ORIGINS IN TELEVISION WATCHING! Featuring Jennifer Kaufman!

Hey, hey, hey, it's Chaos Queen here, and you're

listening to the Geekcast Radio Network. Hey,

it's Mistress Carrie, and you are listening to

Studio 2009. All right, everyone, it's TV talk

time, because here at the Geekcast Radio Network,

we talk TV. This is the 150th episode of Studio

2009, only on the Geekcast Radio Network. I'm,

of course, TF2 and Mike, and I can't breathe

because I'm talking so fast. Maybe I should take

a breath. But anyway, 150 episodes of Studio

2009. Steve Megatron and I launched this podcast

June 20th, I believe it was June 20th, of 2020,

back during the bad... And it's 2025. It's been

five or six years since we launched this podcast.

It has now reached 150 episodes. I'm only recording

this pre -intro intro because this episode is

way late because of my health issues and other

things going on with my life. I haven't been

able to edit this, but this was recorded months

and months ago with my good Canadian sister in

television. Jennifer Kaufman, Kit Couch Potato.

She is amazing. She is awesome. We've done many

a podcast in the past. We've talked about This

Is Us. We've talked about children's television

programming and other things. That episode here

is on Studio 2009. But this launches the brand

new Origins here at the GCRN. That's right, folks.

We are expanding GCRN Origins. We have comics.

We've got cartoons with ToonCast. We've got comics

with The Pull Bag. We've got He -Man, Masters

of the Universe with Powers of Grayskull. We've

got Origins and Transformers with all things

Transformers. We've got Origins everywhere. We've

got podcast Origins here on Studio 2009 with

Podcast Approach. We've got a whole bunch of

Origins. Well, we're launching a new one. At

the end of 2024, I said to myself, I need something

new. I need to do something else. I want to talk

TV because we love talking TV here at the Geekcast

Radio Network. And what better way to do origins

in television watching or origins in TV watching,

however I'm going to name the name, whatever,

whatever, whatever. And the person I wanted to

launch this with, because I hadn't chatted with

her in a while, was my good friend Jennifer Kaufman.

We've always had amazing TV talk stuff, and I

wanted to launch that with her. So she is the

first guest. There will be other guests, I believe.

Have we already done mine? No, we haven't done

mine. I haven't figured out who is going to interview

me for My TV Origins. But Steve Megatron will

be on. Optimus Solo will be on. The Comic Concierge

will be on. Other people. I will have many people.

If you guys want to be on the show, you want

to answer the 30 questions about your TV watching

habits, just shoot an email to feedback at geekcastradio

.com, subject line Studio 2009, Origins in Television

Watching. So yeah, that's it. 150 episodes. We

are still going here, folks. I am still expanding

Studio 2009 after five years. We've mostly talked

about movies, and we've mostly, over the last

year and a half, two years, from 2023 to 2025,

I've been doing this anniversary movie thing.

This has a 30th anniversary. That has a 40th

anniversary, or a 25th anniversary for whatever

film it is. And I like doing that, and I love

talking about movies, but I also love talking

about TV. So as 2025 winds down, as we have the

150th episode here now, As we approach 2026,

Studio 2009 will be not transitioning away from

film, but it will be mingling and mixing in a

lot of TV talk. So like Rick Gar says in Transformers

the movie, we talk TV. Do you talk TV? I talk

some news. Now the news. Don't touch that dial.

So what I will say is, now here is... origins

in television watching with my guest jennifer

kaufman coming up next here on studio 2009 only

on the geek cast radio network enjoy the show

folks thank you for listening as always i'm tfg

and mike and i will see you soon listen to the

episode coming up next and i'm running out of

things to say because i'm stupid and i should

have ended it there earlier and i'm just flambéing

myself now Holy crap, folks. It's a good thing

this isn't radio, because podcasting is not radio.

But anyway, coming up next, Studio 2009, Origins

and Television Watching with Jennifer Kaufman.

Enjoy, folks. Hey, big guy. Need another car.

Afraid this last one ended up in the drink. Spike.

Look at you. Just turn around and walk away.

You're a... Spike! You're a bloody puppet! You're

a wee little puppet, man. Hey, that's enough.

Angel, what the hell happened to you? You look

ridiculous. Get out of here, Spike. Oh, my God,

Angel, you're a... Shut up! What are you people

looking at? Well? They're looking at the wee

little puppet man. Stupid. Did you find me? Piece

of crap. Yes, I'm a puppet. Doesn't mean you

don't have work to do. There is nothing wrong

with your podcast player. Do not attempt to adjust

the volume. Hello and welcome back into our studio.

You are now inside Studio 2009, only on the Geekcast

Radio Network. I am, of course, TF2 and Mike.

This actually will be featured both on Studio

2009 as the 151st episode of that podcast, and

it will also be featured on Geekcast Radio. At

some point in the near future. I don't know when,

so I don't know what episode number for Geekcast

Radio it's going to be. But this is our 150th

episode of Studio 2009. We are launching a brand

new origin segment. This has been two years in

the making, even though it only took us about

two weekends and 20 minutes. Something like that.

Yeah, that's usually how it goes, pretty much.

Avoid, avoid, avoid takes you very little time

to do it. Well, I mean, it's a, I would like

to think after 12 years, cause the origins format

for those that don't know, it started on the

comic podcast on the pullback. Cause I wanted,

I didn't want to just do, Oh, you're a comic

book podcast. Like every other comic book podcast

on the internet, you're going to do this. You're

going to do that. You're going to do every predictable

thing that every other, I'm like, no, I don't

want to do that. So I created, at the time, in

2013 it was 25 questions. In 2019, right before

everything shut down, I was like, oh, let's look

at this again. Let's see how we can expand this.

And it went from 25 to 30 questions. And then

I expanded everything else. And I went into cartoons

and toy collecting and video games. Now I'm like,

okay. TV's next. And here we are with the first

ever origins in television or origins in television

watching. I haven't decided what the actual title

of the thing is going to be yet. So that's also

why this being the 150th episode, it's going

to take a few months for this to come out because

I still don't know what the hell I'm calling

it. As you've heard a few of her sayings here

and her laughter, we have none other than Mrs.

Jennifer Kaufman. She is back. You heard her

way back when, two years ago, in episode 57 of

this podcast. I don't remember what the, I think

it was episode 17, 317 maybe, of GCR. We did

children's television programming then and now.

And why Paw Patrol is the devil. So go back and

listen to that. I can't believe that was two

years ago. That does not feel like two years

ago. What happened? Where did time go? Yes. I

specifically went back and looked. I'm like,

wait a minute. Because I was looking to grab

the link to send it to somebody else. Because

I was like, what episode number? I had forgotten

that I had syndicated it to both Studio 2009

and Geekcast Radio. I was like, usually most

of my podcasts, you ask me what episode number

The Simpsons is or what episode number Batman

the Animated Series is or what episode number

He -Man is on ToonCast. I can tell you He -Man

is number 10. Batman is number 92 because it

came out in 1992. Simpsons was number 80 just

because it was number 80. Usually I have all

that stuff memorized because it's my podcast

and I'll podcast if I want to, damn it. But it's

one of those things where I'm like, what the

hell number was this episode? And I'm looking

and I'm like entering like 17 million different

search terms and nothing is coming up. And I'm

like, okay. And then finally I just like, okay,

I'm just going to put in two different versions.

So I put in your name. as like the last resort.

Yeah. And then, and then I put in kit couch potato

as the second last year. Like, Oh, it was episode

57. Got it. Yeah. Episode 57 was, I think it

was August of 2023, somewhere around there is

what, what the thing said. But yeah, it's been

two years since we did that show. And right after

that show is kind of when I got the idea of,

of eventually doing this, but it's, it's been

a wacky two years. And it wasn't until I think

something happened last year where I started

the video game version of the questions last

year. And I'm like, hmm, what else can we expand

this into? And I don't know. I probably saw one

of your Facebook posts talking about TV or something.

And I'm like, hey, wait a minute. What about

that old idea? Like, let's get this going. So

here we are, folks. 30 questions all about talking

TV, watching and TV, watching habits. So welcome

to the show, Jen. Welcome back to the show. How

the hell have you been? I am good. You know,

just parenting. Lots and lots of parenting. It's

funny because I'm going back into the TV world

and if we'd done this maybe six years ago, boy,

it would have been a different thing too because

I would have been like, oh, and this happened

and I'm watching this and I watched these five

things last night, you know? And now it's so

interesting because I've had to pair all of my

TV watching back and be really intentional about

what I choose to watch. And then going back through

my history, it's just a, it's a very different

world when you have, and your time does not belong

to you as much. Nope. Your time belongs to either

Blippi or Bluey and the kids. Well, yeah, that's

like, Bluey is amazing. I would actually, that

I should have, I didn't, I didn't put that on

the list of anything I was going to talk about,

but we should absolutely talk about Bluey at

some point, because that is like, I mean, it's

a fantastic show for adults, for kids, for anybody.

It's deep. It's so deep. But yeah, it's sort

of like we watch kids' TV, yes, but also we're

busy doing other things and the kids are watching

their own stuff. And some of it we like, some

of it we avoid. But absolutely, we have to be

more intentional to grab that time to watch stuff

we want to watch. Absolutely. obviously in every

origins, it doesn't matter whether it's TV, video

games, whatever, which origin. Yeah. It wasn't

the, yeah. My girlfriend's a chaos queen. She

said, this makes no sense. Why would you ask

them? This is the first question. Why? Because

if the answer isn't yes, then why would you have

them on the show? The first question is, did

you grow up watching TV? And at what age do you

first remember really noticing or falling in

love with a TV show? And usually how this goes

is, yeah, we know, but like, yes, technically.

The answer would be yes, but everyone has a different,

like, what if your parents didn't let you watch

TV? What if you didn't discover TV until you

were not living at home anymore? What if you

didn't discover television until college or after

high school or somehow? Everybody has a different

origin. That's why these are called the origins.

Everyone has a different origin story. Not everyone

started watching TV at five years old, learning

with Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers and everything

back in the 80s. Absolutely. But when she pointed

that out to me, I was like, oh, crap. I guess

I can't ask anybody else to come on any of these

podcasts because the first question basically

just kills the whole interview. I don't know.

I think it depends. If it's about your TV watching

as a child, then yeah, the answer better be yes.

Right. There's lots of different. origin story.

Some people might have just not really been into

TV as a kid, but then really gotten into it.

Or some people might have, yeah, limits that

were put on them. And then when they could decide

for themselves what they were going to watch

and how they were going to watch, the whole world

opened up. So it's definitely interesting. It's

funny. I did watch TV as a kid, but my mom swears

that she didn't let me watch TV a lot as a young

kid. And she even mentioned this at my wedding

because the joke was that The wedding was TV

themed and all the tables were named after TV

verses or TV places, right? So you would be sitting

at Sacred Heart, you know, or the Dharma Initiative

or something like that. So she joked in her speech

that she didn't really let me watch a lot of

TV growing up. But I think, you know, she's exaggerating

a little because I, of course, I do remember

falling in love with Sesame Street, I think would

be that first show as it probably was for so

many children. Of the 80s and 90s and 70s, I

guess, right? Yeah, it was the first episode

was like 69. 69. Yep. Yeah. So, you know, I think

that was such a critical part of my childhood.

But I think my mom has said that we had a black

and white television before that. I feel like

they just didn't really watch a lot of TV. So

they got it. color television specifically so

I could see Sesame Street in color because she

kind of felt bad, I feel like. I mean, all the

Muppet, you know, if Big Bird's not yellow, it's

like, what are we even doing? So they got a color

television so I could watch Sesame Street. And

that was the first show that I really watched.

But outside of... That obvious one, I think Shira

was the other one that I stumbled upon, which

wasn't totally a kid's show, but it was animated.

So it felt to me like it was a kid's show. And

that's something that really captured my imagination

as a child. I don't remember a lot of it now

because I have not gone back and watched the

original Shira, I think, ever. Well, this year

is its 40th anniversary. You should go back and

watch it. I mean, maybe, right? I did watch the

new one on Netflix, which I quite liked, although

it was very different. But I think it was just,

you know, the characters, the names, the swords,

the powers, like that all really. attracted my

attention as a child. And while I don't remember

the show, I just remember how much I loved the

show. And I remember running around, you know,

with swords and the little pajamas. And I remember

dressing up as Shira with the little headpiece.

So that was something that absolutely captured

my imagination as a child. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, good old He -Man and Shira. Yeah, I remember

that. I mean, we have a podcast on the network,

Powers of Greyskull series, where we actually

watched re -watched. We started this in 2012.

We re -watched every single episode of every

single Masters of the Universe cartoon they've

ever done. The only ones we haven't done yet

are any of the new ones. So we haven't done the

new Netflix Shiri yet. We are going to at some

point. We haven't done that one yet. We haven't

done the... We kind of really did... We did kind

of sort of do the Kevin Smith version. We didn't

do the other... the CGI version yet, but we're...

We're working on it. We'll get back to it eventually.

But yeah, the one thing I remember from She -Ra

specifically, honestly, is just the secret of

the sword. It's just those first five episodes,

both individually as the episodes and as the

put together film. That's the only thing I remember

from the show, even though I don't think I even

remember that. I honestly, I feel like I remember

the image of her holding up the sword. And I

remember there was a character named Frosta.

Yep. I don't know why. I think I had a few toys.

So when a new series came out, I was like, where's

Frosta? Which one is Frosta? That's the one I

remember. I think I was six at the time. So I

was very young. There's pictures of me with my

sister who would have been three. We're both

wearing matching shirt pajamas. And my brother

is an infant like in one of our laps. Right.

So I don't think it lasted that long. sort of

obsession with it or when maybe it was you know

it also depended on what was on right because

it's not like we had dvds or even vhs's of that

stuff so if it wasn't it didn't happen to be

on at a time where i could watch it then it would

in my mind yeah so so if you were six in 85 i

was five when it premiered it lasted two seasons

it lasted two years by 87 it was first run syndication

It probably got a few reruns in 88, 89. I don't

know how many reruns after that. I was born in

81. So I would have been six in 87. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. So it might've been somewhere around there

that I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And that was Canada

too. So I don't know. Maybe it's different. Who

knows? Maybe. Who knows? I don't know where I

was watching it. I've got no idea. Was YTV a

thing back then? I don't think it was, wasn't

it? Oh Lord. I think YTV was a little later,

but again, I don't know. Someone turned on the

TV and I was like, Oh, look at that. Yeah. Look

at that. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. As a kid, how

much TV were you allowed to watch? And did your

parents sit you in front of the TV to distract

you a lot? So no, they did not. As I said, they

really tried to limit our screen time. And it

wasn't as much of a thing as it is now, of course,

because limiting screen time was certainly a

lot easier than it is now. But they did not put

us in front of the television to distract us

a lot. I think when I was really young, it was,

you know, we would watch Sesame Street. And there

was a period at which my mom would make dinner.

So she would make dinner. I don't know, probably

around like five o 'clock. And when I was little,

there was a couple of shows we'd watch back to

back at that time because they were on. So that

would have been like maybe Sesame Street, but

also like Polka Dot Door. I don't know if you've

ever heard of Polka Dot Door. Or today's special?

I don't think so. I've heard of today's special.

I don't remember. You've heard of today's special?

Okay, so these were, I believe, both Canadian

shows that were kids' shows. Because Canadian

television used to be really good for kids' TV

at the time. And Polka Dot Door was the world's

dumbest show. As a kid, I liked it. But it's

not bad. It's just that... The premise of the

show was that there were these two adults and

they lived in this house with a bunch of stuffed

animals. I think there were two stuffed animals

and two raggedy dolls or whatever. They would

talk to them, but they weren't puppets and they

didn't move. They would just put the bear up

to their ear and go, what's that bear? What did

you say? I think it was supposed to be how kids

really talk to their stuffies. But in a way,

you're like, OK, you couldn't have sprung for

a slightly larger budget and had a puppet or

something because they were just talking to these

stuffed animals. And then there was this weird

character called Pokeroo who would come in at

the end. He was sort of like a I don't even know

how to describe it, like a clown animal, giant,

tall kind of like guy in a mascot suit. And it

was clearly whoever was the man in the show.

The man would disappear and then Pokeroo would

come and then she'd be like, you. Missed him

again. And you're like, darn it. And you're like,

obviously you're a Pokeroo. Like I'm only seven

years old. It's very clear to me that you are

a Pokeroo, sir. So there was that one. And then

there was today's special, which, if you've heard,

takes part in a department store after it closes.

And the main premise is that one of the mannequins,

Jeff, comes to life after the store closes. And

so it's his story along with, I think, there's

the store manager. And they're both humans. And

then they have a puppet security guard and a

puppet mouse. And that was really well done.

That's a very cute show. But they would play

back -to -back on probably one of our... I think

it was TVO or some kind of kids channel. And

we would watch that. And then as we got older,

dinner time, we would watch back to back sitcoms.

So we would watch, there was a stretch of, I

think it was like Growing Pains, Full House,

Who's the Boss? There might've been one other

in there and they sometimes switched back and

forth. Those are the ones that we would watch

kind of at dinner while my parents would cook

dinner. But that was like. the time that we watched

television and we, and they didn't really, yeah,

we did not get sat in front of it at other times

to, for any other reason, really. That was it.

It was like, I'm trying to make dinner. Please

don't kill each other. Here are some shows. Yeah,

exactly. There you go. Yeah, basically. What

was the first. Okay. I blame her for this folks.

This is her fault. Cause it's my own reaction,

but. It's her fault because she put adult in

quotes. What was the first adult show you remember

watching? Now, when I answer these questions,

my thing is going to be, ooh, they were squiggly

lines and you had to really angle yourself at

a certain angle to see certain things. Yeah,

I did think when I wrote adult that it might

accidentally have another connotation there.

But I guess I sort of meant like not kids television.

So what was the first like regular? non -kid

TV show you remember watching or falling in love

with? So it would have been Road to Avonlea on

CBC, which is our public broadcaster in Canada.

And I don't know if you are aware of the show,

but I'm sure you've heard of Anne of Green Gables.

Yep. You can't live and not have heard of Anne

of Green Gables. That would have been insane.

Based in that world, Avonlea was the place where

Anne was from. And so the author wrote a couple

of random stories about Avonlea. And they took

some of these sort of random stories about Avonlea

and created a whole world of characters based

on that, very loosely based on it. So these were

stories that took place kind of in that same

setting as Anne of Green Gables with all these

different characters. And I used to watch it

with my family every week, and I loved it. And

that's where Sarah Polly got her start. I don't

know if you know Sarah Pauly, actress from Dawn

of the Dead and Go. Now she's a really famous

director. She was the little girl, kind of the

main star of that show. And so that was kind

of the number one. And then the other one was

the... Lois and Clark, The New Adventures of

Superman. And that was something that I watched

with my parents as well. In fact, I think we

watched that the same night as Avonlea, but it

was a different channel. So we watched, we would

watch Avonlea was on first, and then we'd switch

to the non -public broadcasting channel and watch.

lois and clark the new adventures of superman

because my mom was obsessed with that and i loved

it as well like that was the first show that

i watched regularly like we watched all the sitcoms

as i mentioned like i do remember watching full

house and growing pains but you know you never

really watch it in order and it wasn't something

that i was like oh no i can't miss the next episode

of full house because also i was watching in

syndication so who knew yeah um but definitely

like every week we did not want to miss road

to evan lee and lois and clark and we you know

we We wanted to know what happened next, and

it was kind of like that first appointment, television.

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Lois, I'm home. I had

a train derailment in Canada, an orphanage fire

in London, and a dam broke in India. Did you

make something for dinner? Oh, my gosh. What

happened? Lex Luthor. The rat. Where's Lois?

She was here just a second ago. Probably scared

witless, poor thing. Don't worry. I'll have you

out of that thing in no time. Okay, let's see

now. Do I disconnect the black wire or the white

one? Don't worry. I'll save you. What do you

think? What do I think? Lois, I think you got

some explaining to do. Clarky, if we're going

to be partners and we're going to be married,

I want to be part of the act. Lois, there are

things I do you can do. Me Superman. Me super

wife. Us super in trouble. Could you hold this

argument till later and get us out of here? I

knew this was going to happen. First you know

who I am. Then you're going to fire me. Next

thing you're going to fire us up in a hatch.

Ay, caramba! You exploded them! Oh, Clark, you...

Well, I can explain why they exploded. Ay, ay,

ay! Hola. Clark? Yeah, sitcoms are... Sitcoms

are weird. Sitcoms are... Yes, you have your

season or series, premieres and finales. So you

get your season... premiere season finale series

premiere series finale and those are okay season

one starts you have the introduction of all the

characters and everything else and all this and

all that and you get the season one finale and

they some most times season one finales don't

do too many dramatic things i mean if it's been

a super successful show it'll be fine if it's

been super funny it'll be fine but as the as

the sitcom goes on maybe they want to do a little

bit more drama to it or maybe they want to add

something to it maybe they want to add high stakes

to get better ratings for next season to make

sure they come back and they'll do stuff like

that but yeah i mean sitcoms generally other

than the first episode and last episode of every

season you could essentially watch any of the

in between any of the middle part of that sea

whatever season it is Like you could watch season

two, episode seven, season three, episode nine,

back to back in syndication of whatever show

it is and not miss a beat. Unless somehow those

two seasons, one character left and then a new

character, like, you know, you know, the old

saying. this actor is now playing this character

in this soap opera, you know, unless that happened

kind of a thing, which it never really did on

sitcoms, but like, unless something like that

kind of happened. Oh, it did on Roseanne, remember?

Okay, well, it did on Roseanne, but... That was

the big one, the Becky, yeah. Yeah. But, you

know, yes, I think that's true to a certain extent.

Yeah, to a certain extent, yeah. When you're

younger, you don't really notice or care. Like

if I was watching Full House, I'd be like, oh,

right. I mean, you can see the differences in

where the characters were, but it wasn't enough

to dissuade you or to feel like, well, I'm missing

stuff. I certainly can't watch this now, you

know? I think the first sitcom I really remember

watching every week was Friends, and it's because

everyone was doing it. And clearly, you know,

Their romantic entanglements sort of arced the

seasons. And so you would, obviously, if you

tuned into a different episode. in syndication

of friends, because that was one of the series

where I would watch both at the same time, because

while it was airing the later seasons, the earlier

seasons were all in syndication earlier in the

evening. And you would be like, oh, well, okay,

Chandler's dating this person, so that's an earlier

episode, or so -and -so's dating this person.

But it didn't preclude you from watching, because

the plot was still contained in the episode,

much like a procedural. And certainly when I

was younger, like I... it took me a while to

kind of figure out where they were on who's the

boss. Like, you know, okay, how, what's going

on? Oh, this person's a little bit older and

like, Oh, or Tony and Angela like openly flirting

yet. Like what's happening. So there was that

kind of stuff, but, but yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't

appointment television because I wasn't watching

it week and I had no idea when it actually aired.

Right. I just watched it during dinner time.

So, yeah. Yeah. I think the thing though is with

the older comedies with stuff like, What's a

good example? Technically, I guess the first,

I'll say two seasons. The first two seasons of

ALF, like I said, outside of the premiere and

the finale, you could probably watch any of those

episodes in any order of each of those seasons.

Like season one, you could watch episode seven

and then watch episode three. Yeah. probably

really really matter that's not how you should

watch them folks we're not telling you to do

that i'm just saying i mean maybe that's that's

the way syndication was back then that's the

way like yes yes i mean seinfeld is like that

too i think more than anything because seinfeld

notoriously has like not a lot of character arcs

in it and so you really yeah other than sometimes

the wardrobe it really doesn't matter because

they're not you might be like oh right this is

after susan died or something but that was really

the only kind of thing you know because they

were notoriously like unattached and not yeah

yeah that's how they how it worked yeah after

all it's a show about nothing yes absolutely

Alright, next up we got, did you have any favorite

TV characters when you were growing up? Yeah,

I think when I was growing up in my younger years,

like definitely, I mean, a lot of the characters

in Road to Avonlea, but I mean, Anne of Green

Gables was always my favorite, even though that's

like a... Those were two kind of TV movies, I

guess, four -hour TV movies. They kind of aired

over two nights each, Anne of Green Gables and

Anne of Green Gables the sequel. And she was

my all -time favorite kind of role model, right?

She was imaginative and sassy. And I don't know

why she didn't like her red hair. Like, who didn't

want red hair? That's insane. But yeah, she was

obviously my favorite. But I thought this was

also a good place to talk about one of my weirder

TV... which was sort of from the age of, I would

say junior high. So what I must've been like

13 to like 16. I was, I went through a really

like deep soap opera phase where I was just obsessed

with one soap opera at a time. And I think that's

how I got introduced to the concept of shipping.

Although I didn't really call it that at the

time because I didn't really know what shipping

was, but I would pick a show and then I would

like sort of fall in love with this. Will they,

won't they. kind of drama of two of these soap

opera characters and it just became like an obsession

so like those were the characters that I remember

like When you think about being obsessed with

characters, it was like I had, I watched this

really bad Canadian soap opera called Family

Passions, which took place half in Canada and

half in Germany. Although like nobody in Germany

was speaking German, but they all had really

German names like Stefan and Jürgen and Hans.

So there was like a romance between two of those

characters, Stefan and Kala, that I was obsessed

with. And there was like another world romance

between Maggie and Raphael. And there was like

a Days of Our Lives one. Austin and Carrie, I

believe I was really like attached to those ships.

Like that was my thing. And sort of in my early

teen years in terms of characters, like I was

just, that, that introduced me to this idea of

like, at being the driving force between watching

something was like, Oh, these two have to end

up together or I'll die. You know, like the sad

thing is, is I found very late. I grew up with

my grandmother watching Days of Our Lives, All

My Children, One Life to Live, General Hospital,

all that stuff. But I did not fully get invested

until for General Hospital. I didn't get invested

until like 2002, 2003 when Jason and Sam were

a couple. Oh, okay. I was 22 and 23 years old

at that time. I'm like, oh my God, how the hell

am I getting invested in this now? It's hard.

And it's weird because it's a weird exercise

in watching television because nothing happens

almost in every episode. And then really, I used

to be obsessed with it so that I would make my

parents record the episodes on VCR while I was

at school. You know, then you'd be like, oh,

no, I missed this scene. And then, you know,

I'd go on vacation or something and we wouldn't

be able to record it. And I'd be like, what am

I going to do? And later you're just like, what

are you talking about? Nothing happened. Like

you could come back a month later and like the

plot is still the same, man. You're fine. Sometimes

they're still having the same conversation in

the same room. But it felt very vital then. It

felt very important that I not miss a second

of this soap opera, which is kind of crazy. And

luckily that era did not last long. I think,

yeah, just sort of like 13 to 16. And then I

was kind of over it. Thank God, because that

was intense. Were you loyal or partial to specific

TV networks when you were a kid? How about now?

Definitely not as a kid. And Canada, it's a little

different, too, because most of the content was

coming from America, made by totally different

networks than the ones we were watching it on.

Sort of our two major public ones were global

and CTV. Not public, sorry. I guess private,

like commercial networks were CTV and global.

And I would watch whatever the show was on any

of those things that, yeah, where it made the

most sense, I guess. I had no really concept

of that. And as I went through a real big ABC

phase in my mid -20s when they had that huge

resurgence with Lost and Desperate Housewives

and Grey's Anatomy, I became like an ABC loyalist

because I was so interested in the story of how

they were like fourth and they shot to number

one with all these shows that the guy who was

fired had greenlit, right? I think it was Lloyd

Braun was his name and he had greenlit all these

shows. But because he hadn't gotten the numbers

out up. before he got fired before they all premiered

and then they all like were smashes right and

it was like this interesting hook of a story

from 2004 so the abc loyalist phase and um now

i guess you know i went through a bit of that

like wb phase as well where like all the shows

that i really liked were kind of on the wb you

know when you were watching Buffy and Angel,

the teen shows, even though I wasn't watching

them on the WB because we didn't get that here.

I was really into that culture of the WB as being

the place where all the cool teens and early

20s people hung out and watched stuff. Yeah,

absolutely, absolutely. Wasn't Lloyd Braun just

a character on Seinfeld? uh i swear i don't know

i'd have to i don't know man i gotta look that

up i'm pretty sure i'm pretty sure that his name

was lloyd braun he was the guy who like greenlit

this stuff and then um yeah it was fired before

it premiered and it was one of the craziest years

of television either because it was those were

some of the biggest smashes and kind of a new

era of network television yeah Network TV was

back, baby. I mean, my God, Grey's Anatomy is

still on from that season. That was a mid -season

show, so it didn't premiere in 2004. It premiered

in 2005, but it had already been greenlit and

the first episodes had been made. It premiered

in 2005 after the Christmas holidays and it was

still on the air. That's insane to think about.

To think about how many years have passed since

then and that show is still on the air. 20 years.

Yeah. Same with stuff like, you know, when you,

when you, when it's animated or something like

the Simpsons, it feels a little different because

it's sort of like, these are cartoon characters

that don't really age or change that much, but

like to have a show with actors and these like

on the air for like, wow, that's wild. Crazy.

Wild. Crazy. Yeah. When streaming came along,

did you resist it at first? What was the first

streaming show that you. were in that drew you

in? No, I definitely didn't resist. I, I mean,

I always thought that I would still want to own

physical things because I was really into collecting

DVDs. But as soon as Netflix was sort of like

available, like I got into house of cards right

away because it was just low hanging fruit and

it was easy to watch. And yeah, so I did, I did

the house of cards and the orange is the new

black thing right off the bat and was really

into both of those. Still to this day, I've never

seen either of them. I've watched everything

else on Netflix. I've never watched either one

of them. In retrospect, House of Cards obviously

kind of turned out in a bad place. Kevin Spacey

and everything. But the first season was really

compelling. But Orange is the New Black was a

really good show because it was a stealth show

that really introduced diverse characters in

a different way because the first season was

sort of based on this book by this white woman

who went to jail for being involved in sort of

selling drugs. So her character, Piper, goes

to this all -women's prison, and it's sort of

about this sort of waspy woman, like, what am

I doing here? How do I fit in? This is crazy.

But very quickly, that... premise was kind of

like sidelined to become really a show about

a strong group of Black characters and Latina

characters and Asian characters and different

cultures within prisons. You know, lesbian characters,

queer characters, older characters, people of

all different weights and types of faces and

just abilities. It was... a very cool way to

have a bunch of diverse characters on screen,

especially diverse female characters. So yeah,

I would recommend that one for sure to watch.

I don't recommend anybody bother with house of

cards at this point, but it was fun at the time.

Fun at the time. Times they are changing. Oh

boy. Do you still watch broadcast TV or cable?

Why or why not? I do not because I do not have

it. I cut the cord or the literal fake, I don't

know, it's not really a cord, but the metaphorical

cord a while ago because I just, I never turned

on the television for the purposes of doing that.

And I would PVR things and they would just pile

up on my PVR and I just wasn't watching them.

I go to my parents' house a couple times a year

to watch the Oscars and a bunch of other award

shows because I'm a bit of a award show nut.

But that's really it. I do watch a lot of shows

that are on broadcast, but I watch them when

they end up on streaming. On streaming, yeah.

And so in Canada, that's either, you know, obviously

the Disney Plus stuff will end up, or the ABC

Fox stuff often ends up on Disney Plus. And then

we've got Crave here. So the stuff that ends

up on CTV in Canada, which can come from all

over, often ends up on Crave after the fact.

And there are some shows that I just have never

checked out simply because they haven't. ended

up anywhere and I haven't bothered to go out

of my way to find them or to seek them out outside

of all the streaming services. And I have all

of the streaming services because let's say we

definitely do not share them with random people.

No, we would never do that. But we have Apple

TV and Disney Plus and Crave and Netflix and

people that we know and definitely don't share

with have Paramount and Acorn. Add a bunch of

other ones, too. Yeah, there's a lot. A lot.

There's so many of them. Prime. I forgot Prime.

Prime's a big one. Yeah, we have that, too. Prime's

a big one. Yep, yep, yep. I don't even know.

So I've been living. I had moved from Washington

State to Indiana in 2022. This is more for you

than for the listeners, because I'm pretty sure

the listeners have heard me say in the last three

years that, unfortunately, Karen, my late wife,

had passed away in 2021. I had to move from Washington.

to hear. Yes. I've been here for three years.

And even before the move, we never, our TV, we

were streaming everything. Yeah. Whatever it

was like, I, I couldn't even tell you. I know

one local channel out in Vancouver, Washington.

I mean, technically it was Portland, Oregon's

channel, but it was syndicated across the river

to Vancouver because Vancouver is right across

the river from Portland, Oregon. But here in

Indiana, I'm in Anderson. I'm 45 minutes northeast

of Indianapolis, and I can sit here and tell

that to people. It's fine. It's not that we have

a deal, but it's one of those things where I

wouldn't even... I think CBS Indy 4 is the only...

channel i remember because i remember when i

moved here three years ago i was like oh i should

go to facebook and look and see which you know

which facebook pages for whatever network or

what and it didn't matter cbs abc whatever i

was just looking for the low what i was looking

for was local weather really was to find a local

weather spot because whatever Kind of thing.

But I have not. My TV is a 55 inch flat panel

sharp TV that I bought in 2018. It is finally

mounted to a wall in this apartment. And it's

nothing but streaming. It's nothing but streaming.

I know it has obviously broadcast whatever, but

just I don't know. I just don't. It's just too

easy. easy to stream and there's so many options

that going outside of that feels like work in

a weird way um and i i knew you had moved but

honestly i i knew it was somewhere in the heartland

but i i don't really know where all those places

are kind of in my head i was like for some reason

i thought that when we did our last two podcasts

which was after you would move that You were

in a different time zone. Clearly you weren't.

No. Right. I kind of, I knew your history and

I knew that you had moved from somewhere, but

I, but I didn't know that that meant you switched

time zones. And I wasn't even sure, like Indiana,

no offense, but I could have said like Ohio or

like Iowa. And those are probably in the same

time zone as me, but I didn't know that or think

about, yeah, I don't know, man. That's just my

ignorance about American geography. It's okay.

I'm sure I'm just as... Look. Niagara Falls,

you can still go over in a barrel, right? I went

over in a barrel in 1992. I was 12 years old.

I survived. You can still go over in a barrel,

right? Come on now. No, it's fine. I just want

you to know that it's not that I did not remember

that you moved. No, no, no. It's fine. No, no,

no. It's fine. You mentioned the award shows.

I... I loathe award shows in general because

I just, I don't like the, it's the process of

how the awards are selected to be given out to

various people. And that's, that's what I don't

like about it. I like that people win. I think

that it's great when, when certain people win.

But what I like about award shows are moments

that we sometimes get. Like slap people on live

television? No, not that moment. I do not like

that moment. No, that was a thing. You're absolutely

right. I liked it, but it was something. It was

something, but that was not a good moment whatsoever

at all. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about the

good moments, the moments you don't expect, the

moments where, yeah, Fuller's going to drink

another Pepsi. Fuller, yeah, you're sleeping

alone tonight, Fuller. Fuller, almost 30 years

later. Cause yeah. Shit. It's the 30, 30th, 30th,

35th anniversary of home alone. Wait, 1990, 2025,

35th anniversary of home alone this year. Uh,

uh, Karen Culkin, his speech. Oh my God. What

was so great about that in the first place was

that, you know, he was already a lauded actor

on television. He'd done movies and stuff, but

he was in succession and he had won this Emmy

last year. And so he made that joke about, you

know, my wife said, if I won an Emmy, we can

have a third kid. And then, you know, he said

in the parking lot, oh, well, I actually want

four. And she said, oh, honey, I'll give you

four when you win an Oscar. And the funny thing

about that is that. It wasn't really any likelihood

last year at all of Kieran Culkin winning an

Oscar because he hadn't done any movies, big

movies in a while. It wasn't like if you said

that to say, like, who hasn't won an Oscar, who

definitely will at some point. Oh, like Amy Adams.

If you said that to Amy Adams, you're like, well,

Amy Adams will eventually win an Oscar. So that's

that's very likely to happen. You could not have

predicted that he would find the one movie that

would get him nominated and then he'd win an

Oscar the next year. That's so insane. That clip.

I just love the way he tells that story. He's

a masterful comedian. He is so good. Honey, love

of my life, ye of little faith. Of course she

had little faith. He didn't see himself there.

That's what's so funny. No, I know. It was great.

That's what I love about award shows. Moments

like that. There was another moment from last

year. What happened last year? Oh, God. There

was another good moment. I don't think I remember

much from last year. Oh, there was another. I

don't know. I saw that moment. And like I said,

there's some other said whatever. I don't know.

There's a clip of Kieran Culkin being asked something

on the red carpet. I think someone, the reporter

said, oh, there's this thing on the Internet

where people are wondering who would win in a

fight between the Culkin brothers and the Skarsgård

brothers. And the look on his face, he was like,

have you seen those guys? Yeah, exactly. He said

they would murder us. They would kill us. Maybe

if one of them had a hand tied behind his back.

I don't know. But it was the funniest reaction.

He was like, are you out of your mind? Those

guys are giants. They would literally murder

us. I like watching all of the content ahead

of time. It's almost like a game for me when

people get nominated that I'm like, okay, let's

see how many of these I can watch so that I feel

informed. And I also like the fashion. I do love...

I love watching the fashion. I love the dresses.

I love going online and talking about the dresses.

That's probably not your thing, but me, yeah,

no. That's part of the spectacle of it all. What

I used to like, I don't do this anymore, obviously,

but what I used to like was I used to like watching

Fashion Police. I used to like Joan and Kelly

and all of them breaking it down. But since Joan

has... It's just not the same anymore. Yeah.

It's just not the same anymore. No, it's true.

It's true. So this Canadian friend of mine here,

folks, she's nuts. There's no way we're going

to do this, but we're going to try. Top 10 shows

of all time. Go. Well, I wrote it down. So it's

not like I just caught them off the head by me.

I cheated. I cheated. I knew what the question

was. I was probably sitting here going, uh, who?

Okay, but I didn't think about it too hard, so

I'm probably missing a ton. Lost, Buffy and Angel.

I'm just going to call them one show. I think

that's fair. The West Wing, Veronica Mars, Crazy

Ex -Girlfriend, Gilmore Girls, Everwood, Scrubs,

Friday Night Lights, and Battlestar Galactica

with Wild Cards, Ted Lasso, and The Mindy Project.

Those are my... Yeah. there's probably lots that

i'm forgetting and it's funny because i'm looking

through and i'm like god there's really no other

than ted lasso which is like a wild card the

funny thing is now despite the fact that all

i do is watch streaming every single one of these

shows is a from a like almost a different era

except maybe crazy ex -girlfriend before streaming

yeah and i think that's because At least I don't

re -watch things in the same way that I used

to because there's just too much to watch. There's

so many shows that I watch now and I love, but

they don't retain the same spot in my head or

my heart because I don't have this DVD that I

am then re -watching over and over and over.

Sometimes you'll go back and watch episodes here

and there or occasionally watch a whole series

with a person who hasn't seen it yet. But even

then, you'll... often pick one of these series

instead of the newer series. So it's interesting

because it's definitely, I think it's changed

the game. And it also could be that those are

the shows from my relative youth, not like youth,

youth, but like my 20s, most of them, 20s, maybe

some like early 30s. So that those tend to, I

think, stick with you being from a part of your

life that's very formative, you know? I bet if

you asked a lot of people who were in their 50s

what their favorite shows were, some of them

would pick shows maybe a decade earlier, you

know, or vice versa. I don't know. Maybe not.

TV's changed a lot. But for sure, I just noticed

as I was writing that down that, yeah, like.

I could, you know, if I went back through all

the shows I recently watched and tried to think,

would any of these make the top 10? I'd have

to really think about it. They don't come instinctually

to me when someone asks me. Well, literally,

when someone says go, this is what came to mind

pretty much immediately. I just had to write

it down. So I. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, like

that. That's interesting. I just find that find

that interesting, intriguing. I don't know. Yeah,

absolutely. This question is going to be difficult

for me when I end up answering these questions,

because honestly, I know some, but I don't know.

Like, it's no disrespect to them, but I don't

know many off the top of my head. Who are some

of your favorite TV writers and why? Like, I

don't have writers in my brain as much as I have

actors and actresses. I wish I did. I feel like

I have the opposite. I mean, the actors are in

my brain, but I don't think of them as the architects

in the same way. So the writers are the people

that I really fanned over, but it's complicated.

It's complicated because a lot of my favorite

writers or who used to be my favorite writers,

I have now, I still admire their work, but I

am no longer, I would no longer consider myself

a fan of them. So like Joss Whedon, for example,

was always someone who I, I just adored his work,

but him as a person has become quite problematic.

Amy Sherman Palladino, who wrote The Gilmore

Girls, I don't love her politics either. But

what I liked about their writing, and also Aaron

Sorkin, who's also one of my favorite writers,

and he wrote The West Wing and Sports Night and

Studio 60 and all that stuff. What I like about

the way they write is it's very intentional and

very fast paced. Lots of dialogue. You know,

Aaron Sorkin kind of is the king of like the

walk and talk where the actors would just walk

around the space of the show and like kind of

give a ton of exposition and banter and like

just keep talking and walk. There was never any

like dead air. And Amy Sherman Palladino is very

much like the female version of that. Like the

Gilmore Girls is just full of constant chatter,

constant quippiness. Those are a very intentional

kind of writing that is very stylistic. And it's

one that doesn't involve a lot of ad -libbing

or improv. Like, you know, the people, Lauren

Graham and other actors on Gilmore Girls have

said, like, you would get stopped if you said

and instead of the. And she would say, no, it's

the. No, it's and. Because it's the flow of the

words that really mattered. And having said that,

the other style of writing that I really like

is the way that Jason Kadams would write. And

he was the one who did Friday Night Lights, where

it's so realistic. It feels like it's not really

written, which is the opposite. You watch the

West Wing and you're like, someone wrote the

shit out of this. Right? Or you watch Gilmore

Girls, you're like, obviously, no one talks like

this. This is a style. But when you watch Friday

Night Lights, it... It's very minimalist and

it feels like the characters are having authentic

conversations that often just, they feel so realistic

that it does feel as if they haven't been written,

although they obviously were. And that's very

different, but I really like that style as well.

So he is one of my favorites. Rob Thomas, who

did Veronica Mars. I love Mindy Kaling. I love

Bill Lawrence, who did Ted Lasso and who did

Scrubs. And Dan Fogelman. uh, who wrote this

is us. Now we did that podcast together and we

both talked about how we never finished the show.

Cause it was just a lot. Um, you know, he writes

relationships so well. And I think this is us

was a little bit challenging because the show

was just all about relationships. And so it's

just like, you're watching people like in all

of the, the sort of the ups and downs of life,

but nothing else. That's like the main meat.

I found that a little tough to get through, but

he also wrote pitch, which I am obsessed with,

which is just a one season show. And he's, he's

currently a writer on paradise, which is a Hulu

show that I'm watching right now. And I really

love, cause it's more of like, Not exactly. It's

more like a mystery, kind of very episodic. Sorry,

not very episodic. The opposite of episodic.

Serialized. That's what I meant to say. Serialized

show about a strange thing, which I don't want

to spoil. But it was an interesting show for

him to write because I see him as like a relationship

writer. What I love about the writing in that

series is that it takes kind of the mystery element

and the intrigue and all the plot twists of those

types of shows. But then the dialogue and the

interactions between all the characters have

that really authentic kind of heart and feel

to it that you would get in This Is Us, but it's

not too much because it's not the only thing

that's happening, which I feel is sometimes something

that's missing from some of those shows that

are very concept -driven, that they don't have

that kind of... good character interaction that

really feels like authentic and and hits you

in a way you're like oh man that's a that's a

truth right there right so he's great at that

and i I'm really appreciating his writing on

that show. I just keep talking about it every

time we watch the episodes with my husband, which

I'm currently doing. I'm like, Oh, this guy,

he does this thing. It's so good. He's like,

okay, okay. So, so yeah, I guess that's some

of my, some of my favorite writers. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah. And again, it's no disrespect. It's more

of, I need to see the, like, so currently we

just, well, we just wrapped up the fast saga.

series here on studio 2009 actually no we didn't

wrap it up we're interrupting it uh film uh 10

and 11 will be coming up next after this episode

folks but we're in the middle of that but we

just wrapped up season two of colombo the colombo

files where my buddy dave draper and i are going

episode by episode going through colombo and

for me When I do research on the TV shows for

the episodes, I look at the writer, I look and

see what other things they wrote, or I look to

see if I recognize the writer's name or whatever,

and we just go and we just look at it. Columbo

has a specific sort of format. Sometimes they

play with the formula, sometimes they don't.

But I need to actively take note of the writer

when the credit comes up on the screen for me

to... pay attention to that's why my origins

and tv watching episode folks it's probably not

going to be until episode 250 of this podcast

because i got a lot of research i gotta do with

some of these questions uh so and again it's

it's no disrespect to anybody and i think you

know talking about earlier how you're talking

about you know certain people we don't necessarily

like the people what we like the work that they

did Yeah, and I would say that also there's different

eras. Like the era of the TV writer, I think,

really didn't start until the late 90s, early

2000s, when it became about the showrunners and

the creators. Because the people that I mentioned

are mostly, these are showrunner creators. That

doesn't mean that they wrote every episode. That's

the thing. Right. Oh, yeah. They're the architects.

Well, except for Aaron Sorkin, that man, I swear

to God, he was writing Sports Night and West

Wing at the same time. He wrote like, I want

to say like 17 of 21 episodes. He was insane.

He was a bit of a control freak. And Amy Sherman

Palladino, a little bit the same. But for the

most part, I'm not necessarily talking about,

you know, the credit at the end of the episode.

I guess more talking about that, the showrunner

and the style and the guiding of that. I think

when people became super fans of TV, they started

to become super fans of writers. I remember being

a Buffy fan that you'd be fans of the people

that wrote those. And that was a big deal. And

Lost, too. When I was a big fan of Lost, we would

go into the chat rooms and we would talk to the

writers. And that was like our big thing. Right.

Like, you know, oh, that's so -and -so's episode.

That's so -and -so's episode. Right. You know,

especially season one with with the classic episodes.

Like we were really into like who was assigned

what episode and kind of how it played out. So,

yeah, absolutely. And I mean, like like I said,

it's more of you're right. I think it kind of.

I think once the internet kind of took off and

the whole internet TV culture of discussing TV

on the internet versus going to the water cooler

at whatever office job you had or whatever kind

of thing, the conversation changed and it went

online. You could then some, you know, back when

Twitter wasn't, well, it was always a cesspool,

but. back when it wasn't so much of a cesspool

and you could actually reach out to people and,

Hey, I really liked the episode that you wrote

last night or really like this or whatever. Yeah.

But like, for me, like I can remember like it's

more so cartoons than TV shows, but like take

transformers, for example, as, as a cartoon,

Buzz Dixon, David Wise, Michael Charles Hill,

like all of those are separate writers of those

of episodes of that cartoon. David Wise, may

the man rest in peace. He's been gone 15 years

now. Anyway, the point is, is that those are

writers I remember off the top of my head because

it's a cartoon and a franchise that I've been

involved with pretty much my whole life because

I was four years old when that franchise started.

So that's my thing with the TV writer question

here is when I get to getting my episode done

for this. I have to do so much research on the

TV shows that I've loved over my lifetime to

make sure that I can have a list of people I

can talk about. Like, yeah, I could talk about

Joss Whedon and how I like certain episodes that

he wrote of Angel and certain story arcs in Angel

because I'm sorry. Look, folks, anyone who's

listened to my podcast knows that I have the

opinion of opinions are like assholes. Everybody's

got one. There are no hot takes. Opinions are

opinions. Everybody's got one. Angel is better

than Buffy in my personal opinion. I think some

of the episodes of Angel are some of the strongest,

I would say, for sure. I think it's a little

bit. I mean, I kind of have half. I don't get

offended when people say that. I know some people

are like, what are you talking about? Angel has

a special place in my heart as well, and there

were episodes on it that were really brilliant.

I don't know if overall maybe some of the arcs

weren't as strong. It's hard to say. But also,

I think that it's when TV became less episodic

that the showrunner and the creator became more

of a thing. I don't watch The Sopranos, but I

know who David Chase is, right? Yeah, exactly.

You know, I knew Mark Cherry created Desperate

Housewives and it was a whole thing. You know,

I know Matthew Weiner did Mad Men, even though

I wasn't a Mad Men stan. And I think part of

that is because they became bigger figures because

they were guiding these like arcs and these sort

of big serialized worlds. Whereas, you know,

in the episodic 80s and stuff, you really didn't

know that as much. So those names didn't stand

out in the same way. That was part of it as well.

Not that they weren't great writers. I mean,

they were amazing. They did amazing. work, but

it just didn't have the same cultural recognition.

It's like you're saying, the way that TV shifted,

the writing credit sort of changed, whereas you

have, take Knight Rider, for example, another

one of my favorites. You have Glenn A. Larson

who created the show. I think Glenn wrote a couple

of episodes, but most of those you have, again,

similar to Transformers, you have specific writers

writing each episode kind of thing. And then

you get down to, like you're saying, with Angel

and with other shows. Like, take The Shield with

Sean Ryan. Yeah. I love that. Love that series.

There you go. Then you would spend, there you

go. You just got one right there. Sean Ryan.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there you go. But, uh, but

it's one of those things where I just, I want

to make sure I have enough where I can, you know,

I, I never want to go into any, any one of these

things and answer any of these questions on my

own where it's like, I don't have an answer for

that because I don't know what the hell I'm talking

about. Yeah, except for your honest answer is

kind of that, you know, I have writers I like,

but honestly, that hasn't been the pull for me.

I've never been, you know, like that is your

true TV watching habit is that you don't necessarily

probably watch TV from that perspective as much

as maybe some other people do. And everyone has

their own way of watching television, right?

That's true. There you go. What defines a good

story for you in television? I think it has to

have something to say about the human condition.

I know that that's a little bit cheesy, but I

think if you take plot or mystery or anything

else out of the equation, those are great to

have and you need those. But if you don't have

something to say, that's... whether it's a metaphor

for something or whether it's just an insight

that really hits people, that it's empty. And

I think that's what makes a story really special

is that extra insight, that extra level or layer.

Yeah, absolutely. All right, let's get to the

celebrities. Who are some of your favorite TV

actors and or actresses? This is the question

I had the hardest trouble answering. And I think

maybe that's because like, I don't know, isn't

everybody a TV actress now? Like, I feel like

there isn't the line there once was, you know

what I mean? Where it's like, this guy does television,

this person doesn't. You know, you have movie

stars winning awards for limited series and Kathy

Bates is in Matlock and, you know. But I had

to start somewhere. Yeah. So I think I'm just

going to go with Lauren Graham just because she's

sort of been consistently television and has

been one of my favorite actresses for years.

And if you take the whole run on Gilmore Girls

and the whole run on Parenthood and a couple

of other different series that she's been in,

yeah, I think she would probably be consistently

one of my favorites. I just really like her style.

I like the comedy. I like the... She kind of

does a similar thing, but altered a little bit.

But she has a bit of a brand that I really enjoy,

I guess I would say. Very cool, very cool. Is

there a criminally underrated show that you think

everyone needs to watch? You know, I struggle

with this one too. It's like, is that right now?

Or is it in the past? Like, I'm not sure. There's

so many shows that people don't, that maybe aren't

as... he misses they should be or so i don't

know i mean i think i had to go back in the past

i would maybe think that everyone should watch

everwood it just it's not i don't know that it's

criminally underrated i feel like it's very highly

regarded um but maybe not the most viewed series

of all time so yeah i'll go with that one i'm

gonna say everwood somebody i forget somebody

was trying to tell me is it little things which

one's the one about the the boston series oh

god it's better things no it's something little

things it's about these guys who are in boston

one of them dies in a car crash or something

they're all oh a million a million little things

a million little things that's what it is thank

you he doesn't die in a car crash it's suicide

he commits suicide it's sort of like the remaining

friend group is dealing with that. And like,

yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. I think that lasted

like four seasons. I only watched the first one

when I still had broadcast television. But I

mean, I think I enjoyed that. It was pretty good.

Yeah. I, I, I don't know. I was at a weird place

at the time. And I think, I think it was Karen

that said, Oh, you should watch this. Cause it's

Boston. And it's, it's, it's, it's Boston and

it's this and it's that. And it's whatever. And

I was like, I don't know about that. Because

I kind of got, at the time when I watched the

original season one promos and trailers and stuff

for it, I'm like, this feels very sort of, but

not really, but kind of, this is us. And I don't

know if I can go through that. It is emotional.

It's one of those shows. Yeah. And I figured

it would be. But I don't know. Maybe I'll give

it a shot one of these days. What's the one series

cancellation that just destroyed you? Itch. One

season. I believe it was on Fox. I want to say

Fox. Yeah, I think it was Fox. I don't remember

even what year it was now. It got maybe 2015,

2014. I don't know. It was a while ago. And it

was a Dan Fogelman series as well. I think it

kind of hit the same time as This Is Us. kind

of around and i don't know if you remember the

series but it was about a the first female pitcher

in the first female like major league baseball

player and she was a pitcher okay and um they

did a lot of work to make it very plausible like

everything that they were saying could happen

it wasn't sort of like fantastical or over the

top it was sort of like really grounded. And

the characters were fantastic. The relationships

were fantastic. Mark Paul Gosler was the sexiest

he has ever been with this unbelievable beard.

The beard was so good. It's my favorite all -time

beard. That's a weird question. But if someone

ever, for any reason, and why would they, say

to me, what is your favorite all -time fictional

beard? And not a person who's... trying to help

someone not know that they're gay, but like an

actual beard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would be Mark

Wahlberg's beard. Sorry. Oh, where's my brain?

I don't think Mark Wahlberg can grow a beard.

I know. He looks like he can't. Yeah. And he

would look weird with one on his face, too. Like

very weird. But yeah, his character's beard on

that show, Mike Lawson was the character. And

it was he was kind of the star of the team, but

the aging kind of captain guy in his 30s. And

it was so good. It was such a good show. And

I was just heartbroken when they canceled it.

And it was one of those shows where people were

like, please pick it up and like campaigns and

campaigns. But it didn't really work. 2016, 2017.

Okay, so a little later than I thought. I still

think about that show constantly, and that's

one that I rewatch a lot. That's the interesting

thing about canceled shows is that they're easy

to rewatch. It's really hard to be like, you

know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go watch

all 10 seasons of The Office. That just feels

like a lot, and then you're less likely to go

back and watch any of it because it feels like

work. But a show that is short and sweet like

that, you're sad that it's gone. But then you'll

also go back and rewatch those episodes a lot

because it's doable. That's what I find anyway.

Yeah, absolutely. The reason people have watched

Firefly so much, you know. Poor Firefly. Yeah.

Oh, boy. I just, which I need to get this, well,

by the time this episode comes out, it'll be

out. But as of this recording, I just recorded

a... convention attention episode of Geekcast

Radio where my buddies were talking about Emerald

City Comic Con out there in Seattle, Washington

and how the convention had planned to do a Firefly

reunion thing and then everybody kind of canceled

it. I'm like, oh, so it's just like the show.

Yeah, fair. Just crazy. So I missed one folks,

but let's go back and do this. What is your favorite

run or story arc of a TV series? Oh yeah. I was

thinking about this one too. It's interesting.

I don't know that I really attach myself to specific

runs or story arcs that much or that stick out

of my mind. Cause I was trying to think like,

okay, like if I'm watching like Buffy or Gilmore

girls or like, what would some of my favorite

all time story arcs have been on those shows?

I have episodes, but I don't think really story

arcs. I think maybe the closest would be on Crazy

Ex -Girlfriend when Rebecca finally got diagnosed.

There was like a whole, I think it was season

three where she got diagnosed with borderline

personality disorder. And that was the arc of

like, okay, this person's not just quirky and

weird, but they're suffering from something that

has never been diagnosed that has affected their

entire life. And somehow we're going to make

it also funny. and musical, but it's, it was

so true to life. There was like a song called

My Diagnosis that is still just, I just think

is like brilliant. I really liked how they handled

that because they kind of set up the series,

not really knowing how they were going to handle

mental health and what they were, they knew they

were gonna do something with it. And they really,

that was like a really fantastic work there.

Yeah, absolutely. Kind of reminds me of Zoe's

Infinite Playlist or whatever the Zoe's Playlist

show was. Yeah, except that series used existing

songs. Yeah, true. The thing about Crazy Ex -Girlfriend...

Oh my God, I could go on about Crazy Ex -Girlfriend

forever, so I'm not going to. But what was fantastic

about it was that they were writing original

songs every week that were both parodies of genres.

So every song was a parody of a genre, but also

revealed... An original song. yeah original songs

but also the songs had so many layers to them

that it was crazy like you would it would be

okay this is a parody but it's also um revealing

something about the characters and it's also

making a comment on society at the same time

so you'd have a for example you'd have a show

a song called um Dream Ghosts. There was a song

called Dream Ghosts, which took place on a plane

and when the character fell asleep and she was

dreaming about these three kind of like soul

singers, very dream girls, right? And so it was

a parody of that kind of genre, like the sort

of the Supreme style kind of singing with these

three sort of soul singers. So parody of that.

It was also... advancing the plot because the

song was about the things that she was dreaming

about and her like anxieties and everything but

then they threw in stuff like um you know we

don't have dental it's like we're we're just

dream ghosts we don't have a good health care

plan or something like weird like layers that

were also making comments on like all of these

things about society and you're like oh man there's

so much here so much I feel like I just need

to, I feel like I've always wanted, if I had

to do a podcast on one show, it would be that

show. And I would just get in there because it's

just unbelievable. Yeah. Very cool. Very cool.

What is one TV show you can watch over and over

and over again? Sports night over and over and

over again. That is the show that I go to. If

I just need to. pick me up and i i want to binge

a series like it's sports night it is two seasons

uh it did sort of get canceled although it's

also kind of more like aaron sorkin was doing

that and the west wing at the same time and he

and abc kind of like agreed like he couldn't

he didn't move forward with it it was sort of

like he kind of half canceled it himself um and

uh That just is such a funny show, quippy writing,

great characters. And I don't like sports or

sports broadcasting, but I love that show. And

I could and have watched it over and over and

over again. Very cool. Very cool. Is there one

TV show that everyone watches or watch that you

just can't get into? Sopranos. I just, I don't,

I don't want to do it. I don't know why I feel

very stubborn. I, you know, it's funny cause

I feel the same way about the Godfather as a

movie. So I don't know if I just hate, like maybe

I'm just really stubborn about the mafia. I don't

know. But I just, I was like, oh, it feels like

it's like weird, violent show with guy I don't

care about who like, I feel like I'm not going

to like, and I just don't, I don't know. It feels

like a homework I don't want to do. Yeah. Yeah,

The Sopranos. Oh, Tony. It's a good... So I watched...

What was it? Where was it? Maybe it was on...

I forget where it was. They did a... Probably

on Max. They did a documentary recently with

David Chase celebrating... Yeah, it was last

year because last year is the 25th anniversary

of the show. Talking about everything and talking

about the late, great James Gandolfini and how

he portrayed that role and everything else. It

was a very interesting documentary, very interesting

revisiting the show through the documentary.

I haven't gone back and re -watched the show

in a long time. I think the last time I had seen

it was when I had it on DVD. And that was a long

time ago. I haven't had those DVDs in years.

And I like the show for what the show is. It's

not a bad show. I'm sure it's brilliant. It just

feels like homework to me, I think, is what it

is. It's just, I think, whenever I sit down,

I'm like, what do I want to watch? I'm like,

it's like an Academy Award winning movie that

doesn't interest me. That's how it feels like

to me. It's like I just, at least, but those

movies are short. They're like, oh, okay, I'll

sit through Oppenheimer. Well, okay, Oppenheimer's

not short. Oppenheimer's not short, no. It's

short, like, you know, relatively. It's one time

and you're done. This feels like, you know, it's

a brilliant series that as a TV fan, I should

watch. But I'm also like, I don't, I don't know.

I just don't want to. For some reason. I mean,

yeah, I get it. I get it. Are there any TV shows

you regret spending time with? I watched the

first season of Emily in Paris all the way through

with a friend on Zoom during the pandemic. And

when it was over, I felt like I came out of some

sort of weird trance that was induced by like

French accents and fashion. And then I was like,

what the hell did I just waste my time on? It

made me, I've never been more mad about like,

at the time I was kind of just watching it and

being like, sure, this is kind of silly, I guess

I'm wasting time, whatever. But when it was over,

I was like, what the hell? That was the most

pointless, pointless thing. And I hate everybody

in it. And I don't, it was just like, when I

think about future seasons of that show, it just

makes me so mad that they just hate it so much.

I just, I don't know. I felt like I got tricked.

And then I was like, damn you. I obviously should

have stopped watching after the first episode,

but I didn't. Also kind of Sex and the City,

even though I watched all of it because I feel

like I had to. And it was okay at the time. But

in retrospect, I'm just like, I don't like these

people. And they never really spoke for me in

the way that I think spoke for a lot of women.

I just wasn't as into it. And then sometimes,

even though I don't really regret spending time

on it until the end, I kind of regret it because

it made me so mad. game of thrones because it

you know like i as i watched it i enjoyed it

but now that i've seen how it ended it kind of

makes me want to go back and be like no i'm erasing

that from my brain because it's so disappointing

so i've said this before and i'll say it again

back in 2018 2019 hbo was doing uh we had we

still had cable back then when karen and i were

living out in gurney illinois and It's like,

oh, HBO, free weekend, you can actually watch

all of Game of Thrones up to the current season.

I was like, oh, okay, finally, I can actually

give the show a try. I was literally going to

give it an honest try. I wanted to see what everybody

was all up in arms about. Now, I went in open

-minded. I turned everything, I turned my phone

off, I turned... Everything, the only tab I had

open in my browser was whatever Xfinity tab I

needed to have open to get the HBO thing through

Xfinity, through Comcast. And I was like, okay,

Game of Thrones, season one, episode one, play.

For the first 12 and a half to 15 minutes, all

is they did was walk. I was bored out of my mind.

Yeah, I don't know. I really liked that first

season. It was a character show. They didn't

talk. They didn't do anything. They didn't even

brush somebody just got hit in the face. They

did nothing. That's a little bit of an exaggeration,

but yes, I see your point. It was very slow moving

as a series, for sure. Okay, I'm not expecting

1980s MacGyver Magnum. I know. It's a fantasy

show. I know fantasy takes time. I understand

that. They want to, I don't want to say pad out

the plot, but they want to ease you into it.

I'm sorry, 12 and a half minutes of walking and

not even talking to each other? I gotta look

back. I gotta look back too. There's definitely

not 12 minutes of no talking. it just felt that

way to me, but all they did was walk. And I'm

like, what, how did people get past this first

12 and a half minutes to get through the other

six seasons of supposed awesomeness. And then

after I stopped it, I immediately, I went onto

YouTube and I just went onto YouTube just to

get my YouTube subscriptions page up. And all

of a sudden here comes Sesame street. Would you

like to play a game of chairs? Yeah. The Sesame

Street game of chairs skit is better than the

12 and a half minutes of nothing that I previously

watched. Notice I said the 12 and a half minutes

of nothing that I watched, not. the entirety

of the series. I'm only judging. I'm sure that's

true. I want people to understand what I'm saying

as you're hearing my voice, people. I'm only

judging the 12 and a half minutes that I watched.

Not judging the rest of the series. And I'm not

going to go back and try to re -watch it. Just

how I'm not going to try to convince you to watch

Sopranos. Hey, if it's not your thing, it's not

your thing. That's fine. Especially now knowing

how it ends. What's the point? Everyone hates

the ending so much. I don't know anybody who

doesn't hate that ending. Not just the ending.

The entire last season was just a give up. It

was like, we're done with this. Let's just wrap

it up. Yeah, the last season was a little much.

Whereas the last season of Angel was awesome.

I love season five of Angel. Yeah. It was pretty

good. Personally, I kind of want to slay the

dragon. not fade away oh man i'm sorry though

that 100th episode you bastards oh yeah that

was hard yeah very hard do you have a physical

or digital media collection of tv shows if so

how large is it I still have my TV shows on DVD.

I last year went through and I got rid of most

of the cases except for the special ones. And

I put them all in like a booklet because it was

just taking up too much literal physical space.

But I don't want to get rid of anything just

in case. Well, who knows? I mean, sometimes things

come and go from streaming and not it hasn't

happened very often. But I'd like to know that

I could put in a DVD of something that I like.

I don't know how big it is. It's pretty big.

I would say, I don't know, maybe. 50 to 100 seasons

or something i used to have 360 something but

that was with my ex it was a combined collection

and when we split he got half of it or not just

half we kind of went through and decided who

bought this who likes this more he was you know

so he ended up with things i ended up with things

yeah and uh my husband has some but not very

many uh in turn he's a lot more movies than anything

else very cool very cool yeah My digital collection

is a lot larger than my physical collection.

Although lately I've been getting back into physical

media over the last three or four years because

have you people seen what they're doing to digital

media lately? Like, yikes. Yeah, I don't really

buy things digitally. I stream them. And then

unless it's something that I can't find anywhere

that I really want to watch. And I won't in that

case, I probably I probably wouldn't buy a physical

copy anymore unless it's like a collector's item.

But I will I will like I think I bought the whole

season of Heart of Dixie at some point because

I really wanted to rewatch it, but it wasn't

streaming anywhere at that point. And so I was

like, I'll just spend the money and watch it.

But I don't really collect them in that way.

And digitally, if I if I really want to buy it,

I would probably just get a physical copy of

it. Well, yeah, but I'm really starting to, even

though I still have all those streaming services

that I have, but if things aren't on those streaming

services and the only way that I have to get

them is physical media, you can bet your bottom

bippy I'm going to go out and buy the... Again,

folks, we're pre -recording this. You're going

to hear this at a later date, but as of this

recording, Warner Brothers and their infinite

dumbassery... removed all of the classic Looney

Tunes from Max? Like, really? Seriously? God,

now I gotta go out and get all the classic Looney

Tunes on physical media? Yeah, the strategy has

changed for what they show. You would think that

they would just have everything. I don't really

know what informs it, to be honest. I don't know

the metrics, so it's kind of confusing to me

because I would think just as a casual observer

without the financials in front of me. I would

think that just putting everything you own on

a platform, and at least if one person watches

it, but I think it has to do with, even though

they own it, they have to, in order to have it

streaming, I believe they have to pay certain

people, creators or whatnot, to have it up there.

And then I think that's what it comes down to.

As far as I can tell, stuff that people don't

watch very often, or that becomes expensive for

them. They just they disappear it, which is sad

because it to me, that is a sad thing. Like their

recent series that they made that they've just

decided, oh, it's not worth to even have this

on the platform. And one of the things I used

to love about streaming was finding these gems

that like. you didn't watch at the time like

i just watched the first season of commander

in chief with gina davis on disney plus and that's

something that like i just didn't watch at the

time and i was really into gina davis for a minute

there because i was listening to her autobiography

and i've always liked her but i was like you

know i don't want to go back and watch that and

i did but i think stuff like that's not going

to be as available anymore because i feel like

for whatever reason they've decided it's not

financially worth it for them unless it's really

getting a lot of traction so i don't know i know

it's all about the numbers it's all about the

money and I know Zaslav wants all the money.

I get that. But here's the thing. If you repurpose

the, specifically to the Looney Tunes, if you

repurpose that and you, like, the original Golden

Collection DVD sets from years ago, those are

obviously out of print. Those are astronomically

priced on eBay now. You can get them if you have

the money to spend for DVDs from 2009, 2010,

whatever. And that's great if you still have

those if you bought them when they were originally

on sale. But if you're not going to have the

catalog of essentially a Warner Brothers staple.

I mean, this is the Looney Tunes we're talking

about here. I don't think many people watch or

don't watch the dang things. Have them there

just because to preserve or release a new set

every five years. Release a new complete series

set every five, Blu -ray, 4K, whatever you want

to call it, 8K, 10K, 40K, whatever it is in 50,

70 years from now. Just keep releasing it to

keep it going, to let people know, hey, this

is what happened in the 1920s, 30s, 40s, and

50s, you know, back in the 19th century, kind

of 20th century, whatever. You know what I mean?

Like, I just can't believe. And that was one

of the biggest things. That was one of the reasons

why I originally subscribed to, at the time it

was called HBO Max. It's now just Max. But, like,

that was one of the things was, like, you can

watch all of the classic Looney Tunes anytime

you want. As long as you play, as long as you

pay for the ad free tier, I'm like, Oh, cool.

I'm like, I can watch cartoons. I haven't seen

in 40 years. Yay. Awesome. Unfortunately, I just

don't think they care. And I think that's the

way that's very true, which sucks. They should

care because again, that like, yeah, that's probably

not going to net them a lot of money, but like,

again, you see, that's the problem with streaming

services is the problem with any subscription

service, honestly. They're more trying to get

the new subscriber than they are trying to keep

the continuing. We need to have rewards for continuing

subscribers as well as like, it's like, oh, I

think lately I've been seeing, here's a free

promotion for Audible, $6 .95 for the first three

months. I'm like, okay, cool. I haven't had an

Audible subscription for... Couple of years now.

Sure. I'll sign up for six 95 and get three months

for the, for that price. That's fine. Great.

I'll probably cancel after the, after that three

months, but whatever. But like the point is,

how about giving us those of us who have had

Netflix for 20 years or those of us who have

had Hulu for 20 years or whatever it is, you

know what I mean? Like give the people that are

continuously paying your constantly raising member

fees. Give us the rewards. How about that? Yeah,

they don't do it. That's for anything. No, I

know. Unfortunately. Dumbasses. All right. So

was there ever a moment where you were like,

that's it. Turn it off. I'm done with TV altogether.

They didn't last very long. I think maybe a few.

Actually, maybe the 100th episode of Angel was

one of those moments because I was so mad about

that. I was so mad that they brought. Cordelia

back just for her to die. That made me very angry.

But it was emotionally impactful and it worked

once I stepped away from it. So I don't know.

The other one, you know, yeah, the season finale,

the series finale of Game of Thrones made me

so angry that I was very jaded about that because

it just was so pointless and it made me angry

to the point where I don't know if I considered

quitting TV, but I was very... Bitter and jaded.

And then the other one might be the season finale

of Lost, which I don't hate. And I do think that

upon rewatch and some time and a step back that

it is successful and it does what it needs to

do. But I think it was such an emotional journey

for me, that whole series, that when it was airing,

I couldn't even really finish it. I was just

too... like I was too upset by not even necessarily

what was happening. It was just, it just felt

like too much in the moment. And I had to like,

I literally had to take a couple of days and

then I wrote a blog about it at the time because

it took that long to settle and to really be

like, okay, how do I feel about this? This is

a conclusion to a series that has been like in

my life for a certain amount of time. And it

was very, like, I was very, it was sort of the

first fandom that I was living in real time with

people. week to week. And yeah, that was a heavy

one that I feel like kind of made me feel like

in that moment that I'm like giving up and then,

but I, you know, I always come back around. Yeah,

absolutely. All right. What are you watching

right now? And what do you think our listeners

should check out? Well, as I said, not as much

as I would like to be. I think everyone should

be watching RuPaul's Drag Race, which I am watching.

It's one of the things I consistently watch.

And that means, you know, whatever iteration

of that, because there's a lot of them. There's

Drag Race All -Stars. There's Drag Race. Countries

versus the world. There's Drag Race UK. There's

Drag Race Down Under. There's a lot. And I watch

them all because it's something my husband and

I do together that's easy and fun and interactive.

And I think everyone should watch them because

they're great. In terms of scripted stuff that

I'm currently watching, I do try to take a bite

out of a lot of limited series because it feels

like I can because they're limited. And you're

not like, oh, God. So Disclaimer is one that

I watched recently that I really loved on Apple

TV Plus. That was really good. I am watching

Shrinking and Abbott Elementary. I think those

are my two favorite comedies these days. And

then I'm fully working my way through For All

Mankind. I think I have one season left and there

is another season coming. That's another Apple

TV Plus series about fictional. what if the space

race looked different and what if our relationship

to space travel was more expansive and whatnot

and alternate history kind of series. I love

that show. I just think it's so good. So that's

something that I think everybody should watch.

Oh, and Paradise. I think I mentioned that as

well when I was talking about writing, but we're

watching that as well. And that's really good.

Really good. Very cool. Very cool. What is your

favorite TV show genre? Do you have different

types of shows for different situations, vegging

out, date night, family night, group watching,

that kind of stuff? Well, I mentioned that RuPaul

is the, I don't want to say date night, but it's

sort of like the together time show. That's RuPaul's

Drag Race. And I think overall, my favorite types

of shows are, I want to say dramedies. But what

I really mean by that is just so maybe maybe

shows that are either comedy or drama, but that

have a lot of elements of both. So like a strict

straight up comedy that's a sitcom isn't as appealing

to me as one that has a lot of gravitas to it

like Scrubs did or Ted Lasso and a straight up

drama. can be appealing but i i often like it

if it's a little bit more there's a little bit

more to it like if there's stylistic kind of

comedy writing like the west wing or or something

like that those are kind of my all -time favorite

like some of my favorite shows aren't that but

the ones that like the if i had to think of an

genre i think that would be a melding of those

two things is usually my favorite thing yeah

very cool very cool do you have a my parents

wouldn't let me watch that tv show story Yeah,

well, they had to approve kind of everything

that I watched up to a certain point. And so,

you know, like I said, we did the family nights

where we watched certain things together and

there were the sitcoms that they would let us

watch. And when I started to want to watch things

on my own, like not something that they just

stumbled across or that they put on in syndication,

they would have to generally clear it. So I remember

when I wanted to watch 90210 because people were

talking about it at school. I think I must have

been in, I don't know, maybe. I was like 13 or

something at the time. My mom sat down and watched

one episode with me and it was the episode where

Brenda gets someone robs the peach pit while

Brenda's working there. And she determined I

was allowed to watch that. But one show that

she never let me watch that people were watching

was Married with Children. She was like, no,

you're not watching that. It's stupid. And I

was mad about it at the time because I just felt

like other people were watching it. But looking

back, I'm like, yeah, no, that's the dumbest

show ever. Why did I want to watch that? I'm

glad she didn't let me watch it because it's

so, it's so sexist. It's so horrible. It's the

antithesis of everything I stand for. And I am

really glad to be fair. I did watch some of it

in syndication later and I would catch bits of

it at friends' houses, but my mom never wanted

me to watch it. And I'm now just like, yeah,

good going mom. Cause that was a terrible show.

It had its moments. You're absolutely correct.

I know people like it, but I hate it. I'm not

defending it. I, what I'm saying is that I think

that it's better in Instagram reels than it is

in watching full episodes. Cause lately I've

been, I, I Instagram real doom scroll sometimes

and certain clips will come up. Al was savage

for this, or we can't believe Peggy said this

kind of thing. And it's, you know, one of the,

not necessarily most famous, whatever out of

the show, but it's like, Anytime he goes after

Marcy. Or anytime he says something about Peg.

Or anytime Peg goes after. Says something about

him. Or whatever. It is what it is. Funny writing.

Yeah. It reminds me of Family Guy. In the sense

that. I don't know whether they're trying to

be ironic. Or they're trying to be subversive.

But at the end of the day. When you're watching

it. It really just comes across like a sexist.

club who hates his wife uh the women are shrews

or you know like ridiculous like i mean ridiculous

and or slutty or it just everybody is a it's

it's just a very kind of gender normative like

sexist crap fest and again i have had people

argue many times that it's trying to be subversive

and i know family guy is trying to be subversive

but i don't care because at the come across that

way to me it just comes across like oh i get

it ha ha you know like i don't yeah yeah bugs

me i think where and i i'm not a family guy fan

at all i don't dislike it but i've never watched

the show all the way through but i've seen plenty

of clips and i think where family guy for me

like where i enjoy it is like the the parodies

that they do like i again i keep seeing some

of these um some of these Instagram clips where

there's a clip where Seth is on the, on the Graham

Norton show. And I guess Tom Cruise is there

too. And, and Graham asks him, didn't you do

taken? Didn't you do? He go, Oh yeah, yeah. But

we did taken as Kermit the frog. So Seth goes

into Kermit the frog and he starts doing the

taken speech to Tom Cruise and Todd. So it's

that kind of stuff, but I'd never, I don't know.

yeah i don't know i grew up as a kid watching

my again my mom is one of those moms where she

knew i knew because she taught me the right way

of tv is fantasy tv is fiction tv isn't real

it's perfectly fine if you watch this idiot white

guy with his hand down his pants and the fact

that he's a shoe salesman which is nothing wrong

with that job but you know whatever so it is

what it is but Yeah, I was never going to aspire

to be act how Al acts. Oh, no, for sure. It's

just that stuff kind of... Yeah, absolutely.

All right, folks, we are going to be entering

the TV fantasy fun land. All of these answers

are made up and the points don't matter. Yes,

I stole that. But this is fictional. Anything

that's said here stays here, even though it's

on a podcast. So it doesn't really matter at

the end of the day. But if you could own any

house or pad in a TV show, whose house would

it be? I was thinking about this, and I don't

know. I've never really been attached to that,

but I feel like I watched the two seasons of

Loot recently, and she's a billionaire, and she

does have a really cool house. So I'm going to

go with that because it looks like she's got

a lot of stuff, and it looks fun. Very cool article.

Whose wardrobe would you want to steal? maybe

Zoe in heart of Dixie. Uh, yeah, that's kind

of my vibe. I take, I steal her stuff. Yeah.

I mean, it's like, again, it's like, I know I'm

not into like the super crazy stuff, like the

Emily in Paris stuff or the, the sex in the city

stuff. Like I just, a lot of crazy over the top

stuff. Yeah. If you could live in any TV verse,

which one would you live in? I am going to go

with crazy ex -girlfriend because I want to,

sing about my inner trauma and my inner feelings

constantly. That would be amazing. I would love

to just have like songs constantly about depression

and, and the, you know, mental health and, and

like the traumas of childhood. I just think that's,

I think it'd be great. I would love it. That's

I want to do that every day. Oh, very cool. Who

would be your top three TV characters? You'd

want to join you in a friend squad. For sure,

Lorelei Gilmore, because I want to hang out with

her all the time. And then Paula from Crazy Ex

-Girlfriend, because she is a crazy, loyal, diehard

friend who will do anything for you. Crazy, illegal,

all kinds of stuff. And then Veronica Mars, just

because I feel like she could solve all your

problems. If you were like, oh, can you fix this?

She would do some research and create a plan.

She's cool and quippy. Absolutely. reminder folks

this is the tv fantasy fun land the answers are

made up and they don't matter so you ain't married

if you could date any tv character who would

it be it would probably be luke daines i think

i think he's just really the ultimate good guy

who's actually a good guy you know i mean all

the the the characters that i'm attracted to

on tv the ones that are in my ships the ones

that are most of the time are like oh are people

you would never want to be in relationship with

in your life. Like I, I mean, I am I'm a huge

Sawyer stand from loss, but like, you don't want

to date that guy. What? Not really. You know,

he's got a whole bunch of stuff that he like,

you know, the sexy bad boys with the heart of

gold, they're meant for television, and they

serve a place and they're amazing. And it doesn't

make them bad. They always end up being good

people. But They would not make very good boyfriends.

That's for sure. So yeah, Luke Danes from the

Gilmore girls is kind of like, he is a, he's

a funny guy. Yeah. He wouldn't let me use my

cell phone, but he would like make me hamburgers

and stuff. So, you know, it'd be cool. Yeah.

I'm into that. I'm surprised she didn't go really

old school folks. Brandon or Dylan? God, no.

Neither of those weirdos. I never really understood

that at all. Ew. No. I mean, especially not Dylan.

I guess, well, see, now Dylan, like, now. But,

like, at the time, I was like, this man is 30

years old. I can see that. We can all see that.

Like, what is happening? You know, it wasn't

really... Yeah. For sure. And any of those shows,

those people are always terrible boyfriends because

shows that are about relationships, generally,

they're just cheating on you constantly and hooking

up with new people. And like, it's just it's

yeah, it's a lot. Very true. The only other two

I would think of is it would be a very weird

choice. Charlie or Bailey. Matthew Fox or Matthew

Fox. Who are those people? Wolf. Scott Wolf.

Yeah, I don't know. I was not, I watched party

of five. I was not into either of them or really,

I was one of those shows that I think, because

again, it was, we had cable and it was connected

to other shows that I watched that I watched,

but I was never really like super into it. I

don't think. All right. Well, final choice. Angel

or spike. Absolutely. Angel. I don't understand

people's look. Spike is funny. He is. That character

arc has always bothered me because it goes against

everything that makes sense in the universe.

It doesn't. I don't like it. I don't understand

it. I think to me, Ultimate Spike is season four

Buffy Spike, where he wants to be mean, but he

can't because he isn't able to. So he's just

kind of neutered, but he's around kind of helping

out kind of against his will. But he's so funny

and such a kind of a jerk. that to me is ultimate

spike where he's just kind of like, you know,

an ass hat. Yeah. That is forced to help them

out. Yeah. I enjoy that. I don't, I don't understand

this Mooney, this Mooney spike. I don't love

it. I do love like villain, villain spike from

season two and three, but I don't like Mooney

spike. I don't like spike with a soul. And I

don't think the soul thing makes sense because

I don't like how he's not evil without a soul.

That's stupid. And jealous is, Angelus is either

Angelus or he's Angel. He's either evil or he's

not evil. Where is this in between thing? Yeah,

exactly. It goes against the entire concept,

the entire vampire lore that they have set up.

And they only did it because Spike was popular.

And I don't like that. That bugs me. That's my

little Spike rant. But no, I don't think he's

that attractive. And like the actor's fine and

he's cool. But like, no, definitely Angel. Yeah.

Although neither of them really. I mean, if I

had to pick anyone from the Buffyverse to date.

That's a good question. It's actually a very

good question. Yeah, Oz is a pretty good boyfriend.

That's fair, but I think it would be gone before

they ruined him. Wait, when do you think they

ruined him? Season 5. Lawyer? Really? Not because

he was a lawyer. Okay, so it was the end of season

4, beginning of season 5. Not because he was

a lawyer, but they turned him into... something

different like there was that whole i really

like i am this is unpopular opinion folks but

i love red and gun i thought that was a fantastic

pairing that was unusual wesley was the obvious

choice and i loved how they made she chose gun

instead yeah because it was this different pairing

and they were really sweet together but then

they just tanked that relationship without any

really a lot of thought it kind of they just

i don't know i think it was like once joss whedon

got back involved with the show a lot more he

wanted wesley and fred to be endgame that's my

guess yeah and and i understand that they did

make it sweet in the end but i always felt like

they did a disservice to that fred and gun connection

they just kind of that thing with his professor

where she could never trust him again because,

or because of what he did. And he did that for

her. It was stupid. I didn't like it. Made me

mad. Now we're just getting out all of my anger

about different things in the Buffy verse. Let's

just end this episode on that. But yeah, I, I

really, so yeah, I really liked like gun season

two, three, kind of four pre the end of the Fred

relationship gone. I thought, you know, it's

fine. I just, I didn't like certain things. They,

they kind of made him like more morally. schmucky

and a little bit like i liked him as a lawyer

that was a cool idea i just didn't like how it

just made wesley this like paragon of like virtue

which was weird and i i didn't like it yeah yeah

i think i would choose gun yeah very weird very

very weird yeah yeah spike the best i think the

Best lines Spike ever had after... Like, for

me... And yeah, folks, I know we've gone into

Buffy, Angel, Fine, whatever. Honestly, it's

getting my brain cells working on things here.

You don't want to know. Not yet, anyway. But

honestly, I stopped watching Buffy... Was it

the end of Season 3 when they graduated high

school? Yeah. Yeah, that's when I stopped. I

never went back. Really? I never went back. I

switched over to Angel. I saw certain episodes

here and there, but I never watched it to follow

along with the story. I eventually, I did see

the series finale because you have to kind of

watch that to see the end of it. But for me,

the best lines that Spike ever said after his

season two, season three stuff in Buffy. was

when I got to season five of Angel. Oh, hey,

boss, put another car in the drink. Spike, get

out of here. You're, you're, you're, you're,

don't say it, Spike. You're a bloody puppet.

Yeah, oh my God. Fucking love smile time. Smile

Time is one of the best episodes of television

ever. And that's how I feel about some of the

stuff they did on Angel. And Angel season five

in general, I love the concept of. But there

were things I didn't like. I didn't like the

inclusion of Spike. That didn't mean that he

didn't have episodes that he was good in. I felt

that was simply a weird fan service. Like, oh,

this was a really popular character. He still

wants to do this character. Buffy is over. Let's

bring him on to Angel. I thought that was cheap.

And I also thought it undercut Angel. I felt

like Angel, that is his show. And I felt like

it was sort of this weird. weird thing. Like

I didn't like it and I didn't like what they

did with guns character, but there were lots

of fantastic moments in season five. And I think

overall it, it was a really powerful. Yeah. Folks.

I don't know if she's going to be up for it,

but I think I just talked myself into spending

the next two hours creating a Buffy and angel

list. Oh God. Maybe another time. I would love

that. Well, no, I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying

me, not you. I'm saying literally taking the

next two hours, making a list and figuring out

whether we're doing it by season or by episode

or whatever. And just it's one of the things

I made my husband do when I met him because he

had never seen any of it is we slowly watched,

I think, from from 2014 when we started dating

until I think we finished. uh, just before we

had our first son, 2019, we did all of Buffy

and angel kind of, we would do like a season

at a time, take a break, go back. Um, because

I just, I don't know. I feel like maybe that's

like a requirement for, for dating me is you

can't be in a relationship with me and have like

never seen this. At least you don't have to like,

he liked parts of it. He just, you know, he's

not a huge fan. He enjoyed parts of it more than

others. Um, But he has to at least have that

in his vocabulary or it's like he's not speaking

the same language as me. So the other thing I

thought of is even though it's technically not

canon, if we do go down this road, folks, we

have to start with the movie first. It's a movie

in and of itself that is amusing, right? It's

different. I don't hate it. No, I don't hate

it either. Anyway. All right. We are now exiting

the TV fantasy fun land. Is there any storyline

or subject or something you're dying to see more

of on television? I don't know. I don't think

so. I mean, I like where television is going,

I think, for the most part, which seems to be

the opposite of where humanity is going, which

is more diverse characters, characters of all

different. genres, a ton more television that

features lead characters of different races and

different abilities, more juicy roles for women,

more roles for women of certain ages. I will

say I like this evolution, and that's happened

mostly through streaming, of shorter seasons

and limited series. I think that that... has

given television more teeth and more interesting

content for sure. More of that. Yeah, I don't

know. There's nothing that I'm like, I have never

seen this on TV. I think also there's so much

on television that there's probably a ton that

I hate that I just don't watch. And then there's

a ton that I love that I do and a ton I haven't

discovered yet. So I feel like there's just a

lot and I don't know that there's anything that

I'm missing. Like I can't think of like, I've

never seen a show about this or yeah. Yeah. The

discoverability is, is enormous, especially with

the internet, especially with. All of the streaming

services, whether it's a new TV show to you,

whether it's a new TV show specifically to like

2025, 2024, whatever, or whether it's an old

TV show that, again, whether it's new to you,

even though it's an old show, or if it's an old

show you're going back to, you can still, like

I said, my buddy Dave and I are going through

all of Columbo, all 10 seasons. And after that,

we've got other ideas that we're going to be

doing. I think we've even mentioned it on the

podcast. He's a big fan of Homicide Life on the

Street. We're going to be doing that. That's

a show I should watch at some point. Yeah. I'm

going to be doing, we're also going to be doing

Diagnosis Murder because I was a huge fan of

that. Oh, my God. That's like my grandmother.

Yeah, I remember watching Diagnosis. Yeah, anything

with like. Diagnosis murder. And what was the

other one? It was, it was Matt lock. Yeah. Matt

lock. Oh God. Yep. Yep. Absolutely. You got the

lawyer and the doctor rolled up into one. And

the people from that she was in love with from

her generation. She was just like all about that.

Yep. Yep. Yep. I like the lawyer better than

I like the sheriff. I'll tell you that folks.

Old Andy's better than young Andy. Yeah. There

you go. There's a hot take folks. What was the

other one that she used to be? Oh, Rockford files.

That was the Rockford files too. Jim Rockford.

Yep. Yep. Yep. What is the one piece of advice

you would give the TV watching fandom in general?

I mean, I don't know because it's so large and

diverse. Like it's hard to say, you know, like

what watch TV. I don't know. Yeah. Maybe, maybe

it's just, maybe it's just, and, and take recommendations

from friends. I think that's always, I think

sometimes, you know, especially now when a lot

of things, they are discoverable, but there's

also an overwhelming amount of content. Yeah.

Like take chances on shows that are. quirky or

small that someone who you think who you trust,

do you think might have the same taste as you

recommends to you? You know, that's how people

watch Ted Lasso, right? It's not they watch Ted

Lasso, not because everyone was like, let's go

watch Ted Lasso. They watch Ted Lasso, because

someone watched Ted Lasso and then went, this

show is a cupcake and a teddy bear, all in one.

And I've never felt so happy watch the show.

And then people were like, okay, yeah. And then

the next person was like, why do I why do I want

to hug this show? It's just something special.

It's a special experience, right? Like that's

how shows like that get watched. So just continue

to watch those shows and then tell people about

them. Yeah. I would also say on any of your streaming

apps, folks, if you're looking for stuff, if

you don't know what you're looking for, use the

genre tabs. Really? Yeah. Okay. Use the genre.

Go to the action tab, go to the comedy tab, go

to the drama tab, go to whatever tab you want

to go to and just cycle through those and discover

them that way. Honestly, sometimes Instagram

is the best way to discover certain things. If

I wasn't already kind of sort of paying attention

to some stuff that Tim Allen does in his career,

I think it was Instagram is how I found... Hell's

name of the damn show. The new show. Oh, God.

I just had it. Is it Shifting Gears? Yeah. Shifting

Gears is Tim Allen's new comedy. I had no idea

Tim Allen was still doing things because our

algorithm is different. Yeah. Just started it.

Plays this. It's him and Kat Dennings. Great.

It's just started. It's first season's got 10

episodes. I think they're up to episode four

or five. I could be wrong. I think it's on Hulu.

It should be. I don't know if it's on Hulu in

Canada, but it's on. We don't have Hulu really.

We have. Okay. Well, you have Hulu somehow, some

way we're not going to talk about how you have.

No, I actually, I don't, I don't. I mean, like

we don't, I don't know. Cause most of the stuff

that would be on Hulu would be on Disney plus

here. Yeah. I'm sure that's, yeah, that's probably,

it's not quite the same, but yeah, I don't think

it's the one, you know, and that, or some of

it might be on crave. I don't know. Yeah, it

might be. I can usually find most things that

I want to watch. Yeah, absolutely. It is. It

is. There are a couple of things that I will

search for. Like I did, I did. I got a subscription

to city TV for like a week at a time just so

I could watch found, which I haven't watched

second season of yet. which also has Mark Paul

Gosler also in a beard. So there's a thread.

The truth is if you're going to have a show and

it's got Mark Paul Glosser and it's, and he's

got a beard, I will watch it. That's it. So that's

like, that's the thing you can put in a show.

If you're like, how do I get this person to watch

the show? Just give Mark Paul Gosler a beard

and I'm in. Yeah. So the only way you're going

to get her to watch saved by the bell folks is

if you draw. a beard on her television every

time i've seen save by the bell but yeah yeah

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be getting back to the Fast Saga. This will be

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where John Cena comes into the franchise as Dominic

Toretto's brother. So there's that. For now,

I am TF2 and Mike with... Jennifer Kaufman. You'll

hear us back in the studio soon. Hello, folks.

TFG1 Mike here from the Geekcast Radio Network.

Well, there you go, folks. The debut of Origins

in television watching, Origins in TV watching

with Jennifer Kaufman. Oh, boy. Well, that's

the launch, folks. Origins in TV watching is

here. Inside Studio 2009, only on the Geekcast

Radio Network. I am coming to you live, sort

of, kind of, not really, but it kind of is live

because I need to tell you that everything I

just said in that outro about what's coming up

on the podcast has completely changed because

we recorded this episode months ago. We recorded

this at the beginning of 2025. And it is now

practically the end of 2025. So yeah, we are

still doing Fast and Furious 6. That will be

the next episode. After that, Steve Megatron

and I recorded an episode for Idiocracy in November.

Since November is kind of practically almost

here. We are going to be doing a discussion.

Steve and I are going to be doing a discussion

on the new Eddie Murphy documentary that's coming

out on Netflix called Being Eddie. After that,

Steve and I have to do something else for 154

for the podcast. And then in December, you're

going to get 12 Months of Star Wars, A Disturbance

in the Force, and then the Andor Season 2 discussions

that David Draper and I did earlier this year.

2025 has been rough, folks. It really has. It's

been lots and lots and lots and lots of setbacks

for me. So I didn't get to do everything I wanted

to do this year with the podcast. There were

so many 25th and so many 30th and 35th and 40th

anniversaries that I wanted to get to do. And

I don't know if I'm going to get to do them before

the end of the year. I'm going to try my best

to get to these, but I just don't know. I honestly

just don't freaking know. I also wanted to launch

the new series that I've pre -recorded, that

I have plans for, that I'm not announcing just

yet. But we've got a lot of pre -recorded content

that has already been recorded, that's been recorded

for months. And I can't just release it because

I have it set at a certain episode number. And

I'm an anal retentive podcaster. I've been an

anal retentive podcaster for almost 17 years,

coming up December 12th of this year. And yeah,

the podcast numbers are going to be going into

the episode descriptions. I'm not going to have

them in the title anymore because Steve says

it doesn't work with SEO anymore. And that's

fine, but... Folks, I'm sorry. I'm doing the

best I can. I've always been transparent with

you guys, and everything is coming. Everything

that we've already done, everything that we've

already prerecorded, it will happen. It's just

taking longer than I wanted it to. And the only

reason why it's taking longer than I wanted it

to... is because I had to have ulnar nerve and

carpal tunnel surgery on my left arm. And my

left arm is the only good arm I can use in life.

For those that don't know, for if this is your

first podcast episode ever, I was born with cerebral

palsy on my right side. I have no actual use

out of my right hand. None whatsoever. My right

arm is essentially a crook. By that I mean I

can put... A cup in it. I can put a can of soda

in it. I can put a box of Kleenex. A thing of

paper towels. I can hold stuff with my arm. But

I have no actual dexterity or function out of

my hand. So when my left hand got injured earlier

this year. When I hit my elbow against a wall

or something by accident. And it screwed up my

ulnar nerve. everything went to hell. And I had

to have surgery on it, which basically put back

and pushed back everything here for Studio 2009.

That's the only reason why I'm saying any of

this stuff, folks. But you all know that I'm

very honest, and I do reveal some of my personal

life stuff to the audience. But yes, this was

Origins in Television with Jennifer Kaufman,

episode 150. As I've mentioned before, Steve

Megatron and I launched Studio 2009, I believe

it was June 20th, 2020. 6 -2020. So, yeah, in

six years, we've reached 150 episodes. Very,

very awesome. I have plenty of plans to get us

way more episodes down the line. And if the plans

that I have now, if I have to delete the whole

thing of it being a 20th or a 40th anniversary,

I'm still going to cover those films, but I'm

still going to try like hell to get as many episodes

out as I can between now and December 31st. Studio

2009, I've gone a little crazy with, as you can

tell, folks. There have been some times where

Studio 2009 has been daily. That has been my

dream since day one when I started the TFG1 podcast

back in December of 2008, was to have a daily

podcast. Granted, it wasn't recorded daily. It

wasn't edited daily. Granted, it wasn't recorded

daily. It wasn't edited daily or anything like

that. But once I got all the production done,

I could then release it daily. And we've done

that with Columbo. The two seasons of Columbo

that Dave Draper and I have recorded so far.

We do have the third season recorded and ready

to go. I just have to edit it and all that. But

I hope you all enjoyed the new entrant into the

GCRN origins. The origins in television. 30 questions

about your TV watching habits. I have plenty

of guests coming up for the origins in television

series. So there's that, folks. Thank you again

to everyone who has listened. You all mean the

world to me, so thank you so much. And, yeah,

tune in next time for The Fast Saga. This is

part, what part is this? This is part five. This

will be Fast and Furious 6 from 2013. Coming

up next, here inside Studio 2009, only on the

Geekcast Radio Network. Talk to you later, folks.

Oh yeah, and unleash the geek in you.