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Hey, this is Steve Blum, and you are listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. Oh, one more thing.

Tell Alfred to suck it. You are now on the inside

of what I like to call the circle of trust. We

are all connected in a great circle of life.

You know something, Bert? I think you and I are

going in circles. It feels like we're going in

circles. The Circle is now complete. When I left

you, I was but the third. Now I am the last.

Because it's a circle. Yeah, we heard about the

circle. Yes, we're familiar with shapes. Hi,

this is Chuck. This is Greg. And this is Dan.

And this is Talking in Circles brought to you

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love never means having to say you're sorry.

This is our fifth episode. We are... Already

up to five. So that's pretty pretty awesome.

How's things going with you guys? Pretty good

Not bad getting over a little bit of a cold So

I apologize if I sound nasally or anything, but

feeling better though. Greg, how about yourself?

Pretty good. Just dealing with the bitch slap

that Mother Nature has provided you after your

letter today Yeah, apparently it did not go over

well. You guys got hit by snow and in Baltimore

here We actually had like a foot of snow and

getting more so sorry about that Apparently she

saw through my facade and decided to reap even

more havoc on the East Coast at least, so it's

a little bit crazy. Though my wife's happy because

she got two days off, so she's home. I had to

work from home, which is not very fun, honestly.

I had two laptops going. I had my personal and

my work laptop going back and forth trying to

do things because at work I have three monitors

to do what I work on, so I'm so used to that.

Two laptops was not very fun. Do you work at

Stark Industries? I wish. Just with the nature

of my job, I need a lot of, I compare reports

and do a lot of reporting. So it's about analyzing

data and looking at different things. As you

can tell, it's very exciting. I know what you

mean. I have like two screens on my desk, two

23 inch screens. So it takes up like my whole

desk. I only have one screen. Sadness. Mine is

pretty damn big though. Yeah. How about the screen?

What's that like? Um, probably just as big. Impressive.

Uh, anyways, uh, for those joining us for the

first time or those who turn visitors, this is

Talking in Circles. Like I mentioned, part of

the Geek -Ass Radio Network. We'll podcast a

little bit about everything. We'll start with

what we've been doing recently, watching, listening

to all that good stuff. And then based on popular

demand, we're bringing back an early fan favorite

actually, which is fact or fiction. We'll, we'll

be giving out different statements to each other

and determining if those statements are in fact.

Fact, again, saying that twice in a row, and

or fiction. I say that because right before this,

my wife was listening to the podcast and it was

the first episode. She listens? She does. She

does. Wow. Does she glare at the screen when

she listens to us like she does in real life?

No, no. She thought she enjoyed it, but the one

line I'm like, you realize you said fact. Fact

and back together. I'm like, yeah, I noticed

and I just did it again So anyways about repeating

mistake a little bit behind the current there.

Anyway, so like I said, we'll be talking about

what we've been watching recently and I think

Chuck I think you'll you'll kick us off. So Anything

exciting going on in your land of geekdom? Oh

yeah, lots of stuff as always. First off, I kind

of wanted to thank everybody for all the likes

on Facebook. That was pretty impressive for the

first week. I also wanted to point out that something

I noticed about our picture, our Talking in Circles

logo, and that's how the heads go from left to

right in order of decreasing facial hair. I just

thought I'd put Dan in the middle, alright? That

wasn't my plan, I did notice that as well though.

Just thought that was worth pointing out. One

of the big things I watched this week was the

movie Lone Survivor. For anybody that doesn't

know, it's a true story. We know that because

there's words at the beginning. Telltale sign.

And at the end. Yes, at the end too. This is

a survival story of a Navy SEAL. It's a story

of a Navy SEAL operation in Afghanistan from

2005. There was obviously a lone survivor. His

name was Marcus Latrell. They were targeting

a member of the Taliban and while they were there

kind of hiding out, they get discovered by some

goat herders and basically step on them, like

run right into them and it kind of runs them,

you know, right smack into a moral dilemma. Do

they kind of let them go and risk compromising

their mission and even their lives or do they

take them captive or even kill them? And they

end up actually doing the right thing. I mean,

they let them go. Because of this, they know

what's coming. The reason they have to make this

choice is because they have zero communications.

So they're kind of forced into it. So now that

they know what's coming, the movie just kind

of takes off from there. And it's got some really

intensified scenes. I mean, you really feel like

you're there. you're on the edge of your seat

the whole time you feel every bullet hit you

feel every bone crushing hit you know as they

fall down this like rock slope it's just so tension

grabbing thing i noticed too is just how tough

and how much punishment that these navy seals

can take like i mean these guys are taking like

three or four bullets they're rolling down a

cliff they're bashing their heads off of trees

and snapping their backs over rocks and stuff

And they just kind of get their bearings, they

regroup a little bit, and they just keep fighting.

And it's just incredible how tough they are.

I don't want to give too much else away, but

I would highly recommend this movie. If you're

on the fence about it, I would definitely say

give it a look. There was also a 60 minute special

that was done in this story a while back. And

I did get a chance to see that too. And I mean,

I got to say that's very moving as well, very

sad. that, you know, this guy obviously has some

survivor's guilt, wishes there's a way to get

these guys back, and it's just one of those stories

that you just say, like, you know, wow, I can't

even imagine myself going through this, but,

you know, you really feel for them on such a

deep level. I would even recommend the 60 -minute

special if, you know, if you can find it, but

another thing that I noticed about the theatrical

movie was it's pretty accurate to what Luttrell

says happens. like in the 60 minute special.

It was pretty remarkable how close that they

got, you know, most of the major points. The

actors in this movie, like you have Mark Wahlberg,

Ben Foster, Taylor Kitsch, Emile Hirsch. I mean,

they look so much like the actual Navy SEALs

that it's uncanny. And after seeing that, you

kind of, I don't know, it just makes it feel

even more realistic. I don't know. It's. It's

just unbelievable how much they look like them.

Yeah, I did. I did see Lunch Survivor as well.

I saw it, I don't know, about a month ago or

so, but I don't know if I liked it as much. I

did really like it. I didn't enjoy it. I think

I even mentioned it to you because I thought

it would be a movie you'd really like. But yeah,

the action in that is rather intense. Especially

those scenes where you see like they're falling

literally falling down mountains and even like

on a stunt perspective I'm like, how did they

even accomplish that because like these guys

are literally falling on mountain rocks and jagged

edges And you're just it just hurt the watch.

It was like how and just that was yeah I was

limping walking out of the theater But I did

like I did like how they showed at the end. There's

like a photo montage of like the actual the men

that were lost that day, like the wedding pictures

and pictures of family and friends and kids and

stuff. It was just really nice, like tribute

to these guys. And I was really happy for their

families that they got this, you know, heroes

tribute that they've deserved for so long. Yeah,

yeah. I know there were there was some controversy

with it with some of the family members like

of. One of the care or one of the soldiers who

the one of the one who's saying like they should

kill them and their family Felt like that wasn't

accurate to what their son they knew they didn't

think their son would do something like that

But yeah, I mean you never know that's it's hard

to really judge in that situation It remind me

somewhat of a Black Hawk down in that way where

it's really crappy situation where you're just

it's really brutal and in that aspect so yeah,

definitely and I do want to mention to like I

think this is an important point, but You see

in the 60 minute special that the Afghan villager

that he kind of encounters and you know gets

help from He actually still stays in contact

with him to this day and they're really close

friends and it was really cool that He was kind

of following this agent code of honor to help

this basically stranger that came into their

village Really helped this guy when he didn't

have to at all, you know put his own life at

risk And I think it's kind of a wake -up call

for some of the people out there as far as like,

you know hating an entire country I mean, there

are great people there are noble people in every

culture and really think that we need to remember

that Yeah, definitely. But yeah got a great movie

all around Definitely recommend it not for the

faint of heart though. Yeah, I'll even watch

anything else Yeah, I did finally catch up on

Agents of Shield. Ooh, Brave Soul. Yeah, I was

behind by like two episodes and, you know, I

went back and watched those two. The last of

which was the Stan Lee cameo. I gotta say it

was pretty classic Stan Lee, you know, pretty

standard cameo for him. Very short, very funny,

kind of doing something funny on the side. So

very interesting. But I think it's great that

he does these little cameos. I mean. We should

be celebrating this guy's creative mind. I mean,

none of this really would be possible without

him, so kudos to him, definitely. Yeah, I mean,

I hope the guy I'm at half the energy level he

is when I get older, because he's, what, like

in his 90s or so? Yeah, he's in his 90s. I think

he's about 91 or something, yeah. And he's still

going, so you got to give him credit for that.

Yeah, definitely. But I mean, the rest of the

episode was pretty cool. And in both of these

episodes, there's actually pretty big comic book

character reveal. And I want to talk about really

bad, but I can't because I can't give the spoilers

out. But who is it, Chuck? Who? The one is really

obvious because they actually show the superhero

name, like on the screen. And I think a lot of

people kind of saw it coming anyway or heard

about it, at least. Still definitely cool. Super

stoked to see where that leads. But the other

reveal in the episode before that, it was a little

more unexpected. And you kind of have to know

your Marvel stuff, so to speak. I kind of had

a theory, but I actually had to look it up because

I really wasn't sure what I was seeing. Those

of you who saw it and, you know, know what I'm

talking about, you probably enjoyed that too.

It was Squirrel Girl, wasn't it? Yeah, he ruined

it, Craig. He ruined it. It was Thanos, sir.

Sorry, everybody. I guess I can put it this way.

Would it be someone you would think could possibly

make his own movie or no? Ah, no, definitely

not. It's more minor character, but it's pretty

cool. More minor than Gravitron? That was like

in episode three or four? I would put it on the

same level. Okay. You know, somewhere in there.

Maybe a hair higher, I don't know. If anybody

saw it and didn't get who it was, because I never

really explained it, just kind of Google that

episode or, you know, look up the kid's name,

which is Donnie. sure to find something on google

there but everything comes up donnie osmond traumatized

for life he's like i don't know i was on shield

but yeah good episodes i mean they're they're

definitely answering those criticisms that uh

of having no superheroes like greg aptly mentioned

in the one episode Those who gave up on the show,

I would say stick with it. And it does get a

little bit more exciting and even, you know,

satisfying, I might say. So also, if you want

to remember, Dan, you mentioned Graviton appeared

in like the second or third episode or whatever

from what I've kind of been reading. We haven't

really seen the last of him and we haven't seen

the last of this other character that they revealed

either. So that stuff's going to be coming up.

Kind of something to look out for. So you will

laugh. That was an evil laugh, sorry. I'm not

good at evil. I would be the worst villain ever.

You're the happiest villain ever. You're more

than happy. Other than that, I did see Walking

Dead that finally came back on. Yes, yes, definitely.

Long -awaited, a couple of months off there.

You should see on the Yahoo front page every

other news article is about Walking Dead. It's

pretty insane. It's pretty insane how many people

watch that show. I posted it on Facebook, but

more people watch The Walking Dead than the Olympics.

It's getting like network numbers. Well, you

have to have the Olympics with walkers chasing

after the Olympians. Well, you know, in Sochi,

they're probably not that far off from that,

you know. Chernobyl is not that far away. They

had the setting correct. I'm pretty sure once

the Olympics are over, Sochi would be the perfect

setting for a zombie apocalypse. Somebody finds

a door that's broken through, and they're like,

oh, this is perfect. And you know what? That

could explain what's happening to Bob Costas.

Maybe he's becoming a zombie shortly. Oh, no.

It's a miracle. I'm a zombie. You're saying you're

an all -spoken zombie ever. Think I think Dan

you mentioned on that Facebook post that there's

like over 15 million viewers or something like

that Yeah, I think to kind of reference our last

episode. I think people may be taking this too

far actually But apparently if you know people

don't get their zombie fix they actually turn

into the undead so with the basalts I don't want

to give away any spoilers or anything because

you know somebody hasn't watched any of this

season Greg sorry write that in the comments

as well how dare you bring it on i mean by the

time this episode airs there's going to be like

two episodes out but um i think we can kind of

strain our brains to remember the first one i

don't think there's anything too crazy except

carl kind of giving a half -assed attempt to

grow up I spent half the episode wanting to reach

into the TV and smack the kid, but he's on the

right track now, I think. Yeah, I'm caught up

as well. And it's funny because I'm reading the

comic right now, too. I kind of go back and forth.

Sometimes I'm ahead in the comic, sometimes I'm

ahead in the show. Right now, I'm a little bit

ahead in the comic, and this episode very much

mirrors what the comic did. They very rarely

do exactly the same thing. I mean, sometimes

they do similar things, but the time is off.

There's a certain aspect with a telephone that

is done in both, but it's done a lot differently.

And this episode is similar to what happens with

Carl in the book and how he's forced to, like

you said, grow up a little bit. And I do think

it was a suspenseful episode. And I thought,

I kind of like where it's going right now. I

think it's you're going to get. more of the zombie

aspect and i think maybe increase a little bit

of the scope of the show and to kind of see this

world a little bit more and make it more of a

survival show because i figure like i think with

the last season with them in the prison they're

in a prison you're how far away oh that sucks

and there are zombies what crazy rick was in

the hospital You kind of lost that and became

like, you know, man versus man in a way, which

was fun. But I'm looking forward to getting back

to like zombies being like the key thing they

kind of have to get over and surviving. So I

think we're going to get that from the next few

episodes. So I'm excited for that. I think there's

I think there's something to be said about Michonne's

tracking skills. Yeah, that was pretty impressive.

Yeah. And I did like the fact you get a little

bit more of her character and she's kind of getting

fleshed out even more. Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty

cool. Nice use of words, Dan, fleshed out. It's

driving a zombie show. Anything else, Chuck?

One real quick tidbit I wanted to add. Really

excited to hear today that Arrow was officially

picked up for a third season next fall, which

is fantastic. I kind of knew that anyway, but

it's official now, so. And puts an applaud noise.

Definitely excited about that. And then actually...

pretty much segues into what I'm about to talk

about. I finally sat down and started watching

Arrow season one because it's on Netflix. Greg,

have you have you checked out Arrow at all? Just

what they have on Netflix. I'm a Netflix slave.

Yeah. So have you seen all season one? Yes. Okay,

okay. If I remember it, that's that's another

issue. Yeah, we've learned that. So I'm watching

it and I'm actually watching with my wife because

so we both kind of like and I'm enjoying it.

I do think it gets better as the season goes

on. There are certain things that bug me like

I really wish at times. script writers would

find a dictionary for certain things, because

it's like, there's a thing called the device.

I'm like, why can't you come up with a better

name than the device? Or it's like the happening

or the person or whatever. It's just like the

nozzle. Were these just put in here and you were

going to like replace with better word later

and you never did it? And it's funny, too, because

there are moments when they're kind of like relationship

things going on. And when there's music playing,

Carol, my wife, who listens, watches some other

CDW show, she's like, that's the same music they

use for all CW shows. I'm like, I could just

have a running loop of like songs that use for

love scenes. But I mean, I do like it. I do feel

at times like this is what they would want to

do if they had a Batman show. He does come up

very Batman like with his like ninja skills and

he can kind of like, you know, disappear when

people are talking to him. He's got a rough voice

that he like. I'm Batman. I'm Arrow. Well, at

least he is like a voice changer. So it legitimizes

a little bit, but. Like I said, it gets better

as it goes on. At the beginning, he's trying

to be too cool, a little bit too much, like with

the parkour and the badassness, but... Parkour,

parkour! You learn more about his character.

I do like the... You mentioned it, Chuck, with

like the dual storyline. You have like the stuff

going on in the island and the stuff going on

in the city, how that's going. Some of the hints

to the villains in the comics, which are pretty

cool. And I think it does make... It does bring

those... characters into that world pretty well.

Only thing that other bugs me is the fact that

they call them the Hood and the Vigilante. But

I guess they're kind of growing into other stuff.

It reminds me of Smallville when they just called

them the Blur, which I always hated too. The

Hood always reminds me of that one Marvel villain.

Whatever they say it. Don't know that one. Crickets.

Yeah, there was there was a big big thing going

on with him a couple years back, and he's kind

of oh the hood Yeah, I do know the hoodie yeah

like that character like he was like a part demon

or something like that Not to be confused with

the red hood Yes, I believe we know who that

is anyways so yeah, and that'll plug me a little

bit And there's something else I was gonna say,

but it just slipped my mind I mean the actions

pretty solid for TV and season finale didn't

surprise me a little bit I didn't expect them

to go where they went in a way. I thought they

would play it safe, but they didn't. So unfortunately,

season two is not on Netflix and it's not on

Hulu yet either. So I'm going to have to wait

on that because I'm hearing like amazing things

about season two. Would you agree, Chuck, that

season two is really good? Yeah, I would think

so. I mean, I think it's probably a little step

up from season one. Definitely a fun show for

sure. I mean, I mean, we watched like the entire.

First season and unlike a couple weeks the cool

thing about Netflix does is when you're watching

it it will start the second episode very shortly

after you're done with it and it skips like the

intro and like the music like so brings it starts

it right at starting episode so you don't have

to watch the previously on so you kind of get

you you don't even realize how much you're watching

it almost feels like just a movie because it

transitions so smoothly before you know it you

just watched like 13 hours of it like wait it's

Tuesday. Oh, crap. Got a letter from my work.

I'm fired because I haven't showed up for the

last three days. I was wondering what that smell

was. Oh, it's me. One thing that left me kind

of wanting more at the end of the first season

was like, like, OK, he showed a lot about the

island, but like, how does he develop these fighting

skills? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, that's

one thing, too. I'm like, he was there for five

years, but. I don't know five years is a good

amount of time but to be able to take down like

highly skilled like former soldiers who've been

training for probably twice that length you know

you need to give me a little bit more. The good

thing is that the island stuff's kind of going

in in real time even you know after the first

season he's been on the island for a year as

well. In the second season it's kind of like

now it's like a year and a half or whatever so

it's kind of keeping with it you know in sync

pretty good. So I don't know if we have to wait

like five seasons before we get the full island

story or what? It's longer than Gilligan's Island.

Hopefully he doesn't get lost. Oh. Oh. Well,

that's all I've been watching for the most part.

Greg, how about yourself? Anything you've been

up to recently? Well, I have been reading and

not really watching too much. How dare you? That's

un -American. I'm sorry. Trying to be educated.

Damn. But I kind of went on a, well if you call

three graphic novels a graphic novel reading

spree, then I guess I've been on one. But I kind

of had a situation with the good, the bad, and

the average while reading. I guess I'll start

off with the average one. I read Young X -Men

Book of Revelations by Mark Guggenheim. Like

I said, it's average for the most part. I really

like the covers for that. It's Terry Dotson.

He's one of my favorites of all time. But I wasn't...

a fan of the story overall, but I thought they

had some interesting concepts like the one villain

was able to give people tattoos that gave them

powers, which I thought was an interesting concept.

but they kind of kill him off but not really

towards the end so I don't think we'll be seeing

him again but I think that that character leads

leads to some interesting story lines later on

if one of the writers can get into that that

would be interesting but but it's an average

story it stays true to the x -men lore dealing

with relationships among the team members Rough

patches? Is this a family or not? Should we stay

in this team? Is it worth it? The art was really

good but the thing that bothered me about the

art is it kind of went through a whole bunch

of different artists so you didn't get that one

kind of set artistic vision throughout it. You

have multiple artists but all the artists in

it do a really great job, I thought. So that's

pretty much that one. Then I guess I should go

on to the good and we'll get to the bad, which

will probably be the most interesting one for

people here. I recently picked up Super Crooks

by Mark Miller and one of my other favorite artists,

Francis Lennel You, was on that one. I used to

like his stuff. Yeah, it's really great, especially

the style that he had during this point. He was

kind of... I think it was a little bit more...

It's sketchy, but not as sketchy as he gets with

the... the Hulk series that he kinda... I think

he's still on that at this point. I haven't really

kept track of that, because I've just been reading

X -Men and the regular comics, but it was really

great. Mark Miller always hits them out of the

park for the most part. He had Kick -Ass. He's

the one that started up the Ultimates, which

I haven't really gotten into, but that's because

I'm kind of a stickler for the original stuff.

But he did Wolverine, Enemy of the State. Agent

of shields and for the Superman fans out there.

He did Superman Red Sun Which I might actually

check out since it's him and he he's been doing

really good on a whole bunch different stuff

I think that actually well, I'm more into the

flawed character. So if he's kind of getting

flawed in that I think that'd be interesting.

Yeah, I would say so if you read the intro to

this book there's an artist on it that's worked

with Mark Biller before. He writes the intro

and his name is Brian Hitch and I think he gives

a really good description of the book. So if

you're in a bookstore or something and just read

the intro and if you like how he described the

intro, I think you'll really be into the book.

He described it as kind of, it's an Ocean's Eleven

with superpowers. And you're mostly going through

the minds of this team of criminals that are

trying to help out their one buddy who kind of

gambles away a whole bunch of money and then

owes even badder supervillains some money. And

it's really interesting, the team relationship

and how everything kind of comes together. And

of course, Frances Lennel you is just amazing.

And there's a lot of what the fuck moments throughout

the whole thing. Like really good what the fuck

moments as opposed to the next one I'm going

to talk about which is the opposite type of what

the fuck moment. There was one little thing in

there that I thought was kind of funny. One of

the character's names is Walt Flanagan. And I'm

not sure or not if that's a reference to the

Walt Flanagan of comic book men fame on AMC or

the artist and the podcaster Walt Flanagan who

runs Jay and Silent Bob's Secret Stash. I'm not

sure if that's a reference to him or not, but

I thought that was kind of interesting pick up

on that. But yeah, I thought it was super good.

I don't even know what to say about it. It was

just that good, I thought. And what was it called

again? It's called Super Crooks. Is that produced

by Marvel or DC or is that independent? I think

it's it's Marvel, but on the on the spine it

says Miller world and on the back It says Miller

world and it's got icon, but I've never really

heard of icon But I may just be out of the loop

since I'm mostly a big to reader every once in

a while I'll go in a different direction with

Dark Horse or image, but I've never heard of

icon before so So I guess the question is then

what is the bad? The bad is Shana the She -Devil

Survival of the Fittest. So essentially Shana

the She -Devil Survival of the Fittest is about

these criminals that come in and take over this

cruise ship, steal a whole bunch of money, and

some of the money or jewels belong to another

criminal. And then a Kraken comes out of freaking

nowhere. There's a whole bunch of stuff that

happens in this book by happenstance. There's

nothing really running the story but happenstance.

Oh, all of a sudden a Kraken comes out and destroys

the cruise ship. Sounds like the last Pirates

movie. Probably was even worse than that. I don't

think I even saw the last Pirates movie. So the

criminals get shipwrecked on their boat. The

cruise ship just goes down completely. They're

on land of Monster Island, and they're getting

attacked by raptors. Then who should come along?

Happenstance. Shawna the She -Devil. Jeff Goldblum.

That would have been so much more awesome. I

know a team up would have been awesome, because

Shawna the She -Devil is quite attractive for

a cartoon character. Lonely comic book writers,

is that? Yeah, pretty much. The artist didn't

do a good job drawing her either, so. But they

get trapped on the islands. You can't stay on

the beach she tells them so she moves him out

to her place and then all of a sudden the the

criminal that wasn't on the boat but his money

was shows up and tries to come after them and

it's just like oh and now we're in this cave

in this cave with Nazi treasures and all of a

sudden you see Nazi treasures yes they don't

even really he doesn't the author doesn't really

explain like they show up and all of a sudden

everybody knows that they're in some old Nazi

temple. Like there's no, even the artist doesn't

really give you cues that you're in a Nazi temple.

I think I saw one of the bird symbols that the

Nazis were using back in the day and that's about

it. And it's in the bottom corner, really small.

The artists, it wasn't great work by the artist.

All the images are, like the people and the scenes

are very small. and it feels like it should be

more of a background art in a normal comic book.

And there's not enough depth. It's all pretty

much the same light on everything, so it doesn't

give you any depth of fields. There's not a lot

of darker colors in there. And then he also messes

up the proportions of characters, too. The last

page of... issue number one in it. The one main

guy in it, he's standing looking out at the Monster

Island and he's, it's a weird angle and then

it makes it look like he has a really long torso

and really short legs which was weird. Was it

Rob Liefeld doing this, the drawing? It kind

of felt similar to that. It's got the same kind

of style except he's not drawing weird feet.

Or shoulder pads that look like three times bigger

than their heads. ridiculously long hips. No

weird chests, man chests like Captain America.

There's none of that. But there wasn't a lot

of those moments where he does that, but there's

a couple that kind of throws you off. It's a

subpar story that doesn't really have anything

helping it along. Like I said, it's all happenstance.

There's what the fuck moments, but it's the exact

opposite of super crook what the fuck moments.

Seriously, I was reading it and I felt bad for

I got it on sale for like five bucks And I don't

even think it was worth the five bucks to be

quite honest from comics on the green No, I got

it at how dare you? Every once in a while if

there's something that's that's good at BAM I'll

pick it up, but I usually try and support Dave

at comics on the green If you're ever traveling

to Scranton, I definitely advise checking out

comics on the green. You can't miss it because

there's a gigantic silver surfer in the window.

Yeah, and Dave inside is the nicest guy in the

world, so he'll take care of you. Just go right

up and ask him questions. He'll even say, Hey

guys, how's it going? Any questions? We're up

here and ask. I do miss that place down here

in Baltimore. Anything else going on with you?

I hear you have pretty big news for us. I have.

pretty big news if you're a comic book nerd.

I feel kind of bad for announcing it because

I kind of feel like my next door neighbors, one

time they got a boat and they're out in front

of their house in this boat. That's it's more

like a yacht. I'm sorry. It's a yacht and the

yacht is bigger than their house and they're

out standing in their boat, just waving to cars

as they pass by their own personal parade. Kind

of. It was a stationary parade. But I feel kind

of a dick for announcing this. This summer I've

gotten tickets for San Diego Comic -Con. Applause

right there. Very nice, very nice. So I was just

kind of interested to know from Chuck and Dan

about their kind of con experiences and I was

just wondering if you guys have a favorite con

that you've gone to. Chuck, do you want to start

or are I... Why don't you start? I think all

the cons I've gone to, you guys have gone to

for the most part. The biggest one being New

York Comic -Con when we went to that one year.

I also have gone to Baltimore Comic -Con and

some smaller ones. And it's Granton Comic -Con,

which is probably the most notable out of all

of them. Even the San Diego Comic -Con. That's

the biggest. That's the biggest by far. It's

interesting. In some ways, I kind of like the

Baltimore Comic -Con. Obviously nothing compared

to San Diego. I think it's a good comic con for

like comic book fans because it is all comics.

You don't have a lot of the fake celebrities

like you would also in Philly. You went to Wizard

World, another one we went to, which was probably

the first con I went to. And that was an experience

for sure. The first being like the first real

one besides like Scranton Comic Con, which is

basically just comics. What I liked about. Like,

Wizard World was just kind of going to that,

getting great deals. Being my first con, I was

very surprised by, like, the seedless celebrities

that would show up, and sometimes bigger than

that. One of the saddest things about Comic Cons...

often is like the wrestling alley and just going

back and watching these like washed up wrestlers

begging for autographs and stuff like that. It's

at times it's just like, oh, jeez, it just looks

depressing. Sometimes it's not too bad. Like

Jerry the King Waller was there. We saw him out

on the street later that night. Yeah, I actually

go remember we went. Funny story I remember we

asked the people at the hotel because we wanted

someplace to go to so they gave us directions

and with myself Greg and Chuck and our other

friend Dan and they gave us directions to a gay

bar so it's like oh I guess we have that vibe

but on the way there we passed through the King

of Lawler and like the entire cast of Battlestar

Galactica. Yeah Edward James almost we saw walking

through with his cheese grater face. Yeah, yeah.

I had no idea who they were at that point. I

still kind of don't, but I'm sure Battlestar

Galactica fans are probably hating me right now.

They just seem familiar from the con, but that

was funny. And I know - You're gonna have a lot

of kids saying, frack you, Dan, frack you. And

I'll say, I just don't understand. I know, Greg,

you have a funny moment from that when a certain

Star Wars celebrity had a little bit of a mishap.

Oh my god, I felt bad for the guy but then later

on I think he came back to kick me in the butt.

We were there kind of on the like as soon as

it opened and I think they were still kind of

setting up a little bit and Peter Mayhew was

there and he was getting his seat set up and

everything and he's a tall tall man and he was

putting down a seat for himself and He kind of

fumbled with it. I think he was having problems.

I think he's he's having issues now that he's

older and being that tall. I think he's got a

lot of arthritis issues, but I'm not sure about

that. But he set up his chair and he kind of

slipped and fell out of it. He seemed kind of

embarrassed about that, but he got up and he

like slammed the chair down with quite a quite

a force and eventually. Mentally handicapped

person came over. I think they kind of made it

worse, but I don't think they that person knew

that they might have been making him feel worse

about the situation because the The mentally

handicapped guy was like, are you all right?

Are you all right? And he kept asking him about

five times. And I think Peter was kind of getting

a little upset over that. Later on, I went over

to him when I thought he would have been calmed

down. And I purchased a headshot, not of him

himself, but with him with the Chewbacca gear

on and signed it and everything. And you have

to pay for the picture and everything. I don't

think he had to pay for the autograph. he told

me the price and I didn't exactly hear him so

I just put money down in front of him and he

seemed to get upset at that because he came I

think I put 30 bucks down he goes I said $20

and I was like sorry easy fix I'll just take

the 10 away and he got a little gruff with me

I was kind of surprised Did he rip your arm out

of its socket? No, thank God. I think he could

have, the way he slammed the chair down. But

I was kind of happy to get away from him. So

that experience kind of has made me not like

to go over towards the celebrity side of cons.

I kind of stick more with the artists and the

people selling comic books. But I did have a

good experience with with Max Brooks, the author

of World War Z and the Zombie Survival Guide.

I got him to sign all a bunch of stuff and he

was just great. Yeah, I remember that too. It

was weird because that was before World War Z.

I guess not even that popular because I was there

with you and there was no line there. No, there

was one guy in front of me and that was about

it. I kind of stood there and talked with him

a little bit and I told him that I loved his

work. told them that I loved his father's work

too, because his father is Mel Brooks, the famous

comedian and director who has a shit ton of movies

out there that are just great. Highly recommend

all of them. He's just a brilliant man. Yeah,

and speaking of talking, I guess this isn't a

celebrity, but at Scramacon Comic Con, they had

the... the printer guy who worked on, he's one

of the most infamous printers I can think of

his name at the moment, but he worked on one

of my favorite books, which is Exiles. And I

had a very long conversation with him about the

process of comics and how that works in his job.

And it was just kind of impromptu, just because

it's a small place and it wasn't that busy at

that time. Again, apparently we like getting

there early because I think we were some of the

first people there. And that was kind of cool.

When we went to New York Comic Con, that was

fun. We went there on a Sunday, so it wasn't

as busy. it got it got crazy near the end and

then you're still swimming people through swimming

through people there though yeah yeah and then

the funniest part of that is after the day we're

finally heading home and we parked in the parking

garage and We're thinking, all right, should

we go to the bathroom before we leave? Like,

no, we'll just go before. That was Chuck mostly

thinking about going to the bathroom. I felt

bad for the poor guy. Sorry, Chuck. I think I

made the brilliant, said, no, we're just going

to stop at a place to eat really quickly. So

might as well just wait. Yeah, and it's only

like 10 minutes away or something. Yeah. And

we get in our car. No, sorry. Before we get there,

we get in the elevator. It's myself, Greg, Chuck,

Chuck's friend, coworker. his wife and suddenly

by going up the elevator and it stops completely

it's stuck i don't even think we made it up one

or two floors or one or two flights and we're

stuck there not moving at all and the the wife

of Chuck's friend is starting to kind of freak

out a little bit getting a little bit crazy it's

a little bit of a tense situation because you're

stuck in an elevator kind of like you know being

stuck in a closet you know R Kelly can relate

but It's a very long time. We're in there for,

I guess, an hour and a half. We all pick our

pee corners, like you should in those moments.

In order to try to calm her down, I started talking

about... I don't even remember what I was saying,

but I talked about how I was stuck in an elevator

all the time, and I just made up this story about

being stuck in an elevator and how it went...

She believed everything you said. Yeah, it was

just about how it's okay. Noises would happen,

and I would just explain, like, oh, no, this

is... Eventually it got better once they got

there and they opened the door. And it was funny

because the guys, they saw all of our Comic Con

stuff, so they started making fun of us. I forget

exactly what they said. They asked if they should

contact Commissioner Gordon for us. And I had

my Superman shirt on, so they're like, well,

why didn't you just pry the door open? Like,

I don't know. yeah and eventually it's funny

though because we were stuck between the third

and fourth floor and they were actually on the

fourth floor looking down at us so if you can

imagine it our elevator doors are finally opened

and there's this space along the top that's like

maybe two feet high and they're all squatting

down like looking at us down in this elevator

yeah for a while all we saw was beaten legs yeah

they had to drop this ladder down in and we had

to Climb up this ladder and crawl at this little

tiny hole in the top. It was a really unique

experience. It's pretty crazy. Yeah, you know,

it's your first time in New York. You get a call

in the fire department to save us. And then it's

funny because the guy who comes in to bring us

out, it's just a huge guy and we're all worried.

He slams down into the elevator too. He jumps

in and like it starts moving back and forth and

like she's freaking out. Yeah. Yeah. But that

was fun. So that was that adventure. But. I do

like comic cons. I'm like you Greg. I'm not too

huge on the whole celebrity stuff. It doesn't

really bother me I think the cool thing about

when we went to New York Comic Con since it was

on a Sunday Was that like the celebrity lines

are so low like that there were you could just

there's like no one there and yeah, was it Elijah

dusku was like hanging out with her her boyfriend

rich fox who's just like gigantic? Basketball

star and she looks so tiny next to him. He's

just he's such a small she looked tiny next to

us, too She was I I kind of stared a little bit.

I must admit she is gorgeous Yeah, so I think

we skipped over Chuck trying. Yeah, I think get

out of that talking Yeah, that's some of my memories.

How about you Chuck? What about you and comic

cons? I'm kind of more like comic cons for me.

I'm going after stuff to add to my stash. Honestly,

like, you know, I'm looking for deals, trades,

single issues, you know, hard covers, stuff like

that. I mean, I do get into like the artists

and writers a little bit. Actually, like Baltimore

was one of my favorites. Just like you said,

because it's mostly comics and I found like a

ton of good deals there, single issues that I

was looking for. trades and stuff and the cool

thing was I did get to I did get to meet Jim

Starlin who is obviously the creator of Thanos

and he wrote the Infinity Gauntlet and a bunch

of other infinity related stuff and Thanos stuff

I intended to bring a copy of Infinity Gauntlet

with me and I forgot it so I kind of had to buy

a cheap one there but it worked out because It

was actually in better condition than the one

I owned. I got him to autograph that. That was

a really cool experience, just talking to him.

He was kind of funny because he's like... Was

that great? He was kind of funny. He's like,

oh, Infinity Gauntlet, first one of these I signed

this weekend. With the popularity of Avengers

and everything, everybody wants Thanos stuff

signed by him. I know I'm probably one of the

few that... I'm not one of the few at all that

has a signed infinity gauntlet, you know by Jim

Starlin But it means a lot to me just because

it's one of my favorite characters and stuff.

So pretty cool That's a different like there's

people think who go kind of go to comic -con

just because they want you know Almost like a

financial meeting, you know, they're looking

for great deals or something like that of looking

to make money But I think when we go I think

we're just looking more for a good time and to

find stuff. Yeah, absolutely I mean and the other

good memory I have is I think you mentioned the

the wizard world in Philly. I actually got to

meet Lou Ferrigno from the the Hulk TV show back

in the 70s And that was actually pretty cool.

I think Greg got to meet him, too Yes, I noticed

a huge hand And I think we both commented on

how kind of weak his handshake was for such a

massive guy It was like shaking a dead fish That's

the equivalent. It's not wet or scaly, but it's

the same kind of meat feel that he had to his

hand. Yeah, I think we both might have, but I

know I got a Polaroid with him. He still uses

Polaroids. Yeah, I have one too. We should scan

those in and put those on Facebook or something

on our Facebook page. Yeah, I mean, it's cool

because it prints out immediately and then he

signs the bottom of it. So it's like if you took

it with a digital camera. Obviously can't get

it signed or something then so you could have

had a little digital printer back there They

have those kind of things. Yeah, true We'll need

to write him a letter and let him next episode

Please buy this I Think the amusing part too

is like the the costumes that people wear like

some of them are just funny. I mean, it's hilarious

Oh speaking of hilarious at Baltimore Comic -Con

God well Get like a train wreck. Oh, yeah, this

is like you said some of the costumes are like

impressive It's just cool to see what people

are doing if anyone had saw comic book men They

actually did an episode of Baltimore comic -con

and that's when we were there I actually got

to meet them and I walked past right by Walt's

at one point I turned and I looked at him and

I was like trying to come up with his name and

he's looking at me like Please do not say it.

Just let me pass by he looked so scared that

I was gonna say something He was trying to do

the Jedi mind trick on you I think so and you'd

see like some of the comic -cons like there was

a guy dressed up as one of the Navi from the

avat from avatar and that was Incredible and

some of the impressive but there are times when

the people just maybe their intention was there

But it just did not work specifically we were

coming back to comic -con I think we went out

for food and I forget I think I stopped to get

hand sanitizer or something and walking and I

see this guy and Obviously is that he has no

shirt on and he's I would say 50 late 50 60 ish

You know big guy like gut wise not, you know,

not best in shape The way like he was a little

further further away from me. It looked like

he had no pants on and I thought he was walking

around naked But it was nearly that bad because

he had I guess he was cosplaying as Tarzan I

don't know, but it was just this tiniest loincloth

that And everyone around was just staring in

disbelief. And taking pictures as well. Yeah.

Everyone was staring, but it was kind of that

half stare where they're looking like half away,

like they don't want them to see that they're

staring. But everybody in the room was staring

at us. And I think you both were looking at me,

waiting for my reaction. Yeah, we saw him first

and we turned around to watch you. Your face

was the best. I'm like, what? Is this really

happening? It was just so... Awkward and more

power to the guy the Baltimore comic -con is

in middle of Baltimore. It's like in a high -populated

area So he's like walking the streets like that.

I'm a concrete jungle. Yeah I'm just saying if

you're cosplaying like Cosplay smart you have

so cellulite do not do a slave layout fit or

just glad he didn't drop his wrist bracelet thing

I could not imagine trying to ride next to that

guy in the subway. It's going to be awkward for

everyone. You talked about the costumes and that

just came back in my mind. It's one of those

things that will scar you for life. Well, I think

you guys answered most of my questions that I

had about cons and stuff. I know Chuck kind of

answered this one, but I'm kind of interested

to hear your answer, Dan. What was your favorite

pick up from a convention? I know Chuck's was

the Jim Starlin signature. Oh, geez, I've never

really got anything signed, really. Well, it

doesn't have to be anything signed. It could

be, like, you picked up a graphic novel or something

like that. I guess at Baltimore Comic -Con, one

thing I picked up and kind of got into was the

irredeemable line, which is something Mark Miller

as well. And for those that don't know, it's

like if Superman went bad, because of Baltimore

Comic -Con, I got into that. It's not anything

amazing, but usually when I go, I'm just looking

for really cheap graphic novels. Oh, I did pick

up the entire Nightfall, Batman Nightfall collection

and graphic novel for like $5. So that was pretty

sweet. But yeah, nothing impressive. That's cool,

man. Well, I guess I did get the comic book man,

comic book sign, limited edition Baltimore Comic

Con version of it signed by all the different

people. It was funny, too, because I was watching

that episode of Comic Book Man, and they were

talking about how awkward it is because they

don't know what to say to people. And I don't

know what to say in those situations either.

So I was like, I have my giant shirt on, and

Walt Flanagan's like, oh, you think they're going

to win today? It's like, oh, I don't know, maybe.

You a fan? He's like, nope. And that's when the

conversation ended. Ming was really friendly,

though, but it was just a... He always seems

very friendly. I never know what to say to those

people either. That's why I stay away from the

artists and stuff for the most part, because

I just don't want to stand there awkwardly. I

have no idea what to talk about. I think they're

kind of used to it though, because nerds, geeks,

we're not the most socially outgoing people in

the world. I know I'm not. In real life, I'm

very quiet if I don't know you or anything like

that. Talk to them about some stuff, but I feel

like they've heard it a million times. You know

what I mean? Like, oh, what's it like to draw

pictures? You know, like I don't know. Thanos,

huh? That's pretty cool, right? Like, yeah. I

mean, at least with Starlin, I kind of asked

him what his favorite Thanos story was. And I

think he said it was like, you know, the death

of Captain Marvel story and some of that stuff

and the Thanos quest books. So that was pretty

cool. Nice. Nice. Any other questions for us,

Greg? No, I think I didn't even really have to

ask him. I think just starting off with what

was your favorite con you guys went off running.

So that was great. I think you got them all.

So I guess, Greg, what about you? Have you been

you've been to San Diego before, correct? Yeah,

I only got the one day pass. And to be quite

honest, it's not really my favorite time because

I got aggravated part way through. that first

trip to San Diego. I went with my boss and he

kind of paid everything. He's the nicest boss

in the world. He will take us on trips every

once in a while. As his employees, he'll take

us on trips. But we went out and the security

there were just a bunch of assholes. Like, it

was my first time and I was like, oh. the lines

are huge wherever you go the lines are huge I

just was like oh the t -shirt line the line for

the t -shirts for the comic -con itself that

line's short so I walk up and I didn't even notice

this fat job of the hut looking son of a bitch

that was holding up the sign that apparently

said that the end of the line was over against

a wall like 50 yards away I did not notice this

sign. I didn't know why he was there. He was

busy chatting with his one buddy and I go to

get in line. This son of a bitch puts his fat

chubby finger into the center of my chest and

gets all up in my face about it and goes the

line starts over there and like he's being a

complete dickhead the entire time to me. I just

like sitting there just seething and just wanting

to punch him in the face. But it was so super

early that I'm like, can't leave yet. You've

got a drawing, a commission in with Humberto

Ramos. You have to pick that up later. Do not

punch this fat son of a bitch in the face. So

I just walked away. I didn't even line up for

t -shirts. The line was actually humongous. You

have to hold it together because he could open

up the trap door into the rancor pit. I was pretty

much pissed off the entire time, so hopefully

this next time I kind of know what's going on.

You can't really sit down on the floor anywhere

in the convention or they'll throw a fit about

that. So I think I might be a little bit more

prepared so I could have a little bit more fun

this time. If you had a favorite comic con that

you've won to, which one would you say? I kind

of had fun at the Baltimore one, to be quite

honest. I was there with you guys. We didn't

have to really worry about hotels because we

just kind of stayed at your house and that was

kind of great. I just like we're used to the

area and everything at this point with visiting

you and I think that's my favorite. And you got

a pretty good, I didn't not find there, but you

picked up some pretty sweet stuff. Yeah, I got

X -Men, the first volume. I got issue number

three. And what else did I get at BaltimoreCon?

Oh, I got a sketch by I'm not sure whether it's

George or Jorge Molina. He did an awesome rogue

sketch for me that I kind of pre -ordered. Kind

of sent him an email through his deviantart page

I believe and ordered that and came to the con

and picked it up and it's pretty freaking sweet

rogue drawing that I got from him. Yeah, it is

pretty, pretty awesome. So maybe you could scan

that to Unicathode on the Facebook page as well.

Well, I'll just send you a link. I'm on ComicArtFans

.com, so you can check out all the art pieces

that I've actually had time to put up on there.

There's not many, but... I will do that. So anything

else before we take a break? No, I think I'm

good. Chuck? All right. I'm good. All right.

So we're going to take a little bit of break

here. When we come back, we have... more fact

or fiction for you, you fans demanded it and

we're here to serve so we'll see you in a bit.

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Radio. Alright and welcome back and like I mentioned

we'll be doing our factor fiction and for those

that aren't aware factor fiction is pretty self

-explanatory but basically what we'll be doing

is we'll be giving each other statements and

we'll be determining if those statements are

fact or if they are fiction and these statements

can go in a variety of different ways we have

some for each other and really we don't know

what we're gonna be in store for so it's gonna

fun just Getting some gut reactions. So Chuck,

why don't you kick us off and go through your

factor fiction? Cool. Cool. Yeah. Um, I guess

I'll start off with Dan fact or fiction. David

Hasselhoff was a way better Nick Fury than Samuel

L Jackson. That's a tough one. They were so both

memorable. I'm gonna go with fiction just because

I think I think Samuel L. Jackson maybe had a

little bit more uh you know talent is the word

I'm looking for and maybe slightly and wasn't

David Hasselhoff so that's probably the biggest

thing going for him so plus he can stand up so

and he doesn't have to rely on slow motion running

so okay let's shoot back over to Greg now um

Greg fact or fiction fact the bird the Birdemic

movie is worse than the 90s made -for -tv Fantastic

Four movie. Birdemic is worse than Fantastic

Four movie? Yeah. I'll say facts because I thought

we watching it all together, I thought we got

more laughs out of watching the Fantastic Four

made -for -tv movie than we did Birdemic, even

though Birdemic was still a freaking awesome

time watching that with you guys. Yeah. It's

kind of ironic. How did this get made? Yeah,

that's before we podcast though. It was just

you know I was sitting on a couch with Carol

going, what the hell are you guys watching? Yeah,

that's not, and of course she walks in, for those

who have seen Birdemic, I think she walked in

during the infamous love scene at the motel.

Or she's got dirty feet. Which is the most awkward

love scene of all time. No, the most awkward

love scene is the Asian girl that's wearing a

bikini. Oh yeah, that's true, that's true. So

Greg, on to you. What are your factor fiction?

Alright. Dan, Jennifer Lawrence is the best actress

of the past five years. Wow. So like someone

who's broken out in the last five years. Wow,

that's a good question. Right now, I would probably

say fact. I stumped him, everybody. He stumped.

I would say fact. I think there's some out there,

but like her range is pretty incredible. I mean,

she's done so since The Corner's Bone where she

really kind of showed her talent and She has

a comedic side. She's done kind of everything

from the big huge hit like with Hunger Games

to stuff with Silver Linings and winning an Oscar

and getting nominated again. So yeah, and she

seems like a really cool person. So just like

in her interview, she seems kind of true to life.

And I would go fact on that one. See, I got one

here for Chuck. We're going full circle on this

one, Chuck. Comic Book Men is a good betrayal

of comic book stores and comic book nerds. Oh

boy, I don't know. I think I'm going to go fiction.

I don't know. I just I don't really like that

show. I don't know why. I mean, I'm probably

going to have a lot of people disagree with me

on that, but I really don't care for the show

at all. Don't really watch it that much. So I

guess I guess I'd say fiction. I think it's not

an unfair treatment. I think there are some some

moments, but I. What I can't stand about reality

TV shows, it's when it's obviously staged, and

they're acting like these people are coming in

with all this stuff, and it's like a normal thing.

It's like, oh, this isn't staged at all. They

were just coming into the store. It's like, that

doesn't, that to me, it annoys me, which is,

I do like the show to a certain extent, but it

is pretty obvious it's not reality. On to me,

I guess I'll keep, throw it right back to you,

Greg, and I know you're a James Bond fan. but

I'm not sure who you think the best James Bond

is. So my question to you is, is Roger Moore

had the best career as James Bond, fact or fiction?

Fiction, Sean Connery. My list goes Sean Connery,

Roger Moore, then it gets a little dicey here

towards the end for me. I'm not the biggest fan

of Daniel Craig. It was a different type of movie,

the first one that he did than the regular Bonds.

And like you've all noticed from the other episodes,

I'm kind of got a nostalgic factor going on and

it didn't really leave me nostalgic at all. So

I put him at fourth. Third, I think, is I lost

his name, which is vaporized from God, no. No,

they're tied for last, I think, even though I

haven't seen the Lazenby one, but I just know

it's atrocious and he's just goofy -looking.

I'm looking for... Pierce Brosnan? Yes, thank

you. Pierce Brosnan, I think, is my third. I'll

probably get a lot of comments on that, like

I do for the Superman thing, but I enjoy hearing

the comments, so write them below, people. So

what is GoldenEye, then, the best James Bond

movie in your eyes? Yeah, that one's pretty,

like I said, I like any of Connery's older Bond

movies are right up there on my list, so I always

get them out of order and everything, but Goldfinger

is pretty much on top of my list, I would say.

It's up there. All right, all right. On to you,

Chuck. Hold on, I need to get ready for this

one, so. Oh God, what's gonna go on with this

one? Harvey Dent, can we trust him? Factor fiction.

I say we should trust him. Except when he becomes

two -faced, then we should not trust him. For

those that don't know what that's in reference

to, I'd advise checking out Pete Holmes' Batman

skits, which are endlessly hilarious and they

always have the line. Harvey Dent, can we trust

him? And they're always really funny. So that's

what that's in reference to, especially the Penguin

one. That's probably my favorite out of all of

them. With Patton Oswalt? Yeah, Patton Oswalt

playing the Penguin. It's a good time. Who's

pretty perfect, actually, for a funny Penguin

skit. Yeah, yeah. If they had a show that was

like the 1960s Batman show, he'd be perfect for

that role. All right, we're going full circle

here, Chuck, and we're back to you again. Alrighty.

Guess I'll go with Dan here again. Fact or fiction?

Magneto is the most interesting Marvel villain.

Fact or fiction? What's hilarious about this

is I also had this on my list of questions. Great

minds, great minds. It's funny. That's funny.

I would say, without a doubt, that's fact. Not

even in Marvel, I think he's the best comic book

villain bar none. A lot of it is the fact that

he is a very sympathetic character with his background

being a Holocaust survivor. His motivations are

there and he rides that line of villain and hero.

He goes back and forth at times. It's not necessarily

that he's a pure villain. I mean, at times he

goes crazy and he destroys cities, but I think

he's more so... In a way, he's a villain to certain

people, but to certain people he's a hero. Which

I guess you can say about a lot of people, but

I don't know. I think he's a very realistic take,

and he's not just out to destroy the world, he's

out to make the world better for a certain group

of people that he feels fit. So yeah, I completely

agree. Kind of agree with you on that one. I

think Thanos is the coolest villain, but I think,

like you said, just the background of Magneto,

he kind of sympathized with him. I really think

he is the most interesting. Okay, back over to

Greg. If a Deadpool movie was given a proper

treatment, Ryan Reynolds would actually make

a great Deadpool, fact or fiction. I think he's

got witty repartee and I think he's got the right,

well I can't really say look because his face

is all beat to shit and scarred, but I think

he's got the right feel to him. You touch his

muscles, he feels like a Deadpool. No, that's

not right. I'm not sure what to take from that

at all. Like, if I was going to go gay, I'd go

towards Ryan Reynolds. You know what? I could

see that. I could see that. Right? You guys would

make a cute couple. Right? I would totally love

to go for his look in Blade Trinity. That'd be

awesome. I got off the question though. But yeah,

I think if they stayed a little bit more true

to the character instead of the garbage they

gave us in Wolverine Origins, I think it would

be pretty great. And I almost said gay there.

Are we tapping into something here, Greg? No.

I'm not gay. I totally love women. You have a

Ryan Reynolds poster on your wall right now No,

I do not I have took a little too long I have

blink 182 on my wall as a poster and I have The

wave off the coast of I forget where it is, but

that's one of my favorite art prints and I have

What's his name? No, no, no, no, not Ryan Reynolds

damn it Randall Ryan shit. He was on SNL died

of a drug addiction early No, further back than

that. He had a National Lampoon... John Belushi?

Yes, thank you, with the college shirt on from

the National Lampoon movie. Greg, we don't care.

We are your friends. We love you, okay? I love

the ladies. And I have nothing against gay people,

by the way. No, of course. Nothing at all. I've

had a bunch of friends in college that are gay

and they're freaking awesome, so... But yeah,

as you were saying with the... with the Deadpool

movie. I mean, I remember when they cast Ryan

Reynolds as Deadpool and we were all kind of

like, yeah, you know, that fits really well.

Yeah. We just got crap when they, you know, came

out with that movie. I remember seeing Wolverine

Origins walking out the theater and I'm immediately

texting Greg. I'm sorry, Greg. And I didn't see

it at that point. I don't think either. And I'm

like, why? What's wrong? And I'm like, oh, you'll

find out. I guess we're back to Greg. Yeah. All

right. Well, I think we kind of covered this

one talking to people in the comments, but I

think it'd be great to discuss on the show. Dan,

the office is a great representative of how things

are in Scram. Oh, wow. That's a good question.

Thank you. Only bring the best. I would say fraction?

No. That fraction? I love him. He's great. Not

in a gay way, though. Not in a gay way. I would

probably, I would say fact in the way that I

do think like it is obviously like they're not

shooting in Scranton or anything like that, but

I do think that show gets into like small communities

and that's kind of what Scranton is about and

a lot of the references they have are to real

Scranton stores and the decorations and stuff

like that and whatnot. So I do think it's a decent

representation. The pen I have right now was

actually, the pen that I have was actually on

one of the episodes even though you probably

don't notice and they go over it really quick.

It's from where I work. They had a pen in one

of the seasons. Yeah, I mean, it's as much of

a good representation as really any sitcom is

for the city it takes place in. But I just think

in the way that it tries to incorporate like

real life, it's very keen on using real references

and bringing in like really even decorations

like stuff that people who probably aren't from

the area know. But there's like a Froggy 101

sticker, which is a radio station there. And

so I do think it's as good as you could for that

type of show. I mean, it all takes place in one

location for the most part. But I don't know.

I could also be biased because it's one of my

all -time favorite shows. It's one of my favorite,

too, except for the last season kind of killed

me. The last episode was pretty awesome. It's

what's funny about the good thing about the office

is it is has put Scranton on the map And now

when I'm in like now that I'm outside of Scranton

and I tell people where I am It's like the number

one thing people say like oh like from the office

Scranton I'm like someone even said like I didn't

even know that was a real city. I'm like, yeah

I like it when people I like when people ask

if Dunder Mifflin actually exists in Scranton.

Yeah, no, it does not. It's not a real place.

What was really cool, too, was like after the

last, I was kicking myself because I almost went

to this, but I missed it. They did like a send

off of the show and like they're at the stadium

and then they like had a parade or something

like that. Yeah, they went through the square

in Scranton, the city square. And then that night

they went to like a ton to the local bars in

Scranton. There's literally more bars. per block

than any other city in America. Bodies and churches.

Yeah. Literally, though, that's not even like

a made up thing. It was fact like Scranton was

known known as Factor Fiction. Fact Scranton

is the most hungover city in America. Friends

of mine on Facebook are posting all these photos

of like hanging out with the crew and stuff.

And I was very jealous because like, you know,

Jim and Pam, you know, from the show were selling

drinks and stuff like that, hanging out. It was

just like. I think they really did a lot to try

to represent and pay homage to the city. Sorry,

that was a really long -winded answer, but yeah.

No, that's cool. I think I'm supposed to ask

Chuck one now. John Romita Jr.'s art is as good

as his dad's art. Oh, that is definitely fiction.

I am not a fan of JRJ at all. I don't know if

it's like his eyes and his noses. they're always

like square and it doesn't matter if it's a man

or a woman or a child or anything like his faces

just look the same and I I don't know I guess

it's just personal personal preference but I

just don't like it um I would probably much prefer

his father that's what I figured you were going

for but I had to ask anyway I thought it'd be

uh good to hear because I've heard you talk about

that many a times I used to be a fan of his and

then I his his art hasn't progressed or gone

off onto a trail like if you've watched Francis

Lionel U during his younger runs, it's a lot

different from how it is now and I don't think

you see Junior's art really progress at all.

Alright, so it is back to me. I will start with

Chuck. Home Improvement is the best family sitcom

of the 1990s, fact or fiction. That would be

fact for me. And anyway, I think it's I think

it's like a family show, but it's more geared

towards the guys, which is kind of cool because

you don't have to sit through any boring or soapy

or mushy kind of family shows. It's more like

the guy. It's the man's family show. So I kind

of disagree with that a little bit, though, Chuck,

because any time there's an argument whatsoever,

it always skewed towards his wife a lot more

than Tim, even if he was in the right. He was

always wrong anyway, and that kind of bugged

me a little bit. I know it goes back and forth

right and wrong. Women, of course, are right

about a lot of stuff, but so are guys, and that

kind of aggravated me a little bit for the show.

Yeah, I think it added to the comedy though because

it was just kind of like how he dealt with that,

you know, and just yeah He would get lost in

his projects and just completely screw them up

so badly that it was comical I don't know funny

stuff. I love that show He was definitely right

on a couple of those episodes My favorite episodes

of those were the like the man's kitchen, the

man's bathroom. Oh, those are definitely the

best episodes. I totally agree. And then the

Halloween ones. These are really good Halloween

ones, too. Yeah. And the Christmas ones where

he's trying to set up the lights and he's trying

to outdo everybody. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Good

times. Good times. All right, Greg, we talked

about. You talked about Stephen King last week,

so I thought I would ask you this. And hopefully

you read this book, otherwise it will not work.

But The Shining is Stephen King's best book,

factor fiction. I haven't read it. I haven't

seen the movie, but I have watched the documentary

about The Shining. The Room 238. I think it's

seven or something. I've watched the documentary

and I enjoyed that a lot, but I have not read

the book. I have not actually seen the movie,

but watched the documentary. So I can't really

answer that for you, Dan. So what would you say

is your favorite Stephen King book? Well, I've

only read this one so far and I still haven't

completed it because I'm like, I have to read

stuff for the show. I have to read stuff for

the podcast. So it's still sitting here. I still

have a couple stories left and I'm like, I want

to finish this so I can go on to something else.

All righty. Well, the more you know, I guess.

Yeah. So that's all right. I was like, I think

he talked about it last week and I figured that

would happen. But that's all right. Anyways.

All right, Chuck, we'll bring it back to you.

You didn't was gonna save this one till later,

but I want to make sure I get it in here fact

or fiction x -men first class was better than

x2 x -men united man I've gone back and forth

with us so many times in my head I'm kind of

a dork when it comes to less and I literally

chart my top 100 shaping films almost every year

when it comes to these two like which one's which

one's better and at the end of the day I I do

think that X -Men First Class is an overall better

film. I think it's just the complete package.

I think the acting is a little bit better. There's

more characters to it. And I think the fact that

X2 becomes really Wolverine's movie for a big

portion of it, but I think X -Men First Class

with the relationship between Xavier and Magneto,

that really makes it a little bit more and has

probably the best. You know talking about cameos

one of the best Wolverine cameos of all time

Yeah, yeah, so I would say I would say fact that

X -Men First Class is better than X2, but it's

by a hair. I know, I tend to agree with you,

but it is really close because I remember when

X2 came out and that was just awesome and it

was such a step up from the first X -Men movie

and even like right from that opening sequence

with Nightcrawler in the White House, that was

freaking awesome. I think what kills X2 is that,

not kills it, but it set itself up so well for

the sequel and then you know what happened. So

it's just Yeah, I'm curious. So I'm curious as

to what Greg thinks about that. Oh, I like first

class. I actually at this point, I'm as you guys

are talking, I'm like, I should really rewatch

X2 because I forget a majority of it. But that's

that's not unusual for me because my memory is

so terrible. It's mostly like Stryker trying

to kind of take over Cerebro and kill them. Yeah.

Isn't that with what's his name? Brian Cox? Yeah.

Thank you. Yeah, definitely first class. I'm

not even going to give an explanation. I'm just

going to say first class. Alrighty. Cool. Gabe,

toss it back over to Greg. Fact or fiction, Assassin's

Creed is the best video game in the last 10 years.

Fiction. Really? Yes. I do enjoy Assassin's Creed.

I think it's... gorgeous animation in there.

And I love the history aspect of it because I'm

a big history fan. If I didn't go for my BFA,

I was going to go for a history major. Weird

thing about that is I'm going off tangent, sorry.

I love art, I love history. Took an art history

class, was total garbage at it. I agree because

I took one as well and it sucks. It's atrocious.

But anyway, back to the topic at hand. My favorite

of lasts, like, probably of all time, I love

Skyrim. Elder Scrolls, this last one, well, they

just came out with the online version, but the

one before that, because I didn't get that one.

I just love it. It's so expansive. I love the

first -person RPG. There's so much stuff to do

in it. The scenery is gorgeous. That just blows

my mind. I love those type of games. I love Skyrim.

I love Fallout 3. I love Fallout New Vegas. So

those are my favorite type of games. They're

all from the Bethesda games too, so. See where

my allegiance lies. I know like some of my favorite

times like with video games are just kind of

uh playing star wars battlefront 2 with you guys

just you know with the oh yeah that's that's

a really fun game to play in a group we did that

a lot at dan's place in baltimore back in the

day we haven't done it lately though we should

do that again we always talk about it but Part

of the fact is that I can't keep controllers

not breaking. Stop throwing them up against the

wall, Dan. We know you get frustrated. Well,

the thing is, I don't even play video games that

much anymore. It's funny because I am the video

game version of the movie fans I hate, like the

ones that just watch Transformers movies and

that's it. Because I pretty much play Madden

and that's about it. I play some other things.

I played State of Decay, which was this zombie

survival game, which was pretty fun. I just when

I hear like people say, oh, I played eight hours

and I'm like 30 to what percent done. I'm like,

I can't do that. That's that's Skyrim. Yeah,

that is Skyrim. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I fear that

hole that I can get dragged into. So I already

take up enough time with movies. So that's why

I like Madden, because you can just you can get

in, play a quick game and get your fix. And then,

you know, you don't have to kill your entire

night. I've destroyed many a night. We're back

to Greg again. All right. And I'll toss this

one out to Chuck. And I think this is one that

Dan will probably answer to. But the monkey ape

version of the beast is the best version. Who?

I guess I could have said the simian version,

but of the beast of the beast. Yes. So like the

newer. Like the newer comics then kind of no

I that's more of the the cat one But he's he's

got a weird thing going on now where I'm not

sure what kind of creature he's supposed to be

I'm just kind of getting your feel of whether

you like the cat version better or the monkey

version better. I Don't know. Well, I guess I

definitely don't like the cat version. I Really

love the 90s version. I don't know I think that's

the monkey version. That's more of the monkey

version. So your answer is fact, Chuck. Yeah,

that would be fact, because I forgot the order

at this point. I figure she did. I do it all

the time, too. I'll go fact on that, too. I hated

the cat beast for a very long time, but I kind

of grew to love it with Josh Whedon's run in

Astonishing X -Men. And I kind of like it now,

but I do prefer the 90s version. I think it looks

a little bit... I think he has a better mouse

muscular structure and I don't know. It's just

I prefer that look I prefer usually anything

from the 90s. I don't know why I'm obsessed with

that But it's probably because that's when you

grew up turning. Yeah, it explains the parachute

pants. So I know a lot of hardcore older comic

fans like Strongly dislike the 90s, but that's

when I grew up. So I'm kind of fine until that

time So I guess I'm the next one's for you Dan

and it kind of you you kind of asked Chuck, a

question that's from the same kind of thing,

but Christian Bale is the best Batman. No, I'll

say fiction. I think Michael Keaton is the best

Batman. I agree. I think Christian Bale is the

best Bruce Wayne, but I think... Michael Keaton

had the better look and I think he was more,

I don't know, I prefer him. I think his character

was a little bit more dynamic. While Braille's

a really primal in Fitzell's movies, I just don't

think there's a lot of dimensions to his Batman

compared to Keaton's. Greg, can I jump in on

this one? You can jump in on whatever you want.

This is gonna be an off -the -wall answer, but

I think Kevin Conroy is the best Batman ever.

I like that answer. I don't, yeah, I mean, I

don't know. His voice is just so iconic. I don't

know. Whenever I see Batman, I hear that voice

and it's just it's synonymous to me. It's just

it's always right there when I think of Batman.

So I don't always do you also think of Mark Hamill

with the Joker as well? Absolutely. Oh, yeah.

He's his Joker's awesome. Obviously wasn't the

first person to voice Joker, but I think he's

kind of become the standard for it by far. So,

and actually, I don't know if a lot of people

know this too, but he actually voiced the hobgoblin

in the Spider -Man animated series too, which

is a really similar voice, so. So, it is back

to me. Let's start with Chuck here. Sylvester

Stallone had a better action career than Arnold

Schwarzenegger. Fact or fiction? Ooh. I guess

that depends on your definition of better, but

I would have to say fact. Just because I'm...

pretty big Stallone fan. Not crazy about a lot

of Schwarzenegger's movies. I did like the Terminator

movies and, you know, Predator was pretty good.

I think Stallone was probably, I don't know,

I guess you could say more successful with like

franchises, mostly because of like Rocky and

First Blood and stuff like that. And now he's

kind of the leader of the Expendables group.

I guess I would say fact, I would say Stallone

probably. On to Greg. Hulk verse is Marvel's

only good direct DVD movie Factor fiction the

Hulk versus yes, I Enjoyed the the ultimate movies

that they put out the problem I have with the

Hulk versus is I thought the Hulk versus Thor

story I Wasn't it was interesting, but I thought

the the Wolverine side of that was better and

I'm trying to think of all the other The other

movies that they had out they had the Iron Man

one. They have the Doctor Strange one which Trying

to remember if I saw or not so bad that probably

falls below it then The two ultimate Avengers

they had the Iron Man like you mentioned they

had the like young Avengers one which was like

that one was awful I saw that one Yeah, I guess

I agree with that. I really like the Hulk versus

Wolverine part of that. But that's two of my

favorite characters going against each other.

And they had, I think his name's Nolan North,

who did the voice of Deadpool in that. And I

thought that was a really good version of Deadpool.

And he's also one of my favorite. I was just

going to say I could probably agree with that.

Definitely one of Marvel's best animated. Pretty

good. They also did a lot of great things with

trying to, like, certain scenes to look like

comic book covers from back in the day. So that

was pretty neat, too. All right. I guess we'll

make this the last round. But Chuck, want to

bring us around one more? We'll start with you

again. Sure, sure. Let's see. I'll do I guess

I'll go with Dan first here. Dan, settling the

long time debate once and for all. The original

die -hard movie is in fact a Christmas movie

factor fiction. It's not just a Christmas movie

It is the best Christmas movie. So that is fact

Good answer good answer Okay And then for Greg

we get a real short one here Greg factor fiction

grito shot first. No Good answer as well fiction

You don't even need to answer that. I was hoping

to stir up a little bit of, you know, controversy

there. Well, now that it's my turn, I have a

Star Wars question for you. In the prequel trilogies,

Darth Maul is the best character. Oh, wow. That's

really tough for me. I know, I know. He's your

favorite. Yeah, he's definitely my favorite villain.

But I do like Obi -Wan a lot. But I'm just saying,

of the prequel trilogy, would you consider him

a different character now that it's a different

actor playing him? Because I'll let you answer

with Obi -Wan, I just wanna... Yeah, I mean,

I actually like the younger Obi -Wan slightly

more. I'm probably gonna get some comments on

this, too. There's gonna be a lot of comments

about a lot of things, I think. I know, I'm a

young... 28 year old whippersnapper. I'm not

you know, not appreciative of the the older Star

Wars, but I don't know I liked it the younger

Obi -Wan, but that's really close I guess I haven't

given an answer yet, but I'm gonna say fact that

Darth Maul is the coolest I just love that character

I think they killed him off way too early and

they could have they could have done a lot more

with them I know in the comics they kind of attached

some mechanical legs to him and they kind of

brought him back a little bit and the whole recurring

theme of like mechanical limbs being reattached

to Star Wars characters I thought they could

have done that in the movies but uh that would

have been a cool rematch to see you know more

the more aged Obi -Wan from episode three to

kind of face off against Darth Maul but well

I have his origin story here if you ever want

to read it it's a novel though I know you're

not too into novels but I have his origin story

if you ever want to read that yeah I do have

a kind of his origins, not an origin story, but

like a backstory that's in like, you know, trade

form. This is more of a novel. It's the kind

of the origin of Darth Sidious as well. So yeah,

I like pictures. Double whammy. They're so colorful.

All right. Well, I guess I'll leap over here

to Dan. I just thought of this one, Dan. I was

like running out of ones for you for some reason.

And I think you found me enough in the shower,

I guess, huh? No, sorry, that all goes to Chuck.

Sorry. In Ryan Reynolds, it's hard to split them

up. I swear to God, I am not gay. But my question

for you is... Carol glares at you a lot while

listening to this podcast No, not Carol For those

I don't know Carol's my wife and she does listen

but no, I think she actually enjoys it She she

finds it funny. So she was laughing and I so

that's a good thing So nothing yet, but who knows

who knows my favorite though is when I'm with

you and Carol and I will say something completely

ridiculous and kind of perverted You will laugh

at it and then she will hit you. She won't hit

me. She'll hit you for laughing at it though.

My favorite parts of hanging out with both of

you is when that situation happens. That's not

the favorite part. Greg likes to get me abused.

I see. I see. Sorry. I just think it's funny.

All right. So it's my turn. Let's see here. Actually,

I'm gonna steal one. We actually got one from

a fan on our Facebook page and you can find us

on Facebook if you search Talking in Circles

GCRN, but he asked Factor Fiction Dawn of the

Dead is the best zombie movie ever and I know

Greg you haven't seen that so I'll twist it a

little bit and ask Factor Fiction the remake

of Dawn of the Dead is the best zombie movie

in the last 10 years 10, 20 years. I'm going

to say a fiction. Dawn of the Dead, Land of the

Dead, remakes and all this other stuff. I get

them confused a lot because there's just so many

zombie stories that end with dead. But I think

I'm going to go a zombie movie that's even more

recent and just kind of a little bit more out

of its genre. I'm gonna go for it since it's

got one of my favorite comedians of all time.

I think from that most of the people are already

picking up on what I'm laying down here, but

I'm gonna go with the Zombieland. I thought it

was pretty damn funny. Great cameo in there by

one of my favorite comedians of all time. It

was just funny, funny movie. Jesse Eisenberg

was really good and I'll give him a lot of props

since we were kind of shitting on him a little

bit last week, but I think that was a really

great movie and you kind of get a crush on Emma

Stone a little bit from that movie, so. Yes,

yes. I'm a big Emma Stone fan, so I agree there.

Yeah, Zombie Land's a hard one to beat. That

one's really fun. Yeah. To answer Connor Murphy's

question, I know I have seen the original Dawn

of the Dead and I don't know if it's the best

zombie movie ever. I don't know if I'm qualified

enough to say that, but I will say it's probably

like my favorite. You have a podcast, Dan. You

are allowed to, you are qualified to give whatever

answer you want. I will say, though, out of like

the classic zombie films, it's probably my favorite.

I do, I do like that more than Night of the Living

Dead. I do think it's the one that's probably

the most important because I kind of think launched

really zombies to another level. So I think you

kind of have to respect it on that level. But

plus big props to Romero because he is the zombie

god, even though I didn't pick his one of his

movies. He is a zombie god right there. He really

redefined what it was to be a zombie and then

it's kind of picked up from there I mean we wouldn't

have like we talked about early in the episode

that bring it back So I'm walking dead will not

exist without dawn of the dead on a different

spectrum I'll go to Chuck now a little again

a little bit more of a humorous one At least

I hope so factor fiction Tom Brady is still looking

for a high five That's fact actually. I saw he

was in this golf tournament recently and there

was this really awkward photo taken where he

was trying to high five a guy on the green and

the other guy was trying to fist bump him. They

snapped the picture at the perfect time and it

was just like, you know, Brady still cannot get

a high five. It's like it's almost March and

he still can't find one. Pretty funny stuff.

Like the escapades of Tom Brady. And for those

who are maybe not sports fans, I just advise

like YouTubing Tom Brady in high fives and you'll

see him many failed attempts of getting a high

five while playing football, so. Alright, so

I think that'll do it for Factor Fiction for

this week, but... If you want to listen to our

episode, each week we like to end each episode

with a letter. Last week I had a letter to Mother

Nature and... Yeah, that one failed horribly.

As I said, we've had a foot of snow here today,

so... Apparently she saw through my facade, but

this week... We were lucky enough to have Kyle

Hall, who is a listener, maybe one of the few,

but he sent us - Ravi Waldo. Yes. No matter how

much you try and convince me that Superman is

the greatest. He sent us an open letter. He said

he was inspired by us and he sent us a letter

that I'm going to read now, but I wanted to make

sure that I also mentioned his blog that he just

recently started and he's got some good stuff

up there already for someone who's just starting

out. You can find his stuff at unfocus -thoughts

.blogspot .com and I'll make sure to include

that in the show notes as well. But basically

what Kyle did is he wrote us a letter, well wrote

Marvel a letter. We're gonna read it now and

basically it kind of goes back to a little bit

of what we've been talking about but some good

stuff here, actually a lot of great ideas. So

here it goes. Marvel Studios, now that you have

the motion picture rights back for Punisher,

I would like to give you my unsolicited input

on what the next Punisher film should be like.

I'm a long -time reader of The Punisher. I started

in the late 80s and have read up to the current

series. I own all three of the movie adaptations

and feel that none of them have captured what

Punisher fans want to see. Each of the previous

films have moments that work, but as a whole

they just don't capture the feel of The Punisher.

I have one big suggestion. Watch Dread. Dread

is a film the Punisher films should have been.

I like the grittiness of Dread, but more importantly,

I like the simplicity of it. It's not an origin.

It's a day in the life of Judge Dread. There's

no world ending catastrophe to be solved, no

origin to be retold. It's a day in the world

he lives. I would love to see a Punisher film

do the same type of thing. Years after Frank's

tragedy, one day in his life as a Punisher, one

mission that's borderline impossible, just like

the one day before, and like the one tomorrow

will be. One day to show what kind of life he

lives, the choices he has to make, the raw reality

of what he has to endure by choosing the path

he has chosen. He's too far gone to ever be normal

again. There is no tomorrow, no bright future,

only the next mission, and that's all it needs

to be. Recently, filmmaker Mike Pecci made a

gritty short film called The Dead Can't Be Distracted

based on Greg Rucka's run on the Punisher comic.

He relics the trailer, and this fan film seems

to be in the direction the film should be. You,

Marvel Studios, sent Mr. Pesci a cease -and -desist

order. He has been told this film can never be

released. I think instead you should watch the

film. See what he brings to the table. and possibly

look at the filmmaker like him to revitalize

the film life of the character. My only other

suggestion is to add the Punisher to the Hell's

Kitchen based Netflix series that you have been

planned. Let him be a recurring force of nature

that interacts with Daredevil, Luke Cage, and

the other characters that will appear in those

planned series. Keep him in the shadows, keep

him gritty, and more importantly, give him the

respect he deserves. I and many friends out there

love the Punisher and just want to see the character

done right. Maybe the fourth time is the charm.

Kyle Hall, and you can follow Kyle on Twitter.

He's at MarvelZombie616 on Twitter. And like

I said, in his blog, I'll make sure to mention

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be able to find us. Anything from you guys before

we bring the show to an end? Um, yeah, I wanted

to say, you know, great letter by Kyle. Um, I

would, you know, it goes back to, I think we

mentioned it maybe in the first episode, but

that, uh, that little YouTube short movie of

the Punisher dirty laundry. I'm curious to know

if, if that's more of kind of what he's talking

about, because that's just kind of a day in his

life. You know, he's going to laundromat to do

some laundry and, you know, maybe if, if anybody

hasn't checked that out, it's, it's pretty interesting.

Yeah, and I agree with him saying Punisher would

be great in that series. I think also Punisher

would maybe even be served well in a TV series.

I think he's a character, like we said, like

you don't really need to do his origin or do

an entire episode or movie on his origin. It's

pretty straightforward. Plus we've seen it like

twice already, so I think we got it. Kyle there

had a lot of great ideas and I think he makes

a lot of great points about the potential of

that character. I'd also like to mention if you

are a Punisher fan, there is a Punisher based

podcast on GeekCast Radio called Punisher Body

Count and that you may want to check out as I

go through all the Punisher books that are currently

in print. And you can catch that at geekcastradio

.com. So, well, I just want to thank all those

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and this has been Dan and we have been talking

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