2014 Oscars Recap

Hi, this is Lauren Lester, and you're listening

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up on MWR Weekly. Hello and welcome to my weekly

the movie podcast dedicated to the movie week

that was I won your host Dan Clark and Joining

me as always is Kevin optimus solo. How's it

going? It's going great And joining us today

also again. They were on a previous episode I

believe when we talked about the Hunger Games

and they're back again for our special Oscar

edition DJ and Matt DJ. How's it going? I'm just

glad to be back. I'm glad you lowered that restraining

order you have And Matt, how's it going? It's

going well, but the restraining order is still

on me though. I think I'll have to talk to you

guys later about that. I think you got it mixed

up. I think it should have been him, not me.

DJ and Matt, I brought them simplistic reviews

and like I mentioned Lost Poundcast, if you have

not, check out their blog and their website and

I'll make sure to include all that in our wonderful

show notes. As I tease today is this little special

episode as the Oscars just happened literally

moments ago. So we'll be discussing that and

a little bit of a shakeup of a format here. Normally

we talk about what we've been watching recently

and then we move into movie news and then our

main attraction. But we're going to actually

flip the script and start with our movie news.

And as we start with movie news, we get into

the box office first and foremost and some interesting

things happen in the box office. If you look

at the top that films that came out this year

the impossible happened Liam Neeson beat Jesus

Maybe actually surprisingly maybe the more surprising

thing was that Liam Neeson beat the Lego movie,

but non -stop came in at number one in the box

office with 30 million dollars followed closely

by Son of God and then the Lego movie still up

there with 21 million and routing out to top

five is the Monuments Men and the Kevin Costner

wannabe Liam Neeson movie Three Days to Kill.

Crank with the daughters. So Kev, I'll just start

with you. Are you surprised that non -stop did

as well as it did? I am not surprised that Nonstop

is number one. I am more surprised that LEGO

Movie is number three. I figured when it did

drop, it would just drop to number two. I guess

I never considered the fact that two films could

beat it. And I'd be interested to see what kind

of maybe foreshadowing that is for the possibility

that Noah and Exodus could both do well in the

box office I'm not trying to compare all three

films besides that they're all based on Bible

events etc but out of the three of them Son of

God looked like the weakest out of the three

just because instead of covering one story it

was literally trying to cover an entire lifetime

of stuff which seemed like a weird undertaking

so I'm more surprised yeah that that did as well

as it did so that Lego movie dropped down to

three other than that there was a lot of a lot

of expectedness on the box office where you see

once again for probably one of the final times

all of the Oscar films got one more bump as people

tried to view them before the Oscar reveal. So

almost every film that was nominated for something

had at least a minor spike at the box office

again this last week. How about DJ yourself?

Are you a little bit surprised about how the

box office turned out this past weekend? Not

Liam Neeson. I agree with Optimist there. The

Son of God movie, I remember, I forget when me

and Matt went to go see it and we saw the trailer

for it, I think it might have been Wolf of Wall

Street, and we're like, this looks like an asylum

version of Passion of the Christ. I'm like, didn't

this movie come out like six years ago? And then

I thought, well, Spider -Man has another movie

right after another movie, so why not Jesus?

But yeah, Lego movie. I'm sorry more the looks

of like a mini -series Yeah, the history channel

series I just didn't I first off I didn't think

Liam Neeson I thought Liam Neeson would be Lego,

but I didn't think it was you know Super beat

I thought be like a couple million but man for

Jesus to even sneak in there It shows whether

we are as a country. We're really trying to repent

us whatever method of Jesus we can get to as

quickly as possible Well, I mean, you don't want

to be smited by God if you don't watch his son.

His son is the best actor in the history of the

world. What a catch line. It's like watch this

movie or you're going to hell. What's better

than the actual catch line, which was like, I'm

coming soon. At the end of that movie which was

like funniest thing you've ever said I want that

poster I want the poster with that written by

Coming soon that was literally how they would

end it I'm like that just seems I don't know

if they were going for the intentional joke there

would it felt like they were but uh A little

room shot at the end. They're like, oh Jesus

you're such a joker I Do have to bring up a couple

things I noticed we may have seen the biggest

drop that we've we've talked about in on a weekend

so far in 2014 because one of the things I usually

do is see what place they were in last week and

what place they're in this week and yeah you

know I know three days to kill went from second

to fifth and you have like you know endless love

going from 9th to 12th not not anything like

major but if you scroll down a bit a winter's

tale was 10th last week It is not even I believe

in the top 30 this week It dropped over 20 spots

an eighty eight point seven percent Drop which

means it is at 12 million against a 60 million

budget. Oh, man And the cameo of that film got

to be the main dude at the Oscars today. Yeah,

so there was definitely, like we talked about

every week, some definite fails so far this year.

Jack Ryan is probably in its last, about its

last week and it dropped over 10 spots as well.

So quite a bit of some films falling off the

radar, so to speak. And then on the other side,

Lego Movie did eclipse the 200 million mark.

So as Dan and I predicted our top 10 box office,

For 2014 that looks like Lego movie has a legit

shot at crack in that top ten Before Matt did

anything you wanted to touch on with the box

office before we move on to the headlines? No,

I mean echoing a DJ and in Kevin's comments.

I mean, there's nothing really I said I mean

I am a little surprised that non -stop didn't

get the bump it did I guess there's still Liam

Neeson is still a draw surprisingly. No particular

set of skills He does have a very particular

in the air like that yet Isn't Lapita Nwongo

in that movie? She, I think she is. She loved

her as 12 years a slave. They're just going to

have to keep finding, they realize with Taken

and Taken 2 and Taken whatever other ones they

made that, you know, they had to change up the

environment. So we're soon going to see him underwater

and then eventually in space. Oh, please come

in space. Please put Sam Neeson in space. Taken

by sea, taken by space. Taken on space. I don't

know who you are. I don't know what you want.

If you let my moon go now, that'll be the end

of it. It's got to be Aliens next time. Oh, God.

And the last thing for the box, I was just keeping

you up to date and we'll move on. But so far,

your top five for 2014. The LEGO Movie still

reigns supreme at number one, Ride Along number

two, Monuments Men number three, The Nut Job

four, and RoboCop still clinging to the fifth

spot. Better alive. I'm not watching that So

the nut job has made more money than Robocop.

Yes That's fitting. That's fitting All right,

Kevin. You want to take us down the headlines

for this week? Sure. Let's go We're gonna do

a brief brief headlines. So we have some more

time to talk about the Oscars But we do have

about four or five stories. We want to touch

on real quick. First of all a headline coming

from Sony And we always try to work in some comic

book and some Star Wars into our headlines, and

it's chock full of it today. So first one is

Sony wants to release a Spider -Man movie every

year. Yeah, so that is the headline coming out

that they literally want it to be almost like

a bond type thing or like something like well

bond doesn't even do it every year, but as you're

trying to compare it to but a spider -man film

every year building on you know with a signature

stick six and Venom and spider -man and are they

absolutely crazy guys? Oh, jeez, it'd be nice

if Sony wanted to make a good movie every year.

Yeah They don't care. They have the property.

All I got to do is make the movie. So when it

comes to the quality of it, shrug, Mark Webb.

As my heart would read for comment, DJ Valentine

shrugged and went, Mark Webb walked away. They're

just trying to cling to whatever Marvel stuff

they can still cling to. Well, it will continue

to make money as well, because it is Spider -Man

and kids love Spider -Man. And it's just kind

of the way it is. No, Bully for Sony. They got

the property that it could be Spider -Man versus

Puff the Magic Dragon. Kids will go watch. They

don't they don't care what the plot is, who's

starring in it. Just show me the web and him

swinging with a red and blue outfit. And you're

going to get two hundred million dollars automatically.

So quality gone. Especially once a year. Can

you imagine the scripts for those films? The

scripts, they write scripts, scripts. index of

course the writers for all those romance novelists

that write 300 books a year JD Robb anyway moving

on to a different headline we've talked about

this a while back towards the end of last year

actually when we discussed a little bit on the

Steve Jobs movie that came out last year that

there was obviously the other one that would

be coming out eventually And it looks like Sorkin

has got David Fincher in line, possibly to direct

the other Steve Jobs films. You know, we were

already kind of speculating that the Aaron Sorkin

version would be the better of the two. But does

David Fincher possibly being involved with that

clinch that up, Dan? Fincher and Sorkin together?

Yeah, definitely. I mean, the thing that you

automatically go to is the social network and

be like, well, just do what you did there. So,

yeah. And the fact that, you know. What's his

name the dude from that 70 show can't even think

of his name? I'm guessing they won't get him

to play though. He honestly did better than I

expected right but that movie overall wasn't

all that great But yeah, that to me has me more

interested especially with Sorkin behind it and

Fincher. So How about you guys what do you think

about? Any movie with Fincher and Sorkin, I have

to watch. I'll watch whatever they work. If anything

they do separately, I'll probably pay attention

to. If they work together, that's automatically

got my money. Yeah, it's a done deal. I mean

like you were saying to give and then the social

network you automatically go back to the social

network and I think they could even make this

the Steve Jobs movie even darker than the social

network and I think Steve Jobs is a little more

cutthroaty growing up like in that Silicon Valley

type of state of mind with the You know the whole

Microsoft and versus IBM and Apple thing So I

think they can make it really dark and maybe

not so gritty but with Sorkin doing the writing

and Fincher shooting it I think it could be really

interesting to see total 180 from the Ashen Kutcher

job show. Alright, two more headlines and then

we'll do two casting calls here. Another headline,

I don't know if you guys might have missed it,

we briefly briefly mentioned the possibility

of this film being made a while back, again probably

towards the end of last year. For those of you

that didn't know, Masters of the Universe film

is supposedly in the works And when we talked

about it last time, it had the connection of

John Chu as the director. Apparently, there is

a new short list of directors being put together

here. And the names being thrown about by Sony

for the director of the Master's Universe are

Harold Zort, Jeff Wadlow, Chris McKay, and Mike

Cahill. Zort had done Sony's Karate Kid reboot,

as well as the Mortal Instruments. I don't know

if any of you guys are familiar with the names

being thrown about there. Do any of those names

excite you or does this film even need to be

made? It doesn't need to be made, but they're

going to probably do it. And they've been trying

to do this for how many years now? It's a long

time. I mean, wasn't John Boo attached to it

at some point back in the mid 90s or early 2000s?

But I don't think it needs to be made. But I

mean, if I was going to pick anybody off of the

list they gave me, which is not a great list,

I'd probably pick Wadlow. I mean, he did do Kick

Ass 2 and drove that into the ground. But I...

Think he might he is very very enthusiastic,

you know director as these guys it seems like

it's I mean I saw Mortal Instruments and I Don't

know if I actually came out of that theater.

I might still be in there somewhere It's a type

of film doesn't does it even matter who directs

it? No, the people that are gonna go see it are

gonna go see it no matter what Yeah, you're talking

about 80 million dollars with the people. Yeah,

and the other people are You're just gonna stay

away from it. Anyway, so it does you know, nobody's

gonna expect it to be Something epically like

well done. They're gonna expect it to be epic,

but not really well done Dan thoughts on the

Masters universe I was never a big Masters the

universe guy growing up. It just never I don't

know. I missed that so I Don't know. I mean he

could have At least have the capability now from

a visual standpoint in a technological standpoint

to to at least make it look good, I guess. You

think the original didn't look good? Well, I

loved your original. How can you drop off Lundgren

and Franklin Jell -O fighting in the middle of...

You're not talking about the characters, just

for the movie. Anyway, pretty coxed. I mean,

I don't know. I do love fantasy films. I wish

we had more fantasy films. So in that end, I'm

like, OK, maybe. But yeah, it's... It's to me.

It's just it's just a property They're trying

to make into a movie that they clearly don't

have that much care about They're just like people

like this in the 80s. So they'll go see it now.

So we'll make it into a movie You guys have seen

the funimation of the universe I mean, I see

it every week because we're we do a podcast.

We're actually reviewing it currently. Oh, yeah,

you are. So you know that if you I wanted to

stick to the source material, don't stick to

the source material of the universe. Funimation.

The only thing they need to stick to is the characters

that already exist in that universe. Don't create

new ones. Use the ones you have. My only intrigue

on seeing that film outside of just nostalgic

reasons, I guess, would just to be see just to

see what. They would do with Skeletor and how

they would make him look most intriguing part

I was like the Cartoon Network version that he

man were of Skeletor. He was Skeletor, but he

wouldn't like He wasn't such a coward sometimes

like, you know what? I'm gonna fight him in right

now, right? Funimation when he was always running

he was always leaving the one on Cartoon Network

cells. I was like nah, I'm gonna whoop your ass

All right, and the other headline coming out

is about a sequel possibility Apparently Jeffrey

Katzenberg is promising another chapter in the

Shrek franchise This to me reminds me of like

the Final Destination franchise when you even

start naming movies as your last film like the

Final Destination and then there's immediately

another one I don't know how many times they

can make it seem like they're done with this

before they continue to try to milk this franchise

I don't need another Shrek. I don't know about

you guys. Mike Myers needs another house though,

so The other one only got 239 million, so the

last one only. That last one was bad. That last

one was bad. It was the love guru of Shrek films.

It was just like, okay, the jokes have run out.

They're using the same jokes again. It was great,

the first movie. It was good, the second movie.

It was tired. They're going to be. I mean, that

horse has been beaten and it's dead. You don't

need to go do something else original. According

to the article, the franchise overall is sitting

at a total box office of two point nine billion.

Yeah. So they need this to break the three billion

mark. Oh, OK. Well, they have a goal. At least

six more movies. It's a series. And the only

other things we have before we're going to get

into our Oscar talk are just two quick casting

rumors here. Like Dan teased in the intro, a

name being thrown around is the possible villain

in Star Wars Episode VII, and the name being

thrown around is Adam Driver to play a Darth

Vader -esque figure. He's currently on the HBO

series Girls. He's appeared in Lincoln, Francis

High, Inside the Lynn Davis in minor roles there,

and that would be the first cast member to officially

sign on outside of all the expected returns of

people from the original trilogy. Any thoughts

on him? as an individual involved or any thoughts

on just all the different rumors that we've had

about Star Wars? Are you just tired about hearing

about rumors and you just want to wait and see

what's real, Dan? playing these games, but I'm

kind of glad we actually have a name now. In

Adam Driver, I have never really watched girls.

I watched a little bit of the first season, but

when I heard this news, of course, seeing inside

Llewyn Davis, that's my first thought was like,

I guess he is getting shot in the outer space.

He might be able to do the Darth Vader voice

without the actual mask. He could just do it

himself. He is that deep. voice from that song

I think he could be a good actor like I don't

have that much experience with him, but he does

have like a Look to him. He clearly has a control

vocal chords in some interesting ways I could

do some fun things, but I don't know to me. It's

like give me actual characters Who is he gonna

be some people mentioned him being like one of

the solos or something like that? Possibly I

don't see him as like a lead character because

he's not necessarily like that classical good

-looking type of guy So I don't know. I don't

know. How about you guys? I think it all matters

if they're using the extended universe and if

they were I got really excited because I heard

that oh They might be using Hugo weaving in the

throng series. Like oh, that's awesome. Perfect

you were weaving and saw Wars even we can do

no wrong anywhere and I heard about Adam driver

and I was like unless he's playing Jason solo

I don't see him as a big I mean I'm really trying

to avoid another snot -nose whiny villain guy.

I don't want to have another Hayden Christensen.

These guys have got way more talent than Hayden

Christensen, but I got my fingers crossed that

they're going to do something different, or at

least go back to their roots, because whatever

blueprints the prequels did, just stay away from

those blueprints. Do whatever they did, do the

complete opposite of what those did. Yeah, I

mean watch having watched girls just for pure

morbid curiosity at this point the character

he plays on girls is I don't see it feeling it

fitting into a dark a Star Wars type Character,

but I mean this is Abrams and Abrams does have

a habit of taking people You would not think

it all would belong in a film take Chris Pine

as Captain Kirk I wouldn't have taken him as

Captain Kirk in a million years or Carl Urban

as bones. I wouldn't have taken any of these

people in those roles. However, you look at it

now, they're like the iconic look of what people

think of Star Wars at this point now almost.

So I mean, he could be good. I think he might

be able to go dark places. He kind of goes into

dark directions sometimes on girls with the way

he acts. But I don't know, it's interesting,

but it's good to actually have a name that might

be associated with this film for once. So but

the shell game is firmly in place by Abrams.

So we won't we won't know probably for about

another few months. Well, as the credits roll,

we won't know the credits rolling. Oh, by the

way, the guy was in it was in that costume. And

in one of the, I'm gonna go right out there and

say that I'm actually kind of excited about this

casting. I'm usually not excited when I hear

casting call, rumors, et cetera, but we're talking

about Jurassic World and the person who has signed

on as the quote unquote bad guy, if you're not

counting the dinosaurs, obviously, if they can

be called bad guys. Is Vincent D 'Onofrio from

Law and Order, Fame, and a lot of other stuff?

I think this is a perfect choice as kind of that,

I mean, if we're basing it off of the Jurassic

Park films we've got before, we're going to guess

he's going to play some type of person who's

trying to make a buck or who's trying to, you

know, use this to his advantage. That kind of

a bad guy role, not necessarily like a, you know,

a killer or something like that. So anybody excited

about Jurassic World or that thinks that this

adds or lessens the excitement about that? Start

with you, Dan. I mean, Vincent D 'Onofrio is

an interesting actor. One thing he does need

is often a strong director behind him, though,

because he can kind of get off the rails rather

quickly and go really big and overly big. But

I don't know. In Jurassic World, I'm bad. curious

about but to me it's like we haven't really gotten

a really great Jurassic Park movie since you

know the original so I don't know I don't really

want another Jurassic Park movie but if we're

gonna get one at least I like the director that

they're that they're getting behind him and so

far the What they've cast is interesting and

don't offer you out at least brings an energy

to the film for sure and maybe If he did they

say if he's an actual like on screen or if he's

doing motion capture because that would be hilarious

Dinosaur I'm a big fan of Denarfeo since Private

Pile. You're right, Dan. He can go walking on

you, but I think if you ran him in, he can do

some good stuff. At first, I was kind of, when

I first heard about this, I was like, no, leave

Jurassic Park alone. Third one was bad. But when

they got Chris Pratt, I was like, okay, all right,

maybe I'll see where this is going. I'm going

to be actually optimistic here. Usually I'm very

pessimistic when it comes to these things, but

I'm going to be optimistic about Jurassic World.

How about you, Matt? I'm fine with D 'Onofrio,

whatever role. I can see him maybe filling in

the kind of like Dennis Nedry role or something

like that, like a sniveling little kind of scummy,

try to make a buck for himself type of guy. But

I think he has better acting chops than Wayne

Knight, so I think he might be able to take it

to a darker role. I mean, he's no Newman, but

you know, who is? If they have that, that would

be awesome. I mean, it's almost like you're talking

about Shrek. It's like, okay, does Shrek need

a fourth movie? Does Jurassic Park need a fourth

movie as well, too? I don't know. It seems kind

of cash grabby. I mean, Spielberg doesn't really

have a lot to do with it this time, if anything,

this time. The director intrigues me because

it's the guy who did Safety Not Guaranteed. It's

kind of interesting where they're going with

big blockbuster movies, taking tiny indie directors

to take on these huge franchises. But when it

goes to the Denafrio, I like it. Once again,

it's another cast that it's another, hey, this

guy might be in the movie. It's not like the

Adam Driver one or anything, but, you know, it's

good to get buzz out there and have people like

us talking about it, I guess. All right, Dan,

that does it for the news for this week. I'll

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Alright and welcome back and today was that infamous

night in Hollywood where we celebrate You know

the rich and famous about doing their awards

But the Oscars happened, of course the 6th annual

Oscars And I was just curious before we get into

the nitty -gritty of who won and who lost what

you guys thought of the actual Oscars presentation

how Ellen did and how all that other Craziness

and how that all occurred. What do you guys think

of the actual show itself? I'm going to be a

little bit more PC than my compadre here. You're

not going to get that out of me. I remember last,

was it last year Seth MacFarlane was hosting

and Matt was really down on Seth MacFarlane.

I could have swore Matt, you said, I hope they

get Ellen back or something to that effect. I

don't think what? I don't know. Maybe you did.

Maybe I imagined that. Maybe I said Billy Crystal

maybe. I think you said anyone and Mark, you

should have been careful what you wish for because

if you love Ellen, you loved it. If you don't

really have much feelings for Ellen, you hated

it. There's a lot of like awkward meandering

jokes. I wasn't a big fan of her hosting. Before

we get to the max, I think we have an idea. I'm

curious, Kevin, what did you think of Ellen's

hosting abilities? Well, I think you got to take

it, I don't know, I guess I don't take it as

a whole necessarily. I'd probably break it down

and separate it out a little bit into the introduction

type stuff. Because you have each person and

they do their spiel at the beginning almost like

a late night talk show where they kind of have

their monologue, et cetera, and they're opening

jokes. And then you have the actual show. And

to me, those are two very different things. And

I like different stuff out of the like for the

opening monologue and jokes, etc. I thought she

was fine. You know, I I think there's a little

more liberty to be had in that segment of it.

But I think once you get to the actual show,

I'm not looking for the jokes to continue that

much. Thank you. Unless unless something happens

over the course of the show and. As a comedian,

you want to live in the now and make fun of that

or point that out or if there's an awkward moment

and you want to address it or do something like

that, that's fine. But otherwise, do your funny

stuff at the beginning and then let's keep the

stuff moving. Quick. Keep it quick. Introduce

your people and go on. I mean, yeah, a couple

of times she was funny throughout the show, but

there was a lot of things that the jokes went

on way too long. There was a scene, there was

a part where she's literally walking down the

aisle saying, hey, what's going on? Hey, what's

going on? Five minutes. Even some of them, if

they would have been a good idea, they just went

too long. You know, the whole pizza bit was too

long. The whole taking, you know, pictures, selfies,

Twitter was too long. And nobody cares about

that stuff. So. You know if you're gonna make

a quick joke during the show, that's fine If

you're gonna react to somebody who just gave

a crazy speech or something do it Or you know

someone falls and you want to make a joke about

it, whatever But otherwise keep the jokes to

the beginning. That's what everybody wants them.

That's when you point out, you know I wish I

almost wish that we I know they can't do it because

the Academy's always putting on but I almost

wish that the opening part that the host would

Pay more attention to like You know snubs or

or you know point out stuff Like that. I wish

they would do a little bit more of that or, you

know, I like the ones that are a little more

hard on people. Keep the jokes to the beginning

and then, you know, let's keep the action going

throughout the rest of the show. So, Matt, on

to you, what did you think of the show? I mean,

I won't be as mean as everybody thinks I'm going

to be. I'm freak out or anything like that. I'm

not going to turn a wire or anything like that.

I think we're at a point now after the Seth McFarland

debacle or what everybody thought was a debacle

last year. I mean, personally, I wasn't a huge

fan. I'm not a huge fan of the guy. fan to begin

with, or Seth MacFarlane fan. But I feel the

Academy said, OK, we got to do a squeaky clean.

We have to clean this up. We can't have boob

jokes. We can't have Nazi jokes. We can't have

any of these other jokes. So let's be very social

media friendly. And let's do selfies. And let's

do this. And let's talk to people. It's like,

look, Ellen, this isn't, I'm not going to curse

on the show. I promised myself I wouldn't. But

look, Ellen, this isn't your effing talk show

on daytime TV where you exploit small children

and now you're exploiting. actors are already

being exploited you don't have to have to exploit

them any further than they already are but it

just like like you were saying Kevin the jokes

were going on way too long the pizza joke to

me it's like okay actors are humans too they

eat pizza they're not throwing up their food

and stuff like that to me it just I'm not into

that cutesy comedy. I want something edgy. I

want Chris Rock back. I want Ricky Gervais to

host a show and drip on people the entire time.

I want Billy Crystal. I would like the Billy

Crystal opening monologue to be where he puts

himself in the movies and he's starring in the

movies with the other actors like he used to

do back in the day. I don't need all this pseudo

cutesy Ellen DeGeneres. So, to answer your question,

no, I did not like Ellen DeGeneres at all. Overdone

and annoying. That being said, she still will

not go down as the worst host of all time. No,

she definitely will not. James Franco, I guess.

He still holds that pretty good. I would take

James Franco again. Yeah, I'm going to have to

connect. A sober James Franco? No, I'd be the

hunk of Franco. He's an alien? You're telling

me you're not watching an Oscar hosted by him

as an alien character the whole time? Be awesome.

Look at my Oscars. I got Oscars, seven different

sizes, seven different categories. That's what

I want but the echo what you guys are saying

I'm I'm I'm there with you like I think they

had these ideas and then the writers were like

I would be hilarious if we ordered a pizza and

Like yeah, it'd be really funny. But then it

just went on for way too long and then they Joked

about it beginning with like oh, we're gonna

do it. Oh, look it we're actually doing it We

talked about it and we're actually ordering a

pizza And it was just, I don't know. And then

they collected money later for it. It was a joke

that came back like three or four times and it

wasn't funny the first time. They did it like

this, like Matt is right. I remember when, was

it after Janet Jackson, like with the nipple

thing at the Super Bowl. And then the next year

they had the most conservative halftime show

ever. I think after Seth MacFarlane, they're

like, you're right. I think they just like, let's

get Ellen back and let's make it as Disney as

possible. This is the Disney network. Let's make

it as clean, cut as possible. And we'll have

her changing clothes with a scarf. That's funny.

It was very get on with the awards already kind

of thing. And beyond just that. Oh, go ahead.

Beyond just that, like that whole Ellen thing,

like the whole theme of the night, which I don't

even understand why they do themes. It's like,

you're the Oscars. That's your theme. They're

like, oh, it's like a tribute to heroes. And

none of those, to me, really made sense in their

categories. They're like, oh, this is a category

of the most popular heroes. And this is a category

of the cartoon heroes. It just... That first

one I did, I absolutely had no idea what was

going on. I literally had Jim Carrey come out,

talk about animation. And then they showed like

all this cliff about all these animated characters.

And then we went to commercial and I was like,

what? Yeah, there were some weird montages throughout

that kind of stumped me a little bit. I feel

like I missed the memo. Yeah, it was great music.

I didn't know what the montages were for, but

I was like, all right, I get to see Incredibles

for like five seconds. It was all about random

inserts of. montages songs and different you

know things that I'm just like yeah and there

might have been a theme but good lord they didn't

do a good job putting that together no and it

didn't really make sense and and it just it was

just so randomly awkward and pointless and didn't

really do anything at all awkward humor that's

the whole night was awkward humor does oh hey

I'm gonna sit and lies in Nellie's lap and take

a selfie Because why is it awkward? Because I

made fun of her five minutes ago. It's like,

what's a selfie? It's like, all right. Show me

who won best director. I don't really care what

Liza Minnelli's dress looks like. I don't. When

you say best director, that really got me at

the end, too, because I felt there was so much

of these awful jokes crushed in the beginning

that they zoomed past. Like Daniel Day -Lewis

came up and was like, I'm here to present best

actress. Here they are. It's like, OK, thank

you, Daniel Day -Lewis, for saying five words

to me. Five words, the greatest American actor,

the greatest actor of our generation. To me,

that's a flaw in a lot of different productions

that we have, not just the Oscars, but a lot

of the stuff. Even like if you want to talk about

reality shows, do it too, where they draw everything

out. So much and they waste so much time during

the body of the show that when it gets to the

final part Which is usually the most important

part. It's like we got 30 seconds. Here's what

happened. Goodbye. And it's just like You know,

that's this you can draw that out more like we'd

rather see more of the end and less of the middle

speeches you're gonna cut off speeches from people

who work their ass off or Years four years of

gravity is one of them because you did a pizza

joke too long. That's right And that's what was

happening at the end, you know, Daniel Day -Lewis

didn't have any time because he probably knew

he had, you know, they were coming up on the

top of the hour and they were already way over.

So I don't want to talk anymore. Going back to

the host real quick, I just wanted to, you know,

as much as people, and I'm not saying Seth MacFarlane

did great or anything, but as much as they'd

rip on him, you know, they had 40 million viewers

last year. Which outside of the year that Steve

Martin Alec Baldwin did it back in 2010. That's

the most viewers they've had in almost a decade

Yeah, so I don't know what they're looking at

because If you look at the last like 10 to 15

years and the people that have done good as far

as drawing in viewers I'm not saying it's all

drawn based on who the host is going to be. Sometimes

it's which films are out, et cetera. But Seth

McFarland had over 40 million. Like I said, Steve

Martin and Alec Baldwin. And then before that,

it was Chris Rock and Billy Crystal, the only

ones that were going above the 40 million mark.

Ellen only did 39 in her last time, which was

just under. But John Stewart didn't do good either

of the times he was on there. So I don't get

if they're not looking at the numbers or what.

And just, I don't know. I don't know. Who is

it? Your guys is like, you said you like Chris

Rock or Billy Crystal to be the host? You know,

you know who I heard was somebody was saying

on Twitter that there'd been a great person to

host. Kevin Spacey as Frank Underwood will be

the greatest host of the Oscars ever. He can

talk about anything. I'm like, all right, great.

That's perfect. I'd be way more entertaining,

I think. I would argue, like, I think you don't

even need a host. I mean, I know why they do

it, but or if they hadn't. Well, back in the

day, they used to do lots of people, like, there'd

be like six or seven people as just like a group

that were doing it. Like a rotating, like a troupe

of people that would come out. So yeah, if you

look back in like the 70s, you know, like I'm

just pulling up one of them. Like the one was

Sammy Davis, Bob Ho, Frank Snatcher and Shirley

MacLean. Like all four of them just kind of did

it. One year is Warren Beatty and Jane Fonda,

Richard Pryor, you know. And so I mean, I don't

know. I think it's gotten to this point where

we only pick one person, but sometimes the picking

just seems bizarre. I think, I mean, they should

get Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, they got Jimmy Kimmel

in their back pocket! To me, he can give that

edge. I think he also knows how to handle that

group. I think a lot of times people get kind

of intimidated or they don't know how to joke

around in stars like that. Yeah, Ellen's kind

of famous, but I think, you know, her comedy

has a certain... certain mode to it that either

you find her funny or not But I think Jimmy Kimmel

can at least do interesting things and he knows

how to hold a room like that I don't think Ellen

does per se she doesn't know how to I don't know

I to me she just Like I felt like she didn't

even want to be there. Like I don't know like

something about her just felt like she was I

don't know if she was trying to evoke Franco

or what but I think it matters what you're looking

for in a host. Well, I mean for me I'm looking

for quick keep it quick and entertaining. Ellen's

humor doesn't lend itself to quick. It's all

long setups for jokes. Yeah, it's almost like

a sketch comedy show. Yeah. So when you're on

a show that it's got a notorious reputation for

running long, you don't want a comedian whose

jokes are long. You want a comedian who's just

throwing out jokes, joke after joke after joke.

That one's not funny. Here's a funny one. Zingers,

zingers. Zingers, quick ones. That's why I say

Gervais because Gervais can go, he can insult

like seven people in like five minutes. And I

think too what a good remote as far as me personally

I like to see like to have that relationship

where it's almost like someone from the outside

who is not roasting the people, but almost more

of that feel. Like it's someone, you know, you

have this huge, you know, high class, everybody's,

you know, dressed fancy, it's all Hollywood people.

You know, I almost want someone like, you know,

who's a little bit distant from that, who can

almost just like roasts the people in a way on

real quick type things and, but keep it moving.

Cause that way it's not just like a glorification

of themselves. Yeah, if you get like an actual

like movie star quote unquote That's why I'm

against you know, like the James Franco and Hathaway

like, you know Hugh Jackman did it the one year

I don't think that was a good choice and you

know Stay away from that and give me someone

more on the outside Conan somebody who cut when

Conan hosted it with even one like Your base

I think he does the Golden Globes When John Stewart,

those guys, that humor that they do where it's

very fast and lends itself to long award shows.

I hear Jay Leno's available. Oh, Jesus, no, no.

That is safe. That's as safe as they could have

gotten. How can we make it safer than Ellen?

I got it. I got it. I got it. Eureka! All right,

so we kind of knew how we kind of feel about

the actual presentation But you know that kind

of presentation is just in the way of the actual,

you know who won who lost so Starting off with

some of the small stuff before we get to the

big stuff Any awards the guys feel you wanted

to touch upon the ones that you felt like oh

that was a snub or ones that you felt like were

Downright just ridiculous that comes to mind

Well, I mean, there was, to me, sitting through

about the first half of the awards, maybe almost

the first two thirds, I was like, are we gonna

have, it seemed like, I don't do the Oscar pools,

but it seemed like it would have been an easier

to do them because there was hardly anything

that was going against what was being predicted

or what we thought. I don't know if it's just,

there's not much secrecy anymore and people just

know the winners or if it's just easier to predict

this year, but it was a long time before one

that I was like, oh. I was wrong with who I thought

was going to win. So it was almost a year for

me that was almost predictable outside of a few

things later on which were a little bit closer

to call. So yeah, I don't think there was anything

that like super duper surprised me. Okay, great

gas. He was like the first one was like well

great gas. He won something They don't want another

one in the 22 words. Yeah, that was that was

like the first time I was shocked But every you're

right everything else up to that point was like

very okay. All right I mean I might not have

expected gravity to win every Technical award

But you know, it doesn't surprise me that they

want you know, the only the only I guess smaller

I don't if you want to call smart, but I was

Don't know if I want to say surprise because

when it comes to documentaries and Oscars, it's

why I get surprised because they're notoriously

Pretty horrible at choosing winners, but the

fact that the act of killing lost to 20 feet

of stardom Which is a movie I can't really judge

because I haven't seen it but like the act of

killing to me is just you can literally argue

that as the best movie of the year on different

levels and again it got it didn't win and it's

just It's obvious because it's a sad film and

it's a sad film. They weren't happy this year

for a lot of these categories. 12 years a slave

one. But when it comes to documentaries, it says

when I saw that, I was like, wait a minute, you're

telling me. I think foreign film wasn't the.

Yeah, I can't remember the name of the great,

the great beauty. Yeah, it's more happy than

the rest. Yeah, I was like, well, the hunt's

not going to win this because the hunt is not

a happy film. and documentaries the same way.

It's like the act of killing. I think the Academy

was just playing it really, really uplifting

when it comes to that. I do love to watch people

that you're watching the show with. If they don't

know who all the nominees are, the reaction when

they got to the best makeup and hair styling

and Jackass came on. What the hell was this?

I'm sitting here and I'm like, I'm like, there's

no way a movie called Jackass Academy Award nominated.

It's not bad enough that they could only come

up with three nominees for that, which to me

is. bizarre, like it's best makeup and hair styling.

You couldn't come up with five nominees. Yeah,

it's a little shocking with that three. I mean,

I don't know if it's just because we've gotten

so CG and everything like that that nobody needs

makeup or styling anymore or something along

those lines. I don't know what it is. Yeah, it's

like, oh, digital. It's like, well, OK, I guess

visual effects. I will say the one that surprised

me, I guess, if you want to break down the gravity

award showcase. You know, film editing and visual

effects doesn't surprise me, cinematography doesn't

surprise me. I'm a little, I don't know, I don't

agree with the nominees for best original score

in the first place. Just because it's just weird

that, for example, Inside Leland Davis is not

in there. But for Gravity to win best original

score, I would be thinking, you know, if they're

already getting all those other awards, that

would have been one place where you could have

probably spread the love to. films that I don't

know like I didn't go I didn't come out of gravity

thinking oh my goodness the music was great I

thought oh my goodness the you know the cinematography

and the you know the visual effects for me and

I don't even remember any of the music that was

in the film honestly so I don't know I just it's

competition though it's competition was really

I mean I picked gravity score to win I and I

do like that score I've been watching that movie

recently a couple times so I got to hear that

score in its entirety because like Zimmer and

you just mentioned before weren't even in it.

Yeah, Lou and David wasn't even in it. It's almost

like, well, price is the best of the options

we got left because I could have made an argument

for. Obviously you have John Williams doing one

of them so he just automatically gets one I thought

it would have been more interesting like you

know if you would have asked me to list the the

people that were probably potential nominees

for best original score before I saw their list

I would have you know saving mr. Banks and inside

the Lynn Davis would have been the probably two

of the first ones that came to my mind But yeah,

I don't think like, I don't know. The score for

Saving Mr. Banks, it's more about the songs in

Saving Mr. Banks and the score. I don't remember

the score rarely in that film. I remember the

songs that she sung with Bradley Whitford and

them, but when it comes to the score, I don't

know, maybe because a lot of the stuff that's

in Gravity, that's not the sound effects, everything

else you're hearing is the score. It's essentially

making the atmosphere of that movie. as why I

went for price because everything else doesn't

seem like it was good, but it wasn't like, I

don't know how many people watched the book thief,

but the score, it wasn't really anything that

I was like, oh my God, this must win. It wasn't

out of John Williams's will house or anything

like that. You kind of knew what you were probably

going to get with it. John Williams woke up one

morning and he just got something real fast.

Here's your score. Get out of here. Regarding

the score and gravity Kevin I can see what you're

saying like walking out that first time It's

not what you really noticed but I saw gravity

again last night and I rewatched it today with

my wife, because I wanted to see it before the

Oscars. And when we were watching that, I didn't

really notice that score so much more. It is

a really vital part of that movie. And you realize

you don't even notice it because it's so intricate

in how it's placed that you think it's the sound

effects, you think it's just the normal things

that are there just because of how it replaces

the lack of sound. So I actually... I don't know

if I would call it the best course. Certainly

not my favorite, but out of that list, though,

I really love the score of her too. I think that's

really alright. If there was no gravity was going

to lose out of pride gone for her because her

is probably the best like because gravity, the

way they use the score for gravity was more to

enhance the film. It's got more than just it's

pretty music. It's literally a tool. And her

seemed more as artistically, I think her was

more of an artistic score, a traditional score.

Gravity score, just watching the making of that.

Like a driving score that's like the baseline.

Yeah. But I do agree. There's a great deal of

nominations here that could have gone, like even,

you know, anything from Hans Zimmer last year,

the fact he got nothing. Soldier's a slave. You

could have had that there. Soldier's a slave,

and Man of Steel, or even Rush. That was pretty

good. ridiculous. Kevin, I cut you off. You were

saying something. Oh, no, I was just, if you

guys have more thoughts on the score, I was just

going to touch on a couple other categories that

kind of the only other ones before we get into

like the main, whatever you want to call it,

10 or 12 categories. Not that this was a surprise

at all, and this is exactly how I expected it

to go, but I was happy just because I can jump

on the bandwagon, I guess, that I jumped on with

Frozen that I was glad that I got both Best Original

Song and Best Animated Feature. I think that

was well deserved. EGOT, EGOT, EGOT Award. Yeah,

that's amazing. To see somebody get an EGOT.

EGOT, that's wonderful. Tracy Jordan. Tracy Jordan

Award. But along with that, and you guys can

give your thoughts on the animated feature film

category and the original song, but along with

that, the performances throughout the night,

you know, obviously we got the performances of

all the best original songs. We also had the

Bette Midler performance and the pink performance

you know we talked a lot about the the host etc

but what about the actual music that they had

throughout the show are you guys a fan of them

doing the songs or doing some of these other

musical numbers along the way or do you think

they shouldn't be done or what's your guys opinion

sorry with DJ I love them when they do the the

scores I mean this I mean it Pharrell and pink

which I thought pink was Amazing. I always get

her name wrong from Frozen. I don't even know

if you said, I don't even know who's coming out.

I don't know. But yeah, I felt like it was going

to throw her off the whole time. Like, let it

let it go. But no, no, the whole song backwards.

But no, I like it when he's going I thought all

the songs are good bet Miller was even great.

I mean yeah i mean the thing about it is like

should i be clapping because this is a memorium

and i was like i guess the way they did it was

that's the first time they've done that right

where they have somebody sing at the end of the

first time i remember it's yeah they did it uh

they did it in one of the previous ones i don't

remember what it was because i remember seeing

it like a year or two ago where i was like oh

that was kind of interesting i kind of waited

till it was done then they did one and i thought

they did it once during uh When somebody's singing

during it, right? I would have to look at that

But I agree. I thought most of the songs were

pretty good. I thought most people were on top

of the game. I thought obviously Idina Menzel

was going so hard on that song that she almost

lost. She almost lost it at the end a little

bit. She needed another break. I heard that voice

crack. She's like, oh my goodness, I can't believe.

I mean, this is a Broadway star. And she's probably

like, whoops. But I thought all that was good.

I thought Pink did really well with that random

Wizard of Oz. tribute. People forget that, man.

They can do all that stuff. Yeah. But, Dan, what

do you think about the performances? Do you like

that they do that, or? Yeah, I think so. It's

weird, because the one year they didn't do it

was when the Muppets got a nomination, and then,

so I don't know. Yeah, I think it's good. It

adds a little bit to the show. And especially

if you're watching with people who are not diehard

movie fans, I think they can kind of get interested

in that, especially when they're actually good

here. And this year worked out pretty well because

the people who were nominated were literally

like rock stars or Broadway singers. So you had

strong talent. The only one that didn't, I think,

really work that well was the moon song, though

I liked it in the movie. Just that performance

was just a little bit. It kind of reminds me

of the Juno song. Yeah, when they performed it

anyway, not the song in general. But I think

I think for it to work, first of all, you have

to have a good nomination class for best original

song. And number two, you obviously have to have

everybody available and willing to do it because

it always sucks if you only have like, oh, here's

two of the nominees that are actually going to

sing here. But I think it's too it's cool, too,

because you get to see like the movie star world

or the acting world. uh... react and respond

and and you know clapper stand innovation for

you know rock stars broadway stars center so

it's kind of a cool little crossover and um...

that i enjoy uh... met you didn't get your thoughts

on the on the actual performances yeah i mean

i i like the performances i mean uh... as far

as the moon song goes i think it was really out

of place compared to the other ones even though

i do enjoy this song and i like her no one i

like uh... uh... the the singer from vampire

weekend and everything but it just seems And

it seemed to go by really quick. It was like

a minute and a half of, okay, that's a filler

song almost. It just seemed a little awkward,

but I really like Pharrell. I think his performance

was a lot of fun. I liked how he... got in the

crowd and, you know, you had Lupita like kind

of twerking a little bit and stuff like that.

I thought that was interesting. You know, so

I thought that was a lot of fun. And then you

had some of the act like Jamie Foxx was on the

stage dancing around and it was fun. Like it

is in the brown hat works in the black hat. And

so I can't get enough of that hat. So I'd rather

have a couple of minutes spent with with these

performances than than, you know, I needed jokes.

Yeah, that's another pizza joke. Right, so I

don't mind the performances, it breaks it up

a little bit. What about, you kind of mentioned,

I know we're kind of going off key here, but

I want to give you guys' thoughts on the memorandum

piece in general, because honestly I don't know

what about it. what it is about it for me, but

I always look forward to that piece. I forgot

Dennis Farina. That's what pissed me off. I mean,

I like to see it because I like to, you know,

obviously it's number one just to be reminded

of it and just to take a second. But they've

done it different over the years. And sometimes

they will actually play clips from the films.

Sometimes it's just the pictures like they did

this year. Usually in the past, they're allowed

to react. It seemed like they started to react

to that. Nobody was clapping or anything. It

seemed like they were dead silent. Yeah, well

they clapped at the very first one and it was

like they almost put like a huge sign up in the

whole place that we couldn't see that said shut

up. Or they killed the mic. Yeah, respect the

dead. But I don't mind that they actually react

to it because I don't know, I kind of like that,

but I like hearing, I like it better when they

actually play some clips from those people's

movies and they spend a little bit more time

actually showing us, you know, obviously they

can't do that for the, you know, the cinematographers

and the makeup artists or whatever, but when

they have those big time actors, that have, and

we lost a bunch of them this year. I almost like

hearing a little clip from them. I think they

take out the clap. I think they started taking

out the clapping. That's like how they don't

say the winner. It's not like a popularity contest.

Yeah, that's why. Are you clapping because he's

dead or because you liked him a lot? Or one guy

gets like five claps and this other guy in the

next thousand. Like who cares about the executive?

No, I like it when they play the clips, especially

when you know It would have been so awesome if

they had a play the clip from Philip Seymour

Hoffman or Harold Ramis or even even Paul Walker

I'd rather see them in the pictures because I

Felt like there were so many of them that died

recently, you know Like you like the ones that

you just mentioned that I was almost felt a little

wanting more like I don't know if I needed someone

to actually like give like a little Quick not

speech, but give like a you know, all we got

was Bill Murray Just trying to forcefully get

in Harold Ramis thing, which was good and you

know, yeah I'd enjoyed it and what not but I'd

almost you know liked it and if you're not gonna

play a clip or something Just give me a little

bit more. I mean, this is huge people in your

industry, you know in you know that the Academy

has recognized over the years wherever that we've

just recently lost and just I don't like the

feeling that it just kind of got breezed over

but maybe Blanchard was gonna say something about

Philip Seymour Hoffman but I know she was probably

so under the gun because I know in recent like

award shows that they've shown up her and Amy

Adams they they've always brought up Philip Seymour

Hoffman and Amy Adams especially I think she

was like really close with him And I know Cade

Blanchard was close with him, too. So I thought

when she was giving her speech, she would say

something about him. But she didn't. But the

closest we got was Bill Murray throwing in it,

which I thought was awesome. So cool. Bill Murray

being Bill Murray again. Bill Murray being Bill

Murray. We give, you know, we give the speeches

for the people that are winning the awards and

this that and the other. So I don't sometimes

I feel like, you know, why not give a speech

to someone who you're you're not, you know, who

have lost. And it's kind of like your last chance

to give them like a send off. I don't know. I

just would rather get a little more acknowledgement

for that. But that's just me. Maybe that's what

they felt they did. Oh, Ben Miller sings a song.

So there's your send off type of thing. Or what

they could have done is when then when she was

singing, they could have turned on, you know,

some clips without sound. Yeah. So. That would

have been a great idea. Like I said, that's just

my personal life. I like that segment for some

reason, but I don't know. Maybe that's just a

history of dealing with loss and needing to see

that a little bit more for closure. But I was

sidetracking us, and we can get back into some

of the main awards. We talked about a lot of

the technical aspects. We're getting into the

directing and the pictures and the acting awards.

Dan, where do you want to go with that? Well,

I figure we can start with screenplay. With Adapted

Screenplay being, with 12 Years of Slave winning,

best Adapted Screenplay and best Original Screenplay

going to her. Are you guys happy with those choices?

Would you have gone a different direction? How

do you guys feel? Let me ask you a question.

I was watching it here. I didn't get to text

Matt before. Do you think Ridley has a problem

with McQueen? Because he - Oh, when he didn't

shake his hand when he wanted to walk in. He

didn't shake his hand. He didn't mention him.

they both didn't do they didn't say anything

about each other which is uh the person i was

with they they said he looks mad why does he

look so angry yeah he seemed a little pissed

off yeah yeah i don't know if something happened

or uh maybe i missed something i don't know I

did I didn't wonder that too because he walked

right by him and he ended up shaking someone

else's hand It wasn't even in 12 years of slaves.

So I did find that kind of odd So I don't know

if he was just so like if Ridley was so because

he obviously his speech was one of the more impassioned

Yeah, I didn't know if he was just caught up

in the moment where he didn't really know what

was going on as Certain times when he was doing

that, but yeah, it was slightly odd. Yeah But

no, I had no problem with him winning. I mean,

I thought before midnight was probably gonna

win, but win really well. I was like, oh, that's

good. I mean, I could adapt the screenplay. I

liked all of those scripts. So, and Spike Jon's

winning, Jones, sorry, Jon's winning for hers.

I was very happy for that. The director of Jackass.

I just like the fact that her was able to take

home an award. An award. Should have got so many

more. This is a bad year for it. If it would

have come out any other year, I think. I think

it would have. I think if it would have came

out any other time of the year, it might have.

helped too. Yeah. Yeah, that could have been

the case as well. Matt, how did you feel about

those awards? The screenplays, I thought they

were all really strong screenplays, but I think

they, in my opinion, they picked the right one,

I think. 12 Years a Slave. It's funny, it's like

back to back years where a film that deals with

the topic of slavery wins some type of screenplay.

Unaward last year was Tarantino with Django and

this year with 12 Years a Slave. And showing

a little bit of respect to originality, like

a really good originality with her I thought

was really excellent. I mean, granted, all the

original screenplays are original in their own

right, but... her took told that little extra

story that a lot of people related to and it

was just well well written well acted and thoughtful

because a nice thoughtful script that didn't

need like a whole bunch of stuff in it to make

it special it was special the way it was written

so but uh i like both i like both awards uh i

think they made the right decision with both

of those i agree with matt i think 12 years of

slave was the one i wanted to win adaptive screen

flip was the one that did i thought it was kind

of a Thought all the rest were more great, but

I thought they weren't they were more of a distant

second third fourth fifth Her like I said I wanted

that to win if it didn't go to her I was hoping

it would have gone to Nebraska as far as originality

Not saying anything against the other ones, but

those are kind of the two that stood out But

I was just really happy to see her take home

an award Dan. How do you feel about those two?

Yeah, yeah her I that was the one thing if anything

happened like I want her to win screenplay because

I think it deserves it and I knew it had no chance

of really winning anything else maybe score as

a long shot so yeah I was really happy about

that. 12 years of slavery. That's who I figured

was gonna win considering the fact that you're

adapting This memoir from a former slave and

how you how you'd have to translate that and

I thought that was phenomenal But since it was

a really strong year in movies and I think the

screenplays are a good reflection of it really

if any of them won though I really I don't know

I wouldn't really be very happy if American Hustle

won best screenplay figured if anything That's

probably the weakest out of the bunch. But uh,

I also really love Nebraska, too So if that one

screenplay I'd be happy but yeah No issues there.

So we'll move over to some of the acting awards

by supporting actor and actress. I guess I don't

know if you call this an upset I know there's

a lot there's a lot of different opinions going

in but Lupito Nyong 'o ends up winning for best

supporting actress beating out Jennifer Lawrence

who was winning you know won the Golden Globe

won a few other awards and then Jared Leto winning

for best supporting actor I think that was highly

expected I don't think anyone thought anyone

else would win so any thoughts on that DJ what

were your opinions? I thought Jennifer Lawrence

was going to win. I've been a big fan of hers.

And when Lupita Luanglo won, I was like kind

of happy for Jennifer Lawrence because I had

a feeling if she would have beat out Lupita,

we were talking about this yesterday, Matt, where

she would have got Anne Hathaway, where now she's

just becoming hated by everybody. And when you

see Jennifer, she didn't seem like it hurt her.

I think she was happy. It was unexpected that

she got this nomination, so it wasn't as big

as it was for Silver Linings last year. So I

was kind of happy that Lupita won, because Lupita's

amazing. So I mean, out of those two people,

I was very happy Lupita won. I thought Jennifer

Lawrence was going to win for supporting actor.

It was Jared Leto and I don't even know who else

was in the category. There's no way Greatest

American hero could have been uh, they've been

the Starscream it didn't matter who else was

in the category Jared was walking away, but there's

no way So yeah, I'm not having were your opinions

I was I was incredibly happy Lupita no longer

one in the When I was watching the Oscars and

they played that clip, that one specific clip

they had for her nomination with the soap, I

was watching it, I started crying. I was like,

wow, that is the scene that made her character

that much. It was amazing. And then, of course,

if she wins, it's such a good, refreshing thing,

like a performance that was that great one. So

that was my highlight of the entire night, pretty

much. Great speech too. Great speech by her.

No, it was great. I mean, it was like really

like a nice, refreshing moment. You know, you

didn't have to have a pizza joke or something

like that. You could set a nice speech. Had a

lip balm joke. Yeah. But then with Aletto winning,

that was nice too. That was a good way to start

the Oscars. I thought that was really excellent.

I thought Fassbender was so good, like, in his

role in 12 Years a Slave. And I thought he had

that outside shot to maybe get it. There was

no way you weren't going to deny Jesus. Happy

Jesus and Buddy Christ. Buddy Christ. So, no,

those were, I was incredibly happy with both

those, both those wins. Kevin, what were your

thoughts? I mean, I'll echo everybody as far

as Jared Leto goes. He's who I wanted to win.

I thought he would win. He did win. He won every

other. Didn't he win just about every other show?

Yeah supporting actor. Yeah, like yeah, Matt

was saying I can see fastbender being like the

second choice there Sorry, you lost the Baptist

to uh The guy from Captain Phillips, I think.

Oh, okay. Yeah Gotcha. Um, but other you know,

but other than that I was very happy I agree

that I think that was a good way to begin it

begin to show it also set the tone for predictability

right off the bat. As far as supporting actress,

I know I'm in the minority, but I said it on

the American Hustle episode that we did. I'm

very happy that Jennifer Lawrence did not win

that. I'm a huge Jennifer Lawrence fan, but that

to me is not her best work. So I would much rather

that go to somebody else. I know I'm in the minority,

but I was very happy. I'm with you. I'm with

you, Kevin. Okay, I was happy that Lapita won

that. If it didn't go to her, I honestly don't

even know who I would have given it to. Maybe

June Squibb, because I didn't see Blue Jasmine.

June Squibb is amazing. I loved that they showed

her clip. And first of all, I don't know who's

responsible for picking each person's clip, but

sometimes they do a much better job than others.

Sometimes they show one and I'm like, that's

not even close to the best moment from that person.

But anyways, I love that they showed Jen Swift's

clip and then they show her in the audience and

she's just smiling like That's normal, right?

Happy to be here, honey. Happy to be here. The

oldest person there almost and she's like, yeah,

that's what I did. But no, I was very happy with

the winners on both of those, Dan. Yeah. Speaking

of clips, I don't know if you guys saw, but there

was a clip of the big Bill Ingwall show from

back in the day that there was an episode with

Jennifer Lawrence and June Squibb that were both

in it together eating at like a dinner table.

Oh, yeah Yeah, I think I think she's hoping most

people I was never there. I was never there.

I was never there. It was just it was humorous

cuz it Yeah, it was just odd seeing that happen.

It was funny a Kevin brings it up because you

were talking about who picks the clips You're

right. I like everybody's this year except for

the one clip they picked for gravity for Sandra

Bullock I was like they pick that clip there

was like there's so many moments in that movie,

especially after that scene where she's Actually

doing great stuff and they didn't pick this clip

where she's just screaming I'm like have the

clip where she's talking to the guy on the radio

or Clooney or any Yeah, the wrong clip to play

for. I thought that one in the and we'll get

to it probably in a second as we talk to that

kid. I thought Meryl Streep. I thought there

was better clips and not that that wasn't a good

clip, but she had some amazing. Yeah. Worthy

things in that film. I thought they might have

chose wrong with her as well. Yeah, and they

get on that clip thing. I don't know if you guys

have seen Philomena, but they showed a clip of

that, and it's the ending of it. They spoiled

the whole freaking movie. They showed the whole...

I'm like, why are you spoiling Philomena's ending?

That's the whole point of the film. Yeah, they

did that, and they did that for True Grit back

in the day when that came out. I'm like, why

are you spoiling movies for people? Note to self,

I don't need to see Philomena anymore. Yeah,

you don't need to see it. They just showed you

the whole point of the movie. That was ridiculous.

I know Steve Coogan was pissed. He probably was

like, what are you guys doing? What the bloody

hell you white is doing in my film? Yeah, I agree

with what you guys are saying I know she's there,

you know, we know highly deserving it I thought

there was no question that he was going to win

that. Like you said, maybe Fassbender would be

fine with Fassbender, but the rest of the - No

Magneto. Not this time, Magneto. Not this time,

Mystique. He's got to win it some chance. Him

and - My question is, who's going to win first,

him or Amy Adams? Because I feel like the - Oh,

Amy Adams probably. They always - Yeah. They

always - Hopefully. I'm going to go with Benedict

Cumberbatch. Cumberbatch is going to win this.

Benedict Cumberbatch. In the next one of the

rings. Sherlock Holmes will win this one for

them. Thought launch was gonna win just because

she has some wine scenes behind her but I'm glad

she didn't because I don't think she deserved

it for that I don't want her to get out the way.

I like her a lot I don't want her to get hated

on. Yeah. Yeah But to move away from acting for

a sec, I actually wanted to ask you guys a question

because I think this is kind of an interesting

Debate regarding cinematography in the winning

the winner going to gravity but I know a lot

of people had an issue when life a pie won last

year because it's like So much of that is done

computer animated and that's all cgi. So is that

really cinematography? Is that really directing?

I saw the make I saw the making of gravity And

that was emmanuel they call him chivo. I know

koran calls him chivo I I thought the same thing

when I first saw gravity I was like, well, this

is all computers and it is a lot of computers

But the the stuff that he had to do to get like

this the end the fetish shot where she's floating

in the thing Uh in the uh capsule after she gets

her spacesuit off Just showing how he had to

light that scene and get that right and invent

a lot of the technology they use to light these

scenes for the act of the work, I was convinced,

I was okay, now I can see him winning it. Because

on the surface you think, oh, he just pushed

a bunch of buttons and then lights came on and

he was way more involved in lighting it than

that, I thought. Interesting. Yeah, I guess I

have not seen that but that'd be good to see

just to see how that all came about because it's

hard to see What is it watch the making of watch

the making is really in depth when it comes to

how we did that stuff Any other thoughts on that

before we move on to another another award? Nope.

All right. Let's keep the ball rolling here and

we talked about supporting actors and actresses.

Let's go to the main guys, the big stars. Go

to the best actor, best actress. Again, no huge

surprises. Best actor going to McConaughey and

best actress going to Cate Blanchett who won

the award like half a year ago. So no big surprises

there at all. She acted surprised. Yeah, she

did. I don't believe I won. I don't believe it.

It's amazing. She was Daniel Day Lewis this year

I would say the McConaughey did to me give there

was a lot of good speeches this rate speech by

Monica and I thought McConaughey's was great.

I thought the speech for the people who want

for frozen was fun and like you mentioned the

Peter Nyong 'o and the The best adaptive screenplay

as well. I thought in McConaughey though I thought

he was at the moment of the night like the McConaissance

has finally come to Phoenix man, he's the phoenix.

He's not stopping but rising to the top. I think

he should just give the speeches for everybody.

McConaughey will accept this award for me. I

love the reaction of the crowd too when he talks.

They're just like... Because you can listen to

McConaughey talk about anything for hours. Everything

he says, this sounds so damn cool. You're like,

all right, yeah, cool, all right. And all of

you, like how he was able to make fun of himself,

even like quoted himself from past movies, like,

and doing the, all right, all right, all right,

all right. I'm like, I thought he was going to

bust out the thing from Wolf of Wall Street,

but I think he was almost... If he had that going,

the whole crowd going, that would have been amazing.

That would have been amazing. Any thoughts about

actors or actor like, you know, we pretty we're

pretty confident in these but know if anyone

had anything they wanted to mention. I think

the best actress category may have been the most

stacked category. as far as acting goes that

we've had, at least this year it was, I mean,

you know, we talk about in the supporting ones,

it's like Jared Leto and then maybe Michael Fassbender,

nobody was talking about, nobody mentioned Jonah

Hill or Bradley Cooper, et cetera. And you know,

the same with Lupita, you know, we talked about

Jennifer Lawrence and maybe June Quiv, but nobody

mentioned Sally Hawkins or Julia Roberts. But

when you get to best actress, I mean, it's like

top to bottom. Even with the one they left off

Scarlett Johansson, I'll write her in as a nominee,

I guess. But, you know, Cate Blanchett, Amy Allen,

Sandra Volk, Judi Dench, Meryl Streep, and, you

know, Scarlett Johansson. I think it was just

a huge category as far as the talent goes, and

not just the talent, but actually delivering

on it in the performances. I mean, obviously,

Blue Chasm was one of the ones I hadn't seen.

I did not get to that. But man, I mean, you couldn't

pick a bad person out of that group as far as

those performances go. And I really thought Meryl

Streep was phenomenal in Augusto's H County,

but I know she's already got a quota. She's already

reached her quota. Sorry, your tank is full,

ma 'am. John Williams is the only one that can

surpass that. You think Scarlett Johansson would

have gotten Best Actress or Best Supporting Actress?

I thought she would have gotten... Yeah, I guess

she probably would have been supporting there.

But as far as the ones that were actually nominated

for Best Actress, I mean... Goodness gracious,

you can't go wrong there. All class brats. All

classy. Best actor. I see they didn't give it

to Tom Hanks. Oh, wait, he didn't get nominated

for any of his roles, I guess. Who's Tom Hanks?

Oh, no, and they didn't give it to fucking Phoenix.

OK, gotcha. Check, check. I don't know, I was

a little... I don't know if Christian Bale and

Leonardo DiCaprio were that much better than

Tom Hanks and Joaquin Phoenix, but yeah, Matthew

McConaughey, the only other person I would have

considered was probably Edge of Four from 12

Years a Slave, not saying that Bruce Stern wasn't

fantastic in Nebraska, but I thought it was between

McConaughey and Edge of Four, but not upset with

either of those either. Alright, so moving on

to the next award, Best Director. Again, nothing

really surprising, that's kind of the theme of

the Oscars mostly, but Alfonso Cuaron taking

away for Best Director. I don't know about you

guys, but at this point with this winning director

and winning Best Editing, I'm like, can it upset

Gravity? Do you guys feel that? well -deserved

for Karan that this is kind of a long time coming

for him. I'll say my piece and get out of the

way. This is the only award of the night that

actually upset me a little bit. I don't know.

I get that he's fantastic, but for me, that film

was not a great film because of the direction.

That film was a great film because of everything

that was going on from a technical and visual

standpoint, which I don't feel... Maybe he did.

Maybe he had his hands all over everything. DJ?

I love Steve McQueen. He's amazing. And I think

when it comes to performances, he has a lot more

plates he's got to be spinning here. He's got

to work. I mean, there's a lot. Because he has

a huge cast. But I mean, Koran, Gravity is a

technical marvel. And it took him four years

to do it with his son and just to hear him talk

about it. I think. I wanted to go to Karandis

for the fact that he had actually had to create

this this technical monstrosity and still get

performances out of Sandra Bullock, including

that were maybe not award worthy, but still very,

very good. I just can't I can't compare directing

to people against directing an entire cast. Yeah,

I don't know. I mean, when it comes to performing,

McQueen had a crap load of performances. I mean,

Cumberbatch, Edge of Four, Luongo, Magneto. I

mean, they had a whole bunch of people. But I

mean, just for the stuff that the sacrifice and

the dedication that Koran did to make that movie.

I mean, for me to give him credit, it sounds

like I'm slating McQueen and I'm not because

McQueen's amazing. But I mean, Koran, just to

just to see all the stuff he did and what he

had to accomplish and all the stuff he had to

invent just to make sure this movie worked. And

it did. And it actually to me, that's like that's

like the most important person award. That's

not the best director. Mm hmm. You look at your

performance performances wise. Well, I'm thinking

of it if you, I guess it depends on how you define

director. If you just, you could define that

as just the person responsible for the end product,

the person responsible for the movie. I guess

I look at it more of an actual direction of the

actors and he was directing an Academy Award

winner. You know to two -man crew both both award

winners where you have like someone like McQueen

is bringing someone You know who how many people

had heard of the Peter Nwango before that? You

know edu for was edu for was you know? Relatively

unknown you know you have fast vendors up and

coming and you have you know some of these other

people But it's like you said about getting the

most out of your people that that's how I look

at the category But I guess it's up to each person

how they define best director. I mean as performance

wise you're correct McQueen is He got amazing

performances, which I thought he was, I knew

he was gonna get. It says, I always see directors,

performances is one thing they gotta take care

of, and they gotta knock it out of the park,

and they also have to be the go -between to all

of these departments. I mean, all of them, and

if you see that, Gravity had won in all of these

other departments, editing, sound mixing, frickin'

cinematography. To a man, every one of them knows

that Koran was responsible for that, and the

performances. That's why I kind of lean toward

Koran, not saying that he's overall way better

than McQueen. McQueen is amazing. But that's

why I lean toward Koran. And I think one thing

you get to consider with Koran too is that, yeah,

I agree. Like the performances that McQueen got

out of his cast is pretty phenomenal. Like the

overall arching amount of performance compared

to that of Gravity, they're hard to compare to

each other. But you also have to consider the

fact that yeah sometimes it's even harder to

have just one actor where you have to basically

place them in a situation that doesn't exist

but trying to get them to a place where like

hey you're in space and get them into a mindset

where they can see this world and create it within

them so they can react towards it i think that's

a really hard thing to do when you just have

nothing but green screen especially when you

have nothing really to compare it to I think

that's a difficult task. And two, when you have

no one to act against. To me, that's why I think

even Spike Jonze could have been nominated here

because of what he had to do with Joaquin Phoenix

and getting that to work and how he was able

to artificially create chemistry within two characters.

I think that's the key. And I think two, another

huge aspect, not just within, if you want to

go simply based upon performances, yeah, but

I think there's more to it direction than just

that. consider how Koran uses the camera or in

this case the artificial camera in his his use

of long takes and how it's so effective here.

And yeah, that's a combination of him and his

DP. But I think he is that visionary that pushes

this movie forward. And to me, I think a director

can be a combination of all those things. I don't

think it has to be just performances because

you can also act, you know, say, well, maybe

he got really great performances because he has

a really great actors. So is that all him? So

I think you can also slight Macron's use of the

camera. his dedication to his long takes and

trying to make this all work and watching that

a few times just seeing how much that camera

moves and Even if it's artificially created with

with computer graphics or which was really done

It really is a key factor making that movie work

It's always moving the cuts in that or flawless

and that to me goes obviously to editing but

directions behind that As well, so but I think

my reservation is I'm not trying to slight Quran

at all And I think certain directors do have

their hands on everything but for me the the

separation or Maybe where I'm having a little

bit of a more of an issue is it's harder as a

just a movie -going fan to know What they're

doing behind the scenes like I can see what they're

doing as far as the directing of that the actors

I can see what they're doing with camera angles

to a point But even then there's a disconnect

as far as is he really the one doing that and

like I believe it with Karan I believe it wasn't

you know I'm not saying I'm a huge fan, but like

someone like James Cameron who obviously has

his hands on You know every bit of it. No one

knows because certain people did but but there's

a disconnect for me where how much is You know

if it was someone more unknown Is it that person

that's doing it or is it, like you said, the

editor or the cinematographer or this person

or that person and there's just a little disconnect

because otherwise it becomes, you know, why don't

we have directors for animated films out there?

You know, I'm saying there's a, you know, it's

only a step away. If we're only going to have

one person and we're basically doing it because

of the technical merit, then someone who directs

a fully animated or, you know, stop motion or

something like that should be considered because

they're doing all that. Yeah, I mean that's always

a hard question of knowing Who's responsible

for what is this scene working because of the

director the actor or the editor? Combination

of both so it's really the producer, you know

It was really one behind the scenes and I mean,

I think that's the question is unfortunately

You can't really answer because you're not, you

know, you're not there. But I think part of it

is just I don't it's to me. It's just you kind

of look at their past track Yeah, I think it's

a legitimate argument saying like well Who's

the, like I mentioned with cinematography, like

who's really the one behind this? Is it, you

know, the person we're awarding or is it someone

else? But Matt, curious to hear your thoughts

on this before, what were your thoughts before

on the best director? I mean, I'm looking at

it from like a purely black and white perspective.

I mean, the director, you think of the director

as a person who is in charge of everything. So

if that film is a great film, you automatically

think the director for it. It's like the director

created this entire world. He got all the performances

out of his actors. He's the main guy. So with

him directing gravity and directing it in a certain

way and creating this entire immersive world

that you probably haven't seen since maybe like

2001, a space odyssey or something, creating

a modern day's 2001 space odyssey. It was amazing

to see how much like time and effort and like

it was almost like he created a form of performance

art in a way where, yeah, you have Sandra Bullock

and George Clooney in front of a green screen

and he has to make these two actors buy into

a vision of like, OK, you're in space. You're

connected to this camera. The camera is going

to move around. You have to react like you are

moving around in space and convey these emotions

and convey these performances. And being able

to do something like that, nobody's been able

to do something like that outside of like an

animated film or something like that. But of

course, everything's animated so you can control

the animations of people. You still have a real

face. You still have George Clooney's face as

well as Sandra Bullock's face exuding emotion

and only really a great director, director, I

say. can do something that incredible. As far

as a film, and we'll get into this I'm sure next

when we talk about the best picture, in no way

did I think Gravity was the best picture of the

year. I think it was excellent. It was something

I had never seen before. But technically, it

was like, and also Kiran won for best editing

too. So of course he's in the trenches editing

this film down to what he wants it to be. So

he still has his directing fingers in everything

at that point. So Directing wise, I mean, like

you say, McQueen, of course, McQueen has some

direct actors and there's no CG involved. It's

like you have to get these performances out of

everybody. And it's not only your actors. You

have to make sure your production designer is

on point. You have to make sure the music cues

are on track with your conductor and things like

that, too. So I'm sure the director has a lot

to do with that as well. But I guess in Ciaran,

it was his award to lose. And I think they picked

it. basically for the technical achievement he

was able to get with Gravity. Maybe not necessarily

performance -wise, but creating something that

nobody had really been able to see before. Yeah,

yeah, and I mean, I do think there's a good argument

there. And if McQueen were to win this award,

I think I would be completely okay with it. I

think he's going to win. He's going to win soon.

Might not have been safe though because I think

he would have actually I think he actually knocked

out three people when he did win an award But

anything else before we move on to the granddaddy

of them all Think that's it. All right. So of

course the question that becomes who wins best

picture and it is of course 12 years of slave

I was a little what like when I went into this

I'm okay. It's probably safe No, no doubt, but

when gravity started picking up a little bit

of everything I'm like, yeah, what is actually

when I went editing that was my like a little

bit of hesitation because editing and Best picture

tend to go hand -to -hand. Director, I think,

in the past year has changed, because last year,

you know, John Woo won for Life of Pi. Not Woo,

but John Woo. John Woo's Life of Pi would be

amazing. You've got elves flying around it. It's

amazing. A lot more two -handed guns. Yes. Anyways,

it's a late night here. So that that to me was

a little bit surprising. So I guess that's the

question then becomes, how do you guys feel about

10 years from now? Are we going to look back

and say 12 Years a Slave is the movie of 2013?

I guess, DJ, we can start with you. This is the

only kind of thing I mean that disagree. I mean,

somebody asked me, what's the best picture that

came out this year? I always say, what's my best

film experience? And it is kind of slanted because

12 Years a Slave is very not depressing, well

it is depressing, but like more morbid, dramatic.

My best film experience in a theater is Gravity.

And I knew it wasn't gonna win because the subject

matter is more, it's more of a ride than a film.

So... I knew 12 years ago that it was gonna win,

but if anybody asked me to a man 10 years from

now, what's gonna be the movie I remember? It's

gonna be Gravity. They can play Gravity at an

IMAX theater every year and it'll get money because

it's a ride. It's like going to Universal Studios.

If you watch it on IMAX, it's literally a ride.

And it just happens to have the benefit of great

direction, very, very, very strong acting. good

subtext and this movie gets criticized because

they say there's no subtext there's no plot and

if you like look at all the stuff that karam

is doing with rebirth and faith and stuff like

that there's way more stuff going on in that

movie than that's on the surface and that's the

movie i'm going to remember man how about yourself

It's an interesting point you just brought up,

Dan, about the whole Ang Lee winning for Life

of Pi. It kind of reminds me of what happened

this year with Kiran winning because Life of

Pi itself was pretty like a technical marvel

when you think about it also. And he won last

year and, of course, Argo wins Best Picture.

So I don't know if this is becoming more of a

trend where they're going in a way where, okay,

directing is going to be completely different

from like a film. Like a film -going experience

will be different than what somebody does technically

on the screen. Uh, like maybe when the next avatar

comes out, we'll see another example that, uh,

at some point with Cameron winning for the new

avatar or something. Um, hopefully not, but we'll

see. But, uh, yes, I mean, 12 years of slavery,

it's not, of course, it's not the best subject

matter, but it was such the stories it told was,

it was beautiful. It was tragic. It was heartbreaking.

It was horrible. It was a very emotional. experience.

I mean, of course, you know, I didn't live in

those times and I can't like identify with a

lot of things. Well, you can identify with some

of the characters, but it was just like a beautiful

story, even though it was so disgusting and ugly

at the same time. Gravity, of course, it's like

Didier was saying, you can play that in IMAX.

all the time you can play it at the museum and

say okay kids field trip we're gonna go see gravity

because this is kind of what space is like and

it's in 3d and it's really cool looking so of

course people will talk about gravity in the

future but i still think 12 years of slave was

the correct choice in my opinion about best actual

film and exuding emotion and grabbing grabbing

you and not letting it go until the end of the

film All right, and Kevin, how about yourself?

Well, what a stacked year. Yeah, that's a stacked

year. I mean, you look back at a couple of recent

years and they can't put the resume that 2013

can. To me, it was two things. If you're asking

me which one was my personal favorite movie of

the year, then it would be her. Just on a lot

of different levels. I just absolutely loved

that film. But if you're asking me which one

am I going to look back at 10 years from now

and say that definitively was the best film of

the year, to me it's 12 Years a Slave. I just

think that was a masterpiece. It was the most

emotional reaction I had during the film in the

entire year, top to bottom, cast wise. The acting

performances from the minor parts to the major

parts were phenomenal. I just think 12 Years

a Slave was... I'm so happy that it won because

for me this is the first time in a good number

of years where the best film of the year actually

won Best Picture. I won't talk about Argo. Anyway.

That's something you're messing with easy. I

just think 12 Years a Slave is the best film.

I wouldn't have been upset though on a lot of

these. If it doesn't go to 12 Years a Slave,

I did not obviously expect it to go to her. I

knew that wasn't going to win. If they had to

go another direction, I was kind of hoping they

would have either gone to something like Dallas

Buyers Club or Nebraska. I was very happy that

American Hustle and Wolf of Wall Street did not

win this. Not saying anything bad about the films.

I enjoyed both films, but I'm very glad they

did not win. To me, those winning, I don't know,

that would have been spectacle. Yeah, we're easy

imagine the close your eyes and imagine will

for Wall Street winning tonight Can you imagine

what would have happened on this? Entire place

Dan what do you think? Yeah, I I think what's

going to happen is like 12 Years a Slave, when

you ask someone, for example, to go back to something

like the Holocaust, you say, what is the Holocaust

movie? People often answer with Schindler's List.

And I think if you're going to have a film that

defines slavery in the United States, I think

it's going to be 12 Years a Slave for quite a

long time. And I do think people will go back

and they will say 12 Years a Slave is that achievement.

but and but i don't i don't think gravity is

going to be there too as that spectacle as an

example of hey you can make like a blockbuster

thrilling ride that that still is like dj mentioned

has subtext in it it actually is more than just

explosions and a technical achievement but i

i do agree that 12 years ago was one that probably

should have won i think it overall as a complete

film complete a complete cinematic Experience

it was the best my favorite film of the year

was her though. I don't know how well that translates

to the general audience per se. I saw that in

the theater with a group of people yesterday

because I went to the second day of the AMC Best

Picture Showcase. And let's just say after that

movie was over, I think I was the only person

that liked that movie and all I could hear was

people complaining about it around me. And I

was getting very, very agitated with the stupidity

around me. You killed three people. I literally

had to leave. I'm like, I need to go because

it's like people. Yeah, I get why people won't

like that movie, but I'm like, Yeah, it was just

stupid dumb people that I'm like you wouldn't

get a good like oh, why is it stupid? Oh stupid?

Yeah, you for your contribution to my argument

That's why yeah, I don't like it. It's like oh,

thank you. Yeah, I didn't get it People that

the same people that I shared the theater with

a year ago when they walked out of Les Mis in

the first ten minutes when they apparently just

discovered that they were gonna be singing the

entire film Are you kidding me? You didn't expect

this? Oh, I gotta go see that movie because someone

said it was good. Anyway. Go ahead. I do think

12 Years of Slave was the right choice. I wouldn't

be upset if a lot of those movies won, if Gravity

won, if her one that had been a great, if Nebraska

won. I would be a little bit perturbed if American

Hustle won or Philomena, which I think is a good

movie, but it's not, I don't think anything.

It's not the movie of the year. It's very it's

simple and it's it has stuff behind it. I love

Steve Coogan in it, but it's not Really something

that I feel like oh, that's a movie that you're

gonna look at and like oh that movie represents

2013 Philomena filled the quota of them being

required to at least have one nominee that the

majority of the public has not heard of or has

not seen. I know that used to be the running

thing where you had to have as many movies possible

that nobody had heard of. So that was just a

remnants of the old guard. It was like Secrets

and Lies back in like 96 or 97 or something like

that. What is that? Secrets and Lies. No, I know

what you're talking about. two questions in general.

I'm not trying to cut in and go out of order

or anything, but first I wanted to ask for DJ

Mads and Dan your reaction to, I guess I'm going

to call them the fringe films, but but kind of

the ones that aren't in the running for like

the best picture that type of thing but those

films that did receive nominations and maybe

what was the most surprising so I mean you had

stuff like like Star Trek and Lone Ranger getting

snuck in there for best visual effects you had

um Jackass and Lone Ranger again for best makeup

um you know you had you had a bunch of these

prisoners snuck in a nomination um good for deacons

you know Inside Lone Davis did get snuck in for

one, The Hobbit, All Is Lost. Any reactions to

those films that just kind of got that one nomination

in, Book Thief, Saving Mr. Banks, that weren't

necessarily in the best picture discussion, but

do you think their nominations were deserving,

or what was the most surprising out of all those?

I think I speak for the human race when I say

Lone Ranger being nominated for anything other

than a Razzie Award. The fact that they can put

an Oscar -nominated film on their DVD. Yeah,

on their DVD. It's like it's an injustice to

society. I mean, anyway, I'm going to move on

from War Ranger because I don't want to curse.

So I really, really, really liked All Is Lost

and I agree with Robert Redford. They did not

promote that movie enough. That movie is very,

very the term I use is slept on. Nobody really

saw it or knew about it. Her to me is the master

her to me is one of those films that you like

this movie is Amazing and nobody's it just came

out in a really wrong time. Then the master come

out like Like was the master came out during

the summer where I mean the hurt came out near

the end of the year came out like I mean, we're

starting getting limited and then more wide and

like December Yeah, because it didn't hit theaters

around here until December. And I just. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It was super, super limited. But

I mean, once again, it's a movie that kind of

got lost in a year of really, really good film.

So you also had Lone Survivor sneaking in two

nominees. Yeah. It's a good movie. I don't think

it's worthy enough for it to get. I think the

more interesting part of the Lone Survivor is

the part they kind of skip past, which is the

stuff that happens. after the Climactic Battle.

That's the stuff I read. I like that it was out

for a week in 2013, but anyway. Yeah, yeah. It's

out, it's out, bye. It's all of us. But no, Bad

Grandpa being nominated is essentially South

Park being nominated. So that's... I chuckle

when I see that, but when I see Lone Ranger,

I get nauseous. So I don't know how that feels.

Well, Iron Man 3 was also nominated, wasn't it,

for visual effects as well, so it snuck in, and

The Hobbit, so you get these fringy movies that

are like, not even fringy, these are like blockbuster

films, of course, they're only nominated for

what they're nominated for, visual effects, of

course. That's what science fiction films get

nominated for, outside of gravity. Yeah, outside

of gravity. But I mean, I'd like to Roger Deakins

getting nominated again and not winning again.

win ever DJ you were saying maybe like a career

achievement award or something like that. The

greatest cinematographer. I thought it'd be kind

of like fitting if Inside Lewin Davis won cinematography

and like the you know the fact that he always

does the Coen Brothers movies and then that win.

Deakins kills everyone on the stage. I should

have bid it here. Dan, any thoughts on some of

those Fringe nomination movies? I was surprised,

maybe not surprised, but the fact, I'm glad,

very happy that the Grandmaster got a nod for

best... Yeah, they got a few. For cinematography.

For cinematography and costume. It's a beautiful

movie. I mean, you could even nominate that for

special effects, really, but I think it was well

deserving of the nod for cinematography, so that

to me was... One of the little happier French

films I got I was glad got some sort of recognition

That had a Scorsese's uh kind of blessing in

that because wasn't he an executive producer

presented by Martin Scorsese or something along

those lines I think it had some type of like

hey Scorsese let's nominate it for a few things

Yeah, and it had the wine scenes behind it too

and I'm really yeah I'm hoping one day I can

finally watch the actual like original cut version

of that but uh Unfortunately has not been released

in the US yet. So but I think it's still a good

movie even if it's not the original cut My last

question was Out of the actual films that were

in the running for Best Picture, either they

were talked about being nominated or they actually

got the nomination, for you guys, was there anyone

that did not get enough love when it came to

actual winners or any that got too much love

out of those, you know, the big, the heavy hitters

as far as the ones that were nominated or the

ones that were in discussion? Which ones did

not get as much love as they deserved and which

ones got too much? Her did not get enough loves

We're talking about moves that were nominated.

Yeah. Yeah. Well just out of the best picture

I mean you had Dallas Buyers Club coming away

with you know, both of the male acting categories

your head gravity coming away with every other

Literally every other category that was announced

You know, you have 12 years a slave getting an

actor nominee getting the best picture So I mean

those got some recognition which which ones did

not were you surprised at any of them? That just

didn't get hardly any a single win both It's

Wall Street guys with blanked. of everything.

Captain Phillips also got blanked. Blanked, American

Hustle got blanked. I agree with everybody here

tonight. I think we all are on consensus that

Her is a great film. And I just wish it came

out like last year or the year before. Because

it's such a good film that I guess I have to

convince people who haven't seen it to watch.

I'm like, ah, that's the one where he talks to

his phone. I don't want to watch that movie.

It's such a good movie. I was hoping that awards

would get it more popular, and because it didn't

get a lot of love, kind of disappointed me. But

Captain Phillips is another movie that, again,

the last 10 minutes of that movie, we were talking

about crying in the theater. Matt was talking

about 12 Years a Slave. I had never had that

kind of emotion for just a scene where a guy

is essentially having a panic attack I've ever

had in my life. It was amazing. So I don't know.

I'd have to go back and do the research for this.

I mean, I know we haven't had 10 nine or 10 nominees

for a long time, only in recent history. But

to have six out of the nine get blanked, blanked

like nothing. That's got to be a that's got to

be a first. That seems weird. Yeah, it is nothing.

The awards were very heavy with specific films.

I mean, there were four pretty much four films

that got the big recognition for the evening,

which Doesn't happen all that often, but, you

know, hey. But it doesn't really seem like the

nominees, maybe. No, I think they should have

spread some of these out. I believe anyway. I

think some of the sound editing and mixing could

have been spread out. I think Inside Lew and

Davis was deserving of mixing because trying

to do live performances and that. Yeah, really.

It's a movie about music. No, not good enough.

Not good enough. Get out of here. They had to

mix the vacuum of space to not sound like anything.

Guitar, get out of here. That's crap. I think

when it comes to mixing and editing, I think

when the actual General Academy are voting on

those, they're like, I'm just gonna go for the

loudest film and vote it for both. And I think

you can even argue a movie for editing purposes,

like Captain Phillips, I think was huge in editing.

Especially that last. 10, 15 minutes of that

scene, like heading such a huge portion of that.

So I think it was deserving of that. I'm not

saying gravity didn't deserve it. I just think

you could have. It was such a strong year for

movies. I think it would would have been right

to kind of say, hey, I think we need to recognize

all these films and not just leave them out in

the cold. Yeah. But then they go, oh, it's just

an honor to be nominated. It's like, no bullshit.

Give me the award. But I mean, it's tough. It's

like I'd assumed that gravity was going to kind

of sweep up the technical stuff but you know

it's just one it's a weird year i i thought there

would be a little bit more diversity but i was

i was happy that uh that 12 years to sleep at

least got one acting award because I think it

deserved deserved it so I Think the awards would

have set much worse with me if gravity somehow

would have came around came away with the best

picture I'm not saying that it doesn't have its

argument for it But just given the fact that

I got so many words I think if it also would

have got best picture that I would have had a

different attitude coming out of the award. Yeah,

I think I would have the same attitude as you.

I mean, in no way did I think it was the best

picture of the year. Not even by a long shot.

Great film experience, but probably not the best

picture. Exactly. There's a difference between

being the best film experience and being the

best film. So that's my argument to the whole

thing. All right. Anything else before we kind

of bring this episode to a close? No more pizza

jokes. Please no more. Put the cap on a great

year of films. Like I said, I think these nine

films can stack up against just about any other

best picture class that we've seen in recent

times. Agreed and agreed. Yeah, so let us know

what you think. Before we end the show, we just

want to take a look at what's coming out. Now

that the Academy Awards out in 12 Years a Slave

has won Best Picture, guess what? You can buy

it on Tuesday. Yay! That's coming out on the

Blu -ray and DVD, and as well as the Grandmaster

that we talked about. And of course, you know

what? We talked about snubs, but we did not talk

about old boy not getting anything. Oh no. That's

coming out, and also... The Hunger Games Catching

Fire was hitting Blu -ray DVD, so actually kind

of a busy week when it comes to Blu -rays this

week. And then coming in the theater... We have

the sequel to 300 rise of the Empire. Yay Five

years too late Since then he's coming out to

this let's keep making movies five years later

than they're supposed to be coming out Miller

takes a while for his for him to get the sign

off on because he's crazy and apparently he's

married to Cade Blanchett the Cade Blanchett's

husband looked like Frank Miller to you because

he looked like Frank Miller to me Oh, I didn't

know. I thought you meant literally. I'm like,

really? What did he do to her? That explains

her character in Blue Jasmine so much more. Oh,

completely. That's exactly what happened. Do

you have a conversation with Frank Miller? You

freak out like Cate Blanchett does. But also

coming out on theater in very limited release

is The Grand Budapest Hotel, which I am looking

forward to. Good ol' Wes Anderson and Mr. Peaty

Body and Sherman is coming out on Blu -ray and

DVD. Any of those movies interest you guys at

all? I'm laughing because I thought it was in

the I thought it came out in the theater It's

coming on dvd. Mr. B buddy. No it is. I'm sorry.

It's a theater Maybe who knows? Holy crap. That

was one day and that was on the dvd I want to

see grandpa the best hotel west All right, there's

gonna start being a lot of stuff to see now.

So we're kind of past the dead phase. Yeah The

first two months have been pretty brutal. Yeah

only a month away from Captain America. So we

got that And speaking of Captain America, we

end each show with a credit conversation and

last week we asked you all about the infamous

trailer for Guardians of the Galaxy if you're

excited and more excited less excited and based

upon the comments we got people are rather excited

that kind of took control of our responses last

week, and seems like everyone's really looking

forward to it, even though we're a little bit

hesitant. DJ, man, what were your thoughts on

the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer? You think

I'm excited? Feel these nipples. I'm really excited.

I'm super excited, man. I mean, literally, I've

watched that trailer, oh, man, north of 13 times.

It's pretty damn good. I think it's going to

be awesome. Chris Pratt, it's not the year of

McConaughey. It's going to be the year of Chris

Pratt, I believe. So, yeah, looks awesome. Cannot

wait. Yeah, you're talking about nipples. Yeah,

my nipples got hard. Fully erect. Fully erect.

No, but just seeing that they're doing something

like this, Disney's taken a chance to do something.

This out there is amazing. And James Gunn, who

I love James Gunn. I adore him. I've loved him

since. his days had trauma and everything like

that too. So just to see this guy finally getting

a break and getting a budget to make a film that

he wants to do with hopefully minimal Disney

influence, I'm hoping. Which is fantastic. So

it just looks like a lot of fun. That's going

to be my Pacific Rim of 2014. So it's going to

be probably the most fun I'll have in the theater

the entire year. Awesome. And I guess our question

for next week, or for this week's episode, I

should say, is, you know, it is the Oscars, so

what did you think of the Oscars? What were your

thinks of the show, the awards, anything, one

that you didn't think deserving, or do you not

at all care about the Oscars? I know there's

a lot of people who could care less, but... Curious

to hear what you all think out there. And there's

tons of ways you can contact with us. You can

comment on the Facebook page by searching GeekCastRadio

or at Twitter at GeekCastRadio .com or on the

episode post at GeekCastRadio .com. DJ, Matt,

before you go, where can people check out your

stuff? As I always do on the show, I'll do it

on the show too. Yes, Simplistic Reviews, you

can find us. Our main site is www .simplisticreviews

.blogspot .com. We're on Twitter, the at sign,

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go to facebook .com backslash Simplistic Reviews.

Those are our three main ways to find us on Twitter,

our website and Facebook. Once again, simplisticreviews

.blogspot .com. And I'm on Twitter at Movie Revolt.

Kev, how can people get in touch with you? I'm

at Optimus Solo, and I just want to say for those

that don't necessarily want to... You know, maybe

for those that don't like the Oscars or didn't

watch it that still want a way to contribute

Maybe you can give us to your favorite Harold

Ramis film as well in the comments section, so.

Sounds like a wonderful idea. Groundhog Day.

Groundhog Day. Groundhog Day. Cannot go wrong.

There's so many choices. Unless you say year

one and then you're wrong. You're wrong. And

maybe you analyze that maybe. All right. Well,

we'd like to thank you all for taking us in.

Thank you, Matt. for stopping in and helping

us with this episode. Really appreciate it. It's

a pleasure. Thank you for having us. Pleasure

is all ours. Pleasure is on this side of the

computer. Even though you have the restraining

order. We're gonna talk about that later. Anyways,

that will do it for us for this week. And remember,

for all things movies, keep tuned to MY Weekly.

We'll see you next week.