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it's too low to the ground. What do you think,

Bobo? Bobo thinks scary! It's definitely something.

I'm thinking a sasquatch. It's not big enough

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Jupacabra? It's like a Sasquatch, only more elusive,

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now on the inside of what I like to call the

Circle of Trust. Your old connector. The great

circle of life. You know something, Bert? What?

I think you and I are going in circles. It feels

like we're going in circles. The circuit is now

complete. When I left you, I was but the learner.

Now I am the master. Because it's a circle. Yeah,

we heard about the circle. Yes, we're familiar

with shapes. Hi, this is Chuck. This is Greg.

And this is Stan, and we are Talking in Circles,

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all for joining us on another wonderful adventure.

How's the week been going for all you guys? Ah,

not too bad. Just still trying to, uh... get

out of Mother Nature's way, waiting for your

letter to arrive to her. I think you got lost

in the mail there a little bit or something.

It might have, you know, it was a bad idea to

use Pony Express. It takes a while, so. Airmail,

Aylmer, next time. How about yourself, Greg?

How's things going? Ah, pretty good. Just trying

to get over a migraine that I've got for the

second time today and did a little overtime this

week and didn't get a lot done, but got a lot

done for work. Not a lot done for myself, but

we all know how that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've

been there for sure. Same thing. Luckily we didn't

really have much snow. It was kind of sad though

because the past weekend I went to Virginia for

a wedding and driving home it was kind of depressing

because the closer I got to home just the more

snow there was on the side of the road. That's

because you were getting away from... Virginia

and that's for lovers yeah so the farther away

you get the more hatred you got instilled into

yourself I know it's the farther away you get

the closer away you get to Philly and Philly's

and you know notorious for their hatred so although

that's the city of brotherly love You're just

in a nexus of love there, Dan. As long as you're

not Santa Claus or a Giants fan, you're okay.

Or sometimes even Eagles players. True, true.

For those return visitors or for those listening

for the first time, we are Talking in Circles,

a podcast a little bit about everything. We'll

start with what we've been doing recently and

then we move into something else. And today we

actually have a little bit of a special idea

here. And in response to a letter we received,

we'll be counting down our personal top five

favorite TV shows. as well as our top five favorite

movies. So that'll be enjoyable. Kind of curious

to see what everyone has on their list because

we really don't know. So there might be crossover,

may not be. Just give you guys a better idea

of kind of what our tastes are and all that great

stuff. By the way, Santa did check our list twice.

Someone's got to. Someone's got to. Did he tell

you there are certain movies that were naughty

so you can't put them on your list, Greg? Yeah,

I had to cross out a whole bunch of movies on

my list, I think. Speaking of movies, I did have

the opportunity to watch a movie before we recorded.

Have any of you guys seen the new DC animated

movie, directed DVD movie, Justice League War,

at all? Which came out a few weeks ago. I have

not. I have not either. I definitely want to

check it out, but I haven't gotten a chance yet.

I got a chance a few days ago, and I sat down

to watch it, and I didn't really know anything

about it going in, honestly. I didn't realize

it's... The story is taking place in the new

52. Apparently you know the rehash that or reboot

or whatever you want to call it that DC did.

It's kind of like the one of the big stories

that launched that reboot and I must say it was

okay. It wasn't the greatest. I like some of

the Justice League stuff they've done in the

past. I really love New Frontier and Apocalypse.

This one I kind of put in the middle. I liked

it better than like Justice League Doom, but

it's I had some major issues with it. What was

weird was it felt like if Josh Whedon was writing

the Justice League, the guy who directed the

Avengers, he's done Buffy and all that type of

stuff. Firefly. Firefly. Serenity. Exactly. He's

done a lot. And the reason being is like everyone

had like witty quips. Everyone like was kind

of sarcastic. Even Batman, to a certain extent,

he was a little bit dry, of course, but in Superman

2 was just really... I don't know, kind of douchey

in a way. Like he just kind of felt like a big

jerk and you really didn't really get a good

sense of his character or a lot of the characters.

I did like Wonder Woman. She seemed kind of normal

for what we've known and Barry Allen as Flash

was interesting. They had Hal Jordan as Green

Lantern and he was just, I don't know, he's kind

of like a jerk in a way. I felt like they were

trying to do like a Ryan Reynolds type of personality

with him, but it just didn't work at all. And

I really didn't like what they did the dark side.

They've kind of made him into almost Galactus

-like. You know, Darkseid, the thing I liked

about him is that he had a personality. He was

kind of arrogant and they changed him to the

fact that he's more just like a force of nature.

Like he doesn't really talk much. There's no

personality to him. He's very dry, just drawing

things like a robotic type of voice to him. And

just, I don't know, it just was kind of a little

bit made it boring. And yeah, he's powerful.

The action was fun, but it was, I don't know.

There's been so many Justice League stories about

invasions and this one I would put I honestly

thought like the series the TV series did the

similar stories a lot better I would say watch

it but it's I would not have high expectations

for it So do you think the TV? Version of it

was better because they had more time to kind

of lay out the story that could be it I think

that that's the biggest issues like you don't

you get so many small little tidbits of these

characters like really tiny introductions into

them and it's one thing if you're going to do

that and superman's gonna be like you always

know him because it's like okay i know this character

so i don't need a huge explanation of who he

is But when you're doing that and it's a new

take on the character and you don't really have

an idea of what that take really is, it's hard

to kind of get invested. So I think with the

series, since it's more in line with the classic

type of characters and like you said, they have

more time, it works a lot better. Yeah, I always

have trouble with when they do reboots of trying

to catch up with everything they're changing,

especially with DC, since I'm not always in that

world, because I am mostly a Marvel reader. When

they switch over like that, things get really

difficult. Yeah, I agree. That's kind of why

I like it. I'm a big fan of the alternate universe

stories because they have to redefine everything

so much. I really love Justice League Flashpoint

or the last one they did. I thought that was

handled a lot better. I did like the animation.

I don't think it's a bad movie per se. I would

still give it a passing grade, but I guess I

have high expectations for DC when it comes to

their animated stuff and just didn't live up

to it completely. But that's really all I've

been watching. How about yourself, Reg? Anything

you've been up to recently? Well, I think I'll

kind of go with something you said, and yours

is kind of an alternate dimension type of theme,

because I just got a whole bunch of graphic novels

that I think I said last time I did at BAM. I

got a whole bunch of graphic novels, and a couple

of them were new exile books. And one of their

main things is it's a bunch of characters from

different worlds in the Marvel universe coming

together to help save... What was it called?

The multiverse? Or is it the omniverse? What

verse is that at this point? I think it's a multi

-omniverse, but... Okay. I really... Have you...

Just not to mean to cut you off, but did you...

Have you read the original Exiles books at all?

I think I've read one here and there. I remember

you suggesting them a lot to me because you know

I am a big fan of the what if comic books. Yeah.

Where it's essentially a spin on an historical

moment in the Marvel universe or or a change

in a character that would be different or like

the Marvel bullpen will get the powers of the

Fantastic Four. It's weird stuff like that that

they'll come out with like a single kind of one

-shot issue of it. The New Exiles is kind of

like that but you have a base team to stay with

the entire time which is kind of neat. The only

problem I have with them is you kind of have

to reacclimate your thinking of what's going

on because... in the one part they have gambit

in this story and I don't think Chuck would like

this gambit at all for the most part because

it's nothing like the Gambit character that he

knows at all. He's essentially a Namor type character,

but he's the son of Namor who looks more like

Black Panther got stuck in the sea and Susan

Storm is his mother. Interesting. Yeah, and he

doesn't have any of the powers that you know

him to have. He's got all Namor's type of powers.

Then he's got Susan Storm's force fields. powers

going on so that was well so you're gonna get

like uh some takes you're gonna like and some

you aren't and that's pretty much what you get

throughout this book uh what else do i have here

uh i think it's interesting to see the different

changes that they made and the twists and turns

other than that it was pretty uh average going

story wise for the most part i think the thing

that that really was tripping me up during reading

this was some of the, I thought there was a miscommunication

between the artist and the author. There was

just some things that just didn't match up from

what was said and what was on the page. Like,

I felt like there were characters saying things

that should have been said by the other character

in that panel. I think they were just like, oh,

wait, it's no, maybe somebody was speaking a

different language. The proofreader was off that

day. Yeah, the editor. The author of the book

is actually Chris Claremont of X -Men fame and

popularity. Then the artists of the book was,

let me see here, it was Tom Grumman and Tim Seeley

and then, I don't know how to say that first

name but the second name. George, it's George.

No, it starts with a V. V -I -N -C -N -C. The

Villa Grassa is doing backup stories, so I'm

not sure. Must be related to Del Toro. The last

person was probably where the miscue was because

the only foreign -sounding name in there, because

we all know Chris Claremont is English -speaking

man. The only way I could see the mess -ups going

and that was just in this third issue of it,

but that I didn't even read yet. I kind of stopped

reading Exiles after Chris Claremont and kind

of took it over because he kind of like demolished

it and... Yeah, he started anew. Yeah, and reshaped

it in his own image. I was not a big fan of what

he did. He got rid of a lot of the best characters.

Yeah, at this point it hits Psylocke, Sabertooth

from the apocalypse dimension, Gambit, Kitty

Pride, but her name is Cat in this. There's Rogue.

And there's Mystique but Mystique's a man named

Mystic or something like that. And then there's

this other character that I don't really know

too well called Sage. Yeah and Chris Claremont

like has kind of like a hard on for Psylocke.

He just puts her in everything and I don't know.

Like the guy with a blink who was like the best

character in that entire storyline. Oh Marf is

also in there sorry. I was just I did not like

what he did with it. I have a lot of the original

stuff I like. pretty much most of the original

run, it ran like 100 issues or so. And the way

I always kind of described it was like that show

Sliders back in the day, meshed with like what?

Meshed with the X -Men. And it's only to you,

I love like alternate storylines. And I loved

how in the beginning, what was kind of cool about

it was... You don't know why all these people

are kind of put together. They're kind of forcefully

put together and they're kind of forced to go

through these missions. And when someone died,

they would get replaced. And it would be, it

was like a round table of randomness that you

never knew like who was going to show up, what

kind of character was going to be, which was

kind of fun. But their intentions would be even...

Yeah, yeah. They would have villains, they would

have heroes, they had a team too like called

the X Factor team, which was more, they did more

like 30 jobs per se, like they... did more assassinations

and stuff like that. And they go to these different

universes and they're supposed to fix something.

And then once they fix it, they go on to another

one. So I wasn't a fan of what they did with

once they kind of Claremont took it over and

did it himself. And it just, I don't know, it

didn't. It felt a lot different. Yeah, the first

the last version that I read that you're talking

about, I thought there were I only read parts

of stories here and there, but I thought it was

much better than this version. Yeah, to be honest.

That's interesting, because Claremont had such

a great X -Men run, you know? Yeah, and this

is all mutant characters, too. Yeah, you think

he would, like, excel with that type of story?

Well, he did come up with Jubilee, so... They

all can't be winners. You've been reading anything

else? Well, I have something that I've watched.

It was a doc. Well, I think it was a doc. It

was something on either Discovery or History

Channel. like an hour and a half long special

type of thing. So it was called Apocalypse How

and it was pretty much how is the apocalypse

gonna go down? What's gonna destroy us? And I

thought there was a couple of interesting options

with the head going on and I was thinking about

telling you all the different scenarios, you

guys, all the different scenarios and then see

if you guys, what you guys favor is how the world's

gonna go down. They have a super volcano over

in Yellowstone Park that's pretty much set to

go off. They said that once that thing goes off

it'll cause a huge cloud over the earth and it'll

start to heat things up. Then there's also...

A Nukeageddon. Sounds like an awesome movie.

I forget most of that one, but I think I actually

named it that. I think it's the one where everybody's

got their hands on the trigger, kind of like

the Cold War between us Americans and the Russians

back in the day where we all have our fingers

on the triggers for nukes. I just named it Nukeageddon

because I thought that was awesome. You need

to write that book, Greg. It's kind of like that

movie with what's -his -name was it uh, oh gosh,

was it Matthew Broderick? Oh, War Games? Yeah,

yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've seen that one. That's

a great movie. That's a really good movie. Yeah,

it is. There's also the option of germs and super

germs. They went over the intentional and non

-intentional SARS mad scientists, like super

villain mad scientists hypothesis was also given.

Was Galactus an option? Well, there is an option

for alien invasion, which Neil deGrasse Tyson

talked about a little bit. He was in there, so

if you're a big Neil deGrasse Tyson fan, even

though I don't agree with his whole Pluto thing,

I do enjoy listening to the man. There was Asteroid

or Meteor, I forget the... Yeah, but we didn't

know how to solve that from Armageddon, so that

won't happen. Well, they talked about Armageddon

and they said... the way they did it would be

a terrible way how to destroy an asteroid because

if you blew it up from the inside, they're like,

oh yeah, that'll be great. So now we just get

a whole bunch of maybe about medium size. So

we all just get pelted all over the place and

be like shooting a shotgun at close range. What

other options we have? We have climate change.

They talked about a new ice age coming into existence

or what's the other one with the ice caps melting

in? If it's a new ice age, I just like hope to

God that one of the animals doesn't have a voice

of Ray Romano. But then they went the other direction,

the ice age and just like climate change of the

polar ice caps melting. Like water world? Yeah.

Kind of, except hopefully there's not a map on

some girl's back. Kevin Costner doesn't have

gills. And drink his own pee. Then there's the

option of intelligent machines. Nanotech, self

replication, that kind of stuff. There was a

lot of talk about the Hydron Collider over in

Europe. There was worry about black holes, but

they said that was very unlikely that the black

holes that they build are so small that they

deteriorate really quick in the environment that

they have. The most likely option for the hydron

collider is the strangelet. And I highly recommend

people looking up what a strangelet is, because

I'm never going to be able to explain it to everybody.

I'm not that technically minded. Come on, Sheldon.

Sheldon, I am not. I did win over Sheldon on

the one episode, though. Penny was looking to

get a comic book for her cousin or something

whose birthday it was. And she was like... We'll

just get him a comic book. Which one? I don't

know. Spider -Man. And he goes, well, what's

Spider -Man? And he went off the list of Spider

-Man. And I was watching this with my parents.

And I go, wait a minute. He forgot Spectacular

Spider -Man. And then like five seconds later,

he goes, oh, I forgot. Spectacular Spider -Man.

And my parents just looked at me like I was the

biggest dork ever. I'm pretty sure they were

going to take me outside after class and beat

me up. I was such a nerd right then. The other

options we have are natural black hole out in

the universe. Come up and disintegrate us into

spaghettification, which is an actual term that

they used on the show, spaghettification. Sounds

delicious. Nice. I'm gluten free. More options

are... What's that? Is that the organic version?

It's the healthy way to die. For those of us

who have allergies, gluten allergies, then we

have the option of the sun destroying us with

either a super flare or it dying, but that's

a long, long ways away before the sun turns into

a red star. But a super flare is apparently a

viable option. So I was just wondering out of

those options what you guys would pick. for what's

most likely to happen, and what way do you think

is the coolest way to go out? The coolest way

to go out? I'd say most likely probably a solar

flare, or I'd assume, because that's something

that... Or maybe the volcano that's feels like

that might have been what took down the dinosaurs.

No one said zombies. There's no zombie one I

think that fit into the the germ and the infection

type of one that I stated I think might probably

most likely would be like a a big astray type

thing, but I think the coolest would be the intelligent

machines. I've always thought that just like

some kind of Terminator Skynet thing and I see

more and more every year that we're developing

this advanced AI and it's just creeping me the

heck out. Especially the self -replicating nanotech

type of stuff, that always interested me because

they also talked about this technology gray blob

that would come and take us out, which I thought

was really cool. Even the little remote -controlled

drones and stuff that fly around like a swarm

of bees, that's friggin creepy too. Yeah, I do

agree with you Chuck. That is the coolest way

to go I think. Yeah. Either that or spaghettification.

There's a giant fork on the other side of the

black hole just twisting you around. We're the

giant meatball that gets... We're still holding

on for Galactus though. I think that would be...

Yeah, they didn't mention him by name, though.

I'm sorry, Dan. Yeah, but no one would be afraid

of him if he was a giant cloud. All right, anything

else? That's all I've been up to. How about you,

Chuck? Well, I've been watching quite a bit of

stuff this week. One thing I watched... Except

for Chuck. I didn't read anything, though, so

you got me on that one. I did watch a documentary

about the history of comic books. It is called

Super Heroes A Never -Ending Battle. I think

that's one of the only ones that I haven't seen.

It actually was a PBS special. Okay, then I have

seen it. Okay. Yeah, I think it aired like, I

don't know, I want to say like last October,

November, something like that. It wasn't that

long ago because I remember you recommending

it to me. I didn't remember the name, but I remembered

you recommending it to me. Yeah, I managed to

recommend it to a lot of people and then I never

watched it myself I've done that many times Well

part of it's because it's three hours long and

I just didn't get to watch all of it that night

but I did track it down on DVD on Amazon was

about 15 bucks and I definitely think it was

worth it, especially if you're into like the

history of comic book industry and stuff like

that. It's actually narrated by Lee of Schreiber,

which I think he was in that one Wolverine movie

that we don't speak of. Not sure what it is.

It's like it's three hours long. It's broken

into three different segments. The first segment

is kind of like the start of it in the thirties

to around the mid fifties. And then it goes the

second segment from there to seventy seven. And

the third segment is kind of starting off with

the Christopher Reeve superman movie in 78 up

until now and it basically it talks about the

impact of comic books on our culture and Conversely

the impact of our culture on comic books. So

it's it's actually really interesting So they

went over the fact that oh we read comic books.

We got beat up for reading comic books We wanted

to fight back. So we created this with our minds

some more And we grew up to yeah draw more yet

more comic books It's cool because they focus

mainly on interviewing writers and artists, which

I think is great. They hardly do any interviews

with actors. They really don't talk about the

movies much. I mean just some people that they

have on there. Stan Lee is on there quite a bit.

He would never be on there. Stan the man. They

have Joe Simon who is one of the creators of

Captain America. Neil Adams is on there. Joe

Kubert. There's some old clips of Jack Kirby

speaking. Frank Miller was in there, too, I think.

Yeah, he was in there for a little bit. Is that

really creepy? Yeah, he is. Actually, the Alan

Moore one was creepier. He's a strange man. Yeah,

he really is. Comes out with good stuff, though.

Yeah. Jim Lee for a little bit. Jeff Johns, Jeff

Loeb, Grant Morrison. Grant Morrison, I heard

he's like really, really difficult to understand.

His accent is just... Yeah, I have such hard

time listening to him. It's like it's just really

super sick. Like I think it's Scottish accent.

I think it's Scottish too. Oh, man. It's like

did you know he has his own he had his own con

at one point? Really? Yes. I forget what they

called it, but he had a whole con centered around

him. I believe I heard it on like one of the

Nerdist podcasts or something. I think it was

the comic writers panel, which is a good podcast

to listen to throughout the day. It kind of gives

you a little bit of background information on

some of the comics and it has a whole bunch of

those type of guys going on there. Sorry to interrupt,

Chuck. I just thought I'd throw that in there.

Oh, yeah, no, that's cool. Actually, I'm not

too familiar with this stuff. I know Morrison

had a great run on Justice League there for a

little while. He does a lot of good stuff with

Batman. Yeah, I think he did the Tower of Babel

story, which is one of my favorites. But anyway,

no, no, Michael, Brian Michael Bendis, which,

which is pretty cool. So, you know, didn't have

to listen to him take over the show and then

have it end really badly. Was gonna say they

saved him for the ending but it just it didn't

work. So they just decided they got them. Yeah,

it's just cut him out like rogue from X -Men

Basically they start with how the comic industry

started they talk about the creatives of Superman

Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster and a lot of the

other early characters how they were developed

by Jewish or immigrants Jewish people are immigrants

trying to fit into our society and how you can

really see it reflected in their characters,

you know, like Superman's an alien trying to

fit into our society. I mean, he'll never be

fully accepted, but he's trying and he's struggling

with that. That's an interesting segment and

they kind of they move on to really the height

of the popularity of comics in the early 40s

because of World War II and how, you know, Hitler

and the Germans and even Japan basically ready

-made comic villains and it was so easy to make

them a target and just stick them in the famous

cover Captain America punching Hitler right in

the jaw. It just boosted morale, it boosted patriotism

and stuff like that. And I think there are a

couple of statistics they threw in there that

I thought were really mind -blowing. They said,

By the early 1940s, over 90 % of American boys

and almost 90 % of girls read some kind of comic

book. And I thought that was ridiculously high.

I mean, I thought the girl statistic was kind

of high. Yeah. And I mean, that's about ages

seven to 17. And I know it's getting more popular

now because of movies and stuff. But back then,

the popularity is just crazy. I mean, it's just

through the roof. It's almost as much as the

percentage of people that have podcasts. Yes.

Another thing, too, they said the during World

War Two, they had research that showed that 70

million Americans were reading comic books, which

at that time was like half the population of

the country. So if you could have like think

about today, having half the population of the

country reading comic books, that that is pretty

crazy. We have a lot more people going on, too.

So that would be insane. Right. I mean, I know

half the population listens to our podcast, but...

We can't even get half our population to read,

let alone read comic books. That is true. But

at least they're on the right start. You know,

they have some pictures to follow there. True,

true. Then they kind of move into how comics

and superheroes faded after the war. You know,

no one really needed the heroes anymore. They

moved into westerns and horror, sci -fi, and

really started getting some questionable content.

Parents were getting up in arms and it kind of

led to the creation of the Comics Code Authority

in the 50s, which was one of the biggest jokes

ever, kind of. They shared an interesting story

too with Stan Lee and he was talking about when

they released, I'm pretty sure it was Amazing

Spider -Man number 96. I was trying to squint

and see the number on the screen, but they basically

printed the comic without the comics code seal

because it was an anti -drug issue. Didn't the

government like send him a message or something

asking him if he would? Like throw out a message

of anti -drugs? Yeah, it was some sort of health

agency from Washington DC and they called them

and they said, you know, we recognize the impact

of your books, the influence of them, how broad

it is. We think it'd be great if you did an anti

-drug story. And so he did the story and he said

he didn't want to preach to kids. So he just

kind of worked it into the story. And it was,

it was a kid that - And the comic code had to

be a bunch of curmudgeons. Yeah. You worked it

in nice. Thank you. I was looking for a spot.

Very nice. But basically this kid overdoses and

he walks off the top of a building thinking he

can fly and Spider -Man rescues him. And like

Greg said, the Comics Code Authority rejected

it. And Stan Lee is like, you know, what's the

problem? This is an anti -truck story. And they

never said... what drug he took. They never showed

him taking the drug. They just were like, oh,

he's on something. And he's like, oh, I'm a bird.

And I had to jump off a building. So they're

like, they're like, no, no, you can't have it.

You can't have anything with drugs. So Stanley

basically goes into his editor and he knows the

importance of this. And he just says, you know,

let's just print it anyway without the seal.

So they go ahead and do it and. the book goes

over really well and he actually they start getting

calls from parents and teachers and everything

like all over the country about how happy they

are that they printed this book and the funny

part is within a week of this happening the comics

code authority has like an emergency meeting

and it leads to these like really relaxed regulations

after that because they realized like just how

stupid they were being Sorry, Dan. I was going

to say it reminds me of like the MPAA that they

handle all the ratings for movies and how ridiculous

they can be with stuff and how notoriously like

they're kind of the similar where the reasons

for rating movies is very subjective, especially

like independent films have tended tend to get

harsher ratings than that of like big budget

movies. There's a really great documentary called

This Film Is Not Yet Rated that goes into that.

And it just reminds me when you when you're talking

about like The Comics Code of Authority, just

they seem very similar in their kind of ridiculousness

and incompetence. Yeah. And I just think it's

another commendable moment in the career of Stan

Lee. It's something that he had the foresight

to realize what was going on. And I think it's

just another... like great moment in his career.

It's like somebody with common sense, you know,

to see what was happening. And then after they

started talking about that, they go into the

third segment, which starts with the Richard

Donner Superman movie in 78. They talk a little

bit about that and how it revolutionized everything.

They kind of move into the 80s where, you know,

Frank Miller modernized Batman, you know, made

him cool again since everybody was kind of stuck

in that Adam West mindset from like from the

1966 TV show. Nobody messes with Adam Wee. And

he's hilarious and family guy by the way. I just

saw an episode of Goosebumps with him in it.

Really? Yeah. It was a comic book themed one

and he was the galloping gazelle. You can tell

he was getting a little older there because they

tried to fill him out a lot with a lot of extra

padding and he looked huge. sure that was extra

padding and it was probably all him yeah but

um so they talk about you know Frank Miller making

Batman more basically more badass and more likable

for like the more adult characters and stuff

and they go into The near collapse of the industry

in the 90s that came from like mass producing

books and they became almost worthless because

they just had like warehouses full of different

issues and it was kind of based off the early

success of the books like Jim Lee's X -Men, McFarland's

Spider -Man, even like the Death of Superman

stuff that was just like basically sold like

hotcakes. So they started printing all these

books and just made everything worthless. And

they made all these variants and stuff too. Yeah.

Thanks for making my collection worth nothing,

everybody. Yeah, really. I still have a soft

spot in my heart for the 90s stuff now. And they

kind of conclude briefly with the modern day

surge in popularity because of the movies and

stuff like that. I think it's a great watch.

There's a lot of great information in it. Like

I said, especially if you're into the history

of comics, I think you'll kind of get fascinated

with it, honestly. It's three hours long, but

I thought it didn't seem like it. You're kind

of engrossed in it, so I would highly recommend

it. I just wanted to say before we close out

on that one, my favorite part of that was when

they were talking about the comic code. They

had a great story about Storenko. That's his

name, people. It's just Storenko. With him, he

was writing a Nick Fury comic and he had a panel

where... Nick Fury was, was he making out with

the girl? I forget exactly what was going on

with that, but it was some kind of highly sexual

scene. So the comic code had to cut it out, but

they put a different panel in of just a panel

or two before there was a shot of his gun and

they just enlarged the gun to a bigger size.

And Sterenko thought it was awesome. He said

it was it looked way more. It was probably way

more sexual than anything he probably could have

drawn on the page. I just thought that was a

great little yeah. Back to them. I remember that

story because I guess the comics could said you

couldn't have two people in a full embrace on

a panel. Yeah. So like, you know, his gun hanging

on the arm of the couch was like a more explicit.

Yeah. Which it's like. It does the same thing,

but it's just not showing it. But yeah, that

is funny. Are you even watching anything else?

Yeah, another another movie I watched. It's called

Gallow Walkers. I found this on Netflix, but

I've kind of been wanting to see it for a while.

And I remember seeing the trailer a while back.

It came out in 2012. And by the trailer, I kind

of expected it to be as Wesley Snipes in it.

And just by the way, the trailer was set up.

I kind of expected it to be Blade in the Old

West. versus zombies instead of vampires. Didn't

this come out not that long ago? Yeah. Yeah,

it was. And it's on Netflix already? Yeah. Yeah,

it's on there. I'm going to have to look that

up. It sounded cool and the trailer looked really

interesting, but it was not what I expected at

all. It was it was pretty bad, actually, I thought.

So don't watch it then. I mean, I don't know.

You might like it. I like Westerns and I like

Snipes and I. I thought that this would be like

a sure thing for me, but I didn't care for it.

I thought it was way too weird. The basic premise

is like the woman he loved got raped and killed

by some outlaws. So Wesley Snipes kind of gets

his revenge. And it's not even like a long drawn

out revenge. They just show it in a flashback.

And like, apparently that's not the interesting

part of the movie. But in the process, he dies

himself. and his mother like gives her life to

let him be resurrected but part of the deal was

that everyone he killed also comes back too so

they're kind of like undead but you know they

think and talk and all that good stuff and Snipes

like basically just tries to hunt them all down

again and it sounds actually like a really cool

premise but they threw some things in there that

were just extremely weird for me like the these

undead people their skin Apparently dries out

every so often and they actually like have to

cut faces off of other people and like sew them

onto their own heads Okay, this is sounding awesome

Chuck I'm just like making it sound way better

for Greg I like the B rated stuff. So this is

kind of going on my alley here I kind of I kind

of thought this might be up your alley, but um

That the one guy has like this huge metal bucket

on his head with spikes and it's just it's completely

random but um, I think there's some good like

old -fashioned Western shootout moments and You

know, they kind of want to show off, you know

Wesley Snipes shooting skills and everything

like that and I was surprised that he did a cowboy

movie I never really knew that he was into that

but I think he he does pretty well in the movie

I just think the story is a little weak and a

little Strange I guess but um the interesting

thing is this is actually the movie that snipes

was filming when he got brought up on charges

of the tax evasion If you guys remember that

yeah, yeah, we all remember that but it's funny

because People think that he was put in jail

because the tax evasion, but it was actually

because of this movie I hate the rag on it too

much. I mean there are some decent elements.

I wouldn't really recommend it to anyone unless

You're Greg. Basically, unless you're really

into those like sci -fi things that are kind

of, you know, you don't mind the goofiness off

the wall, like side plots. I will say the first

half of the movie, it's only an hour and a half

long. The first half of it, I had no clue what

was going on because they don't explain anything

till like you get towards the end. So just kind

of be prepared for that. Interesting it reminds

me actually this morning I caught like three

seconds of this movie and I'm like What is this

and I was very confused it was called land sharks.

It was like a sci -fi film Sorry awesome starring

Brooke Hogan like the Hulk Hogan's daughter It

was about sharks that go in sand. I know people

talk about Sharknado a lot, but this was just,

it was really early in the morning because I

woke up to go to the gym. It was like four o

'clock in the morning. I'm like, am I hallucinating?

Is this real? And it was. Nice. I did have one

other thing. I watched a few episodes of Finding

Bigfoot. Not sure if you guys have ever seen

this show, but it's on Animal Planet. Spoiler

alert, they have not found him. Is that correct?

You are correct. He's hiding out in somebody's

outhouse. He's the one shooting it. He's the

one holding the camera. That's why it's so shaky.

I have a big revelation for you guys. I'm actually

Bigfoot. You know what? I can see it. I can see

it. I'm a Bigfoot. You can tell whenever I take

my shirt off I'm a Bigfoot. You need to be about

three feet taller though. I actually had that

thing where you cut your shin in half and then

take a section out of your shins. I actually

had that surgery done. That's a thing, yes. I

believe it is a thing. Nice. You just get the

pneumatic stilts. I just had a rainbow come over

my head saying the more you know. I did watch

a couple episodes on TV of it. I watched some

on Netflix as well. I do catch it from time to

time, and honestly, I get a pretty good laugh

out of this show. I respect some of their methods

that they use. I mean, it's basically four people.

There's one skeptic on the team, which is the

woman, and the other three are hardcore Sasquatch

believers. They do try to debunk things when

they get video footage or they get stories and

stuff and they do try to debunk them which is

admirable but Like I said the couple of guys

on the team that they're so adamant that Bigfoot

exists that like everything is a Sasquatch Like

every sighting every noise they hear and it's

to the point where it's like comical I mean,

they do these squash calls, which is basically

them just standing in the middle of the darkness

and making screaming noises as loud as they possibly

can. And it just sounds like a dying cow or something

in the woods. But they do these. They also do

these wood knocks, which is basically they just

grab a big stick and they start whacking a tree

like three times. And if they get a response,

you know, obviously it's a Sasquatch. The only

explanation, right? Yeah, it can't possibly be

an echo or something because they're in all these

canyons and stuff. But you know, if any noise

that they hear back like, oh, there's a Sasquatch

here. So it's kind of comical. And I've said

a lot of times like watching this show like,

you know, there's other animals in the woods,

right? You know, there's, there's like coyotes

and owls, there's bear, deer, like making all

these noises and stuff, but it's... And Sasquatch,

right? Oh, absolutely. Okay. And he's after my

wheat shirts too. Messing with Sasquatch? I do

love those commercials. Do you think they watch

those for ideas? It's like, you know what? He's

also after beef jerky, you guys. I'm not sure

if you knew that or not. He's after Wheat Thins

and beef jerky. Those are hilarious. It's a fun

show just because part of me wants to kind of

believe in Bigfoot. You know, it's just that

party that's like what if, but I just find some

holes in their research, kind of. There's a couple

episodes I thought were worth pointing out, but

the one they actually bring a baboon in a cage

from a zoo. Into the woods to try to like stir

up some kind of response from a Sasquatch So

this baboons like freaking out in the cage because

they're screaming out in the middle of the woods

and stuff. It's just comical Sounds like a sequel

to the hangover Yeah, Alan is like the lead investigator

I Mean and it seems it kind of seems like a good

idea to bring this baboon but no surprise like

nothing happens the hilarious hilarious one though

is Where they explain how Sasquatch are more

likely to approach women or girls. And it's amazing

that they know all these facts about Sasquatch.

That's because they are actually the Sasquatch

and they are more inclined to approach women.

The one guy in there, Bobo, he's actually pretty

funny. He's the one that's like all gung -ho

about it. I mean, the funny part is they say

they're more likely to approach women or girls.

So they actually go and they bring a whole troop

of Girl Scouts out into the woods. Use them as

bait. They blatantly admit it in the show that

they're using them as bait. So they have them

all sitting around the campfire like screaming

and giggling and everything. They're like, oh,

this will bring them out for sure, you know?

And big surprise, nothing happens. I'm pretty

sure a pedophile would walk out of the floor.

I was going to say, like, I talked about this

being like a sequel to The Hangover. This could

be a sequel to like... The Silence of the Lambs

bringing a bunch of Girl Scouts out to the woods.

Yeah, it's okay. It's for research. Yeah, sure

it is. This big guy named Bobo who has a pet

baboon is bringing out Girl Scouts to the woods.

Nothing could go wrong. That's sounding that

it changed little girls to little boys and we're

in we're into Michael Jackson at that point.

You start hearing Thriller playing in the middle

of the woods. But it's I mean, it's it's an interesting

show. It's It's definitely worth a laugh. Like

if you're if you're like looking to get a chuckle

out of something I would check it out, but I

would not take it too seriously though. I mean,

it's it's just funny I want to see the guy taking

anything else? The only thing I watched really

was The New Guardians of the Galaxy trailer.

I know that got a lot of attention on the internet

I was kind of curious what you guys thought about

that I thought it was really good. I thought

it kind of instead of being trying to show that

they're gonna prove that they could do a space

movie kind of like how the Green Lantern failed,

how they're kinda gonna take it into a different

direction, be a little bit more humorous with

it, which I thought was great. I don't think

the whole thing's gonna be that humorous, but

I think there's gonna be a lot more action, like

you see towards the end of it, but I thought

it was really good, and I really like how Rocket

Raccoon and, excuse me, how Groot and Rocket

the Raccoon look in it. I don't think I've gotten

a really good glance at Gamora. I'm kind of on

the fence about her. I thought what's his name?

That's playing Batista? Well, I didn't care for

Batista, but I'm talking about Star -Lord or

Peter Quill. Chris Pratt. Yeah, I thought Chris

Pratt looked really good for that role. I think

they're trying to establish that Drax and Gamora

aren't like the same type of character. just

different sexes. I think they're trying to establish

them as different characters with a little bit

of red tattoo design that he has going on, which

I don't really care for. I think it's a lot more

red in there than green, which I'm used to in

the comics, but who knows? It's like that same

issue that I had before with the X -Men first

class, and I ended up loving that, so. Yeah,

I'm right there with you, Greg. I really dug

it, too. I like how the feel of it, too. I felt

like a classic, like all ball. Like 1970s science

fiction film. Yeah. I like the comedic aspect.

Kind of what I was a little bit expecting with

James Gunn as directing. I like that song in

there, too. The kind of feeling. Yeah, it's great.

Yeah, it's funny because I when they released

the Comic Con footage that was in that, I don't

think they would actually use a song, but they

did. And also read James Gunn did like a breakdown

of the trailer and gave more information. And

I think maybe appreciated even a little bit more

and understand what's going on. But yeah, it

was. Very comedic and I can see why because you're

trying to sell this crazy concept of a talking

tree and a raccoon. Yeah, it's not taking itself

too seriously like Green Lantern was. Exactly

and that's the thing like I don't like about

DC right now with their live action films. It's

very brooding and very realistic and gritty and

that works for Batman, but I don't think it works

for Superman. What are you talking about? Man,

hold on, my heart just skipped a beat. Where

were the other drugs going? I'm happy with that.

I like how Marvel is like, you know what, we

can have fun with it. We can we can be serious

when we need to be serious, but we're going to

be kind of ridiculous and not shy away from that.

So I did like that. And I did like how they're

going full sci fi with it. They're not holding

back at all. So but Chuck, what did you think?

I actually am probably one of the few that didn't

care too much for the trailer. How dare you?

I mean, it's. Don't get me wrong. I think the

movie is going to be great. But my problem with

the trailer was I think they went too funny.

I think it looked really like Men in Black -ish.

I think they just tried to go too goofy. I would

have liked to seen some serious element to it.

I really didn't. I don't know. I didn't get it.

You're probably going to get that in another

trailer later on. Yeah. I mean the... I'm really

looking forward to when they release like the

second or third trailer for it. I do think I

agree with Dan I think they're trying to trying

to make it sell with the comedy This is like

a nitpicky kind of thing But I think them leaving

that song play while the Guardians of the Galaxy

words come onto the screen I think they kind

of let it play too long. I don't know. I thought

that was great That they left it playing that

long. Yeah, I mean I did I asked a few people

that I know, I sent them this trailer, kind of

asked them what they thought about it. Kind of

get some mixed reactions, like these are people

that aren't really comic fans, but you know,

some of them said it looked like kind of interesting,

other ones, a couple people said it looked kind

of stupid. Which you're going to have that. Actually,

I thought it was interesting. A couple of people

told me they didn't think it was a real movie

because they actually saw it on, I believe it

was Jimmy Kimmel, where they showed the trailer.

Yeah, that was the premiere, right? Yeah, yeah.

And a couple of people, they know how he like

does... Improv stuff and makes up his own stuff

and a couple people told me that they thought

it was one of his like Fake things like they

didn't think it was a real movie. Yes. Yes the

Special effects department Jimmy Kim alive. It

has that great CGI skill pretty make a animated

raccoon and Talking tree he is on ABC now. So

Like I don't want to be a total downer here,

but I mean I like the comedy But I kind of like

when it's more like sprinkled in To me the first

Thor was kind of a hard sell too because people

are like, okay It's this other world, you know

kind of looks like some other things we've seen

before and I think they made that look kind of

serious but just a couple of sprinkles of comedy

and the reason I would like to see them do this

more with Guardians is cuz like I know there's

like a There's a great story behind this movie.

I don't want people to think it's like a big

joke. I'm just worried about that happening,

I guess. See, I think with the comedy that they

were throwing out, they had kind of the first

Iron Man kind of vibe to it with this trailer,

with that kind of humor that Robert Downey Jr.

was bringing. It was a little bit different comedy,

but I thought they were just trying to get in

the same lines as the first Iron Man kind of.

Yeah, I see what you're saying. I just think

they like it just carried through the whole trailer

from beginning to end and like no towards the

end it was it was getting more serious with the

action and More serious looks on their faces

and everything. There wasn't a lot of words or

serious talk going on But it was a lot of serious

action and more serious visuals Yeah, definitely

think it's gonna sell because after all you got

the big red Marvel logo on it and the comedy

is going to attract some people, but I guess

I'm more excited to see the second trailer and

see what kind of... I don't know, I guess I'm

just a Thanos fan and I'm like, this Infinity

Gauntlet stuff and I'm like, give it to me. I

want to see where this is going. But yeah, not

bad. There's pretty exciting stuff. Yeah, so

definitely let us know what you guys think of

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welcome back and like I mentioned we'll be counting

down our top five movies and TV shows and you

might be wondering Well, why are you doing that

now? And actually it's in response to a letter

we received from Eric Hutchinson, I believe,

and basically he was talking about how we discuss

movies and TV shows and recommend or not recommend,

and it's like, well, I kind of don't know what

your tastes are because I just started listening

to it, so I don't know what you guys enjoy, which

I'm like, that's a good point. And he mentioned

doing some of our favorite lists of movies, TV

shows, comics, and stuff like that. So we're

going to steal his idea. make it our own. That's

what we do here. And we're going to be counting

down our top five movies and TV shows. And we'll

start with TV. You know what? I'm going to start

with Chuck here. And we're just going to go around

Robin, so much like what we did with Factor Fiction.

And we're not going to go great in depth. I think

probably a lot of the stuff we're talking about,

you probably heard of. But what's interesting

is we don't know each other's lists. So funny

thing is like I I have an idea what might be

on yours. When I was having dinner with my wife

today, she was trying to come up with what she

thinks they are. So we'll see if she was right

or not. But I'll start with Chuck. So Chuck,

what is your number five top TV show of all time

or favorite TV show? Well, I just want to preface

it by saying I have one position definitely set,

but these aren't really in any particular order.

I want one position. I want all positions. That's

a clue for one of my top movies choices there.

It's a clue. I thought we talked about the naughty

list, Greg. What's that? I thought we talked

about the naughty list with Santa. Didn't he

say you were in a lather? Santa approved that

one. He thought it was awesome. I am Santa Claus

and I approve this message. I guess I'll go with,

this is a toss -up, but I probably have to go

with John Doe. Really, really into that show.

I know I talked about it a little bit on... I

think it was the first episode of our podcast.

I mentioned how it stars Dominic Purcell, which

is a guy from Prison Break and he was in Blade

Trinity, played Dracula. It's kind of like a

cop drama, but he's like a savant and helps the

cops solve their problems that they can't figure

out and stuff. At the same time, he's trying

to figure out who he is. Just really, really

into that show. just enjoy that a lot very nice

yeah i honestly never heard of that before you

brought it up so i've been meaning to check it

out along with like a million tv shows and i'm

sure by the end of this i'm gonna have a lot

of more tv shows and movies i need to watch which

is not good for me because i have enough as is

uh but my number five is the show i know you

guys haven't watched because similar to you chuck

this is one i brought up previously and this

was really hard coming up with my number five

it's been like eight different choices i should

say i thought of certain shows but i'm like that's

more like a mini series i thought of cartoons

for my child but I thought I'd hold off on those

because I could almost be a separate thing. But

for my number five, I went with 24, the famous

Keith Sutherland show. And when I was into this,

I was super into this. It kind of tails off the

last few seasons, but when it works, it works

really well. It's exciting. Every episode makes

you want to go on to the next one. Peter Sutherland

is fantastic in it as Jack Bauer, who is an amazing

character. If you love him or hate him, he's

very questionable with his Morales for sure.

But a lot of fun, a great concept that really

works. It could have been just a gimmick, but

actually it made itself into a really good show

and I'm excited it's coming back this year. So

that is my number five. It was 24. Nice. All

right, Greg, your moment of truth. What is your

number five? I have no numbers on my list. No,

not meaning I don't have like a show like 24,

but I don't have them in any particular order.

I'm the only one because I have OCD when it comes

with lists. I'm actually making my list of my

favorite lists right now. But anyways, sorry

if you are. That's fine. I'm gonna go with a

movie that was turned into a much better TV show

I think. And it's a classic. It was on the air

for years. I watched it all the time with my

family. We'll sit down to dinner and sit around

the table. And we always have the TV on for dinner.

And when it was on that time slot, we always

watch M .A .S .H. For the entree today? Here

it comes. Steady. We have liver or fish? I didn't

hear you say that. Because it isn't possible.

It's inhuman to serve the same food day after

day. The Geneva Convention prohibits the killing

of our taste buds. Easy. I simply cannot eat

the same food every day. Fish, liver, day after

day. I've eaten a river of liver and an ocean

of fish. I've eaten so much fish, I'm ready to

grow gills. I've eaten so much liver, I can only

make love if I'm smothered in bacon and onions.

Are we gonna stand for this? Are we gonna let

them do this to us? No, I say, no! We're not

gonna eat this drank anymore! We want something

else! We want something else! We want something

else! If you watched the first half of its existence,

it was super funny and towards the end, it gets

kind of a little bit depressing kind of when

Alan Alda takes over but I think the beginnings

of it kind of make up for that one season that

was kind of depressing and I just think it's

a classic show. I think it's really humorous

and I loved Alan Aldo when he was playing a little

bit funnier Hawkeye Pierce and all that. It's

just got great humor that kind of lasts through

time. It's just a classic and they had some great

characters on there and plus hearing Colonel

Potter singing. which always gets stuck in my

head. I like to go swimming with bow -legged

women and swim between their legs as he's taking

a shower. Don't we all? Don't we all? That song's

just always been stuck in my head since I saw

that episode. I love that guy. He is hilarious.

Yeah. Well, I guess I'll be afraid to admit I've

never watched MASH, so I am... You have to get

on it, Dan. I do, I do. All right, Chuck, back

to you. What is your next one? My next one, I'm

going to say home improvement. Oh no. I think

we talked about it last episode actually, too.

It came up on our podcast. This is definitely

my favorite comedy of all time and I have great

memories of watching this growing up as a kid.

It has some extra meaning because my dad was

a contractor, but he was way better than Tim

Allen was. I think we mentioned before, I love

their Christmas episodes, their Halloween episodes,

and you know, even those things like the man's

bathroom and the man's kitchen. Welcome to our

tool time salute. Food fight! To college! In

today's competitive college environment, a young

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Ladies and gentlemen, say hello to the man's

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The operative word in this dorm room is efficiency.

Most college students don't have time to do laundry,

so it piles up, cluttering the workspace. Hey,

Rumi, what are we gonna do with all this laundry?

Not to worry. We modified this little trash compactor.

Ha ha, perfect. Hard to believe there's 16 weeks

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Just five more. For the stubborn sleeper. I've

added one more little thing. What? Let's say

you're having the captain of the cheerleaders

over for a little late night studying. And you

don't want flannel boy listening in. What? Whenever

I see that show on TV, I have to watch it. Very

nice, very nice. My next woman number four is...

The most recent one on my list, it's one that

just ended recently. I don't know if you guys

watch this. I don't think Chuck has, Greg might

have, but because it is on Netflix currently

and that is Breaking Bad. To me, like haven't

seen it. Haven't seen it. It is quite amazing.

It's Bryan Cranston. You know, people know him

from, well now obviously know him from Breaking

Bad, but seeing his character from Malcolm in

the Middle and seeing him in this, it's just

his acting is just phenomenal as that show goes

on. Aaron Paul's also fantastic. It's very much

a character study. Who are you talking to right

now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know

how much I make a year? I mean, even if I told

you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what

would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going

into work? A business big enough that it could

be listed on the NASDAQ goes belly up. It disappears.

It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly

don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue

you in. I am not in dangers. I am the danger.

A guy opens his door and gets shot and you think

that of me? No. I am the one who knocks. It is

so tightly woven. It goes in interesting places.

It's so well edited. It looks fantastic. To me,

it's like set the standard for television today.

And the last eight episodes are some of the best

television movies. I've ever seen. Just Bryan

Cranston and a lot of the characters are so on

point. There's this episode called Osmosis, which

is one of the, I would say, my top five TV shows

of episodes of all time. It just ties everything

together so nicely. It's so sad and tragic. And

I just love that show so much. I was late getting

on to that bandwagon of Breaking Bad, but once

I did, I could not get off of it. So that is

my number four. How about yourself, Greg? I'll

stick with another comedy. It's a little bit

more modern and I've been recommending it to

pretty much everybody that I know. It's a show

called The League. It's basically about these

guys brought together to play fantasy football

and pretty much rag on each other. It's your

typical, well, it's not like our fantasy football

league. We're much tamer than these guys much

much tamer, but these are a bunch of asshole

guys kind of going at each other being real big

douchebags to each other which just leads to

Whole bunch of humor. It's kind of a dirty show.

So if you're a little bit more Have a little

bit more of a cleaner mindset. I really wouldn't

recommend it to you, but I just think it's hilarious

I'll watch it on Netflix And I've watched it

multiple times at this point, which Netflix needs

to really catch up with a lot of my shows and

my top five here. But I watch that over and over

again, and I just laugh my ass off every time

I watch it. So The League, check it out, people.

Yeah, I've seen a few episodes and I do agree.

It is very funny. And I think even if you're

not a fantasy football fan or football fan, there's

still a lot there to find funny. There is Paul

Scheer, you know, Andy Kindler. They're all pretty

hilarious and they're all kind of getting really

big right now. They don't have so much going

on. So it's a show that thing that launched a

lot of careers or helped launch a lot of careers,

I should say. All right. Bringing it back to

Chuck, what is next on your list? Next up for

me is something that I talk about a lot and that's

Arrow. My wife was right. She thought this would

be on your list. It's not hard to imagine, but

I think I... Mention it probably every week because

I actually have a contract with DC and CW You

know, I have to mention it at some point during

every episode I won't talk too much about it

But it's I just think it's a great show already

and it's kind of in its youth You know being

only kind of the beginning of this second season

or the middle of the second season I love the

dual storyline of what happened in the past on

the island and what's happening in the present

and I think they're tying the dual storylines

in very nicely, too. I know you guys have both

seen the first season, but when you get to the

second season, you start seeing them like really

tying those two in. And I'm having a great time

watching. I think it's really awesome. Very nice.

Very nice. And my next one, I think I don't know

if there'll be crossover on this list, but if

one spot is on my list that there might be crossover,

I think it's here. And we've talked about this

show a few times already. Yes, it is The Office.

It's my all -time favorite comedy. I love that

show. I love the characters. It speaks to me

on so many levels. I love awkward comedy. I love

Steve Carell. I love the mockumentary style of

it. I find it endlessly quotable. I love the

characters. I love the relationships with the

characters, especially like with Dwight and Jim

and their rivalry. Michael Scott to me is an

amazing character who can be a complete joke,

but there are serious moments that really work

in that show as well. It does go on for like

a season too long or maybe a couple of seasons

too long. But when it's on, like it's first,

I'd say five seasons up to where Steve Crowley

is, I think are brilliant. So I love that show.

Alright, Greg, how about you? What's next on

your list? I think you were thinking that I was

going to cross over with you on that one, Dan.

I thought so. I thought there might be a chance.

No, because I kind of have a big British presence

for my last three picks here. I don't think many

of the people listening to this are going to

be really interested in the show that I'm going

to say here. I'm really into Top Gear, not the

American version. I've never seen the American

version, but I love the British, UK, United Kingdom.

However, their geography works over there. No

one knows. Yeah. Oh, it's Great Britain. This

is England. This is Scotland. It's just weird.

But anyway, one of the funniest shows I've seen,

Jeremy Clarkson is... hilarious and they have

awesome segments where they do strange things

with cars weird competitions of oh we're going

to make a train out of cars and try and make

it better than the actual trains that they have

on the tracks over in Britain right now and arguments

ensue that are hilarious and Jeremy Clarkson

will go off on his own to do stuff they None

of them are mechanically inclined at all and

just scenarios that they get themselves into.

It's just one of the funniest things on TV. My

boss will watch the show and he has no interest

in cars whatsoever and his wife even watches

it and she has no interest in cars whatsoever.

But they think the show is hilarious and my boss

even bought his latest vehicle here just from

the recommendation from that show. So it's great.

It's getting car people, non -car people interested

in cars. Is that also on Netflix? It is on Netflix.

There's... I think it's about... seven or eight

seasons on Netflix and usually the end episode

there, they have a challenge where they have

three cars where they go to an exotic or a different

location and kind of drive from... one spot to

the next to see if the cars will survive the

trip. It's a great show. I highly recommend,

even if you're not into cars, to sit down and

give it a shot. There's a couple more serious

episodes in a season, but if you stick it out

for ones that are a little bit more comedic,

it's well worth it. Very nice. Very nice. Yeah,

I've again another show I've never watched but

I've heard so much about from people talking

honestly a lot from the Nerdist because I think

they talk about that show. I've never actually

heard them talk about that show on Nerdist. I

think, no, it's not, I guess it's other British

shows, but I thought they mentioned it here and

there, but... I've never heard them talk about

it because I don't think Chris Hardwick is that

interested in Clark's people. No, no, that's

true. I think he'd get a kick out of it though.

Jeremy Clarkson is the funniest man. All right,

Chuck, bringing it back to you. Well, my next

up for me is one that I am comfortable at putting

at my number two spot, and that is Jericho. This

was a show that's kind of like a post -apocalyptic

type of show. It centers around one small town,

which is Jericho, Kansas. Basically, there was

a nuclear, some type of nuclear attack on various

cities and the show kind of chronicles like what

the town goes through as things are kind of thrust

into the dark ages so to speak. It's really similar

to The Walking Dead I think, minus the zombies

of course but... I think it's a portrayal of

like survival and you know what would actually

happen in that situation. I think it's like kind

of spot -on. They have some really well -timed

reveals and cliffhangers and stuff like that

and it's another show kind of like John Doe that

only went one season but there was certain fans

that liked it so much that they caused enough

of a ruckus that they sent in I think it was

peanuts or something into the studio yeah yeah

to kind of make the point that they were nuts

for canceling it but there was also something

on the show which I don't quite remember there

was something on the show of some kind of story

that is the main character's father or grandfather

was or some relative was involved in a war and

there was some story where he had a quote about

peanuts and so The fans sent in peanuts because

of that story element. Yeah. And they actually

ended up making eight more episodes to kind of

just to kind of wrap things up for the fans and

give them a little bit of closure. But I would

definitely recommend checking that show out.

I think the first full season is on Netflix,

if I'm not mistaken. It is. Very nice, Chuck.

Again, there's a lot of shows I have not watched

on television, so I remember you talking about

that show, and so I will have to as well check

that out, bringing it to my number two. And this,

similar to how the office took place in Scranton,

that place I used to live, this show takes place

in the city that I currently live, and that is

The Wire, and it's a show I absolutely adore.

I don't know if you guys have seen it at all.

It's not a show for everyone. It's a very slow

paced show. It takes its time for those that

don't see it. It really gets into, it's kind

of like a cop show, but not necessarily because

it gets to every angle. Every season has like

a different focus. Like the first season is really

on the drug war. Then it gets into politics.

It gets into the school systems. It gets into

the paper and with all these different characters.

And I don't think there's a show out there that

has more, more strong characters than the wire.

So you rob drug dealers. This is what you do.

Yes, sir. You walk the streets of Baltimore with

a gun, taking what you want when you want it,

willing to use violence when your demands aren't

met, this is who you are. Why should we believe

your testimony then? Why believe anything you

say? It's up to y 'all, really. You say you aren't

here testifying against the defendant because

of any deal you made with police. True that.

That you're here because you... You want to tell

the truth about what happened to Mr. Gant and

that housing project parking lot? Yep. When,

in fact, you are exactly the kind of person who

would, if you felt you needed to, shoot a man

down on a housing project parking lot and then

lie to the police about it. Would you not? And

look, I ain't never put my gun on no citizen.

You are a moral. Are you not? You are feeding

off the violence and the despair of the drug

trade. You're stealing from those who themselves

are stealing the lifeblood from our city. You

are a parasite who leeches off the culture of

drugs. Excuse me? What? I got the shotgun. I

got the briefcase. It's on the game, though,

right? And there's a lot of people who kind of

got their careers launched with the wires. Like,

probably most famously, Idris Elba, who's been

in so much lately. Most recently, like Pacific

Rim, he was Nelson Mandela. He started as Stringer

Bell. And along with so many other great characters,

there's like Omar. He's one of my all time favorite

TV characters of all time. It's really realistic.

It's very true to life. It is so, especially

in every minute detail. It really is a great

representation of what Baltimore is like in certain

areas, of course. But I love the show. It's not

necessarily a show that you're going to want

to watch over and over again or show you can

just pick up like a random episode because everything

builds upon itself so much. Kind of like rolling

ball that gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

And I love it so much. It's to me one of the

best meet shows I've ever seen. Enough of me.

So Greg, on to you. What is next on your list?

Another British show. I was pretty sure this

would have made it onto your list, Dan, but so

far it hasn't. With one left, I'm not sure if

it will. But we've talked about it before, and

that show is Sherlock. So we can read her emails,

so what? Anderson, don't talk out loud. You lower

the IQ of the whole street. We can do much more

than just read her emails. It's a smartphone.

It's got GPS. It's not the American version elementary.

It's the much better British version with Benedict

Cumberpatch doing a great job as Sherlock Holmes.

It kind of got me really into Sherlock Holmes,

and I kind of found some... An old TV show of

Sherlock Holmes that's also on Netflix. I forget

the exact name of it, but... Sherlock Holmes?

Yeah, it's another one. It's an older version.

It's a little bit more classic Sherlock Holmes.

It got me into watching that and I've even bought

Barnes & Noble's Sherlock Holmes book that I've

read that is the complete collection of them,

which if you're going to buy... Sherlock Holmes

collection, do not buy that one. It is full of

grammatical errors and typos, but... Really?

Yeah, it was riddled with it. I think they spelled

the word with an exclamation point. I'm being

completely serious when I say that one of the

words was spelled with an exclamation point,

but I don't even really have much to say. I think

we said it in other shows. We kind of sang its

praises, but... It's a great show. It's a modern

take on Sherlock Holmes. It's just mind -blowing.

And I wish Netflix had Season 2 on there already,

but they don't. And I can't remember when it's

on PBS. And I won't remember. It should be coming

out on soon. The Season 3 DVD, I think, is coming

out either this week or next week. It almost

ran out of my list. It was my number five. I

went back and forth with number five so many

times. There's other ones we might talk about.

The office almost made it onto my list, so. Yeah.

We both had ones that just missed out on each

other's list. Yeah. I do love that show. That

show is so, I don't know, it's perfect to me.

The only thing is like, there's one episode or

two episodes that I don't love as much as the

other one, so you only have like, you know, six

episodes. It takes it down a little bit, but

it is pretty amazing, so. Chuck, your last one.

What's your last, I guess not necessarily maybe

your number one, but what is the last one on

your list? Well, this one for me actually is

my number one, hands down. Probably not too hard

to predict for you guys because you know me,

but that is Smallville. Dude, your drawing sucks.

Stick to the hero thing. You mean like returning

a priceless artifact to its owner? Karen, all

that money would just slow me down anyway. To

a dead stop if I hadn't found you. How did you

do that? What are you, fast, strong, and psychic?

I wish. I spent a whole night down in suicide

slums trying to convince someone that I had a

thousand of these defense. A few guys pointing

me in the direction of hannison. Look at you,

channeling your inner criminal. So, um, what

are you gonna do now? I don't know. I mean, it's

a big world. We gotta check it out. See if there's

anyone else out there like us. Maybe start like

a club or a league or something. You know you

could come with me. Or you could stay. You have

a great life, Clark, but it's not mine. I have

no reason to stay in Smallville. You have me.

My favorite show of all time, hands down. I really

relate - related to this show. mostly because

of the farm. I grew up on a farm a little bit.

It was always around my age group. And third

of all, I like Superman anyway. So I really enjoyed

watching them take the reins and go where they

wanted to with his background. I thought that

was something that they didn't have to really

follow the comics very closely. And as you know,

the show went for 10 seasons. So they really

had a lot of time to explore. you know, how he

grew up and developed his relationship with,

like, Lex and stuff like that. I think I mentioned

one of our podcast episodes, how great I thought

Michael Rosenbaum was as Lex Luthor. I think

he was probably the best actor in the show. But

another good actor I thought was John Schneider,

which was he played Jonathan Kent. He's also

the guy from the old Duke's Hazard Show. Yeah.

Got themselves in a whole heap of trouble again.

That was pretty impressive, Greg. I'm not gonna

lie. Nice. But I think him as Jonathan Kent,

he's a really strong character in this show.

Up until, you know, spoiler, he dies. He's a

really strong character in this and they kind

of, I think, intended that. He's kind of like

the guiding force, the guiding figure for Clark

growing up and that's really where he developed

his morality and stuff and I just think like...

Just all that together, but especially like Michael

Rosenbaum and John Schneider playing Jonathan

Kent, like all that stuff guiding Superman. I

mean, Tom Welling does a good job too, but I

think they nailed a lot of things in that show,

and it's definitely my all -time favorite. Very

nice, very nice. My number one, I guess, interesting

enough, we might not have any crossover in this,

which is kind of mind -blowing when you think

about it, but my number one is The West Wing,

a show, again, that I adore. Obviously, it's

my number one favorite show of all time. I can

watch it endlessly. A lot of great characters.

Just like Bartlett. Bradley Whitford is in this.

I've ever sensed this. I've been a huge fan of

him. Great use of comedic comedy as well as seriousness

written by Aaron Sorkin who's a very smart writer.

He knows his stuff. It's very political based

but it's... That's not what I really like about

it. I just love the characters and the relationship.

How it handles that. How it builds upon itself.

It has my favorite television episode of all

time called Toothed Cathedral. You're a son of

a bitch, you know that? She bought her first

new car and you hit her with a drunk driver.

What? Was that supposed to be funny? You can't

conceive, nor can I, of the appalling strangeness

of the mercy of God, says Graham Greene. I don't

know whose ass he was kissing there, because

I think you're just vindictive. What was Josh

Lyman, a warning shot? That was my son. What

did I ever do to yours but praise his glory and

praise his name? There's a tropical storm that's

gaining speed and power. They say we haven't

had a storm this bad since you took out that

tender ship of mine in the North Atlantic last

year. 68 crew. You know what a tender ship does?

Fixes the other ships. Doesn't even carry guns.

Just goes around, fixes the other ships, and

delivers the mail. That's all it can do. Gracias,

Tibiago Domine. Yes, I lied. It was a sin. I've

committed many sins. Have I displeased you, you

feckless thug? 3 .8 million new jobs? That wasn't

good? bailed out Mexico, increased foreign trade,

30 million new acres of land for conservation,

put Mendoza on the bench. We're not fighting

a war. I've raised three children. That's not

enough to buy me out of the doghouse. You get

horns. Such an emotionally packed episode for

an hour and it's just really well made Like I

said into I think what really makes it work is

the levity and how it can take on some serious

issues But do it in a smart interesting way and

and it can be rather fair I know people say it's

very politically biased and there's no doubt,

but I think there are moments where it does approach

both sides equally and beyond that I just think

it's a really smart show that kind of redefined

television. I think it's really responsible for

like this Renaissance We're having today because

you took You know movie level actors movie level

talent and put them on television and made a

really amazing show So that is my number one

the west wing. All right, greg. It is your moment

of truth again What is number one or what is

last on your list? It's doctor who I had no idea

you even like doctor who I love doctor who wait

doctor who? Yes, Doctor Who. The man, the myth,

the legend, the time wobbly, jombly. I said that

all wrong. Everybody's gonna get on my ass about

that. I hope I did the TARDIS correctly. I kind

of cut you off there, so I apologize. That's

fine. I was kind of going a little bit too far

with it anyway. Taking it too far? Is that what

you're saying? Yeah. As a big sci -fi fan, Doctor

Who is just kind of the ultimate. I don't even

think on a website like Decast Radio that I really

have to save my whys of why Doctor Who is an

awesome show. It's got tons of fans, especially

ladies just love it. Everybody's got their favorite

doctor. It's just kind of weird, eccentric. It's

awesome. It kind of goes into this B -rated type

of sci -fi, but you can't say that it's B -rated

at all because it just does it perfectly. The

storylines are amazing and just there's always

these things running in the background that always

become The last episode just ties in all this

stuff from the background that you're not even

really paying attention to but comes up in a

big way at the end of it. It's just a great,

great show. BBC is just putting a lot of great

stuff out there for people to watch, so I'd highly

recommend Doctor Who for the very few that haven't

seen it. I don't think Chuck would really be

interested in it, but maybe... Maybe Dan would

like it. I've seen a good deal of like the rebirth

of the first season. I need to get back and watch

it though. Chris Eccleston is an all right doctor.

It gets a lot better with David Tennant who is

a big fan favorite. I'm not that interested in

the older ones. I thought they moved kind of

slow. Do you have a favorite doctor? Um, it's,

it's David Tennant followed very, very closely

by, uh, the, the current doctor who is, I believe

on the outs if he isn't already, but Netflix

hasn't really updated, uh, the Doctor Who, uh,

seasons, uh, as of late. Um, I'm still waiting

for him to do that with, uh, with a bated breath,

but it's, it's definitely David Tennant. Matt

Smith is right on his heels though. Yeah. I was

going to ask you if you, they just... not just

with recently they have a new doctor now it's

you know a little it's Peter Cullen I think he's

a little bit he's a little older gentleman they've

the the recent ones have Chris Eichelsten is

I think a little bit more towards middle age

but David Tennant is a little bit younger and

Matt Smith is was kind of super young for the

role. Yeah, yeah. I have to get on Doctor Who.

I hear so much amazing things about it. I know

a lot of people talk about it. Like you said,

there's a huge fan base out there. But I personally

just haven't gotten into it yet. But I think

once I do, I will like it. Yeah, you'll hit it

and it hits back. Nice. I appreciate that. When

they reciprocate the hitting. It's like Carol.

I will make a bad joke. Yeah, except that she

hits harder than I do and yeah, anyways Let me

call slowly crawl out of this hole and we can

move on to the next section of this top five

That is our top five favorite movies of all time.

So I guess we'll continue the order We've been

going now. I'm wondering if we'll have a crossover

here. I think we might have a chance I thought

we'd have some with the TV, but that was not

the case So let's see what happens with our top

five favorite movies shock. So we'll start with

you again Yeah, I'm gonna predict that no one

has any crossover with mine, but we shall see.

But my first one that I'm gonna mention is Tombstone.

This is far and away my favorite western of all

time, and I think it's kind of impressive that

it makes it into my top five movies of all time.

I think it's just a terrifically crafted movie.

all the way around. It's historically accurate.

There's great actors who I think really performed

their potential. I mean it's kind of a star -studded

lineup. I mean you have like Kurt Russell, Val

Kilmer, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, Powers Booth,

but I think they all work really well together.

The movie like really keeps you I guess cheering

for the good guys like non -stop all the way

through. There's there's camaraderie and brotherhood

kind of where the guys Form this band and just

want to kind of wipe out the other the rival

Bad guys, which are the Cowboys they call them.

There's some great action. There's classic Western

Shootouts and gunfights, but it's done like it's

not campy at all. It's like done really well

I think an underrated part of this movie is the

music. I think this movie has iconic music I

think the score just like gets you pumped and

excited like throughout the whole film. So if

If you haven't seen Tombstone, I think it's the

type of Western that can get you to like Westerns

if you don't already. So I would definitely recommend

that. Very nice, very nice. Yes, I do. I do enjoy

myself in Tombstone and I will say there is a

Western on my list, but it's not Tombstone. So

I'm curious what your feelings of that one are.

Starting with my list, it's not a Western, but

it's a sports film and it's a sports film from

our youth. And I don't know if you guys are fans

of this, I'm assuming. Cool Runnings? Not cool

running but Chuck you mentioned that with Smallville

that he related into a lot because it with the

farm aspect and growing up on a farm and I think

I related to this movie a lot too because growing

up I played so much played a lot of sports most

my summers were playing baseball fall playing

football and all that great stuff playing basketball

and with my friends in the neighborhood and This

movie came out. I loved it as a kid. There are

certain movies as a kid that you watch as an

adult and you're like, how did I ever like that?

But this is not the case with this film. I think

it's one that stands up even stands the test

of time and still works as an adult. And that

movie is, of course, The Sandlot. I love The

Sandlot. It's so much fun. It's undeniably quotable.

You play ball like a girl forever. You're killing

me smalls. I love that movie. I have a poster

of it on my wall right now. I find it really

fun. And like I said, it's just a movie that

I've loved. most of my life so really not much

more you can say of it if you have not seen Sandlot

i don't know what's wrong with you but have you

guys like Sandlot i don't know i don't want to

talk about if it's on your list i don't know

if it will be but it's not on my list but i do

i do enjoy that quite a bit that's it that's

a great movie i i do enjoy that movie as well

even though i'm not a big baseball fan at all

all right it does have great quotes though it

really does yeah it does yes yes and the beast

and so much all right greg Onto you, what's the

top of your list? Well, I think I'm gonna need

your guys' help introducing this one. When there's

something strange in your neighborhood, who are

you gonna call? Ghostbusters! I had some weird

voices on that one. We went both directions on

that. You have completely different directions.

I went with the ghastly whisper, so... Oh, is

that what that was? I don't know what mine was.

It was wrong. I thought Chuck was going for a

Batman and I have no idea what you were going

for, Dan. I'm trying to be quiet because I think

there's a ghost in my house, actually. I'm Winston

Zeddemore, Your Honor. I've only been with the

company for a couple of weeks, but I got to tell

you, these things are real. Since I joined these

men, I have seen shit that'll turn you white.

Well, you can believe, Mr. Pecker. My name is

Peck. Or you could accept the fact that this

city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportion.

What do you mean, biblical? What do you mean,

this Old Testament, Mr. Mayor? Real Wrath of

God -type stuff. Exactly. Fire and brimstone

coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling.

Forty years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes.

The dead rising from the grave. Human sacrifice,

dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria.

Enough! I get the point. But what if you're wrong?

If I'm wrong, nothing happens. We go to jail

peacefully, quietly. We'll enjoy it. But if I'm

right and we can stop this thing, Lenny, you

will have saved the lives of millions of registered

voters. It's just a classic movie and I actually,

I have trouble, I've said it before, my memory

is terrible and trying to remember my childhood

is not that easy for me. But I believe it's one

of the two movies from my childhood that got

me into science fiction or horror genre. And

this one's got three of my favorite actors, comedian

actors. Dan Aykroyd, who I enjoy pretty much

everything that he's he's been in. Even that

really bad one with Chevy Chase and he plays

the judge. I still love that movie. Oh, nothing

but trouble. Yes, it is awful. But I love that

one. And everybody should check out. They did.

How did this get made of that movie, actually?

It also has Rick Moranis who kind of, he has

run through my childhood many a times with Honey

I Shrunk the Kids movies and Ghostbusters and

then I'm pretty sure this man is everybody's

favorite and I've kind of mentioned him on the

podcast before but it's got Bill Murray. He is

essentially the lead character in this movie

and it's just got these great special effects,

these great characters, great CGI characters.

even. It's got Slimer and it's got the Stay Puft

Marshmallow Man. I actually have in my room still

from when I was a child, I have a stuffed Stay

Puft Marshmallow Man. He's got glowing eyes,

a glow in the dark mouth and a little butt tag

on him. I have a plastic one of those, like a

little plastic action figure of those. It's probably

awesome because Stay Puft Marshmallow Man is

awesome and... I love the angry face. And the

show led to another movie, which don't think

it went over as well, but I still love that movie

too. And it also led up to a cartoon that I frequently

watched, which was The Real Ghostbusters. I wish

I could see those again, but I haven't really

found those on Netflix. And I don't think I've

really seen them where you could order the DVDs

of those at all. Maybe I'm just not looking hard

enough for or whatever. But yeah Ghostbusters

is definitely a Great movie if you ask me. Yeah,

it's one of my all -time favorites, too It's

not my top five but it's in my top 20 and I love

that movie, too Never I just remember being a

kid and wanting a proton pack so much because

they had all those toys and like you Greg I watched

that cartoon so much. It's did you have the ecto

one toy? No, but I did drink. What was it called,

the Kool -Aid flavor? The Slimer, Ecto. Yeah.

Yeah, I remember that, but I don't remember what

the name of it is. Yeah, Ghostwatch just is such

a classic. And funny that my wife, Carol, that's

her one in her top five favorite films. Excellent.

We'll have to get together and watch that some

night when we're all together. yeah definitely

it'd be a bonding experience for carolyn and

i because we have so few bonding moments don't

cross the streams all right chuck back to you

okay next up for me is blade i knew that was

gonna get in your top A lot of people probably

don't like this movie. They probably think it's

campy or lame or whatever. But I absolutely get

lost in the world of Blade. I mean, there's just

something about it. I can't quite put my finger

on it. But just this idea of like a hidden world,

you know, vampires are hiding right under our

noses and Blade kind of wages this war every

night. And it's like the same, you know, it's

the same war every night, kind of an endless

war. I think Wesley Snipes is perfect for the

role of Blade with a capital P. I think it's

one of the greatest comic book movie castings

of all time. When I think of Blade, I think of

Wesley Snipes. Like, I don't think of the comic

version at all. The martial arts choreography

in this movie is great, and I do kind of have

a thing for martial arts movies too, so that

part of it really intrigues me. But, you know,

there's some awesome weapons. This whole story

of having all their strengths, none of their

weaknesses. And the other great thing, actually,

I think is Stephen Dorff, who plays the villain.

I think he is really great in this, too. He plays

Deacon Frost. I think he plays a great villain.

He really doesn't do those types of movies that

much, but I think he pulled it off incredibly.

And like the last one, I think the movie, the

music in this film is epic, too. I mean, it really

takes me into the world and just makes you feel.

Like you're there. I can't really explain it.

Yeah. Yeah, I do. I actually like Blade 2 more

than Blade 1. I like Blade 2 better as well,

Dan. It is directed by Gu Del Toro, who has come

up in every episode. Well, that's why we love

it. It is a toss -up for me. It's very close

as to which one I like better, but one quick

tidbit. I'm not sure if you guys know, but at

the end of the first Blade movie, there's actually

like some deleted scenes and They actually had

some plans in the very beginning that Morbius

was going to be one of the villains in one of

the deleted scenes where he is on the rooftop

with that girl and they're just kind of talking

and he just defeated Deacon Frost and they look

over on a building and there's a figure with

like a kind of a cape, like a flowing cape like

Morbius. I guess it was supposed to be him. So

I thought that was an interesting little deleted

scene. Actually, I did not know that. Did I?

Fun fact. From my next one Chuck you had a western

to start off your list and this is my western

it's my all -time favorite western mainly because

it has my all -time favorite actor of all time

a guy that I'm just so impressed with his career

I think he's honestly the best actor of all time

just because he can do everything he could be

the hero he could be the villain he could be

serious he could be comedic his career went nearly

40 years he and that actor is Paul Newman and

that movie is Butch Cassidy and the Sundance

Kid with starring him and Robert Wetford as the

notorious outlaws. Would you make a jump like

that you didn't have to I have to and I'm not

gonna well we got to otherwise we're dead They're

just gonna have to go back down the same way.

They come come on. Just one clear shot. That's

all I want We got to get away from me. I want

to fight them. They'll kill us. Maybe you want

to die do you? All right I'll jump first. No,

then you jump first. No, I said what's the matter

with you? I can't swim Why are you crazy? The

fall will probably kill you. It's a very light

western, I would say, in the fact that it's very

entertaining. It's not as epic of a scope as

something like Once Upon a Time in the West,

or the Good and Bad and Ugly. More entertaining,

it's a western that's almost more for modern

audiences in some ways. I love the comedy, I

love the relationship between the characters.

I just think it's a very fun, also quotable in

some ways. I just, I don't know, I love Butch

Cassidy. It's a movie that I kind of caught up

to, you know, a few years ago and I watched it.

Every time I've watched it, I've enjoyed it more.

So I don't know if you guys had the opportunity

to see that. For all the Westerns that my dad

has watched over the years and how many I've

watched with him, I don't think I have ever watched

that movie at all. Yeah, I'm kind of in the same

boat. I think I may have seen it a long time

ago, but I really don't remember much about it.

I do like Paul Newman, though. I agree with you

there. Next time you guys come over, we just

have some homework to do. We got Ghostbusters

and we gone. I probably won't watch it, Dan.

I'm so sick of Westerns. No offense. I'm so sick

of Westerns. I'm gonna make you watch it, Greg.

I've seen so many. I've seen Rio Bravo and El

Dorado, which are essentially the same movie.

I've seen them over ten times a piece probably.

I think this will be okay though because it's

a very soft one. Can I hold my hand, Dan, while

we watch it? Yes, I will guide you through, Greg.

It'll be okay. You can cry my shoulder if you

need to. Anyways, back to you, Greg. What is

next on your list? See, I'll go with the one

where I gave the hint earlier. I'm not sure if

you guys guessed what it was. Do either of you

know? I'm thinking Dan would know better than

Chuck. Geez, is it airplane? No. They are on

a plane of sorts. It's more of a space shuttle.

If you missed it, the classic, it was one of

the classic lines from character from the fifth

element. Ruby Rod played by Chris Tucker. It's

a cult classic sci -fi movie. It's very strange.

It's B rated. Once again, it's a B rated. sci

-fi that gets it right. It's got a great cast.

It's got Bruce Willis. It's got Mila Jojovich,

who if you're into that kind of thing, she is

very scantily cried at times. It's got one of

my favorite actors, Gary Oldman, and it's of

course got Chris Tucker in it, like I mentioned

before, and he does an amazing job. That character

is just so out there. It's got so many quotable

lines from it. There's a essentially a raid on

Bruce Willis's place and They kind of start to

interrogate him a little bit and he's behind

this door that they could kind of see through

And they ask him if he's human he goes negative.

I'm a meat popsicle There's some dumb lines,

but they're they're so great. What else do I

have here? Actually, that's all I had but I just

love it. Chris Tucker and Bruce Willis have this

great chemistry in there and you don't even get

Chris Tucker towards the end. Gary Oldman, of

course, is doing a great job throughout. I don't

think he's ever done a bad job in anything he's

ever been in. I even lent this one to my dad's

one friend who's very into sci -fi stuff. He's

kind of into the older stuff. and so this just

kind of threw him for a loop. He's like, I never

knew that Bruce Willis did a horrible sci -fi

movie but I was surprised he said it. To me,

it's just a great cult classic sci -fi movie.

I should probably give a summary of what it's

about because Chuck's probably going, what the

frick is this guy talking about? I've actually

seen parts of it on TV. Really never watched

like never sat down watch the whole thing, but

I've seen parts of it The parts that you saw

interesting at least enough that you wouldn't

be like I'd sit down to that Um, you won't offend

me either way. I'm sorry, but not really, no.

Okay. I think it gets certain people. It's not

for everybody type of thing, but I believe it

does have cult classic status. It's essentially,

I don't know, there's like this evil entity coming

to earth and essentially Bruce Willis is out

there to save the day, but he kind of runs into

the path of this, the fifth element who is Mila

Jovovich's character, Leeloo, and it's got all

these guys running to try and save the day and

one character trying to help the evil come. I'm

doing a terrible job of describing it right now.

Basically, it's the situation in which there

is this glob of doom that's about to destroy

the Earth. It's like all the badness and evilness

in this gigantic bubble of like similar to that.

What was it called? How the earth was going to

spaghetti vacation or whatever you were calling

it. Spaghetti vacation, yeah. It was kind of

like that. It's like a black hole coming towards

earth. Yeah and then the purpose of the fifth

element which was Mila or something like that.

She basically was there to kind of save the earth

and they had to protect her and figure out how

to do all that. But there's a lot of these little

twists and turns in it too. What's really cool

too is just the world it creates. It's very influenced

by like Blade Runner you can tell. with the flying

cars. The artist I believe that was helping out

on it was, I think it was the comic book artist

who just passed away maybe a year or two ago.

It was Morbius. He was a guy who fought blade,

right? No, no, no. This is a different Morbius

or Mobius. I think it's Mobius. I may be saying

that wrong, but he did Silver Server Comics.

I believe he's a Frenchman. He had a lot of the

input for the design into the movie. Actually,

thinking about it, it's directed by a guy who's

done a movie that we've all enjoyed. He directed

Taken as well. His name is Luc Besson, I believe.

Yeah, he also did The Professional. He's hit

and miss. He actually has a new movie coming

out this year, too, with Sean Penn called The

Gunman, which could be kind of taken. Actually,

it's not directed by him, but he produces it.

He produces a lot of movies. He also directed

La Femme Nikita, which a lot of people know because

of the TV shows and all the different TV shows

it spun off of. Alright, Greg, sorry I cut you

off there. Anything else? No, that's fine. I'm

kind of getting long -winded here with this one

anyway. But I recommend people check that one

out if you haven't seen it. Give it a chance,

at least. Yeah, it's definitely very good. But

we will bring it back to Chuck. What is next

on your list? Well, next up for me is Avengers.

This is also mine, so I'm going to talk here

as well. Nice. I wasn't expecting anyone else

to have it, honestly. First crossover. yeah this

is my favorite comic book movie basically i never

thought i would get to see anything like this

kind of growing up never thought i would see

anything on this grand scale like this just sort

of epicness i guess but the build up to the part

where you see two of your favorite characters

that when you were growing up you're seeing the

build up and finally getting to that point i

don't know about you chuck but when we got to

that point i was like breathing heavily and just

like it was just like it was like this weight

on my shoulders was like oh my god this is this

is totally happening like oh my god it's the

culmination it's like is this team gonna get

together are they gonna work and then they do

and like they freaking have to kick the crap

out of everybody what have i to fear the avengers

that's what we call ourselves sort of like a

team earth's mightiest heroes type thing yes

I've met them. Yeah. Takes us a while to get

any traction, I'll give you that one. But let's

do a head count here. Your brother, the demigod,

a super soldier, a living legend who kind of

lives up to the legend, a man with breathtaking

anger management issues, a couple of master assassins,

and you, big fella. You've managed to piss off

every single one of them. That was the plan.

Not a great plan. When they come, The point I

wanted to make was like I guess in the comics

I was always a fan of like crossovers and stories

with a lot of characters in them. I know in a

future episode we might talk about our favorite

comic stories. I always like those big crossovers

and I just like to explore that team dynamic,

you know, and how do they interact? How do they

get along? What strategy and tactics do they

work in with all their diverse powers and stuff

like that? Think this is just it in movie form.

It's it's the ultimate for me And I think I think

the comedy that's sprinkled in there here and

there too is terrific and also just like the

pure action of it the fight scenes and that the

citizens kind of being inspired by these heroes

which is like One of the basic elements of the

comics. I just think it it does everything I

think I remember you telling me one of your one

of your favorite aspects if I remember of Captain

America is that he is this leader of men and

you really see him take that mantle towards the

end of the movie and he's got this tactical mind

that I know you like about Captain America and

you see him put it into use, telling the members

of the team what to do and giving instructions

on what they were like, a guy go on top of the

building and call out shots and take people down

and all that stuff. Yeah, it's interesting because

you see like after America's he's right there

with like Thor and Iron Man and Hulk and he's

nowhere near their power level But his his strategic

mind just makes him like the leader by default

Like he's the perfect leader for this, you know

group of heroes. Yeah. Yeah, it's not my top

five, but obviously I do Love the Avengers. It's

hard not to it's a lot of fun great action now

that last 45 minute like set piece to me is just

unmistakably amazing especially some of the smaller

like hilarious moments of course like the puny

god and the left punch like I just remember that

puny god moment in the theater and I don't think

I heard a crowd laugh nearly as hard so much

so that like you couldn't even hear what Hulk

said like I yeah I couldn't it was just so yeah

It was just crazy. It's still to this day makes

me laugh. And you know, it's a movie I saw on

a Friday night and then saw again two days later

in the theater. So it's like, yeah, I think I

was in the theater multiple times for that movie.

Yeah. So it is in a lot of ways it is like our

generation Star Wars in some ways, just in how

massive a hit it is, like what a franchise it

is and how it redefined comic books in some ways.

So I think it's it's power somewhat lies in like

It kind of unites the human race. It's like,

okay, these aliens are invading us and you're

in this movie theater and everybody's kind of

got that feeling like, hey, we're all on the

same team here and these guys are freaking awesome

and they're on our team. When some of these scenes

happen, people are clapping, they're going nuts.

I've never seen a movie so interactive. in the

theater, actually, too. Like you were saying,

too. It's just incredible. I remember when the

Hulk, you know, I'm always angry and people were

just clapping and cheering. It was like a football

game. It was one of the funnest movie experiences.

Usually I don't like it when people are talking,

but in that it worked just because it was like

a celebration, which is really cool. Now I'm

hungry for some shawarma. Shawarma. I guess I'll

then I'll go with my next one, Greg, since that

was on your list as well. Again, it's hard to

follow up the Avengers, but if anyone can follow

up the Avengers, it's Steven Spielberg, right?

Steven Spielberg, of course, has endless amounts

of amazing films. And the one on my list, the

highest one on my list is not necessarily like

his best movie. I wouldn't say it's his best

movie by any means, but it's my favorite movie

for a lot of reasons. It's one of the movies

I think that helped me fall in love with movies

as a kid and still as an adult. I'm still amazed

by its technology. I watch it every year and

make sure to watch it every year. Got the chance

to see it again on the big screen last year in

3D. I don't know why, I just love this movie

and I think it helped change cinema in a lot

of ways with kind of redefine what CGI can do.

And that movie is Jurassic Park. Similar to Sandlot,

have a picture or have a poster on my wall. You

hear the term throw ride given to a lot of movies

and to me nothing defines that mantra better

than that of Jurassic Park. Yeah, it's not a

perfect film. There's issues there, but I just

find it so much fun. The T -reacts escape sequence

to me is just so perfectly directed. Every moment

of that scene is just so meticulous and so spot

on and I just love it. So that is mine and my

number three Jurassic Park. I do enjoy that movie

quite a bit, too. I would say it's probably like

in my top 20 or something. And I kind of figured

that that would be on your list. And it's, like

you said, something we grew up with. And every

kid loves dinosaurs anyway. So when you kind

of grow up and you see that on the big screen,

it just like captivates you. Very much, very

much. Greg said you already gave the Avengers

and you explained why you love that. We'll pass

it back to Chuck again. And what's the next on

your list? Don't take another one of mine, Chuck.

Don't do it. I don't know if I will. Maybe. I

don't know. I'm going to go, let's see, my next

one. It's an 80s classic. I'm going to go Top

Gun. Oh, I figured this would be on your list.

I'm really not sure what makes this one of my

favorites. Because we talk about it all the time.

That's true. But like even before that, like

I know sometimes you catch it on cable, like

they're showing it, you know, every day for like

a week or something. But when I catch it on TV,

like I have to watch it. I think there's some

great 80s music in there too and especially like

the Top Gun theme that they write. Like it's,

you know, the movie's got its own theme music.

It's just incredible. But there's like the Russia

versus USA element kind of in the end that they

work in, which is like, you know, product of

the Cold War at the time. I love the rivalry

that Maverick has with Iceman. I love the action.

Iceman is also a hermogen. He is, he is. I love

the you know the scene where they're in the locker

room they're kind of like going back and forth

and it's really freaking corny but when ice man

does like the the jaw bite or whatever with the

teeth yeah that creeped me out that gave me shudders

it kind of does but it's just it goes more into

their like rivalry i think it's it's a great

like uh Kind of tone throughout the movie, but

I love the action the the mid -air dog fights

and stuff I think there was some Revolutionary

stuff that they used in that movie if I'm not

mistaken like they actually went up in jets and

kind of did some filming and stuff You have some

loss with with goose there, and I'm not too crazy

about the love story side of the movie It's kind

of creepy in some parts actually But I still

love the movie overall and in particular the

scene in the bar where they sing she's lost that

love and feeling, I think that's hilarious. I

get it when she does that. I like watching that

just to see how healthy Val Kilmer looks in that

movie compared to how he looks now. I wish she

could get back that love and feeling. Yeah, he

definitely lost it a long time ago. It's gone,

gone, gone. No one is his wingman anymore. No,

no. No, he has many wings but no wingman. Anyways,

all right. I guess I'll go back to myself and

how do you follow up Steven Spielberg? Well,

you follow up Steven Spielberg with maybe the

only other better director, most more notorious

director of his time or our time and that's Martin

Scorsese. Again, it's horse -easy. Tons of great

films to choose from. You could probably go Raging

Bull. You could go The Parted. You could go Mean

Streets, Taxi Driver. So many choices. For me

though, for as long as I can remember, I always

wanted to be a gangster. Not really, but I do

love myself some Goodfellas. It's a perfect movie.

If you want to see what it means to be a good

director, you watch Goodfellas. Amazing acting

from Joe Pesci, Robert De Niro, Ray Liotta. It

is... I think a movie that has kind of defined

Scorsese in a lot of ways. And I just, I don't

know, like I said, it's great music, great acting,

great in epic scale. It's a lot of fun, but really

serious at times. And I don't know, I just love

that movie. And it's been my number two favorite

film for a long time right now. And I say it,

and I talked about having posters on my wall.

And this is my biggest poster is Goodfellas.

So I just love it. So there's not really more

you can say about that movie. So iconic at this

point, but. It's my number two. One question,

is it funny? Funny how? Funny how? Funny like

ha ha? I didn't even realize when I said that,

but yeah, I guess that's true. All right. I don't

know, Greg, I'll pass it over to you. Hopefully

I didn't steal yours. I don't think so. No, one

of the ones I have left, I'm so afraid that somebody's

going to take it, but so far it has not been

taken. Is it taken? No, it's not taken. Now we're

getting to who's on first territory here. I'll

go with the one that nobody here is going to

talk about probably besides me and that is the

magical world of Harry Potter. I'm not going

to name a specific one in the series. I thought

they were all really good. But the movies, it's

a story about magic and the movie comes off feeling

magical and it kind of gives you that, for me

at least, who's, well, I'm not really old but

I'm starting to increase in age. It kind of gives

me the feeling that movies from my childhood

gave me. It gave me those type of feelings. It's

got a great cast and it's awesome to see them

grow up through that movie. Emma Watson kind

of makes me feel like a pedophile now that I've

seen her as a little girl now seeing her older

and being like she's really cute. It makes me

feel kind of creepy, but it's a great cast. It's

a great. story, good CGI, great CGI going on

and there's so many different elements going

on. I did not read the books and I kinda am upset

with myself that I never read the books before

watching the movie. I've had many people tell

me that I should still really read the books,

but I have so many at this point, so many books

to read, but eventually I'm gonna have to do

it. Harry Potter is... It's a modern -day classic,

I guess you would say. I don't think I could

really speak more highly of it than people probably

think of it. There's so many fans of that movie.

It's even got its own theme park for Harry Potter.

There you go. Yeah, it's really funny right now

Greg you have more in common with your top five

with my wife than I do with my own top five because

she also loves Harry Potter too, so And I do

actually I really love those movies too. I don't

think you'd make my top five, but I Like you,

I've only read the first three books after I've

seen all the movies. Probably my favorite movie

might be either the second to last or the last

one, but I think they just look amazing, like

the cinematography and just the look of them

is just, it's gorgeous. Yeah, it's an amazing

world that they put you in right there. Yeah,

yeah, I just, I do, I love that world, I love

those characters. Great stuff. I do daycare a

part of a great deal. I should bring down a couple

bottles of Riesling and we could have a movie

marathon. I do own. Oh, I own every one except

for the first two because I'm not the biggest

fan of the first two. But I have the whole collection,

Dan. I got it covered. I'll bring the Riesling.

I'll bring the movies. Very nice. Very nice.

I know Carol gladly accepted me into your home

with if I'm carrying the Riesling with me Yeah,

yeah, yeah, she might she might she'll take the

Riesling that you might be left outside Not really

I'm only joking of course, all right for that

one I Wish I was there to see it too All right

Chuck back to you Last one for tonight. What

is your number one or a guest top on your list

or well my last one? It very well could be top

on the list. It's a tough call. But this is actually

from a franchise. I know a lot of times it's

hard to pick a favorite out of a franchise. But

for me, it's never really been a question. I

think this one is the best. And this is another

80s classic, I guess. But that would be Rocky

IV. I think I mentioned... In another episode

that I'm a pretty big Stallone fan For whatever

reason, I don't know. Maybe I'm just a glutton

for action and stuff, but a big fan of his movies,

but I think Like I do love all the Rocky movies,

but this one in particular. I think it's his

greatest challenge that he had to overcome It

there's a classic Lake Russia versus USA theme

That's kind of like a bigger, you know a bigger

topic going on the background Um, the music is

fantastic. There's like some great 80 songs in

there that, uh, that I really, really like, you

know, you have him trying to kind of avenge the,

the death of his friend Apollo, uh, kind of get

payback on this Russian who is freaking gigantic.

I will crush you. It's more punishment I think

than anyone could ever take. And I hit a boxing

match or in anything, but I know they kind of

played it up a little bit for dramatic reasons,

but I still love the movie. I like how his rich

life doesn't work out. He goes back to his roots

of kind of working out in his own old -fashioned

way. I like the old -fashioned hard work versus

the new technology aspect. They show the Russian

working out in a state -of -the -art gym and

everything, and he's juicing, of course, and

Stallone's working out. Do you think they have

that over now for the Olympics? They have that

kind of setup for the Olympians? Yeah, I think

it's the same gym that they're actually using

for the Olympics. Sorry to interrupt, I just

wanted to put that in. And that weird like mountain

climbing machine where, you know, he's like moving

his legs. But I think that, I don't know, that's

just, it's always been one of my favorites. And,

you know, I like all the Rocky movies. But for

some reason, that one just does it for me. It's

a great movie. So you even like Rocky V. Barely

I don't know Just the part where they fight the

rest of it I could kind of like do away with

but uh It's funny that you bring up Rocky actually

because it kind of segues into my number one

Rocky came out in 1976 and won Best Picture and

it actually be What I've kind of deemed been

able to kind of consider my favorite film of

all time It's been climbing up my list and it's

I think I finally come to the conclusion that,

yeah, this is my favorite film of all time. I

don't know if you guys may have never seen this.

It's probably heard about certain moments of

it. It came out in 1976 as well. But it lost

Best Picture. It was nominated Best Picture with

Rocky, which ended up winning. And it ended up

losing, but winning a lot of other awards. And

that is network. But I don't love it because

of the awards. It has nothing to do with it.

It's just... For whatever reason I tend to like

movies that deal with news in some way I love

a good night and good luck that came out like

about ten years ago. I love broadcast news I

love talk radio and I think network is such a

perfect film. It's directed by Sidney Lamont

and the premise behind it is Howard Beale is

this anchor who is gonna be fired and he gets

on one night and he's now just the world he's

gonna commit suicide and They're gonna fire and

then like he ends up getting huge ratings and

because of that they end up keeping him on this

air and it begins this down -world spiral and

what's really interesting about the movie is

how much it really Foretold what television would

turn into it was a lot of commentary on news

and what will happen when news becomes or profit

base It kind of mentioned even reality TV before

reality TV existed and this it's what really

makes it work is the performances There's so

many great performances in this movie. It was

nominated for like five acting awards and rightfully

so because it deserved it. And if you ever heard

the saying I'm mad as hell and I'm not going

to take it anymore or saw that clip, this is

where it comes from. It comes from this movie

from the character Howard Beale. I don't have

to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things

are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of

work or scared of losing their job. The dollar

buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust,

shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter, punks

are running wild in the street and there's nobody

anywhere who seems to know what to do and there's

no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe

and our food is unfit to eat. We sit watching

our TVs while some local newscaster tells us

that today we had 15 homicides and 63 violent

crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to

be. We know things are bad, worse than bad. They're

crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going

crazy so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the

house and slowly the world we're living in is

getting smaller and all we say is, please at

least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let

me have my toaster and my TV and my steel belt

and radios and I won't say anything. Just leave

us alone. Well, I'm not going to leave you alone.

I want you to get mad. I don't want you to protest.

I don't want you to rot. I don't want you to

write to your congressman because I wouldn't

know what to tell you to write. I don't know

what to do about the depression and the inflation

and the Russians and that crime in the street.

All I know is that first, you've got to get mad.

You've got to say, I'm a human being. God damn

it! My life has value! So, I want you to get

up now. I want all of you to get up out of your

chairs. I want you to get up right now and go

to the window, open it and stick your head out

and yell, I'm as mad as hell and I'm not gonna

take this anymore! I want you to get up right

now! Get up, go to your windows, open them and

stick your head out and yell, I'm as mad as hell

and I'm not going to take this anymore. Things

have got to change. How many stations does this

go out to? 67. I know what goes to Louisville

and Atlanta. Are you going to take this anymore?

Then we'll figure out what to do about the depression

and the inflation and the oil crisis. But first,

get up out of your chairs, open the window, stick

your head out and yell and say, I'm as mad as

hell and I'm not... I like movies that kind of

can be timeless and not only is this timeless,

but it actually is more relevant as time goes

on. So that's something I just really dig about

it. So the number one of my choice is Network.

I'm probably going to lose a ton of cred here,

but I have never heard of this movie. I haven't

either. You have lost no credit in my book. I

feel bad. I've not never heard of your number

one movie of all time. I'm sorry. I don't. It's

one that, like I said, it's been crawling up

my list. I don't really broadcast it to the world.

But, like I said, you probably... Have you ever

heard of the saying, I'm out of style and I'm

not taking it anymore? Yeah. Yeah, that's where

it comes from. Like I said, it's not the most

famous film of all time. It's not talked about

that much anymore. But I think it should be,

because it is, like I said, even more relevant

today. But I do own it. So, I don't know if you

guys will dig it as much as me, to be honest

with you, but... And there are some things that

do date it quite a bit, because like I said,

it does come out in 1976. But if you are a fan

of like Sidney Lamont, who directed like 12 Angry

Men and a bunch of other films, I'd advise giving

it a whirl. It is on Netflix right now, I do

believe. So all right, Greg, hopefully we didn't

steal your toys. Apparently I didn't because

you never heard of it. So what is what is what

is one on your list? In a galaxy far, far away.

Star Wars I think I think I've heard of this

one. I kind of have you that would be a top your

list Well, I didn't pick just one. I think they're

all a little bit too precious for me to pick

out Which one's my favorite or not? I do kind

of have a favorite and by the way, this is the

original trilogy not the the prequels I'm a purist

But like I said with Ghostbusters, how that was

one of the movies that got me into science fiction.

This is the other one. And I believe for a lot

of people, it's the gateway drug into science

fiction. My dad is the one. One of the few times

that he's busted out of watching a western, he

sat me down to watch this... movie with them

it was the Star Wars New Hope and I watched it

and really loved it and I had to see all the

others and sat down and watch those and I watched

those before George Lucas came in and quote -unquote

fully realized his vision with the movies with

with the other edits that he's made and I just

think it's so imaginative and creative and it's

set on the basic mythologies that we've all kind

of heard throughout time but it was so different

how he put them together and the cultures that

he kind of strung to make this story work and

There's just crazy characters like Chewbacca,

R2 -D2, Darth Vader, and some great actors come

out of that. Harrison Ford. I know Mark Hamill

doesn't do a lot of physical acting at this point.

He's more of a voiceover guy, but we wouldn't

have Batman the Animated Series. We wouldn't

have that great version of the Joker and everything.

we wouldn't have this powerhouse and we wouldn't

have more of these movies coming out. I think

it helped out science fiction get up on its legs

and become a dominant force in Hollywood because

I'm pretty sure at that time science fiction

was dying out and it was just this... side attraction

that was they could just spend a little bit of

money and make pretty good profit out of it and

it just always came out looking terrible but

they knew they could draw some people in on it

and I think it made the genre come above that.

Yeah, I mean... No doubt. I mean, it's defined

what our movies are today. We don't get franchises

like we do now. We don't get big films and blockbusters

like we do now without Star Wars. It wasn't the

first big blockbuster that was probably Jaws,

but it took it to a whole other level that we

haven't really gotten to since then. It wasn't

a movie. It was basically a movement. It became

a religion in some ways. I think this entire

geek culture explosion in large part is because

of Star Wars, no doubt. I think it just needed

to be on one of our lists, and I'm not saying

that to be like, how dare you guys not have it

on there, but I think at least one of us needed

to have it on there. Oh, definitely. It's my

number seven, so it is in my top, or Empire Strikes

Back, which is probably my favorite, but you

think Return of the Jedi is yours? Yeah, I don't

really like to put them in rank, but Return is

my favorite and then it goes to Empire and then

A New Hope, but I still love all of them. They're

just very close together and in my likes to be

quite honest. I kind of agree. I think Return

of the Jedi Episode 6 is about my favorite two

of the original trilogy. Interesting interesting.

So yeah, I don't like the fact when he changed

it and had uh, what's his name? The guy who played

uh, Anakin's yeah, I did not enjoy that that

I wish he didn't do that though. Yeah, we all

do well even like when they remastered it to

uh To have Greedo shoot at Han Instead of in

the original when it was just Han shooting him.

Yeah, so yeah, they did a lot of monkeying around

with that but But I guess before we get into

our end letter, let's just kind of just recap

real quick our list Greg Chuck just want to go

through just recap of your top TV and top movies

real quick You don't have to say anything just

like your what was on them Just in case people

forgot because certain people in this podcast

have crappy memories myself included Yeah, my

TV shows in no particular order I have a John

Doe home improvement Arrow, Jericho, and Smallville.

And then my movies were Tombstone, Blade, Avengers,

Top Gun, and Rocky IV. Very nice. And my TVs

were 24, Breaking Bad, The Office, The Wire,

and The West Wing. And my movies were The Sand

Hunt, Butch Cassidy, and The Sundance Kid, Jurassic

Park, Goodfellas, and the movie no one apparently

has heard of, The Network, and Greg. For TV shows,

I had Doctor Who, Sherlock, MASH, The League,

and Top Gear, the UK version. For movies, it

was Star Wars, the original trilogy. Yes, I took

up three spots. Avengers, fifth element. Ghostbusters

and Harry Potter and I took up, what was that,

seven movies long? So I took up seven spots there.

Eight movies, eight movies. Oh, eight movies,

I'm sorry. Because they split the last one in

two. That's very true. But that's kind of funny

that with all that with what, five, ten, fifteen,

you know, what? We only had one crossover, so

that's pretty crazy. Anything that kind of came

close to making your list that you didn't, you

came close to considering but didn't make the

final cut? Yeah, I had a lot of honorable mentions

that were pretty tough to weed out. Just to mention

them quickly, the original Superman, The Dark

Knight, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles from the

early 90s, I love those. The TV show or the movies?

The movies. Okay. Yeah, I think actually Taken

as well, that's pretty high on my list too. Other

ones Empire Strikes Back is on my list Alien,

the Ridley Scott film. Also Born Ultimatum is

one of my favorite action films of all time.

X2, X -Men First Class are both up there. Die

Hard, The Matrix are some of my favorite films

as well. Also Cool Hand Luke, another Paul Newman

film, and another Sidney Lumet film, Twelve Angry

Men, another one of my classics. And Pulp Fiction

is also one of my favorite films. for TV Sherlock

like Greg mentioned also these I didn't count

because I figured they're like Almost I don't

know. They can't really count them as TV shows,

but I do love The Daily Show. I do love Saturday

Night Live Saturday Night Live When the cast

is good, obviously I do love South Park The Simpsons,

but I have not watched like the last ten years.

So I didn't feel like I can count it Also almost

considered friends. I do find that really funny

and I watch that show all the time when it's

on so and current shows too like Mad Men but

I'm not caught up with that Game of Thrones also

I think that has potential of getting up there

someday but how about you Greg? I had four TV

shows I have the original Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtles animated series, X -Men the animated

series, The Office, which Dan mentioned on his

top. I have Parks and Rec, Burn Notice, White

Collar, Darkwing Duck, Duck Tales, Rescue Rangers,

Batman the animated series, and the Venture Brothers.

So a lot of cartoons there in TV for me, honorable

mention. And for movies, I've got... coming to

america changing places both eddie murphy movies

um batteries not included which i've mentioned

before um short circuit um iron man the the first

one and uh santa claus the movie and that's not

the santa claus it this one doesn't have um tim

allen and it's got a doubly more and uh I recommend

people looking that up on IMDB because that's

my favorite Christmas movie of all time. Very

nice, very nice. I actually had a lot of cartoons

on my list too, like the X -Men and Spider -Man

stuff, but I feel like we could almost make a

whole category out of that stuff. There's some

really great stuff there, but also Spider -Man,

the movie, barely missed my cut to the Tobey

Maguire one. Very nice. So yeah, I do not like

Toby McGuire's Spider -Man But yeah, so let us

know what you think if you want to list your

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So that's great to see. But if you listened to

this episode previously or for the first time,

we like to finish each episode with a letter,

sometimes praising something, sometimes complaining

about something, sometimes asking for something.

A few weeks ago, I asked Mother Nature to stop

kicking the crap out of us with bad weather.

has not worked yet, eventually, hopefully. We

talked to Brian Michael Bendis. We've talked

to Tom Brady, who seems to be a recurring character

on this podcast. But today, Greg, I think you

actually have one more on the positive side,

if I'm not mistaken. I think this is my only

one on the positive side. Let's get started.

Dear Sports Illustrated, I realize the last two

letters that I have written have mostly been

on the negative side. Don't worry. I think you'll

like this one. I just want to thank you for providing

us with 50 years of the swimsuit edition. You

have given us many years of great photography

and beautiful scenery from around the world.

What else could anyone ask for? Oh, yeah, that's

right. You depict some of the most beautiful

women in the world. Heidi Klum, Tyra Banks, and

Christie Brinkley to name a few. They have done

a great service to mankind. They have made many

a boy turn into a man. Those great ladies had

some help, though. The people behind the pages

provide a little magic to the mix. Magic like

the amazing shrinking bikini, the vanishing cloth,

and the wondrous painted woman. With an act like

that, who wouldn't stick around for the fourth

or fiftieth act? I want to thank you for one

more thing. a latest addition to your little

book of magic, that would be adding Emily Radikowski.

I hope I'm saying that right. I always want to

pronounce the J in it. Everyone listening might

remember her from the Robin Thicke music video,

Blurred Lines. At first glance, you could tell

that Emily is one of the most gorgeous women

ever to be incorporated into the fold. Any opportunity

to see more of her is always greatly appreciated.

Many will take that as a pervy joke. That I just

want to see her naked especially since it's me

It isn't though. She is just damn gorgeous. She

even has sexy eyebrows. How is that even possible?

Let me tell you with her it is I Should probably

get back on track. Sorry about that You have

given us a great 50 years sports illustrated

I hope that you can survive the collapse of the

magazine industry and provide us with more great

photographs of Emily Radikowski Thanks, Greg.

I can't believe that's been around for 50 years.

That's what... I can't either. But yeah, interesting.

Anyways, I think that'll be it for us for this

week. We appreciate all the listeners out there.

Like I said, it's great. We're just getting this

show on the road, and we're hopefully going to

keep it moving even further. A lot of great ideas

we have up and coming. So this is just the beginning,

folks. We're going to Harry Potter this thing

and keeping it on moving for years to come. At

least that's the idea. But anyways, for now...

This has been Chuck. This has been Greg, or Neil

deGrasse Tyson. And this has been Dan, and we've

been Talking in Circles. We'll see you next week.

See, I can do it. Bonanza?