Remote Control – EP 39 – Counterpart S1 E7 and E8

Hi Howard. Ladies and gentlemen, you were listening

to Remote Control episode 39 where DJ Valentine

and I, TFG, and Mike talk about season one episodes

seven and eight of Counterpart from Stars. This

is the sincerest form of flattery and love the

lie. Tune in. People tend to do desperate things

when they learn about their other versions. Are

you coming or not? Hello and welcome to episode

39 of Remote Control. I am of course TFJ and

Mike. Joining me is my counterpart DJ Valentine

from Simplistic Reviews. Hello, sir. If you take

the blue pill, you wake up in Neverland. If you

take the red pill, the dream continues. If you

take the white pill, you die. Yeah. Pretty much.

That white rabbit has run out of time. He is

so late. So we kind of took a couple of weeks

off because I moved again. Not necessarily a

bad thing. My wife and I purchased a house in

a suburb of Chicago, Illinois. It's quite frankly

the best house anyone could ever have. Thankfully

we have it. Just like about five times a day

we'll say I love this house. it doesn't matter

what room we could be in the bathroom hanging

upside down from the shower or something not

that we do that we're not spider -man but like

seriously this house is amazing my office is

still getting set up because i'm still waiting

for the furniture that i've had for the last

you know ten or twelve years or so to get here

from kentucky but the office is kind of set up

i have a battle armor he man in a battle armor

skeletor funko pop figures that i just got sitting

on my new bookcase and all that so it's kinda

set up i get the microphone and all that and

everything else so yeah we're here to talk about

counterpart and we have been doing single episodes

per podcast well we're gonna give you a double

shot this week and then two weeks after this

week because yeah uh... episode thirty nine will

be uh... season one episodes seven and eight

uh... and then that's a forty will be our special

episode that we talk about the broadcast networks

of more information on that later and it was

a forty one will be the the finale for for for

a counterpart what this is nine and ten what's

what's that what the hell have you been up to

do uh... stuff stuff uh... it's got dogs don't

even decide that you sound like her but my wife

all the way the thing get get that the social

point and so we like get the thing i'm like you

understand i am legally blind right which thing

are you pointing to very likely to be a yeah

you have a galley since she is uh... yeah uh...

the thing with the guy with the guy of the stuff

in the day exactly it's it's it's like it's like

good fellows all over again uh... Yeah, so we're

here to talk about counterpart season one episode

seven and eight episode seven the sincerest form

of flattery oh boy You should not ever Forget

her name at this point because this whole episode

is all about Claire By the end, I think it might

be my favorite episode of the series so far.

The nature of her training and all the stuff

about taking over her counterparts life. It was

so interesting, like some Manchurian candidate

type stuff times a million. The brief cat and

mouse between Peter and Claire reminded me of

like this old episode of Alias when I think it

was Bradley Cooper's wife turned out to be a

spy. I can't remember. I'm pretty sure. uh...

father and the government called all bradley

cooper was was a will which was her friend that

was was very cool girl and she thought that it's

by and if we're going to like father that she

will put three years later uh... that was francine

francine ended up for ice alias so boy that's

a whole bag of worms we don't want to open right

now we will eventually here on remote control

talk about alias but iraq it reminded me of that

yeah I didn't know anything about my wife kind

of thing. At the end, I was left wondering, who

is Claire loyal to? Her pill has expired, as

I was referencing before. And then I found out

she only cares about the kids. So she isn't as

evil as she could have been portrayed. No bad

guy in this show is given a cliched easy way

out in terms of their character. They all have

layers. I was like, that episode was so good.

The broken leg thing. I'm like, what? What are

you doing? And then I realized, oh. Oh no, because

they hit at it when he goes, I don't even need,

the little kid goes, I don't even need braces.

I'm like, all right. And then when they, they,

they, they don't, they don't really tell you

what the hell that means. And then when they

bring in young Claire, uh, and they're like,

Oh, or whatever, and we're going to break your

legs. I'm just like, what? Oh no, this is really

the dedication to to duplicate these people's

lives oh my god for children holy crap it's just

such a great episode i really really like it

yeah it reminded me of um oh the americans that's

what it reminds me of because americans americans

is brutal no it is but it this kid the kid thing

this when they took her into that room i just

the cringing is like oh no Please tell me they're

not gonna really do this. Somebody's gonna interrupt

this. Nope Nobody's gonna interrupt this. She's

gonna be both of her legs broken You're gonna

deal with it. You're gonna have to suck it in

and enjoy it Like I thought they were doing that

not necessarily to match her other but to somehow

make them different even though they want them

to be the same I don't know like I wasn't sure

where they were going with that like it hadn't

been like if they had said oh even though you

had a Richard Schiff says at the party yeah and

he goes oh my little girl she had a little skiing

accident I was like oh yeah that's why that's

exactly that's that's what I thought it like

when when Claire had mentioned you know yes that's

my mother yes that's my father but i've never

been skiing before in my life like i figured

that's why they like something must have happened

on before he even said that right like i figured

oh something must have happened on the skiing

trip that's why but like i get it you can break

your legs and then and then heal from them i

mean unless you know the mob puts you in cement

shoes but right you know i get that but like

i was half expecting Like, look how different

Naughty is. Doubles are between Baldwin and not

her her double Nadia She's just an assassin I

know yeah, but I'm saying look how different

they were and I understand Claire has to be the

same But like I thought that they were both going

to eventually end up in wheelchairs or something

at some point obviously they were they would

have to have been at some point both of them,

but like Don't know when it was revealed that

Claire was the the the wife I'm like, oh, she's

sitting in the chair with the baby. Is that?

Like it work like they'd ever knew the the infiltrator

school they never know when they're going to

send the infiltrators over Yeah, so they gotta

keep them always up to date with whoever they're

duplicating doesn't seem like they're planning

to send Claire in uh later in her life they just

didn't know when because if they were playing

the saint claire and later in life they would

have they could have waited to break her legs

it didn't you know whatever but it seemed like

because they they did they when the whole, um,

they, I think they mentioned it, that the teacher

says something like, uh, are we going in now?

Cause they never know. Yeah. That's the fact

that they got to get the always going to keep

up to date as man, this is really cool, interesting

and diabolically evil shit. It's like, Oh my

God. Because the aspect of the children is what

made it so like if there were just grownups and

you know, they were doing this stuff, it's like,

like a college or some kind of ROTC situation,

but the fact it's like an elementary school.

And God knows they probably had them longer go

longer before that Yeah, and again. That's why

I equate it to the Americans because of How I've

only seen up to the third season of the show?

Said that that show is ending. I love that show

Or it already has ended. I don't remember But

like I remember, you know seeing the training

that they went through or seeing the training

that they were gonna eventually put Paige and

Henry through or whatever like That's why I said

it reminds me of that. But yeah, like finally

getting insight into Claire is just amazing and

her whole Just like that. She becomes like the

most interesting character Exactly. Well, I'm

like because I'm like, okay I just want I just

want Howard and maybe some Baldwin you can throw

in a little What's her name? What's his name?

Maybe the wife maybe but now I'm like, okay,

where's Claire? I need I need to know what the

hell's Claire doing. Yeah Exactly. Oh But that's

essentially what this episode is. It's all about

Claire. Yeah At that moment at the end I got

a little choked up like I'm not afraid to admit

like when she's like I never had anything on

my own and she named it after the infiltrator

kid that she met and We don't know where the

hell that kid is. I guess he's dead. We don't

know what happened to that kid or they might

have they might have that teacher might have

just killed him because he was one not as important

as Claire was going to be because Claire is like

duplicate of Richard shifts daughter who's like

higher up. She might have just killed. I forget

the name. Spencer. She might have just killed

that kid because he was distracting from what

she had to do, or he was sent him to infiltrate,

which it doesn't seem like she has the power

to do that. So my bet is that she gave him a

little pill. That kid is ghost -faced. Gone.

Yep. Yeah, that's just... Very very crazy. Um,

not a lot of JK in this one, but it's okay I'm

telling you I was right there in the beginning.

I'm like band at first off. I'm like, I know

Mike's gonna be pissed Ain't no Howard in here

Ain't no Howard in here, but near the end I was

like this was a really well, you know in terms

of Shows and I guess another reference one of

the show Though it's not even about the revolt.

It kind of reminded me reflecting back on it

the episode of the constant on lost We're really

not about that show Necessarily not about the

major over arcing storyline, but it might be

my favorite episode of that show where this one

says about this one Encompassed story explaining

who the hell Claire is and at the end I was kind

of like when she's holding the baby. It's like

I never had anything. I'm almost like Oh, man,

that's really good. That's really good. Now I

completely understand what she has been doing

this whole time. And now you don't know you like,

you know more about her, but you still don't

know where she's going to fall. I know the kid

is her main goal is that she wants to she abandoned.

She's kind of playing both sides because she

abandoned the pill thing because of the baby.

And but she's still kind of trying to complete

the mission. Guess maybe In order to keep the

baby safe. It's like she's just way more interesting

that before she's just some girl who just does

whatever she has to do to get the job done, but

now she's Now you see the motivation that because

she's a mother. Yeah, that's all that she cares

about Yeah, and you know She doesn't necessarily

have to you know have a whole meth Empire to

do so no sorry You know uh... uh... uh... uh...

uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... uh...

uh... uh... uh... uh... uh... Who's the spy?

Who's the leaker? Well, yeah, who's the spy?

Who's the leaker? And the end of episode six

is, you know, her in the chair. And, oh, his

wife is Claire. His, his, you know, so I understand

why they used episode seven for the cli - because

you can't just leave that there and then have

episode seven open with - Yeah, exactly, you

can't just leave that there at the end of episode

six and have episode seven open up with Howard,

um, pontificating about something or other. Not

that - Either one of them really pontificates,

but you know what I mean, so I'm glad that episode

7 was what it is and it Amazing storytelling

the acting and it was great Not too much action,

but it's okay because it's a story building episode

and that's the point of it I did very very much

enjoy it And now folks I think we're gonna Go

to Eminem and Rihanna for a second Cuz you know

Gotta love the lie. So love the way you lie.

Hello first when I saw the title of the damn

episode I'm like, what is that? I've seen that

before This episode I this episode I like to

call Mike is happy in the last ten minutes Because

the last minutes of the next episode is just

Howard overload for ten minutes. It's like a

ten minute scene of Howard on Howard action Okay,

um, I love it, but I don't love it that much

I don't Wow, dude, come on I know I have The

way yeah, yeah, but the way that you phrased

it is just kind of creepy Like to call Mike is

satisfied because he got what he want exactly

there you go Go bugger house me four box seats

next time, not two. Get him the message. I've

been looking into the embassy's network on this

side. Went to a compound outside of Potsdam.

It was a school. Not formally funded by your

office, but... We believe they were training

sleepers. Sleeper agents, operatives. Three names.

Oscar Wolf, Helen Merler... And Rashad Romani.

They're all on that side now on false visas.

So we thought you should know. We? Yeah, maybe

you thought it would be someone else sitting

here. Maybe your ex -wife. When you told me died

of cancer. I don't even know where to start.

She's alive, you're divorced, a daughter. Yeah,

people tend to do desperate things when they

learn about their other versions. So you were

doing me a favor? We really shouldn't be here.

Thanks for the intel. I'll look into it. Is there

just any truth to you? After all I've seen of

your life, the things you've done, is there a

shred of honesty in you? How are you, Howard?

Believe me, I'm looking. Not long ago, I sent

you over there like a doe in the woods. Now you're

a spy hunter, bringing me actionable intelligence.

What's your point? Think you owe me some gratitude.

For what? For waking you the fuck up. What the

hell were you before me? Pathetic little... Meek,

sad -sack, loyal hubby, with your flowers on

the nightstand and your fucking poetry. Now look

at you. Now there's something breathing behind

those eyes. You're enjoying yourself with my

family? They hate you. Yeah, that sounds about

right. Although, less and less lately, it really

hasn't taken that much to steer your life out

of a skid. A little kindness? A little attention?

You'd be amazed the difference it makes. Restoring

some good to the ashes of your life. Where's

my gratitude? You love this, don't you? Running

around poking your nose into all the little details

of my life. Every fiber of my being. We've been

helping you. We. Again. You have feelings for

her, Howard? What? Come on, it's right there

in front of you. A second chance, right? Or at

least an opportunity to, you know, compare and

contrast. She is not my wife. You don't want

to move back into your old apartment, cohabitate,

maybe break bread with the daughter you never

knew? That's not my life. That's yours. It's

not mine. Yeah, speaking of your life, we've

been sitting here for a while and... You haven't

even asked about Sleeping Beauty over here. Her

condition is unchanged, by the way. Not sure

I could say the same about you. Or even myself,

Jesus fucking Christ. This is killing me, being

stuck in your life. Every time I look in the

mirror now, I see more and more of you looking

back. All the worst parts. The weakest, saddest

parts of me are just taking hold. I don't blame

you for not missing it over here. It's better

over there. I do miss it. I miss her. You don't

even know who the fuck she is. Jesus, you're

so fucking blind. Sorry about your, uh, go partner,

by the way. I don't think you'll be around anymore.

Andre? Yeah. I don't know how the fuck you managed

to miss all of that. He meets you in the hospital.

His sister is admitted the same day. What a coincidence.

Huh. Of course, you never even met her. But he

needed to know, how's your wife doing, Howard?

How is she? What are you talking about? What

the fuck do you think? They were fucking! Jesus

Christ! How do you not see that? How much denial

do you have to be in to continue to idealize

her the way you do? I know my wife. What? I'm

sorry. I don't think I caught that. She's a spy,

Howard. She's a fucking fraud, just like my wife.

She's a survivor who will do anything and anyone

to get what she wants. Okay, enough. You think

your life is so much better than mine, your little

paltry existence? Bullshit bits and pieces of

phrases from a fucking hallmark card. You willingly

let her deceive you I know you go tiptoeing along

Jesus fucking Christ. No wonder life hits you

like a wrecking ball The late nights, the cover

stories. You think a man doesn't question things?

I knew everything about her. Not the job details,

but about the lies. I knew about Andre, sure.

Because he wasn't the first. She's human. She

made mistakes. We worked through them. As something

you wouldn't understand. Caring enough to work

on your marriage. I love her. For everything

she is. and for everything she isn't. And in

the end, that capacity for love, the ability

to love someone unselfishly, is the only thing

that will separate me from you. Stay the fuck

away from my life. It's not yours. It's a fucking

vacation rental. And sooner or later, I'll be

back. And you'll come back here. And nothing

will have changed. I guess we have nothing left

to say. And just to clarify, because people would

have already heard the clip, nine minutes, nine

seconds of Howard on Howard action. I wasn't

even expecting that, I just figured it would

be... Emily prime and Howard prime going back

and forth, but I'm glad it wasn't I'm glad it

was the two Howard's and and Showing the differences

between them and like you said like you've been

saying Howard alpha kind of likes living in Howard

primes world like you know cuz he obviously he

and his Emily didn't have the kid and this that

the other thing and And then to finally see he

calls him on it. He calls him on it. Like yeah,

look at you. Well, you're you're awake, you know,

he's calling him I like you before you were this

this sad sack and now you're you're yelling at

me and you're you're you're you know, and now

we and we find out that big revelation that he

Knew the entire time or did he think you think

he's covering? in front of Bad Howard, do you

think he's just like yeah, I know I don't think

so because remember this is all oh we need to

get into an interface room we need to do this

we need to make sure the cameras aren't on so

no one records it so no one sees it because the

two Howard's meeting is like the end of the world

here so I assume that it is all Howard alphas

thing like Like he says how does a man not know

okay? Like I know there are plenty of men who

are dumbstruck by certain things or women Sometimes

not necessarily, but you know what I mean like

We've seen Howard alpha be so Lazy fair maybe

or or just just like So streamlined so this so

that so rigid and to see him finally break out

of that shell and see the actually has emotions

and just doesn't go with what the hell everyone

else always says even though most of the time

he does but at least here he doesn't so i would

assume like what i understand is why he kept

using andres the gold partner like uh... that's

the whole thing i don't get like he knew that

was in life is no i think you want to know What

his wife saw if it is true, which I mean, it's

probably likely true what his wife saw in this

guy Yeah, why did she go? Why did she cheat on

me with this guy? That's one way to do it and

you strike up a friendship with him, right? But

like him I think the Howard that we're used to

Howard and we're calling them Howard prime, right?

Good Howard. No good Howard is Howard alpha Howard

over Howard alpha has has been selfless from

the beginning. And in this room, we realize that

Howard Alpha is is now learning to be a little

selfish, not selfish in a bad way. Just like,

you know, take something for yourself. You know

exactly. Yeah. And I think that Howard or Howard

Prime, he's one. He's been telling him to do

this forever, like wake up and, you know, do

something. Stop being a sorry piece of crap.

But I think he might be a little like, oh, man,

I mean, created a monster here. Yeah. Maybe I

got to deal with the situation, but I worry about

it later. But I think because that look he's

given him when Howard Alpha is kind of like yelling

at him is kind of like, OK, all right. All the

time you popped out of your shell. But it seemed

like it was almost like, OK, you popped out of

your shell, but go back in now. Bye bye. Yeah,

I might have to deal with you. Yeah. Yeah, it

was that's a it's a great scene. That's that's

that's the that's the if you're gonna get an

Emmy nomination That's the Emmy clip they play

that's the one you play even though it's kind

of spoils the show But you get that's the clip

you play with him yelling at him yelling at himself

and it's literally two different people Doing

you watching this show and you want to get we

talked about this many times JK Simmons is so

damn good Where I there's moments where I forget.

Oh wait, there are you know? One JK Simmons in

this show is not two different people. He's having

a conversation and there's no time where I'm

looking at Howard Alpha and I'm like, oh, yeah,

that's kind of like Howard Prime. No, he gets

mad in a different way than Howard. Prime gets

mad, right? That's the way he does that nuance

performance It's so good and it's probably gonna

get overlooked But man if somebody with some

eyeballs puts it on this show and you see what

JK Simmons is doing where I can make a completely

different version of myself And you can tell

and you you'll be able to tell the difference

By the nuances that by the highs and lows by

not the fact that I'm killing people But the

fact that when I get pissed off I smirk at you

instead of I drop my eyes and stuff like that

It's so so so good. But yeah That seems great.

I wish I hadn't read that. But anyway, sadly

I read ahead to episode 9. Well, I've read I've

watched a little bit of episode then I'm about

to Yeah, I haven't watched it yet because I'm

probably just gonna wait until we record next

and and watch them both back -to -back since

they're I Know I know trust me. I know but But

yeah love the lie Again simply amazing episode

these just these writers these creators these

actors and not just well just JK Simmons but

not just him but all of these actors that like

you know it yeah she's great you know most people

say oh it took Star Trek the Next Generation

until season three or season four to actually

find itself yeah like I don't Haven't we've talked

about this before I haven't looked into whether

or not stars is gonna pick this up for a second

season or whatever if they are great but like

these these 10 episode these 13 episode first

season things you just never know and Having

to hit especially with a premium channel series

likes like a stars or an HBO You have to hit

the nail on the head by at least the seventh

or the eighth episode of whatever it is and damn

if they haven't done that like they've been hitting

it on the head since episode one, but like it's

really sunk in now. Oh god. I didn't even think

I didn't even consider stars not picking this

up. Why does come out on Netflix because they

don't care. They'll leave your show on the air

for like 30 years. They don't give a crap. They

don't have to worry about anything. But when

you said, oh man, maybe they won't renew it.

No, I want it. I want to know more. Don't cut

me off. Howie you couldn't wrap this up and you

said it's 13 episodes this season, right? It's

what most of this is 10 episodes They have to

renew this show they can't leave on a cliffhanger.

They can't leave me on the side of a cliff waiting

to figure out what the hell the denouement of

this whole... We don't even know how the earth

split yet. We haven't explained all this stuff.

Come on, man. You can't end it. Oh, and that

thing of, like, oh, 10 years ago when the earth

split, like, wait. Oh, right. That's in the past.

Duh. It's like 1990s. Like, ooh, so, yeah, wow.

I want a whole episode dedicated to how the earth

split. Yeah, exactly. You're the grass Tyson

on here. Explain this. I need to know what's

going on with this earth splitting thing. It's

sorry, it's uh, I'll have to From Collider, okay

in February 2018 stars announced the production

had begun in Berlin on the second season with

Betty Gabriel joining the cast is Naya temple

a former FBI agent so we are at least getting

a second season Please, the whole second season.

I need to know how the earth split. Get some

scientists out there. I need to know. Exactly.

So, I know we've talked about this before. Sometimes

we care, and sometimes we don't care about spoilers.

Like I said, I read a little bit ahead, but we've

kind of already known that Baldwin has three

targets that she has to kill. Remember? Yes,

I remember. Okay. We've already seen three infiltrators

come over remember them I do Put two and two

together That's all that's all I'm gonna say

I'm not even gonna say I'm not even gonna say

what I read for episode nine Hey, she needs one

to match the other side then she could really

be the Joker's daughter But no, she just started

to kind of grow on me I like her so yeah, but

But essentially, yes, the three that we saw come

over are the doppelgangers of her targets. Oh,

man. Are the infiltrators of her targets. So

the whole coffee shop girl thing is the holes

aside. It's like her, it's, God, it's like her

lioness blanket. That's her selfless moment where

she's like, OK, well, I'm kind of just hanging

out here. Why don't I pick up what I would have

for myself? Yeah. And how about I break into

her house? And, uh, break into her house and,

uh, you know, just hang out. Yeah, exactly. Oh

my God. No, you didn't. Oh God. Oh man. Um, but

yeah, learning about the whole school thing and

all of that. We skipped it. We skip right to

Howard. I'm sorry. I don't talk about how brutal

this school is. The last time they broke a little

kid's legs. The next episode in the beginning,

like the first 10 minutes. Hey, kids, go with

me. She says we're going to go on a little trip.

I'm like, you're not going on a little trip.

You're dead. But I didn't know how mass grave

it was going to be when it is all put them in

a room. And I was like, no, this is all the kitchen.

I don't know. Yeah, it was a basement, but I

could have sworn it was like some sort of a kitchen

or something or other I don't know and the fact

that it's Howard alpha that like good Howard

that fine and he's like down here and I'm like,

oh Life has been altered by the loss of a child

and now right a mass grave of children It's like

all my traumatized times 20 And for all they

did to build the school, the quickness, they

went about destroying everything. This shows

how whatever the hell these people are planning,

it is for keeps. There's not going to be no little

thing. This seems like it's an end of world scenario

that they're doing right now. Though that chick

who's in charge, the teacher lady, is a coward

who runs, which is like, I'm out of here. Yeah.

Thought she was gonna kill the guy who discovers

her by the way I thought she was gonna pull it

reach into the car and pull a gun and shoot him

But yeah, I guess she needed that guy. I still

wouldn't put it past her for her If I'm that

guy, I'm like, well, she just betrayed like a

member of the staff eventually Yeah, I don't

know what's going on with that teacher lady and

I like you said earlier we need to know about

this whole world copying itself thing like Cuz

didn't Howard didn't Howard Prime say at some

point? Oh, that's that's above my pay grade or

something somebody else higher -up knows about

that Lake That's what I want to get to I want

to get to the higher -ups I want to get to the

Richard shifts of the show and find out what

the hell and why the hell the world I guarantee

you pope knows of course probably That's that's

very true and the opposite side of the phone

call of the dry cleaners I'm like Oh, okay, that's

why that happened. Right, right, right. The little

code speak that they do here. So I'm gonna start

making phone calls in this randomly saying things

to my friends. Look, I need the quiche and I

need it cold. Oh, dude. You know what you do?

You know what you do? You do it in Damien's voice

you don't know when Davey and people get freaked

the fuck out call everybody up his own Davey

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he has to be 20 steps ahead

of everybody anyways. He's the richest ship of

that world. Yeah. way too much. Even though I

think he might know more to Richard Schiff, Schiff

is starting to seem like he's not as big as a

player than I thought he was gonna be. No, he

doesn't. I mean, Aldridge at this point seems

like he's a bigger player than... Right. Wow.

And then the fact that Peter basically kept Claire

hostage the whole time after for like... Oh,

okay, so that's one problem I had with the late...

i'm going to take points off the off the love

the lie episode but like the one issue i have

with peter in this episode david howard needs

violence okay that too but the major issue i

have and i i'm not a father i whatever but like

I've held babies before, I've fed babies before

kind of a thing. Like, I'm sorry, you don't hold

a child in one arm and then halfway backwards

behind your head try to give the child a bottle.

Like, what the hell? I'm gonna have to screen

cap that and put that in the post to show people,

like, this is not how you feed a baby. Like...

It's a symbolic image of how he's not fit to

be a father. Exactly! Maybe this marriage shouldn't

have happened. Maybe she shouldn't have. She

is the one that cares for the child more because

he seemed like he don't give a shit about that

No, he likes even before he found out that she

was the spy And like I get it the whole thing

of them Kind of hiding in the beginning who his

white like he did the first like four or five

episodes He mentions all my wife and child and

this but we never actually see her obviously

until at the end of episode six I know the end

of episodes return the Jedi Claire yikes uh...

you know uh... you have it sister and i'm like

okay so your wife and child do you have it like

i mean i've been making jokes on facebook about

how basically and i know i shouldn't do this

because it's a very serious issue you know i

haven't well thankfully I'm not, I was never

in the situation, but I know of others who were.

Like I've been making jokes on Facebook lately

with the news of Toys R Us going bankrupt. Oh,

Jeffrey turned into a deadbeat dad. He basically,

you know, Jeffrey the giraffe from Toys R Us

is the deadbeat dad of April the giraffe's babies.

Right. Yeah, exactly. he can play for the deals

with it but i think that you'd like to take a

like a uh... spare car like oh yeah i think you

know he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't think it

was really good he doesn't treat that baby like

a spare car he treats that baby like a used up

hole in the wall tire like not even a good spare

tire like you're not like your last spare tire

that you could absolutely use before you're on

rims like you know what's funny about him from

the beginning he's been sniveling and there was

a point where I was like maybe he's gonna like

show me something else but he's just a sniveling

piece of crap and like he's one of those characters

where you just know he's gonna live forever because

he deserves to catch a bullet and he's going

to make it forever because at the end of this

episode he kind of like throws Howard under the

bus kind of and I'm like man this guy I every

time I want to like you just make me hate you

I was kind of rude for you like I thought he

was playing along he's listening to what Howard

Silk is telling him no he's just a piece of crap

I'm really hoping And I know this probably won't

happen, but I'm hoping either Howard Prime or

Howard Alpha or one of the Howards basically

just takes him out. He's going to live forever.

He's going to be the head guy in charge of whatever

corporation, the secret corporation they work

for. I guarantee it. That's because we wanted

that. He's Joffrey, though Joffrey did die. He's

kind of Joffrey, but he's not that sadistic.

He's just like a sniveling little, I don't know.

I'm trying to think of somebody just as he's

he's kind of like, what's his name? Shane Vendrell

from The Shield. Shane Vendrell from The Shield.

He's he every time you want to go, maybe Shane's

turning the new. No, no, he's still a piece of

crap. You just can't like him. Damn it. Yeah.

Yeah, it's just crazy like. There was like half

of a moment where I kind of felt sympathetic

for Shane on the shield and then he had to go

and put the grenade in the car and I'm like,

no! You made it up to me, man. You're cool with

me. You are cool with me. I forgot Timothy Oliphant

is on this series, too. The Oliphant should be

playing Riggs. I told you that long time ago.

Oh, come on. You leave. You leave Crawford alone.

Oh, it's that long time ago. You know it. I know

it. The whole world knows it. Oh, God. We have

got to do Lethal Weapon at some point. Oh my

god. Let's do a better show. Justify. Lethal

Weapon is not that bad. It's not the worst thing

Fox has ever put out. It's not the best, but

it's not - Of course not. Of course not. Have

you heard of that 80's show? Yes, sadly I have.

Thankfully I've never seen it. Oh god, we are

way off topic. count apart season one episode

seven eight the sincerest war flattery and love

the lie absolutely love these episodes episode

seven i'll probably give four -and -a -half out

of five or ten? what are you doing? out of five,

yeah i'm about to fight you because this is my

favorite episode of the series so far five? no

it's probably because it's just a small it's

almost like a movie unto itself it's such a What

in terms of a backstory episode, it's really

really really really good. Oh, absolutely. Yeah

Love the lie Even with that ending even with

your nine minutes The beginning with the school

in that in the the cleaning house thing that

that was crazy insanity. It kind of slows down

after that, but then it picks up at that ending.

So yeah, I give it a four. Yeah, absolutely.

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remote control. This is your mother? Is this

her? Yes. And is this your father? I'm sorry

I have to ask. Do you know how to sign your name,

Claire? Or your initials? Right here. Listen

up, everyone. We have a new addition to our family

today. She's a very brave little girl, just like

every one of you. And I'm sure you all remember

your first day here, so I expect you to extend

her the same kindness you wish on. Take a seat

over there. Now I would like for you to open

your books to page 12. Spencer, please read the

first sentence of number one. How come you're

not outside with the others? I wanna go home.

I'm afraid that's not possible. I miss my mum

and dad. I wish I could tell you they're coming

back. But you're old enough now to understand

death. It's finality. The world is not a nice

place, Claire. You should know this by now. It's

time to shed the skin of your past. Grow a new

one. Thick with anger. I watched a nature program

recently. It was very sad. It was about a gazelle

who stayed on the fringes of his pack, who was

the first to be eaten when the lion attacked.

But the gazelle in the center, who blended in,

she lived the longest. And we need you, Claire,

to live a good, long life.