like He's someone that kind

of influenced Eddie Murphy and stuff like that.

I get that I get that impression I will say his

appearance in the the Superman movie That was

pretty freakin hilarious, but not in a good way.

Yeah That is the one thing like he was never

able to do like he'd never really made it He

can never transition to movies I think I and

on a large part because he was such a raw like

dirty comic that they try to make him more family

-friendly and I just don't think it worked, you

know thinking of like I can't think of that movie

where he basically sold to some rich kid or It's

some movies with Gene Wilder. But yeah the toy.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah It's funny because you talked

about him being on Superman You know how he got

that part was because he was like I'm Johnny

going back to like Johnny Carson He was on Johnny

Carson and he did like this whole like monologue

about Superman and why he loves him and I like

all these different things and then the people

made Superman saw that and like oh he needs to

be in the movie so that Going back to birth.

We mentioned that that's how he was in Superman

3 But but Greg, I'm curious to hear what you

think about putting prior on this Yeah, I haven't

really watched a lot of his stuff. I did watch

the toy. I thought it was a good movie. It wasn't

really anything outstanding to me comedy -wise

or anything like that. I know he's influenced

a lot of comedians. I know like Chris Rock was

influenced by him or any black comedian. I don't

think I have really watched much of his stuff

to really I'm really killing this episode. Sorry.

Well, no, like we all haven't either. He's such

an influence to other comedians, but we haven't.

We were too young at the time and we just haven't

gotten around to watching that much stuff with

him. I feel like he just he wasn't able to make

the jump to the screen like Dan said. And I mean,

while he's in the discussion, if this was a Mount

Rushmore stand up, I'm pretty sure you'd definitely

be on it. But as far as like him like staying

in that sort of subgenre and not being able to

make the jump to other things, that's what would

make me hesitate in putting him in this list.

Yeah, yeah. Feel like we're doing it. It's a

little bit unfair because we're doing in a reputation

only so we're seeing him through a funnel So

probably if we were more familiar with his work,

he probably would be a no -show But it's a little

harder when you when you aren't and people probably

screaming yell at us But hey, he can't know everything

no matter how hard we try others So some other

ones out here and then you talk about Richard

Pryor and anything like a dirty comic His drug

issues and stuff like that someone on the opposite

end of that who was kind of coming up around

the same time And that's Bill Cosby. Yes, he

again stand. We're going somewhere else with

that conversation. He still stand up today. I

watched the documentary, Communion done by Jerry

Seinfeld, which is a pretty old, but he talks

about how his number one person he always went

to was Bill Cosby, mainly because both of them

are kind of clean comics, but. He was a huge

stand -up from early and on and like the 1950s

To his you know, the Cosby show which was huge.

It was one of the biggest shows of all time You

know, he has this famous putting pump commercials

even has things like fat Albert again He isn't

really still doing stand -up today And I like

I heard like he had like a four -hour stand -up

show with no intermission Which is crazy to me,

but I heard it's really good and it's impressive

too because he's got to be like what 80 Yeah,

he is up there. He's getting a little cranky

in his age today. And I know he's not a big fan

of pretty much any type of comedy today for the

most part. But I do think he should be mentioned

because he was such a comedic presence for such

a huge amount of time. So I don't know what you

guys think about him. I think he's he's iconic.

And I actually would have no trouble at all putting

him on this list. I wouldn't be against that

at all. I think I mean, maybe his comedy is not

for everyone. per se but I think like you said

is his versatility to be able to do TV voice

acting and His stand -up and then to do it for

such a long time and to keep people coming to

see him. I Think that speaks for itself and it's

just that the other people that he's influenced

to I mean, he's he's definitely a legend no doubt

there Greg what do you think I have a neat little

Maybe story and I want to preface it. I do not

like racism. I think it's total bullshit I'm

not usually friends or fans of people that are

racist, but there's one family friend who is

which I can't really picture him as being racist,

but he apparently is and this guy he goes to

Bill Cosby shows so The fact that he's got people

Going to his shows that are like that is just

freaking incredible in my mind. And he definitely

was a person from my childhood who used to watch

the Bill Cosby show all the time, get your little

life lessons and definitely the jello pudding.

Yeah, I definitely could see him going on there.

Okay I'll put them on the short list for now.

I'm kind of keeping a running list of the people

then once we kind of Sputter out we can kind

of try to limit this down a little bit because

our four people is you know It's that's what

is gonna get really hard. But any I mean I feel

like I've been Kind of hogging in the mic here

a little bit any any other names people are thinking

of that we haven't been mentioned yet. I Guess

there's a few that I would like to throw out

that I mean, I don't necessarily know if they

would Belong on the Mount Rushmore. I think they

deserve to be mentioned like like a lot of the

other ones But I guess just to throw them out

there like maybe some honorable mentions Before

we wrap up and and some of those are people like

Steve Martin Yes, a lot of thought a good SNL

work and we can expand on these we come back

to these if any of you guys want to but see you

got people like Steve Martin you got Leslie Nielsen

a lot of slapstick stuff Who did the reverse

by the way he he got into like dramatic acting

first and then realized he had a knack for Comedy

and slapstick and then he went into that direction.

So he kind of did the reverse of a lot of other

comedians Tim Conway I mentioned before on the

Carol Burnett show His career was kind of limited

to a degree but still very funny guy Rodney Dangerfield

a fantastic stand -up comedian, but In my mind,

kind of a one trick pony, if you will. I mean,

with the no respect stuff, never really expanded

into other areas or anything. Chuck is giving

him no respect. He'll probably do a standard

routine about this. I love some of his he's the

king of one liners. I mean, I love I love his

one liners and stuff. I could just listen to

him for for hours, but I guess like John Candy.

Somebody I think I think we all love heat that

guy was hilarious and then Frank Kelly under

you mentioned before and then also Adam Sandler

He's hard to argue against to with all his movies

and stuff SNL stuff. Well, they've been kind

of going the shitter lately Yeah, he's kind of

got the Eddie Murphy disease going on too. Yeah

We have a name for it Yeah, eddie murphy shouldn't

have gotten to that prostitute. I think that's

where he got it from um Some other ones too that

I that I was thinking of I mentioned it earlier

We talked about mal brooks and I think he kind

of covers this but charlie chaplain of like silent

films or buster keaton I mean they they really

wore the originators of slapstick comedy on in

movies Also, uh charlotte chabon has like an

iconic look to him though. He also kind of looks

like hitler So that's all kind of a bad thing

People might mistake what you're trying to do

there with Someone who looks like hitler on your

mat rushmore might might might misinterpret that

so that might be an issue Also, I talked this

might seem kind of out of left field But if you

think about it, it makes sense and it's not a

real person So that might be kind of weird but

homer simpson And the reason being Think about

like how much animation comedy is like dominating

right now I mean you literally have the animation

domination but South Park Futurama you know American

Dead all these different shows and it all started

I guess it didn't technically start with the

Simpsons people probably say like the Flintstones

but really what kicked it off was in the 90s

with Homer Simpson and again you see Homer Simpson's

face people and exactly know it is like worldwide.

Maybe, you know, it doesn't count because he's

a cartoon character. So he can't really expand

his horizons all that much. Can't really show

up and stand up or anything like that. But I

do think when talk about like comedy as a whole,

his face is one that comes up. We talked about

stand up comics. We mentioned Richard Pryor.

You have to mention George Carlin, similar to

Richard Pryor. You never really try to get in

the movies. He did some here and there like Jersey

Girl, which is something you'd probably like

to forget. People like Jon Stewart, who's on

The Daily Show or even like Some of the other

late night people even we talked about Johnny

Carson, but like Jay Leno and David Letterman

They have certainly had impact within their own

right in another director kind of in the line

same lines smell Brooks But maybe more like if

Mel Brooks is more slapstick this directors more

and I don't say Woody Allen has a slapstick moments,

too, but You know his he has some of the greatest

romantic comedies of all time with stuff like

manhattan or anny hall Yeah, he has his own issues

beyond comedy. So maybe he's another person.

We don't want to you know associate with beyond

his movies, but um Those are some of the names

I had any any other names we felt if you just

throw out john belushi and chris farley Good

choices. Uh, yes. Thank you. Yeah Good good choices.

You know what really sucks about that is like

if they didn't unfortunately pass away long before

their time They probably would be on this list.

No doubt. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the sad part

I mean the other part of it is to I would like

to see them interact with a lot of today's comedians

Yeah, you know and you know, maybe teaming up

Chris Farley with like a Will Ferrell and you

know making movies like that. That would be There's

no doubt they would they would have really made

some home runs there David Spade would still

have a career. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. I'm sure

there's a lot of people we may be forgetting,

but I do think we got a lot of the heavyweights.

I even thought way back when to like someone

like Mark Twain, who was known for a lot of great

comedic quotes, but he was not just in comedy.

He had so much more. I mean, you can even say

like something like William Shakespeare because

he is like famous comedies. But again, he's not

just in comedy. He's got so much more going on.

There's one. There's one final one I would like

to mention. Better blow our minds Chuck better

blow our minds. Yes, and it would be Nicolas

Cage Some of his acting performances are extremely

laughable very funny, but it doesn't intend to

be Would you really have some or is that what

you're mentioning? Just wanted to provide some

levity there Okay, so I kind of I kind of cut

it down to like the ones that seem like we had

strongest yes reactions to for the most part

So far that was Bill Cosby Mel Brooks Lucille

ball Carol Burnett Bill Murray and Johnny Carson.

So that's one two three. I can count one two

three four five six people So we have six people

there We got to kind of cut that down to four

and I guess we can kind of decide between Lucille

ball and Carol Burnett We talked about having

at least one of them and i'm leaning a little

bit more towards lucille ball just because I

do think she is a tan bit more iconic um, just

some of like the skits like i'm thinking of that

one with like the She worked at some candy factory

that like it's been parodied left left and right.

I didn't meet a vegeman Yeah yeah so i'm i'm

leaning a little bit more towards her just because

of that and just because like her show still

runs in syndication today where carol bonnett's

isn't isn't as much with something like a variety

show is a little harder for that to like the

the carry on but i do think lucia ball still.

I remember seeing parodies of that when I was

a kid on Tiny Tunes. I'm leaning towards her.

I don't know how you feel, Chuck, if you agree.

I do think Carol Burnett's a legitimate choice,

but that's what I'm thinking. Yeah, absolutely.

I could go either way on that. Both of them were

terrific. I could definitely agree with you there.

I think Lucille Ball is maybe more of a household

name, so maybe for that reason alone. You know,

maybe her influence was a little greater. I wouldn't

have a problem with putting her in there. Greg,

do you agree? Yeah, I haven't really watched

much Carol Burnett, so I'd agree with Lucille

Ball. I think she is a great presence for women

to be on there. I feel kind of bad that we only

have one, but I seriously can't really. Think

of anybody any other women besides Amy Poehler

or Tina Fey that could really make the list and

I think that she's a better role model, I guess.

I don't know if she makes a good role model,

but I'm going to go with Lucille Ball. So that

brings us down to five. But now I think it gets

really hard because we have Johnny Carson, Bill

Murray, Mel Brooks and Bill Cosby. So we got

to think of which one of those Would would make

the cut would not make the cut. I think I think

we all pretty much Gave Bill Murray a yes, correct?

Yes. Yeah, so we got him in the CEO ball Is our

to I think so. I think Bill Cosby was a big one

with all of us as well. Yeah This is the way

we can handle it out of Bill Cosby Mel Brooks

and Johnny Carson. Which one do we feel the strongest

about? Right, are you saying you feel the strongest

about milk? Well out of those three I feel strongest

about Mel Brooks Chuck what about you? I would

say Bill Cosby would be the strongest probably

and then I feel strong probably about Johnny

Carson so that I Would I would put Carson second

if that helps I'm thinking cuz I'm thinking stand

up and well bill Cosby stand up to dang it. This

is this is where it gets tough I'm inclined to

go Johnny Carson, Mel Brooks, the reason being

I think Johnny Carson kind of encapsulates like

stand -up as a whole because we talked about

how much he had an influence on stand -up while

Mel Brooks kind of hits the movie end. I guess

Bill Mcmurray does a little bit but more of that

slapstick type of comedy. So I feel like that

kind of encapsulates a lot where Lucy Ball is

than the female comic. I'm really looking at

Bill Cosby versus Johnny Carson and I'm thinking

more so as Someone who had impact within the

genre. I just think it's a little bit more Carson

So that's why I would probably go him above.

I don't know what you guys are thinking You don't

have to go with what I think I guess I Don't

know this is tough I guess maybe we'll do it

the other end. Who do you feel least strongly

about with those three Chuck? Although he had

some really great stuff. I I would feel the least

strongly about Mel Brooks just because I don't

think his His reach and his influence was as

great as Cosby and Carson, even though the stuff

he did do was fantastic. That's just my personal

feeling. I don't know. What about you, Greg?

I kind of go Mel Brooks, Bill Cosby, and then

Johnny Carson. It's kind of more of a personal

what I've seen kind of more of and kind of what

I grew up with than anything else. I'm pretty

pliable. I mean, I could go... I can go either

way at least yeah, I mean it's really I mean

it's really kind of cutting it tight here Shit,

we're doing a Reagan on here Would you like the

x -men posters from days of future past? Well,

it does seem like Bill Cosby would be the next

person because Chuck and Greg you're both really

high on him. I'm pretty high on him, too So it

does seem that Based upon you know if we're gonna

do a seating type of thing it would it would

probably be a beep bill cosby and i do you can't

deny his his influence so then it becomes like

mel brooks and johnny karson. Talk about johnny

karson's comedy may not hold up but mel brooks

is does yeah johnny karson. I guess it is huge

influence but like we have stand up already we

don't really have someone that fits into the

mold of what mel brooks does so if you if you

look at our. Our opening statement of why we're

doing this if you give someone. Johnny Carson

they're gonna understand the world of comedy

to me okay what do you what do you say. Did you

just get stabbed. I promise Max Brooks that I

get his father through to the Mount Rushmore

of comedians I seriously don't have a problem

with. with either of them going on for the most

part, just kind of a personal preference of what

I've seen more and kind of my favorite word,

who I feel more nostalgic about. Yeah. You make

a good point, Chuck, that if you see Johnny Carson,

you see his work, his body of work and the influence

he has, you'll understand comedy. I do think

you will understand a certain comedy with Mel

Brooks, but like we mentioned, he hasn't really

done. He kind of stopped with Dracula dead and

loving it. He hasn't done much outside the world

of movies. I don't know. He's a legend no doubt.

I'm almost inclined to put Johnny Carson and

Mel Brooks on and keep Bill Cosby off, but I'm

fine with kind of putting in Bill Cosby, Lucille

Ball, Bill Murray, and Johnny Carson. How do

we feel about that Final Four of Bill Cosby?

So you have stand -up, you have his television,

you have all that for nearly, you know, 50 or

60 years of comedy. You have Lucille Ball. I

mean, talk about female comedy here and her influence.

Bill Murray, who is just, you know, a legend,

who's more of modern comedy. And then Johnny

Carson, who gets into stand -up and late night

TV and that type of comedy. Do we feel like we

have a... a good barometer of comedy there? I

feel very strongly about that actually. Another

point I would make too is that unfortunately

there's probably a lot of people that aren't

real familiar with Mel Brooks just because of

the fact that he was a director and his face

isn't really out there. That's a good point.

Mean it doesn't take away from anything that

he's done certainly not but I think the four

that we have are really iconic and I think that

would give a good a good sample group to me I

feel very very comfortable with those four. Greg

what do you think. I think no matter what we

come up with I will be upset at no matter what

we come up with and be upset. Just the way it

is. Yeah. Yeah, it's tough because it's comedy

such a gigantic subjective type of thing. Yeah,

I think we should just leave it how it is. I

think we've got a good one. We seriously, like,

it's a hard thing to determine for this, the

last spot on here, not last spot in our minds,

but last spot on the mountain. And maybe this

will be a good discussion for people for. People

leave comments about and maybe tell us where

we went wrong and stuff i think we essentially

have the mountain set. Yeah i agree i agree i

think we're i think we're pretty much sat there

so yeah you make a good point will get in all

the ways you can yell at us in the later on when

we end the show but. Think we have a salt salt

not rush more there will get out the chisels

and the dynamite like Greg said and we'll we'll

start getting working I guess the question is

where do you do it? I don't know. That's a whole

nother discussion, but we like to end each letter

each letter we like to end each letter with an

episode and each episode with a letter and Greg

you're up this week. What will you be talking

about? All right. Well, I have something where

I just sent you guys a link to. There was an

article that I read which Dan will hopefully

put on the website for you guys to see. But there

was this guy got pulled over and got a ticket

for trying to avoid a pothole. So I wrote a message

to that man whose name is his last name is Moe.

So which is a little weird with how I'm going

to say dear Mr. Moe. Just seems weird. Here we

go. Dear Mr. Mo, I have recently read about a

predicament you have had. Let me tell you, man,

from what the article says, you pretty much got

screwed. A ticket for avoiding a pothole is a

dick move. But if you were texting while driving,

then the dick is you. I definitely get the need

to start swerving to avoid the plague that is

potholes. We too in Pennsylvania have fallen

victim to a plague of them. Some are so large

that they can't be avoided. My Subaru, named

Sue, has taken damage from one such monster.

Here's what I see happening if your ticket goes

through for potholes. Forget texting for the

moment. You have to pay. People then obeying

the law then have to let their cars get beat

to shit. People get fed up with the government.

This would be really quick if it was me. and

they would send the bill for damages to the government.

So then we'd be falling deeper into an economic

debt with our government getting really far in

debt. I don't think this is a scenario the government

wants to go through as it would quickly go into

debt or in this day and age further into debt.

So good luck with the fine, Greg. Dear government,

fix the damn roads and this bullshit wouldn't

be a problem. Good point. So there was kind of

two letters there. My one to the government was

kind of short. Dear Senator, stop earmarking

funds for pet projects so that we can get the

funding to fix our roads. That'd be nice. And

ironically, on my way home from work today, I

wrote this this last night, but on my way home

from work, I saw that they have spray painted

all the potholes that they want to fill in. Well,

the first step is admitting you have a problem.

Very, very true. All right, that will bring it

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But for now. This has been Chuck. This has been

Greg, or Mel Brooks, or Johnny Carson, we're

not quite sure. And this has been Dan, who's

still not funny. And we've been talking in circles.

We'll see you next week. And quick is R Kelly

in the closet because you always have that to

go. No, I have a funny story about that The opposite

end of Richard Pryor, you know a dirty a dirty

kind of cock No, Jesus. Not Dirty Talk. What?

I guess he influenced you too, Dan. Dirty Talks

by Dan. I think I like people like Johnny Seinfeld,

John Seinfeld, Jerry Seinfeld. Jesus Christ,

John Seinfeld. What's the deal with Dan not getting

my name right?