Marvel Legends, DC Rebirth, and X-Men: Apocalypse Review

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Apocalypse. But before we get to that, how's

the week been going for you guys? My week was

kind of interesting. I guess I'll tell you guys

a quick little funny story that actually resulted...

as the recording from last week's episode. Really?

After we, after we finished recording last week's

episode, you know, we, we obviously we use Skype

to make the call and everything. And we each

kind of have our little recordings to make sure

we got all our bases covered. And usually like,

you know, I close out Skype and I close out the

recorder and it saves automatically. So I don't

even have to do anything. So I closed all the

programs and I was kind of getting ready to go

to bed, but I was playing a little game first.

It was actually one of the old school Tron games,

like the one from the 80s. Nice, nice. So I was

playing that a little bit, kind of gets me a

little sleepy and I was getting ready to go to

bed. So I'm playing that and I kind of finish

up, I close the laptop, I fall asleep. And the

next morning I wake up and I was going to send

Dan the file for what I recorded and I looked

in the folder where it automatically saves the

recordings and I see this huge file. I mean it's

like hundreds of thousands of kilobytes and I'm

like that's kind of weird you know like usually

it's not that high so like I click on the thing

to kind of start listening to it to check it

and I hear us talking, recording. I skip ahead

a little bit in the bar and it's, you know, like

the end of our episode, like us wrapping up and

there's still all this time left on like the

play bar. And I'm like, what the hell happened

here? So like I'm advancing throughout the play

bar and like, I hear the little like Tron noises

from the game playing and I'm like, what the

hell? So then I advance a little more and then

all of a sudden I hear me snoring. Like I would

hear silence and I'm like, Oh man, that's so

weird. And that's like, and it's like periodic

throughout. And I'm like, Oh my God. I literally

somehow recorded myself sleeping the entire night.

Nice. So weird. And like, so then I started like

checking to see like like I wonder if there's

any like, you know EVP like any voices going

on in my room while I'm sleeping or something

But then I creeped out so I stopped listening

I have no idea how it happened. I'm pretty sure

you had an EVP that went Infinity Gauntlet, pizza's

so good. So it recorded you even though you closed

your laptop? Yeah, well I closed the programs,

like I exited, and I closed the laptop, which

puts it into sleep mode automatically. That's

insane, wow. Somehow, someway, it still recorded

me all night, which is, I still can't figure

out how it did that, but it actually made two

copies, like it did end the one where I ended

it. Yeah, so I had like a decent one. It was

still kind of messed up a little bit, but Then

there was this really long one so I just deleted

it That's pretty much useless Yeah, really strange

the thing you checked like that day and that

like days later and it was still going it was

like right I know All right, I just got back

home from Sorry, I was gonna phrase it very terribly.

I was out eating at a restaurant with my mother

we went to Primanti Brothers because I actually

Went out to eat with Chuck right after we saw

X -Men and we went to Primanti Brothers and I

came Home and I told my mom i'm like, oh they

have this is a drink this blue alcoholic beverage

And they put a little uh rubber ducky in it And

so like for for the next couple of days She was

like I want to go to permany brothers and get

that drink with a little duck in it I want to

go to permany brothers get the little drink with

a little duck in it So we went to permany brothers

with the main mission of getting her this little

blue drink with a little rubber ducky in it So

she was so excited for that. Uh The drink was

meh, so it was kind of like an adult happy meal

Some kind of like pineapple rum Some Morocco,

I think it's called on water, you know Yeah,

and there was something else that I don't remember

what it was. It was it was very very sweet Not

that great if you ask me I cry into it now. Um,

it's, it's the, it's the Karako I believe that

makes it blue. It's kind of a bluish green. It

was a very pretty color and it was cool with

a little duck sitting in it, but it didn't taste

that great. The sandwich was really good that

I had. Do you get to keep the duck? Yes. She

has the duck. Yes, they apparently ran out of

ducks last week Yeah, my mom's like very happy

that she she was there when they had Reupped

on their ducks Gotta gotta get a re -up cuz like,

you know, you never know when they're gonna go

away so yeah, and she she had a good time cuz

I ordered retro tots and I had those with when

both of you guys were in I had retro tots and

I had her try some of those and she was she thought

those were great and she was like stealing half

of them off me, but she had a Pastrami and I

had a roast beef sandwich. And if you didn't

listen to the other episodes where we talk about

pramanis, it's a sandwich where you get thick

slices of white bread. They put a meat and a

cheese on there. That's on the menu. There are

different options. And then it's French fries,

vinegar based coleslaw, French fries and tomatoes

all on the sandwich and bunched together. So

that was really good. I take the tomatoes off

though. Yeah, tomatoes are gross, but yes speaking

of alcohol the last time we record it was Memorial

Day weekend and each Memorial Day weekend we

go to this thing called Flavor Fest and I went

again this year. It's this wine festival, wine

tasting festival and it's outside of Philly.

It's like a Pennsylvania Renaissance Fair, which

is a lot of fun. So it did show our age though

because we missed last year because my son was

born, but we went this year. We lasted about

like less than an hour because it was like ungodly

hot. It had been like near a hundred degrees.

So we like Went to a few places. We got, we only

got like five bottles of wine because we went,

we still want wine from last time we weren't

there. And then we went straight to our friends

who were in the same area. We went to their home

and they had a pool and went swimming. So I got

to take my son swimming for the first time and

he adored it. Uh, I don't know what it says,

but like, he has no fear. He just like wants

to go like headfirst right into the water. So

I got to try to not teach him, but he also, he

took his first steps, which was exciting. Um,

yeah, of course. trying to chase bubbles because

they have magical powers for kids so as an attempt

to chase bubbles down he started walking so they

are they are a miracle uh i guess he would i

don't know what you'd call them they're not a

miracle toy i don't know But I would be chasing

after a different type of bubble. I would be

chasing after bubble butts. There you go. Yeah.

Bubble bubble bubble. That's an old song. But

that's been my week. But Chuck, I do know if

also this week there was some announcements when

it comes to that of the Marvel Legends, which

you're a big fan of. So I was curious if we have

some new toys coming out and if anything caught

your eye. Oh, yes. the Marvel Legends. I've been

a huge fan of these ever since they came out.

I think I've been collecting these for a good

10 or 12 years now. I don't know. I forget exactly

how long it's been. But yeah, we knew most of

what was coming out this year. There were still

a couple of surprises that we didn't know yet.

But one of the biggest waves anticipated was

the X -Men Marvel Legend wave. And there was

a great character lineup in that. I think we

knew from Toy Fair in February that they had,

like, there was Cable, there was a new Deadpool,

Phoenix, Kitty Pryde, a new Iceman. I know I'm

forgetting one right now, but really, really

great character lineup. And then it was just

revealed that, what was it, a few days ago or

last week. That they the eighth figure in the

wave was the brown costume Wolverine And they

did make one back in the day the toy biz version

Which was good for back then but as the case

with a lot of the figures now It's kind of time

for an update because they're really cranking

out some great stuff right now The sculpts are

amazing and like just the face sculpts and the

stuff too are just like there's so much like

statues now It's like it doesn't even look like

a toy anymore So the the brown costume Wolverine

was pretty great and and obviously with that

came They showed the packaging of it and in it

was the head of juggernaut Obviously revealing

that the builder figure for the wave would be

a juggernaut You never would think you would

find juggernaut's head and Wolverine's package

Wow Yeah, it might cause it to stretch yeah There's

a there's a I'm the juggernaut bitch comment

somewhere there, but So I'm really excited about

the juggernaut build a figure because We got

one back in the day. It was I don't know. It

was kind of crappy the toy biz version The Marvel

Select version actually really, really nice.

I have that one. I like it a lot. But this one's

cool as well. It'd be good to have another version

of it just because Juggernaut's one of my favorite

characters. And it looks really, really cool,

really detailed and everything. They even show

like all the bolts on the helmet and stuff like

that. It's crazy. But so there's that wave. And

then they also announced that along with that

going up on a lot of websites for pre -order

is the new Spider -Man series. I think it's the

fourth Spider -Man Legends wave under the new

ones. And that's got some pretty cool ones. They

have a lot of the new characters mixed in with

that as well. They have the ultimate Spider -Man,

a Peter Parker version, and they have a Miles

Morales version. Both of those are really nice.

They have a silk figure. They have the Ashley

Barton Spider -Woman from one of Greg's favorite

stories there, Old Man Logan. And they have really,

really cool hobgoblin and electro figures. That's

kind of like the classic electro version. I just

saw a picture today they released where I think

he's going to have swappable heads. So he's going

to have the old timey like star looking head

with the five points coming off of it. And then

he's going to have a little bit more modern ones,

stuff like that. So I think the build a figure

in that wave is a space venom. Which i'm not

really familiar with because I haven't been uh

reading a lot of new stuff But it made me think

of ollie williams from family guy immediately

So i'm just like space venom Uh, what's his name

flash thompson is now venom and he was agent

venom and then he joined guardians the galaxy

and became space venom and now he He has his

own single issue like a comic that's been out.

I read the first couple of those It's actually

quite funny. I enjoyed it. There was this robot

that like wanted For some reason just wanted

to kill itself, but he wanted to let it kill

its I don't know It's a long story, but it's

like this it gets into the mythology of symbiotes

and maybe that they're not as evil as we may

think and So I always wanted to continue it but

I have not I've been majorly falling behind with

comics. So Yeah So if anybody's interested in

those they're they're up on a few sites. I think

big bad toy store has them Entertainment Earth,

I think Dorkside Toys, those two waves are up

for pre -order on those sites. I think they're

coming out either the end of this month or in

July at some point, so. Very cool, and actually

it's kind of along those same lines, but in the

realm of comics, even though I'm behind with

comics, and Greg, I know you read this as well,

DC did do their huge rebirth, relaunch, whatever

you want to call it. in d .c.'s rebirth the single

issue came out like 83 pages like three dollars

or so and uh yeah really good value and i know

you read it so what did you what did you think

of uh d .c.'s rebirth most of it was uh kind

of forgettable if you ask me but i forget a lot

but the last two pages which i'm not going to

spoil really knocked it out of the park for me

and is Making me really look forward to the potential

of what's going to happen in the DC universe

It's just an interesting concept. They're kind

of bringing in some New old characters. I'm looking

forward to that It seems like the rest of it

is just kind of like little updates of oh, this

is what's kind of going on with this character

This is kind of what's going on with this character

and there was a lot of in the first chapter There

was a lot of florally language kind of going

on. So I got kind of bogged down in that But

overall it was it was really good for for the

value and everything Definitely an interesting

concept that I got super excited about the end

made the whole thing worth it for me. Overall,

it was pretty decent. I wish DC would go back.

They have a new logo at this point and it's not

doing much for me. I liked this last logo that

they had where it kind of looked like a comic

page turning over from the D to the C that's

kind of behind it. I thought that was an interesting

concept. It looked nice and modern and the one

they have now looks kind of simple and old and

boring and So regarding rebirth, I actually really

love this year. I thought it was really fantastically

done and most certainly a commentary on basically

where DC comics have been in the last few years,

you know the idea of what they've turned into

in its Kind of pointing fingers without pointing

fingers talking about like how much DC characters

have changed and it just basically it centers

around without spoiling it I guess like a character

that's trying to travel around to be remembered

again really and you see like his escapades and

trying to do that and Not near the end of it.

Like when it comes to its resolution I thought

it was rather beautifully told and I thought

the artwork was really well done and The artwork

was really good. The final pages do kind of make

you wonder Okay, where is this going because

it does majorly a change DC in a way that maybe

we weren't expecting but it does seem like DC

is trying to go back to It almost felt like an

apology letter for the for the last few years

of DC Comics in a way where it's like, okay we

tried to do this thing and we tried to change

the tone of our comics and and they're missing

something and people are, when we're trying to

get that back and it's not just the continuity,

there was more to it than that. So it almost

felt like that was what it was designed to do,

which I did like, I'm hearing good things about

some of the DC rebirth issues that have come

out, like Batman and Superman. So I'd be curious

to see what those mean. And I guess it's... It

would probably would even be more effective for

I think a DC fan because there's probably things

about it that I'm not aware of because it's Talking

about stories and things of that in the past

that I'm not super aware of So in some characters

that I'm not super well versed in so if you are

you probably would enjoy it more But uh, it does

have me excited for where DC comics are going

And even if they are like rebooting for the 80th

time, you know It could end up being for the

for the best if they can kind of get back to

what made them good to begin with so Yeah, I

definitely think it's something Chuck should

pick up. I think you would find it interesting

Yeah, I think so too, especially considering

the characters that are the focal point of this

issue Yeah, I thought the character that was

setting it up was very interesting and well used

I'm not sure if I knew enough of the background

story behind that to kind of get all of it But

they they did a good job of trying to bring you

in a little bit and I think that's what kind

of took it down for me and made it a little forgettable

and like I said my My memory is terrible to begin

with. Yeah, I think I will definitely have to

check that out. Try to plan on picking it up

this weekend, hopefully, and give it a read.

I mean, yeah, like you mentioned, I mean, the

fact that it's like over 80 pages and it's like

three dollars is pretty good value just in that

end. So it's you know, when comics are getting

when Marvel is like charging more and more. And

got to say, like, I feel like DC is heading.

In a right direction where I don't know Marvel

seems kind of lost at the moment, but we'll see

we'll see how things go There are some good Marvel

comics out there, but they just I don't know.

We talked about the Steve Rogers thing last week.

I'm curious to see where that goes. Which I also

read and I don't get what the big deal is out

of it. It's like it's just a one page thing at

the end that they could easily be like he could

be like a double agent or something like it's

it's not that big of a deal. I feel like it's

automatically going to get switched to something

else. I don't get what people's big deal is.

yeah i don't know we'll see like you said i think

it's gonna be he was dead the entire time something

i don't know but uh yeah or it won't be him did

you see what uh stanley commented about it oh

no no i did not yeah someone asked him and he

actually he's like i think it's a great idea

he's like i never thought of doing that but he's

like it actually makes sense to you know try

to get more readers and stuff and like you know

he's He's thinking of it from still from the

business standpoint kind of like, you know bringing

in more readers and stuff But he he said I think

it's a great idea. You know, however, he talks

in Yeah, we'll see I'm gonna at least like I

said, I wasn't a huge fan of Nick Spencer's like

art with Captain America, Sam Wilson, but I'm

going to give it a couple issues. To me, the

bigger issue is the fact that his costume looks

awful. That to me is more important, but whatever.

What about the new shield that I heard about

today? Is there anything cool going on with that?

Not really. No, there's like a little laser like

knife thing that comes out from the bottom there

where it kind of comes to a point. I heard it

comes like it breaks apart in half or something

too. Not in the first issue that I can remember.

No, I don't remember doing that in the first

issue either, so. I don't know. It becomes like

he can slice it, he can dice it. It's, you know,

set it and forget it. It's trying to turn them

into Leonardo, you know? Yeah, exactly. But what

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X -Men, Apocalypse, the franchise didn't spin

around for 16 years and I don't know, what is

this, the eighth, ninth, tenth movie? It's hard

to keep track of, there's a bunch of them, especially

if you count the Wolverine films. So we'll just

start with our general thoughts and impressions,

and I guess Chuck Mabel, we'll start with you.

There's been a lot of talk about x -men apocalypse

up to this point. I mean a lot of reaction Uh

that that we've seen and I was curious after

you watched it, you know We we were huge fans

of days of future past. You can actually go back

and listen to our episode on that Um, did this

live up to your expectations? You know, where

did this fall for you? Um, I think uh I thought

it was really enjoyable. I had a lot of fun watching

it my I think my main impression was as I was

leaving was i'm thinking Okay, this movie has

a lot of issues to me, but it was still somehow

good. I'm not really sure how it pulled that

off. And by good, I mean kind of like fun and

entertaining to watch. The bad parts of things

that I had issues with didn't really do a whole

lot to turn my opinion negative as it did in

something like Batman vs Superman or something

like that. It was still a very, very fun ride.

even with the problems which we can get into

later because they're a little bit more detailed

but I thought obviously for sure it was a big

step down from Days of Future Past. I think probably

the lowest of the three new X -Men movies I would

put it because I think First Class was a little

bit better as well but I enjoyed a lot of things

about it. I enjoyed the introduction of the new

younger characters and as I kind of figured beforehand,

they had a pretty large role in it, you know,

as far as Cyclops and Jean and Nightcrawler,

stuff like that. And I really had a lot of fun

with that because, I mean, to be honest, we kind

of seen plenty of Mystique and Beast in the last

couple of movies. It's nice to see some new faces

in there and sort of follow them around on an

adventure a little bit. So that was pretty cool

to see. I actually thought Sophie Turner. did

a great job as as Jean Grey. I really liked her,

which is weird because I was kind of skeptical

about that at first. I wasn't sure how she was

going to be. But I actually really liked her

and some of the scenes they kind of showed between

her and Scott were interesting. And I loved how

they kind of gave Cyclops a little bit of an

attitude, like you sort of got even though he's

a young man, he's still kind of got that. little

bit of an alpha male personality that, you know,

you would expect him to have because he's such

a great leader and stuff. So there's a lot, a

lot of upside. One of the big downfalls was I

think it was a little bit too, I guess, grandiose

or flamboyant or, you know, over the top, whatever

term you want to use. But I mean, the special

effects cost must have been through the roof

on this. But I thought some of the things were

a little bit far fetched, even for an X -Men

movie. Little bit a little bit too over the top,

but like I said overall I really I really did

have a lot of fun watching it So all righty Greg

your thoughts. What do you what did you think

of you around? So for Chuck he enjoyed it, but

was not nearly to the level of days the future

past and first class. What about you? What are

you? I'm kind of on the same level here thought

it was a bit long and they could have cut some

cut it down a little bit because it was just

getting too laborious especially up front it

felt like a lot of origins for everybody and

a lot of setting up which is understandable there

there was a lot that the average moviegoer might

not get if it wasn't that if it was uh left out

uh so it's understandable but it just kind of

took it down a little bit i enjoy enjoyment of

it definitely the best part of this movie like

the last was definitely Quicksilver for me. Definitely

great and added a little bit of levity kind of

in the middle of the movie where you were kind

of gonna need it. I thought all of the new actors

and actresses that they brought in did a great

job. Like Chuck said, I thought Sophie Turner

was great. I didn't have any reservations about

it. I've seen her in Game of Thrones. She does

a great job. And I think she looks great as Jean

Grey. Everybody else did a really great job along

those lines. So it was just kind of an average

for me It was it was still a very very good I

thought but it was just kind of average and I

think the the last two x -men movies Definitely

were better than this one Yeah, I mean I'm around

the same line as you guys I might be even a little

bit lower in the sense like it feels like one

movie too many in a way where It suffers from

a lot of the major problems you usually have

with sequels and a lot of the major problems

you usually have with prequels. It's like the

middle child of this franchise where it's like

a lot of the first class characters have gotten

to the point where there's almost not much more

room for them to develop. unless you basically

get them to the point that they're in when it

comes to the later X -Men films. Like, for example,

Magneto, I like his story in this a lot. I think

some of his moments are the best moments in the

film. But it also feels very familiar. For a

film familiar, it's, you know, he has a tragic

accident happens that takes away his humanity

and he has to then, you know, goes on this rampage

to try to then restore it again. And Mystique,

again, it feels like her story from last film

is still continuing. in the same way where it

left, didn't really go anywhere from the last

movie. She's trying to figure out who she is

as a character and I don't know, I just... I

know Jennifer Lawrence is a big star, but I just

feel like the character of Mystique just there's

not as much there as they're making it there

out to be. Like I kind of get the idea of making

her this like symbol for that of the mutant cause.

But I don't know how effective it is or how much

they really. Yeah, I think they got too preachy

with that and over the top with calling her hero,

because I really don't remember as being that

much of a hero or an inspiration in the last

movie. So it was kind of weird to me. I mean,

and it's even weirder, too, because They're like,

singer's talking about he wants to do a Mystique

solo movie. And I'm like, why? I don't, I'm not

sure that would work. Like, I don't know. Yeah.

So, and I know you guys were fans of the new

actors and I think I like a lot of those people

like Ty Serden and I have enjoyed a lot. He was

great in Mud and Tree of Life and Joe. I don't

know for some reason he didn't completely work

for me as Scott Summers. Some of the scenes he

did and I don't know if it was him or someone

just the dialogue. It just didn't click all the

way. Sophie Turner as Jean Grey, I thought was

better, but there are some moments, like, there's

some, again, I don't know if it's a dialogue

issue, like, there's just some conversations

that you have where, I don't know, I didn't quite

get the Jean Grey that I was looking for, but

again, it's different because these are still

kids, so it's something we haven't really seen

before. I did really like Cody Smith, as Nightcrawler,

I thought, he impressed me, I'm really excited

to see what they do with that character. But

I am a fan of the apocalypse character or the

villain. I enjoy him in the comics and to be

fair they did they got overall like what apocalypse

is like in the comics they pretty fair representation

but it's in a way I think he is a villain that

maybe works better in comics than he does on

a big screen because it's just I don't know like

his entire mantra his entire plot and Game plan

or whatever you want have it was just kind of

dull like, you know, this the idea of destroying

the world He is very much survival of the fittest

you destroy the world and those that survive

deserve to survive and I'll rule the ashes of

it. I think that And almost one wish they went

down to more of an age of apocalypse storyline

where it is this alternate universe that's been

like ravaged and I don't know to give it something

different of a feel I thought that The 80s putting

it in the 80s was interesting, smart idea, but

I just thought at times some of the eighties

-ness was a little bit too much, like they were

picking up too many pop culture references from

the eighties, I made it a little bit, you know,

you have Ms. Pac -Man, Knight Rider in the background,

some of the... Just the designs of the clothing

were just a little bit like like too stereotypical

of 80 especially when it came to Jean Grey like

I don't think she had a moment where she wasn't

wearing gigantic shoulder pads it was just like

again a little bit of a nitpick, but But still

though. I there is a lot of what I love about

the X -Men franchise here. I always think the

X -Men franchise is Successful based upon the

relationships between the characters and and

it's more always been more about this team than

really individuals And I think it succeeds on

that end. I mean I like I said, I love the Magneto

storyline I enjoy these characters interacting

even though besides some some issues with the

individuals of the new X -Men I thought I saw

seeing them come together as a team was enjoyable

and by the end I was I was really invested into

the final climax and I did enjoy it and so I

like Again, I see some problems with it. It's

a little bit Chaotic maybe over overly bloated

it suffers from some of the like some some of

the new characters are kind of wasted like Psylocke

is kind of pointless and There's maybe other

places they can go, but I think there's still

a lot to enjoy within it. I overall walked away

happy. I was hesitant even going in because it

just, even like going in, I felt like it was

just maybe one movie too many and maybe they

just need to, I don't know what they're gonna

go with next, if it's gonna be in the 90s and

maybe they'll get away from. Yeah, it will be

in the 90s. Yeah. So that, I'm still excited

to see more of it, but I just think at this point,

maybe they need to. Move away from kind of repeating

the same storylines or get away from the mystique

character and that in that conflict because I

just I can't get invested in it like I was with

these a future past and in first class, so I'd

say I actually like this kind of uh got me in

a little bit of an x -men kick after I saw it

and I think it was uh, I was the next day or

a couple days later, whatever it was actually

got the urge to watch Days of Future Past again.

So I threw that in and I was like, I could not

believe how much I loved that movie like more

than I even remember loving it. Like I'm watching

it. It was kind of like the first time seeing

it again. I'm like, holy, like this shit is awesome.

Like, you know, everything about Days of Future

Past I really loved. And it kind of made me realize

how much more I enjoyed that than Apocalypse.

But there was still some enjoyment there. But

I think like Days of Future Past was just better

written and, you know, there's a lot more substance

there, I guess you would say, something like

that. Yeah. I thought there was just nothing

new, like nothing like that. Yeah. Like, OK,

this is the watershed moment for this movie.

You guys, Greg, you mentioned the Quicksilver

scene. Again, I thought it was great. It was

a lot of fun. Just you know, it's equally to

that maybe of the previous movie But they didn't

that's just something they've done before and

I guess I didn't see anything in this that was

like Oh, wow, this is they're taking this idea

to a new level. That's I always feel like every

X -Men movie from like, you know X -Men 2 the

White House Nightcrawlers attack in the White

House even like X -Men 3 is some decent action

sequences that hold up First -class has a lot

of stuff that I love that that stands out like

these are the coin in that I thought was great

In this there wasn't there wasn't that thing

that I felt like okay This is the linchpin of

the film that makes it like this is gonna be

what I remember when I walk out of the movie

Yeah, and even like I was thinking too back at

like some really emotional interactions between

The characters and some of the other movies like

in the first one you have some some memorable

interactions and conversations between Xavier

Magneto in days of future past you have their

interaction on the plane, uh, on the private

jet when they were speaking and everything. Um,

and then also in days of future past, the one

that really stuck out to me was like the conversation

between the future Xavier and the past Xavier.

And it's, it's just one of those like inspirational

kind of speeches or conversations that sort of

defines what the whole movie is all about. And

it really gives it that emotional weight behind

it and Is really like the inner strength of the

X -Men. I didn't really get any moment like that

from this like there was nothing that You could

look at it and say like yeah, that's what the

X -Men are all about, you know, like Conversation

where he's telling his old self. We need you

to hope again and stuff like that I thought that

was a great thing that was kind of missing from

this Yeah, there's there's one thing I think

that comes close to me I get it into when I get

into spoilers, but I was I was kind of curious

what you guys thought of the use of apocalypse

in this it's probably one of x -men's besides

magneto most infamous villains it's probably

the first time they've actually had a villain

besides maybe dark phoenix if you want to call

her that of the villain where that you know you're

getting a classic x -men hugely powerful villain

what did you think of you know oscar isaac's

portrayal you know portrayal of him and the use

of him as a character yeah i thought oscar isaac

did a great job with it i still think he should

have been a little bit bulkier if i want to go

uh the physicality of it i'm not sure if he was

really that intimidating uh i believe chuck said

which i agree with after the the film that wishy

had that like the menacing kind of altered voice

throughout instead of just at key moments when

he needed it. I thought the use of his powers

was kind of interesting because those are all

over the place. Even in the comics, you don't

really exactly know what his capabilities are.

I think for his philosophy, I think they kept

pretty darn close to it. So overall, I was happy

with it. There's just a couple of things here

and there that I wish were a little bit better

done. Sometimes to fit into the story, some sacrifices

have to be made. Yeah, I guess so. I guess they

were not they were not strong enough to make

it through, I guess. Chuck, what did you think?

I did enjoy Apocalypse overall. I think I did

have a problem with sort of his range of powers,

I guess. And I know, like in the comics, they're

kind of all over the place as well. But this

seemed like to a whole other extreme like. they

were just doing crazy things that were like pretty

you'd have to make a pretty far leap in logic

or you'd have to have a pretty vivid imagination

to think some of these things like it's like

most of the mutant powers are somewhat explainable

um his just seemed like just kind of ridiculous

like he's He's touching a TV and he's learning

all of human history through a TV. I'm like,

how is that possible? You have a history channel.

That's right. Like even if you could do that,

like you couldn't learn all of human history

through one, one wave. And even like, there was

only a couple of networks back then anyway. So

like, I don't know what they were thinking there,

that stuff. And just being able to move everything

with his mind, like, you know, telekinesis extremely

advanced level of teleponiesis it was pretty

crazy just to see like all these things flying

around all over the place and it was just it

kind of gave me the impression I'm like all right

well why can't you just say I win and like just

make it so like it was getting so ridiculous

it's like why can't you just will something to

happen and make it so because his powers were

getting so ridiculous I'm like why do you even

need your horsemen when you can just do whatever

you want So I thought they could have toned down

his powers a little bit, you know, made him a

little bit more vulnerable in some spots to where

he actually would need his horsemen a little

bit more. So that kind of irked me a little bit,

but I mean, I think Oscar Isaac did pretty good.

Some of the, some of the dialogue was a little

bit odd. Um, it was, it was interesting. I won't

ruin too much, but there was a moment where he

kept saying no more this and no more that. I

was like, this is so reminiscent of House of

M when Scarlet Witch says no more mutants. He

just kept saying no more. He said it like five

times. It was kind of funny, but overall I liked

him. Like Greg said, I mentioned him. I wish

they did the funky altered voice with the delay.

Wish he had it and every line, but they only

had it on a few choice lines, which was kind

of interesting but So yeah, that was my overall

thought to him. I guess yeah, I agree with the

like his his parish were so We're very problematic

in the sense of it's like if you can just basically

control matter to that extent How was anyone

ever gonna like even like face you in any way

like you can basically just? put someone into

a wall and change their molecular structure and

like everything. You basically destroy a town

just by your wham. Like, yeah, it just seems

so inconsistent that it was like, okay, where,

what is this, how are they gonna stop him? Like,

how is this even worse, his vulnerability? I

was actually kind of surprised that like, He

obviously has, you know, the exosuit that the

comics do, that he technically is like a celestial

suit, and they don't really go into that explanation.

I guess they just explain that, like, he does

these retractions and gets all these powers,

but never really into, like, how they're even

capable of doing that. And, you know, I guess

we're supposed to be like, well, they were, you

know, the Egyptians at that time. They had the

capability of... This advanced technology that

we wouldn't even have today or if we're supposed

to be more magical or or what have you I mean,

I don't necessarily need an explanation. I could

see what was happening, but Just I could see

some people being lost of like why is this guy

who was you know born thousands of years ago?

Having you know, basically this technology that

doesn't even exist today. Um, like it's almost

like a stargate type of thing. Um, yeah Yeah,

so uh I thought our Oscar Isaac did as best as

he could considering like the prosthetics he

was in I actually did like the look of apocalypse

overall I thought it looked enough like the comics

without the and I didn't mind the fact that they

didn't do the voice all the time I could understand

why they would only do it when they felt it was

necessary because it could be difficult to have

a conversation between people with that type

of delay maybe maybe they tried it and didn't

work or but it I don't know he was fine, but

like There's just it's problematic when you get

it with villain that powerful It's almost to

the point where they're not that interesting

anymore. It's like where Where's the dynamic

between him? Like when you have like magneto

who's probably one of the best comic book villains

ever if not the best And compared to him, it's

just it's you know apocalypse is I don't know,

like it's - Yeah, his only goal is destruction,

so it's like, okay, why is - that's not even

interesting. Yeah, he's more of a force of nature,

more of like a natural disaster than he is a

full -fledged character, so. Right, it's like

the X -Men fighting a tornado or something. Exactly,

exactly. Speaking of which, I did really like

the girl that played Storm. Like, I've seen her

in interviews and she, like, she's nothing -

she's got a really bubbly personality, but in

Storm - Did you see her on Good Morning America?

No, I did not. My god, it was hilarious. I was

telling Chuck about it. They had her introduced

the weather which okay. Yeah the Morning goes

with that. Yeah, and so They they kind of have

her introduced the weather and then she kind

of tosses out her hands like she does in the

movie and Electricity comes out so they had a

little special effect in front of her there.

So I was like, oh, that's cool. At least they're

trying but then she took her hands away and Somebody

was a little slow on the switch And they didn't

take them away. And where she had her hands placed

when she took them away, it looked like the electricity

was coming out of her boobs. It was freaking

hilarious. Nice. Maybe it was. Maybe it was.

You never know. But yeah, that was interesting.

And so I think they did as best as they maybe

could have. I don't know. It just seemed like

like the main issue with Apocalypse was just

that just, I don't know, his plan wasn't all

that. Interesting, I guess I don't know. Okay

considering like we had what Kevin Bacon as in

the first X -Men first class Yeah, yeah, so I

thought he was even better than like I like Oscar

Isaac as an actor a lot But I don't think any

issues with apocalypse had anything to do with

him But anything else you guys want to talk about

before we get into the nanny gritty specifics

also known as Sebastian Shaw You know, it's not

like he was as bad as Emma Frost, you know with

a January Jones. She was just god -awful. I Think

I just wanted to say like I'm probably gonna

bring up a lot of negative points To it like

in the next segment, but like I mentioned that

I still like enjoyed the movie a lot I thought

it was a fun ride. But for some reason it's When

I was going through this it was very easy for

me to kind of pick out things I had problems

with and kind of write them down on a list like

I have like a bunch of them so it's gonna sound

like I hated the movie but I really didn't I

swear. Were there any general positive notes

that we you know we want to bring up before we

get to specifics? Quick silver scene still cool

I think they maybe have upgraded a little bit

with how much he kind of had to do in that scene

and how much she had as a role overall but nothing

really else kind of really stood out where I

was like oh that's amazing yay I really liked

all the parts with the new students for the most

part like I felt that was it was for me at least

my attention was a lot more on them than it was

like what apocalypse was doing because you know

they're gonna stop and end so it's like you know

they're gonna find a way to do something and

I was more interested in how they're kind of

bringing along the younger characters because

I'm thinking ahead, like I'm thinking for the

next movie that's supposed to take place in the

90s, which was my favorite era of X -Men. So

I'm seeing how are they developing Scott, how

are they developing Gene and Nightcrawler and

Storm and stuff like that. So that really intrigued

me. And then along those same lines, I really

enjoyed seeing, you know, Xavier's school. and

all the students there and sort of seeing his

dream realized, you know, where he has all the

students there and he's starting to teach them

classes and everything like that. And you have,

you know, some of the people, like especially

Beast and stuff like working there as professors

and everything. And, you know, even some little

details like Beast incorporating some technology

into the X -Mansion that is familiar to us from

the original trilogy. With all the original x

-men movies like some of those same things you

saw him like building So I thought that was really

really cool, you know details that they threw

in Or they say what they are, but it was just

like if you keep a close eye You can kind of

see some things like oh, yeah remember that from

like, you know The second movie or the first

movie from the old the original movies also also

something I forgot was Seeing Wolverine in his

throwback creation Adamantium edition. I forget

what the exact name of the costume is but we're

essentially where he's hooked up It's got the

the fanny pack and the visor thing on that. I

thought that was Pretty cool. Oh, yeah, the weapon

X version of Wolverine, which I guess was technically

spoiled in the trailer. So They just showed his

claw popping out, but that was about it. They

didn't really show any of the The the fanny pack

or whatever the techie fanny pack. Yeah, I did

I was actually Happy to see like havoc return

like I thought was an unexpected surprise Yeah

in still seeing the conflict that you see between

Xavier like his desire and and how even beasts

there Hake McCoy is Conflicted because simply,

you know Xavier wants Basically hoping for the

best where you know beast has that lens I go

for the best but prepare for the worst so So

I did like that and a little even though I wish

there was more of it the little interaction you

get between Xavier and Magneto I still think

that has always been the best part of these movies

from the very first one to this and whenever

you get that I still enjoy it even if they're

two different actors, but Um, but yeah, let's

get let's get to some specifics. So there are

some general positive or some positive specifics

I could bring up as well So if you've not watched

x -men apocalypse stop now skip ahead come back

and listen again once you've watched it, but

we're gonna get into Spoiler so you've been warned

no excuses and what I did actually want to take

a few steps back and Chuck you were mentioning

previously like that that speech or the conversations

between characters that really kind of Resonate

you and what the other films and I thought the

closest one that came came to this one was when

you had apocalypse Using Xavier to like speak

to the world and you and you had Xavier kind

of like at the end twist it and Basically not

say what he wanted to like that to me was like

the the closest we've got to that and I did like

that moment and it did I don't know I mean That

was like one of the moments where you wanted

to stand up and cheer because you did see him

kind of stand up to apocalypse when I did not

Honestly see that coming as much as I probably

should have Yeah, and I I did that thought did

enter my mind about that particular scene, but

I wanted to see him say more I felt like it was

a little bit too quick or he just kind of set

it right at the end. Like I would have wanted

to say a little bit more, something a little

bit more inspiring to kind of get people to get

the mutants united and stuff. Because it kind

of like it almost seemed like it kind of petered

out like a little bit because it was, you know,

Gene took it as like. you know, okay, as a secret

message for me, which he obviously did have like

a little embedded message in there for her, but

like nobody alleged what Xavier said to like

stand up and fight. Like they did through their

actions, but nobody really sort of acknowledged

it verbally. Like, like, yeah, we need to stand

up and fight for this. There weren't any shots

of, you know, other mutants around the world.

Like, so I felt like it sort of felt flat the

way they did it. I don't know, maybe a little

bit of tweaking there could have made that probably

a lot more effective, in my opinion. Yeah, it

was a halftime speech that no one really paid

attention to, I guess, even though it was coming

through their minds. Yeah. Interesting. Greg,

you brought up the Wolverine cameo specifically.

I know it was kind of spoiled, but did you guys

see that coming once William Stryker showed up

that, like, okay, this is what's happening? Yeah,

I didn't know that they were gonna go with the

the fanny pack and visor thing and being locked

in the box and the kids fine like I didn't expect

how it happened to happen, but I Knew that the

Wolverine was gonna be brought in somehow and

I was excited for that part of the movie I should

I probably should have known from the trailer

judging by like the background in that shot with

Wolverine's claws like you know seeing the different

the walls and stuff probably should have known

what it was but as soon as like they as soon

as they did this the sweeping pan with the camera

of alkali lake like i knew exactly kind of what

was coming and like i knew that scene from the

trailer was was coming basically and the next

few scenes so i'm like okay they're at alkali

lake you know this is where magneto is this is

where a big part of x -men 2 took place like

the original x -men 2 So he kind of knew where

some things were gonna fall into place there

a little bit which was cool again because they're

tying things back into the original The original

x -men movie, so I thought that was pretty well

incorporated and interwoven I guess yeah, I don't

know I was I guess I was on the other side of

that like I got why they did it and I could understand

it it just felt I don't know almost unnecessary

in a way and just It felt like a random tangent

like okay, William Stryker shows up they go Alcline

Lake and then they If you could kind of remove

that entire portion of it and you're not really

changing much about the movie in a way, so it

Unnecessary cameo or just like they wanted to

throw that in there because you need Wolverine

or something like that. So I I agree with that.

I think the like the actual part where Wolverine

appears like I thought it did feel a bit forced,

to be honest. Like it was exciting to see Alkali

Lake, but I probably would have been happy if

they just left it at that. Yeah. Don't get me

wrong. I was happy to see Wolverine, but it did

feel a bit forced having him come out of the

cage and just goes on a weird rampage and then

runs out the door. Yeah. I was like, wait a minute.

Like, that's kind of and I don't even think it

was. Hugh Jackman's best performance, to be honest,

like. Yeah, it was a little it was a little awkward

for some reason. I can't put my finger on it.

But if you look at the haircut, I don't know.

It could be. But to me, it was like his growling

and like his, you know, it was supposed to be

his his berserker age. But if you want to look

at his best berserker age, like look at the the

mansion scene from X two when they. When the

soldiers invade the X mansion, you know the famous

thing where he says you picked the wrong house,

bub When he goes in the berserker age then that

was like one of his best performances as Wolverine

this just felt like awkward somehow I can't really

put my finger on it, but it was just it felt

forced like it was weird Even even the action

of it in it didn't seem to like it was clumsily

handled I guess I don't know it felt not something

they thought out all that well Yeah, and I read

something interesting about Brian Singer's methods,

which I never really noticed, but I guess it's

kind of true now that I think about it. It's

like he likes bloodshed, but he doesn't really

like showing it. Yeah, that's true. Maybe he's

kind of restricted with the reading or whatnot,

but it's kind of like, he's, he's showing you

this really intense scene, but then it's looking

away at the last possible second. And you're

not really seeing, you're not really seeing it

fully develop, I guess. Yeah, true. I see. I

was knowing that Wolverine was going to be in

this. I was trying to figure it out. Okay. And

I assumed it was going to be in strikers compound,

but once they left the mansion and were like

going to the mall i was thinking that they were

that's where it was going to happen like i was

i don't know maybe i was thinking the first episode

of the x -men or something like that where they're

going to get in trouble and they get captured

there and they're going to cartoon the night

of the sentinels yeah yeah and they they're going

to try to tie it into the wolverine where you

had the wolverine saving was scott summers and

a few others and xavier came to try to help him

i thought that's like how they were going to

tie it in obviously that's not not what happened

Yeah, but and also like it just makes things

even confusing considering the X end of x -men

days of future past where you have mystique show

up and like give Worth the wolverine and like

that materialized anything. I guess I just kind

of forgot that that happened or just didn't know

what to do with it Yeah, like they they should

have never Had the the eyes flash yellow. They

should have just left it, you know everyone to

assume that striker did take Wolverine's body

because it just would have made so much more

sense. Yeah One thing I did really like though.

I touched upon it was the kind of the early stages

of the Magneto's story and I was really enjoying

what they were doing with him and Like the scene

where you do see his like his family killed I

thought that was very effective and then just

his method of killing all those guys with just

that I thought I couldn't tell but I thought

it was the coin from first class like it but

I guess I was just a locket, but I just yeah,

it was the it was the locket that When he was

telling the the girl the story of how he was

separated from his parents and he's like Like

you've always got them in your heart and he opened

it up and the two grandparents of the little

kid were in there and that's the locket that

he used. Yeah, it just shows you just how bad

-ass my ego is. It's like all I need is a locket

and I can kill an entire army of people. But

I just thought that was a really effective moving

scene when you just see. Especially its Fassbender

though him screaming to God was maybe a little

much but I thought overall those I Almost wish

we got more more of that because after that like

he almost gets forgotten until the very end Yeah,

that was something I wanted to bring up to like

to me in first class and days of future past

Fassbender was like this huge bright spot in

each of the movies I thought like his performances

were like terrific and Like he made such interesting

you know, villain out of Magneto and kind of

growing into his origin and stuff. But in this

one, like like you mentioned, we have that scene

with his family in Poland, I think it was. And

you have a little bit of him, you know, working

in that foundry sort of. That was weird sort

of seeing Magneto have a job. It's not really

a complaint, but it was just weird seeing like

Magneto has a job. I'm like, that's really weird.

Of course, surrounded by metal. I mean, you know,

he's right. But like after that scene, like you

said, he disappears for the movie. And I thought

like, you know, that's one of the that's one

of the big guns they have in their back pocket.

And it seemed like they just totally took him

out of the equation because for the Entire second

half of the movie. He's just floating in the

air with a bunch of metal particles Swarming

around him and it's just like I felt like the

movie would have been a lot better With more

of his influence in it, you know more dialogue

for him more scenes for him It just seems like

they took him out of it And you know that being

one of their best actors on the set. I felt like

they could have utilized them better Yeah, I

almost wish the They didn't even go with him

as being a horseman like I get kind of why they

did that but I don't know Yeah, it just seemed

like it might have been more interesting to see

him and Xavier working together to stop him,

you know that interesting I'm thinking of like

the x -men evolution cartoon that they they when

they had the apocalypse storyline and what they

did with it and you know that cartoon wasn't

great, but I thought that they handled apocalypse

maybe even better than The 90s series did. It

just, yeah, it just seemed like once he became

a horseman, everything interesting about that

character went away, and he was just, again,

similar. Just this guy who was just restoring

the world, and there wasn't much more there.

I always like the fact that a lot of the major

points with the X -Men characters aren't boiled

down to action sequences. It's often boiled down

to conversations and trying to make people to

make decisions based upon who they are as people.

Like you had with Days of Future Past a little

bit, and you had with Here as they try to, you

know, basically... Appeal to the humanity of

Magneto, but with you don't really get that with

an apocalypse But what do you guys think of since

we're kind of along those lines the final battle

with everything going down, you know if the fighting

of the horsemen the Xavier doing his mental telepathy

against you know apocalypse. What did you guys

think of that sequence? I thought the horsemen

were defeated rather easily to be you know, facing

a group of young kids that are like, you know,

pretty much have zero training whatsoever. They

just showed up at the school like three days

ago. For them to be able to take out the horsemen

like fairly easily was kind of weird. I felt

like they could have been a little bit stronger

and make apocalypse weaker. And I think it would

have balanced out a little bit better. But the

final scene was interesting. I mean, you kind

of knew they had to do something with Phoenix

because it's the only thing would even touch

this guy. Because once you see Magneto turn and

he starts firing all this metal at him and is

disintegrating as soon as it hits his force field,

it's like, OK, come on, like really, you know,

Magneto's thrown everything he has at him and

it can't even touch him. That, I guess, sort

of irked me a little bit that he was that powerful.

And it just seems like sort of a needless way

to bring in Phoenix I don't know for some reason

like it's like you barely know the character

Jean Grey as it is we need to get any background

on her at all and then like already you're like

showing her as the Phoenix which is I guess kind

of strange but yeah I wasn't wasn't super super

happy with the last scene but I thought it was

good enough that it worked okay Yeah with Chuck

I agree that the the horsemen were a little Underrated

there or they I think they should have been a

lot more powerful and then I thought It was interesting

that they at least had to bring so much Against

apocalypse and they had to do it on two fronts

which the two fronts kind of cutting back and

forth between i thought was interesting uh i

do think they did have apocalypse a little overpowered

uh now that i heard all you guys talking about

that but yeah it was it was uh okay I guess.

One thing that was cool, I'm sure you agree Greg,

is the little mini sequence they did with Quicksilver

hitting Apocalypse, like kept punching him. Oh

yeah, that was definitely the best part of that

scene. That was super cool. Except for the costume.

I think they nailed a good personality with it

It's definitely a different personality than

in the comics But I think I think the personality

that they went with goes great the character

and I think they they treat the his powers the

best out of Excuse me anybody in this movie really

yeah, and that was like his power set was the

one that I was sort of wondering as you approach

the climax of the movie, I'm like, okay, but

how would Apocalypse do against Quicksilver?

Because he moves faster than anybody could even

think. So I'm like, maybe he's kind of the key

to defeating this guy. And when he started attacking

him, he started punching him, just moving faster

than Apocalypse could even react. I was like,

oh man, maybe this is it, maybe this is the way

they sort of beat - him somehow by using Quicksilver's

power and then it like it kind of You know went

the other way on it was somehow, you know, he

magically his eyes roll over white and he just

thinks up something uses the ground I did like

that sequence. I actually I don't know. I know

the finale has some problems with it, but I overall

really enjoyed that sequence just in the way

it all kind of came together where you have you

know basically this team from Magneto to Beast

like they're all fighting this finally like stop

apocalypse And then it's I thought like it was

built up really well to where you do see You

know Xavier gets that line about you know I'm

not alone and then feet and then Phoenix comes

out like a rock star and like basically destroys

them Yeah, that might lead to some problems I

guess but it does it's basically your gigantic

power beats this other gigantic power That's

not really well defined, but it's harder and

harder. I think once you get more more powerful

characters To define it, but I don't know I was

I was excited and and that kind of got got me

to overall Walk out with a more positive feeling

the negative feeling I do agree like the horsemen

did seem to I mean I didn't have an issue the

way they killed angel because I thought like

it kind of makes sense though When you think

about don't try not to think about the timeline

with the X -Men franchise because it just hurts

your brain I thought Psylocke was relatively

pointless this entire movie, you know, you have

Olivia Munn who's not again like a huge actress

or anything maybe but it just seems like she

There was nothing to her character. She was in

a couple scenes Maybe kicked a few people and

that was about it and then she just kind of walks

it walks way angrily So I don't know what that's

supposed to mean So I was I was really disappointed

with how they used her or really didn't use her

at all. I I thought I thought Angel was equally

as pointless in this, to be honest. Agreed. Yeah.

I really don't understand why Apocalypse would

even choose him. Also agrees. Or why he was even

in the movie. Like, it didn't seem like they...

I don't even know if he had one line. Did he

even say one line? He had a couple. I think he

did. Yeah, he had a couple, especially in the

fight at the beginning. Like, come on, fight

me. You got to fight, make it good, or whatever.

But he was kind of even more invisible than Psylocke,

I thought. Like, I don't know. That was kind

of confusing to me why. I guess they didn't do

a good job of explaining why Apocalypse chose

some of his horsemen. Like, you know, I could

understand Storm because she's like the first

one he came in contact with. That makes a lot

of sense. You know, and he kind of. Almost takes

her like a surrogate daughter. Yes. She's the

first person that he meets and and she is really

powerful Yeah, and she yeah her power set is

Crap they replaced What's his name? With apocalypse

a very popular villain character. He goes up

against Xavier a lot He was in storms Shadow

King. Thank you Yeah, and like and I mean, I

could understand why he's going after Magneto,

you know, one of the most powerful mutants on

the planet. I would understand why he would want

him, but I don't know why he wanted Psylocke

and Angel, especially since they didn't even

utilize Psylocke's full range of powers. They

didn't use her telepathy at all. They just had

her using her psychic knife sort of thing and

her hand in combat skills so that was kind of

like i don't know it just seemed kind of like

a waste i don't know it's funny considering olivia

munn was supposed to was up for the role to star

in deadpool or co -star in deadpool and she turned

her down for this and i think maybe she could

have made the wrong choice there yeah i think

so yeah the the one had deadpool had a copycat

definitely had a better development the character

but olivia munn did look really great as silak

i think she she looks the part yeah I just wish

they would have like given her more to work with,

you know? Yeah, maybe hopefully in the next movie

that she'll come back and she'll have more to

do but yeah, unless she just was there and and

I also didn't Understand fully why all these

people were falling apocalypse like I think the

one of the best things about apocalypse and you

saw this and I have to keep referring to the

cartoon but why people would go to him and often

it was It was like he would trick them in a sense

of I remember at least and I don't know if this

was and the same thing in the in the comic but

you know angel goes to what he thinks is secure

himself but ends up being turned into archangel

and basically brainwashed and that was a thing

he would always brainwash people and I don't

necessarily know if that's what he did here like

maybe I got the sense that maybe was storm but

with the other ones it almost seems like they

just kind of joined him willingly and yeah I

didn't really get why like they would do that

because it's like Okay, I get magneto because

he's angry and everything but the other ones

it just seems like you're just okay with the

fact that you're just gonna have an entire plan

to the bash and not much more that seems a little

bit like I know like what would make you Think

like yeah, let's go with this guy. He's gonna

destroy the world. But you know, we'll be on

his side I Mean I get them trying to make angel

into a badass in the beginning by making him

apparently he killed the blob or beat up the

blob before yeah yeah which was a nice little

thing they showed but uh i i guess it's just

you're never gonna make paint angel seem like

a badass even if you give him a jerry curl and

uh and a leather jacket it still has to do with

wanks just let your soul glow yeah let your soul

glow good movie reference jack uh what so i know

we're skipping around here but what about we

talked about you know What's the common did you

guys stay for the final seat sequence the end

scene? What do you guys think of that? I once

again love people's Commentary on things that

they know nothing about I forget what the girl

was saying it was she was totally messing with

Nathaniel Essex Background and origins and stuff.

It was very strange. I forget what she said,

but I'm excited to see mr. Sinister I'm not sure

if they're gonna go with the name mr. Sinister

because it always sounded pretty hokey, but It's

like I think he might be a bad guy Yeah, I thought

I thought it was a lot more fun listening to

people try to explain what was happening than

the actual scene was Because like as soon as

you saw the thing that said Essex we we know

mr. Sinister because his name is Nathaniel Essex

but like this this one girl we were walking out

and she's telling people something about this

guy owns this business and his name is Essex

and she's like going on about stuff. And it was

just like way, I'm like, you're missing the point.

It's Mr. Sinister. That's all the point is. That's

all you have to realize. And then he also took,

I believe it was a vial of Wolverine's blood,

I believe, Logan's blood, which I think is kind

of interesting because I'm wondering if they're

going to be doing some cloning of Wolverine and

then we're going to have X -23 and then that

kind of replace Is Hugh Jackman because I think

he's only got like one or two movies left in

this contractor He said Wolverine 3 is gonna

be the last time he does Wolverine. So yeah Question

I had that to me is sort of like the elephant

in the room that nobody's acknowledging. It's

like they're they're coming back to They're they're

leading their path back to the point where the

first x -men movie was sort of In a way because

I mean something's got erased from Days of Future

Best, but so it's like they're coming in all

these new characters What is what are they gonna

do for Wolverine? Cuz Hugh Jackman is not gonna

be there. Are they just not gonna have a Wolverine?

Are they gonna have x23? Like Greg said, I don't

know how that works like it's you can't really

bring in a new Wolverine because you've you've

had him now in the original and The newer ones

with with the younger cast so it's you can't

really bring in another actor to play him So

it's it's kind of interesting. I don't know how

they're gonna do that. I Unfortunately, it's

gonna be a big loss to not have him in the X

-Men movies, but I guess there's there's not

much you can do about it Yeah, I heard Bryan

Singer some were talking about that's where they

made me want to go is have X -23 I mean does

become an issue of like how do you figure that

out considering? like again if you think about

these timelines it makes no sense because if

the next one's in the 90s and they're using the

same actors they're saying that like you know

those actors aged a lot in 10 years because if

it's 1990 and they're the same people from this

movie and they really well that was about 2000

so they still have kind of almost 20 years to

work with but yeah i'm saying if they're using

these same actors again for the next 90s movie

well yeah but that's the issue too like these

even from, you know, between First Class and

Days of Future Past and then between Days of

Future Past and this one, they're not aging at

all. Like the one guy actually did the math out

in the one article I was reading and he said

like, you know, Xavier and Magneto would be like

in their 50s right now, yet they still look like

they're like 32. Yeah, so like I don't you know,

they're not making them look any older or act

any older They're still kind of like young men

and it's it's not really making a lot of sense

Maybe maybe that's just like, you know, they

just got good hygiene, you know They do they

do have they do have McAvoy going bald and to

be fair Patrick Stewart look looks the same as

he did In the 90s as he as now as he did in the

90s. So maybe that's their their excuse But uh,

yeah, um michael fastbender looks nothing like

ian. Uh, uh, god, what is his name? mckellan

ian mckellan. Yeah, but you know, it's I guess

the power of fastbender maybe He's he gets a

really bad five six years, which makes him, you

know age a lot maybe Yeah That's even the problem

with the comics though considering it's like

if he was a holocaust, you know survivor at one

point It's you know, how is that possible? Cuz

he's gonna be like a hundred and thirty years

old He's got the white hair though at least so

that at least makes him look old except somehow

he's still Ridiculously ripped even though he's

like 80. Yeah, they've done some things to try

to DH him and they've tried to do it a lot I

mean, I guess but were there any other points

you guys wanted to bring up anything else that

came to mind? probably some little nitpicky stuff,

but how was Apocalypse able to have teleportation?

And he can just take his horsemen wherever in

the world that he wants to go. That was kind

of weird. I just felt like this really uber convenient

thing. It's like, oh, let's go get our last horsemen.

And they just teleport to Auschwitz with... I

guess the idea is that whatever one of the past

people that he was part of had that power, so

he's like, I don't know, trying to mimic in a

way. He can just take all these powers and use

them whenever, I guess. In reality, I thought

that was kind of a cool concept that he draws

on the powers of the people he... transferred

his consciousness into, but I thought it was

just on too extreme of a scale. It's like, well,

okay, if you got that power, then that guy must've

been pretty damn powerful too for you to be able

to do this crap. Like, you know, like why weren't

these people stopping you 5 ,000 years ago? Like,

yeah. Yeah. I think it's just, I don't know,

to be honest, like I, I do think they The minus

a few things, but I feel like they did as probably

best as you could with the apocalypse character

when it came to the movies. I don't know. Yeah,

it just it's a challenge. Like you said, it's

it doesn't translate as well to the movie as

it does in a comic, I guess. You can go, I think,

delve more into the history and you can bring

in the Celestials as part of it. And, you know,

it's right. I think you can get away with they're

trying to, you know, make them trying to fill

in holes where they can't. bring up other things

so it's it's I didn't have an issue with the

teleportation as much because I felt like at

least that was a power that was defined and I

can understand it but some of the other ones

just seem like if you can just make all these

people fall to the into the ground like when

he kills all the people in Magneto's factory

it's like yeah why not just do that all the time

exactly yeah that was pretty ridiculous I had

a question for you guys did you guys find it

interesting at all that we sort of got a um a

Cyclops origin little scene, but we really didn't

get any sort of origin thing for Gene at all.

And at the end of the movie, Gene sort of end

up being the more important character. So I just

thought it was kind of an odd choice that they

gave Cyclops the origin and Gene turned out to

be a little bit more important, but maybe it

was just giving them each a moment in the sun.

I'm not sure. What do you guys thoughts on that?

Yeah, it. That was a bit odd to me. Yeah. Maybe

it's that Scott Summers has a more tragic beginnings

and he becomes your surrogate into this world,

even though we've kind of been here before. And

he has some ties with Alex, though. Again, that

doesn't really make sense if you think about

it too much. But whatever. I'm fine. They're

trying to bring it in line to the comics a little

bit more. And I think and to maybe they were

trying to. Hold in the sense. We kind of already

got an origin with her in the third X -Men film,

although they're Exactly they're trying to act

like that one doesn't they're they're forgetting

but still keeping references to that movie and

Mixing it in like I thought it would have I thought

it would have made the final scene When she defeats

apocalypse a little bit more meaningful if they

had given her a little origin story where they

had like, you know, maybe her parents or something

like something happened when she was a small

child and someone said like there's something

very powerful inside you or something like that

just to sort of bring that out. I think it would

have highlighted that final scene a little bit

more maybe. Yeah, because if you've not told

her that there was something very powerful inside

her when she was Sophie Turner. Yeah, because

if you like you if you didn't see x -men 3 Like

that probably makes no sense whatsoever. You're

like, why is this person? I guess like they've

kind of hint to it where you know, it's that

the one night and she's like everything shaking

because of her but Yeah, but then again if you

see x -men 3 a lot of this doesn't make sense

like angel and stuff like that So it's it's just

this conundrum of like Greg mentioned They're

trying to reference it but then trying not to

at the same time So I do agree, but if they built

that up or at least established it more it would

have made that finale even more effective How

about like Looking ahead. Are you guys looking?

forward to any characters in particular that

they might include the next movie. Like introducing

new ones. Sinister in X -23. Okay. Oh, man. Jubilee.

Any more Jubilee in my life? Apparently she was

supposed to be in this one, but they cut out

her part, which I could see, because it would

maybe be challenging to have her in this movie.

So she had an identical role to what she did

in X -2. She was shown in a couple of classroom

scenes carrying her books. Exactly, exactly though.

She she uh, I guess was more prominently dressed

like Jubilee. Um, I don't know what more maybe

I I wonder because they're talking about the

gambit movie would they somehow incorporate gambit?

Maybe I don't know I x -23 in sinister would

be great. I I still kind of wonder if they're

gonna do cable, but I guess they would do that

when the Deadpool movie More so than this. So

I guess that Has me questioning. I don't know

that I can't think of any other characters that

would be Interested in seeing maybe if they may

well maybe if they're bringing sinister in the

savage land I would maybe like to see them incorporate

that I think that can be kind of cool and having

that's been finding dinosaurs because that's

always fun. So yes, so run. Yeah I don't know

if you had any Greg or Chuck I think I'm looking

to sort of try to round out the team a little

more so like I I would love to see them bring

rogue in I'd like to see him bring Iceman in

would you want him to bring the same people the

same actors back or I? Don't think necessarily

the same actors because you're you know you're

starting over with Scott and Jean and storm and

Nate crawler So I think you'd bring the new versions

of those as well, but it also love love love

to see a version of Colossus in the next one

because I think that would be a great tie -in

point to the Deadpool movie. You know, make sort

of make him look the same way he did in the Deadpool

movie only like younger somehow. You know or

maybe a little bit smaller or something to make

it emphasize that he was a lot younger or something

So I would absolutely love to have him in and

as you guys know class is one of my favorites

anyway And have a minute and not getting his

butt kicked is what you're saying, right? I haven't

kicked some serious ass like just have him like

just owning people. I think that would be really

cool to have him in there and then I think like

Eventually, like you mentioned about cable I'm

thinking, you know I'm thinking they're planning

like a few more movies. So if they're going to

do this next one, the nineties, and then they

catch up with another one in the two thousands

to me, I'm thinking they're going to try to sort

of tie in with cable in the Deadpool little universe

there. So maybe they do some sort of storyline

with Scott and Jean. Maybe they just kind of

tie that a little bit, say, you know, Proved

that cable is their son from the future or something

like that without getting too crazy with the

whole, you know That was so ridiculous But you

know, maybe find a way to simplify it and really

kind of boil it down so that it's effective.

That would be pretty cool Yeah, would you guys

want to see brian singer continue? Or do you

think at this point the fact that he's made what

one two? Four x -men movies that maybe it's time

to bring in a new director I think five he's

done, right? X -Men 1, X -Men 2, Days of Future

Past, and now X -Men Apocalypse. Oh, he didn't

do First Class? No, that was Matthew Vaughn.

Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know why

I was thinking he did that. I guess, uh, well,

I guess with learning that, I guess I wouldn't

be too afraid of somebody else taking over, but

like previously, I was kind of scared because

the only time someone else took over, it was

Brett Ratner, and he absolutely butchered. Yeah,

X -Men 3 so I was a little scared about anybody

else taking over but I think if it's someone

that's like a big fan of the X -Men and really

understands what they're about at their core,

I think they would do a good job. So Yeah, Greg,

I don't know. Nobody really comes to mind. I

mean, you know directors than I do but Zack Snyder.

No, so Oh God Yeah, I don't know who I can't

nothing really comes to my mind But uh, I mean

I want to be against him coming back in like

I'd still I know there's like since x -men apocalypse

has not been successful as successful and it's

been You know, maybe more average than than people

would like that now this I've seen a lot of people

online basically saying the extra movies have

never been good Which I think is kind of garbage.

I think minus x -men 3 they've all been relatively

solid. But uh But yeah, so I mean I wouldn't

mind it a new person coming in but again I I

wouldn't be against them just kind of revamping

us and starting over with the next one it gets

in the 90s They kind of are but like I you know

again, they don't need to bring a mistake in

I think if Jennifer Lawrence ever does it another

extra movie would be completely okay with that

so But Chuck should mention the one part at the

beginning where she first shows up Should mention

it. Yeah, you should mention it Well, they do

that when they do the sweep from the ground up

and she's in that dress with the yes I made a

very very loud utterance Oh, yeah Greg was a

little you know sort of thinking out loud in

that scene He kind of made like this noise and

then he was like, oh crap. That was really loud

Think I cursed a little bit in there. I think

there was a shitter I guess I finished up you

guys maybe want to we did it with days of future

past because I went back to listen to me We could

do it now if you were going to rank the X -Men

films, what would your ranking be? Damn it. I

knew he was gonna do this. Yeah, I can I can

start if you would like I can give you my ranking

so I could go backwards Yeah, I mean I guess

I wonder backwards so for me I would I would

rank I still think it's my first class is the

best and then it gets kind of Complicated after

that. I'm these are future past next to a very

close to one another for me But I think ultimately

I would go these future past x -men to x -men

the first one X -Men Apocalypse and X -Men X

-Men 3. And if I was throwing the Wolverine movies

in there, I would probably put Wolverine ahead

of X -Men, the second one, the Wolverine, and

then the Wolverine Origins as the worst out of

them all. So I don't know, Chuck, if anything,

if you have an order in mind. Definitely, for

me, days of future past as far and above all

of them. I thoroughly enjoyed that. Everything

about it. Not just because I love sentinels,

but... Did you like the little homage to sentinels

at the end of this one? I loved it in the danger

room scene. That was awesome. That was another

thing I really enjoyed about it. Just that little

thing thrown in there. you know, having the danger

room and then acknowledging the sentinels. I'm

like, oh, please have more sentinels in the next

movie. It'd be so awesome. And they I like to

have like all their little costumes that a little

more color to them. So I don't know if that was

a sign of things to come. So I know people are

talking about that. Yeah, they did. Yeah. So

I would definitely I mean, to be honest, like

of all comic book movies, Days of Future Past

is probably up there in my top three or four.

Absolutely, love it like along with like Civil

War and Avengers and stuff like that. So that

one I would have first I think second I think

I'd have to put x2 Second, I really did enjoy

that one. I enjoyed that Version of Nightcrawler

and I thought they did a lot of cool things in

that movie with striker and that whole story

So, let's see third one. I'd have to go first

class next And then probably the original...

Nah, I'd go Apocalypse 4th. Then the first X

-Men movie and then X -3, the last stand, would

be last. Like you said, the Wolverine ones, I

would definitely have... X1 Origins Wolverine

at the bottom of the pile. That one's terrible.

There's so many bad things wrong with that, but

it's very close with X3. I had a lot of issues

with that too, but the Wolverine I thought was

very good, but I still think I would put that

below Apocalypse. I enjoyed Apocalypse a little

bit more than that. Greg, what about you? To

make it confusing for everyone I'm gonna go in

reverse order last is definitely x3 then I'm

going to go with Wolverine origins if we're adding

Wolverine movies in there then Probably x2 I'm

gonna go with this movie X -Men apocalypse Then

I'm gonna go with The Wolverine, I'm trying to

remember all the movies I'm missing here now.

You're missing X -Men the first one you're missing

Days of Future Past and First Class. Okay, then

I'll go X -Men the first one, Past, and then

I'll go First Class. Is my top one. There you

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