Supergirl and TMNT Comics Review, plus Fact or Fiction

Hi, this is Kevin Conroy, and you're listening

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you and I are going in circles. It feels like

we're going in circles. The circle is now complete.

When I left you, I was but the learning. Now

I am the master. Because it's a circle. Yeah,

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again for this week but before we get to our

before but but before we get to that how's the

week been going for you guys uh week's been kind

of shitty but um just for random personal reasons

starting on a high note starting on a high note

yeah yeah i guess the one bright one of the bright

spots is uh the resurgence of my Miami Dolphins,

which is pretty exciting. And yeah, they, you

know, just have to play the Houston Texans and

then all goes well. Yeah. I mean, oh, I don't

know. Greg's booing because he ruined his fantasy

weekend. Yes, you did. I don't know how short

lived this will be or how long lived or whatever,

but hey, I'm enjoying it right now because the

last time we. Pounded two teams back -to -back.

I can't even remember so But by the time sounds

a little dangerous pounding two teams back -to

-back. Yeah, you know back -to -back weeks I

have no idea if we'll have lost the Patriots

or not, but You know, please kick their ass As

long as we're playing tough then I'm I'm satisfied

Dan Campbell era is starting well, man. He's

a yeah, he's a beast so far. Yeah, I hear they're

calling them the Miami Campbell's now so This

is totally changed the culture of that team.

So I mean, yeah I'm just waiting for next year

when he gets to use the new Campbell soup guy.

So yeah It's gotta be I feel bad for Joe Philbin

who's like yeah, I guess it was me. I know I

thought about that the other day. I'm like I

wonder what Joe Philbin's thinking sitting on

his couch at home like damn 82 points in two

weeks my bad Greg how things going with you pretty

good pretty good. I actually had a date this

past weekend that went really well and Thank

you it was with this girl I met down in Philly

so we had to meet halfway and I really don't

get down that far south that sounded dirty and

so I asked my boss some good places to go near

Allentown, Bethlehem area in Pennsylvania and

he suggested A speakeasy, which was really awesome.

It's kind of a nice little high -class place

and like all speakeasies, it was really hard

to find. It's just this little door in the side

of a building that had - What exactly is a speakeasy,

Greg? Uh, speak easy, uh, is from back in the

prohibition era where mobsters would try to sell

their booze patrons. So they kind of had it like

little dark sellers and everything. Um, they

used to have a little latch or door that they

opened up to speak out of and look out of and

ask for a password and everything. Um, and they

would serve cocktails during the prohibition

era. Uh, so this kind of really fell into that

and the name of the place is the books. and so

it had a bookstore, speakeasy feel to it. There

was no little thing to open and ask for a password,

but the door was really hard to find. In the

random middle of a building, just a door with

the bookstore written on it. Didn't they didn't

hold up a card and you had to say like a frog

on a bench nothing like that at all but it was

that would that would be a pretty bad ass thing

to pull out for the first date though. Yeah it

was it was a very crowded place apparently I

needed reservations but I was able to get seats

at the bar she was a bit late so I kind of sat

down. Uh, started ordering all these different

cocktails and everything. Uh, I had a Brown Derby,

uh, something that sounds like scars are something,

uh, which was Scarlett Johansson. Yes, Scarlett

Johansson. She comes on the table, open -legged,

um, Stellan Skarsgard. He did not come up to

the table, uh, open -legged. But it's really

cool to have a menu in a book they have it like

pasted the menu pasted in a couple pages that

you look through the book in order stuff I also

had a meat and cheese tray which is really good

and I had a pulled pork sandwich I date finally

arrived and she had some parole. Yes all that

before my date arrived and she arrived she also

had a cocktail and she ordered off their small.

plate menu and she had some pierogies and then

we headed off and we went to a haunted house

in sailorsberg which was really good so it was

a really good day get her all liquored up and

then scare the shit out of her oh my god she

screamed so loud it was pretty funny I got to

say though that's pretty brave to pull out the

pulled pork on a first date because I'd be worried

for a number of reasons just like a getting it

on me like you know gigantic stain of pulled

pork sauce, but I'm a professional Dan I I actually

make my own pulled pork so I'm pretty good with

it so Actually made my own over this weekend

as well. Oh nice nice We'll have to upgrade you

to a smoker soon Yeah, one day, one day for sure.

Did you smoke it for 13 hours like Arby's though?

I know, one day I can be their quality. One day,

yeah. I just gotta get unprocessed meat. Well

actually, funny because you're in that area,

I was not that far away from you because I was

around Reading PA over the weekend. What? Yeah,

I know, that's weird. I met up with some friends

in that area, friends and family. And one thing,

we went to this little fall festival thing. You

wouldn't know it, kind of related to Robus Tree

Farm. Okay. It's almost like a converted farm.

They have a corn maze, and they have stands set

up with different fall decorations. There's a

pumpkin patch. All this great stuff if you're

old like me apparently now But yeah, I'm gonna

put some friends we went on the corn maze with

our kids because they also have a little baby

who's not that much a little one that I saw on

your one page and then I commented Dan you have

a growth coming out of the front of you. You

should get that checked out by a doctor Yeah,

I got to break out the the daddy daycare backpack

where I hold the you know You put the kid in

and they like holding them on your shoulders

or in the front of you like you're like a like

a baby fanny pack kind of yeah i noticed that

instantly got deleted somehow no it's still there

oh is it because when i checked it was deleted

it was nowhere in sight i'm like oh nobody liked

my joke that's the that's the carol virus i responded

to it too oh did you i didn't see that i'm gonna

have to check that now i'm sorry yeah i said

i forget what i said but um It says something

about it's been around for me for a while now.

I just can't just it just won't go away But yeah,

that was a little bit corn maze one in this core

maze and we used to do that all the time But

this is the first time I think I did one during

the daylight Which was different and the one

we usually do it like you go to different stations

inside of it You get like pieces of a map But

this one had like questions throughout that would

tell you they ask you a question and give you

three options God, it's the Riddler. I know open

to corn me It's like the Saw movies. I know.

Option A, you'd go take a right. Option B, if

you think of the answers B, go straight or what

have you. But it took us a little bit to realize

how helpful those were. But eventually we actually

made our way out when, you know, we just let

the babies guide our way out and we found it.

But it was a good time. They had this apple shooter,

like this gigantic apple cannon gun that you

could shoot. And they had like Old broken down

cars. You would shoot these apples at you know

first It's fun fun for the whole family type

of stuff. So awesome. You kind of saw this first

gun Yeah, it was kind of it was like a gigantic

potato gun, but you chewed apples Okay, your

response and it is still here. It says don't

worry. He has his shots. So There you go. He

does. Yes So they parked they had they had all

these like drunk cars parked there and stuff.

They just had like two junk cars that they were

so beat up though that when you hit it it didn't

like do anything because it just added more dense

to all the dense that were already there but

you know the concept is fun enough i guess nice

uh the best part though was uh they had they're

making donuts oh you know being fall they have

this fall stuff but they had adam apple cinnamon

donuts that were like fresh and like warm That

was Chuck's best noise thing that he has done

on this podcast. It was a bucket of deliciousness,

so it was a good time. Love those donuts. Yeah,

yeah, so that's what's going on. And another

interesting thing that happened this week was

I was actually kind of excited because my wife

was actually interested in watching a comic book

TV show that was coming out. Well, mainly because

every time we watched a NFL game, there was like

8 ,000 commercials for it. And that was Supergirl.

That was the recently debuted I know the pilot

was leaked online months ago But I kind of held

off and I figured out I'd wait to see when it

comes on to see their actual legit pilot And

I know check I think you checked it out as well.

It was curious to hear what you thought of the

pilot superhero Well, you what you see you want

me to go first and If you if you dare, I guess

I don't know pressures on Yeah I thought it was

okay. I wasn't particularly impressed with it.

This is a great startup. Yeah, that that sound

effect of a There's kind of the reaction. I think

I get from everyone who talks about the show.

It's like, yeah Yeah, it's like you it's like

you want so bad to find something good about

it But yeah, it's like you don't you don't hate

it. It wasn't awful, but I was just like yeah

Well that happened. I guess I'll go through kind

of some of the stuff that uh that bugged me about

it My first complaint is too much, too fast.

There was so much packed into this episode. Like,

I'll throw a little spoiler warning out here,

but it's not, I'm not really ruining much, but

basically some of the things they go over like,

you know, they cover Krypton, Superman, her childhood,

her sister, then go to her job. They throw all

these other characters in and there's tons of

randomness. and then they throw another character

in at the end at the very end and it was just

like what is happening like they just covered

so much time and so many things and so many introductions

it was just it felt like too much to me like

if i think if they simplified the story for at

least the pilot episode i think it would have

benefited them greatly Second that's interesting.

Sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt but actually

that's kind of interesting because I think that's

one thing I I did kind of like about it Maybe

I don't disagree that there is maybe a little

too much But I liked how at least that's the

sound that I was a little worried that it was

the entire first episode was just gonna be about

her Making the decision to become a superhero

or not and like it would be not until the very

end to when that decision is made I was kind

of glad that didn't happen because I'm like I

felt like we've we've done that Story so many

times. Yeah so often but Like I was kind of glad

that with before the first commercial break,

like that decision was made. So that was one

one thing I did like that. I thought it didn't

take too long to get going. Right. But I don't

disagree that they covered a lot of things within

like they're doing world building. It's like

the DC movies trying to get up with Marvel. It

felt like they're just let's let's do everything

in this episode. Yeah. Like if like it felt really

rushed to me, like, for example, the one scene

in particular was when she. Was making her costume

Like she she just kept like go in her room, and

then she'd come out with like these totally different

things It's like okay. How did you get that?

Where did where did that even come from and?

It was just like Really rushed like it was really

fast and it's like okay. How did you make that?

Where did you even get that from like where did

you get the inspiration to take that look like

and really I don't know. That's just one small

thing, but For first I thought she was like working

at some sort of fashion Magazine or fashion location

because yeah, I got a huge impression of like

this is similar to The Devil Wears Prada like

that her boss is very much in the line. So I

entire time I was thinking that she was in fashion

and that's why I didn't really question that

but then I realized no, she's actually She's

a reporter. She works for a newspaper too. So

that was yeah. Yeah, I thought like What really

would have worked great for me is if they just

kind of focused in on one specific Event like

a like a challenge or like a trial of when she

was younger like just one specific situation

that she was put in that was very trying and

tested her metal and grit so to speak and I thought

something like that like would have been a great

pilot episode instead of trying to cover the

entire backstory in one episode. Just give us

like a slice out of like a cross section out

of her life. Like give us one harrowing situation

and see how she responds to it. I thought that

would have been a great hook to like grab people.

Is it me or is it - I know this isn't the show's

fault because it's kind of the origin of the

show, but the idea Supergirl, like it's like,

oh, we sent her to protect Clark. Like, why would

you send a 13 year old girl to protect a baby?

Should we send this soldier or this, you know,

this other, you know, a parent? No, we'll send

a 13 year old girl. It'll be okay. It's like,

wait. You're just putting two people in danger.

This concept makes no sense. Why is nobody questioning

this logic? Why is no one thinking, maybe this

isn't the best idea in the world, that this is

the way things are going to work? Yeah. I just

thought that was kind of funny. No one's, this

is, all right, well, we'll just get with it.

I guess, I don't know. I guess babysitters are

highly regarded on Krypton. I don't know. I guess.

I don't know. Yeah. You would think Jor -El would

have been like... Should go back over there.

I'm going You know, we have this technology can't

we just make a couple more I know You made two

ships like can you just make like three more

ships for like your other like family members

like I don't know I know that goes back to the

or you know, there's a it's just kind of funny.

I just thought that was funny. It's just Anyways,

yeah, so we spent all this time preparing you

a 13 year old girl to protect this kid when we

could have built two more ships for us But I

just feel like that's something like family guy

or something like that would mention. Yeah, why

aren't they? Really? Do they not have spaceships

that have two seats maybe like I guess another

thing I'd bring up, the special effects to me

were kind of terrible. The one shot I thought

looked kind of cool was when she runs out of

the building and you see the plane off in the

distance on fire. I thought that looked good

and then it got closer. I actually really liked

the telescopic x -ray vision where she looks

up into the plane and she sees her sister on

it. And you know, obviously she's standing on

the ground. So she looks up and through the plane.

I thought that was pretty sweet, actually. Yeah.

But like the some of the flying scenes and the

fight scenes definitely left something to be

desired. Like, yeah, the physics look kind of

off. They look really like the way people would

jump. It just like when she was fighting that

guy at the construction site or the dock, whatever

it was. And he was like she got hit into those

pipes and stuff. And the way you'd throw her

around, it just seemed like choppy, kind of like

a video game sort of. It wasn't smooth and then

also the scene when she's fighting him by the

truck And she was just kind of like up in the

air like it just looked so obvious that she's

suspended from wires Like it just there's something

just seemed off about it. It's just like oh,

yeah She's hanging from a couple wires. You can

almost like see how she's Hanging there like

by her yeah by her harness or something. It was

just yeah, it was pretty awful like I mean, I'm

used to seeing TV graphics like watching the

flash and stuff, but the flash speed effects

are pretty awesome. I will give them that. Some

of the other things aren't always so great, but

the speed effects are pretty awesome. I don't

know. That kind of left me a little puzzled.

Yeah, I don't disagree. I thought, again, the

plane sequence looked pretty good for the most

part. But once you got into the physics of her

flying and the back and forth, it wasn't all

that great. And I think my message to you, which

may go along with what you were saying, if you're

going so fast, was that her character, too, just

felt really inconsistent. I couldn't figure out,

at one point, she's like, she's going to be super

determined, won't let anything stop her. And

then she's not like that anymore. And she's more

self -doubt. I couldn't figure out. where exactly

do they want this character to go. But I do think,

you know, for a pilot, it has those elements

and I think a lot of those are fixable for sure.

I thought, honestly, like if I were to compare

this to the pilot for Arrow, I think I actually

ended up liking it a little bit more. But what's

weird though, it feels more CW -ish than the

actual superhero shows on the CW. I don't know,

it just has that vibe and not to get into this

conversation, but I did, I ended up going on

IMDB and I was like, okay, who's like writing

this show? Who's being part of the show? Who's

producing it? And there's like all, it's all

guys. It's all guys. And I, and I think it's

kind of evident too, cause I don't feel like

they can, not that a guy can't write a strong

female character cause it's been done before

or vice versa, but it just, it doesn't seem like

maybe for this, they could have used someone

else. I don't know. It just doesn't, it. Like,

her talking and her character feels like what

a middle -aged guy thinks a girl that age acts

like today. Yeah, that's a good point. It doesn't

seem very authentic to me. Because I was going

to bring up something like that, too. Like, she

really came off like an overly energetic but

self -doubting teeny -bopper, kind of. It was

just kind of annoying at times because it was

just, like, too over -the -top. Like, okay. And

as sad as this is, I do know this actress because

she was on Glee and my wife watched Glee, so

I inherently watched a few episodes. And she's,

you know, legit. She's pretty good. She's a rather

good singer. And I was actually talking to my

wife about this. I'm like, if they ever did like

a CW or a... DC musical they have like a lot

of talent on their hands because they have her

they have the actor who's the flash And the guy

who's the cop for the flash. He was in rent He's

a he's a great singer too. So they've all this

musical theater talent that's making up their

universe. It was just kind of funny The new 52

the new 52 musical I guess exactly maybe one

day one day but I think I will try another episode.

I am glad. The ratings were insane. It was the

biggest debut for a comic book TV show ever.

It was 13 million people. It beat the Agents

of S .H .I .E .L .D. record, which was 12 million.

Which I think is good. I think that's overall

great to see that especially for a female driven

character for a superhero show And hopefully

Marvel and DC will look at that and say hey It's

gonna happen that we have Jessica Jones coming

out And I think that's probably gonna make this

look really not nearly as good because it's probably

be it'll probably be so much better But I'm gonna

give it another episode, you know, it's it's

a pilot so pilots tend to Very rarely our pilots

are really good. So I I have hope but I'm most

likely gonna be just one thing I've been dropped

watch once it all comes out. So, I don't know

you think you'll stick with it for next week

Yeah, I'll definitely give it a chance. Like

I said, I I wasn't totally sold on Melissa Ben

wasp, but I guess like it might take her a few

episodes to get settled into that role so I'll

definitely give it a few more and You know if

by episode four like it's I'm still not crazy

about it then maybe I'll abandon it but there's

there's something else I wanted to mention a

couple other things maybe go ahead I really did

not like the Jimmy Olsen character just because

like it felt like they completely changed the

core of that character because I'm like wait

a minute he's athletic and confident now I'm

like he gives life advice and He's muscular and

like he just and then he also kind of seems too

old you know to be like a Jimmy Olsen character

like it just didn't work at all for me like You

know that's not what I think of when I think

of Jimmy Olsen you know what I mean like I think

I'm sort of like a younger kid like a Someone

that you know follows you around like a tail

sort of like he wants to be in on the action

not someone that's like kind of, you know, brooding

and confident and like, definitely can handle

yourself. Do you want them to be like this? Yeah,

pretty much. Not that extreme, but more on that

side. Yeah, I was getting where you were going

with it. Yeah, I can see like why that if you're

you know, what traditionalists or like someone

who likes that character Well, why do you be

turned off by like their interpretation which

is you know complete 180 from it? I guess the

way I kind of look at it too is you know, maybe

this guy was that way, you know when Superman

first came out because I think it's pretty evident

in this universe that Superman's been around

for a Good while at least maybe ten a decade

or so. Maybe it's hard to tell considering my

thought process with it is probably that They

wanted some way to connect it to Superman, which

I find that each time we bring him up, they had

to come up with a different way to say his name

because they can't say Superman. Yeah, I was

going to comment on that too. They never actually

said Superman. Yeah, the big guy or my cousin.

It's just like, I don't, it's so stupid. I don't

know if it's a legal thing or what have you,

but it's just, it's ridiculous. It's like, Oh,

I don't know who they're talking about. So who

could they possibly talking about? I think they

might've said Kal -El in the beginning. Yeah,

possibly, but they never said Superman. Yeah,

you're right. But for me, I actually like the

character as The character maybe not compared

to what you expect is Jimmy Olsen, but I don't

I like the actor He was in True Blood for a while

and I find him I found him compelling compared

unlike nearly every other side character in this

I found her boss way too cartoonish and I felt

like she was just trying to be Meryl Streep in

Devil Wears Prada, but not nearly as good her

other friend was just again felt very cliche

I'm interested in seeing where it goes like him

kind of flipping that character on its head and

making him more the the opposite of what he is

Superman and I think it kind of makes sense if

you look at it that way where it's like you know

Superman brought him along and now he's you know

bringing Supergirl along you know to maturity

you know is it is it against everything that

character was? Yeah, but I just wonder if you

had Jimmy Olsen as a character, could you do

much with him? Maybe they should have just created

a character, though that itself might have been

an issue, but I don't know. I get why people

are upset, but I don't really mind it at all.

That's why I was kind of thinking, like, that

other character, I forget his name, but the IT

tech whiz, it seems like sort of... repetitive

like that they have both of those guys there

like I felt like if they had one of them Just

keep one of them. That would be sufficient Yeah,

so now you have these two These two guys that

are you know the one obviously Kind of has a

crush on her and she kind of has a crush on the

other one So I guess they're trying to play like

a love triangle type thing. Maybe they'll develop

that I don't know, but I did think it's funny

though that like she It took her what 15 minutes

to reveal her secret identity. I know it's like

I'm just gonna start telling people Like you

can't like you can't give it a day She's so worried

about it. She's so worried that like you know

people have these photos of her and then Immediately

on a roof. That's not the highest building so

people can see you down if they're looking out

their window So I did not think that through

at all I feel like a lot of people would actually

behave that way if it happened to them on Facebook.

They'd be like. They'd be checking in on, you

know, underneath the airplane on their phone.

They'd take a selfie like, oh, so so glad to

be a superhero right now. Like what? Yeah, very

true. I know. But yeah, and also did think like

logically. The thing with Jimmy Olsen doesn't

make too much sense that that he's sort of Bringing

her along or guiding her because it's like it's

it's Superman's cousin Like don't you want to

come and talk to her at all? Like yeah, they

kind of make it seem like they haven't spoken

in years or something It's like, you know, they

don't refer to him. Like he's very close or anything

at all it doesn't seemed like she really looks

up to him a whole lot. You know, obviously she

respects him, but it's like, wouldn't Superman

come and make sure that his cousins being Sort

of brought up with the right ideals and values

and stuff instead of sending this random Photographer

from a newspaper to kind of like look after it's

like it would take you got stuff to do Can you

just you know? It would literally take you like

one second to fly to where she is and just be

like so hey, how's it going? You know, I heard

you fight this, you know, really tough guy from

the Phantom Zone. Are you okay? Yeah, great job.

You did great. Keep it up. Are you see you later

and like one second to fly back to metropolis

like i don't know i guess that's stuff that they

can't really do much about but superman's got

shit to do chuck yeah lois lane is very demanding

you know yeah she's she's got expectations i

i guess that's a that's inherent danger of that

like having introducing her to this but i'm interesting

to see if like they're gonna pull it because

the it does seem based upon the setup that they

clearly are diverging from, I think, I don't

know much about Supergirl's origin. I know it's

been changed a bunch, like with the, you know,

the monster of the week that they have set up

and whatnot. But that's my, also my other worry

with it is that it just feels like it's going

to be a very straight procedural that just going

to be, you know, the same thing every week. That's

because CBS is kind of notorious for doing that.

So, I don't know. I'm worried about a consistent

villain as well. Like, you know, Flashhead, Harrison

Wells. which was a great villain the whole first

season. You know, Arrow, specifically season

two, you look at Slade Wilson, that was a great

season long villain. I mean, that made for some

great episodes. It's a little tougher when you're

doing the, you know, the freak a week approach

like Smallville did. And, you know, it's harder.

It's easier to jump on, but it's also harder

to sustain and like keep people's attention.

So I guess it's a slippery slope, but. Freak

a week. That's a way to go with it. Yeah, that

freak a week. Yeah. Yeah It's uh, you know Could

be someone with bad data with a bad dating retirement

or something But yeah, so I guess lukewarm responses

all around for this so Greg get excited to check

it out I guess Yeah, so I would say hold off

honestly, I will say I liked it much better than

Gotham's pilot Gotham yeah I don't disagree with

that I do think it's better than Gotham which

I've heard Gotham has gotten a lot better so

actually I'm gonna have to recheck it out because

I've heard it's getting a lot better so I don't

know I'd be here curious to say you can be the

guinea pig yeah go right ahead yeah I'm still

holding on I'll keep you posted Awesome, but

I'm Greg. I'm hoping you can you can bring us

back around because I know you've been reading

something Regarding some classic characters,

and I'm hoping you know maybe your review is

a little bit more positive than ours Fortunately

probably not I'm sorry I am so sorry so sorry

so sorry that was kind of racist. I'm sorry But

I read a book that I got from Baltimore Comic

-Con for a really nice price. It was only ten

bucks and it's this really nicely done hardcover.

Put together very nicely, I should say. But I

have read Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 25th Anniversary.

And the stories... very lackluster. I haven't

read any Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles stuff before.

This would be my first time reading it because

I was a 90s cartoon kind of kid. So this is the

first actual comic stuff that I've read from

the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And it was

kind of very lackluster on the story. There wasn't

any They were very, very, very simple stories.

There wasn't anything really behind them. It

was just a collection of stories that I believe

it was Eastman really liked and put together.

So are these like classic stories that came out

like years ago or these newer stories that he

created? I think it's a combination of both.

And the only one that I found really intriguing

was the Appearance of Casey Jones into the Teenage

Mutant Ninja Turtle worlds, which I found kind

of interesting but It was it was also fell to

a very simple story Just happenstance of meeting

happenstance of the whole thing going on And

Casey Jones is definitely different than the

movie persona that we got. It was just different,

I guess, than what I expected. I don't care for

Eastman and Lard artwork either, it's... I don't

know i just found it sloppy it's not the style

i like i guess i don't really know. Black and

white is like the classic is this this they had

some color they had some black and white stories

so is a little combination of both but apparently

they were black and white. and they were colored

for this book. It was just a tough read for me,

I guess. I kind of had to struggle with it because

the stories were so simple that there wasn't

a lot for me to get interested in. The stories

could get kind of goofy. It wasn't goofy really

for me in a fun way, I guess you would say. It

just all really fell flat for me for the most

part, but the most disturbing thing about the

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in comics form is

their tails. Their tails were so creepy because

it looks like penises all the time. I swear the

front on the front cover they have coming down

the side is like Leonardo kind of like jumping

in in midair and It looks like he has like his

little danger coming out the bottom of them there.

It's just Since I've noticed it. It's What my

eye instantly keeps going to anymore. It's like

a train wreck it's so so that's also a giant

like what the hell turn off for me so it it was

it's just weird i guess interesting i i've never

read any of that stuff but i i have read the

id like the new updated idw series who uh like

TFG at one mic from key cast reader talks about

all the time. I'm like episode episode G so I'm

in like issue 35 and That took a little bit to

get going like it was probably not until like

the 15 issue that I really started getting into

it So you may want to check that out, just be

warned that it takes a little bit to get used

to. But I did find that a very good updated version

of it. And like that was the first time I myself

read any comic book version of the turtles. And

I like the they have a kind of an intriguing

twist on them in regarding like the past of the

turtles and how it affects their future, the

present of them. And it's which I thought was

a cool way to kind of explain their different

abilities and stuff better than, you know, them

watching a video in the movie or whatever they

did. Have you watched have you read any classic

turtle stuff Chuck? I thought I remember you

talked about one way back when if I'm not mistaken

Yeah, I read some of the original Issues like

the first few issues that Eastman and Laird ever

did I was I was highly impressed with those they

were like I Think I got through like maybe the

first four issues or something like that. I really

really liked those That's kind of where the original

movie came from Okay, those stories, but I think

once they got past those storylines I think it

got into the little goofy stuff like Greg was

talking about like they started going into outer

space and other dimensions and stuff and Yeah,

the IDW series does get kind of goofy too, but

it's I guess it's fun enough. I would say it's

not like Groundbreakingly amazing, but it's enjoy.

Yeah, I think they're at their best when they

stick to like the the shredder stories for the

most part Yeah, very cool. Well, hopefully we

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Yesterday we were playing one of our favorite

games, Fact or Fiction. It's pretty straightforward.

We're gonna say a different type of... We're

gonna say a statement and then we're gonna give

our opinion on if that statement is in fact...

Fact or if it is and our friend is in fact fiction

If exactly or if it is in fact fiction, man,

my words are not working for my mouth today.

It's a like a word jumble of Blowness I see I

can't even correctly come up without saying to

say how I can't talk. So it's just been it's

been crappy. Anyways Alright, so we'll be tossing

different things around Anyone want to Greg?

Did you have any that you wanted to toss out

first? Sure Factor fiction, guys. Billions make

the hero. Chuck, you want to handle that first?

Sometimes? I'm going to say fiction just to go

because I think I know where Dan's going. But

I'm just going to say fiction because I think

sometimes if you have a hero that's written well

enough, I think he could sort of define himself

and make for some great stories. Although it

does pull it down if you have some bad villains,

but I think he's written well enough. You could

have some really great hero stories. All yes,

I will all go the opposite I'll say fact because

if you look I think if you look at the greatest

Superheroes at least the ones that are the best

superhero stories They tend to be the biggest

focus on the villain or at least have a an interesting

villain at the crux of it in some way So I do

think without great villains. You can't really

have a great superhero I mean, that's maybe why

Batman's such a great character is that he has

so many villains to play with same thing with

Spider -man But then you look at someone like

Incredible Hulk who's a good character character

but who gets hurt because he doesn't have really

great villains or archetypes so and you know

look at something like Dark Knight the best comic

book movie ever which is most of the focus was

on the villain because they tend to be the most

compelling characters because most superheroes

in some ways are pretty consistent there's some

exceptions to that but it's the villains that

kind of I think allow for growth and allow for

them to Be challenged, so I'll say fact. Yeah,

let it be known. I totally agree with Dan, but

I was just I was trying to go the other side

of the coin because I knew what he was gonna

say but It didn't didn't work out so well Greg,

what do you think? Yeah, I definitely agree with

you guys that it Good villain definitely does

bring up a hero, and I liked your example use

of Batman. He does have one of the best rogues

gallery around, especially with the Joker, I

think, leading that rogues gallery. But even

if you had Batman by himself still, he would

still have some great stories and everything.

But if you have somebody like the Punisher who

it's like all mobsters, like no name for the

most part, except for maybe like Jigsaw, it does

get kind of boring and a little bit repetitive

if you ask me. Alright, good to know. Chuck,

do you have one? Yes, I'll use Greg's nice segue

here. My statement is... John Bernthal's Punisher

in season 2 of Daredevil will be the best version

of the character to date. Perfect. I guess I'll

go first with this one. Man, I really like Thomas

Jane as the Punisher. I don't know if that's

sacrilegious or what have you. I like John Bernthal.

I think he's a good actor, but I think he can

overact, especially in Walking Dead at times.

So I'm gonna go with fiction. I'm gonna go and

say... It'll maybe be the most successful, but

I don't know if it'll be the best version of

the character, so I'll go fiction Greg yeah,

I I also like Thomas Jane as the Punisher. I

think he was definitely the best Punisher out

there But I kind of agree with Dan's statement

there at the end that it's it's going to be The

the latest best version I don't think it's gonna

be the best of all time, but I think it's gonna

be the latest best version It's better than who's

the last guy that was Punisher? Steven Steven

Stevenson, whatever it is. Yeah his He did a

good betrayal of the berserk kind of crazy Punisher

He did an admirable job. Yeah, I think it's more

of how they developed that character. Thomas

Jane had a good version of Punisher where it

was a thinking Punisher. That's the version of

Punisher that I really enjoy, especially how

he went about his business in that particular

movie. Yeah, he was getting all emotional about

it. He was very dark and rooting. Made you kill

your family. Made you kill your best friend.

Gotta agree with you guys. I don't think it'll

be the best per se I Think it'll be great for

what they're doing. I think it'll it'll work

within that universe and it'll work well with

daredevil but I think I'll still keep the Thomas

Jane version very very near and dear to my heart

I will say it's probably gonna be the best use

of the Punisher because I do think the Punisher

is best When he is not maybe the main focus,

but a piece of the puzzle Yeah, like I think

like him in his relationship with daredevil could

be really interesting So if you know the actor

per you know, the specific actor maybe not but

maybe the character itself how it's written and

how it's used I I'm thinking it probably will

be so hopefully yeah, he was always really good

in those stories or it was spider -man daredevil

and the Punisher and daredevil and spider -man

are constantly trying to keep Punisher calm down

and Interesting storylines and interesting interactions

with the characters. Yeah, I was I was reading

Most recently I'm trying to catch up with all

the secret war stuff and I was reading Universal

End which is like the end of the ultimate universe

in the Punisher for the ultimate universe and

the Punisher from 616 meet and it was it was

it was alright that comic itself is pretty awful

though I would not recommend it. It's not one

of the side issues for secret Secret Wars, I

would say you should pick up. There are a few,

but not that one. Alright, what else? I have

one here. It is, by the time this comes out,

Halloween has already come and passed, but with

it, you know, around that time, there's a lot

of great Halloween candy, but fact or fiction,

candy corn is completely uneditable. Oh, fact!

Fact! Fact! Fact that is the grossest stuff the

grossest candy on this planet grossest and that's

even that's even like Yes, that's even with like

chocolate covered Insects, I would rather eat

one of those then you don't know how to live

man. Oh my god Even the pumpkins You mean the

pumpkin candy corn ones? Those are also disgusting.

The pumpkin ones are a little too sickish, but

the candy... They're a little bit too much, but

I like the candy corns. I don't know. It's not

my favorite, but you know. I have not had it

in a long time, but I remember liking it a lot,

but I... I always remember like Louis Louis not

Louis okay, but I Louis black spit on candy corn

He's like all the candy corn that was made was

made 20 years ago It's the same stuff that keeping

him back. I never produced anymore. Yeah, but

I used to like to stick it Stick two of them

on my incisors and pretend they're fangs or whatever.

But I used to, did you do that within this week?

Yeah, it was last weekend. No, actually just

this week I bought a bag of Reese's and a bag

of Kit Kats because they're like my two favorites

so I've kind of been munching on them all week.

Much better choices, much better choices. Yes.

All right. Greg, do you have any other ones?

Let's see. Factor fiction Freddy Krueger is The

creepiest would be the creepiest real -life horror

villain Yeah So like he would but he would have

all his like powers he does in the movie. Yes.

It's just him brought into the real world And

he does rape children. So keep that in mind.

That is also very creepy Man, so he's got that

going. Technically in the original, like, it

was, you know, you didn't know for sure if it

happened or not. Yeah, but he totally did. Guilty

until, I guess, I'm not gonna defend Freddy Krueger.

I don't know. Chuck, what do you think? I think

he's definitely a candidate. I don't know. Can

he be killed? Have we established that he can't

be killed? Don't think he can be and if he is

he comes back. He's like a Superhero in a comic

book there there have been like different things

like, you know, there's like the dream warriors

and stuff like that I mean by the end of each

movie. He's usually taken care of in some way

So I think he can be taken care of just like

any other supervillain, but you know it or super

You know a horror villain. I mean if we go if

we go with Canon Films like, you know, Freddie

versus Jason We have, you know, Jason chopped

his head off and he's still kind of alive. He

kind of opens his eyes or whatever. I hope I

didn't spoil the end of that movie for anyone.

You didn't. Which one? The, you know, Jason 18?

Freddie versus Jason 9. Revenge of the machine.

Turtle bit. I'm telling you, I'm obsessed with

that. what's constantly running through my mind

anymore. You're going to be yelling turtle dick

in your sleep. Your mom's going to be like, what

the? Turtle dick, turtle dick, no, get the turtle

dick out of my face. Boy, I don't know, I'm trying

to, I want to think of a creepier character.

You have like, I'm thinking of, you know, some

of the ghost characters from like Paranormal

Activity. You know, you could think of even something.

Something like the Xenomorph from Alien. The

little creepy dude from Saw. Yeah, the creepy

dude from Saw. I was kind of just like a regular

dude, but... How about Mothman, Greg, huh? Oh

my god, Mothman creeps me the fuck out. It does.

Mothman Prophecies is the scariest movie of all

time for me. I was telling that to somebody at

work because they've never seen it, and I was

telling them your... reaction to it and that

one episode where you wouldn't even talk about

it, you got up and left. Yeah. They were like,

wow, really? I need to watch that. It creeps

me the hell out. I was having so much trouble

the one Halloween that we watched that driving

back to my house, coming down Snake Road in the

middle of frickin nowhere. Like. Yeah, because

it's yeah, it's kind of the similar setting to

the movie. I'm I don't know. Freddy Krueger is

definitely creepy, but some of those movies are

so freaking corny Like yeah, but by like the

fourth one it gets kind of comedic The one where

he's like a yeah the one where it was like a

video game And he's like bouncing around off

the ceiling. I'm like really Yeah, but I like

Dream Warriors. They kind of went the corny route.

I gotta go Mothman. I think fiction I think Mothman

would be the creepiest see I will say fact because

yeah, like if you look at the where it kind of

devolves to what his first movie he was rather

creepy and Like just the idea of that give that

character could be real because you can't fall

asleep Like it's like that like it's not someone

you can kind of protect yourself from you know

It's something it's you just have to stay up

unless you're Charles Xavier True true. Yeah

that that I I still want to see that though like

putting like Wolverine and like a horror film

Like Jason and like, and this is Jason versus

Wolverine and it's like five minutes long. It's

like, yeah, that was, that did not, he just kind

of killed them. He'd be like, Hey Freddy, you

call those claws? Just packs them up into 30

pieces. Plus, you know, being, he's the creepy

looking dude and you know, his past is like Greg

mentioned a little, a little creepy. So I'll

go, I'll go fact. Greg you going with Mothman?

Yeah, I'm going with Mothman. I literally forgot

about Mothman. Thankfully. I'm not gonna be able

to sleep tonight. I could just feel it. Just

start thinking of turtle dicks. That's what I'm

gonna have to. That's the kryptonite for Mothman.

We're gonna have to put the photo. I'll put the

photo on Facebook because Greg showed us and

it is like denying it. It's just right there

in all this glory. You can't argue with the turtle

dick. Yeah, just to behold it. It's just, you

know. You just need to add one little line for

the slit. That's all you need to do. It's just

right there. It's just yeah anyways Did not expect

that to happen today, but Chuck why do you try

to get us out of this hole? And what is your

next factor fiction? I'm gonna keep going with

the Halloween theme Halloween movie theme as

well Factor fiction the original Halloween featuring

Michael Myers is the best Halloween movie Of

the series or just like the horror movie in general

in general like Halloween themed movies not necessarily

horror but actual Halloween movies that are set

in and around Halloween time man Trying to think

of other Halloween movies is that bad? I I think

it's I think it's true I think it's fact cuz

that's a it's a great movie the original at least

it's I can't really think I really like trick

-or -treat which was that it's like that Ethology

film that came out a few years ago like real

anime like a decade ago That's pretty good. I

want to see that. Yeah, I haven't gotten to see

that the guy with the big pumpkin head. Yeah

Yeah, no, it's it's a little goofy too. But yeah,

the original Halloween is pretty phenomenal Yeah,

I feel like they ruined it by you know, kind

of like all the other ones when they kept making

sequels They just kind of ruined it. Yeah, and

then they remade it with with Rob Zombie's awful

movie, which is awful Don't watch it cuz he I

mean you had the story I like Rob Zombie. His

movies are pathetically bad. A house of a thousand

corpses is kinda neat. That movie freaks the

crap out of me. I don't know. It's been a while.

I was a lot younger when I watched it, but I

remember just like, this is kind of disgustingly

gory and I'm a young kid. That was the sound

effect I made. I just recently saw Silence of

the Lambs for the first time, believe it or not.

But that's also a very good movie. I still haven't

seen that. Which isn't a Halloween movie, though,

per se. It doesn't really take place around Halloween,

but it kind of is. It takes place in Baltimore,

so you got that going for it. Yeah, absolutely.

Greg, do you agree? I'm guessing maybe you have

not seen Halloween. I've seen bits and pieces

of it. It's alright. Kind of like sleepaway camp.

That was really weird But if I was gonna go for

a Halloween movie, I'm gonna go a little bit

more Comedy fun family. Yes. I'm going hocus

pocus. Good job Casper Casper no, sorry was Christina

Ricci when she was a kid. Yeah No, if you're

gonna go Christina Ricci when she's a kid you

go Adams family, of course Yeah, I don't know

she was a freaky in that She's a little freaky.

So there you go. Was that seriously your answer

Hocus Pocus? Yes That is a good movie and I just

realized recently to her I read recently that

the the kid that Whoops I just I just read recently

that the kid that played Binks the cat was actually

McGee on NCIS Really he's older. Yeah, it's the

same guy. Yeah Wow, I didn't even realize that's

an awesome fun fact Chuck. Thank you All right.

Oh mine's not Halloween theme, but it's actually

Unfortunately, we didn't talk about the new Star

Wars trailer that came out But it's been such

a while and people been talking about it. But

one thing people were mentioning is that there's

not much shown for Luke Skywalker. So my question

for you is fact or fiction, Luke Skywalker will

actually be a villain in episode seven. Ooh,

that would be so sweet. I had a similar question.

Mine was slightly different, though, but I guess

I'll go first. I'm going to say fiction. I don't

think he'll be the bad guy. I know There was

some footage that came out with, it was like

back in the day where Luke Skywalker, you know,

they had plans for him to become a bad guy, or

at least Mark Hamill did. He thought it would

be a really good idea. I don't think they'll

bring that to this. I think it would be more

likely if it was actually like Luke Skywalker's

son. That's that's sort of the angle. I was thinking

And somebody had a good point that I read the

other day. They said Star Wars is a Skywalker

story It always has been about the Skywalkers

So if you if you believe that then you know,

this is gonna continue that trend I don't know.

I think it'd be more likely to be like to be

Luke's son sort of trying to pick up where his

grandfather left off or something and you know

I don't know. I don't really have anything to

base that on but it just sounded cool in my head

I've heard I've heard people other other people

say that You think there's any chance Luke is

a villain Yeah, there could be but I kind of

doubt it I think they they need to bring in the

nostalgia kind of feel so they're definitely

gonna have them as a Villain or not a villain

as a hero to make everybody happy from back in

the day and everything So I think they just stick

With him being a hero and have everybody back

together and everybody all happy Together and

just having the the kids come in and kind of

quarreling and stuff See, I'm gonna go with fact

in the sense Maybe that this is my guess is that

maybe he does something in Episode 7 that makes

people think he's a villain and he ends up actually

getting killed or something like that But then

you know, it's later revealed that his secret

plan all along or something like that. So I think

I'm gonna go with fact. I think he is gonna be

at least more hero or more villain than hero

in the next Star Wars movie, but Just just a

hunch just to guess so I will I will add that

he is so far Credited with being in episode 8

as well There you go, we could be a Star Wars

ghost yeah, so possibly yeah, I do think one

of the big three is gonna die though Between

him, Han, and Leia, I think one of them will

probably die. See, my guess is Chewie. Yeah,

that could be too. Alright. Uh, Greg, you got

anymore? Uh, no, sorry. Ah, that's okay. Chuck,

how about you? Um, yeah, I got a couple more.

Let's see, um... This one, I'm not sure if you'll

have heard about, but uh, maybe. Um, Factor Fiction...

You will be purchasing the Marvel Phase 2 Blu

-ray box set, complete with the Orb and Power

Stone from Guardians of the Galaxy. Uh, for me,

that's fiction, because I'm really not buying

any Blu -rays anymore, unfortunately, so I will,

uh, I'll go with fiction. If anything, I'll wait

till, like, it all comes out in one ginormous,

like, I don't know. Anyways, no, I'll just go

with fiction, since I'm not really buying Blu

-rays. Okay. Um, I'm also gonna go with fiction,

because... I've just been buying the singles

since they come out and I don't feel like buying

multiple copies of something. Come on, it's not

tempting to have your own Power Stone to go with

your Tesseract from the Phase 1 box set. If it

was legitimately in work, yeah. Do you think

you'll pick it up? I'm thinking about it. I'm

just, I'm not sure. Like the price is just way

too high. And what are they selling it for? I'm

seeing it for I think it's like over 250. Yeah,

that's definitely not happening. And even the

phase one set, it's only down to like 150. So

I'm like, honestly, I could probably find the

single Blu -rays, like all of them for like 60

bucks. I picked up in a set, it was all the three

Iron Man for like, it was 10, 15 bucks, it was

on sale, so yeah, definitely. Yeah, like with

the, well, phase one and two together, you know,

maybe like, it would be less than the cost of

one of them, you know, maybe like a buck 20,

a buck 30. So, I mean, it's cool, it's a novelty

thing, you know, you get a nice sort of hard

steel briefcase that looks like a shield case

and you flip it open and there's all these, you

know, files in there and they have data on all

the characters. They have like each character

has like a file folder with like stuff in there.

I was watching some, uh, unboxing videos online

and stuff. It's actually pretty cool. Um, but

I, I just don't think it's worth all that extra

money, you know? Yeah. I got to save up my money

for Funko pop figures. Like the desperate need

of more of those. Yes. Like my sandtrooper and,

and do back from Walmart exclusive. Have you

got any of those episode seven ones? I don't

think so. I think it's just sand trooper and

do back from from episode four All right. Well,

I have another fall related factor fiction With

you know, there's a lot of commotion over pumpkin

spice but Factor fiction apple cider is where

it's at pumpkin spices over a fact That's all

we have we have apple cider at my house My mom

just made an apple pie and then we just have

regular apples that we get bite into and just

devour Are you are you a fan of the apple cider

Chuck? I do like apple cider, but I'm gonna answer

fiction to your question because When it comes

to fall pumpkin is the king. Yeah Pumpkin is

awesome I'm obsessed with pumpkins, I'm obsessed

with jack -o -lanterns and stuff like that, I

don't know why. I'm not a huge pumpkin fan, but

my wife made, we had this bake sale for work,

and my wife made this, they're called melt -in

-your -mouth pumpkin cookies, and they are delicious.

Right in between a cake and a cookie, and with

this icing on it, it was a good time. I am I

mean I got a soft spot for apple cider. I actually

really missed this place growing up called North

of set with like It was pure apple cider, you

know, it was organic before it organic was a

thing. It came right from the apples It was it

was delicious unpasteurized probably. Yeah, it

was unpasteurized, which I'm pretty sure is illegal

now, so But I But I do enjoy myself some good

good apple cider. I've never been a pumpkin spice

fan It never been a thing pumpkins. I love I

love you know good pumpkin pie, but this the

spice is a little bit Yeah, I can I can do without

nice Alright Chuck anymore. Um, I'll do one last.

We'll do one last Halloween one since we're getting

the spirit here This will be a costume related

question. We'll have a little nostalgia here

factor fiction At least once in your life you

were Batman for Halloween Greg we ever Batman

unfortunately fiction I Was actually you guys

are gonna laugh at this since you know I don't

like the character that much I was actually super

baby when I was a little baby boy I still have

the little super baby bib around somewhere It

won't fit around my neck. I'm pretty sure It's

it's fiction for me too. I've never was I think

I was ever a superhero. I was like a ninja There

was like a night one year Army guy I think I

might my go -to was army guy just because that

way I can get toy guns that I could play with

my like my entire Halloween costume I would plan

on it was just to find what type of toys I could

get for afterwards So that was usually my plan

Though my son will be Batman for Halloween. Thanks

to Greg who got us a costume Think part of that's

because the superhero costumes are more prevalent

nowadays than they were when we were kids like

yeah It was where that action heroes the plastic

one where I could stick your finger stick your

tongue in the little Slit and cut your tongue

on the little plastic slit Thanks venture brothers

some of those I remember some of the old masks.

They were pretty terrible and then they would

like You know, they're like rotting in your basement

the entire year and you put them out and they

stink and everything. I can honestly say I was

Batman one year when I was in elementary school.

I forget what grade it was, but I did get to

be Batman one year. That was pretty cool. I think

I was like one of the coolest ones I remember

was like first grade. I got to be Leonardo, the

Ninja Turtle. Nice. That was pretty awesome.

I got to be a ninja. And then I had some made

-up costumes, because I guess my mom didn't really

want to buy one or something like that. I was

the ghost of Zorro one year, which was basically

a white sheet over me with a Zorro mask and a

black hat. in a cape and I just got this like

toy sword or something. It was completely a random

costume. I was a ghost the one year and it was

just a bed sheet with holes in it and I looked

like a member of the KKK. I'm sorry all African

Americans. Or like I thought you were going to

say a Charlie Brown costume because that's like

something they would wear. No, I looked like

a member of the KKK. I feel really bad about

it to this day. They did not think that one out

enough. Yeah, I remember trick -or -treating

as a kid. That was great. I remember the one

year actually my grandfather kind of went with

me because I lived in the country. We couldn't

just walk door -to -door. It was actually like

a mile to the next house. So my parents would

drive me around. We would get in the car or the

truck or whatever and we would drive to all these

houses of people that we knew. And it was always

a ton of fun. I always got a bunch of candy because

those people didn't get a lot of trick -or -treaters.

So it was like you got more, which was pretty

great. Like you just didn't get a couple of pieces.

You got like a huge handful. And I remember my

grandfather went with me the one year and he

dressed up too. And that just made it so much

more fun. What did he dress up as? He dressed

up as an old lady. I know it's so great. He,

uh, he took one of my grandmother's dresses and

he stuffed like a pillow into the butt to make

it look like he had a huge butt. And he had like

this, you know, wig and He grabbed like one of

her purses and he just jumped in the car with

me and like we went trick -or -treating It was

like so much fun. I think that was my favorite

Halloween He put he definitely put the pillow

in there. He's like I'm gonna sit in the car

all the time So this is gonna be really comfy

now. Yeah Yeah, that was definitely a great memory

good time Awesome. Awesome. All right. All right.

I have one last one We can finish it up with

this one. We talked about Star Wars already and

not too long ago. We were talking a lot about

Back to the Future with that coming out. So my

question and my fact fiction statement is, with

a combination of today's cynical attitudes, our

over -saturation, social media, have we lost

the ability to fall in love with movies like

we once did with Back to the Future and Star

Wars? That the movies today, our feelings towards

movies today, in 30 years from now, we will not

have the type of love for the movies today that

we do for movies like Star Wars and Back to the

Future. So basically there's nothing coming out

now that people are gonna celebrate like they

do for back to the future that came out 30 years

ago I'm gonna say fact on that. I Think you're

right. I think we're getting sort of spoiled

with not only meat not only movies but all different

types of media like Music and every we have everything

at our fingertips. It's like so easily accessible.

We just take it for granted and like when we

were growing up and even before, you know, before

us, generation before us, like movies were, that

was like a treat. Well, like you got to see a

great movie and that was an escape from, from

your hectic life or your hectic childhood and,

you know, all the difficult homework that you

had to deal with. Um, those, those like, that

was a treat and you got to enjoy like a, a really

popular cult classic movie kind of like that

where I think it's today is just taken for granted

and people are like oh you know whatever like

what's the next thing that's coming out like

it's it just doesn't faze people as much anymore

I don't think and it also because there's not

a whole lot of original ideas coming out like

there used to be you know like everything seems

to be remakes for the most part yeah Greg, what

do you think? Yeah, I agree with Chuck and I

think it's just kind of an oversaturation of

stuff flooding into the market like you're gonna

have to come up with something truly spectacular

and original to get people's attention I think

and especially with all the stuff coming out

of places like YouTube and now you got new companies

like Netflix making movies and everything and

TV shows so it's it's just There's only so much

attention that people can have and it's just

gonna be spread all over the place. It's gonna

be tough to have that admiration I'll say I'll

say fiction and I'll say maybe like us 30 years

from now Maybe we won't, but I think kids today

have, I don't think people, it's lost on them

as much as we think it might be. Like I was,

my son, they had like spirit week for this week

and I, you can, and they did all these different

things and one was like a movie day or forget

what it was, but you could see kids still are

in love with like superhero characters. So I

could see like in Avengers being that in 30 years,

being the Star Wars of today. Don't know if if

you were gonna have the same amount of movies,

but Another part of it too. Is that sometime

time? I guess time goes by our feeling towards

movies It gets glorified a little bit because

what people forget right is that back to the

future too was overall looked as at looked at

at the time as a disappointment. It did well

financially, but critically, it wasn't well received.

It was kind of looked at as much worse than the

original. But 30 years now, it's like people

are treating it like it's an all -time classic.

So I'm thinking maybe 30 years removed from something,

we might end up actually having more fond memories

of things. So I don't think necessarily... It's

gone. It's probably gonna be harder because of

the amount of stuff that comes out that It's

harder to find something that a lot of people

do love but I think if like anyone I think kids

that are growing up now are gonna have the same

memories we do for whatever it comes out It's

just gonna be different. So I Don't know that's

a good point in So we'll see we'll see how it

goes. Well, we'll get back to you in 30 years

when we're still doing this bucket But alright,

so that that will bring it to the end of this

episode But we'd like to hear your thoughts on

the different things we talked about today. What

did you think of Supergirl? What do you think

about the different things? Do you think candy

corn is a legitimate candy or is it disgusting?

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Same time, same channel, same podcast feed, but

for now. This has been Chuck. This has been Greg,

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been talking in circles. We'll see you next week.

And that might be the first time in history someone

referred to themselves as Turtledick on purpose.

You're welcome. Making history here. I thought

that would be more like, you know, if Raphael

got ticked off at Michelangelo because he did

something to him. Man, such a Turtledick. I could

name the episode that without it getting removed.