March Badness 2: The Deciding Factor

Hey, this is Steve blue and you are listening

to the geek cast radio network So many battles

waged over the years And yet none of them like

this Are we destined to destroy each other or

can we change who we are and unite? Is the future

truly set? You are now on the inside of what

I like to call the circle of trust. We are all

connected in a great circle of life. You know

something Bert? What? I think you and I are going

in circles. It feels like we're going in circles.

The circle is now complete. When I left you,

I was but a learner. Now I am the master. Because

it's a circle. Yeah, we heard about the circle.

Yeah, I swear. A million would change. Hi, this

is Chuck. This is Greg. And this is Dan. And

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the smell of napalm in the morning. We are here

discussing and continuing our badass bracket

for round two. Last week we did our first side

of the bracket, this week we're doing our second

side. But before we get to all of that, how's

the week been going for you guys? Not too bad.

Pretty uneventful for me this past weekend. Kind

of went into work. It's good to start. I know

that sounds exciting, but did get a lot of work

done because there's like no one there on Saturdays,

which is awesome. Other than that, just some

family stuff and nothing really too geeky going

on. How about yourself, Greg, as you get bit

by another radioactive spider? No. After my trip

to the science museum, I actually got hired by

the military to make this gamma bomb up. But

there was somebody out there on the the field

and I ran out there and they decided to bomb

anyway I don't know why they didn't stop it or

anything But I got bombed and I magically survived

the experience. It was weird I got a little hazy

after that and I kind of blacked out But I had

this dream that I got really big and green. It

was the weirdest thing You may want to invest

in purple pants purple pants purple pants stretchy

purple pants. Okay stretchy Don't think that

really matches any of my outfits and they rip

everywhere except around the crotch. That's good

I need a lot of coverage there very convenient.

Yeah, yeah My week has been well one I'd like

to kind of forget in some ways on my way to work

on Friday now I was stopped at a red light because

you know, that's what you're supposed to do and

then I was on like the kind of like the middle

lane Well, not really and there was a turning

lane, but the turning lane hadn't start yet But

the guy behind me or driving up behind me that

didn't bother him at all He's like I'm gonna

make a turning lane even one one's not there

and he did that and doing so he hit my car he

like nicked it hit my mirror broke that and then

continued to continue to drive and Drove right

off into the sunset not either noticing or not

caring. Just keep going So that was a great deal

of fun and I had to get my mirror replaced You

wouldn't think a side mirror would be that expensive,

but it is so that's probably about a hundred

and fifty I'm gonna assume Well the labor outside

it also had some dings in on my fender So it

cost me like over a little over three hundred

dollars to get everything fixed Yeah, and of

course, there's a traffic camera, which wasn't

working Like I'm sure if I ran ran a red light

it'd be working fine, but yep I've gotten tickets

before it's happened that you should use the

persons of interest machine to find the guy that

hit your car But yeah, so that kind of stunk

and it was just on my way to work and then it

was just a big to do about this It was really

annoying mostly because the guy just did it and

like ran off which is kind of a douchey back

thing to do So yeah, it's a jerk move screw that

guy. So was it kind of scary like when it when

you first like heard it happen and he went by

Like it was one of those things was like, what

was that noise? Someone got hit. Oh, I did. Damn

it Didn't even shake the car at all That awkward

moment. Yeah car didn't shake agree because he

really just hit the mirror for the most part

It was weird the mirror didn't like get torn

off. It was still barely on but the mirror itself

on top of the side mirror like the actual reflection

part of it fell off, so I Hadn't I got replaced

and it's a different color because they have

to go get it painted and stuff just like a stupid

jerk. You should have taken the old one and like

rubbed it where you hit it with your finger and

like licked it and then you could like, you know,

track down the guy that, you know, hit you. All

you have to do is lick every other mirror in

Baltimore. That's the goal. I should try that.

I appreciate it. Where were you then, Chuck?

Gotta use that knowledge. But yeah, so that's

a pain in the butt, but I'm glad it's done and

over with. Besides that, besides my mirror adventure

and Greg's getting bombed, do you guys have anything

else you've been up to in the past week? Greg

and I had another little movie date. We also

held hands this time. It's a necessity at this

point. We held hands in the glow of the exit

sign this time. My girlfriend and I went and

Greg went along with us and we went to see Non

-Stop. Yeah, I had to share Chuck this time.

Sharing is caring. I had to sit in the middle,

which was the best seat. She got both hands held.

That's nice. Yeah. I didn't have any hands left

for popcorn, though. Anyway, we did get to see

Non -Stop, which is the movie starring Liam Neeson.

And I'm not sure about Greg, but I was going

into this kind of thinking it was going to be

like taken on an airplane, kind of basically

like a pure action movie. I wouldn't even really

call it an action movie because it was kind of

more of a suspense slash thriller movie and But

I really really liked this movie. I mean it it

really held my attention all the way through

I Didn't watch the exit sign this time Yeah,

it was there was a lot of other stuff to watch

I mean I absolutely enjoyed the mystery of it

just trying to figure out who on the plane is

like hacking into his cell phone and stuff and

it kept me guessing because I mean I like to

try to figure out kind of what's going on in

the movie I think everybody does and I kept changing

my guess as the movie went along and I guess

that's kind of what you want you know like it

it really like keeps you kind of off guard and

like you're not really sure who's behind it there's

a lot of things in this that I was happy with

I think Just the way like the passengers were

acting. I thought it was very appropriate for

like what was happening There was a group of

guys trying to meet up and formulate this plan

to stop Liam Neeson who they thought was the

hijacker for most of it and I got the feeling

that that's really how it would go down, you

know, especially the stuff since like 9 -eleven

there's more of like a heightened sense of duty

and security and stuff like that and In this

movie had like an NYPD officer who was on the

plane and he was kind of getting really suspicious

of what Liam Neeson's character was doing. It

really conveyed that cop mentality. He's looking

to protect these people from something that didn't

feel right. I thought his character was like

it's really minor but I thought it was like a

great little twist to have in there and the whole

thing just seemed really realistic to me. I guess

the steps that the Neeson's character was taking

to figure out the real perpetrator the reactions

of like the crew and stuff even like the news

coverage streaming on the plane like you know

how like CNN gets a hold of a story immediately

it's like all over TV and internet and everything

and it just felt really very real I could sort

of feel his sense of peril in the movie too like

in the stress and tension that was mounting out

of him as things progressed I was actually trying

to get inside of his head The whole time I kept

wondering like how can you stay cool in a situation

like this when it's it's kind of become personal

I don't I don't think he was for the most part

like like there was some parts in there He was

like what the hell do I do? Right, and I'm just

thinking like how do you fall back in your training

and just? Rely on your intelligence and like

still get the job done. I thought that was like

a really cool aspect of it I do have kind of

questions. I saw it. I don't think I liked it

as much as you guys did. You had a horrible taste,

Dan. Horrible taste. I know. Where'd you get

that line from? I have no idea. I don't know.

This came to me. It was weird. Oh, deja vu. I

guess my one question would be for you guys,

how did you feel about, you know, there was a

mystery there, of course, and not giving any

specific spoilers, how did you feel about the

answer to that mystery? Were you satisfied? Did

you have any issues with it at all? I was also

guessing the entire time too and the fact that

it went back to somebody that he's already had

once and the one scene where he actually kind

of builds a bond with this character because

how do I explain this without giving spoilers

away that the person does something for Liam

Neeson's character where they could have taken

completely over the situation i'm explaining

this horribly but uh basically uh the person

that you kind of almost thinking might have and

i'm right right it's really hard to explain basically

it's someone you suspect in the beginning and

then they kind of take you away from that and

like i don't know it it goes through a lot of

different people it comes back to people they

keep dangling stuff in your face and taking it

away putting back in your face yeah, and it ended

up being kind of I think someone that you suspected

early on in the movie, but then it takes you

away from it and But it does that a couple times.

So it's really you're really not giving anything

away here like by saying this because you go

into this thing and still Be totally surprised.

So yeah, I guess the only issue I had was I felt

like the motivations behind it all seemed a little

sketchy and underdeveloped were my major issues,

but But sounds like I'm in the minority here

because Greg you liked it as well. Yeah, I liked

I guess I could see what you're going at with

that but I didn't mind that as much because they

did keep me guessing the entire time and I guess

that's kind of what I was looking for and I think

that's what they were trying to give us in the

movie so I could kind of I could kind of let

them get away with that but uh my least favorite

thing in that movie my my pretty much probably

my only complaint is The part where they did

try and give you a little bit of action, I thought

it came off a little hokey and gimmicky. They

drop the level of the plane, and then the gun

kind of floats up into the air into his hand

right where he needs it, and... Yeah, that was

a little... that was like a bit of a stretch,

but... Yeah. That was my only really big complaint

about the entire thing. I didn't really have

a problem with the motivation behind... What

they were doing because I mean, I see what you're

saying, Dan. It was a little bit. A little bit

lacking, so to speak, so to speak, but I think

it's kind of realistic in that way because a

lot of those type of actions, like people really

have stupid reasons and like they don't make

sense to the rest of us. So I thought that kind

of, you know, reflected things that happen in

real life to a degree. Yeah, I guess I could

see that. I do agree. There was a good suspense

there and I did really like how it. started to

develop its mystery and just even like the production

of it with the texting and how it handled that

it reminded me a lot of Sherlock and how it handles

the texting with it on the screen and so it was

able to like you said keep you guessing with

different red herrings here and there so I have

a question for you Dan what happens if they kind

of if they left the mystery going at the end

they didn't give you a reason or they didn't

really give you the people at the end do you

think that would have been a better ending? Like,

what would you do to make it a more satisfying

movie for you at the end there? There you go.

That's a question and a half. Well, I mean, I

wouldn't be against them not solving, having

certain things up in the air. I'm never really

against that. There's a lot of movies that tend

to do that. I don't know like what I would do

specifically to make it a better movie. I think

if anything, it would be I felt like it wrote

itself into a corner and it didn't know how to

get out of it with the characters I guess the

motivations behind it didn't seem like they were

they fit with the actions of the characters like

for the one character it did he did seem like

he had a lack of He was loose on his reality

and insanity was leaving him with the other one

a little bit more questionable So I guess if

you were to further explain that or I guess give

him more defined what they Define more so what

they want to get out of it because that was my

thing like I didn't understand if this plan went

into flourishing What was in the end game like

what was what would that give them? That was

the one thing I had I was questioning What would

the takeaway be at the end if the plan went through

the way they wanted it to I? Think like I know

the one guy He pretty much planned on not getting

off the plane like he was planning on pretty

much dying with it Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I guess

Mike with that though if this Went down the way

they think it like the way they try to plan it

or the guy tried to plant it or the girl or whatever

Like what you know, what then would that lead

to like what what would happen? I didn't understand

them If it worked out the way they wanted it

to in that universe What would then be the repercussions

of it? I mean, I guess if it worked out if it

worked out the way they wanted to it would have

ruined The name of Liam Neeson's character and

which was kind of revenge that they wanted for

his failing A 9 -11 or whatever. Yeah, and I

get that for the one character, but for certain

other characters, it was just like, I don't know.

But I mean, it was fine. Like, I didn't hate

it. I just, I was just a little bit let down

with where they went with it. I felt if you connect

the dots a little bit more, if you look at the

different twists and turns and you try to put

them together, there are ones that don't work

as well, that specifically with the other agent

who was on board, and some of the decisions he

makes that make you question his where his head's

at. And then, it's hard to say that without getting

away, but how his belongings play into the story.

I'm just like, well, then if that happened, then

why did he not notice that in the bag? And I

just, I don't know. And to me - What's in the

box, man? What's in the box? it's it's uh kevin

spacey's head so but i don't know if you have

seen it out there have seen non -stop be curious

to hear what other people think of it if you

enjoyed it if you much chuck and greg did if

you had any issues or or what have you but uh

you guys have anything else to say regarding

non -stop before we move on yeah that's about

it i'm good all right the one thing i did get

to see and i know you and uh chuck and greg you

both had a chance was the new And I think the

last X -Men Days of Future Past trailer. Oh,

yeah. This is, I think, the second real trailer

that we've gotten and it's expanded upon, you

know, what we expected even more. Certain things

are dropped. We can tell that Wolverine is going

into the past. It does seem that most of it may

be focused in the past with Michael Fassbender

and Xavier with something going on, trying to

stop the future in some way. But I'm interested

to hear what you guys thought of the trailer

and if you're more excited, less excited for

the movie. Greg, what did you think? I'm equally

as excited as I was before. I think I kind of

have been going in with kind of a high excitement

level. But just the look I got off this trailer,

I think it's going to be a little bit more. Epic

than I thought it was and I have a feeling it's

gonna be a lot longer than I I thought it's gonna

be because it seems like there's a lot of stuff

going on in There a lot of stuff to fit into

one movie. I think just how many different Landscapes

they seem to be in different venues that they're

at and everything By the way, do we have to have

a football stadium now collapse in every superhero

movie? My last thing is Jennifer Lawrence looks

really good in The Fatigues, but she looks good

in anything, so I just wanted to add that in.

I couldn't even see her in The Fatigues. She

was hard to spot. Well, she was walking away

from a plane, and she was at somebody else, and

then she switched over into her... Jennifer Lawrence

not blue look Interesting Chuck. What did you

think of the trailer? I thought it was awesome.

I really liked it I think I liked it even better

than the first trailer and I think I'm more pumped

now than I was before but I think that's only

because I've just been so hungry to get little

tidbits from this movie Sorry, I had to get singing

in there somewhere. Yeah, it's It just had me

pumped like to see in this new footage. Honestly

and I know Greg mentioned this too the other

day and it kind of shows a little more than you

would want I think in some ways. The more I thought

about it the more I kind of came to that realization

but there's a lot of great new footage. There's

in particular I love the opening sequence. You

know where you see this image of the future and

there's battle ravaged buildings. And you hear

a great little monologue by Patrick Stewart Xavier

saying like, you know, of all the battles over

the years, none were like this. Are we destined

to destroy each other or can we change who we

are and unite? This is what the X -Men story

is about. Like it's such a reflection of our

society through the years about minorities not

being accepted by others and something that's

held up well through the years, which is actually

kind of sad if you think about it. But it's relatable

for so many people throughout the world and it's

what makes it Such an interesting story and why

they have so many fans and I'm really interested

to See where they go with that and like what

new twists they put on this story But the biggest

part of this for me was just the geeky side of

it where you see in the trailer You have stuff

like Iceman's ice slide from the comics which

finally makes its appearance I know some people

been waiting that for for a while. They have

some cool work with Blink's teleportation portals

I think that could be a really cool and really

underrated part of the movie if they do that

the right way. Finally seeing more of Colossus

in his armored form too, like that's something

I've been waiting for for a while and something

that X -Men 3 kind of I guess left something

to be desired with that. One of the few things.

Yeah, they did a little bit of it, you know,

but not really what you want it to see. Not as

much as you want it to show. Yeah, true. And

then lastly, I guess the shot with all the sentinels

flying through the air. I mean, that's something

that like I've been waiting for in an X -Men

movie since the get -go. Like I'm a huge fan

of the sentinels and that's a big part of this

movie that I'm really looking forward to. But

do you think they kind of spoil that now in a

trailer instead of building that up for the movie

where you could probably get more of an awe factor

in there doing it in the movie instead of on

a commercial? No, I don't think so. I think I

think the just that shot with showing like I

don't know how many there are but like it looks

like there's hundreds of them just coming down

I think that creates more questions than anything

and you're like It just looks like you said epic

like it makes the trailer look epic and you're

like, how are they gonna overcome this? You know,

there's just so many of them like sheer numbers.

I mean you have 20 foot tall mutant hunting robots

and there's hundreds of them I mean, it doesn't

get much cooler than that. It's just something

I've been waiting for for so long. And a lot

of people know it's coming anyway from all the

photos released and stuff. So I think something

like that kind of gets people amped up more.

I think it's kind of good that they threw that

in there. And then a lot of people, too, had

some issues. I mean, we even talked about it

with way back when we did, like, taking it too

far regarding the design of the sentinels. We

had some issues with it. So I think maybe they

wanted to kind of show what they look like in

action the show because sometimes it's hard to

tell how something looks from like a set photo,

but in the film It might actually look better

and within that framework. They decided to go

with the destroyer armor. Yeah Yeah, that's a

good point because I think maybe some people

were questioning the look of them and are they

gonna be really corny are they just gonna be

like big clinking tin cans and stuff that don't

really pose a threat, but I think maybe like

you were saying Dan, they kind of threw them

in there to kind of reassure fans a little bit.

Yeah, they are kind of badass. Like they are

going to be formidable. It's hard for me to get

more like you Shaq and Greg. It's hard for me

to get more excited. When I did my top 30 movies

that I'm looking for in 2014, this was number

one. So it's not like I can put it any higher

than that. One two and three or something like

that But I will try part of me is worried and

I don't know why I don't know if it's just being

pessimistic being let down before for certain

things I love x -men 2 x -men 2 was one of my

and still is one of my favorite comic book movies

and then x3 came out and it did not live up to

what I hoped for and I'm kind of worried that

will happen again with x -men first class I had

like zero expectations and I was blown away,

but what it gave us so it's just I'm worried,

not based upon the trailer, just because there's

so much they can do wrong. I like what I'm seeing.

I do like the fact that it does seem like it's

going to focus more on the relationship between

Xavier and Magneto, again, because I think that

was the best part of First Class. So the fact

that that's another key factor that seems like

it's getting them to agree, which is going to

be the key. I don't know. I love Fastbender as

Magneto, maybe even more than... Ian McKellen,

which might be sacrilegious. That switchover

was pretty cool, too, where they went from, I

forget if it was from McKellen to Fassbender,

vice versa, but that was a pretty... Oh yeah,

when he was holding his hands outstretched kind

of in front of him. Yeah, that was a pretty cool

switchover. I think that this storyline that

they're doing, something in the past and something

in the future at the same time, I think it gives

them a lot of freedom. to do stuff in the future

that they normally wouldn't do like say if they

want to kill off certain characters or they want

to go a certain route on something they can kind

of do that because the goal of it is to go back

in time and prevent this future so I think it'll

be interesting some of the stuff that they put

out there because of that freedom but like you

said Dan it's it's a slippery slope because with

so many characters there's a lot of room for

error there so You know like they did an x3.

So it is kind of scary Luckily, we don't have

that long to wait. Summer's not that far away

Even if it's snowing right now, which is depressing,

but can't wait can't wait to see it It's coming

up very shortly. So we'll of course be talking

about it when it finally does come out but Anything

else before we take a break and finally finish

and determine who really is the biggest badass?

I think the summary for that is that we need

to be held While we're waiting for that to come

out Yes, yes. I need to go get some sort of support

group so we can talk about it until it finally

comes out. I need my binky and my blanket. And

they might need to have like counseling and like

a crisis. Crisis center. Yeah, available after

the movie debuts just in case it doesn't live

up to expectations that you have a place to go

to and, you know, something to hold you. Alright,

so that's pretty much what we have to say about

X -Men Days of Future Past. Hopefully, it will

be coming shorter rather than later. But we're

going to take a quick break here and when we

come back, we will be deciding it all. Who really

is the biggest badass? And again, Greg, it's

not Kim Kardashian. Biggest badass, not biggest

ass. Well, that ass is pretty badass. It is,

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you haven't listened last week Then you're a

crazy person. Stop what you're doing. Go back

and listen. We started our biggest badass bracket

inspired by March Madness. And if you did listen,

you found out that the winner of that side of

the bracket was none other than Thanos. This

week we're looking at the other side of the bracket

and trying to determine who will face off against

Thanos in the finals. And just a refresher, as

we're determining the biggest badass, this is

not who wins in a fight. This is looking at their

past histories, this is looking at their qualities

of badass -dom, really any logic we want to.

So just because a person can beat up another

person doesn't necessarily make them a bigger

badass. So we'll determine, we'll make our choices,

and then whoever has the most votes between myself,

Greg, and Chuck, we'll go on to the next round.

And like I mentioned last week, these aren't

in sort of a seed. So we tried to seed them so

that the top seeds were the ones we thought had

the most chance of winning the bottom seeds with

the least chance to make it as fair as possible

for this bracket that is unofficial doesn't mean

anything. But to us, it's a lot of fun. And I

think you thought that was sounded dirty. It

was meant to sound dirty. And I didn't even know

that. There you go. There's a lot of seeding

going on. There is there. Oh But anyways, let's

get this show under the road last week we started

with Batman and Who'd we start with on the Marvel

side? That's kind of Batman's equal. Maybe not

equal but just as popular and that of course

is Wolverine and he's going against Though this

isn't who would win in a fight. I think I would

love to see this fight because particularly I'm

not a big fan this person I find them a little

bit obnoxious and Hell's Kitchen's Gordon Ramsay

the You know the badass chef. I guess you would

say interesting enough Wolverine against Gordon

Ramsay. I guess I'll start with you Greg Who

you going with who is a bigger badass Wolverine

or Hell's Kitchen's own? Not there devil, but

Gordon Ramsay I like both of them. I did watch

Gordon Ramsay's Hell's Kitchen, both the European

version, the British version, and the American

version. He just kind of curses a lot, and he's

very caring, though, with his anger. It seems

like he cares a lot. I'm not sure if that really

makes him a badass so much. But we do tend to

see those tendencies with Wolverine sometimes.

Especially with teenage girls. Yes. I don't see

Gordon Ramsay going on a rampage. And Ramsay

has knives. He picks them up with his hands.

Wolverine has knives coming out of his hands.

Do they hurt? Every time yeah So I'm gonna go

with my boy my one of my most favorite characters

Wolverine All right, Chuck. How about you who

you're going with? Well, I have I am a big fan

of Wolverine as I'm a big x -men fan. I've also

Seen quite a bit of Gordon Ramsay to watching

Hell's Kitchen and there's another show he did

too. I See what Greg's saying where he's he is

kind of caring like I guess at the end of the

show but in the beginning he seems kind of douchey.

I think it's throughout. I think it's coming

from a place of caring that he gets that angry.

I don't know from what I've watched like usually

in the beginning he's kind of douchey like he

he really like humiliates people and stuff. Well

if you really want to see him I think he's a

little bit softer and gentler. I think that's

kind of a play up for the American version. Go

back and watch the British version of Hell's

Kitchen. It's on Netflix because I've watched

it multiple times, but it seems like he kind

of cares when he's angry. He gets so frustrated

and angry with these people because he wants

to help them so bad. But sorry for interrupting

you. Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, that's fine. Maybe

they kind of... push him into that since Americans

like cursing more than the Brits do. I will say

he's probably the scariest Brit that I know.

But I think Wolverine, though, he is the heart

and soul of the X -Men. Like you said, Greg,

he's got his own knives. He's got six of them

coming out of his hands. I mean, arguably he

could cook six times as fast as Gordon Ramsay.

So I got to go with Wolverine on this one. Yeah,

Wolverine made Yellow Spandex badass. I mean,

that's tough to do. I thought you were going

a different route with that, Dan. Sexy? Yes.

You think I was going sexy? Yeah. Well, that

too, but he made mutton chops badass. He made

whatever that haircut he has badass. He made

Canada badass. He made body hair badass. Maybe

one of the greatest accomplishments in history.

He made body hair badass. Yeah, I'm sure you

appreciate that he and I share same a lot of

the same qualities so Yeah, yeah, very true.

So yeah, there's no doubt here. I already wrote

him in anyways in the bracket So I'm not changing

it. So Wolverine is moving on in a clean sweep

I'm gonna start the next one because similar

to Greg with last week with Brock Samson This

is a character I know Greg and Chuck are not

that up on and that is Jack Bauer from 24 And

he's going up against he's got a challenge ahead

of him because he's going against Dwayne the

Rock Johnson and I guess I'll have to give the

case for Jack Bauer For one, I don't think there's

anyone who has had more worst days eight worst

days than that of Jack Bauer He saved the world

multiple times through terrorism acts. He basically

has taken on like every country broken every

law in order to save the day at the end he He's

a big fan of torture. He will do whatever he

can to get things out of people. The guy has

survived death. Literally, his heart has stopped

and he has been able to come back. He's been

brutally tortured. He's been kidnapped by countries

and he still does not stop. He just keeps going.

He just never gives up and keeps moving. He's,

like I said, he's protected the president. He

stopped nuclear attacks from happening. He saved

his family, stopped his daughter from being abducted.

He's had pretty much every bad thing that could

happen to his person. He's taken on his bosses,

his authority, and he's won. He has been on the

other side of the law, but in the end, been proven

right. So, he's a guy who doesn't have to play

by the rules in order to win. And he's against...

Drain the Rock Johnson again a badass. No doubt.

I mean in real life in movies. The guy was Miami

hurricane He was a professional wrestler. The

dude is like jacked up like no tomorrow. The

guy is huge I think he's bigger than the root

like the Hulk in the cartoon guy is enormous

but he also made the Tooth Fairy so And he also

made the game plan Jack Bauer would not do that.

That's beneath Jack Bauer So that's why I'm going

with Jack Bauer. But I guess I'll see if I at

all convinced you. Chuck, are you going with

Jack Bauer or are you going with Dwayne The Rock

Johnson? Well, I will say I've always kind of

wanted to watch 24. I've just never gotten around

to it. If I'm not mistaken, I think they're all

on Netflix. Actually, for a very short while.

So they're taking them off not too long, not

too long. So if you want to check it out, I would

say do it quickly. Act now! Yeah, you make a

pretty convincing argument. He does sound very

badass. I know just from like a little bit I've

seen of it like flipping through and just some

previews and stuff, I really got the impression

that he's like a Brian Mills type character or

Jason Bourne kind of all rolled into one, something

like that. And also I'm a big fan of The Rock,

especially that one movie. I believe it's Walking

Tall. Where he comes back to his house back to

his hometown and becomes sheriff and stuff like

that I think that's a great movie the one with

the four by four Yeah, yeah, have you seen walking

talk call to with Kevin Sorbo I? Have not I have

not good choice good choice About I think I heard

or saw that one. It's exactly the same thing.

Okay, just with Kevin Sorbo the same script But

actually Danny kind of stole my argument with

The Rock. I think he's he's done some some family

movies and he's kind of like He's still hanging

on to that action persona But he's doing some

more family roles and I think that kind of takes

away from his badassness a little bit and I think

I'm gonna have to go with Jack Bauer on this

one Wow. Wow. I'm very surprised Greg are you

making it a clean sweep or are you going with

Dwayne the one Dwayne the Rock Johnson? I like

Dwayne Johnson. Since he's not going to move

on anyway, since he's already gotten two votes,

I'll just go with him this time. Fair enough.

Fair enough. I feel like he warrants a vote,

so... Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all.

Just based on the Brahma Bowl tattoo, you gotta

give him at least one vote. I smell what the

rock's cooking. And it's delicious. Next up...

It's Wimpy's. Next up, we've talked about a lot

of the different expendables in this tournament.

John -Claude Van Damme, Arnold Schwarzenegger,

Rambo. Next up, maybe the younger expendable,

I guess, we have Frank Martin, the infamous character

from Transporter played by Jason Statham. Going

up against maybe the best name in Hollywood today,

Benedict Cumberbatch. Greg, I know you're a big

Sherlock fan. I don't know how big of a Star

Trek fan you are, but I know you're a Sherlock

fan. Who's a bigger badass better to cummerbatch

or? Frank Martin from the transporter. I did

see cummerbatch as I Thought he was really good

in that but I think the one thing that makes

Benedict cummerbatch really good for this list

was the fact that I believe he was He was a prisoner

at one point and not sure if he was fired upon

Or he just had a gun at his head But him surviving

that situation, coming out alive of that, for

an actual real -life person, is pretty freaking

badass. I think the fact that it happened to

somebody that's real counts for more than a fictional

character. But I still like Frank Martin. He's

very calm, cool, collected. His car's pretty

freaking sweet. He seems to get the ladies a

lot. Even though some of them are kind of scary

like that that girl with way too many freckles

on her face The one who transported to yeah,

I forget which one it is I haven't seen him in

a while and I really should Watch him again because

they were really good his his voice is pretty

freaking badass Baldish kind of head is freaking

badass the suit. It's really badass. I just think

there's There's just too much going on there

for Benedict to really handle, even though I

do really enjoy me some Cumberpatch. All right,

so we got one vote for Frank Martin. And I'm

actually surprised by that, Greg. I thought you

would go with putting a Cumberpatch. Yeah, I

know. I like his act. I think if it was something

other than a badass bracket, I think he would

hold a better chance, like maybe if it was his

version of Sherlock and it wasn't a badass bracket.

I'd probably bring him up a little bit higher.

I think Frank Martin is more badass. Sorry to

this one girl that I know. I know she's a big

Cumber Patch fan and I kind of was telling her

what was going on with the list and she was like,

oh my god, I'm so happy that you put it on there,

but I'm voting against it. Dream is destroyed.

You are the weakest link. I'm going to catch

some flack for that. I will hopefully. trying

to explain why I think Benedict Cumberbatch is

a slight bigger badass than Frank Martin from

The Transporter. She'll love you then, Dan. I

do agree. I love The Transporter films 1, 2,

and I do enjoy 3 as well. The fight scenes in

that are pretty phenomenal, how he makes a weapon

into pretty much anything. But Benedict Cumberbatch

is named Benedict Cumberbatch. That to me is

just pretty amazing. He's got a voice that is

just epic and so emotional. I mean, he played

Smog in the Hobbit film and you could see why.

His face though, it just looks menacing and evil.

But he can also be very lighthearted and funny

in like Sherlock. He has a smart charm to him,

but he can also like... Turn that on a dime and

with something like con where he's just complete

evil. So I think that is pretty badass He's not

necessarily physically a badass but a mental

badass, which is maybe even a little harder To

protect and a little bit harder to control. So

my vote goes for a Benedict Cumberbatch And Chuck

we have one vote in each category. You're the

first deciding factor of the night. Who you going

with? The only thing I've pretty much seen Benedict

Cumberbatch in is Star Trek Into Darkness. I

will say I was very impressed with his con. I

think he played an excellent villain. He did

really good in that movie. I'm a really big fan

of The Transporter though. I love all those movies

and like Greg said too, the way he keeps his

car so immaculate. That's pretty badass to me

and I guess one of the deciding factors for me

is I think it was in I want to say the second

movie in the beginning when all the guys confront

him in the parking garage and the girl has a

gun to his head and he basically doesn't really

pay much attention to them like he knows they're

there but he keeps doing what he's doing he's

putting his gloves on or whatever he's doing

he's fiddling with his stuff in his car it just

seems so badass to me that he's like he already

knows that he's gonna beat them like before the

fights even started so that's something that's

always stuck with me so I'll go with Frank Martin

on this one. All right, Frank Martin is moving

on. Next up, interesting we talked about Benedict

Cumberbatch because I already thought he'd make

a great, he would fit this role really well in

live action. It may never happen, but I think

he has a voice for it. And that is Dr. Doom.

And Dr. Doom is going up against Patrick Swayze

Dalton from Roadhouse, the great American classic.

Chuck, we ended with you last round. We'll start

with you here. Who was the bigger badass, Doctor

Doom or Dalton? This is a pretty tough one. Dalton

did some pretty badass things in the Roadhouse

movie. If you remember, I think it was towards

the end, he actually rips out a guy's throat

with his bare hands and spin kicks him into a

river. One of the most badass moments of the

80s, I think, in my opinion. But the trouble

here is, I think, is that he's running up against

Doctor Doom and I guess my argument for Dr. Doom

is that he basically is the king of his own country,

Latveria. He's like the emperor. So just the

fact that he has his own country, he has diplomatic

immunity in other countries and in the US, I

think it makes him a really big badass and I'm

gonna go with Dr. Doom here. All right, one vote

for Dr. Doom. Greg, who are you going with? Could

you do me a favor and put the... the scene from

Lethal Weapon for when Chuck said, diplomatic

immunity, and then he gets shot down. I can work

on that. Thanks. I think Chuck makes a good point

and has an interesting tidbit there with Dalton

of taking a guy's throat out with his bare hands.

But the thing that kind of disturbs me with Dalton

was that it was like he was practicing Yoga or

karate or something where he was he was very

He was very dainty with how he was moving around

with his he was very sweaty yeah, and then Wasn't

he wearing something a little bit weird in one

of those scenes as well like I think he had sweatpants

on was it sweatpants I thought there was something

else that he he was he was in But then they could

I could be thinking of a different scene, but

yeah plus plus his hair I find a little bit Not

that badass. It's very girly hair. He does get

a very, very cute lady friend in there and he's

got some badass friends in Sam Elliott. I just

think Dr. Doom is really menacing and he's got

a suit of armor on and that's pretty old school

badass medieval time. Badass there and his fact

that he knows magic and science He's been to

hell and back to try and get his mother I think

all that is pretty badass and he's got like an

army full of soldiers that look freaking just

like him That's pretty badass as well. So I'm

gonna go with dr. Doom So do two votes dr. Doom

and I'm gonna make it a clean sweep. I'll save

it save some stuff for later rounds, but Basically,

Dr. Doom is whence is that no one no not even

a god. He is so equal maniacal He just thinks

he can do anything and he kind of backs it up

in a lot of ways like you talked about ruling

his own country He you think about some of the

stuff he's been able to pull off and he's been

able to one -up Beings that are technically maybe

more powerful than him But he outsmarts them

and I think he gets there simply because he he

wants something and he gets it which is pretty

badass, so there's no doubt in my mind that Dr.

Doom should move on, and he is. So Dr. Doom is

going on to the next round. Next up, this is

a little bit of, it may sound like a mismatch

at first, but you'd be surprised where I go with

this. And Greg, you might find this character

familiar based upon what happened to you earlier

this week. Starting off is Hulk, the incredible

one himself. How would I even relate to that

at all? I don't know. It's weird. You have the

same you have a similar muscular structure Oh,

do we? Yeah. Yeah. All right my time at the gym

and working out is paying off looks like yeah

Yeah, also would not like you when you're angry.

So interesting enough and he's going up against

Sarah Connor from Terminator based upon body

size kind of a mismatch But I ended it last round.

I'm gonna start with this one and Hulk is enormously

powerful Hulk could probably crush puny Sarah

Connor in a heartbeat, but I don't think he's

a bigger badass. I think badass doesn't always

equal power and sometimes having no power and

still being a badass is more incredible. Sarah

Connor didn't start as badass, you can see Terminator

1, she was just a normal person kind of living

her life, but after being chased down by an evil

Arnold Schwarzenegger, that'll change a person.

So if you see what happens to her in Terminator

2, she becomes an ultimate badass. She's resourceful,

she can break out of prison just with not much

more than a toothpick, and she'll go against

a Terminator with no superpowers, she has weapon

skills, she grooms herself into a machine in

order to save the universe, or save the world.

So you gotta give her credit for that. In Lin

-Wil Hamilton, man, in Terminator 2, I would

not want to mess with her. She would take you

down and ask no questions. So, I'm going Sarah

Connor. Hulk, I mean Greg, I know you're a big

Hulk fan, so who are you going with, Hulk or

Sarah Connor? Hulk can survive so much freaking

damage. He could, he heals from it, he could

just take the blunt force of an attack and he

just keeps getting stronger and stronger and

I think that's pretty badass. He wears purple

stretchy pants to go out in public like that

and... beat the crap out of people. It's pretty

badass. Do you think him and Joker have the same

tailor? I don't think so. I think Hulk makes

his own alterations on his clothes. And also

the fact that he survives the end of the world.

He's the only one left in the story Hulk the

End. I think that's pretty freaking sweet. So

I'm gonna go. That's a good story. Yes, it is.

If you haven't read that, I'd go check that out.

It's pretty good. So I'm going with Hulk. I can't

really defend Sarah Connors at all. I haven't

really seen any of the Terminator movies. You

guys are gonna hate me for that. So we got Terminator

and we got Predator. When you come down, we have

a lot. Do you hate Arnold Schwarzenegger? No,

I like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I just don't know

why I've never really seen any more Terminator

Terminator or predator movies. I don't know why

you more of a red heat fan. I haven't seen that

I don't know. I don't know why I haven't seen

those but All right. I apologize to everybody.

That's like why hasn't he seen any of this crap?

Why should we even listen to this jackass? I

say that to myself all the time Alright, so we

got one vote, Hulk. We got one vote, Sarah Connor.

Chonk, you've been the side -effector earlier,

and now you're up there again. Who are you going,

who are you pushing on to the next round? Oh,

boy. You would think this one would be really

easy for me, but this is actually pretty hard.

I'm making a case for Sarah Connor in my head

this whole time. She's kind of... She's really

badass in that she raised her son who was pretty

much the pivotal catalyst for the whole... Rebellion

revolution in the future against the against

the machines the things that she does to protect

him You know while he's growing up Just some

really badass stuff there for like Dan said for

a normal woman at the beginning of the first

movie to just take that burden upon her and Just

I guess do so well with it. It's really really

impressive but you have the Hulk who like greg

said the amount of damage he takes uh it's kind

of reminiscent of wolverine where he has this

healing factor and he can just regenerate from

pretty much any kind of uh damage even like a

nuclear blast or anything which which is why

he survives in the end in that story um hulk

the end but could you argue that that makes him

less of a badass since he knows he can't lose

it's like playing with the cheat codes on There's

always a little bit of a chance that he won't

make it. I think that's been displayed a couple

times in the comics. Yeah. True. Yeah. I mean,

this is tough. I honestly could go either way

on this. Wow. Chuck's by. If I had a dart in

my hand, I would just throw a dart. Pick your

computer. It's like yeah I would need a good

new computer, but I do have a touch screen So

I guess I could just touch it like close my eyes

and touch it. Holy crap. Uh, I'm gonna go Hulk

I guess okay fair enough Hulk is moving on This

might be the combined oldest battle we had going

on starting off last week I talked about we had

the good the bad and the ugly and that's all

in one character and that of course is Clint

Eastwood going up against Stan the manly You

have one of the all -time comic book creators

against one of the all -time movie makers kind

of insane battle going on here Chuck you ended

last round. Let's start with you here. Who is

a bigger badass Clint Eastwood or Stanley? Who?

Well Stan Stan has the nickname the man which

is is pretty badass in and of itself and Considering

he created like half the Marvel universe, I think

that's pretty impressive feat. You know, a lot

of his characters are in this bracket in a way

that kind of puts him above them. Clint Eastwood

made a lot of great movies in his day, kind of

known for some of those spaghetti westerns. He

had that that grimacing face and, you know, always

chewing on the cigar kind of. And then, you know,

even into. Little bit of more modern genre when

he made the Dirty Harry movies and stuff like

that Probably one of the one of the most famous

lines about uh, did I fire five shots or six?

Do you feel lucky punk? Do you? It's a very badass

line unfortunately, I think my I Think my heart

is going to side with Stan Lee on this one All

right, fair enough fair enough and I could see

what you're saying there Stan Lee what he's done

I mean think about all the characters we talked

about and none of them would exist without Stanley

I mean, that's pretty badass. If they give out

all the Marvel movies, they would probably not

exist without Stan Lee. And he's still going

at his age. He's still going full -born. That's

pretty badass. You ever hear Stan Lee talking?

He's pretty hilarious. He just takes on that

persona. And I think he's a big reason comics

survived the common court of authority. He brought

them into New Generation with stuff like Spider

-Man and Fantastic Four. He changed the game

for sure. There's no doubt there. But when we're

talking badass, it's hard to beat Clint Eastwood.

He defined what it meant to be badass for a new

generation. His character in Good, the Bad, and

Ugly and Hang 'em High when he talked about spaghetti

westerns. How many characters have come after

that that have took inspirations from Clint Eastwood?

Characters we've already talked about. Things

like Indiana Jones. You can see Clint Eastwood

in some of his mannerisms. You can talk about

Dirty Harry. Even Later on and things like Gran

Torino unforgiven the guys still making movies

and that's that's pretty badass and he also like

said yell at empty furniture. So there you go.

My vote goes for Clint Eastwood. Greg, you are

the deciding factor who's going on Clint Eastwood

or Stanley. I think I could make this kind of

simple. Stanley has is a badass with a certain

group of people. I think Clint Eastwood is kind

of more known as a universal badass. I think

more people would agree about that. So I'm going

to go with Clint Eastwood, even though I would

have loved to see the battle between Hulk and

Stan Lee. But I'm going to go with Clint Eastwood.

All right. Clint Eastwood. Surprising, Greg.

Yeah. Greg, you're full of surprises tonight.

Thank you. Yeah. Clint Eastwood is moving on.

So those complaining about bias. Maybe not so

much. Absolutely no one has complained about

bias so far. My head has been complaining about

bias. You should get that checked out, Dan. That's

what they keep telling me, all those voices.

Next up, we talked about 300 last week. So, well,

the remit or the cycle or sequel to 300. And

this man was a big part of the first one and

a big reason why he got a sequel. And that is

Leonidas from 300 going up against Bear Grylls

from Man vs. Wild. Greg, you ended last round,

so we'll start with you here. Who is a bigger

badass, Bear Grylls or Leonidas? So the fact

that Bear Grylls is an actual living person kind

of amps up his badassness of accomplishments.

He goes out there and shows people how to survive

out in the wild. That's pretty badass. He eats

gross things, just... he doesn't have to he's

just demonstrating it for people oh yeah this

is fine he that's just mind -blowing and badass

and disgusting at the same time and then you've

got Leonidas who's fighting for his people he's

set off kind of against the odds and but he's

smart enough which is badass and brave enough

which is badass to to go for it and do all he

can to save his people. I think I'm going to

go with Leonidas. Huh? One for Leonidas? It sounded

like you weren't expecting me to go that way

either. I don't know. I didn't know where you

were going to go with that one. I thought you

were leaning towards Bear, but then you slept

Leonidas in there. Chuck, who are you going with?

That's for the ending. Or Leonidas. Well, I got

to agree. There are some really great badass

things about Leonidas. He had a lot of great,

even like one -liners in the 300 movie. You know,

Tonight We Dine in Hell, This is Sparta, stuff

like that. Just a very charismatic leader, was

able to motivate his army a great deal, even

though it was pretty small. I think Bear Grylls,

he is very badass. He was in the British Special

Forces. I think the thing that takes it down

a notch for him, to me, is that... He's gotten

some criticism from his fellow survivor people

in that community. I think Les Stroud, who was

in Survivorman, has been one of his big critics.

I think when you're kind of reviewed that way

by your peers, it maybe now takes a little bit

of that badass away. So I think I'm going to

go with Lee Nidus on this one. I'm not going

to make it a clean sweep. I am going to go with

Bear Grylls. And even if he is getting slack

from other people and you know reality tv survivor

shows you got to give him credit the fact he

was in the british special forces he did climb

mount everest so those feats in themselves do

kind of make him to a badass and no one can do

naked push -ups like bear grills i think the

fact that he goes against all those people that

are criticizing makes it a little bit more badass

yeah so i'm voting for bear grills in a losing

effort but still so leonitis is moving on finally

a victory for leonitis So Alright next up we

have John McLean die -hard himself and going

up against I guess a United States ambassador

and Dennis Ronman I Ended last round. I'll start

here Dennis Ronman. Yeah, that guy is a character.

No doubt even on the bat, but on the basketball

court He was a pretty big badass He was part

of what three championships and in Chicago. He

was a big he it was a rebounding champion the

guy Was also a professional wrestler He went

to North Korea somehow and the dude is an enigma

to say the least But he's going against John

McClain. I don't really think I need to say more

than that So I'm going with John McClain Chuck

who you going with even though I am a pretty

big Bulls fan and I know Dennis Rodden was on

a lot of teams, but he He had a great run there

with the Bulls for a while, winning a few championships,

and like you say, he was pretty big badass on

the floor, having a different hair color every

night, just kind of being the spiritual leader

of that team, getting everybody psyched up, getting

the crowd psyched up, you know, even kicking

the cameraman in the nuts. Kind of questionable,

but kind of badass. I do think I will side with

John McClain here, just even in the first...

die -hard movie just some of the stunts he was

pulling for one man to take on that whole that

whole crew of uh I think it was Hans Gruber was

his name right you know just like swinging through

the window just how he was talking to him on

the radio and stuff it just sticks out in my

mind more as a badass type of person Greg you

going Yippee -ki -yay you motherfucker or are

you going with Dennis Rodman? Since he's gonna

win anyway, I'm going with John McClain. I don't

like Dennis Rodman. That's my only really big

part of Well, I do like John McClain and I do

think he's more badass But I'm gonna reveal my

reason of doing is I just don't like Dennis Rodman

Fair enough. All right moving along This one.

This is the character. I think has a good shot

to go far a huge fan favorite if you go to any

comic -con You know you're gonna see someone

dressed up as this character, and that is Han

Solo. Going up against someone, I don't think

you would see someone dressed up as this person

on purpose at Comic -Con, though I'm sure a lot

of people look like him. And that is Tiny Tim

for those unaware. He sang that awfully creepy

song, Tiptoes, Through the Window, which you've

probably heard in some horror movies. Greg, since

you seem to love that song, why don't you start

us off here. Who was the bigger badass? Han Solo

or Tiny Tim? The fact that Tiny Tim is just getting

out there and just laying his heart and soul

into that song where he does not sound good and

probably billions of people have made fun of

him over time makes him pretty freaking badass.

He's like... the hardcore picked on nerd from

high school. And he got up there and he became

famous. Everybody is kind of like ragging on

him, but he's still around. I'm not sure if he's

still around, living or not. I think he had a

heart attack on stage and he died actually. Well

that makes him even more badass, look at that.

But the fact he did that, he's kind of like the

ultimate nerd that got picked on and he survived

all that and went out there and did as well as

he did. That makes him pretty badass. Then we

have Han Solo, who is beloved in the nerd community.

He's like the other aspect of that. He's kind

of like the loner guy. I wouldn't call him a

jock, but he's the cool loner guy and he got

frozen in carbonite. He's out there fighting

a war. He's got a big freaking monster furry

friend. He's got his badass vehicle. I do like

Tiny Tim, but I'm gonna go for Han Solo. Chuck,

what say you? You go in Tiny Tim, you go in Han

Solo. Well, coming into this, Tiny Tim wasn't

someone that I was really familiar with, so I

did watch a couple of YouTube videos, one of

which was the tiptoeing through the tulip song.

It's so creepy, right? It was very creepy. And

the first thing I thought of like was, wow, he

does an awesome Judy Garland impression. I kind

of got the idea that he was picked on a lot,

too, because people were saying that in the comments

and stuff. And I do feel bad for him because

of that, because he had he honestly had an amazing

voice because I watched some other videos where

he he would do a deeper voice and he could change

between voices really, really well. I think he

had like a mastery over his vocal cords that

few people actually do. So I do have a lot of

respect for him there. It sounds like you're

breaking up with him. Letting him down easy.

I will have to I think go with Han Solo on this

one. He's just a very charismatic guy. He's got

seems like he always has a plan, you know, in

mind and What can you say? He just knows some

maneuvers when he's flying that Falcon. I mean,

I gotta make it a sweep here. I mean, all due

respect to Tiny Tim, Han Solo drives a spaceship

called the Millennium Falcon. I mean, can't get

more badass than that. So, Han Solo is moving

on. He's moving. Whistly Lazy to the left. Yes,

he does. He does know those maneuvers. Next up,

we have Daryl Dixon. From Walking Dead going

up against Hellboy. This is a little bit of a

tough matchup. Greg, I think I'm going to start

with you here because I know you're a big Hellboy

fan. I think it's biggest out of all of us. And

although I do know you watch Walking Dead. Even

though I'm a little behind on it. You're a little

behind, but unlike Kim Kardashian, you're a little

behind. That was a stretch. Anyways, so who are

you going with? Are you going with Daryl Dixon

or are you going with Hellboy? Daryl Dixon is,

if you ask me, is just kind of a more badass

motorcycle madman. But the thing with that is,

they piss me off that the people on motorcycles,

they're really loud ones, because I'm kind of

on a main stretch of road here. The motorcycles

will constantly go by in the summer, and they're

extremely loud. For that reason, I'm going to

go against them, but I would like to give my

reasons for Hellboy. Hellboy, Darryl Dixon may

live in a world that seems Hell -like, but Hellboy

is actually in Hell in his current ongoing series.

He's got a stone hand. That's pretty freaking

badass. He's got horns. that he breaks off, he'll

trim down. That's pretty badass. He's fighting

some of the most evil and vile creatures from

different fairy tales. Like even he's going up

against Tooth Fairy, which sounds very innocuous

and very sweet, but those are crazy motherfuckers

and he kicks ass against them. You can light

the man on fire and he will survive. he's resistant

to fire and he's even plucked out his own eye

gotten his own eye plucked out of him and he

has to save the world and he has um died on film

and and come back from that with a little help

from his friends so i i think all that leads

to hellboy being pretty badass plus his name

is hellboy hellboy that is a freaking badass

name You do make a lot of good points there and

I do like Hellboy I mean the fact that Hellboy

was made into the movie and like Ron Perlman

was born to play that role I think his face is

just molded for that character Well, actually

I'm reading the del Toro book and they kind of

did a lot of stuff to kind of bring them together

Make them an amalgamage. It's it's it's not just

him looking like Hellboy There was a lot of work

to get like in between kind of Yeah, yeah, I

could I completely understand that and I mean

how boy with the cigar the look he does look

like a gigantic badass And he pretty backs it

up for sure But Darryl Dixon Darryl Dixon became

a badass slowly and surely yeah, I could see

where you're saying he does kind of seem like

a Got redneck biker, but he molds until so much

more He makes rednecks into something actually

interesting and not just racist he becomes like

a full flesh character in Walking Dead. He becomes

almost like a Wolverine type in a way, where

he's always kind of protecting the more innocent.

He's the one that becomes almost the heart and

soul. He's that rough around the edges, but deep

down he has... It sounds like you're describing

Hellboy here as well, Dan. I know, but does Hellboy

have a crossbow? He doesn't need one. I know,

but there's something badass about a crossbow.

I don't know what. He's got a stone fist. I know,

but it's a crossbow. It's a crossbow. Hellboy

has huge ass guns. And Dale Dixon gave Norman

Reedus a career again. The guy, I mean, that

I never thought would happen. I think Hellboy

is amazing. I think Hellboy is great. But when

Walking Dead has had his stumbles, when Walking

Dead has had his issues, like the one character

Even more so than Rick even more so than Michonne

at times one character that has made it watchable

and has made almost every action scene better

has been Has been Darryl Dixon and I give a very

very very slight edge To Dixon. So we got one

boy Dixon. We got one vote hellboy Chuck where

you going? Well, this is a tough one. I really

didn't know which way to go on this one I kind

of enjoyed sitting back and listening to your

guys opinion on this. Well, I think I think Daryl

Dixon may be the more interesting character.

I kind of like Greg's arguments for Hellboy as

far as being the bigger badass. I haven't read

much of that or seen much of it. I did see the

first movie. By the way, the second one's much

better. Is it? Yeah, I do agree with that. I

may have to check that out, actually. If you

want it, it's here. I still owe you a different

movie that I meant to lunch you, but I haven't

yet. but yeah i think i think i will choose hellboy

in this particular matchup and chuck is full

of surprises i did not see that come i actually

had daryl dixon written in already got to fix

that count your chickens before they hit i did

i did uh man i was like a patriot's fan all right

moving on to the next matchup of all the first

round matchups i think this to me personally

is the toughest one so far it hits me in all

the right places and that is Jason Bourne going

up against Robert De Niro Chuck you ended last

round so we'll start with you here who are you

going with Bourne or De Niro this is not fair

you're making me go first I agree this is probably

the toughest one in this first round here oh

gosh De Niro is a great actor he he pretty much

every role he's in he plays a badass which kind

of begs the question is he really a badass in

real life since he does such a great job in all

those roles but then you have the Jason Bourne

character which in all of the movies that he

appeared in like I mentioned before kind of like

a Jack Bauer character to me maybe maybe that's

a false statement since I haven't watched too

much uh Jack Bauer but just some really badass

like fighting moves and The things that he planned

out boy, this this is awfully tough You know

what? I think I will go De Niro on this one.

All right, we got one vote De Niro Greg who you

going with? I don't know who to vote for on this

one. I Don't even think I don't even think I

can make it really good a good argument for either

of them really The thing that kind of detracts

me from De Niro a little bit is that one movie

that he made forget the name of it where he's

He has three kids They're all he's he's an older

gentleman at this point when he made this film

and he had the three older clothes it Everybody's

fine. Yeah that one that one kind of kills my

badassness level for him because that movie just

was so depressing and sad it I seriously wish

he didn't make that movie and I no offense because

I saw it with you guys but I wish I didn't go

see that because that was that was so depressing

I don't think I've seen enough of the Bourne

series to to really make a decision towards Jason

Bourne I'm gonna have to go with De Niro and

I'm gonna have to claim you know what I'm gonna

go with Gonna go with Jason Bourne, so this way

somebody that actually does know something about

this stuff can actually make the decision. So

I'm gonna leave it up for Dan, so I'm gonna go

with Jason Bourne. Fair enough, fair enough.

Jason Bourne or Robert De Niro. Wow, Goodfellas

is one of my favorite films, but Bourne Ultima

might be my all -time favorite action movie.

We're thinking about badass here. Jason Bourne,

he's a fighting machine, the guy... Yeah, I talked

about when you know certain characters making

weapons out of anything I mean he fights a guy

with a freaking pen and Jason Bourne made mad

daemon into a badass before that No one would

have thanked mad daemon could be a badass but

since then because of that character he has become

one He's got all the physical skills. He's intelligent.

He's got all those factors, but Robert De Niro

the dude has acting chops like Better than anyone

probably of his time We talked about badass as

like a taxi driver in Goodfellas. With Clint

Eastwood, he defined badass like westerns. De

Niro defined badass for mob movies. How many

mob movies have you seen and you see characters

trying to be Robert De Niro? And he was enraging

Bull, too. The guy could do it all. But the question

is, who's the bigger badass? Man, I don't know.

Greg, why couldn't you choose for me? Wow. Man,

this is tough. But when I'm thinking badass,

as much as it surprises me, I'm surprising myself

tonight. I thought I'd go with Bourne, but the

more I think about it, the more I think De Niro

is a bigger badass. The guy's career is going.

You think he's done, you think he's over with,

just like Jake LaMotta and Raging Bull. Then

he comes up and gets another Oscar nomination,

and then he's redefining his career again. So

you never count him out. And in real life, actually

talked about maybe he's a real badass in real

life. In real life, he's very timid, very reserved

guy, but you put him in a role and he goes crazy.

If he asked me who am I more scared of, I probably

would be De Niro because you never know what

to expect. So with the slightest of slightest

edge, Robert De Niro is moving on to the next

round. I'm kind of ashamed of myself, but...

What are you gonna do? You're gonna be eating

Ben and Jerry's later, just crying into the Ben

and Jerry's. As I watch Bourn ultimatum. Why?

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I still love you. My wife

will be like, what are you doing? Just listen,

just listen. I'm just eating Cherry Garcia. Oh,

Cherry Garcia. Next up on the bracket we have...

This will be interesting if this character goes...

To the finals because it would be it would be

a fun final and that is dark side kind of the

dc thanos Which may be the oddest of all ball

matchups of this entire tournament so far going

up against Adrian peterson the running back for

the for the minnesota viking. Did you put them

together? Because they're both balls No, it was

just it was just done by random wow dark side

or adrian peterson that is that is tough But

honestly, I think I'm going adrian peterson for

one if darkside had that same injury that adrian

peterson did when he tore his mcl He's not coming

back to run for 2 000 yards like adrian peterson

did and that guy is a beast that guy like almost

singly handily Brought his team into the playoffs.

He you know is a running back is that team? He

is that team. He's a running back in the age

of the quarterback He's been the best fantasy

player for how many years now? He's a beast.

He's one of the most reliable players, even when

he goes out with one of the most heinous injuries

I've seen and he comes back even stronger. That's

insane. Darkseid, yeah, he's a badass in the

comic book and he is the ultimate of ultimate

villains in DC. But I think Adrian Peterson would

take him. I'm just saying. So I'm going Peterson.

Chuck, what say you? Who are you going with?

You know what? I think I'm going to shock everyone

again and I'm going to go Adrian Peterson. Wow.

Yeah. I think the fact that Adrian Peterson,

like Dan said, he came back from that injury

which was grotesque. Where did you see the pictures

of this? I haven't seen pictures of where it's

grotesque. just what how it happened like his

knee just bent backwards in a way that a human

leg is not supposed to bend but um to be able

to come back stronger and run for 2 000 yards

that's like super human and i think the fact

that he is an actual real person that exists

and he pulled that off i think that kind of trumps

the fictional accomplishments of dark side so

i'm gonna go peterson Greg onto you going to

the Vikings fan. Are you going to shock us and

guard our dark side? Are you going to go with

Adrian Peterson? This is going on all day, Dan.

All day with AP. All right. Adrian Peterson wins

in a clean sweep. I think he is the first sports

person that's won so far. I don't think Darkseid

could tackle him. If he even touches them, AP's

just powering right through. He could juke out

his way out of those unibeams, I'm sure. I was

just gonna say that too. I don't even think unibeams

could catch him. Those calves on Adrian Peterson,

man. Yeah, yeah. Going on to the next round.

It's actually not getting that much easier. Well,

I know for one person this is gonna be an easy

decision, and that is Blade. Wesley Snipes the

character that kind of really brought in comic

book movies in the late 90s going up against

I guess another sports person in a way and that

is Stone Cold Steve Austin Chuck I'm gonna start

with you here because I know you're a huge Blade

fan, but who you going with Blade or Stone Cold?

Whoo, it's hard to go against Stone Cold. He's

definitely badass guy one of the most badass

wrestlers Probably put him right up there with

The Rock and Hulk Hogan and some of those classic

wrestlers But honestly, how can I go against

blade one of my favorite characters just his

whole Trilogy of movies just personifies badass

that the way that snipes played it particularly

to I think maybe Maybe if someone else had played

it, maybe I would be picking blade, but really

really pleased with the way snipes portrayed

blade It's just he's always a guy that's in control

Even when the odds are stacked against them,

so I'm going blade. All right, we got one vote

blade Greg, where you going? I just want to throw

a little fun fact out there from the del Toro

book that I'm reading Del Toro made blade to

just so he can make hellboy I thought that was

an interesting little fact Del Toro also liked

one of Chuck's favorite lines from the blade

franchises of why all these motherfuckers. We

got a ice skate uphill There's something to that

effect. Yeah, classic. Stone Cold Steve Austin

is kind of your hillbilly wrestler type with

his skulls, rattlesnakes, beer all over the place.

Doesn't drink the right beer though, that kind

of takes away points on him. And I believe at

one point he was like, wasn't he playing some

kind of, he had like... Blonde hair and it was

like fashion model type of wrestler type of dude

Yeah, I used to be like I can it was like the

blond Hollywood or something like that. So that

kind of takes away points Yeah from Stone Cold

a little bit. I just got to go with with blade.

He's half man half vampire He's got he's got

the powers of vampire, which is pretty badass

and he's not the sparkling kind He's got awesome

weapons He's got none of the weaknesses of an

actual vampire, so I gotta go with Blade. Alright,

so we got two votes for Blade, and I'm not gonna

make it a clean sweep. I'm actually gonna vote

for Stone Cold. Blade badass, no doubt, but Stone

Cold Steve Austin did what so many in the world

dream of, and he became famous by beating the

crap out of his boss. So... Yes, yes, you know

that wrestler himself had some lesser than less

than stellar gimmicks and but Stone Cold he Steve

Austin kind of Became popular on his own like

no one it wasn't Vince McMahon lifting him up

it was him kind of taking it for himself and

changing wrestling forever like with the attitude

era and I was really big in the wrestling for

a great deal and during that period in the money

net roar and he he changed wrestling into something

completely different, something that was more

realistic, I guess, for wrestling in a way. But

yeah, Stone Cold, no doubt, the Rattlesnake.

He deserves, I think, at least a vote. So, Blade's

moving on, but Stone Cold is not being left behind.

Moving on to the next round, and this is another

one where I'm gonna have to fight for my guy,

though it's gonna be hard. The first one, though,

is one, I think, if you don't know who this is,

I don't know what to do with you, but that is

John Wayne. held him himself going up against

Heisenberg from Breaking Bad Walter White himself

and John Wayne is a legend made more movies than

I think anyone else in history, but Heisenberg

Heisenberg made Tidy Whitey's badass Heisenberg

was a teacher that took over a drug ring in New

Mexico He's got head to head with drug cartels

in Mexico and come out on top. He's gone against

the DEA. He's done pretty much all you could

do all while being a teacher. Or you can just

be, you know, just using his intelligence and

cooking a math into something no one has seen

before. Heisenberg is that anti -hero. He is

the next generation's anti -hero. And I gotta

go, I gotta go with Heisenberg. John Wayne, he's

a legend. He will go down as one of the biggest

and best movie stars of all time. But when it

comes to levels of badass -dom, my vote goes

with Walter White. I know you guys have not seen

Breaking Bad, so I have an idea where this is

going, but who knows? Maybe, you know, the surprises

will continue. Chuck, we'll go on to you next.

Who are you voting with? Heisenberg or John Wayne?

Well I haven't seen much of Heisenberg like you

mentioned. From what I have seen like in the

previews and stuff and like the stuff you just

talked about, it does sound like he's a really

badass character for being kind of just a regular

guy. I think he was a teacher at some point,

right? Yep, he started off as a science teacher.

Yeah, which is pretty incredible when you think

about it. Honestly though, John Wayne for me

is just one of those guys that I really see as

part of that definition of badass. I think I

looked up at some point he was He would start

in like 172 movies or something crazy like that.

I think he for the longest time was just just

that tough guy that everyone wanted to emulate

and You make a good argument Dan, but I think

I'll have to go Go with my guy John Wayne here.

No worries. I can't I can't blame you. So we

got one vote Heisenberg one vote John Wayne Greg

You're again the deciding factor I was more of

the deciding factor last week. I really do enjoy

your arguments, Dan. And John Wayne does have

a couple of dents against himself. His actual

name is kind of girly. I forget exactly what

his real name is supposed to be. Marion Morrissey.

Thank you, Chuck. I knew you would know that.

But one of the interesting things about John

Wayne is he actually got another badass western

star in there and that would be he got the role

of Marshall Matt Dillon going. He actually recommended

the man for that job and that TV show has gone

on to be one of the longest running TV shows

in history. And that's a gun smoke and and for

that and I kind of just convinced myself to go

I wasn't gonna vote Heisenberg, but then I just

convinced my own self I'm gonna go for John Wayne

Apparently like you like your own arguments as

well. So John Wayne is moving on can't blame

you It's hard to beat John Wayne. The guy is

is a legend. So All right next up this this again

on physical stature Kind of a mismatch, but again,

this is levels of bad -ass -dom. This is not

who wins in a fight. So it's really anyone's

game. Starting off, we have Hick Girl from Kick

-Ass going up against Megatron. I don't know

if that was robotic enough or whatnot, but...

Just add a son of a gun later. Prime! So who

is the bigger badass Hick Girl Megatron? I'm

going to start with this one. And like I said,

this is bigger badasses and not who wins in a

fight and I think kick hit girl is a bigger badass

for one Megatron goes against optimus prime and

optimus primes greatest Superpower is dying.

The guy is just great at getting killed Hicker

on the other hand she takes out the mob. He takes

up people that are four or five times bigger

than her. She lets her dad Shoot her in the chest

and gets up just to see how it feels. I mean

this girl is barely a teenager not even a teenager

and she's already a badass so and if you look

at the though, I think Transformers fans will

hate me for quoting looking at the movies But

if you look at the movies Megatron gets tricked

by whoever the Meg Megan Fox stand -in was in

the third film Some, you know, blonde swimsuit

model tricks Megatron. I don't even want to go

with kick -ass. Sorry, not kick -ass. Hick girl

is the bigger badass. Chuck, what say you? Who

do you think is the bigger badass? Well, I think,

like you said, when you look at physical stature,

you're like, oh, this is a no -brainer, you know,

Megatron. He's huge, he's badass, he's a really

bad, evil guy. I think when you look deeper...

I think Hit Girl is definitely more badass, just

the stuff that she pulled off in the Kick -Ass

movie. And I don't believe that I've seen the

second one. I'm not sure if it's better than

the first or... It's not. About the same or...

I think I was really impressed with Hit Girl

and it was kind of like a young female version

of Batman, something like that. I don't know.

I thought she was really badass in that. So I'm

going to go with that. Greg, you're making it

like... clean sweep or are you going with Megatron?

I'm going to make it a clean sweep and not really

say much more so I won't sound like an idiot.

Alright, moving on to the next round. Not the

next round, this is the last matchup for the

first round on this side of the bracket and we're

talking about biggest badasses. I know some people

are like, wait, you gotta have him on that, right?

You have to have that guy. You have to have him

and he is the internet's biggest badass. And

that is Chuck Norris. Going up against, this

might be the most interesting matchup of the

side and of course he is fighting the most interesting

man in the world. So who is the bigger badass?

Greg, you ended last round so we'll begin with

you here. Who are you voting with? I thought

you were going with a different internet sensation.

I thought you were going with the... overly attentive

girlfriend or whatever her name is. But Chuck

Norris is pretty freaking badass. He was instructed

by Bruce Lee who is pretty badass. I believe

he was on the other side of the bracket if I

remember correctly. Yes. I don't think Bruce

Lee made it very far, did he? He lost in the

first round. Oh, did he? I was trying to scoot

over there with my computers being an ass. So

he's got that going for him. He's got all these

freaking awesome little things of... When he

does push ups he doesn't push himself up he pushes

the world down so he's got all those cool things

going on for him but then the other guy has all

these really things about him he speaks french

with a russian accent. That might be a bad idea

for him at this point but. But he's he's got

a bunch of interesting things going on that way

but i think. Chuck Norris has more clever sayings,

and even, may I say it, more interesting anecdotes

about him. Alright, we got one vote for Chuck

Norris. Chuck, you going with Chuck, or you going

with the most interesting man? Whose name is

also Chuck. Listen, you got a guy named Chuck,

that pretty much speaks for itself. That is very,

very badass, I must say. I feel like... I don't

know. Maybe I'm wrong on this. Maybe you guys

will disagree with me. But I feel like the most

interesting man in the world is kind of a wannabe

Chuck Norris. They come up with all these clever

funny sayings. And I feel like they're trying

to match Chuck Norris and what he has accomplished

in his career. And I just think Chuck Norris

was more the original badass, like more so than

the most interesting man in the world. Even back

into some of his action movies and stuff in the

80s. So gotta go with gotta go with my guy Chuck

here who shares the same name as me And I'm gonna

get a clean sweep and I actually was gonna comment

on that as well where I think the most interesting

man in the world Yeah, he has his sayings, but

he does seem like he is trying to steal Chuck

Norris's thunder Which I'm pretty sure that painting

is being made as we speak of him trying to But

You know, Chuck Norris, even without the sayings,

without like the internet craze, he is a big

badass in real life, like you said. He made Lowenwolf

McQuaid. I mean, come on, in Delta Force. Anyways,

that might be strikes against him, but Chuck

Norris is moving on. So we're back up top to

the top of the bracket. And I got to fight for

my guy again, though I don't know if I want to.

This is tough because we have Wolverine going

against Jack Bauer. This is really hard Wolverine,

you know adamantium skeleton handling factor

That is the guy's claws. I mean the maybe the

biggest badass Mutant power in the world is his

claws. It's just something about it It's something

like intimate about him like tearing people apart

with those claws And he was a badass on the Saturday

morning cartoon show and he smoked so I guess

that makes him a badass I don't know but Jack

Bauer I think Jack Bauer is Wolverine without

superpowers. His body can almost withstand just

as much torture as Wolverine. Like I said, he

does not quit. He saves the world. He was abducted

by China. Torture comes back and then has to

try to, in 24 hours, stop a nuclear explosion

from happening. I mean... That to me is incredible.

He's taken on all enemy shapes and sizes. And

like I said, he's willing to break the rules,

though Wolverine is too, and Wolverine is a samurai.

And oh man, this is tough. But I'm gonna give

it to Jack Bauer just because, like I said, I

think he is Wolverine without superpowers, so

that just gives him a slight edge in my book.

Greg, what say you? You go in Wolverine, you

go in Bauer. I think I have to go Wolverine or

I'm gonna lose my membership card. I like all

that you said, Dan, but I just think the... Yeah,

Jack Bauer is like Wolverine without the superpowers,

but Wolverine is also going up against other

superpowers and superpowered people and superpowered

people that probably have more power and have

more in advantage, but Wolvie still comes out

on top. Smoking a cigar. He's out in the one

of the coolest things. It's I'm not sure if it

really ups his badassness or not, but uh because

it from your argument of Jack Bowers is has no

powers and Wolverine does but uh Wolverine has

fought a bear in the cold and won I just think

that's a pretty freaking sweet scenario I gotta

go Wolverine. Alright, we got one vote Wolverine,

one vote Bauer. Chocky, I guess you've really

been the deciding factor for most of tonight,

so who you going with? Ugh, another tough one

here. We're really making some convincing arguments

there, Dan. I know I haven't watched 24 at all,

but you're really making me want to check out

Jack Bauer even more, because it sounded pretty

cool. I think I'm gonna have to go Wolverine,

though. And I'm going to use the argument that

the guy takes on hordes of sentinels by himself.

And also doesn't hesitate to attack Magneto even

though he's someone that controls the very metal

in his own skeleton. Wolverine is not afraid

of him at all. He still will run at him every

time and try to attack him. Tactical or not,

it's pretty badass in my opinion. So, going with

Wolverine. Alright, and Wolverine is moving on.

Next up, we have Frank Martin from The Transporter

going up against Dr. Doom. And Chuck, you ended

last round, so let's start with you here. Who

are you going with? Oof. Boy. These are not getting

any easier on us, are they? No. Some jerk made

all these brackets up. I think actually three

jerks did. I don't know. They should be banned

from the internet. I think somebody can actually

do that now. I think it's the NSA. And welcome

to the NSA for listening I'm sure they are Or

the FCC won't let us be boy This this is tough.

I'm a I'm a big Frank Martin fan as I said last

round I'm big fan of all three of the transporter

movies some of my favorite action movies, but

dr. Doom like how do you go against dr. Doom?

I mean the Just creating the suit of armor that

Honestly, on several occasions, he has outdone

Tony Stark. That's pretty badass in and of itself.

Creating the Doom bots, nobody ever knows if

it's the real Doom or not, until kind of after

the fact. So, I think I have to go with Dr. Doom

on this one. Alright. Greg, who you going with?

I'm gonna have to go Doom. I love Frank Martin,

well not love love, like that kind of way, but

um. And some robe. Yeah. Frank, he is awesome.

He's got his toys, but so does Doom. Doom has

a time device. He could go throughout time. He

faces down gods. Frank Martin just faces down

douchebags. They're at different levels, if you

ask me. I think Doom's at a little higher pedestal

there, so I'm going to go Dr. Doom. All right,

and do is moving on but I am gonna give a vote

to Frank Martin just because he beats up a group

of people with nothing more than a hose and He

fights a bunch of people covered in oil and kicks

the crap out of them using pedals from a bike

so That alone to me makes him into a pretty big

badass in those just for those action scenes,

but Nevertheless, dr. Doom is moving on to the

next round. Next up, we have the Hulk going up

against Clint Eastwood. I ended last round so

I'll start here. And again, Hulk powerful. The

dude can smash tiny Clint Eastwood without even

thinking about it. But Clint Eastwood, I think

is the bigger badass. Like I said, his voice

and his command of a situation is bigger than

that. of hulk like hulk if you leave him alone

like nothing nothing will happen he i think deep

down inside i don't think hulk wants to be a

badass i think hulk just wants to be left alone

deep down inside is a bigger badass when you

look at clint eastwood he's a bigger badass he's

like a russian doll of badass them the more you

take them apart the you know you still can have

a badass there so i'm gonna go clint eastwood

chuck where you going i like that analogy by

the way that's pretty clever But let's see, another

tough one. I think I'm going to go with Clint

Eastwood. I think the fact that he's just a real

person showing a whole generation of badassness.

The Hulk is someone that kind of basically like

loses his mind when he gets consumed by his rage

and just kind of basically goes on a rampage

just driven by anger. really doesn't have any

control over it, so to speak. I think Clint Eastwood

has that confidence, that calm demeanor where

he always feels like he's in control. So I'm

going to go with Clint Eastwood. All right, Greg,

you making a clean sweep or are you going with

the Hulk? It's not going to matter, but I'm going

to go with the Hulk. He's my boy and I think

he at least deserves a vote, so. Fair enough.

Clint Eastwood is moving on. Next up, we have

Leonidas going up against John McClane. Greg,

you ended last time, so we'll start with you

here. Who are you going with? It's really tough.

John McClane throws out some of the greatest

lines ever in the face of danger, some of the

funniest crap. He's been in more movies. He's

been used a lot more. Thing for Leonidas though,

he's got this epic battle. John McLean, maybe

slightly less. John McLean is the one -man army,

if you ask me, and he actually does get the job

done. So I'm going to go with John McLean. All

right. One vote for John McLean. Chuck, what

about you? Who you gone with? Yeah, I think I

might have decided with John McLean on this one.

I think, lean, I just deserve some respect in

his own right, but it's hard to quantify. But

for me, it's just sticking out to me more. John

McLean, Just seems like more of a badass to me.

Alright, and I'll make it a clean sweep. I agree,

John McLean is a bigger badass. You know, Lee

Atlantis is a force, the dude is one of the best

warriors of all time, but I think what makes

John McLean a little bit bigger of a badass is

the fact that, unlike Leonidas who is not afraid,

he is afraid, but he recognizes fear, but he

goes in anyways, while Leonidas kind of just

ignores it, stamps it out, and kind of just is

like a machine in a way, so... Because McClane

is more of a Human I guess you'd say I'm gonna

go with John McClane at least in the first few

movies until like the fourth one when he becomes

like a gigantic superhero, but Not that's not

we're standing All right going on to the next

matchup and these are not getting much easier.

We have Han Solo Fighting and not fighting but

going up against Hellboy And this is this is

hard you again Hellboy a demon. It's hard to

get more badass than that. He's got the look

He's got you know, he's got the powers. He's

got The attitude but Han Solo is is a legend

think about the line. I love you I know I mean

that to me is just one of the most badass lines

in movie history The guy is that when people

think about the anti -hero, Han Solo is often

on the top of that list. So I gotta go Han Solo.

Greg, where you going with? Well, Han Solo may

be a legend, but I think Hellboy is biblical.

He is supposedly the son of the devil who is

the ultimate rebel. And so Hellboy is rebelling

against that ultimate rebel. So I think that

speaks volumes. There's just more badassness

to him. Han Solo would get my vote just because

he's this character I love. But Hellboy is a

little bit more gruff, tough than Han Solo, I

think. I don't see Han Solo... ripping his own

eye out. I don't see Han Solo doing quite the

heroic things as Hellboy does. Hellboy just goes

in hell or high water, no pun intended, and just

does what he has to do no matter what the outcome.

Plus Hellboy has his friends are pretty freaking

badass he's got. a girl that is pretty much pyro,

she's light on fire, she's got a fish for a friend,

and he's got a homunculus, a giant stone monster

who, really, his only clothing is this giant

doorknob that kind of goes over his junk. I just

think there's more badass things going on with

Hellboy. I don't think Han Solo is quite as badass,

really. He's cool. I think the coolness factor

Han Solo may edge out Hellboy, but I think Hellboy

is more badass. Chuck, you are again tonight's

deciding factor. Han Solo or Hellboy? Reoccurring

theme here. You make some good points, Greg.

I knew he wasn't going to make it past this round.

Knowing you two, he didn't have a chance on this

round. I was surprised you made it past last

round. We can go on to the next one. I'd like

to finish though, please. For some reason, the

thing that sticks out in my mind though, for

Han Solo, he shot Greedo. He shot first. He was

the only one that shot. George Lucas was so intimidated

by Han Solo that he had to go in and edit the

movie so that Greedo shot at the same time. I

think that's pretty badass right there. Maybe

it was controversial that they edited it, but

pretty badass move by Han Solo. that whole scene

there so gonna ride the Han Solo train on to

the next round all right Han Solo is moving on

next up we have Robert De Niro going up against

Adrian Peterson again random matchup but that's

what makes it fun Chuck you ended last round

so I'll start you with you here who is the bigger

badass? oh boy this this is tough too wow I know

you said like De Niro kind of Is a little more

timid in real life Something that effect I know

I haven't seen much of him in real life. I've

pretty much only seen him in his roles I think

for some reason Adrian Peterson is just sticking

out in my mind I think I'm gonna I think I'm

gonna take him and push him into the next round

just for his a superhuman like healing ability

So Adrian Peterson is certainly a beast no doubt

but Robert De Niro, like I said He I think he

has he is timid in real life, but I think that

timidness is is there because He realizes how

big a badass he is in real life. No, he's not

a big guy. He's not huge He's not muscular, but

he has a presence about him. That is Frightening

at times when he wants it to be look at something

like keep fear where he isn't a complete maniac

or in taxi driver And yeah, those are roles,

but he's the one making that role what it is

So I think that that ability to be such a frightening

force when you're just kind of your average looking

person. I'm going to give it I'm going to give

it to the Nero slightly, but I think it might

be in the losing effort. Greg, who are you going

with? They're both real life people. And I think

acting is cool. He's played some badass characters.

But I think Adrian Peterson is actually badass

for coming back from such an injury, being able

to do all that he can in the NFL when quarterbacks

are more valued at this point and kind of proving

that stigma wrong a little bit, that running

backs are an essential part of football in this

day and age. I think that's... pretty badass.

Plus I did hear that Robert De Niro is kind of

timid in real life and I've kind of seen that

from different clips where he's gotten interviewed

and stuff and I believe on Nerdist they have

an interview with Billy Crystal and Billy Crystal

kind of talks about his experience with Robert

De Niro when they were kind of doing an interview

together and Billy, if you'll analyze this. And

Billy Crystal's like, yeah, he doesn't want to

talk at all. So I'm going to go with Adrian Peterson.

Not because I love Adrian Peterson, but I think

the facts there just kind of make him the guy

that needs to move on. And Adrian Peterson is

moving on. Greg, your boy's doing pretty good

here. Think about it. Think about who he took

down already, De Niro and Darkseid. Darkseid

was the more impressive one, I think, to be quite

honest. I agree. All right, moving on to the

next round. And I guess this is more of Chuck's

boy with Blade going up against John Wayne. Greg,

you ended the last round, so we'll start with

you here. Who is your badass, Blade or John Wayne?

I don't really see anything in... John Wayne's

life that has really made him a badass other

than he's betraying a whole bunch of different

bad asses But but once again, he's he's a real

-life person. I don't think he he get as many

Bad things and badass things as blade can in

a fictional world, but the extreme amounts of

badassness of cool tools car His mentor is even

badass. I'm gonna go have to go with blade Right

one vote for blade Chuck who you going with John

Wayne or blade? Who this is tough two of my two

of my favorite characters kind of? Really pure

really guy characters like tough guy characters.

You know what I think I Think I'm gonna surprise

everybody here. I'm gonna go John Wayne damn

it I don't know if I'm throwing everybody for

a loop here probably. One thing about John Wayne

that I seem to remember is I think from my grandfather

telling me it was some sort of difficulty that

he had making all those western movies. I believe

he was allergic to horses or something like that

or he couldn't ride horses, something like that.

Which you think is kind of a staple of a western

movie and he was really able to overcome those

that major obstacle and still do all those great

movies. And also, I just think this could be

way off base, but I kind of get the idea that

the Marlboro Man is like based on John Wayne,

just that tough guy image that people want to

emulate. I feel like it's really based off of

him. That could be totally false. But I'm going

to I'm going to go with John Wayne. And so it's

down to me. One blade, one John Wayne. I am deciding

factor here. And I'm gonna go with John Wayne.

When you look up Rugged, I think it's John Wayne.

During his time, he was the action hero of that

era for such a long period. He is that American

ideal of what it is to be like a hero. He is

just tough, takes no prisoners, evolves to the

wall all the time. He might play similar roles

a great deal, but I think there's a certain attitude

you know i think ever since john wayne the world

has been trying to hollywood has been trying

to make more john wayne so plus i think john

wayne has a little bit more dimension to him

than then blade does but on a slight edge i'm

gonna go with wayne and he's moving on to the

next round so a little bit this bracket is kind

of shaping up a lot different than i expected

going in so that's interesting moving on to the

next matchup We have Hick Girl from Kick -Ass

going up against Chuck Norris. I ended the last

round, so I'll start with this one. I'm gonna

go with Hick Girl. The mouth on her alone, I

think, makes her a bigger badass. Just what she

says, I guess, you know, it's a novelty. It's

a little cursing, but I think it's just so funny,

and I think the performance makes it work. Even

in the comics, it was well done, and we talked

about what was shown last week with a sword.

Hickoryl is just defective with all types of

weapons and again, I think she would take on

Chuck Norris and I think she might get the upper

hand maybe? I mean, obviously Chuck Norris is

a real person, but I'm going Hickoryl even with

all Chuck Norris's internet memes and all that.

I prefer Hickoryl. Chuck, where are you going?

I'm going to ask something here. I'm gonna ask

for Greg to go first because I have no idea where

I'm going on this and I'd like to hear his argument.

Well, I'm gonna make it real easy on you Chuck.

I'm also gonna go for hit girl Chuck Norris has

like a whole bunch of I guess you would call

them memes Memes aren't actual real things. He's

not actually doing all of those things Whereas

his last round where it was kind of like meme

versus meme. That's an easy like Chuck Norris

has more epic memes. He has more badass memes.

So that was the reason he kind of passed that

level. But as an actual just person, he's just

kind of your, well, a little bit above average

guy because he knows all these karate moves and

everything like that. He just kind of plays badass

characters. Is he badass in his actual everyday

life? I really don't think so, especially with

him doing the, what the hell was that, the name

of the gym product that he promoted with Christie

Brinkley, which was totally not badass and infomercial.

So I'm definitely going to have to go with Hit

Girl who's cursing, showing no fear up against

these guys that are just freaking way bigger

than her and she holds her own. So I'm going

to go with Hit Girl. So are we saying the ShamWow

guy is not badass now? Is that? I was unaware.

Infomercials are not badass. So you've heard

Craig's argument, I guess, is that make you go

hair girl? Are you going to just throw a pity

vote to Chuck Norris? I think I am going to go

hit girl, unfortunately. I kind of shamed myself

because he was named after me being Chuck. I

think, honestly, at the end of the day, it comes

down to He has a lot of great accomplishments

as far as his martial arts, things like that.

I look at a show like Walker Texas Ranger, which

was a very interesting show, kind of entertaining,

but I think for some reason it kind of takes

it down a notch, maybe a little corny. I don't

get that corny feeling from Hit Girl to agree

with a lot of Greg's points. I don't think she

really has a corny aspect to her. She's just

pretty badass for for a teenage girl like that.

So Chuck Norris is going home Chuck Norris is

out that that might be the internet has just

broken. So how are we gonna put this podcast

up then? I don't know. I don't know. Maybe the

I don't know maybe the most interesting man in

the world can fix it. He's got nothing else to

do now All right back up to the top of the bracket

and things are getting an easier for us and it

starts off with this first matchup wolverine

Up against doctor doom two comic book characters

going head to head This is this is hard one.

So i'm gonna cheat and I don't know where i'm

going. So chuck i'm gonna ask you Where are you

going? Chuck Norris? Not Chuck Norris. Chuck

Norris has taken over the bracket and he... He's

coming back to haunt us. Who are you going with?

Wolverine or Doctor Doom? I'm going to pass it

back to you, Denton. Four hours later. You can't

do that! Oh, holy freaking crap. This is tough.

You have two of some of the toughest characters

in all of Marvel. No doubt there. Wolverine is

kind of like that John Wayne type guy, like he

strikes me as that. He's just a bad boy. He protects

the innocent, but he's going to kind of do what

he wants. He's not really going to be pushed

around by anybody. But I remember Greg making

a good point in an earlier round about Dr. Doom

kind of mastering magic as well as being a very

accomplished scientist in himself. But I'm kind

of... Kind of a shame to go against Wolverine

here, but that's the only argument coming to

mind right now, so I think I'm gonna go with

Dr. Doom. Alright, one vote Doom. Greg, you going

with your boy, or are you going with Dr. Doom?

I'm gonna go for Wolverine just because he had

metal sucked out of the pores out of his body.

That's pretty freaking nice. Oh yeah. And he

survived that. Don't know I don't remember how

he did it, but he made it through He's gone completely

To just a feral beast and come back from that.

That's pretty freaking badass. He lives out with

wolves and shit Dr. Dooms up in his hoity -toity

castle just chillin has the servants bring out

his shit or a doombot You know what I mean? Dr.

Dooms got more toys and stuff, but I think Wolverine's

a little bit rough and gruff and tough all those

nice ending in F's. So we get one Wolverine,

one Doctor Doom. Actually, I don't know if I'm

allowed to do this, but I think you guys did

it last episode. I think I'm going to change

my vote to Wolverine, I think. I just feel so

wrong about it, but Greg was bringing up some

good points there, and I remembered Wolverine

being completely burnt to a crisp where he was

he had like one like cell left on his body and

he completely healed from that there was a cool

that is sorry chuck go ahead i was just gonna

say that is so freaking badass like to be just

a skeleton and then just regenerate from that

i'm i'm changing wolverine there's a cool scene

in um the the start of uh civil war where humberto

ramos draws it in the wolverine comic that he

that he does that that he does that and he was

just a giant silver skeleton and that was so

freaking cool. And the way Humberto Ramos drew

that I thought was pretty freaking sick and that's

how I got into Humberto Ramos and I have a drawing

of Wolverine on my wall just because of that

whole thing. It was just awesome. Let me see

if I can get you to vote the other way now, Chuck.

What am I, Florida? And the reason I'm going

with Dr. Doom Yeah, Wolverine, he's got, when

it comes to like a matchup like this, two guys

who have great resumes, let's look at the negatives.

Wolverine has a little bit of a mental instability.

Because of his past, because of things that happened

to him. Dr. Doom doesn't really have a weakness,

really, mostly his arrogance. You don't think

Dr. Doom's fucked up in the head? I think he

has mommy issues. Well, true, he does have mommy

issues. Dr. Doom outsmarted Galactus. He stole

Silver Surfer's powers. I mean, those are people

who are far and away more powerful than he is,

but there's something badass about a guy who,

it's like, you know, you might be the smallest

person on the playground, but you go up to the

biggest, it's like a kindergartener going up

to a senior in high school and trying to pick

a fight and then winning. That to me is pretty

badass. Wolverine's great at going and picking

fights with bigger people and then getting the

crap kicked out of them and then like into a

cell and regrowing. But it's like Dr. Doom wins

some of those battles. And again, diplomatic

immunity, so he can barely touch them. He runs

his own country. And even in the comics, the

country he runs is pretty - Wait, wait, wait.

Dipl - Diplomatic immunity means he can just

run away like a little girl, so that doesn't

really make him badass. True, true, but - He

is a dictator of his own country and his country

is actually run Efficiently though, you know,

the whole lack of freedom thing might be an issue

for most people But I don't know something about

Dr. Doom's just willingness to like stare gods

in the face and not blink and go against characters

that eat world and Just his thirst for power

if you honestly had to go up against Dr. Doom

or Wolverine like which one would you be more

frightened like Wolverine might kick the crap

out of you, but He was like Iron Man and Batman

put together. So I think Dr. Doom is a slight

about the little bit more of a badass, but it's

all in vain because Wolverine is moving on. Unless

you change your vote, Chuck. I'm sticking because

I think. I still think Wolverine would try to

stab Galactus with his claws. True, true, true.

He's an even bigger sentinel. Actually, didn't

in Secret Wars, didn't he try to do something

like that? I can't, like, I don't remember. Well,

there's something that he did that I'm saving

for maybe the next round if I need it. I got

a little tidbit in my back pocket, so you guys

might remember that. All right, moving on to

the next matchup. We have Clint Eastwood taking

on John McLean. from Die Hard. Wow. Oof. I don't

know where I want to go with this. And I'll start

with me because I ended last round. And Clint

Eastwood, similar to John Wayne, he's a legend.

Like I said, he has an attitude. There's so many

levels to him. But I guess I go towards those

badasses that have certain flaws, have ability

to lose, like John McClane. Like he's just a

dude in the bad situation. that does the right

thing and, you know, tries to save the day. His

lines are incredible. He changed action movies

forever. Think about how many action movies came

after and try to be John McClane. Speed, Cliffhanger,

I mean, Olympus has fallen last year. We still

have movies trying to steal that John McClane

magic. So, I mean, that's been a pretty badass

feat to completely change a genre. So, with a...

A little bit of an edge, I'm going John McClane.

Chuck, where are you going? This is an awfully

tough one as well. I like your arguments. John

McClane being in the Die Hard movies and them

really living up to their name because they're

kind of dying hard, like they're not going away.

As we talked about in our sequel reboot or destroy

episode. I think I'm going to have to agree with

you. I'm going to give the slight edge to you,

John McLean. Greg, you're making a sweep or are

you going Clint Eastwood? I think I'm going to

make it a clean sweep because I don't want to

give Clint Eastwood a pity vote. I think he's

a little bit above that. So I'm going to just

give John McLean my vote and just kind of move

on. All right. Bow my head in silence. Going

ahead to the next matchup. Han Solo against man

the guy who just won't die in this bracket or

in football Adrian Peterson Greg I'll start with

you on this one who you're going with I'm gonna

go with Adrian Peterson, of course and I'm not

just going because he's my favorite cuz I'm Han

Solo is a favorite of mine too and this isn't

a favorite bracket it's a badass bracket and

You always see Han Solo running around that ship

Well, Adrian Peterson is going to get there about

ten times faster than Han Solo ever would. And

I think Adrian Peterson, if given a chance, could

train up to get really good with the gun. He's

just a powerhouse, and he's a real -life badass,

whereas Han Solo is a fictional badass, which

kind of takes away from Han a little bit. So

I'm going to go with Adrian Peterson. All right.

Chuck? You go on Han, you go on Adrian. Oh, I've

been riding the Adrian Peterson train for a couple

of rounds now. You know what? I like your argument

from last round, Dan. Just that, just that simple

one liner when Leia says I love you and he says,

I know. You know, how bad ass is that? That he

could just say that and Leia doesn't even get

mad at him. She just, you know, he doesn't even

get the evil eye. He just expects that. She's

going to be okay with that and doesn't dispute

it at all. I'm going to go Han Solo. This is

tough. This is what I'm thinking. Han Solo is

one of the most charismatic characters of all

time. The dude is, like I said, he's like the

anti -hero for a new generation. He is so many

people's favorite character. But Adrian Peterson,

I think if Adrian Peterson want to be frozen

in carbonite, you can't freeze that guy. He would

dodge it. I don't think Han Solo could tackle

Adrian Peterson The thing too about Adrian Peterson

that I think makes him a badass is he says he

does he doesn't say yeah Han Solo says I know

Adrian Peterson runs for an ADR touchdown. He

puts all his talking on the field and in action

He's not one of those braggadocious characters

that like, you know, like you're Like a Tara

Owens or something like that though. He could

be he is a team first player and a bad team like

there's so many reasons he could complain and

leave but the fact he's sticking with the Minnesota

Vikings I don't know that's pretty badass to

have that type of loyalty to a team when you're

pretty much everything that team has I got I

gotta go AP and that injury like we bring bringing

up you know Bo Jackson had an injury he was out

you look at so many so many running backs that

could not come back from something like that

but that guy I think you put Han Solo in a and

running back for one play and he's done. He's

gonna quit but uh Though I don't know how great

of adrian peterson would be flying a ship. I

don't know any maneuvers He'll just get outside

of the uh, the millennium falcon and start running

Yeah, I guess who would win an offensive lineman

or a wookie. I am probably wookie, but I don't

know I'm gonna go ap because I just I It's hard.

The guy just is a machine and he is Going on

Adrian Peterson and next match up Another real

-life person well not live I guess but John Wayne

going up against hit girl from kick -ass Wow,

I didn't expect hit girl to go as far as she

has so far. She's beat Megatron. She's beat Chuck

Norris She's done a lot of badass things just

in this tournament Is she bigger badass than

John Wayne though? That I'm not sure of Feel

like if John Wayne was in the movie with her

girl, what would that be? Like I feel it would

be a lot of yelling But then I just feel like

Hickoryl would just slice off the head of John

Wayne and not blink Hickoryl just doesn't back

down to anything and she has You're trying to

find some way to make John Wayne with you're

just going Hickoryl it sounds like that No, yeah

at the end of the day, I think John Wayne is

a legend But if I'm gonna like who is a bigger

badass my my for some reason hit girl jumps in

my head So I'm going hit girl. I can't think

of any other reason for it Really except for

the fact that she slices people. I guess I don't

see slices But I dices but I could be swayed

with a good argument because I'm not really really

really in love with that choice So Chuck, where

you going? Do you have a good argument for John

Wayne? Are you going hit girl? I don't know if

I have a terrific argument for John Wayne, but

I think this is a favorable matchup for him only

because I know his hit girl has a lot of Badass

accomplishments under a belt being as young as

she is But I think we talked about people being

a legend John Wayne is an icon just something

that people have looked up to you for so so long

this the span of his career is so impressive

and I know I talked a lot about the westerns

in the past few rounds, but I'd like to point

out his his war movies and his military movies

and Just kind of conquering those two genres.

I think that kind of takes his badassness to

the next level as well. So sticking with John

Wayne here Greg, where you going? John Wayne

is just an actor to play one of these parts parts

that he has a whole bunch of great acting roles,

but we're not basing it off the character he's

played in those roles, we're basing it off the

man himself. And if John Wayne was an actor,

he would just be like a blue collar, everyday

worker from back in the day. He would be a badass,

average man. I kind of have the thing going in

my head too, where I'm just like, like you Dan,

where it's like, okay. I'm thinking badass. I'm

just thinking Hick girl more than John Wayne

the the gentleman cowboy kind of I gotta go Hick

girl I don't think I have a really great argument

for it, but I just think she is She is more badass

Hick girl Surprising everybody Hick no Hick girl

actually you know what the one thing that's waiting

to be chalk wasn't even you said icon And that's

true. John Wayne is an icon. And I think Hiccaro

is great, but there's a novelty aspect to her.

The more I thought about it, the more I'm like,

yeah, she's great. But there is some sort of

novelty that I don't know how long a character

like Hiccaro would last. And yeah, I do agree.

Yeah, we're looking at the actor, not necessarily

all the roles, but he is that man. John Wayne

is very much those roles that he played. He may

just be a blue collar guy, but I guess that's

kind of what's badass about him in world of like

highfalutin Hollywood types John Wayne reigns

supreme as just your normal everyday kind of

average Joe something about that was just badass

so I'm changing my vote might be fixed I don't

know anyways moving on so we're in the final

four tonight to see who's gonna go up against

Thanos we have Wolverine going up against John

McClane this is this is hard This is a one and

a two Wolverine is probably the biggest badass

in Marvel. I mean he's beaten Dr. J when this

round so far. He's beaten Jack Bauer I mean,

but John McClane, like I said, he is that He

is like the new Action hero for the 90s and the

21st century But Wolverine is that comic book

character for the 90s and the 80s see Characters

change from people like Superman to people like

Wolverine He's been the most popular character

in Marvel along with Spider -Man for so long.

I Don't know who I want to go with Well, let's

look at wardrobe We got John McClane with his

iconic white t -shirt Against Wolverine and his

pretty badass yellow spandex and his mutton chops

Wolverine kind of wears the same clothes with

the wife beater kind of situation True true.

He does change his clothes around a little bit

hmm You have a bald guy going against a guy who

has tons of hair So what's that? What's more

badass? I really don't I really don't know Where

I want to go Just I think I'm gonna go John McLean,

like I said, I just something about the fact

that he's just a normal dude You know what's

gonna sell me? It is the moment and die hard

the moment a lot of people point to the glass

moment that shoots a glass moment having to run

across glass with bare feet and doing it and

just seeing him have to pick out that feet and

seeing that pain after you know in the 80s you

had people like Rambo and Arnold Schwarzenegger

that didn't show pain they were they were machines

they were beefed up but John McLean was that

guy that was kind of you know willing to bleed

so because of that gonna go I'm gonna go McLean

Greg were you done with Wolverine or John McClain?

Well the thing with your glass argument is Wolverine

feels that pain all the time. He does that. He

has the healing factor but he does feel that

pain whenever something like that happens and

he gets that a lot more than John McClain does.

You do make a good point. The thing with John

McLean, though, he beat Clint Eastwood in the

last round, if I remember correctly. He did.

Back in the day, they were thinking about doing

a Wolverine movie, and they were thinking about

putting in Clint Eastwood as Wolverine. And John

McLean just beat Clint Eastwood. So does that

mean that vis -a -vis that then John McLean beats

Wolverine. But if Clint Eastwood played Wolverine,

would that have elevated Clint Eastwood above

Joe McLean? I think we need to get some math

equations out here and try to figure this guy

out. Get a big chalkboard out. I do not have

a big enough degree to figure this out. With

our degrees combined. I think the amount of pain

that Wolverine goes through and that he's not

just a fucked up mess at the end of the day just

kind of makes him slightly nudge out John McClane.

Alright, Chuck, today you've been the deciding

factor for a lot of these matchups and that continues

now. You go on Wolverine, you go on McClane.

Pressure's on. Let's see, I do well under pressure,

so... Don't flinch I am I am actually gonna go

with Wolverine on this one and my argument is

from Probably close to my favorite story of all

time, which is infinity gauntlet And it's that

moment when all the heroes are trying to take

down Thanos when he already has the gauntlet

They know of his power They know what he wields

and you have Wolverine sneaking up behind him,

leaps off of a rock, and plunges his six claws

right through the chest of Thanos. Really, really

super badass moment. Now, obviously it doesn't

kill Thanos with the power that he wields, but

I think it's just such a defining badass moment

that Wolverine would just have the gall to do

this to someone holding the Infinity Gauntlet.

when you're reading the comic and you see it

happen you're like whoa that's the final stroke

that's the end game game over wolverine just

won it turned out not to be the case because

of basically the time gem being able to undo

stuff but just the fact that wolverine did that

that sells me on wolverine so all right good

points a lot of going on for wolverine for next

round so who's going to face off with in this

brackets championship Is it going to be Adrian

Peterson or is it going to be John Wayne? Chuck,

we ended you with you last time. Let's start

with you here. You go in AP. You go in JW. Well,

as much as I'd like to believe John Wayne is

Bruce Wayne's grandfather, I don't think that's

true. You know, there was a certain thing I liked

about John Wayne where he did, uh, he did some

of the Dean Martin roasts, which showed a totally

other side of him. Other than that like tough

brooding, you know aspect he he showed the ability

to get up there on stage and kind of poke fun

at some of his other fellow actors and really

like keep that celebrity status among all of

the greats during that time and I think just

him covering so many bases and so many genres.

It's it's just uh, it's just swaying me right

now. I'm gonna have to go with John Wayne Do

I think John Wayne could do what Adrian Peterson

did? Because they're kind of on the same playing

field of both real -life people. Did John Wayne

have a football career, like in college or anything?

Do you guys know? He might have been, actually,

in college, but I don't know, honestly. Yeah,

I'm not sure of that. Well, if he did, he probably...

If he had the chance and had the skill, he would

have probably... To go to the big leagues, I

think he would have chosen that over acting,

maybe. He did actually play football for USC.

Okay. I think the athletics... take precedence

over acting and going through all that physical

pain and anguish and maybe mental anguish trying

to push through all that and push through all

the maybe negative thoughts that sneaks into

maybe every athlete's mind of will I be able

to come back? Will I be able to overcome this

and not trip over himself? Not literally but

a trip over his own mind messing up and and being

maybe a lesser player He didn't do that. He he

overcame all that. I don't really see anything

for John Wayne to to really Overcome the sides

just kind of getting his name out there Just

being lucky and getting his foot in the door.

Whereas I think Adrian Peterson kind of had to

work for it more You make it you make a lot of

good points regarding AP And we've talked a lot

about John John Lee and his legacy, but I think

When it's all said and done Adrian Peterson is

gonna have one of the biggest I guess he's of

this day are running back controlling the game

in today's day and age It's you know, it's kind

of unheard of really He's one of the he may be

the last great running back that we see doing

what he does also It's pretty bad. I guess maybe

not badass but badass in the tragic sense that

and the fact that he began his football career

after, you know, the death of his brother. It's

kind of seeing his brother being killed by a

drunk driver is what inspired him to kind of

get out there and use that pain to become an

athlete and becoming like the person that he

is. And like I said, it's one thing John Wayne

was Pete had a badass voice. He had a badass

swagger walk. He he had all that. But AP is just

badass through physical motion. He He looks like

a badass, he acts like a badass, he runs like

a badass, and he just doesn't give up. There's

something about that. So many people could have

just stopped, but he keeps going. He is truly,

to me, what you look for in sports today. You

have so many bad influences out there, but he

is one of the positive lights out there, so I

think that too is pretty badass. It goes with

a heavy heart, but I didn't expect him to go

this far, but I think it's deservingly so that

AP, Adrian Peterson all day moves on to the next

round. You know, for the king of fantasy to go

forward in a fantasy bracket about badasses,

it seems right, right? I don't know, but Adrian

Peterson is moving on in the finals. Who would

have thought it would come down to this? Wolverine,

yeah, expected. Going up against Adrian Peterson

who is gonna face off against Thanos who is the

bigger badass? I guess I'll start this because

I ended last round and I don't know if I voted

for Wolverine yet. I think I might have once

I forget but Wolverine has a healing factor as

a comic book character Adrian Peterson has a

healing factor as a human being in real life

That makes me wanna kinda go AP. So I'm gonna

go with a little bit of the upset here and go

Adrian Peterson. Chuck, you go on Adrian Peterson

or you go on Wolverine? Quite frankly, you took

the words right out of my mouth. He is the real

life Wolverine. Never seen someone come back

from such an injury and actually be back to normal

or even stronger. So he... he has the real -life

feeling factor that Wolverine has, fictionally.

So, um, kind of the same argument as Dan there,

but I'm gonna have to go with AP. Wow, uh, though

I could be swayed. Greg, do you have an argument

for Wolverine, or are you also going, Adrian

Peterson? No, I think the fact that both of you

are, uh, using the same argument is just kind

of establishes that as a... a really good argument.

I'd like to fight for Wolfie a little bit, but

I don't know what angle to really take it as.

I think it just kind of has to go for that reason

that you guys both gave of he kind of has a real

-life feeling factor. The determination level

to get healthy again like that is just another

kind of stroke in his cap or another feather

in his cap. All right, so we do have a champion

of this round looking at all the people in this

bracket I mean, I guess there's little I didn't

expect Gordon Ramsay or anything like that. But

must say I did not expect Adrian Peterson To

meet up against Thanos the try to determine Who

is the biggest badass? Is it Thanos is it Adrian

Peterson purple again? Yeah Good point Greg.

We ended with you last round. Let's start with

you here You go on Thanos or you go on AP? Well,

we've got Thanos on the one side. It's been a

while since we've heard some points about him,

but he went up against a whole universe of superheroes.

He's dating Death. He's courting Death, the living

embodiment of Death that he's just infatuated

with. And that's what makes it hard, but he's

also fallen. He has died. Don't know the exact

backstory, but I know that Drax killed him at

one point. He tore his heart out from his chest,

literally just tore it out. Something to consider

though, would Thanos have let that happen so

that he could be with death? Maybe, never know.

Then there's another thing against Thanos is

he does... beat himself. Like he's the one that

takes and rips his own victory away from himself

and you don't really get that with Adrian Peterson.

He's actually kind of going the opposite way.

He's taking a bad team and he's doing all he

can to get them to win. He's on an underdog team

but making them pretty great and playoff potential.

even though maybe the rest of the team doesn't

really deserve it. Well mostly the quarterback

doesn't deserve it. He's a real life person so

that does kind of bring him up in my book at

least. It sounds like from how we've discussed

things it kind of does bring up things for you

guys a little bit too. Thanos kind of has everything

going for him and I think Adrian kind of had

to fight and I think that a fighter Is a little

bit more badass Thanos is more intelligent. He's

just got More going for him. So I'm gonna go

with Adrian I think And by the way, I still have

switcher points here. I Have not used. Oh that

argument swayed me yet. So Last week In the championship

round versus Thanos and Batman, I went Batman,

and I ended up losing that argument. So, now

with AP and Thanos, the question becomes, who

do I go with? Do I go AP? Do I go Thanos? I mean,

the thing we've been riding this entire time

with AP was the fact of what he's accomplished

on the field. Like I said, he is a machine. There's

no doubt about that. But if you look at the fact

that, who did he beat to get in here? he beat

Wolverine. And one of the deciding factors with

talk with Wolverine was the fact that Wolverine

stabbed Thanos, and how big of a badass moment

that was. Well, if your biggest badass moment

is, you know, not even killing Thanos, that says

something. That says how big of a badass that

Thanos is. He's won! Like, he literally, like

we talked about, the only person that ever beats

Thanos is Thanos. Which, yeah, that could be

negative. But has anyone ever beaten Adrian Peterson

not that I can think of only the only person

that's beat Adrian Peterson or the Vikings The

Vikings defense yeah, yeah in Brett far throwing

interceptions an NFC championship game it's tough

like I I So see everything you're saying about

Adrian Peterson and I do it's tough because you're

looking at a fictional character against a dude

in real life and you're like well It's hard to

compare them. But if you look at the respectable

fields Thanos has won the Super Bowl in the Marvel

Universe Adrian Peterson hasn't not to the Super

Bowl is everything but I think it does mean something

I don't know. It's tough. But I think just barely

I'm gonna go with Thanos and Chuck you've been

surprising us all night with different choices.

Are you gonna surprise us again? You go in Thanos

you go in AP Well Listen you guys know I'm gonna

pick here, right? I don't think you do cuz I'm

throwing a wrench in here and I'm going AP Wow

Yeah, I'm Hold on. I am mind blown mind blown.

Why do you guys always do this to me? It's like

every time every championship I go Batman now

I have been saving this argument. This this is

kind of my my switcheroo here. I kind of built

Thanos up in last week's episode and pushed him

to this final but I know I probably know Thanos

better than than any of us here and I know that

he his major flaw is that he he really honestly

has a glass jaw and if there's a flaw in any

of his schemes it's that he really isn't sure

what he wants and When he gets his victory It's

the most hollowest of victories. He's not satisfied.

He's never satisfied whatever comes to be it's

not what he thought it would be and he always

ends up being dissatisfied and I just think that

is a huge knock against him because he wins He

does win in a way, but he also loses because

he never gets what he wants because he never

knows what he wants And to me, Adrian Peterson,

he knows what he wants. He worked hard for it.

And let's face it, he looks better in purple.

So Adrian Peterson in one night has beaten Darkseid,

Thanos, Robert De Niro, Han Solo, and Wolverine.

That to me says it all. He hasn't had an easy

victory in life or in this bracket. Strength

of schedule is pretty tough. And the way we went

about it, too, of doing it on a podcast for geeks

and nerds. Yeah, that to me says a lot. Gotta

respect the AP all day. He is a fantasy champion

and he is the badass king for this year. Maybe

next year we'll... we'll do this again and or

maybe even sooner you know we might run out of

ideas i want to do something again soon but wow

adrian peterson i huge huge surprise at least

i did not expect that uh interesting interesting

to say the least any thoughts anything you want

to say before we uh move on to the the closing

out this episode i seriously never would have

thought that he would have made it to the top

spot either It's like a puny little earthling

once again with a story of coming out of nowhere

and defeating these gods. It's like something

that you would actually find in a comic book,

to be quite honest. Just kind of dumbfounded.

I guess for me it's more like, I mean not to

take anything away from Adrian Peterson, but

for me it's more of Thanos losing this because

I think this whole bracket is a perfect metaphor.

for the character of Thanos. He makes it all

the way to the end. You think he hasn't won.

And he loses it himself because he doesn't know

what he wants. It's a completely hollow victory.

So he's like the... He just gives it up and he

walks away unhappy yet again. He's like the Buffalo

Bills. Always there. We can never take it away.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. But I know I've had a lot

of fun doing this and it's been interesting.

Hopefully you guys enjoyed listening to it. I'm

really really curious at the reaction. We're

gonna get for this. I Don't know if people we

may lose all of our listeners It's all fun. It's

all 20 of them surprisingly enough. This doesn't

change anything, you know, it's not gonna This

isn't gonna be written the history books at least

for now, maybe one day. We are not changing to

us all sports podcast No, I don't know that much

about Just opinions are a dynamic thing. You

know, they're always Changing so we could always

have a different winner at another point like

like Dan mentioned. So yeah Honestly, if we did

this again, like even with the same people there's

a good chance Adrian Peterson wouldn't make it

there Thanos wouldn't make it to the finals because

it it is a lot of This one little thing one says

one person says one little thing and suddenly

it's like oh, yeah That's a good idea like with

John Wayne when I heard the word icon I'm like

I got gotta go with it. You gotta go with it

that but then Some other things pop up, so it's

been good. I'm liking the fact that people seem

so far to enjoy this and hopefully we'll have

similar ideas in the future. If you have any

ideas of who you thought should have won, who

you thought maybe should have been in this that

wasn't, because that was part of the fun, which

is coming up with people to put in this bracket.

I think we started with 32 and then we're like,

all right, we'll do a little bit more. All right,

we're just going to do 64 now. It all worked

out in the end though, so. But before we bring

this episode to a close, we always like to end

each episode with a letter. And Greg, you are

returning with a letter for this week, so why

don't you let everybody else out there know what

it's about. Well, actually, it's somebody that

listens to these podcasts, actually, that I'm

writing a letter to. And I kind of kept this...

Under wraps from you guys. I don't think I told

you guys beforehand who I'm writing to but uh

Stanley does he listen? Oh, he totally listens

He's he's very pissed at us that he didn't win

the badass bracket. So he's no longer gonna listen

But but here we go Dear Dan, I have kept this

hidden from you for years, but I'm madly in love

with you Will you have my child? Oh wait, sorry.

Sorry wrong letter wrong letter Dear Dan, The

three of us in recent years have not been able

to hang out as much as we like. Life has gotten

kind of in our way, and so has the miles. It

isn't anyone's fault, it's just, it is what it

is. In our separate lives we discovered our own

little things, but you found something you liked

to do. You got into the art of podcasting. Not

only did you get to podcast, but you got to podcast

about one of your favorite subjects, movies.

You didn't stop there though. You came up with

a grand idea. That idea was to start up a new

podcast with your friends. You got us past the

distance and took some time to get back to the

old days that we love so much. So I just wanted

to thank you for that. You got the gang back

together. I personally wanted to thank you for

the distraction. There's been a lot of stuff

that has been getting me down, and the podcast

is something great and positive to focus on and

get me through the week. So thanks for that.

Greg. P .S. We shall see you and Carol soon.

That Dan sounds like a good guy. He's a good

guy. Maybe the biggest badass of them all. That

was very nice, Greg. I really do appreciate that.

Though I'm not going to lie, when you first started,

I thought you were talking about the other day.

Who for those that don't know our other good

friend Dan who very busy life. Hopefully I don't

know if he listens, but maybe he does Yeah, I

don't know where he's going with that. But anyways,

but I thought he was writing to the other Dan

who was a another great friend of ours Chuck

and I were friends with him way back when back

in from grade school on really it's been one

of those things Hopefully we could get him on

one of these one of these days He's he's not

the biggest a nerd like us, but uh, he's great

fun to talk to He's a big movie buff too. Yeah,

and I mean I just necessarily come mostly mostly

horse movies But every sponsor you like Rick

I do have to I do have to thank you guys for

doing this and putting this up with me I know

it's it's time -consuming, but I think it's been

been fun and we're already 11 11 episodes in

so because of that We're gonna marble this thing

up and we're gonna go back to renumbering go

back to episode 1 and get a new creative team

He did, he did. Unfortunately, the person that's

going to be replacing us is Brian Michael Bendis.

But all seriousness now, this has been fun so

far and I hope it's only a good sign of things

to come. I definitely second everything that

Greg said. Very well put, Greg. I couldn't agree

more. No, if I change my mind, never mind. I'm

using my... My mind change from the bracket over

to now you want to use the switcher Oh, wait,

I have an extra one. So I change it back again.

There we go. You're still good. Yeah Hellboy

is actually the reason for this podcast. Yes.

I used all my my my mind switches to get him

to win But yeah, I think that'll do it for us

for this week. It's been fun Let us know what

you think of this whole badass bracket. You have

any ideas and we'll have to hear your feedback

It's been great seeing it so far There's a lot

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thank you all for listening us to this week,

and we'll be back next week, same time, same

channel, for now. This has been Chuck. This has

been Greg or Adrian Peterson. And this has been

Dan. Just Dan. And we've been Talking in Circles.

We'll see you next week. A P A D Did the Minnesota

Vikings have a fight song? I haven't actually

been in the game I think it's just that I think

it's the Viking horn or whatever that they blow

after the touchdown After that touchdown Maybe

that they get I'm trying to find my crap here

in the screen. You know how computers work, right?

That's not how you do that. I'm just doing a

monkey impression. I'm just throwing feces at

my screen. Greg, are you making a clean - Wow,

I can't say clean. Greg, are you making a clean

sleep? Wow! That's the cleanest sleeper ever.

Edit point. I think I'm gonna have to go with

John McLean on this one. I just forgot who he

was facing off against. Leonidas. For no other

reason than that, should he pass. Wow, I freaking

totally blanked out there. Sorry. You slept a

Leonidas in there. Which does sound like a date

rape joke, bud. I'm gonna probably cut that out.

That's for the ending.