Talking in Circles
Merry Marvel Marching Society

About this Episode
Hi, this is Christy Marks, the writer of Gem
and the Holograms and Beast Wars, and you're
listening to GeekCast Radio Network. You'll belong,
you'll belong, you'll belong, you'll belong to
the Merry Marvel Marching Society. March along,
march along, march along to the song of the Merry
Marvel Marching Society. If you growl, if you
groan, with the dour sour up, they'll give you
howl, if you moan, you can lose your sour cry,
but you'll be trimmed and instrapped with the
fin and the neck of the Merry You are now on
the inside of what I like to call the circle
of trust. We are all connected in a great circle
of life. You know something Bert? What? I think
you and I are going in circles. It feels like
we're going in circles. The circle is now complete.
When I left you, I was but the third. Now I am
the last. Because it's a circle. Yeah, we heard
about the circle. Yes, we're familiar with shapes.
Hi, this is Greg. This is Chuck. And this is
Dan. And we are Talking Circles, brought to you
by the GeekCast Radio Network, the podcast that's
all about Marvel all the time. Well, at least
this episode is. We are again coming to you live
from Charm City, Baltimore. I should say live
to record from Dan Clark Studios, also known
as My Kitchen Table. Chuck and Greg are here
again. It's a special in -person episode. We're
doing double duty two weeks in a row. Hopefully
this will be as good as last week. But before
we get things started in today's special theme
episode, which will be all about Marvel inspired
by the recent release of Captain America. How
has the week been going for you guys? Not much.
Just enjoying what the Charm City has to offer.
I'm digesting the delicious burrito that I had
earlier today with you guys, so that's going
pretty well. Yeah, and we are digesting it with
you. But Greg, how about yourself? How's your
week been going? I never realized we shared a
stomach. Well, when you eat Mexican food together,
you digest it together. It's a communal experience.
I've been alright, except for... an experience
at the movie theater. I'm a little traumatized.
Had to go to the bathroom, walked in, everything's
as normal. Went over to one of the urinals, did
my business, and as all the guys do, we kind
of focus ahead and try and keep our business
on our own situation going on. No cheating on
your other neighbor's paper, basically. Keep
your eyes on your own business. I'm not... I'm
not checking out the watches that they're wearing
on their wrists or anything. But I happen to
notice out of the corner of my eye, a gentleman
was wrapping up his business for the day. And
it was very noticeable that he was wrapping up
his business, because He had to as all as all
guys do we kind of try and shake off a little
bit of the excess well this man did not just
shake off a little bit of the excess i think
he had a convulsion next to me if he did any
harder he would have ripped his equipment off
so i was i was a little scared for him was he
treating it like a lawnmower that wouldn't start.
Yeah, he was really pulling on that chain. The
dangers of the communal restroom, I guess. I
think it was a choke start. He did it more than
once, too. To run a good business, you gotta
keep your equipment in working order. Yeah. But
more than two times and you're playing with it,
I'm just saying. I think he only did it two times,
but I think the veracity that he did it with.
There's certain times when you don't want veracity
used, and that is the occasion, to say the least.
But the movie that we did go see that has been,
you know, the big huge world hit the first summer
blockbuster and thank god summer's here and that
way winter's finally over or spring i guess i
guess summer starting earlier every year and
that the letter finally got to mother nature
people it did i i should have emailed it but
i sent it snail mail i thought she would appreciate
the sentiment but she didn't that bitch uh we
saw captain america the winter soldier like everyone
else in the world based upon the box office And
I guess we've been talking about it because it's
impossible. We can't just shut up and on the
car right here and not talk about it. But I have
an idea of what you guys thought about it. So
did you guys enjoy Captain America 2 The Winter
Soldier? Chuck, what did you think? I thought
it was fantastic. I really enjoyed this movie.
It was one of those movies, obviously being a
huge Captain America fan that I was really looking
forward to going in. And I'm always kind of scared
going into a movie with such high expectations.
But I got to say, This lived up to it in every
way and I was not disappointed at all. First
and foremost I wasn't disappointed by the action
at all. Some of those fight scenes were freaking
incredible. Just the choreography. I enjoyed
seeing his fight scenes with the Winter Soldier.
Also a couple of smaller characters like Batroc
the Leaper who the comic fans know is one of
Cap's little less famous villains but... pretty
nice twist that they threw him in there and that
was played by mixed martial artist George Saint
-Pierre from the UFC fame and that was a great
little fight scene in there and just just the
overall action fantastic for me and what I also
enjoyed about it was that it was sort of a political
thriller it was a little bit of a mystery and
kind of a who do you trust type thing there was
a whole lot of misdirection in there and you're
not really sure who Cap should trust because
he's not sure who he should trust. It just creates
a great web that they kind of weave and you really
find out who the people are that he trusts and
that he wants to keep in his inner circle and
you really get a feeling for more so than the
first movie of his values and his morals. He's
got the straightest moral compass of anyone and
this movie kind of makes him question some of
those values and what's the right thing to do
but at the end of the day he really sticks to
them and doesn't deviate at all shows himself
to be the terrific leader that he is and to be
the the master fighter and strategist that he
is a very very impressive movie for a a captain
america enthusiast i think it really lives up
to what your expectations of him would be what
you would want to see in a movie. Just from reading
comics and things like that, I think that he
lives up to it very well. Greg, what did you
think of Captain America? Like Chuck, this really
met my expectations. I'm going to start off with
my very tiny gripe that I have with the movie.
It had a lot of camera movement with the action
scene, which I think kind of made it hard to
figure out what was going on in the action a
little bit. But other than that, I thought it
was really great. I like the fact that it takes
place in the present, which everybody was kind
of I think there is a consensus of, well, is
this movie going to be any good? Because we're
in a different time now is the I think everybody
likes the first one because it took place. in
the past and I think there was a lot of, is this
going to be as good because it's in the present?
I think they kind of take care of that because
it takes place in the present but it really harkens
back to the past. Captain America deals with,
it's the man out of time situation so he's dealing
with the situation of making new friends, figuring
out... social situations. You've got that but
you've also got some people from his past coming
back, some to haunt him, others to kind of give
him hope and show him the way and... You definitely
see how his past and his past ideals in today's
present environment kind of are in constant conflict.
How Nick Fury sees the world and how he sees
the world and way back when I talked about that
man out of time storyline, it kind of... got
into some of the same ideas where it's he's protecting
the fight his country but it's not as simple
as then there's no nazi germany it's there's
no extreme evil that you can point to and say
these are the bad guys there are but the question
is who are the good guys and that's a harder
question to answer and we think they really expand
upon that even further Sorry to cut you off,
Greg. No, it's fine. And I thought they had a
lot of great characters in there and everything.
And I know Scarlett Johansson really wants a
standalone Black Widow movie. And personally,
I think she should really get it. I thought there
was an interesting part where she's kind of leading
Steve Rogers along because she's more espionage,
whereas Steve is more the soldier. and she was
kind of leading them through and I thought that
was a really interesting concept to kind of go
along with her and kind of learn from her so
if they could do a movie that's kind of like
that I think that would be an interesting idea
and I really like the Falcon in this I thought
they did a great job with him and I thought he
added that little bit of humor in there that
it It might have been lacking without him, but
he does take on a pretty badass role, I think,
in it. And I thought they did a great job with
Bucky and how he looks. I thought that looked
really great. And I highly recommend people looking
out for stuff in the background. I think there's
a bunch of cool stuff. If you're really keeping
a sharp eye on it, they have some interesting
things going on. Yeah, a lot of Easter eggs.
Yeah, there was one that I was particularly excited
about that I don't think many people are gonna
If you didn't read the comic books, and you don't
know the people behind the scenes of comic books
You may not pick up on it. I didn't pick up on
it until you mentioned it And one of the other
things I really wanted to mention was I just
was surprised of About how this ended because
it just shakes everything that Marvel has built
up in their movies. They have really shaken their
foundations and I think they may have like knocked
some of it down. I'm interested to see how they're
going to build that back up again. Yeah and also
I will agree with both of you and I really really
loved it. A lot of high praises are coming into
this movie, a lot of high expectations and admit
it. a great deal. If you didn't go based upon
plot, probably the most complex of all the Marvel
movies, directors who made it indicated they
wanted to kind of make it like a Cold War thriller
of the day, like a Three Days of the Condor,
which is why they kind of got Robert Greffer
to be in it, and I see that. There are a lot
of those elements. There's elements like we mentioned
who we can trust, those elements of, you know,
the twists and turns, a lot of the action, though
it's really big and really huge, it's scaled
back in some... instances a lot of just like
gun shooting, hand -to -hand combat. There's
no space battles or anything like that. It's
more your classic, like almost old school action.
And I think too this had a lot of great character
moments. There's some great moments with Captain
America just trying to... get a hold of today.
There's one with him visiting Peggy, which is
from the comics. It was an ultimate in a lot
of places. I just wanted to say I found that
to be one of the saddest moments in the film,
just because if you had anybody in your family
that's ever had Alzheimer's, it kind of hits
your heartstrings a little bit. Yeah, and it
was done really well and very tastefully. It
was really... Surprising the way they went with
it, and I think that it really said a lot in
that one moment and with Captain America in general
He's saying things like he doesn't know what
the right thing is he wants to do the right thing
But it's so hard to figure out what that right
thing is anymore because the world's a lot different
And how he does stand up to fury when no one
else does because he doesn't necessarily agree
with what he's doing The world is is essentially
gray at this point. There's no more black and
white. Yeah I mean I didn't have some issues.
I did think sometimes that it did try to place
in humor when it didn't need it or would felt
forced. There was like a running joke of trying
to get Captain America a date with the Black
Widow and they would go back and forth with it
and sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't,
sometimes I'm like it just I think they're trying
to force it a little bit too much. I did like
Falcon a great deal. Anthony Mackie and Chris
Evans had really good chemistry. They did have
that instant friendship that was formed. But
sometimes it's the way that Falcon looked, mostly
in the slower moments when he was revealed. It
looked a little bit awkward, but in action it
looked great. There were some great action beats.
And I see what you're saying, Greg, with some
of the action because there are some shaky cams.
become easy to get lost in what's going on. But
overall, I loved a lot of the fight scenes. Anything
with like Captain America and Winter Soldier,
I just wanted to keep going. I'm like, don't
end. This fight is awesome. Keep it going. The
Batrach fight in the beginning, that was really
great too. Finding new and interesting ways.
And there's a lot of twists and turns in this
where I didn't expect it to go. And it opens
up the doors for a lot of possibilities in the
future. And two, it's really, like I said, really
plot heavy. There's You could easily make this
movie, a lot of this into your old classic Cold
War thriller, just with a superhero. And then
at the end there's a gigantic action set piece.
And two, I just loved, as a person, I know you,
Greg and Chuck, haven't read The Wrencher Soldier.
I have, it's the story that got me back into
comics. And it's made me realize how great Captain
America can be when done right. And they got
the story right. Any fan of the story, I think,
would have to walk away from that movie saying,
They did it justice. They took out some of the
great moments and they put it in. Some really,
just even from the covers, certain shots that
I'm like, oh wow, that's a perfect shot. That's
right from the comic. Some of the lines, some
of the, even if you saw the trailer, that moment
of Winter Soldier catching the shield. A lot
of that's right from the comic, and I think even
more so. And just how that Winter Soldier plotline
by itself was really great. But there's a whole
other plot besides that which is just as interesting.
So I thought that was really great. And even
like everyone seemed to kind of get their moment,
like Nick Fury, Black Widow, Falcon. Everyone
has a role to play, even Robert Redford's character.
So yeah, I would highly recommend it. But I guess
the question is, in the world of Marvel movies,
do you place, where do you place this? Is it
their best so far, second best in the middle?
Where do you place this regarding Marvel films,
especially like phase two? Well, I think personally,
so far it's probably the best of the phase two
films. I did like Thor the Dark World a good
deal. I think this is kind of a cut above that.
I wasn't a big fan of Iron Man 3, so I would
definitely put Captain America Winter Soldier
at the top of the Phase 2 projects. And I would
put it right up there with Avengers as far as
all the Marvel movies. I probably had a little
bit of bias towards Avengers just because of
the team up in it. And that's like an extra added
geek factor and stuff like that. But I think
the plot, like Dan mentioned, The plot of Winter
Soldier was a lot more complex than the Avengers
plot, which was actually pretty simplistic. Point
and shoot. Yeah. So if you're into something
like that and some type of a thriller and a mystery,
this plot kind of blows that out of the water.
The action, I think, is pretty much on par with
Avengers. It's tastefully done, though. It's
not too over the top like the Hulk taking down
some gigantic creature. It's a lot of like...
hand -to -hand combat but that suits Captain
America perfectly and that's another thing too
that I wanted to mention is that they they really
showed off Cap's fighting skills in this one
and a lot of the comics fans know that he's kind
of Marvel's equivalent to like Batman something
like that he's like an expert hand -to -hand
fighter and they they portray that really well
in this movie so those sort of action sequences
it's it's very tastefully done and they know
the limitations of their characters and they
stay within that it's not there's a couple moments
that maybe a little too over the top but for
the most part it's really well done and i i really
love you guys mentioned falcon and how great
he was in this movie and i couldn't agree more
with that i think anthony mackey did a terrific
job like dan said there was instant chemistry
on screen with chris evans and you could just
tell from the get -go that Sam Wilson, who is
the Falcon, you could just tell from the get
-go that he's just such a nice guy. You could
tell that he's a good guy. It's just one of those
people that you trust immediately and it turns
out that cap goes to him when he's in need and
he sees him as someone that he can trust. I was
kind of surprised at how well that they did that
part of it. So definitely a lot more complex
than an Avengers type movie. I guess it's more
about what you like, you know, what do you want
out of your movie. So Greg, what do you think
out of the second wave? I agree with you, Chuck.
I think it's the top. I do think Thor is is kind
of right on its ass. And I agree. I didn't care
for Iron Man three as much as these or or pretty
much a lot of a lot of the other ones from phase
phase one. But altogether, Avengers definitely
has as the the top spot. It wins out. because
of quantity, one of the very few times that quantity
trumps quality just a little bit. But I definitely
see this movie competing with the top competitors
from phase one, like an Iron Man one. Would you
say that it beats out the first Captain America
movie? It's hard to say because they're so different.
It's like the first Captain America is like Raiders
of the Lost Ark and this one is like the classic
core thriller so stylistically they're so different
but I think an overall package like for an entire
movie, action, plot -wise, I do think this one's
better but I don't think the first Captain America
could do what this one did because you had the
origin. you that you had to tell you had more
to do. This one could just be could just be a
normal story. So I don't know. I don't know if
it's better. It's hard to say because just coming
from it. But at this, my first thought is, yeah,
I think I like this one a little bit more than
the first one. I think this one was a little
bit more grown up to than the first one. I thought
this one was surprisingly more brutal. Yes. Yeah.
It was very brutal the action just even though
just soldier who just likes throwing people into
things Yeah, or kicking people into things yeah,
he likes yeah It was it was brutal just with
characters kind of getting hurt like that's the
one thing like in a lot of the movie is we You
don't really see characters bleed or really get
like hurt this one He's like, wow, some of these
characters might not walk away from this. So
yeah, that's very true. And even some of the
bones that Black Riddle was breaking on people,
you could just feel every hit. Yeah, the sound
department did a good job. Yeah, you hear all
the crunches and you feel every hit. It was pretty
spectacular. I was going to say, Winter Soldier,
he was kind of playing the whole thing like a
video game, like a smart video game player. Instead
of beating his enemies to death, just kick him
over with one shot. kill him or straight off
instead of taking the time to keep punching.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's what separates.
Well, I thought Red Skull was great in the first
Captain America, but a lot of the Marvel movies
haven't had great villains. Some have, some haven't.
Loki being the best villain so far. Yeah, Loki
by far is the best. And Winter Soldier, though,
is close. I'd say close second at this point.
He's almost like a Terminator character in this.
He's just frightening. He's just like never stopping
keep moving and But then when you I don't want
to I know most comic book fans know the backstory
to him But when you find out like his story and
everything like that you realize there's so much
to that character And I think it touched upon
it a little bit, but my I do wonder for you guys.
Did you feel like it? Adapically explained without
spoilers just basically explained who the Winter
Soldier was Did you like did you walk away realizing?
Okay, I get I get that character or do you still
kind of not understanding the purpose behind
him? I knew who he was I was Very aware. I did
enjoy that moment in the theater where one person
go When it was revealed and I was like really
you don't know this I thought they adequately
explained that. They did a couple shots of the
past to Kluie in that way. There was some dialogue
between Winter Soldier and Robert Redford's character,
Alexander Pierce, that I thought tied that up
as well. I don't think the visuals... really
helped that much because I think you agree with
me, Dan, because I think you stated earlier in
the day when we weren't recording that if you
didn't see the first one, you'd be clueless.
You'd definitely be clueless. But it was kind
of hard to match the character, how they have
them in this film. How he had him in the how
he looked in the first film. They looked kind
of different with hair Maybe how the makeup was
and his physical stature Overall like his look
is a very distinct like the character that like
the guy who placed him. He looks like a normal
dude So I think that's that's kind of the issue,
but Chuck. What did you think? Yeah, I thought
it explained it pretty well You know like Greg
said they showed they showed some actual flashback
footage from the first Avenger first film and
They even gave a little explanation, you know,
Black Widow kind of gave her a little explanation,
filling us in on what happened kind of while
Cap was taking a little nappy in the ice. And
then you also get Cap's version where he kind
of deduces what actually happened, like judging
by what he found in the first movie and what
he's putting together in this movie. I think
they did it really well. For anyone that didn't
see it coming and didn't know the backstory,
I think that they came away from it understanding
it pretty well. Very cool, very cool. I will
say, if I were to place this within Marvel, I
would, at this point, I hate doing this at times,
even though I'm the one to ask the question when
something just came out, but I would probably
say... Would put it below the Avengers just below
with the Avengers I think overall I like a movie
standpoint when it comes to plotting It's probably
more complicated, but I think the Avengers is
just like that iconic gem. That's hard to really
match But completely yeah compared to all the
solo films. I would say it's really up there
I think it's the best sequel that they've done
so far I don't think he would count the Avengers
as a sequel. Unlike you guys, I guess I really
did like Iron Man 3. It surprised me. I went
into that with little expectations. Maybe that's
why I liked it more than I was anticipating.
I liked Thor 2 as well, but unlike the other
individual films, I think this one, more so than
those, moved the character forward of Captain
America and really kind of added some subtext
to him that you needed. Definitely. That was
one of the points that I wanted to make where
I had like... two kind of points that are related.
Like Dan said, they developed Captain America
further. I think there was a lot of, you know,
maybe people that weren't familiar with the comics
at all and just experienced these movies from
the cinematic aspect. There were a lot of people
that questioned Captain America's presence in
the Avengers. Like, who is this guy? Like, what
can he do? He's leading the team and he's wearing,
like, red, white and blue spandex, you know?
I think this movie really establishes more of
who he is and establishes him as a more formidable
hero. It really kind of gives him, to reference
our last episode, it gives him a lot of badass
points. And I think there's a lot of moments
in this movie, in the Winter Soldier movie, where
Cap gains a lot of badass points. He didn't need
to win me over, but it was really exciting for
me to watch. There were a lot of... really cool
moments and I think also the other point I wanted
to make is if you are a huge Captain America
fan and I know I'm saying this because this is
kind of how I felt usually when you when you
go into a movie that's kind of based on your
favorite character you're worried how he's gonna
come out you're worried if they're gonna change
some core element of him and with Cap it's his
it's his morals it's his it's his leadership
and just his his plain ability to do the right
thing and always know the right thing to do and
They really convey that well in this movie it
really It really shows who Captain America is
I think even more than the first movie did it
really developed his Just his strength of character
his strength of will and there was even a moment
in this Winter Soldier movie where he says he's
honestly doesn't care if he's the only one that
feels this way, he's still going to do it because
he knows it's right. And he wins over a lot of
people like that and people hold a lot of respect
for him. So I think coming forward with this
movie, Cap's going to gain a lot of fans and
kind of holds his own in the superhero universe.
Yeah, definitely, definitely. And one thing I
got to say is I love the uniform. I love. I was
thinking the same thing there. Yeah. Wasn't a
big fan of the suit from the Avengers. I love
the first Captain America outfit and I really
love this one because it's like the the outfit
from the super soldier or when he was a director
of shields Yeah, this is like the one star I
love that outfit and I'm glad they went back
to that because the one from the Avengers was
a little bit a little bit too corny and I didn't
really look a little Unpractical, but this one
felt very practical and felt like an actual uniform
So it was a little bit more modern and went a
little bit more minimalist with the color scheme,
which I really like. I actually have the T -shirt
of this kind of design, but more towards the
comic books. And I always I always like that
outfit. Yeah, very much. Anything else before
we take a break and kind of get into our other
Marvel stuff for the podcast? I just I just wanted
to add that there was a point in the movie where
Captain America returns to his apartment and
Kind of hear some suspicious noises coming from
inside a little bit of music and I remember I
remember seeing the way he kind of looked and
he just looked really suspicious and I remember
thinking okay, you know if I were in that situation
I would go outside climb up the outside of the
building and go in the window and Turns out that's
exactly what he does and not saying I'm Captain
America material, but you know just saying, you
know, I think like the man So and I do drive
a Chevy truck, which he also does in this movie
So yeah, just saying if the job opens up I'm
available Marvel. I'm here. So you you have no
issue wielding the shield. I say Greg, do you
have something? Yeah, I just wanted to add one
more thing I know there was some inklings of
maybe coming out with a Agent Carter, Peggy Carter
TV show, and I thought they had a lot of great
elements in the movie to kind of show what a
TV show would look like. And if they are basing
a TV show off of the different elements that
they played in the movie, I am super excited
for it. I love the one shot they did. And if
they combine it with the stuff that's going on
with this movie, I am Uber excited because of
one of the the characters they they reveal that
could play an integral part in in the TV show
and I think it would just be freaking incredible
Yeah, absolutely. I would be looking forward
to that so that agent Carter show as well and
speaking of TV shows I also wanted to mention
too I don't know how many out there really following
the agents of shield program right now, but they
actually did some pretty cool tie -ins with the
episode that came out prior to the Captain America
movie. They did kind of a direct high -end with
one of the agents going into this movie. You
see things play out in the movie and I think
it would be really interesting to see how it
affects Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D. from here
on to the rest of the season because there's
some really direct links in there that I honestly
wasn't expecting and it was pretty cool to see.
So and they've kind of been leading up for a
few weeks now that There's people in S .H .I
.E .L .D. that they can't trust and there's a
little bit of internal espionage going on there
and I thought actually they tied it in with the
big screen really, really well. So if you kind
of fell off the map with Agents of S .H .I .E
.L .D. I would recommend catching up and then
catching the last few episodes of the season
because I think it fits in really well with it.
I want to go back and re -watch it because of
all the little tie -ins and see how it goes together
and it does really... make you wonder how they're
going to continue that show. Not to give any
spoilers away, but like Greg mentioned, it completely
revamps Marvel, and I thought I had an idea of
where they're going, but after this, I'm not
really sure. There's a lot of different things
they can do. Alright, we're going to take a little
bit of a break here, and when we come back, we'll
be discussing all things Marvel, so we'll see
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back. And we're gonna begin this look at Marvel
with kind of the starting... What Marvel movies
we would like to see, like Marvel one -shots,
props, Marvel direct -to -DVD movies, all different
ways we feel like Marvel can kind of expand upon
what they're doing, because obviously they need
our help. It's not like they're making a lot
of money or anything. They need the help of podcasters
that really take it home. So I'm going to start
things off by looking at what movies I think
Marvel should make. There's a lot they can do,
but I kind of try to spread the wealth here,
thinking of different areas in which they can
touch upon. and my first one is inspired by just
seeing Captain America and me watching the first
one and that is thinking you know what team I
think can go even further what team like what
people think see more of I think that's the Howling
Commandos in the first Captain America you got
some good action but it was a lot of montages
you didn't get like a lot of straightforward
like action sequences there was one or two but
most of it was through montage I would love to
see more missions with the Howling Commandos
like a There's so much you can pull from. They're
in World War II. You can have Captain America
in it. You couldn't... You could just use some
of the other characters. They're very colorful,
like Dum Dum Dugan, and a lot of those characters
could be used for the one -shot. And Peggy Carter
already has one, so maybe, you know, maybe it'd
be like, he kind of already did that, but I think
the Howling Commandos, they're such a name with
the comics, you know, obviously you're not gonna
have Nick Fury because then H doesn't work out,
but... I think maybe if you have a white guy
with an eyepatch, that's just like a callback
to the old Nick Fury or something like that.
But I don't know. I just thought it'd be cool
because I think I like those characters and I
would just want to see more of them. I also like
the actor that plays Dum Dum Doog and I always
think he does a really good job in his roles.
Yeah, and he was in Bandit Brothers, too. I do
like that actor. He's in a few things. I don't
see him around as much anymore. He was actually
just in a commercial. I think it was for Chevy.
Oh, you're right. You're right. Yeah. It was
kind of the big car brand in Captain America,
the new movie here. True, true. I think he was
in the movie with The Rock, too. Walking Tall.
Yeah. The other one I want... I would love to
see made. We all know when it comes to direct
-to -dvd, animated movies, Marvel is lacking.
The number of gems are very limited. They don't
really have that many great ones. But there are
a lot of stories they can pull from. And they
aren't really taking a lot of their good stories
and making them in the comics. And I'm thinking,
what stories are out there that I don't ever
seen being made in live action? The way things
are going, I think Marvel will do anything. But
one that comes to mind, one that I really loved...
was Annihilation. The cosmic story of Annihilus
kind of taking over leaving the negative zone
and attacking the universe and it has all different
characters from the scrolls to the Kree to Nova
Force and there's so many characters there that
it's kind of hard to do that for a movie but
for a Direct -to -DVD animated movie you can
be maybe a little bit more lenient you can rely
on people thinking that they'll know more about
the characters and I just think that story has
so many potential with Thanos and Galactus and
so much Silver Surfer. It has like all the heavy
hitters in the cosmic universe and it was such
a great story. I think it would be fantastic
to see it on DVD or Blu -ray animated movie.
This one you guys might have because to me it's
like this has to be made. This is a character
that needs a movie and I don't know why he doesn't
have one and he should and I don't know why it's
not been announced because I even think have
the perfect person that could play him and that
is Black Panther that he should have a movie
I love the Black Panther he's one of my favorite
characters he has So much history behind him.
He's such an interesting character, you know
being a king of his own country being a warrior
He's one of the few people that can stand up
to Captain America and like go toe -to -toe and
hand -to -hand combat and I I thought this guy
should play Black Panther since I saw him in
the movie Serenity. And that's Chiotel Ejiofor,
who was just in 12 Years a Slave. He's an Oscar
-nominated actor. So what do you do after that?
You play a superhero. That's what you do. And
I think he even has, like, royal blood. He is
that character. He is Black Panther. And he's
done action before in Serenity. If you see Serenity,
like, you can see, like, you just do a little
bit of twists and turns and he is the king of
Wakanda. That movie should just be made. It just
needs to be. I don't know, Shaquille O 'Neal
might be a better Black Panther. True. Sorry
I ruined your Panther party. The next one, this
is out there. Some people may not be aware of
it. You guys have heard of the comic The Runaways?
Vaguely, yeah. Not really sure what it's about.
Yeah, I've read a couple of graphic novels. I
thought they were... pretty good yeah the the
basic concept of the runways is they're kids
of super villains who try to become heroes i
just think that would be a great movie i don't
have more than the say than that i just think
it is a great concept i think it would fit in
with like a teen demographic and i also think
that would get in uh some uh younger ladies in
to see that because i think they have some great
younger girl characters in there Yeah, yeah,
it would be a completely different demographic,
like you mentioned. Something unlike anything
I'm doing currently. And then I'll finish it
up here, because I've been talking way too much.
I think this would be a great television series,
and that's the Inhumans. If you read the 2002
Marvel Nights graphic novel or story, it gets
into the Inhumans. And if those who don't know,
they're like, Inhumans are like original humans
who were experimented on by the Kree, and then...
Because of the target miss then they we get superpowers
basically and their leaders black bolt And I
just think there's like a great family dynamic.
It's almost like Shakespeare thinking like Game
of Thrones meets the Avengers In space, but I
just think there's cool things there, and I don't
know if it would work as a movie But as a TV
series, I think it could be kind of cool, but
that's it for me Chuck what were you thinking
for Marvel and what they could do? Well, I will
say firstly, I do agree with your Black Panther
suggestion. That was one that I had on my list,
and I know it's one that's been rumored for a
long time, but we really haven't gotten any confirmation
on that, you know, as we've gotten confirmation
on things like Ant -Man and even Doctor Strange
now, some of their Netflix shows with Luke Cage
and stuff like that, but really haven't got any
concrete information on Black Panther yet, and
that's someone, like you said, Dan, that... Think
would do great in a movie. I don't think it's
like TV show material. I don't think it's something
that you could stretch out like that I think
yeah, I agree. I think it's more of a movie like
you could tell it all in one story I'm not really
sure of like an actor to play him. I know I mentioned
Shaquille O 'Neal who You know, obviously he's
a great actor in his own right, but he's already
started in steel though. I mean that that rule
so Infamous can you really top steel? It's true.
Yeah I mean, you might be able to get someone
like Charles Barkley, you know, not the most
articulate guy in the world, but Michael Jordan.
I mean, after Space Jam, I mean, you know, just
naming random basketball stars. But John Stockton.
No, I guess I don't want to throw Idris Elba
in there because he's being in every movie ever
right now. I mean, I think he would do a great
job, but I feel like it deserves a more unique
actor. I'm not really familiar with the one.
that Dan had mentioned, but Black Panther definitely
needs to be made. There's a lot of things they
could do there that would tie into the rest of
the Marvel Universe. His country Wakanda has
the largest deposit on Earth of vibranium, and
vibranium is used for a number of different things.
It's used in Captain America Shield. There's
a lot of agencies like Hydra and AIM that are
after vibranium. I think it would... be a great
opportunity to tie a lot of things in with the
rest of the Marvel Universe. And there's a lot
of room for expansion there which is what they're
doing with all their movies. So I think that
makes a lot of sense to me. Secondly I will say
I think a Black Widow movie would be great. You
get a much bigger role from her in this Captain
America sequel in the Winter Soldier movie. And
I think they developed her relationship with
Cap very well in that movie. And you learn a
little bit about her even though they refrain
from revealing her past, you do learn a lot about
her character. You didn't really know much about
her in Iron Man 2 and Avengers. You just kinda
like, okay, she's a good guy, let's just trust
her, but you didn't really know anything. In
this Captain America sequel, they fleshed her
out a lot more. I think the fact that they hinted
at her complex backstory, I think they have a
lot of material there to work with. They could
make a really interesting movie out of that.
I think there's something that they can tie in
with that and that's that's Hawkeye I don't know
if necessarily Hawkeye could make his own movie
but I think maybe With the history in the past
that they hinted at in Avengers that he has with
Black Widow, you know I remember them talking
about a lot of missions that they did together
a lot of experiences that they shared I think
maybe he could appear in the Black Widow movie
and be a great supporting character and that
would be a great way to show off his backstory,
show off some of his awesome skills with the
bow and stuff like that. And then lastly, for
a movie anyway, I'm going to mention one of my
favorite characters, and that's the Silver Surfer.
And I don't think that he got a proper treatment
in the Fantastic Four sequel, Rise of the Silver
Surfer. There were a lot of good aspects about
that, about him in that movie, but I think there
was a lot that they kind of left on the table.
Especially the fact that his surfboard gives
him his power, which is totally wrong. I thought
that was incredibly stupid how they did that.
Yeah. Surprisingly one of the least stupid things
that that movie did. Yeah. And then, you know,
more notably his origin, which ties in with Galactus,
who, you know, they royally screwed up his...
representation in that Fantastic Four movie,
kind of portraying him as a giant cloud instead
of the being that he is. I think there's a lot
of room for backstory there and a lot of room
for character development with Silver Surfer
because he's one of those characters that's I
guess a lot like Captain America or Superman.
He's just that really noble character. His cause
is is just protecting the universe and doing
what's best for the universe. Protecting the
innocent, whoever it may be at the time. Doesn't
really have any ulterior motives most of the
time. He's just a good guy in general. And that's
of course after his curse with Galactus was lifted.
But I think there's a ton of backstory there.
And I know I've read a fair amount of Silver
Surfer comics in my day. One of his main villains
of course was Thanos. That would tie in very
well with our badass bracket yeah with the bracket
silver surfer's gone toe to toe with him many
times and there's been battles that were went
to silver surfer and ones that went to Thanos
so probably not something that they could uh
squeeze in here in time to finish to finish their
whole Thanos story but it's kind of a what might
have been thing because i think that it would
have tied in very nicely with with Thanos with
guardians stuff like that And it would have been
a great story, too, because where Silver Surfer
comes from, it's this planet called Xenla. It's
very Earth -like. He had a woman back home. He
had a love interest that he was forced to leave.
I just think there's a great story there just
waiting to be told. And then as far as some other
suggestions, I have a couple of suggestions for
the Marvel one -shot movies that they put at
the end of a blu -ray of the other Marvel movies.
And I think... A couple ideas for those. I think
a great one shot would be for Maria Hill. Maybe
we can get some insight into more of the political
side of SHIELD, how things worked, even though
things kind of got shaken up in this Captain
America sequel. Maybe how they deal with other
organizations around the world like the United
Nations, the World Security Council and different
things. I think there's some pretty cool tie
-ins that they could do there. maybe throw Nick
Fury in there even, since Maria Hill's kind of
his trusted, you know, extension of his self
almost, maybe you could say. And I think Colby
Smulders is doing a great job in that role, especially
in this Captain America sequel. We see a little
bit more of her and you see her doing a great
job too with it. So I think giving her one shot
would be great. I'd like to see a lot more of
Colby Smulders. Greg's a fan. Greg has a vote
for my suggestion. And then also, I would love
to see a one shot for Falcon. I really enjoyed
Falcon in this Captain America movie, and I would
love to see his backstory. They hinted at a little
bit. I would like to see like some of the experience
he had with that exo suit, like those wings.
What are some of the missions that he ran? Like,
how did he become so proficient with that? How
did he get that good with it? I think that would
be a really cool one -shot. And then another
one might be a little bit of a curveball, maybe
you guys wouldn't expect, but I think a lot of
opportunity for some hilarious, just some total
hilariousness. I think a great one -shot would
be for Volstagg, which is of Thor lore, if you
will, as one of the Warriors 3, one of Thor's
close friends. And you might remember from the
first Thor... and he was in both of them but
in the first story he was the guy that was like
always eating you know he's that big guy with
the big belly and the gigantic red beard and
I know like we all know from the comics he's
one of the more comical characters especially
in the Thor universe but he's got some great
comedic relief just his eating habits and his
attitude towards fighting and I think that would
be fantastic to have Volstagg have his own one
-shot movie I think there's a lot they could
do there with the comedy and even more. They
could have the Warriors Three in there, Volstag,
Hogan, and Fandral. You could throw Lady Sif
in there, even since she joined them on a lot
of adventures. And I think that's a really cool
aspect of the Thor story that they touched on
a little bit in the Thor movies, but kind of
overlooked. So I would love to see Volstag. He's
a great character. Greg, what do you think? I
would like to throw in... My vote for a character
for an actor to play Black Panther, I think he's
very much up and running because you see him
in pretty much every film and I think that's
Morgan Freeman. He fits that role, I think. If
you're not going to have him as a Black Panther,
at least have him as his father for like a little
bit of a... I thought you were going to say Tyler
Perry. Oh, God, no. Tyler Perry presents the
Black Panther. Oh, God. I would kill myself right
here. I'd like to agree with Chuck, like I said
before, even. I think Black Widow deserves her
own movie, and I think they set up a lot of great
stuff for her to have her own movie. And on top
of that, I think they could try Falcon Out. and
a lot of things. He could do a one shot. He could
be in the movie with Black Widow. You could have
Hawkeye. You could have Black Widow and you could
have Falcon. I think that would be a nice little
trio there and I think Black Widow has a lot
of respect for Falcon at this point so I thought
that would be kind of interesting. And kind of
going along with Dan with the whole Annihilation
wave, I think it would be kind of interesting
because they're already kind of setting it up
now with Guardians of the Galaxy. But I really
like not the super latest one, but the storylines
before of Nova, like right after the Annihilation
wave where it was Richard Ryder kind of by himself
and he was essentially the Nova corpse. I thought
the storylines in that were really great. I'm
not one for really reading the space adventure
ones. That's more a Chuck's bag with a suggestion
with Silver Surfer. It has to be. That sort of
thing is my bag, baby. But I think if they do
a storyline like that with Richard Ryder, I think
that would be really great. And I definitely
think they're setting it up. One way I think
they could really go, which I would think would
be interesting, because I like these type of
characters. I would really like to do some kind
of Thunderbolts type of movie. Have the villains
come in and have a little bit of a flip side
to the whole situation. Yeah. I like that idea.
Yeah, I think they need to set up a little bit
more. Kind of have at least some villains that
are established in these movies already. So it's
going to take some time with that one, I think.
And I think that it would be interesting if they
set something up with Vision. With Age of Ultron
coming up, you know, Vision can't be that far
away. You got the Scarlet Witch in there. And
I think it would be really interesting to see
the relationship between a human being and a
machine. So I think that would be interesting
if they start setting that up a little bit. And
staying a little bit more in this universe of...
Marvel actually owned. I think a beta ray bill
one shot. It wouldn't be him in his full He wouldn't
have the thing his hammer and and quite that
power ability yet But I think right before he
kind of meets up with Thor and everything I think
that would be a little bit of an interesting
thing to put in there And then I kind of went
out of the bounds of ones that Marvel actually
owns, and kind of going into the X -Men world
that I love so much. I think if the Jurassic,
I think it's called Jurassic World, Dan? Yeah.
The movie that's gonna be coming out with Chris
Pratt, who's Peter Quill in the, gonna be in
the Guardians of the Galaxy movie. If that does
well, I think Marvel could kind of go off and
do a Savage Land movie. Nice. You've got Shauna
the She -Devil, and you've got K -Zar. That would
be kind of interesting, and you can kind of introduce
X -Men characters into that, but I think that's
an interesting location that Marvel has yet to
delve into, or I think it's owned by Sony, correct?
Or no, it's Fox. Fox does X -Men. Yeah, they
own X -Men, so they own Star Wars. Yeah. And
then also in that vein, a character that I'd
like to see more of. Even though he does get
a lot of play, but I think we all really enjoy
the character of Magneto. And I really like how
Michael Fassbender plays that character. And
then if you have a little bit more J -Law in
there, I always appreciate that. And then kind
of going away from just the characters, one storyline
that I really love that I wish they would...
do so because it's so crazy and it's got so many
in the comics it has so many of these great little
elements to it and it kind of falls in line with
my love of alternate storylines and I always
recommend this book to Chuck every time we're
in a comic book store together still haven't
convinced him to buy it yet still working on
it but I would love to see an old man Logan it's
in the future he's kind of sheathed the claws
and He kind of begrudgingly has to set out on
yet another adventure and all this crazy shits
going on and there's all these little Neat Easter
eggs that they can have in that that I think
would be really great And I don't think it would
really mess up their Continuity in the movies
that much I think that would be really awesome,
and I really love that that comic. It's one of
my favorites Yeah, well with the X -Men comics
you really have no continuity to really worry
about because it's all kind of convoluted at
this point anyway, so. But yeah, so basically
what we're saying is Marvel listen to us. We
have a lot of ideas for you to do and you're
doing a good job so far, but there's always room
for improvement. Before we go, we like to end
each episode with a letter. Last week Chuck had
a letter for the Bad Drivers of America or what
were they for short? The HTA, Horrible Drivers
of America. We're still waiting to hear back
from them. They have not yet gave us a reply.
Maybe they just took their lesson and they'll
learn from it. Well, I hope that's the case for
these people that I'm writing a letter to, and
that is the infamous Internet trolls. You may
be asking why? Why write Internet trolls? They've
been around for so long. They just seem to be
growing and growing. Well, they kind of just
came to me. not too long ago, basically, when
there was a news story that broke about a school
that had a threat behind it. There was a school
that someone thought there was a gun. It was
just huge confusion. The school was evacuated.
Luckily, it was nothing and everything, you know,
it all worked out in the end. No one got hurt.
Everyone's safe. You know, a good news story,
a positive thing, because everyone's walking
away from it with no issues. So, I made the mistake
of going down to the internet comments. just
seeing the ridiculousness of people and just
how people could turn anything like a positive
news story in some sort of horrible situation
and like how it's people trying to spread some
sort of agenda and how everything is so there's
basically some sort of evil conspiracy behind
everything nowadays and it's just ridiculous
so that kind of just like I was like alright
I'm done so that inspired me to write this to
all those different internet trolls that just
can't get enough of their ridiculous bullshit
but anyways here it goes dear internet trolls
life is a precious gift a gift with nearly limitless
potential and endless opportunity what do you
choose to do with this gift you choose to be
a faceless coward who hides behind an anonymous
curtain one that pokes and prods from the comfort
of their own home reveling in your ability to
cause a stir Congratulations, you have accomplished
literally the easiest task known to mankind,
also the most forgettable. Sure, history is full
of the naysayers, the haters, the disparaging
souls who find solace in bringing down others.
The difference between your kind and the noble
society is no one remembers your name, no one
cares who you are, and no one will ever bother
to ask. You are a cynical whisperer of ignorance
full of hate and fear. Your facts, if any, are
short -lived and mute in scope. You are bullies.
You are cowards. You are the unwashed taint of
society, full of false bravado that dissipates
the instant real conflict near your direction.
So the question then becomes, what can we do
to eliminate these wretched beasts and their
bastion? Easily. Be the change of the world that
you want to see. While that may sound corny,
its truth is unyielding. Not only do you not
feed the trolls, We eliminate them. We take the
effort of combating them, the one I'm currently
wasting right now, and channel it into something
positive. Next time you receive a disparaging
tweet, flaming Facebook posts, or you're about
to enter the infamous message board flame war,
stop. Change direction. Channel that anger for
good. Instead of... Playing their game, create
your own. Use it as a reason to do a random act
of kindness, holding a door open for an elderly
woman, letting someone in during bumper to bumper
traffic, join a charity to help those less fortunate
than you. Although that troll won't feel your
course, you will know you won. You will know
you are the better person making the world a
tad bit better. Your cess will be full and distinct.
Theirs will be hollow and short -lived. When
no one is there to answer their anger, when their
kingdom is a barren wasteland, where only their
kind congregates, they will wither away and die.
Maybe then, they'll finally get the message.
Sincerely, Dan. Very nice. All right. And if
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But before we go, you guys have anything else
to say before we bring this episode to a close?
Nope, good here. Are these the trolls from The
Hobbit and Word of the Rings? No, they're not
that good. They're from Troll 2. Oh. Yeah. Actually,
they're rejected trolls from Troll 2, so. And
just to say, like, I'm not saying I'm against
criticism or you shouldn't be able to say bad
things or say you don't like something. It's
just those people that don't know how to provide
constructive criticism. Okay, because I kind
of do that. No, it's all about there's a certain
quality to a troll and you know it when you spot
it. Those that place where I think a lot of trolls
tend to congregate is at yahoo .com and their
news stories. They take anything into some sort
of political soapbox. I look at those and then
I read the comments and those are hilarious.
It is pretty pathetic and the way people can
get. but anyways thank you again for joining
us this week we'll be back next week the same
time same channel same podcast feed same everything
same everything we're not going anywhere same
underwear yeah you too huh awesome but for now
this has been chuck this has been greg or fury
nicolas j and this has been dan and we've been
talking in circles we'll see you next week everybody
go to sleep Captain America does need a theme
song. He does not have one. Well, I guess he
does one. He does have a theme song from the
last film. The whole Captain America we trust
thing. I don't remember. The one that was like
really old school sound. Yeah, that was a really
old cartoon. It was like, when Captain America
froze his mighty heel. I don't know the rest
of it. I forgot to sing all this stuff. I totally
forgot to sing. My fans will be... my zero fans.
Quick, impersonate Honey Tim. Damn, I didn't
do it quick enough. What is this song? And we're
out.
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