Halloween Special: Rocky Horror Picture Show

hi this is john delancey and you are listening

to the geek cast radio network hello and welcome

to episode 268 of the cinema geeks i am one of

your cinema geeks oprah solo and joining me as

he usually does is the comic concierge hello

dan do i do a boo again like i did last week

or is that that's that's that wouldn't be surprising

come up with your new sound it's got it i don't

know what it would be but yeah with horse equals

yours you have to step it up so i don't know

who is that i don't know oh i don't know that

might work for this one So we are back, like

Dan mentioned, in the Halloween spirit in our

spooky season of a diversion from our Westerns

and our ape talk. So we decided to give you guys

a four straight Halloween style spooky film reviews

and commentary. And it also allowed Dan and myself

to check off four movies that were blind spots

for both of us. So, so far we've covered the

Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Carrie. and the exorcist

and we are going so we've had like a little bit

of like a quote unquote slasher and then we had

like the teen also i don't know what you would

call carrie but like the classic teen slash supernatural

one then we did the demon possession one and

now we're going a completely different direction

with a different halloween style all together

with 1975s so so far we've done a 72 73 74 and

now a 1975 film this one is the rocky horror

picture show in celebration of tim curry who

we lost earlier this year dan first how has this

horror track been for you i know you've been

watching a lot of other scary movies on top of

this that we haven't talked about so what's your

journey through october been like and and where

are we at as we kind of get into today's episode

Well, yeah, it's been a good horror season for

me. I've watched a lot of good movies. I also

scratched off a lot from my list of shame, including

many that we're going off in talking about this

week. So that's great. And we we've watched a

few favorites as well. So that's exciting. So,

yeah, this is and this has been interesting to

take a break from the Westerns and the dystopian

monkey movies to then. get into whatever this

is that we'll be talking about. So it's good.

It's a monkey movie marathon. We could have.

Yeah. If only alliteration in there. Yeah. But

how about you? How's your, I know you're not

normally a horror guy. Are these the only horror

films you've watched so far this year? I mean,

outside of the, my trek through way earlier in

the, was it this year or last year when I went

through all the scream films and I did the final

destination films, but that, that was for sure

last year. For the Final Destination ones. And

I actually haven't even seen The Scream from

this year yet. So yes, this October, this is

the fourth spooky movie, I guess you could say,

that I've seen. I don't know if there will be

another. There may be. Maybe if I can find something

super six -year -old friendly, maybe we can watch

something. We might do The Great Pumpkin, Charlie

Brown, or something. Nice. We did do a family

movie. We watched Monster House. My kids enjoyed

that. So it might be... maybe a little too scary

for your i don't know it might be okay but yeah

i celebrated the fact that i finally like it's

very rare to convince my daughter to have a family

movie night with an actual animated film so it's

typically has to be like a live action film because

otherwise she really doesn't enjoy movies because

especially in animation movies like there's always

a bad guy that they can't do it without one and

she doesn't like bad guys um but we i convinced

her to watch the classic disney animated film

robin hood uh last week and It was just me and

her. She enjoyed it quite a bit. She cried. She

laughed. She enjoyed her time with it. So I think

that's a step in the right direction. Maybe if

I just find enough villains that are silly. Yeah.

Monster House, not so much. There's some silliness

to it, but the house definitely tries to be super

scary. So yeah. So today we are, like I said.

covering rocky horror picture show it is a blind

spot for both dan and myself so i think the best

way to get into this as we usually do is let's

let dan lay the groundwork and then we will come

back and we'll see how this one ranks amongst

the other ones that we've watched so far this

little trick Everyone, time warp yet again, as

this week we continue our horror specials with

a look at The Rocky Horror Picture Show, directed

by Jim Sharman, released in 1975. It's a musical

comedy horror film that follows a young conservative

couple who stumble into a bizarre world of eccentric

characters, sexual experimentation, and outrageous

behavior. The story follows Brad and Janet, Planet

Janet. a newly engaged couple who find themselves

stranded on a dark, rainy night after their car

gets a flat tire. Looking for help, they discover

a nearby mansion and knock on the door, hoping

to use a telephone. They are welcomed inside

by a strange group of servants and guests who

are attending and gathering at the mansion. The

owner is Dr. Frankenfurter, who is this eccentric,

cross -dressing scientist from the planet...

Transsexual in the Galaxy of Transylvania. Frankenfurter

is in the middle of an unusual experiment creating

a handsome, muscular man, Rocky. in whom he hopes

to become the perfect human companion. As the

night unfolds, Brad and Janet become increasingly

caught up in Frankenfurter's strange world. Their

traditional views on relationship and sexuality

are challenged as they experience temptation,

jealousy, and desires they never knew they had.

Meanwhile, the mansion's other residents, including

the mysterious Riff Raff, Magenta, and Columbia,

have secrets of their own. Things eventually

spiral out of control. Frankenfurter's experiments

are increasingly erratic, and his behavior is

rather strange. There's betrayal, murder, and

revelations about the mansion's true inhabitants.

Brad and Janet discover that the bizarre events

surrounding them are part of something much bigger

than they ever imagined. It culminates into a

chaotic finale that's completely overturned the

couple's understanding of the world, leaving

them forever changed. for this strange encounter.

Remarkably, the movie was filmed at only six

weeks, which is crazy for a musical production.

It helped that many of the members were already

familiar with the material because they performed

it on the stage. Tim Curry's performance as Dr.

Frankenfurter is arguably the defining element

of the movie. Interesting though, Curry didn't

originally imagine the character surrounding

it quite the way he does it in the finished film.

He developed the character's distinctive accent

after hearing a woman speaking in an upper -class

English accent on a bus. He experimented with

that voice and eventually transformed it into

Frankenfurter's theatrical exaggerated delivery.

The opening image of the giant red -lip singing

science fiction double feature is one of the

most recognizable. parts of the movie. The lips

actually belong to Patricia Quinn. However, the

singing voice belongs to Richard O 'Brien. Quinn

was originally upset because she had loved the

opening song and expressed the desire to sing

it herself. The director, though, came up with

the idea of using her lips as the opening image

near the end of production. When the movie first

came out, critics were generally unimpressed.

The film had an estimated production budget of

about $1 .5 million. Its initial theatrical release

performed so poorly that 20th Century Fox pulled

it from many theaters. However, the movie began

finding an audience through midnight screenings

in 1976. especially in New York Waverly Theater,

those greetings changed everything. Audiences

started returning repeatedly, dressing up as

characters, shouting responses to the screen,

making it really one of the few cult classics

in American cinema history. What became this

commercial disappointment has become one of the

most long -running theatrical attractions in

the history of cinema. But what do Kevin and

I think? Back to us to discuss. All right. Thank

you for that. And Dan, those are all the facts

about Rocky Horror Picture Show. All you need

to know, I'm sure about it, but I got a question,

you know, obviously you mentioned it in there

and common to a lot of folks, I guess that the

Rocky Horror Picture Show has become something

kind of more is the right word, more than just

a film. It's become this audience experience

kind of cult. following or cult classic where

like you go to these things and you participate

and you sing along and you throw stuff and it's

just like a whole like event right first dan

um will you be searching out seeking out a opportunity

to be involved in one of these live experiences

with the rocky horror picture show and If not,

is this a great movie or is this a film that

is only still in the zeitgeist, I guess, because

of that cultural audience experience element

to it? What was your take on Rocky Horror Picture

Show? I think I wouldn't be against, you know,

watching this with the crowd. I just to see what

that experience is like. I don't know if they

still do that, if that's still, you know, a thing

that happens. Maybe they do it every so often

in certain places. I'm sure somewhere it happens

every October. We can find. Yeah, I'm sure it

does here and there. I would not dress up just

because I don't have it. It just feels like it's

a lot of work. But I would I wouldn't be against

I would hate it for it to be my first experience

with the movie, because I think that would be

like, well, this is how am I supposed to appreciate

the film? But I wouldn't be against checking

it out. You know, it's funny. I think my only

real experience with this is when I watched the

episode of the Drew Carey show and they were

going to. do that and they had their like actually

that's not true i had that experience watching

the drew carey show and then i worked at a summer

camp and every summer camp they had songs they

would play to like hype everyone up and like

do dances and they would and the last one they

would always end with which which was time warp

so i thought you were gonna say sweet transvestite

and i was like yeah no uh maybe i missed that

but no it was it was uh it was it was a time

warp so gotcha hey before you get into your thoughts

on Rocky Horror Picture Store I meant to ask

you this beforehand what is your general feel

of the musical genre just in general like are

you a fan of musicals does it have to be the

right musical are some people just hate musicals

like where do you sit yeah I used to not be a

fan but I've grown to like them and appreciate

them much more like like many people I do love

Hamilton and we every time we go on a trip we

usually listen to the hamilton soundtrack you

know um singing in the rain is one of my all

-time favorite films there's a lot of musicals

i haven't seen probably even similar to like

a lot of the classic horror films maybe hey maybe

that's our next retrospective the musicals uh

so i'm not against them they're not necessarily

something i clamor for per se uh you know i think

I used to be like, but why are they singing?

It doesn't make sense. I think I've gotten over

that and just realized you kind of have to go

with it. But yeah, I used to hate them, but now

I've kind of turned a corner. I know you have

like more, more experience on stage and things

like that. So I'm curious, what about you? Are

you, how you're feeling towards musicals or do

you more so appreciate the plays that, you know,

don't have all the singing? So I am a fan of

almost most things stage related. Like we've,

we've had, like subscriptions to like when we

used to live in outside of Chicago, we had a

subscription to one of the theaters there that

got a lot of like, you know, people that were

legit, like people that had appeared in TV, like

the Playbill was always full of people that had

appeared in like Chicago PD or Chicago. I don't

know what all the Chicago fire shows or whatever

they are. And then, you know, that type of thing.

My, my mom was, I'm assuming my mom was a big

musical fan growing up because we, we watched

a lot of them. or just movies with music in them

like even if it was just like Annie or like Shirley

Temple movies we definitely watched The King

and I and Sound of Music like I grew up with

all of that stuff my dad even though he was a

pretty I don't know I guess almost like this

manly man like he was a police officer and like

an EMT and he was you know 6 '2 and you know

220 some pounds like he was a big dude but like

He was a history teacher for most of his career,

and he also was a drama teacher. I never got

to, like, necessarily see what that all entailed

of at the high school level and how he was involved

with it. So I definitely was, I guess, in my

DNA between both of them to be involved. And,

you know, I got to be in a number of shows. I

think I was in, like, four different stage shows

or something of that nature. One of them was

a musical. You know, I got to do My Fair Lady.

And then I was in a Western film. or film western

play that the director kind of turned into a

musical even though it wasn't necessarily so

that was kind of cool because i got to sing a

lot of these like classic western songs and whatnot

that we've heard little homages to in some of

our western uh retrospectives so that's been

fun so generally i'm a big fan like les mis is

one of my favorite uh shows and even the the

film version with um uh muscle crow and uh hugh

jackman i actually love um you know I love a

lot of musicals. I definitely have some blind

spots. There's certain big ones that I still

haven't seen. So I'm generally a fan and a defender

of the genre. I find there's two genres that

a lot of times get unfairly brushed aside by

a lot of people that I guess must be in my formula

for the film Twitter. But it seems like it's

musicals and then a lot of people like... there's

a lot of people that appreciate animated films

but then there's like that other section of film

twitter that's like oh that cartoon or something

like that and i'm like well you're you're an

idiot but because like there's some animated

films that have more heart than you know a lot

of other stuff so like i i like the genre i tend

to defend it quite a bit so um i was interested

going into this one knowing that it was one that

i hadn't seen but also kind of knowing a little

bit that it's not quite like some of the ones

that i know i've seen yeah and i had heard a

tiny bit of the music maybe beforehand but i

was really not exposed to it sometimes you go

into a musical like i remember the first time

i saw wicked or rent or something like that it's

like i already knew all the songs even though

i had never seen the show didn't know the story

but i'm like well i know all the songs this is

the opposite i like didn't really know anything

about the songs like i may have heard little

bits and pieces but i wouldn't have been able

to tell you it was from this specific film i

guess so um so i'm curious dan like this is definitely

not like the other three that we watched so what

was your take did you find it um moving intriguing

uh an experience that is unlike any other or

did you just find it ridiculous i found it ridiculous

but not in a bad way like it is i think it's

trying to be ridiculous i don't think it's it

is I think the, the, the word to use is that

it was unabashedly entertaining. Like it's like,

we're, we're just going for it is, you know,

is it self -aware? Like, I know it's based upon

the stage production and I don't know, you know,

it's clearly like just going for it is in every

way, shape and shape and form. There's just an

energy to it, which I could see why it would

be so successful, like in a theater setting for

midnight showings. I can also see why. so many

people would hate this or it would not like i

could not imagine coming in cold to this movie

and like because it you'd be like this is the

worst thing i've ever i could understand some

people who would just think it's the worst thing

ever i think especially if you don't realize

it has a bit of a sense of humor about itself

because it's like wait aliens what's good it's

like it's you know there's a there's a lot to

it for sure uh it's in your face it's bombastic

it's crazy it's unlike legitimately even all

these years later even things that i think have

tried to you know i think i'm thinking of something

earlier this year like the bride that tries to

be like oh we're going to try to be like a midnight

movie so many of those things fail because it's

trying to create something rather than this that

was just authentically itself so yeah i i had

a good time with it how about yourself So I totally

understand that it's intentionally doing what

it's doing, right? It is trying to do everything

you just mentioned, right? It's intentionally

cheesy. It's intentionally out there. It's intentionally

in your face. It's spoofing old monster movies.

It's funny because it names... I don't know if

it's opening song or whatever. One of the first

songs, it's literally naming some of the old

classics. And even a couple people that we've

been exposed to, I guess. what was it leo leo

mccary or whatever uh yeah whatever the director's

name is you know it mentions him like spoof off

science fiction spoof off of b movies and and

things of that nature like totally you know parody

in that realm almost like in a way to me almost

like some of the british humor stuff like with

monty python is and and then things of that nature

in a different way but like same yeah i feel

that i get um and i you know so i get that it's

doing all of that intentionally uh i think tim

curry is uh off the charts like bananas and i'm

not saying that in a bad way like i get why people

like praise his performance and all of that like

that is the center piece of the movie and so

i 100 appreciate that the um the only thing that

kept me from shutting this off way before it

ended was because number one i can't stand doing

that like i just have to watch films all the

way through no matter how much i like or dislike

them and like number two because we were recording

a podcast on this um if it wasn't for those two

things i would not have made it through this

like really i i didn't enjoy a minute of this

like um outside i shouldn't say i didn't enjoy

a minute of it like i appreciated parts of it

i appreciated things that it was doing i myself

did not enjoy a lot of it like um i think there's

a couple songs that are okay I think the song

that they do around the dinner table, which seems

to be a theme in a couple of the films that we've

watched here, this whole dinner table sequence,

like we saw with Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but

there's that sequence where the other individual,

the other outsider, I can't remember his name,

but the other doctor or whatever he is, comes

in and they're sitting around that dinner table

and they have that song. I appreciated that one.

I do think Time Warp is... a decent song but

like if i was like naming like my top 100 favorite

songs from musicals none of these would be in

there um i'm pretty sure i could get to 100 before

i got to them um and yeah like i get that all

of it's intentional the a lot of the sexual stuff

just the rapey like stuff i i don't know like

it i i didn't enjoy it well that's a bummer but

yeah i'm glad i watched it because it was a blind

spot i'm not i'm not mad that i watched it i

just got done with it and i was like i think

that may have been one of the most ridiculous

films i've ever seen which i know it's that's

the point it just didn't work as much for me

yeah i mean it's one of those things that you

have to be in its vibe and if you're not it's

not because it doesn't change that vibe it's

no no it's well it starts off you know with the

the wedding and things like a little like you

know plain and ordinary and then obviously once

we get to the the castle it just gets it gets

extreme it gets uh more and more crazy like i'm

surprised by the music piece because i mean i

have i i have no music skill whatsoever i like

i don't understand it's like impressive from

a musical standpoint you know like like the actual

like instrumentation of it and like all of that

stuff like i'm not saying they're badly composed

songs yeah they're just not songs that like i

would be like i'm not going to turn on the soundtrack

to this movie and watch and listen to it in my

car like you said you would do with hamilton

yeah i mean there might be a couple i do i do

like time warp that's like that's a good like

you know uh i guess as i said if you're looking

to get a bunch of summer campers excited it it

was effective uh in doing that uh other ones

you know not so much i guess maybe but but i

was i was also kind of shocked that like this

was tim curry's like film debut like that's that

to me is a bit crazy obviously he acted before

this but he comes off so much presence and just

command like immediately the fact that this was

his first movie is is crazy to me but my favorite

part is when they show him in the in the the

background of the wedding at the beginning it's

just like totally not the character that he's

going to be for the rest of the film I didn't

honestly, on the first watch, even notice that

until we kind of circle back and come back around

for a bit. Speaking of like, so speaking of Tim

Curry, like when you think of Tim Curry, do you

have a role that comes to mind first? Because

I'm kind of embarrassed by what like mine is

when I think of Tim Curry. Oh, now I'm more curious

for years because mine's going to not be, mine's

not, I guess, embarrassing as well. Mine doesn't

do it a good service because. literally the first

thing i thought of when you just said that was

was home alone too and then probably because

i just seen that and then um like muppet treasure

island like i don't know why those are the two

that come to me i mean he's great in both of

those it could be worse because mine would be

mikhail's navy uh okay i thought you're gonna

go pennywise or something no well i have never

i don't know if i've ever seen that but put it

on next year's and i watched that movie i don't

know why i watched the movie a bunch i think

it was always on comedy central and it was like

the first time like i i think i saw tim curry

or whatever maybe probably tomalin too but didn't

realize it i never like and then his you know

his voice is so distinct and everything like

that like it he he struck me at like within that

uh within that film so that's like the first

thing i always think of which is not yeah yeah

that comes to my mind but the mccale's navy that

is i would not i'm not proud of it yeah there

was you know tom arnold had that moment in the

90s uh for a bit you know with that stupid and

other movies like that but yeah for some reason

but i just say that because you know that's a

big reason i wanted to do this was because this

is like i need to not make that the movie i go

to right they won't be anymore tim curry's yeah

so i i could see this is certainly a a career

defining performance and it's hard to i can imagine

like anyone trying to do the stage production

and do that role justice because it's got to

be it's got to be a challenge that's stepping

into some big shoes like when it went in the

film did you realize like okay now i'm out like

how like how soon was that i was worried from

jump dan really it gave me such a monty python

feel of something that i knew was like out of

my because i'm not a fan of monty python or a

lot of british humor in general um and you can

kind of get that feel like when you sit down

to watch something monty python related you know

it immediately and i felt like it was similar

here like i was like oh we're about to go in

directions that is not up my alley i i do think

i appreciate i if i was rating like if i broke

the movie into thirds and i said like the first

third the middle third and the final third i

think i preferred the bookends like how it begins

in the first third and maybe like the ending

third maybe was the best third for me The middle,

I was not high on. I don't know what it was about

the main part where they're in the castle with

all of the Tim Curry seducing them and the Rocky

character and stuff like that. I was like, I

just don't know if this is for me. That was probably

my problem with it. But you get the feel immediately

once they're... setting the stage that it's kind

of has that feel and then like especially once

you get into the first song you're like this

is exactly you know that you're probably going

to like it or not i feel like right from there

yeah and i like honestly going into this i i

had no idea what the story was or the plot was

or what was there even a villain this like where

it would go i did not expect it to turn into

them being aliens and like that being a thing

it is just this mishmash of you know ed wood

type of storytelling within this you know upping

the horniness of it and then just going you know

full tilt with it i could imagine that this came

out today it would drive a lot of people crazy

but i don't know like i just i just was like

i'm i'm i'm on board i don't know i just did

you have a favorite character besides tim curry

uh i was surprised with like how much i enjoyed

susan sarandon yeah i'm not surprised by it but

like i think of her as such more of a serious

actress and like seeing her and kind of like

the playing a character that is not at all that

was was interesting for sure i did find it interesting

that that riffraff character who was played by

richard o 'brien as the guy that wrote the whole

musical yeah like that was clever and i did like

me know some performance i was sad to see him

go and such a horrific manner per se And then

I did and I could see that like where I saw like,

you know, that British Monty Python was when

I kept going to Charles Gray's character, you

know, where it's like, OK, well, now he's serious.

And, you know, the juxtaposition of that serious

British individual trying to explain the absolute

insanity of what is happening here. What about

just the design, like how it utilized the sets

and moving from one location to the next, the

special effects, which were. you know interesting

i was you know anything about that entry i thought

that part was fine like i i thought the settings

and things of that nature were were good um as

far as that goes i thought i i appreciated the

all the um cutouts i guess you would call it

to the what are we calling him like the narrator

or the um You know who I'm talking about. Yeah,

the expert, I think is his name or something

like that. Yeah, so I enjoyed the ways that that

was kind of interwoven by Charles Gray or whatever,

the criminologist expert guy. I liked how that

kind of went into it. I didn't mind the mechanics

of it so much. With the movement from place to

place and the settings and the castle and all

of that stuff, that all... was fine with me it

yeah it really comes down to like the music the

characters like the nonsense of it like and i

get that's intentional i'm not trying to fault

something for being cheesy that's meant to be

cheesy like that's not the problem i had it was

just for some reason like the only thing i can

think of that's even close which is not british

humor i guess so much as it is like i guess canadian

humor but like the this is gonna be a weird connection

i guess but like the the live action early nickelodeon

show you can't do that on television oh yeah

i think that that's that itself i think takes

a lot from multi python as well so that makes

sense yeah like that's the closest i get to this

like i i truly enjoyed that show um and appreciated

that or maybe i was just better i was more open

-minded in my younger days i don't know like

i think i think maybe my main problem with this

is more around the sexual elements like not that

it's serious or anything like that it just i

don't know it didn't i don't know it's not shocking

just to be shocking or it's not like bizarre

just to be bizarre i don't think it's doing that

but for some reason like watching all of that

and like trying to follow along and feel like

i was along for the ride with everybody like

i i don't know if i could do that so it was something

more so like the fact that like frankenfurter

was trying to basically control everyone with

his limp libido and yeah kind of the the tragedy

of the the rocky character and yeah i did like

the rocky character like i thought he was one

of my favorite characters in it um and i did

appreciate the the two other females magenta

and columbia magenta and columbia i think is

her name um i had a question for you dan if I

know you said on the stage, if someone were to

try to step into the Tim Curry role and stuff

like that, that would probably be big shoes to

fill. Similar things to that. If this movie was

remade today, who would be the director? Who

would be Tim Curry's character? And who would

be Magenta? Because I feel like it would 100

% be the only three people you could name. I'm

not saying it's good. A good choice for anybody

who would want to see it. I'm trying to think

of someone. It's hard to say because I don't

know people who have musical talent or not. That's

true. I didn't think about it from that aspect.

My guess is that Tata Wakiti comes to mind as

a director. I don't know. I don't know if that

would work. I have no idea. I'm trying to think

of people I know that could potentially pull

off the singing portion of it. I didn't consider

that part. The singing portion might disqualify

this. Again, I know that nobody would want to

see this. it screamed to me that i was shocked

that this had not been turned into a tim burton

johnny depp and helena bottom carter movie oh

yeah uh i mean people would would would hate

it and people would like not like the fact that

they were doing this but to me this is the exact

type of thing i would expect out of that trio

yeah i don't know i i feel like with tim burton

like i don't ever get the the sexual freedom

of like no that's true with his stuff i just

thought more of like from an artistic standpoint

like just being out there and like yeah i think

they certainly like especially helena bottom

carter because i kept thinking that person had

to be helena bottom carter even though and she

can and she can sing because she was in uh you

know was it like i mentioned ed wood and clearly

burton was inspired by ed wood so i do think

they have similar inspirations for sure so i

i could i get where that compares maybe a little

less johnny up but a little bit more like tim

burton i i guess i just kept seeing helena bonham

carter in that character of magenta oh yeah i

could totally see her doing this she does i mean

i i would i would agree that that would that

makes sense um for sure but well so what do you

think about that kind of that change i know you

talked about it a couple times with the aliens

and whatnot but when we get riffraff and magenta

kind of like change the tone dramatically there

towards the end with everything that's happening.

And then we have, you know, Tim Curry's character,

you know, at one point is thinking that he's

performing in front of a whole group of people

that are applauding. And then, you know, obviously

like the whole way that this movie kind of changes

in that respect and kind of works towards the

end. What was your takeaways and feeling on that?

Well, you know, obviously there, there, I was

waiting for it because they're certainly hinting

at it. Like what was happening? I was shocked

when they come out in those outfits, you know,

the, their space outfits and. whatever you want

to call it i'm like oh this just complete like

it grungy groundskeeper type of guy and now suddenly

he's you know like in flash gordon yeah does

it make sense i don't know i don't know if it's

trying to to make sense i think it's just like

this let's do this now it's like a fever dream

and i think it stayed stay true to that in the

sense of it i never knew what was going to happen

next or where it would go or like if what what

i was watching was really even happening So,

and things like that usually would bother me.

And for whatever reason, I think it was just

the energy of it. Even just watching it home

by myself, it was certainly captivating enough

to make up for, you know, any lack of like sanity

that I would expect from some sort of narrative.

Yeah. Riff Raff did, he made a career out of

it, man. Like he, he's still active doing stuff.

Like he's a recurring voice on Phineas and Ferb.

He has TV credits and movie credits going up

to like 2020, 2025, somewhere in there. There

you go. Good on him. I don't know what The Crystal

Maze is. He was a presenter on that for 55 episodes.

I have no clue what that is. Somebody that's

listening will have to clue me in on what The

Crystal Maze is. You can't guess some British

game show because they have a ton of them. Yeah,

that definitely could be. It aired from 1990

to 1993. And then a revival in 2016. british

game show you're right yeah see like the british

you know i think great britain and japan like

they love their game shows they're very different

we do sometimes yeah like i feel like game shows

used to be a completely different thing and then

now it's like there's they still can hit every

once in a while but it doesn't feel like it's

the same as it was back in the like i don't know

the 70s like in the 80s seemed like they were

just chock full of like adult game shows on tv

yeah another one they come out they're just people

naming like there's that i don't know what it's

called the floor or whatever and yeah they just

literally they're always trying to do something

they never last and then they just named like

they're just looking at a picture and naming

it i'm like this is this is how far we've fallen

like this is like we this is the you know we

can't even answer questions it's like oh that's

a tree you got it right i'm like that's what

we do with little kids with flash cards yeah

so yeah not the same it's not the same as back

in the day completely off topic but you know

That's the energy of Rocky Horror. Honestly,

I did not expect you to like this as I'm going

through it. I'm like, oh, Kevin's going to hate

this so much. Congrats on finishing it. I did.

I made it through. I've seen it. No longer a

blind spot. I'll stick with my little shop of

horrors. You ever think, would you ever give

it a shot? Like, you know what? I didn't like

it, but let me see if I go into a room of people

that love it with that. at all be something you

do i would if i was in the right frame of mind

and i was seeing it with the right group of people

i don't know if alcohol would have to be involved

or not i'm not a big drinker but i feel like

it may be more effective but like maybe if it

was like i don't want to call it a crappy movie

but like if i was watching it under the terms

of like a crappy movie night like with the right

group that we're just gonna i think that's i

think that's exactly what this is meant to be

so i think that is you know it's i was thinking

like this this would be like you know a perfect

like mystery science theater 3000 and it's basically

let's make that but with people that are talented

and can sing and so it is you know i think it

and maybe if i heard the music more some of the

songs would grow more on me like it's hard when

you've only heard a song once like right like

even even really good musicals it doesn't always

hit like the first time you hear the songs like

sometimes it's as you like get to know the songs

a little bit more for like all the ones that

you you know you knew the songs before you even

watched it too so maybe knowing the music a little

bit more watching it with the right group under

the right circumstances it could work better

watching it by myself uh in my room alone with

with with no group no crowd no alcohol no commentary

may not have been the right choice dan yeah true

you know but you know we do it for the curry

so there we go but we we will at least, you know,

be returning to some normalcy as we have ended

our, our horror block. I'm sure you're, you're

happy about it. Dan, I'm already thinking about

what we can do next year. Like I'm not anti knocking

some of these off. Like we've, we've made a few

different mentions like already, like let's put

a it and, and hell razor and whatever else we

can throw in there next year. Yeah. I mean, yeah,

we can keep the Tim Curry. I mean, that is a,

is a mini series. I don't know if that counts,

but, but, uh, although the the movies like are

yeah like just as long so who knows right but

uh what are we getting back to next week as we

return to our western retrospective yeah so we

are keeping it in the 70s i don't know if this

worked out like serendipitously or like how it

worked out but we just covered four films from

72 through 75 and now we're jumping into a western

from 1976 so i guess we should be in the right

frame of mind here but we're going to be jumping

back into the revisionist western block with

a film entitled the outlaw josie wales which

i know is a a well -known title uh dan first

time watch or have you seen this one before no

first time watch so keeping that going too yeah

staying in the 70s staying with double blind

spot films so yeah we're turning to uh clint

eastwood it's been a bit so i'm happy to to i

will say that after this night 1976 visit in

our fifth film in a row between 1972 and 1976

we will be traveling at the the time the speed

of light into the 2020s for our next western

so that should be a shock in and of itself so

definitely looking forward to that and then like

uh we talked about we still have a couple planet

of the apes films to cover as well kingdom and

what's the last one or no kingdom's last one

because war is next and then You have the war

and then you get the kingdom. That's the rules.

I'm still confused of Rise and Dawn. So none

of the names make sense to me. I'm still confused

of how the world ended in the second one and

we're still like nine movies deep. So there you

go. I love it. I love it. So if you've enjoyed

our horror or Halloween themed content or if

you have any comments about our Western retrospective,

our apes. wait, our monkey movie marathon. Or

if you have a request or things that you would

love us to cover in the future, we're probably

not going to listen to it, but we are always

planning future retrospectives. So if you have

something you would love to see us do a series

on, feel free to drop us some comments. Dan,

how can they do that? Yeah, if you want to set

something and let us ignore it, no. Honestly,

we will do things because we didn't originally

think about doing Planet of the Apes. you know

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i have it tailored to it's like a it's like pandora

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