Talking in Circles
Back After Time Off, Parenthood, and Superhero Shows

About this Episode
Hey, I'm Bryce Carlson, writer of Hit and managing
editor at Boom Studios, and you're listening
to Talking in Circles. You are now on the inside
of what I like to call the circle of trust. We
are all connected in a great circle of life.
You know something, Bert? I think you and I are
going in circles. It feels like we're going in
circles. The Circle is now complete. When I left
you, I was but the learning. Now I am the master.
Because it's a circle. Yeah, we heard about the
circle. Yeah, that's what the million would change.
Hey, this is Greg. This is Chuck. And this is
Dan, and we are Talking in Circles, brought to
you by the GeekCast Radio Network. The podcast
set us back, and better than ever. Yes, after...
We are back! Back in the podcast saddle. Yeah,
we were offered well Chuck and I were off for
two weeks and Greg was off for a week Thank You
Greg for holding on before the fort for that
one week. Appreciate it We'll get to why in just
just a short bit, but before we get to that like
how those things we can go been going for you
guys Stuff's been busy for me Greg how's it been
for you? Doing a doing a good job. They're holding
down the podcasting fort Thank you. I'm not sure
if it was quite as interesting Just by myself
because there's no one to talk to you need somebody
to talk to in a podcast Otherwise, it's kind
of boring, but I try to hold up my own. It's
a very heavy end that I'm holding here, but you
know Yeah, didn't they get my Yeah Water's cold
this week So is it going for you, Chuck? All
right, I guess just busy with family stuff going
on and everything and nothing too entertaining
or funny or anything to speak of. So the get
into why we were out for two weeks. Well a few
weeks ago. I had my first child. So it's kind
of a It was a little bit of a big deal so You
know with that I felt it would be kind of inappropriate
if I was like I know You know telling my wife
to like I'm gonna go away for a few hours the
podcast while you take care of this newborn so
Good luck with that. So because of that we get
family down. So we Unfortunately, we planned
on doing some recorded episodes, but it came
quicker than expected, so. That's how this started
in the first place, Dan! Ha ha ha ha. I think
I got it. Coming faster than you expected, that
one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not as good as when
you have to explain it But yeah, so you came
a little earlier than expected, but it was it's
been quite an adventure last few weeks I do have
some interesting story. So I figured you guys
would enjoy enjoy some of these Well, I'll poop
stories. Everybody get ready We'll get to that
eventually and that happened a lot quicker than
I expected it to it was like immediate But the
actual like so the actual like going on so This
is kind of like set the stage. It was like on
a Monday So I'm at work and I get a text from
my wife saying that there's a good chance it's
gonna be happening today But don't know for sure
but there's a there's a potential so I'm like
at work and I'm like I get this at like eight
in the morning so I'm like going through my day
and I'm waiting because it's like depending upon
and I'm actually halfway through a group interview
I get the text that it's happening. So I'm like,
well, I'm leaving So just to kind of let my person
know and I walk out the door and you're hired.
I gotta go Luckily it was the only person there
so I just kind of got up looked at my phone left
and I was on my merry way, but uh He's having
a child But it's actually didn't that was a Monday
actually didn't happen to the next day, which
is a Tuesday But it was it was a rather large
long process I mean pilot longer for my wife
than than I was I was cracking a lot of jokes,
which I think My wife appreciate Exactly I was
I was the major cause of labor pains more so
Which I feel like should be an Arnold Schwarzenegger
movie like sequel to junior junior to labor pains
Something like that, but a bad joke. I apologize.
I have not had a lot of sleep So if I fall asleep
during this podcast, I apologize so it happens
to Tuesday and it's this whole process and ends
up coming up we have to do a session and There
wasn't the original plan, which is fine. It just
kind of happened to have that way. So So we go
into the room to have it happen and I'm actually
sitting outside until like they get everything
situated and I'm gonna come in and I'm in like
scrubs and everything I'm like got the mask on
so I'm trying to prep myself like not faint because
I'm like I don't want to see you know see a lot
of blood and it's faint like that would not be
good not be a good way to start this all dance
a manly man people so it's going through all
this but like I can kind of hear In the room
and like the epidural is not really working So
like ends up having happen to have that they
had to put it under they have to put her to sleep
Since that's happening. I can't be there because
you have to act really quickly So I have to leave
and I said go back to the room and I'm there
for I felt like it was like five minutes Like
if not even that they come back into the room
saying like oh, no actually because it's such
a weird situation You can come in so I'm prepping
myself again. I'm like, okay, so prepping myself,
looking, I don't want to faint, I don't want
to faint, I walk in, I look over in the corner,
and there's a baby, and I'm like, huh, guess
I use this room for multiple people, whose baby
is that? And it was like, see you got a baby
there! Whose baby is that? I'm like, oh! That's
oh, wow. It was it was just complete like shock
So I'm thinking like it's gonna be the actual
surgery and the baby's already here and like
out and I'm like, whoa, that's that's a baby
and So it was kind of it was like, you know I
didn't even get the option of doing like the
umbilical cord cutting or thing like that. So
I'm just like whoa, it was just like Taking a
back kind of a interesting like thing. It's just
like that did not expect it. It's wow There's
a baby sitting there and he's crying and it was
it was awesome But it was also just it was like
one of those things where it's like you don't
there's so much going on I can't you can't even
really it's like surreal, you know, literally
was the most surreal moment of my life It was
just it was crazy Getting to the poops. Thank
you getting to the poop story, which is obviously
fun So the the first time I change a diaper have
you guys ever heard of perconium? He's related
that he's related to clay face Which actually
wouldn't make sense because well, you know when
babies first poop they don't poop like normal
normal feces they poop No, they pooped his perconium
because it's from them being in the womb and
getting that and to understand what it looks
like, it's like tar. It's like tar coming out
of a child. It is so I'm going to change the
baby for the first time. My wife's in the hospital
bed She had the c -section so she can't get out
like she's stuck in bed and I'm a little bit
away So I get the diaper I'm opening it and he's
like mid mid crapping like in the midst of it
I'm just it's like coming out of him like he's
being squeezed and it's like it's like uh, it's
like toothpaste But if that toothpaste was like
a tootsie roll like it's like everywhere. I'm
trying to wipe it down It has like a life of
its own. It's impotent. He gets his feet in it
and it's like everywhere this feeder. It's the
symbiote. I started doing weird dancing. It was
so weird. I put my hair up and use it for hair
gel. It was awful. But then and then just to
top things off, he starts peeing everywhere and
like on himself, on me. And it's just like this
huge like poop and crap. You got to cover. You
got to cover the wee wee while you're taking
care of other things. I've learned. I've been
told that by my parents. It's actually what's
funny is we got these for like a gift. They're
like these things you put over the weewee. Like
it's in one shape of a basketball and a soccer
ball and a football. So if he pees, it's like
a guard. It's like I'm going to offend many Jewish
people right now. It's like a yarmulke. Kind
of. Yeah. But it's like a little gate that you
kind of put over it. And it's kind of funny.
It's like you're centering your baby with like
this. We can't love this sir. It was kind of
crazy. It was not It's gone better since then
that's like that that perconi himself goes away
eventually But it's it's nasty business And I
I didn't know that was a thing until like I'm
like what the hell is happening and my wife's
explaining it to me like oh I thought something
was wrong because it was like it looks like like
you said an alien symbiote. I'm like Venom like
who weird no, but It uh, it's been it's been
eventful on a lighter note on a lighter note
I've actually been able to read a bunch because
with the baby being up all the time Like I don't
know about you like when I wake up and then I'm
up and I'm trying to get back to sleep And I
kind of trouble so I've been trying to read a
bunch and I wanted to get caught up before secret
war started It didn't happen, but I read a few
things and have you any you guys read superior
iron man at all? I would advise not to because
it's not very good. I Don't know it takes place
after axis and if you don't know what axis is
It's a story in which red skull has taken the
brain of Charles Xavier Is can trying to like
change the world and in the midst of that battle
of stopping him The heroes are changed forever
like not forever But they're the axis like the
good guys are becoming bad bad and bad guys are
becoming good personalities basically on flipping
on ahead and That goes with Iron Man and unlike
the other ones Iron Man doesn't get better after
it's all over So he's like a lot more arrogant
than he used to be. He's drinking again He's
almost he's basically a villain but the issue
with like superior Iron Man I find it is that
takes place in San Francisco and the premise
starts is that he Opens up extremis again for
everyone like as this like app for people that
kind of like Make themselves look better and
like kind of make everyone feel like it's almost
like a pseudo heaven in a way but the thing is
like that was really missing in it is that you
really don't have a good grasp of The inner monologue
of Tony Stark at all. There's not it just things
happen. You don't really understand the justification
of it like His voice is really limited. So it
becomes a really one -dimensional character.
That's not all that interesting it's just and
he's kind of hard to root for because he's such
a horrible person and It gets a little bit better
when Daredevil shows up because he's currently
in San Francisco, too And there's a interesting
like dynamic between them. But overall I like
I like the art but it's just there's Little little
dialogue and I think it just could go a lot better
if it just kind of fleshed out It's the character
this new version of Tony Stark a little bit more
and it feels like it's just trying to a little
bit more Robert Downey Jr. into the point of
like ad nauseam So I don't know. I just was not
not a huge fan of it Good to know I shall steer
clear But I know I know Chuck you said you did
get an opportunity to watch a movie. What did
you get to see? I did and I haven't gotten to
watch much lately, but this was something I did
get to see over the weekend This was a movie
that I wanted to see because of a recommendation
of a friend of mine It's a World War two film
in a sense. It's called Defiance. Oh, I know
that it's not it's not the show Defiance. It's
totally different Yes, yes Daniel Craig and Leo
Schreiber or however you say his name It's basically
based on an amazing true story of survival by
a large group of Jewish people in 1941. For Jewish
people again, guys. Sorry. This makes up for
my incidents before? Well, it depends. Time will
tell. You might make it worse, depending on what
you say. But basically, there's this large group
of Jewish people that survive in the forests
of Belarus. as they hide from the German soldiers.
And, um, they were led by the Bielski brothers.
And, um, there's actually four of them, two of
them are older and that's Daniel Craig and Leah
Schreiber. And the group started very small and
actually ended up being around 1200 people, um,
as the real story goes. And from what I've read,
the, they only lost about 50 people out of the
1200 by the time the whole thing was said and
done, but. Well, basically they hide out in the
forest. It's complete middle of nowhere. Like
it's really like desolate area. They build makeshift
shelters out of timber and everything. They develop
rules and laws and everyone has given chores
and responsibilities and they just become completely
self -sustaining in their settlement and everything.
And part of the reason why I had a friend recommend
this to me was They kind of said that it definitely
had a Red Dawn feel to it, as sort of the Wolverines
were forming a resistance group and everything.
And it definitely does have a similar feel, but
it's also very different because their goal with
the Wolverines was to sort of attack and disable
key components of the Russian military and strike
fear into them and everything, whereas in Defiance,
their goal is to simply survive. They do their
best to stay hidden and they only fight when
the soldiers sort of discover their location
later on in the film. So, you know, one one brother
does lead a group of men. They sort of join up
with the Russians for several battles and stuff.
But the majority of the group stays together
in their little settlement for the duration of
the film. It really is an incredible story. And
for the most part, I really, really enjoyed the
movie. it made me try to imagine like how difficult
this must have been. And it sort of also played
into my fantasy of roughing it in the woods and
sort of leaving society behind, which I sort
of drifted into that daydream every now and then.
Especially stuck in traffic. Yeah, definitely.
And it worked. But as much as it was entertaining
to watch, it really was, I did enjoy it, but
I didn't feel as wowed as I thought I would.
And it just seemed like for most of the problems
the group faced were sort of amongst each other,
until the very end that is, but I thought like...
I thought they could have done a better little
bit better job of portraying the larger threat
of the Nazis like certain scenes were definitely
emotionally charged and everything but overall
I didn't didn't sense the fear that they were
living in in such fear of the Nazis and everything
as I would have liked I really seen a little
bit more of that I felt sort of I don't know,
sort of detached like through most of the movie.
Like you're kind of following the group, but
you almost forget what they're hiding from. Like,
you know, you forget the bigger picture. But
I really like the acting in it. Schreiber was
especially great, I thought. And I was I was
impressed with Daniel Craig as well. For some
reason, I didn't I couldn't picture him in this
role. I didn't think he would do well. But, you
know, he did a pretty good job, I thought. But.
And I don't know if you guys have seen this or
not. Dan, I'm guessing you probably have. I remember
seeing that in the theater, if I'm not mistaken.
That way back one. OK. Yeah, and I remember liking
it as well. It's been years. I think this came
out like 2008 -ish, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah,
2008. And I remember really liking it when I
saw it and trying to think if there's anything
that... The thing that comes to mind when I think
of that is kind of funny is potatoes. So now
that's like a huge like element to it. Yeah.
And every time I like have it like a potato that
goes bad, I just think that movie pops in my
head because I didn't realize the potatoes could
go bad until I saw that movie. I see what you're
saying. Like I can kind of understand where someone
say it's similar to Red Dawn, but like totally
they're nothing alike whatsoever. Red Dawn's
a little bit more of the top action. It might
be on Netflix. Did you see it on Netflix? Or
did you? No, I borrowed it from someone. Cool.
All right. Greg, I'm guessing you read something,
Greg, because you are the relative reader here.
So I'm curious to see what you've been up to
in our time away. I also read something with
Jewish people in it. I guess that's the theme
today. I don't know. Superman? No. It's not Superman
of all the guesses. That is I Read the Golem
and the genie, which we all know the Golem is
a stone creature from Jewish folklore Golem from
what are the rings? What is that? No, they're
they're different and And so for the story this
German Jew is kind of greedy, kind of an asshole,
kind of like me with these women, very, like,
very picky. And so he's of the age where he should
really be getting married, but his business is
going to shit. So he goes to this Jewish rabbi,
who's kind of an evil rabbi kind of dude. Then
he goes and he pays this rabbi to make him this
perfect wife. So the Golem is born, and... On
their way over to America is this is takes place
when America is kind of just 1920s, I guess it's
a little bit running. So, you know, that's right
before the Great Depression. Yeah Yeah, and well,
maybe it's into the Great Depression a little
bit. Maybe my history is a little off here. But
anyway, they come over the man awakens the golem
midway travel to America and wakes up the the
golem he dies and the golem escapes and is anonymous
in new york city and she's like trying to figure
out her way in the world and so we've got this
like kind of a baby coming into this new world
everything's kind of brand new and everything
but she's scared of everything because she comes
into the care of a good rabbi who's kind of trying
to figure out should he keep her alive should
he destroy her Like, what do I do? And he's kind
of questioning himself. And but meanwhile, in
this B story line, there's this in the Middle
Eastern kind of conglomerate of America, this
gentleman, he's metalsmith, and blacksmith, thank
you, metalsmith, blacksmith, blah. But he's taking
on different tasks from different people in the
neighborhood. And he's asked to fix a bottle
an old tin bottle of some sort and so he fixes
it but in the meantime of fixing it a genie pops
out but it's not a traditional genie this guy
is he's in a human form and he's a little bit
more solid and if you're a creature kind of like
the golem or kind of like him you can you can
see that he's a genie something different but
humans can't really tell but since this guy magically
appeared in his shop the blacksmith knows kind
of what's up and so they kind of form a partnership
together in this business and the genie has lived
before uh over in the middle east in the desert
um and he's kind of stayed away from humans for
the most part but towards the end of his time
he was kind of dealing with them and he was captured
in this bottle and he doesn't really know much
about what happened there. So she's the gullum
trying to figure out her life in like this new
existence and the genie's trying to figure out
his life in this existence and I thought it was
going to be more of an action type of story.
I didn't really know what it was but it's a lot
more fantasy and a lot more kind of social aspects
going on and being figured out in this tale.
And it's definitely you're trying to kind of
looking at things in a new perspective of they
kind of do represent people coming over to America
for the first time to try and get something new
for themselves and try and figure out. It was
a good tale. It wasn't the greatest story i've
ever read but it did come to A happy conclusion.
Let's say that probably gives it away, but I
really don't recommend it for anybody I got it
because it was it was on the cheap It was a kindle
daily deal or something longer story. Is it kind
of a quick read? It took a while. I don't know
how many pages it was because it's on my kindle
and everything It was it was on the longer side.
I'd say it's about 450 pages, I'd want to guess
after all that like you said you wouldn't recommend
it for people No, not really It was okay, and
it kept my interest, but it was it was kind of
on the edge there a lot of things not to recommend
today So let me throw one out real quick that
I would recommend and I'm only like two issues
in it and I think there's more out but uh it
and one a book never thought I would ever say
is probably what I never thought this would be
one of my favorite books currently but it is
and that's unbeatable squirrel girl which sounds
weird but it you know it debuted earlier this
year squirrel girl is kind of like a like a running
joke in the marvel world in a lot of ways though
like she's questioningly really powerful and
like defeat like galactus and dr doom But uh,
this book is it is like super super quirky the
title says it all it is exactly like a book you
would expect it to be that it stars squirrel
girl, but it's just really fun and it's Very
light. It is like if this was made into a movie
I feel like squirrel girl would be played by
like Zoe Deschanel or something like that It's
just like the adorable type of like socially
awkward character who you know is unable to like
relate with people and kind of had fumbles and
kind of clumsy a little bit but it's still superhero
and it's just got it's got a really good sense
of humor to it and like the use of her powers
and the for in the first issue Craven shows up
and it's just kind of like interesting how she
deals with characters it's not necessarily that
she beats them through physical force or things
like that but she can also talk to squirrels
which becomes rather interesting and she's trying
to like hide her secret identity but she's really
bad at it and He just doesn't know how to handle
it. But it's really different. And if you're
looking for something that's out of the norm
compared to your really serious action books
and things like that, I would definitely recommend
it. It's not for everyone. You'll know if it's
for you within the first few pages. So maybe
read a preview or something like that, and you'll
be able to tell right away. But I do end up really
liking it a great deal. If she can talk to squirrels,
she should tell them to calm the hell down. I
swear like every one of them has drank like a
pot of coffee She could talk to squirrels. She
would rolled like my campus at a day when I went
to college because Everywhere they were just
they just like down in the campus all the time
and they weren't even scared of people They would
like walk up to you like and like, you know There
was one really fat one that got fed by everybody
and he was huge and he couldn't really move too
well Climb trees anymore What do you think was
on that French fry? Could you bring it over to
me? His tail is basically just a pillow now because
he can't really move. It's bad. There was a kid
on my college campus that one day I was walking
along the sidewalk and he was trying to catch
a squirrel. He had an acorn tied to a fishing
line. He's hiding behind a tree and he's jerking
the line. And the squirrels just stand there
looking at him like, you're a freaking idiot.
I'm just shaking my head walking by. It's the
dumbest kid I've ever seen. What do you do when
you catch him? He's going to tear your face off.
There was a kid in my high school who on the
senior trip to Florida tried to feed a squirrel
a piece of gum and he got bit and we almost had
to stay behind because everybody thought he had
rabies. Wow some true winners in today's culture.
What if it's the same guy? But one thing I didn't
want to talk about it's been out for a little
bit But you know, we've been away for quite a
while and the like I don't even know if I want
to call it a trailer It's like a mini episode
of Supergirl came out. You know, we are in the
midst of like tons of superhero tv shows you
know flash and arrow just ended we had daredevil
the other marvel series coming out and there's
like another heroes of tomorrow or something
like that for that's coming out too i don't even
know Legend of tomorrow and then now we have
Supergirl and we got our first look into it and
like I said It's like a six minute preview and
I'm kind of curious what you guys Guys thought
of this and if you have any interest in that
in watching it when it comes out I guess Chuckie
will start with you since you are I know you're
a huge smallville fan and you know you You when
we started this podcast one of the biggest things
we talked about was arrow So does have any interest
at all or you you know, what are your feelings
towards it? Got a little bit interest out of
not a whole lot, but I'll probably check it out
because of like Just to check out the the heroics
and stuff like that and see how they weave some
some References in there to the DC universe and
stuff, but I just feel like I feel sort of disinterested
in the in the show a little bit because they're
selling it like At least in this trailer, like
really corny and cheesy, in my opinion. Like,
yeah, that's I don't know. Maybe maybe those
are the wrong words, but it's it's it's just
seems like it aimed at like a tween age demographic
or something like 13 year old girls or something.
Definitely feels that way. I feel like this feels
more like a CW show than the actual superhero
shows on CW. Yeah. And that's great. I mean,
that's. You know, that's fine if they want to
do, but I don't know if personally it would be
my type of show. I'm definitely going to check
it out just to see how it goes and like see some
of the effects. Everything I what I did love
about the mini episode or whatever it is, the
plane, the plane crash scene where she's like
saving the plane. that was pretty cool and how
she like tips the plane to go in between the
bridge things like the bridge towers as it's
crashing and stuff um she saves the day and everything
that was pretty cool some of the references but
i don't know i just get like a weird vibe from
it like it's not it's not aimed at me so like
i don't know it's not that it's a bad thing but
i don't know i don't know how well i'm gonna
like it what you're saying uh uh greg what are
you what are you uh what are your feelings toward
it I really didn't watch the trailer fully. I
didn't have volume on. I don't know why. I wasn't
doing anything dirty, guys, for once in my life.
But I didn't have volume on and, like, I kind
of didn't stay on any spot. I kind of skipped
around in it. Uh, kind of got a vignette of what
was going on as much as he can with the sound
off. It looks really nice. Supergirl looks really
pretty. I don't know. I don't think I'm gonna
actually watch that one, though. It's seriously
like where is she working at? It looks like some
kind of fashion thing. It looks like the devil
wears Prada I'm like they're like it feels like
they're it's like devil milk wears Prada meets
like the arrow or flash or something like that
Yeah, so it like Chuck said it kind of doesn't
look like it's supposed to be for me I mean I
think it makes sense that it is you know geared
towards that audience because you know You're
going towards an audience that maybe is not you
don't have a lot of superhero shows You know
gear toward which feels odd that it's on like
CBS, right? It's it's being aired on CBS if I'm
not mistaken, which it I don't know which seems
strange that that that's the avenue it's going
but I'm similar to you guys like I the benefit
I think is that it seems like it's gonna be light
-hearted kind of like flash. It won't be so self
-serious There's been a lot of references to
Superman just in that one episode So I hope they
don't like rely on that too much or can you do
that without having Superman show up? Do you
eventually have to kind of? I have to have him
appear in some way, or I don't know. I guess
you necessarily don't, but we'll see. I do, with
a wife who likes Glee a lot, I am very familiar
with that actress because she was, she kind of
was like a regular on Glee. She came in when
like they were trying to fade us out, like the
old cast, and she's gonna be like the next big
star, but it didn't end up working. But I thought
overall she was pretty good actress. It's weird
because she played like a freshman in that in
high school and that was like a few years ago
and like this she's older and she was actually
like I think 26 or so or something like that
because she was briefly on homeland for a while.
She'd like a small cameo, but uh, I don't know.
I'm same with you. I don't I have little interest
in it. I would say I probably check it out. See
how it is. Give it give it a chance. Maybe an
episode or two, but I think it'll probably end
up being better than Gotham, but I don't know
if I'd have any interest in actually watching
it. That's not that difficult. That's kind of
the low bar at this moment. I'm interested in
seeing how well it does, because I guess Agents
of S .H .I .E .L .D. and Peggy Carter have been
on ABC, but outside of the Marvel machine, we've
only had DC's only been on... cw so and they've
done really well for cw but will they do cbs
is like they have like the biggest net shows
for ratings wise so will it be able to sustain
that like we can you know gain an audience and
i guess it will be see which i think is why they're
really building up that superman angle since
it's more name recognition but and haven't you
guys actually ever watched the supergirl movie
uh no no i've been wanting to pick it up like
I saw it at FIE one time and I wish I grabbed
it, but I get the feeling I have not seen it.
If I'm not mistaken, I thought it was made for
TV, but I could be wrong. But I'm curious if
it's going to get a resurgence with this coming
out. But yeah, I am curious about the show. Like
if maybe they're just selling it a certain way
with this being the first sort of trailer clip
sort of thing, like maybe maybe when it hits,
the tone is going to be very different. It's
it's hard to say. Like Agent Carter, I thought
Agent Carter was amazing. I love that show. And
that's like it seemed more grown up, though.
You know what I mean? Like it's so fit. If it
sort of turns into something like that, I'm really
going to like it a lot, but we'll just have to
see when it comes. It seems strange that it does
feel very much geared towards a very limited
audience, and considering it is on network TV,
usually you don't have that. CVS shows are very
broad. They have CSI and those type of shows
which kind of go out to such a general audience.
Maybe they'll like maybe it will kind of change
throughout time I mean not necessarily that means
if it's geared towards a specific audience. It's
bad It's just you just wonder if it's gonna have
the crossover appeal as something like flash
does or even agent Carter to Which I need to
catch up on because I've only watched it the
first few episodes and I stopped watching it
because I'm an oval person but oh that and yeah,
this this one a lot of people are wondering if
they're gonna have eventually have crossovers
with arrow and flash because I know it's on a
separate network, but the executive producer
for both flash and arrow Greg Berlanti is working
on Supergirl and if at the beginning of the clip
you sort of hear her say like my name is Cara
Zor -El and Blah blah blah like which is kind
of how flash and arrow start like my name is
Oliver Queen. My name is Barry Allen So they're
kind of doing the same thing, but I know CBS
said right now They're not interested in a crossover,
but I think they want to see how it goes first
You know, maybe try it out a season or something
and go from there. But, you know, who knows?
That would be huge, like a huge benefit to all
of them. So I don't see why they would be against
it. I mean, I get CBS thinking like we don't
need them, but, you know, it would be kind of
cool. The only problem I would say is if it's
like if like tonally, they're vastly different.
But when you kind of stop and think about it,
like they're able to take Arrow and Flash and
merge them together. So like. Those were pretty
different at the beginning, too. So I don't know.
It's interesting. Well, we'll definitely see.
I mean, it's kind of like, you know, Daredevil
compared to the Avengers or something like that,
like they're very totally different. So if they
do ever combine and kind of be a similar challenge.
So I wonder. Yeah. But while we're on this topic
of of female superheroes, I wanted to throw kind
of a question. This will be like the main thing
we go over today. We'll see how long it lasts.
But so a few just I don't even know a few weeks
ago. There was this article, I don't want to
say article, but an email from a Marvel CEO,
the CEO of Marvel was leaked, and it was him
writing a letter to the CEO of Sony, basically
explaining how female superhero movies don't
work. And he listed, like, Elektra, Supergirl,
and a few other Catwoman, and showing how they
were huge failures, and like... From like billions
of years ago exactly maybe not the best examples
and it was like a hacked email that I think WikiLeaks
got and put up in a different article in different
people posted it and a lot of people looked at
that as because there's been a lot of pressure
on Marvel to produce more female content like
more like, you know, some people ask for like
a black widow movie or you know, Miss Marvel
and stuff like that. So this actually ended up
having a discussion or debate with some people
on Twitter regarding this topic and regarding
well, not necessarily regarding if Marvel should
have female. It was more so regarding the email
being showing that this guy was misogynist or
not. But getting to the topic of Looking at Marvel
and superheroes in general. Do we feel like looking
that we have Supergirl and you know, we have
Agent Carter, but do we feel like Marvel DC and
others should do more and Incorporating more
of the female characters since we don't really
have a lot at this time I think You could if
they are actual Good characters if it's just
like a blase a crappy character that no one really
cares about, then no. But you do have this, it's
becoming deeper, but the mythology behind Captain
Marvel, Ms. Marvel, whatever you want to call
her at this point, or even people have been thrilled
about the new Ms. Marvel who is, what's her,
it's a Middle Eastern background and she's Muslim
and everything. I don't know but but she's she's
people are thrilled by her because her dimensionality
with Because of her background and everything.
So I think if you have a character like that
who's kind of built up and sturdy Then I say
go for it. But if you have a character, I'm not
coming up with any examples which I feel terrible
about but like You want somebody with a good
character, a lot of great dimension. It shouldn't
matter whether it's man or woman or anything
like that. What do you think? Honestly, I think
women aren't represented in comic shows or TV
as well as they could be. But I don't think things
are terrible out there right now. Shows like
Arrow, obviously. brought some more female -centric
roles like Black Canary, Nyssa Al Ghul, and stuff
like that. We have the new show coming out, Legends
of Tomorrow, which you talked about, which is
going to be existing in the same universe as
Flash and Arrow. And we're going to have Hawkgirl
on that show. She's going to be a regular on
that show, which I'm actually really excited
about because she's a unique character with some
great potential there. So I'll be looking forward
to that. And obviously, You know you talked about
black widow which may be helping or hurting the
cause i'm not sure because a lot of people want
You know her own movie and everything And I know
people were picking apart like the the avengers
toys that were coming out saying that she was
being left out of some things I was reading some
things like that. But um, I know You know a lot
of times people find stuff, you know where there
isn't anything either. So sometimes people stretch
things a bit, but um You know Someone that is
getting their own movie, like you said, Carol
Danvers, Miss Marvel herself, Captain Marvel.
That's pretty exciting. Well, I'm really excited
about that. Like Greg said, if you get a great
character, like even a male character, like a
terrible character, the movie is just going to
flop like, you know, I know, like I know it's
a cult classic, but Howard the Duck. Well, yeah,
he is he's a different different species, but
he you know, he's a I mean that was terrible
terrible and you know, there's some others but
like you have great characters like that they're
that they're trying to do now like Black Widow
and Captain Marvel and Hawk Girl and Supergirl
and Black Canary and things like that. Very strong
and really great superheroes in the comics, ones
that I really enjoy reading. Scarlet Witch. That's
a great Avengers character that I've loved for
a long time. I'd love to see him bring in somebody
like She -Hulk. I think that would be pretty
cool, you know, into the movies or something
tied in with the Hulk. I know they have so much
going on, they might not be able to pull that
off right now. But yeah, I don't I think it's
it's getting. a lot better than it was um you
know back when we just had electro yeah you know
that things were things were pretty bad back
then but yeah it's It's becoming definitely a
lot better and it's making the whole genre more
exciting because You guys think if because I
you know The email that referred to like his
big thing was that a female superhero character
or superhero film wouldn't work But are you guys
feel like it would is in the reason those movies
failed that he referenced weren't because they
were female because they were bad Absolutely.
Yeah, it would totally work. I mean the reason
the reason they failed is because they were terrible
movies and terrible movie makers whoever made
them like I mean even Like I said, it doesn't
put in the gender thing aside like You know a
lot of people rag on Daredevil which Not the
show but the Ben Affleck movie, which I kind
of happen to like a little bit But in its own
ways, it was pretty terrible in some parts You
know going back to like the the 80s Punisher
with Dolph Lundgren. That was freaking horrible.
You know what I mean? Breaking up models dark
past with with a Howard Duck in the first lecture
movie But that's what I mean like those are just
my examples like if you know if you make a bad
movie it's gonna come out bad like it You know,
you need a strong character and then you need
a strong Like, you know everything strong screenplay
and everybody working on it. You have to put
together this great masterpiece so You know,
you pick a great character, that's like the hardest
part. Yeah, I mean, I definitely agree. I mean,
the bait that I got over very much when I was
on, like I said, reference to this article that
was posted in regards to this email that was
sent out was... I question when people make judgment
calls on about a person based upon like a piss
piece of information and like it was just if
you look at the email it's in the midst like
of a middle of a conversation so you don't even
know like what they're referring to exactly and
I feel like a lot of people use this like like
to get people you know what I mean and like to
like use this as evidence as a horrible person
and he doesn't know what he's talking about and
stuff like that and Yeah, the media does that
a lot with the ambush interviews on people, too.
Yeah, and they'll take one sound light and make
it. thing was like I don't I don't like taking
one small piece of information and making a judgment
call just because that's what people are doing
and I know there's been a lot of push from Marvel
to make more female films and you know there
was like hasn't and I know like Kevin Feige says
it's some questionable things or was it him when
they asked him why aren't they making a Black
Widow movie and he response was like yes we are
and it's it's Captain America Winter Soldier
and a lot of people were like taken aback by
that like all you don't think she can have her
own movie And I don't necessarily know if that
was the case, if that's what he meant, because
if you're looking at, like, Civil War Captain
America, it's almost like another Avengers movie,
because there have been all these rumors of people
that are going to be in it. It's almost like
every Avengers is going to be there. So I feel
like Black Widow, in a way, I don't know if trying
to champion her getting her own movie is the
best idea. I do think the character could support
it, but I do think a good starting spot will
be, you know, Captain... Marvel or Mr. Marvel,
whatever they're going to call it. And I do think
a female superhero movie could work and TV show
could work. I mean, look at like something like
Buffy, you know, like that's not a superhero
movie, but it is very much like in the same reign
by a guy who writes comics. So if you have someone
like Josh Whedon, like I would love to see Josh
Whedon maybe not go after Avengers movie, but
write like a Black Widow movie or because he's
really good at writing female characters. Like
I think he did a great job with Black Widow in
the first Avengers film. And and I think you
make a good point Chuck that there are a lot
of female characters within male shows I mean,
you know agents of shield is an asamble cast
which has a lot of which is very female base
as well and I do think that Marvel can do a lot
to improve that and in you know We're getting
a Wonder Woman movie coming out too and it's
kind of it is kind of depressing that it took
this long to get a Wonder Woman movie and I know
DC was like a lot of people was you know yelling
at DC like how do you not make that but Marvel
can have a movie with a raccoon in it but eventually
it will happen. And I think the part where it
stems from though is that when thinking about
it, Marvel, when it comes to solo female characters,
there's not a huge abundance within Marvel. like
there's not like a lot of people that come from
there's a lot of like great like female x -men
characters because there was that book going
on that was like all female x -men characters
which was great but like when you go to like
solo characters there's it's a limited limited
amount um you know you have miss marvel and captain
marvel and that's you know she hulk is a good
one i think she hulk could be a good movie too
but i think marvel could do a lot just to diversify
regarding you know and just doing it in a way
that makes sense but I know there are other female
characters we feel like would could actually
warrant their own show or Movie that we know
we mentioned a few Which kind of says a lot when
you like maybe you know that there's not there's
a lot of like x -men characters that I'm very
fond of like storm and and rogue and things like
that, but Just in the team setting I don't know
if I don't know if you if it works if you pull
them out of the team setting like that There's
been solo like x -men books, but it's tough to
give them their own movie Maybe something like
like black cat could work. I could see that even
a mystique movie with Jennifer Lawrence I mean,
I think there's like you could do something there
Even though she's done with the part after this
next movie you could probably have someone else
play mystique. It's it's fine I don't think she's
a shape shifter. So it's an easy. Yeah But yeah,
I can't really think of many other Squirrel girl.
Yeah, there you go bring it back. I honestly
think reading that book though I was like this
could make a fun TV show or like a like a fun
little movie. It'd be completely different I
wouldn't put it in the cinematic universe. Oh,
you know what we forgot is Jessica Jones. They
are making the Jessica Jones TV show Oh, yeah
Oh, I thought of a good one Harley Quinn even
though it looks like this version is gonna be
kinda Don't know. I like Margot Robbie as Harley
Quinn. I think she looks good for the part and
We'll see about the acting and how she's going
to portray it But I've always liked Harley Quinn
comics that have been coming out. Yeah, I'll
admit like I don't have a huge background in
DC So there's probably some characters that they
have that maybe not thinking of I mean I mean
back girl. I mean you have a super girl team.
They have that birds of prey tv show I don't
know if you guys ever watch that don't No, I
heard about that. Yeah, it's like it's awful.
It is like, you know it It um, even people who
hate on smallville would have to admit like small
it's like a huge step down from something compared
to smallville I watched like one or two episodes
and it was just It hurt it hurt to watch it was
not good It was just it was just like it was
corny in the worst way as possible. Um There's
a lot of like It's like I think Wonder Woman
show would work. Well if it's done, right? I
know they were trying to launch that pilot a
couple years ago and it didn't work out For whatever
reason but yeah DC's got a lot of great female
characters like especially in the Justice League
Zatanna is pretty cool. Zatanna however you want
to say it Um, and I was I was like geeking out
when she appeared on smallville. That was pretty
awesome Yeah, and sometimes you can take like
those characters that you think would never work
on their own and give them their show and it
ends up actually working, you know, and Like
I never thought Korean if you tell me green arrows
was giving his own show I'd be like that'd be
awful. But you know and so it's possible and
I mean agent Carter had another bringing that
back for a second season. So Yeah, I guess it's
season. I know what you would call one. It's
like a miniseries but So I think there's and
if you're looking at all these different avenues
that they have now I think there's they should
definitely make it more active, but I think it's
a good thing to ask like, you know kind of Conversation
to have because I do feel like it the representation
has gotten a lot better because there was like
none and now it's Definitely you're seeing a
lot more Though yeah, I'm glad to bring back
the old black canary because I don't want anyone
Have you guys watched the finales of the arrow
in flash? Oh, yes. No, I watched them hard. I
gotta say, though, I really liked the flash this
season. I still have to watch the ending. Though,
I gotta say, like, my wife's been liking the
show, but once they introduced Groot, I think
she almost checked out. She's like, what is happening?
I'm like... Wait, who? The garage garage, that's
the wrong one. Yeah Dan that lost major nerd
That's what I thought too. Like when I watched
that episode I'm like, this is a stretch even
for this show cuz it's like, you know They everything
else they could kind of explain and then all
of a sudden here's an episode. It's a telepathic
gorilla Yeah, they dropped that hard. I didn't
think they'd go with that in the first season
Like yeah, it didn't really fit too well with
what they were doing I felt like that episode
was an aberration But like the like when you
do get to sit down and watch the finale put some
plastic down because your mind is gonna explode
It's it's pretty freaking awesome. I was geeking
out the whole time I think it was the second
to last episode when it like you had that And
prompts you like coming together, which I wasn't
expecting because I have been I was yeah, I'm
like Yeah, teamwork. This is actually I'm not
gonna lie kind of kind of like a little bit of
a nerd boner I'm like, this is kind of cool.
This is You know, it's it's very cheesy in the
best ways possible, but I think that's what I
like about flash So, um, I do wonder though,
like I haven't seen the finale I I'm like where
can you go after this because that's my worry
because like I think that like Like that's what
happened with arrow in season 3 I felt season
2 really wrote like it wrote itself into a corner
in a way and I I wonder if like you'll have that
with the flash nothing Well, I think I think
those Questions will be a little bit answered
after you watch the finale because there's Definite
room for expansion if they do things correctly
and their superhero fight club too. That's coming
out too. Is that the summer? No, I think that
was just a promotional thing for their advertisements
Like you're talking about like it had flash and
arrow and all them. Yeah, I Think that was just
a promotional thing that they sort of did Like
they had some promotional clips and stuff as
far as I know I saw some post about it I didn't
know I thought it was I was confused. I thought
like I was actually gonna be a movie Did you
get to see the arrow finale? I am I am an episode
or two behind an arrow in an episode behind the
flash Yeah, arrow was Better than I thought but
it's still not as good as flash. I really hope
I can kind of rate this next season Yeah, yeah,
and this this a Season of flash was amazing.
It exceeded every expectation that I had Well,
even though I thought the rod thing was a little
bit much I do think like special effects wise
I'm like that actually is not nearly as bad as
I thought it was gonna be Like he I was yeah,
it felt like there was an actual thing there
Like that was my worry would be like so green
screening or something like that. I wouldn't
it would be hard to tell something was there
They should have met they should have went with
like claymation like deal Swatting at the flash
there wasn't one King Kong joke in the entire
Yeah, maybe it's right thing Right All right,
anything else before we bring this episode to
a close I well I guess Let me ask you if you
saw the I know we talked about that new show
legends of tomorrow Did you see the trailer no,
I didn't know a trailer was out. Oh Yeah, it's
about three minutes long, too. How does it look?
It's got some good footage in there. Who is all
a part of that? Well, we got in the clip, they
sort of show Flash and Green Arrow sort of talking
to the whole team. So I'm guessing like they're
going to appear in a few episodes, but probably
not all of them. But they have Captain Cold and
Heatwave, which are two villains, but they have
them on the team. I'm not sure how that dynamics
gonna work, but I'm pretty intrigued by that
They have the atom Ray Palmer from arrow This
is power suit and everything They also have the
white canary Which is which was Sarah Lance from
arrow? Apparently she got dipped in the Lazarus
pit from Raza who? Which I'm like, why didn't
you think about before she died like a year ago
like you just and then I think I Think probably
firestorm to they're gonna have because they've
been showing dr. Stein a lot it didn't really
show Robbie Amell in there too much, but you
know I'm guessing that they got to have him in
there a little bit and and then there's a new
guy a couple of new people I mentioned Hawke
girl before which is pretty exciting and then
they have this time traveling guy named rip hunter
So there's a lot of time travel it's gonna be
introduced to which is pretty cool. They can
open up some avenues there Yeah, is that and
that's that's gonna be in cw2 Yes 2016 that's
like, oh wow. That's not that's not so long time
That's I mean, that's what I heard. I'm wondering
if that's gonna be in the spring of 2016 cuz
I Mean, I can't see it being The fall of 2016.
It's like a year and a half from now. I don't
know. I don't know what's going on there, but
long time and that's You might have to I'd have
to check that out. Maybe it'll be like a replacement
show after it kind of like a You know after the
flash and arrow and again I bridges a gap in
between are they do we know like the location
if they're gonna be in like arrow city or anything
like that or I'm not sure actually, I don't think
they mentioned where it is, but they did mention
the major antagonist of the show and that's going
to be Vandal Savage. You know, an immortal who's
lived like thousands of years and everything
super bad guy, but I'm pretty excited about this
show. I thought it was just going to be more
fluff. I'm like, oh, you know, they're trying.
They're getting greedy, trying to capitalize
on Arrow and Flash. But I'm actually pretty impressed.
Has it been done by the same people who did Arrow
and Flash or is it different? Do you know? Yes,
as far as I know, I think. I believe Berlanti
is working on, I think. I want to say Kreisberg
or Kreisberg or whatever is the show runner for
Flash, but I'm pretty sure most of those people
are working on it as well. That's pretty cool.
Yeah, I will have to give that a shot. And I
did find out that Shield Season 2 comes out on
Netflix like in June, so I might have to power
through that maybe and see if I can pick that
up in Season 3, because I guess that is coming
back for next season. We did find out Daredevil
season 2. Daredevil did get a second season.
Which is going to be interesting because next
year we're going to have, I guess, Daredevil
debuts and Luke Cage. So, Daredevil season 2
and Luke Cage. I don't know. I didn't realize
that the actual Defender show is like three years
away. It seems weird. It just seems weird. I
don't know if that's going to work. See, this
is the great thing about... Marvel and DC competing
we win There's a lot tons of great stuff coming
out when speaking of DC I guess I know Greg you
talked about it already but since we have some
time here maybe we can touch upon it real quick
and that's like the whole the what did you think
of Chuck the the image of Suicide Squad Oh the
group shot with all of them in that Yeah, it
was pretty cool. I was a little iffy on Killer
Croc, and I think Greg shared the same opinion
on that a little bit. It kind of reminds me of
one of those guys from the Super Mario Brothers
movie. Yeah, that's the joke going around. Any
other issues besides that? No, I mean, this looks
pretty good. What were you saying, Greg? I have
problems with Margot Robbie in the same direction
as Jim Leto's outfit. Yeah, yeah, it does seem
a little little strange but We get like my only
issue with the whole suicide squad thing was
I just felt it looks like dated like I don't
know it looks like he came from the 90s early
2000s in Will Smith, I just like his the him
in like the full get up with the the mask. It
just looks I don't know. It looks corny. I think
like I think it looks better than the TV show.
So I don't know. I like I like the director,
David Aaron. I still have hope for the movie,
but I don't know. It just it seems I'm I just
wish someone in that universe in D .C. cinematic
universe would like, you know, color would exist.
So we'll see. Well, it does in the Joker's hair.
Well, there you go Joker's hair and tattoos.
That's the one place. Have you just got a little
maroon in there on his costume? have you guys
seen shots from the the production Yeah, like
he looks like Joker. It looks like the actual
the Joker is nothing like that photo. Yeah, and
it's Do any of you really think that the Joker
drives around in a sports car? Like on the regular
or just like, you know, like like, you know,
he wakes up one day and sports car There's you
get a personalized license plate that says ha
ha Yeah, I don't know if you I don't see him
filling up that paperwork I don't either Yeah,
my guess would the would be that the Vanity plate
would already be taken anyway. Yeah, I just make
it easier for Batman to track him, right? I thought
they drove school buses Vanity plates seem beneath
him. It's weird. All right, anything else? Nope.
All right. So normally we end each episode with
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BrickCypher. I'm just saying. Aw, that's bad.
Oh, that's an image. The hair. Just the amount
of hair. Dan, I think you need to have the talk
with him. Greg definitely needs to talk. Yeah,
I do. Especially, I've been... Do you guys know
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