A Celebration of All Things Star Trek

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This is bad comedy. Hello and welcome to Movie

Week in Review. We are celebrating the monumental

episode 100 here on our 4 year anniversary show.

And no haha from the peanut gallery there. Yeah,

it's like it's like TPU. We just roll with it.

There's a roll with it, right? It's very autobot

Lee of you. Who is that jerk? Oh, wait a minute.

I may introduce myself That's in the next line

spreading that double -d double dinobot DNA all

over the place Anyways, we're covering all things

Star Trek, not double Dinobot DNA or double dumbass

on you. Oh wait, that is a Star Trek quote. I

am your host, Steve Megatron Phillips, and joining

me in this episode of Epic Proportions is...

DfJo and Mike. And Peek on the court, Michael.

Hey, how's it going? Hey, it's the trio again.

Yes, that's right. Would have been a quartet,

but there was a solo problem with internet, so...

You know, we couldn't hand that back to him.

I almost had that last week, actually. Good thing

we weren't recording last week, then. Yeah, well,

we were scheduled to, and then my computer went,

oh! That's funny. Yeah, well, luckily I figured

it out quickly and fixed the issue. Well, if

I was scared there, I thought I was going to

be without a computer for a while. Yeah, the

board took his computer over, ladies and gentlemen.

The board. The board. You know my headphones

are on I can hear you, but yeah, I'm just not

sure what you said That'll be an ongoing issue

here the sound design, but nobody's home Can't

hear you la la la So yes, so before we get into

this I understand that this is technically not

a show for the general conversation For for the

movie we can review that is but this is a warranted

special coverage with reasoning that it has as

many films as they've had over the years and

this franchise has been going on almost 50 years

now and has changed the face of science fiction

forever that's true and plus when we first conceived

of MWIRE we originally before we even had the

first episode out on iTunes or wherever we originally

slated 102 beast all things Star Trek Like right

at the genesis of the show, Steve and I said,

75 is Star Wars, 100 is Star Trek. Actually,

we argued back and forth which was going to be

which. And you're like, no, 100 has to be Star

Trek. We're finally here, though. Yes, finally.

100 is a big number. I mean, that's a lot of

podcasts. Oh, yeah. What's sadder is. That or

more sad because I don't think that's an actual

word. Um that it took four years to do Not only

that Being that it was one of the founding shows

Shoot GCR still not there yet Is the fact that

turn off his AC Sorry, yep, that should turn

off his AC go ahead but anyways, um We've done

probably I don't know like over a thousand episodes

I would guess between all the shows not all of

us have been on all of them easily other than

like um so yes because I have no life thank you

and he confirms it for the world and right now

he's roasting in his oven of an apartment with

no AC yeah him and his floor nuts roasting on

an open fire Keep this thing going now, please.

Yes. Yeah, um, you're fully off of script at

this point. Yes Briefly, that's why I had to

write one so that I could kind of figure out

where to bring it back in Normally, I'm not this

organized normally. I'm like, yeah, I'll fly

by the seat of my pants But it doesn't seem to

work sometimes as you know, you're gonna do as

you'll hear in episode 101 we kind of flew by

the seat of our pants and Well, that'll be evident

in the next episode Yes, I did record them out

of order. So briefly, how did you get into Star

Trek? I I was a TNG kid You know Picard and wharf

Geordi all you know number one All that entire

show is what I watched as a kid in it, you know,

7, 8, 9 years old, 87, 88, 89. So for me, that

was my Star Trek. I would say that I'm more of

a casual fan. I'm nowhere near a die -hard Star

Trek fan. I pick Star Wars over Star Trek any

day. But I do enjoy the franchise. I do enjoy

certain aspects of it. In the early 90s, I had

to move with my dad and my step -mom and the

choice was for Sunday mornings, you could either

watch reruns of Classic Track or go to church.

So I begrudgingly sat through reruns of Classic

Track. Don't get me wrong, I don't... Believe

that classic Star Trek is bad at all. It's just

if you're forced to do something you don't want

to do it and I as a kid Starting off with TNG

and then going back to the classic. I just didn't

care for the show as a kid I haven't gone back

recently and watched it, but I just I didn't

care The first Star Trek movie I ever saw was

first contact as far as like seeing any theater

And I love that. I thought that was great. I

kind of miss out on Generations. I still have

yet to see that. Which, that's the whole point

of the upcoming Star Trek spotlight here on MWIRE,

is we'll all watch the movies again. I have absolutely

no interest in motion picture through undiscovered

country. I just... Don't have the time. I don't

have the energy to try to track them all down

When the reboot happened like right now that

crew That's my Kirk and Spock at this point with

with JJ Abrams reboot So that's where I'm kind

of coming from the only comic as far as that

goes and we'll bring this up later the only comic

I've ever read was the Star Trek 21 from IDW

the after darkness, which is the quote -unquote

Comic sequel to the current Star Trek film out

the games never played any of them the books

in the comics Like I said, I've never really

read any of them. So that's where I'm coming

from Michael uh, you know I'm I'm older so I

So I watched the original series long before

there was the next generation and Yeah, I was

a big Kirk fan, Shatner fan, let's say, from

way back when. But like you, my love of Star

Wars overshadows my love of Star Trek. And by

the time The Next Generation came out, I was

in college. I didn't have time to watch it. In

fact, it was kind of like Beast Wars for me,

and Transformers, where Beast Wars came out and

I'm off. Living my life, you know, I just didn't

notice it. It came and went I couldn't I Couldn't

be expected to find myself in front of a television

at any given point in time and this was long

before DVR So no, I never saw any of those it

was years later that I started catching next

generation on on cable You know in syndication

But no, I was a big original series fan and and

then you know by the time DS9 came out I started

watching more TV because I was you know working

and I'd stay up late and watch it but Voyager

I want to say Voyager was like a guilty pleasure

of mine especially by the time 7 of 9 came out

When Jerry Ryan came to the show. Bow chick -a

-wow -wow. I know, in that cat suit, I know.

I actually went to Chicago and sat in line to

meet her once. And yeah, it was like, oh, yeah,

she's like the prettiest girl ever. You're like,

the Holy Grail has been reached. Exactly. And

then by the time Enterprise came out, you know,

it's like, oh, I'm in, I'm all in, you know.

All my cards on the table, deal me in. And I

was really disappointed. when enterprise did

not get to seven seasons series since the original

yeah tng made seven seasons ds9 made seven seasons

voyager made seven seasons there's absolutely

no reason why enterprise couldn't have gone on

for seven seasons uh and everybody knows that

it takes at least two seasons for syndication

well not syndication but for a trek uh series

to find its feet yeah Mean, honestly boys to

begin with. Yeah. Well the first season of Enterprise

was like Riker didn't have his beard yet You

know those there was he got to find your feet

the first couple seasons of Voyager. Oh boy.

Were they bad? Yeah, it's just like oh, oh, this

is awful But no, I really enjoyed the first season

of Enterprise the second season Maybe a little

less because they were making some questionable

decisions, but I had high hopes for like a third

season I don't know. You know, and I'm one of

those that really enjoyed the movies in the theaters.

Some of them I was kind of wishing I hadn't seen

in the theaters. But, you know, like you, First

Contact. Probably one of my favorite movies.

You know, mainly because I hadn't seen Wrath

of Khan in the theater. I was way too little

back then. Yeah. Well, maybe not. I saw Return

of the Jedi in the theater. That came out about

the same time. When did Wrath of Khan get released?

82. 82, yeah. Yeah, you were old enough. You

were almost 10 years old at that point. Yeah,

I probably could have gone, I suppose. But, you

know, I didn't have any friends that were hardcore

Star Trek fans at the time. I don't think Star

Trek fans skew into that age range, honestly.

I think that's more the... You know science fantasy

crowd the Star Wars that type of thing. It's

when you get in the college When you start learning

more about science and technology and it occurs

to you that holy crap all this stuff in TNG is

plausible Yeah At that point you become more

of a fan. It's a it's a it's a it's really older

age group Yeah I don't see how Riker is even

in Enterprise, since Enterprise took place 100

years before Kirk. Why is Riker in Enterprise?

You said Riker didn't have his beard yet. No,

I meant TNG, yeah. The first season of TNG. It

was really kind of slow. I mean there wasn't

yeah an enterprise and I'm like wait a second

You know clarify I was I was I was making a point

there that that they they shouldn't have cancelled

enterprise so early because Historically, it

takes a couple of seasons for Star Trek series

to find their feet. Yeah What about you Steve?

Where did you start? Where do I begin at the

beginning? Well, at the beginning, I was... No,

never mind. No, the thing that started for me

was both my parents grew up on Star Trek, the

original series. So, we kind of had a tradition

that when new episodes would come out every week

of The Next Generation, we would watch them when

they would air. And in between during the week...

Yeah, I mean it was great we we watched it every

week that was kind of just you know The only

time that the TV was allowed to be on during

dinner Wow Literally We would ignore phone calls

at dinner, so I mean if Star Trek was a big thing

your parents were hardcore Yeah, we didn't have

TVs in our room. Well, I should scratch that

I didn't have a TV in my room when I moved out

my brother's got TVs in their rooms, so That's

another story um No, so I mean we watched the

next generation every week My mom ordered me

This dates it to a bunch of VHS tapes of the

original series and the next generation that

we get to watch and also caught reruns of the

original series on Sci -fi and other channels

that played it at the time. So I mean, it was

one of those things that I just, I grew up on

it. And then one of my birthdays in the early

90s, I think it was right after The Undiscovered

Country came out. It was probably in 92 when

it was on VHS and everything. I got the six film.

VHS collection where you put every film side

-by -side and it would show the enterprise. Oh

Yeah, I've seen those I had that entire set so

I watched the crap out of all the VHS tapes all

the time So whenever I was playing in the basement,

I was watching Star Trek. I primarily it was

Star Trek 6 which was my favorite and it still

is one of my favorites to this day, but It's

Also, I have the infatuation with the Enterprise

A for whatever reason. That's pretty much what

started me out in the entire franchise. From

there, I watched DS9, I watched the Star Trek

films. The only Star Trek film I've missed in

theater out of between 7 and 12 now. I missed

Insurrection in theater, which I'm kind of glad.

You're not missing much. Well, I've and I'll

get into that too. That film is, as I stated

in Future Imperfect with Dodd, is it's basically

a run on two parter TNG episode. Basically, it's

it's not even really a film. The rest of them

were films. This was it felt like it should have

been in TNG. In the series it even played the

intro outro music of The TV show. Yeah, so But

I was one of those where it's like like they're

gonna they're gonna lose the rights to something

if they don't hurry up and use it Yeah, so they

just we're like, I will slide it in there and

be slick about it together. Yeah and then I Watched

es9 and I watched the first season and they kind

of got out of it just cuz it bored me It was

a little too out there for me. Although if I

would have stuck with it after season 3 it got

great so Same thing with Voyager I watched the

first season and then I started getting a job

and I just I didn't care anymore and then Enterprise

I really didn't care because they superseded

a lot of Stuff that happened in the original

series like first appearances of certain aliens

technologies appearing They were basically retconning

stuff from the other four series, so it kind

of threw me for a loop. But yeah, that's pretty

much where I got into it. Scott Bakula will always

be Sam for me. I don't care how many people tell

me, oh, we'll give Enterprise a chance. I'm sorry.

Anything 100 years before Kirk, that's like saying...

Hordak was around 100 years before the birth

of Prince Adam, you know, I just there's no way

that I would After we finish this episode I'm

probably actually gonna go back and go through

TNG on Netflix and in DS 9 because I remember

really enjoying DS 9 Voyager I'll have to pick

no I will argue though that going back and watching

them. I Enjoyed them more now that I can sit

there and understand them and appreciate them.

I'm sure Enterprise would be the same way if

I gave it a chance, but I'm not going to yet

until I have to watch it for Future Imperfect.

It's mostly been television and film, it seems,

for the three of us. I mean, I know, Steve, you've

done some of the stuff with the games and stuff

and... I've had my hand in every part of Trek.

That sounds so wrong. I didn't finger Trek, I

just said I had my hand on it. I didn't play

with it. Oh boy. Alright, um... But... Yeah,

so, since that's our brief intro, we'll be back

after the following clips with Star Trek The

Series. a new civilization. Space. The final

frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship

Enterprise. Its continuing mission. To explore

strange new worlds. To seek out new life and

new civilizations. To boldly go where no one

has gone before. to cover the series of Star

Trek and wanna take a guess at how many series

there are? That's a rhetorical question. It's

written down somewhere, crap. I know. It could

be in the script. Six. Yes. Six series, so apparently

seven did not eat nine. And ten. Ew. That's including

the animated series? Yes. Yes. Yes, there's the

original series the animated series TNG DS 9

Voyager and Enterprise and then of course There's

various fan and actor revivals that have gone

on beyond that Some of those are pretty good.

I'm really not to go too far off topic, but I'm

really looking forward to Star Trek renegades

I've heard that it's It's got Admiral Chekhov.

Nice. And you have Tuvok. And those two are the

head of Starfleet security. And there's something

going on with Starfleet where it's not quite

right. And so Chekhov sends Tuvok with the renegade

band of Starfleet officers and non -Starfleet.

gear and ships and weaponry to try and figure

out what's going on and the conspiracy and everything

and try and correct everything. It's a series

they're working on and it's coming along fairly

well. There's no episodes yet, but there's trailers.

Oh, there was an episode. I forget the name of

it, but they they do a really good job of Recreating

the original series sets and and there's uh of

guys and men Is that the one where Sulu is old?

No Now there's this There's this episode that

they literally it's fan made and they they brought

oh Hack they brought George to cut George to

Kay. Sorry into it George to Kay and to Kay is

he's old Sulu exactly Yeah, they take old Sulu

and old Sulu was in a transporter accident or

something and he was beamed to a planet And he

had to live there for 50 years and he had a daughter.

And then they somehow beamed him and his daughter

back to the enterprise. And so you've got young

Sulu and old Sulu in the same thing. And at the

end, I won't tell you how it ends, but it's just

very interesting because you've got this savage

land Sulu who's 70 years old and he's protecting

his daughter from... from the lecherous Kirk,

because he knows exactly what Kirk wants to do

with her. Take her back to his quarters. Have

you learned about kissing on your planet? I'm

surprised, you know, I'm surprised you haven't

heard of this. I want to look it up now on the

internet. Love, God's, and Men has Oprah and

Chekhov and John Harriman. Ah. See I would I

would I would love to see nowadays John Chu and

George Takei get together and have young and

old Sulu the kind of like what they did in the

captains with Shat and fine. Well, they've done

that with Spock and Spock Yeah, a car commercial.

Oh, that was awesome That's just it's terrible.

It's like you got like letter D way Don't know.

It's like smoking a joint in the car or something.

He's just poking around There was a video recently

it was I forget what the band is I forget the

name I'm so woefully I'm prepared here, but the

head chat and I said add Nimoy and he's just

Putting her around his house and his underwear

And then he rolls himself out of bed and goes

to the goes to the grocery store and he's like

pushing his cart around and And, you know, just

being mean to people. It's just a really awful

old man. And then, like, pulls out a joint in

the middle of the grocery store, and they have

to escort him off the premises or something.

So he's basically Galvatron gone nuts. Oh, yeah,

basically. It's a... Yeah, it's like an insane

nemoi. Just being a dick in his neighborhood.

Nobody likes him. Hmm. Kind of wish I had again

really wish I'd remembered this this is recent.

This isn't too long ago Someone's gonna hear

this and be like I know that one Maybe mention

it in the comments or something. But yes, it

was hilarious to feedback at geek cast radio

calm It's one of those things I want to say I

tweeted about it within the last year Anyway

what continue on I'm sorry anyways So what are

some of your favorite of the of the series? We're

just gonna kind of do like a rough overview of

all of them So that we don't get too in -depth

with every one of them just kind of do a rundown

of each one that you may or may not remember

and elements of them that you liked For me with

TOS even though as a kid I didn't care for it

You still have all the classic lines classic

Spock lines the Vulcan nerve pinch and you know

Scotty and all that his comedy entails and and

and everything else and that's what I enjoyed

about that series again, I'm going to have to

Go back eventually and rewatch the series now

and see if any of it really I think my problem

with watching the original series is when I watched

the captain's documentary they showed different

clips and stuff from the original series and

I the picture is just so bad I know it's 60s

television I get it but hell Batman 66 looks

better than Star Trek maybe it was the film degradation

I don't know maybe it was the The kind of film

they used back then I'm not sure but I just cannot

watch it big now because of the way It is it

looks it has nothing to do with the fact that

I'm not gonna watch it because of oh I hate the

series It is just it doesn't look good to me

at all as far as the overall film the animated

series I can safely say I've never seen it. I

don't even think I even want to see it I know

eventually we will get to it on to cast beyond

but Right now I Did they hold over any voice

actors? Did they use any of the original people

for voices? Yes, they used everyone And I don't

think that they had Leonard Nimoy in it now they

replaced it with some cat girl. Yeah See, that's

you know, it's funny. Yeah, I did all the voices

for just about everybody in that Like all the

extras if you if you watch Teenage Mutant Ninja

Turtles the current series and I Want to say

it's Donatello that's really into the oh What's

it called? It's called something like space heroes

or something I don't know it's it's Leo. He's

into the Star Trek. Yeah. Yeah, I know exactly

what you're doing It's a huge ripoff on Star

Trek the animated series to the point where somebody

was asking about that online like What is that

supposed to be and it's like and you kids nowadays,

you know So so yeah, I was actually sending out

links to people like check this out. You're gonna

love this stuff. Yeah With TNG, I absolutely

love it. Again, I'm going to have to rediscover

a lot of it, but I love all those characters.

Every single one of those characters has something

great about them. Between Picard, between Riker,

between Geordi, all of them have something unique

and awesome to offer for that series. DS9...

I remember it, but I don't remember it that well.

I remember enjoying it. Voyager and Enterprise,

I just don't care. What about you, Michael? That's

funny. I want to interject there about DS9. I

remember toward the end, they kept having these

Dominion Wars episodes. They were really cool.

There was a lot of really neat scenes. Then there

would be, Throwaway baseball episode. Oh my dad

needs a baseball. It's like screw your dad. I

want to see ships blowing up in space, man I

want to see another gem of our splatter. It's

awesome But uh, yeah, I know I mean favorite

moments for me are mostly revolver on the original

series, you know You've got a lot of damage him,

you know, and you've got a lot of You know, I'm

giving it all she got she kept taking them all

you know, it's that type of thing that That's

kind of ingrained in my head and pops out when

you know when I least expect it But yeah, I mean

like I said next generation wasn't so much my

thing and I really didn't get into the series

again until Voyager and Voyager and DS9 were

running concurrently so once it occurred to me

that Star Trek was pretty cool You know, maybe

I'll watch some Voyager and by then, you know,

the Dominion War kicked in which was again really

cool Yeah, it was really neat and That was that

was pretty much it for me. I mean honestly, I

can't look at enterprise and say oh enterprise

was You know chock full of stuff that That never

left me and it was ingrained into my consciousness

because it really wasn't You know the stuff that's

really there with me forever is gonna be the

the old original series Yeah, and plus really

who can really look at Scott Bakula and not think

Sam from quantum leap. I know You know, it's

like the beam in you know, actually, I think

Dean Stockwell did beam in with at least one

episode What about you Steve Well for me the

original series in the next generation to me

are my two favorites I just Those are the two

that that resonate the most with me the original

series because I love the cast I Love the characters.

They're they're dynamic how they're relating

to each other They're tight -knit group that

you get to see them go on so many adventures

in the feature films And they are the only cast

or an in crew that have had the most films in

the entire franchise Yeah, despite having the

shortest Seasonal series Yeah So, I mean I really

like those the next generation I love the the

the new iteration how it continues with the enterprise

and You know this new generation and then you

have characters that are similar to the original

series, but they're their own thing. Oh Yeah,

I mean there's no way in hell you can consider

Ryker as The next Sulu. Yeah, I really I fail

to see the similarities. I think they they went

completely fresh slate They said, you know, the

only character that's returning here is the ship

and even then you couldn't barely recognize it

well, I mean it was a new, you know, it was just

sent, you know a new descendant of the ship,

but You can almost relate the data is like Spock

you could almost you know relate that Riker is

like Kirk. I might buy that, okay, sure. Which

would be why Riker knows so much about Kirk and

everything throughout the series. I mean, some

of the other characters, yeah, they're new, like

Geordi and the visor thing. Worf being the first,

you know... Klingon. Klingon, which, you know,

you can almost relate to Ohura in the sense that

she was the first, you know... African American.

African American on the Enterprise bridge. I

mean in that sense it was like a first kind of

a new, you know race type thing on the ship kind

of breaking boundaries and then But I mean other

than that they're all they're all pretty new

or something different Because you don't have

the bones dynamic Well after watching relics

I would say that Jordy is Eventually, he becomes

he becomes the Scotty, but he doesn't start out

that way No, not at all But I mean they all eventually

come into their own but I mean some of their

their basics are our original series And then

DS 9 I like it for it's it when it goes military

and they get the defiant That's when I really

start liking it. Yeah, I Didn't really much care

for the station part, but once they introduced

the defiant And it started getting into the Dominion

part then I started liking that show Voyager

I didn't like it till it was hit or miss for

the media on the episodes and then there's one

where they go back to seeing the Excelsior and

to Valk being on the ship and then The various

episodes with Q and then the episode where Janeway

commits genocide of the Borg And Enterprise like

I said, I have no opinion of but overall I like

the entire mess of it The animated series, I

know I've lost over that, and we covered that

in Future Imperfect, that is a terribly animated

show. Poorly animated. Yes, very poorly. The

voice actors were the actual actors, but it was

like they were phoning it in because it was so

bad. That's terrible. Mean it's I think with

today's technology if they were to do it again

and have an animated series I think it would

do well just for the fact that it would be cheaper

to do an animated series than an actual series.

Yeah So I can see them doing that but they can

even go CGI nowadays and it would be really nice.

Oh, yeah design Yeah, look like the video games.

I mean Yeah, I would I think with, yeah, with

a design. They already have a design. They've

did the video games. That's right. So, I mean,

it was just porting over. If it was written well.

You know, I think right now the franchise is

in a precarious place where as long as the writing

is well done, they, you know, they're going to

jump that shark. A decades long shark. Yes, that

they keep jumping down. Yeah, they messed up

the writing at this point and it's over. Oh,

I know. Look at 2002. You had Nemesis, which

was the final film until Abrams rebooted it in

2009. So it's seven years without a Trek film.

That's the longest span of time without a Star

Trek film since its original 79 release. It also

was the start of the end of Trek because in 2005

they cancelled Enterprise. We're still at a point

now where there's no Trek series and Paramount

and CBS have no ambition to create a new one.

They want to just keep going because I guess

Abrams wanted to bring a new series. using the

people and the cast and everything for the the

new film but Paramount and CBS said no, we're

not letting you Yeah, grow this into an expansive

universe. You're just gonna do the films Well

at that point the films are a cash cow. So no,

you're not gonna let you ruin that Well, right

and honestly at this point in time with the way

that television is nowadays I I don't even though

it's Star Trek and even if you make a series

that a lot of the fans any part of the fandom

is gonna like if it doesn't get those ratings.

I mean last two years for like big network television

things we've seen shows last one two three four

episodes before they just immediately pull the

plug because the network isn't getting the ratings

that they want right and. I don't want the franchise

of Star Trek to go down that road again. I'm

not saying it's not going to be popular. There's

a huge fan base for Star Trek. I'm just saying

that the networks are all about the money, just

like the studios are. But as you just said, Star

Trek 2009, it turned into a huge cash cow. So

I prefer them just making films at this point.

I think after they get done with this next film,

the third one in the rebooted series, I think

they should have a series again. I think it should

come back to TV. Because think about it, this

is a way different tangent, and it kind of touches

on the film aspect. But the feature film universe

is getting over saturated with too much of the

same stuff. So eventually it's going to come

crashing down around them unless they want to

cement it further by having a TV show. Yeah,

there's that I Mean look at superheroes eventually

that wall is going to come crashing down because

they keep putting out five six superhero movies

a year Right. So I mean movies at least I mean,

I mean it's so far if they put out another Fantastic

four, you know that that's That trend we come

to a crashing halt. Well, they're making one

actually If it was done right, it wouldn't. Marvel

Phase 2 was going to come crashing down, I have

a feeling, but that's, again, another subject.

Someone else died near Blanchard's neighborhood.

Yep. And silence. Anyways. Has everybody touched

on their series favorites? Yeah. We'll move on

to the games, which again, very brief. Do you

guys have any experience with the video games?

I've seen them. I don't have any interest in

playing any of them. I would rather play Super

Return of the Jedi. Super Return of the Jedi

than play any of the Star Trek games. Oh, that

was a cool game. Actually, those games were hard

as hell. Yeah, super Star Wars super super Empire

Strikes Back. Those were hard. I did not get

to the end of that one Anyway, but as far as

Star Trek games go Anyone who plays games and

and like Star Trek knows that There are no good

Star Trek games They've just been historically

very bad games I know There was a game My roommate

played it. I want to say it was like oh Hack

2002 somewhere around there There was a game

it was might have been a Voyager game based on

the unreal engine and my roommate said that was

pretty good and I forget the name of it offhand,

but you can actually walk around the bridge and

They had cameos from certain characters I never

played it I know they had that MMO that just

came out. Did you play that one Steve? Yeah,

the Star Trek online Yeah, yeah that game was

terrible my buddy my buddy when it was When it

was new actually bought He actually bought the

game and paid to play it and I was like, yeah,

there's no way in hell I'm paying to play that

I waited A year, it went free. I would rather

play DC Universe online than play that game.

Oh, so it's already done? The DC Universe? Star

Trek, Star Trek Online. I'm talking about the

Star Trek MMO, is it? Yeah, the Star Trek Online

that's been out, it's been out like two years

now, I think, and it's been free to play for

over a year. Huh. That's the kiss of death for

MMOs. Well, actually, they're all going that

direction. I mean, even while I was doing that.

Really? The Star Wars MMO started off really

strong from what I had read, and now they're

free to play. Well, they all start out to pay

and then now they're all free to play. But if

you want certain upgrades or the ability to add

expansions or do anything else, they charge you

for any kind of extra. It's basically like an

iPhone or an iPad game where you can buy a free

version and then you have to you know You have

in -game purchases see I I don't play MMOs for

one. I just can't I Yeah, I don't I don't do

that But no the most recent game had a crisp

pine Kirk versus the Gorn that was Where'd that

go? Is that is that come out yet? That video

game yeah Yeah, it's been out. Mike Dodd, I think,

said he played it and that sci -fi guy and they

said it was a mess. Oh, that's too bad. They

said something about the way proportions were

on the game and some other stuff in it. They

said that there was just user interface issues.

Well, that was supposed to kind of bridge the

gap between the first and the second movies and

show the dynamic between. The crispine Kirk and

me and the new Spock and how they how they became

friends or not so much friends But how they strengthen

their relationship? Not to say I wouldn't play

it though Yeah, well just to see the story I

mean just well what did happen between the first

movie and this is the first Abrams movie in the

second Abrams movie And that would be it would

be nice to play. I swear. I don't think I want

to pay 60 bucks for it No, and that's why I didn't

get it Well, you know, maybe next summer it'll

be on the steam summer sale for five bucks pick

it up then Yeah, I would I'd pick it up for five

bucks. I'd pick it up for I'll pick anything

up for five bucks I don't feel bad about chucking

it if I pay five bucks Yeah, exactly. I'll buy

that for a dollar for a dollar I mentioned it

earlier. I don't know if we want to use that

earlier clip Take or what? But originally, the

first Trek game that I ever played was a vector

-based arcade game. I might have been 10. My

dad would take me and my sister to the arcade

and just give us a few bucks and let us play.

One of the games was this Star Trek game. It

had a little enterprise that was a circle and

three lines. You moved it. In a 360 degree axis

with a spinner knob and there was a button for

torpedoes and there was a button for phaser I

want to say and then and then there was like

thrust and you would turn your turn your little

enterprise in the direction you wanted to go

and Thrust it forward and then shoot it at Klingons

and then occasionally you'd have to go back to

base to refill your your torpedoes it's a very

simple game it had like Asteroid like graphic

or like battle zone like graphics way basically

Star Trek version of space invaders Well, I would

say I would say Star Trek asteroids. I mean space

invaders wasn't vector based If you know a vector

based graphics are just like that It was like

little lines on the screen, you know was it wasn't

like pixels Anyway, but a long time ago, I think

it was the first Star Trek game that ever come

out and and I played the hell out of that thing

I must have put like a thousand quarters into

it over over the You know the course of however

long my dad would take us That's an exaggeration,

but yeah, yeah, yeah, I Are you done your exhaust

my knowledge of Star Trek video games, I don't

know much about them. Okay. I feel like they're

all bad Yeah, I will agree they are all bad every

last one of them Especially the ones that were

in DOS. Oh Yeah, there were a lot of DOS based

games and I read about those but I've never played

any Surprisingly enough there's Close to I think

close to 50 games video games of Star Trek. Are

we talking like video games? Like text based?

Like there's a path before you. Which way do

you go? 1971 was the text based and then 1972

was a script game and then the rest of them were

visual. Wow. Like 79 through 2013. Holy cow.

See I didn't get a computer until 90... Three

mmm, yeah something like that. Yeah, I had that

I had to buy my own computer For college But

yeah, that was That was a long time ago. No,

I will argue that like 73 jeez I mean, I didn't

even know there were computers since 73 let alone

Star Trek games. It was Apple computers and Atari

like a Commodore Yeah Yeah, 64 games apparently

coming to 64 games were supposed to be really

cool way back in the day But I didn't know there

was Star Trek. Yeah now there there were Star

Trek games for the computer I want to say they

were almost like Wing Commander games. Yeah,

there were there were several of that type. Yeah

But but bad I guess bad Wing Commander knockoffs

or something You know the genesis basically the

general rule of the Star Trek games as Steve

said they're all bad Now let me ask you guys

this Is that is there any studios? Maybe a certain

high moon that could actually make a good Star

Trek game Because after all I did make two good

transformers games. I think they could I I would

do they get the license or not. I wish they would

honestly because Uh, there's a trend over the

years. Um, and I'll kind of just go over it.

Uh, there's a bunch of different studios, but

the most common in there is Simon and Schuster.

Yeah. Uh, which did many of them. Um, Interplay

Entertainment, which is my guess no longer around.

Interplay used to make some good games back in

the day. Yeah. Back in the day, like I used to

have the Star Trek, the 25th anniversary game.

for DOS and it was a terrible game you had to

point and tell it where to go but there was no

instructions on what to do yeah and I eventually

got stuck in a cave and couldn't figure out how

to get out to get past the first episode that's

awful and there's like 13 in the in the game

or something like that yeah And then I had the

next generation of final unity which I didn't

get to play but it was by micro pros Which was

another studio that did several kind of good

games at the time. Yeah Star Trek Borg I've seen

video they actually had video and in that To

go along with the game like they had Q run in

the run in the ship. Oh Not really running it

but he was kind of instigating a Borg battle

with a ship and you kind of decided what to do

and He was seen video from that. Yeah, I watched

the whole put -together video on YouTube. That's

how I know about it Yeah, I think I've seen the

same thing you saw and it was It kept having

these little clips of John Delancey saying you

died. Yep. Yeah There was and again there was

a lot of Simon Schuster up until 2001, it looks

like. Interplay did a lot of games up until 2001.

And then, of course, in the early 2000s, you

start seeing Activision jumping in there. And

you would think their games would be better,

being that they're more known for gaming. Yeah,

I can't say that I can't say that Activision

makes bad games They don't but I think it has

a lot to do with the other studios. They're partnered

with Oh Is there always partner with another

video? Yeah, and they're always some random weird

name that you've never heard of before or after

And then eventually Activision lost a few and

then interplay got it back and then Activision

got it again and then they had Bethesda and then

for one game. What did Bethesda do? They did

Star Trek Legacy and a couple of PlayStation

2 games. Oh, that's it. Yeah, because Bethesda

usually puts out a good game. It was mostly,

you know, you fly the ship around type thing.

Ah, OK. Which was all right. And then Paramount

did a few and then Cryptic Studios did one and

then Game Forge was supposed to have one but

it got cancelled then digital extremes did the

new Star Trek 2013 That just came out I mean

it's Again there's not really any good Star Trek

games I wonder how difficult it would be to get

the license to Star Trek right now and not necessarily

to the the Abrams verse Star Trek but just the

old Yeah, I mean, let's say you wanted to do

something, I don't know, based on the books.

There's a series of books now that have nothing

to do with Kirk. I want to say it's like next

generation era, but it's a different crew on

a different ship, and it's called... Oh crap,

what are the books called? I don't remember the

name of the book. So anyway, but when it comes

down to is There's completely different Series

in the expanded universe fiction, let's say and

let's say you wanted to make a Video game based

on one of those how hard would it be? I wanted

to get the rights to that I mean, you think they'd

be throwing it at you at this point, like nobody

wants to make a game on that, why not? Go ahead.

That would be cool, actually, to see the studio

get a hold of it that actually wants it and kind

of get to play around a little bit. Yeah, I mean,

that would be interesting. I think it'd be cool

to see High Moon try and do it, but I really

doubt they want to. Yeah, I don't think they

want to either, but if High Moon did do it, I

would want... Star Trek Generations game where

you have everybody From the past including the

Abrams like I would want to see everybody together

like all the character designs and granted a

lot of the voice act, you know something like

obviously you can't get the original Scotty and

stuff like that, but As many of the originals

that are still around For voices. I would love

to see I even do something like that and have

those two universes collide I don't know if High

Moon is the end -all be -all in, you know, video

games. I mean, Activision puts out some really

nice games. Gearbox Software, with the exception

of that horrible Aliens versus... No, it was

Aliens Colonial Marines that they put out that

was a subpar. They usually, you know, put out

some pretty strong showings. And like I said,

Bethesda's really good. Black Rock Studios. puts

us in really good games and we're not talking

like You know like MMOs or that type of thing

No, yeah, yeah That's why I mentioned high moon

is because I would want them to do some things

with Star Trek similar to what they did with

the transformers games that they made like that

kind of game where you have The story direction

and you can play as you know, you can choose

from three characters. So let's say for example

you choose from Kirk prime Spock prime or You

know bones prime or what whatever, you know what

I mean? Yeah, so that that's why I keep mentioning

high moon is because if we got a Star Trek game

like what they did with Transformers that would

be awesome. Yeah, I'm trying to think who who

did the the last Once I like never winter nights

cuz I when I when I think of When I think of

Star Trek games, I'm thinking more of RPGs. Where

you have an away team that you designate and

they can gain rank or whatever. Different items,

things like that. I just foresee an RPG game

out of that. Maybe the action -based games just

aren't where Star Trek needs to be. It doesn't

lend itself to that You know case in point the

you know, Chris pine versus the Gorn You know,

it's it's Star Trek meets Mass Effect. Maybe

that's not the direction we need to go in Maybe

we'd be happier with a Baldur's Gate meets Star

Trek I'd be happy with that. I like RPGs Yeah,

I mean I I would like to see just somebody take

it and actually do something good with it. I

think a lot of it has to do with writing and

a lot of it has to do with the gameplay mechanism.

Writing has become a lot more important with

video games in the last few years. Moving right

along? Yes, moving right along into the comics

and we'll include toys in that as well. Comics

and toys. Which I know nothing about. For me

in the comics, the only Star Trek comic I've

ever read and quite frankly I didn't particularly

like it because apparently Vulcans go through

puberty every seven years of their adult life.

Oh no, they just did a really good booty call.

So spoilers for anyone who hasn't read Star Trek

21. from IDW, Star Trek After Darkness, basically

picks up where the film left off and the basic

storyline is Spock is going through the Vulcan

version of puberty. Sigh. Yeah. And the funny

thing is this issue is written by Mike Johnson,

who is one of the TF Prime writers. He's also

the co -writer on TF Prime Beast Hunters comic.

It's good, it's interesting. Like, I like the

story, I like the dialogue, I love the way the

Enterprise looks in different shots, but the

art style and the characters, it looks like 2D

versions of wax figures to me. I don't like...

Like, it looks like the cast. I'm not saying

it doesn't look like the cast, but it just doesn't...

It's very flat. It's not at all... I'd rather

watch Wrath of Khan You know, I would rather

watch new Wrath of Khan again than watch then

then read more of The Star Trek series and and

I love IDW's books. I do I just don't think that

this issue Really does the the JJ Abrams cast

justice at all That's a shame As far as the toys,

I've seen them, I like them, I've never had any

of them. I'm not a Star Trek toy collector, so.

What about you, Michael? My aunt loves Star Trek.

Huge fan of the original series. And she collects

Star Trek toys. So every once in a while I would

get her something. Like a ways back cats had

have been I might have been it had have been

15 years ago or so I found The three -dimensional

chess set that they that they would play in the

original series. Oh, wow. Yeah, they had those

I Forget even where I got it, but I bought that

for her and she's got that on display in her

house She's got plastic over it so it doesn't

get dusty And at one point I got her a Spock

teddy bear He's got on the blue shirt with the

insignia and the ears his teddy bear ears are

pointed It's wow, it's adorable. Yeah But she's

got a lot of the figures and I don't know if

she like picked these up on clearance or what

but Back in the day The Voyagers not Voyager.

I'm sorry. The next generation series had a lot

of action figures And then every time a movie

would come out there'd be more action figures

and she she's got a lot of them. I think she's

got like a sea captain wharf or the one episode

where where Picard was on a holodeck and they

were all dressed up as as uh, British naval officers

that was in generations Okay. Yeah, there she's

got she's got I know for a fact she's got wharf

as a british naval officer, which is hilarious

And I want to say she really wanted the figures

from from the Abrams movie And those didn't turn

out too poorly and I think I want to say my cousin

got her a bunch of those but because I had like

a little actually each figure came with a part

of the bridge and And when you got all the figures

you could actually make I don't want to say you

wouldn't make the bridge, but you'd have like

The captain's chair and all the consoles and

then there was a bridge playset Which only had

two consoles but had room for all the other ones

on it so you could plug them in and I want to

say all those were on clearance for like dirt

cheap About a year after the movie came out and

nobody wanted to buy him I guess but but they

were how they were big lots. They showed up at

big lots and I want to say my cousin got over

a bunch of those but she's got You know not like

an exhaustive collection, but but she's got quite

a few figures and collectibles Just around the

house I want to say she's she's got a original

series phaser on display in her house. That's

nuts It's yeah, it's it's really cool. I mean,

you know, but like I said, she's she's a huge

original series fan And she's got she's got some

pretty old stuff on display like records Star

Trek records Yeah Yeah, but yeah, but personally

no, I never got into it I remember Way back when

they had Galoob I want to say had the micro machines

Star Trek vehicles and Those were out at about

the same time that I was picking up some of the

micro machine Star Wars vehicles So, you know,

you could have a little Millennium Falcon fighting

a little enterprise And they, you know, they're

all by the same company. They're all the same

size. It was interesting. I dug that type of

thing, but yeah, I didn't buy any of them. Well,

I'm only allowed one collection. What's that?

His wife only allows him one collection and that

collection transforms itself. Exactly. I'm only

allowed one collection. I can't buy anything

else. It transforms into what? into a truck Or

a monkey or a monkey I've got some of the transform

into monkeys too Yes, what about you Steve? For

me I I I had a lot of the toys I had Every next

-generation toy before generations came out I

had the shuttlecraft, I had the enterprise bridge,

same thing with the original series toys. I had

all of the live action kind of role playing toys

where you had like the phaser, the communicators,

the com badge, the tricorders, but I had them

for just the original series and the next generation.

DS9 run about I had a couple of the big enterprise

ships the electronic ones So and the transporter

and a couple other big ships, but Nice eventually

all of that went away, but But yeah, I mean I

had a lot of the toys for a while and then the

comics I had Pretty much all of the original

series I believe DC Comics did the comics for

them I had the I'm pretty sure the entire run

of the original series in the next generation

for a little bit there and then it went to like

Paramount image comics or something like that

and then Bounced around before IDW got it I wasn't

in it too long, but the stories were good in

a lot of the comics and they had a lot of alternate

universe stuff and a lot of continuations from

the original series or the next generation picking

up storylines that had like one or two episodes

and you never saw again. So it was quite nice

collecting those kind of things because you could

see things that they never quite fully realized.

Well, plus you have to go back a little bit earlier

in the story. And remember that your parents

were huge original series fans So, I mean like

right now i'm a huge transformer fan and I buy

a lot of transformers for my kids which are kind

of secretly for me, too, but So it's like I can

imagine your parents being like hey check out

the new star trek stuff on the shelf I think

I need to get a couple of those for steve Or

is that not the case is it mostly like No, I

totally wanted that screw my parents, you know,

uh, no, they they didn't collect any of this

stuff actually Really? No. Okay. All right. Never

mind No, they they were real big into collecting

stuff. They would rather watch the shows or whatever

So, I mean even in that I think the reason why

I got the comics was it was something to read.

Um, and they were trying to promote that Yeah,

and I had a lot of the Star Trek books. Well,

not a lot I had mostly depending on I had all

the film books and then I had select episode

ones like relics and Ship of the line and some

of those other ones kind of telling back stories

of other characters or more in -depth episode

things and then I have all I still have the relics

and then I still have all of the Recent film

books and then I have all of the William Shatner

books, whether you love them or hate them, they

continue in directions that Star Trek didn't

do because Nemesis and everything else, so it

was interesting. Shatner was still carrying the

torch there for the original series. Oh, he was

carrying the torch to the extent that he wrote

a book that took place between Star Trek 6 and

7. One that took between seven and eight one

between eight nine nine and ten and then all

of the rest of them were after ten So they all

have Shatner in them. Oh, yes They brought Kirk

back he revived Kirk in the first book after

generations I I want to say didn't Spock go dig

up Kirk on the planet that he died in and then

They use like Borg technology to revive him or

something? It wasn't Spock, it was the Romulans

and the Borg. To use it as a weapon against the

Federation. But then Spock rescued him. He went

to the Borg and tried to be assimilated in his

place and they said, we can't assimilate you.

You've already been assimilated. Pointing back

to Veger. Oh, wow. That's Shatner. He writes

a good book. So. Then it was with the Judith

and Garfield Reed Stevens Group that wrote with

them. So they wrote all those books with him.

So Yeah, they intertwined into just about every

aspect of Trek and they touched every series

Nice except for Enterprise because it doesn't

matter. Yeah Enterprise is not in continuity.

I liked Enterprise I think it's good as a standalone

if you're not like being hardcore against the

Stuff that came later as far as continuity wise

but Well, you know, I mean I they had that temporal

Cold War in there just just As a foil to any

retconning they did it's like well, you know,

they're actually in the future too and I mean

they even went so far as to having the Borg Really

Yeah, there was an episode with the Borg. The

loophole there is First Contact, where the Borg

transport to Earth after they're booted off the

Enterprise, basically, and then there's a sleeper

ship and there's three Borg on it and they appear

to be offline and some archaeologists are on

the Arctic Circle and reawaken the... one of

the borgs and it Infects him. Oh, and they oh,

oh Okay, and it was one of the ones from first

contact because this is like a hundred years

after Yeah, and co went after after Cochrane.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah See, you know, you know, I remember

that for some reason it resonates in my head

Like it was a book that I read because I have

read some of the Star Trek books Couple of not

as many Star Wars books as I've read but I have

read a couple of the Star Trek books Primarily

like the Voyager stuff You know see what happened

with the characters after they got home See and

I think that's where the expanded stuff really

is nice to have yeah Because I like to know what

happens to them after the fact Blanchard's like,

here's my rat's ass. He's like, don't give it.

No, it's not that I don't care about it, it's

just like... You can't have my rat's ass! Because

I don't give a rat's ass. And the old jokes come

out, and they still work. They still work, I

still got it, baby! So, anything else on comics,

toys? Really surprised you don't have more insight

on the toys because it's like I I know you've

got childhood memories that just you know still

bring a smile to your face concerning these things

I Wish I still had a lot of them Well, do you

wish you still had it in the same way that I

still wish that I had my you know Darth Vader

with the with you know with the plastic cape

and the And the thing that slides it, because

that's more for eBay purposes, to be honest.

Funny thing is, I still have the original series

communicator. Yeah. That my parents had to preorder

from Toys R Us when it was coming out. Nice.

I still have it. It still works to this day.

Your parents are awesome. Yeah, they were they

were. I got all kinds of Batman stuff. I had

all the Ninja Turtles toys. I had all the Star

Trek stuff. Oh, nice. Yeah, I had huge collections

for a long time. I don't know how I ended up

with all of everything, but eventually it all

either got passed to my brothers or I sold it.

Oh, well that explains it. I was about to say,

where did it all go? Yeah, unfortunately, I had

to sell it all back in the early 2000s because

I was poor. Oh, that's tough. And now I'm...

Older and trying to reclaim my childhood which

is terrible because you have been two to three

times more to get what you had Yeah, eBay is

a tough mistress. I tell you but I do have a

Star Trek costume of Captain Kirk sweet You know,

I'm sure they have like a Detroit comic -con

or something you're gonna have to show up for

that Yeah, there is a Detroit Nah. He would sooner

put on a Megatron costume than a Kirk costume.

I wouldn't go that far. All I have to do is throw

on a shirt and a pair of pants and cheap boots.

You lazy cosplayer. Yes. Yours. Yours. You know,

when I was little, my big collections were Star

Wars. from when I was like 4, 5, 6, 7. And then

in the early 80s there was He -Man and I had

an assload of He -Man. And then after that was

Transformers. But I don't know what happened

to my original Star Wars stuff. But I distinctly

remember my mother telling me she was going to

sell my He -Man because I was playing with Transformers

now and she didn't think I needed it anymore.

And I think she sold like all my stuff for like

40 bucks. Oh I know and you know, it was a granted

It was you know 1986 or so when she sold off

all my he -man But I had a whole lot of he -man

and I really wish I still had it today And not

for eBay purposes kind of like Darth Vader, but

but not yeah, I really wouldn't mind still having

my toys around Yeah That's a sore subject. I've

told that story many times over the last five

years that I've podcasted 1986 Go down to my

dad's place in Rhode Island expecting my snake

mountain place setting all my villains and everything

else because I kept all the heroes in Castle

Grayskull at my mom's house So I would bring

select he -man masters with me to go along with

the villains and have fights at snake mountain

Go in the little room gone Dan sold them all.

His reasoning? You're too old for toys at six

fucking years old. Yeah. Dude. As far as Star

Trek toys and stuff... Like... As far as the

comic series, I'm sure if I go back and I get

the current IDW trades of the current series

and not just read one issue because of the latest

film, I'm sure I might get used to the art style,

but... The writing is, I will say that Mike Johnson's

writing in Star Trek 21 was damn good. It was

an interesting thing. Yeah, the plot's a little,

eh, spot going through puberty every seven years,

but... That's in the actual original series,

though. Yeah, that happened. No, I know. I mean,

yeah, it just... You can't get away from Ponfarr.

I mean, if they introduce a Vulcan character,

eventually she will go into heat. And he will

need to pound it. Yeah. Um, yeah, I get that

and I get that you can't get away from it. I

just I was I Don't know. I was expecting more

from because the whole point is with Star Trek

number 21 from IDW is its events after the latest

film and I was just expecting more than what

it was Well considering the last one was just

a rehash of old, you know original series stuff

that happened I'm not surprised that the comic

book isn't just a rehash of old original series

stuff that happened. That's what a lot of it

is, actually. I almost said G1. That was kind

of funny. That's why I didn't bother to pick

up or read any of the new stuff. That's why I

would rather just read the old stuff, because

the IDWverse is just retreading classic stories

and giving them a new twist. But it's pretty

much the same outcome. Well, what episode was

it when the I want to say it was a DS9 crew?

That actually went back in time and and trouble

with trouble and tribulations. Yeah when they

hit the troubles episode That I loved that that

was so cool. That was probably one of my favorite

uh ds9 episodes and Uh, I mean, I don't I wouldn't

mind if they did something like that But if they're

gonna go back and redo the entire just just you

know Here's the script to the original and then

we erase the the main character names and put

down the new names I mean, that's that's just

lazy writing Yeah, I will agree Yes So with that

We'll take another break come back and cover

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Enter when ready. So for film soundtracks from

the motion picture for the original cast motion

picture through in undiscovered country there

were several Composers that did the scores for

those films only one composer did the score for?

Two out of the six films Jerry Goldsmith was

the original composer on Star Trek the motion

picture you had James Horner doing Wrath of Khan

and search for Spock you had Leonard Roseman

doing The Voyage Home, Jerry Goldsmith again

for Final Frontier, and Cliff Eldleman for Undiscovered

Country. Jerry Goldsmith is one of those composers

that when he was alive, he could do no wrong.

He could manipulate music to whatever you wanted

it to be. and it was just so awesome. I mean,

everything that he has touched has just been

amazing. It's one of those, Jerry Goldsmith is

one of those composers that is like a John Williams,

like a John Dabney, like, you know, Hans Zimmer.

He's just one of those and his, the stuff that

he's done music for is just amazing from all

the way to the 50s to... The the late 2000s the

last thing he did was Actually the last score

he actually ever did was Looney Tunes back in

action but Oh, wow, that's interesting, too Okay,

so that's the original series. Do we do you guys

have any thoughts on the original film series

of music? My only thought is the original series

fight music. Anytime he had to fight somebody.

Anytime Kirk was fighting somebody, it would

break into the fight music. Like they did in

The Cable Guy. There you go. I don't know who

wrote that, but he was a genius. Yes, Steve thoughts

for the original six films for the music The

motion picture Definitely brought in what would

be used later off and on Between the next generation

and a lot of the franchise a lot of the films

are just They're scored great. I mean That's

one thing that You're going to remember the music

while you're watching. All the films. Oh, yeah.

What is that? The original series theme song

was performed with a with a particular instrument.

I want to say it was like a theremin. Oh, sure,

but it's like that weird. It says here reskin

flute special instruments. A reskin flute was

used within the shows. It wasn't so much the

show. It was that the theme song was performed

with this thing. It's like it was like one of

the first pieces of music created for a TV show

that used a synthesizer. Yeah. Yeah, I know what

you're talking about. I can't remember the name,

but it's that sound that's like, wah, wah, wah,

wah, wah, you know that by vibration. Exactly,

that's not a traditional instrument. It's like

this funky thing and I wish I could remember

again woefully unprepared, but I heard a presentation

on on that particular Piece of music, you know

where they were talking about how it came to

be or why they made it with that and at first

they wanted it to they wanted it to be like a

traditional song and then they said well, no,

maybe we shouldn't go that route because you

know we like we heard we heard this particular

instrument somewhere else and we were like this

is kind of an interesting thing why don't we

go with that i can't can't remember the exact

the exact name of it now and again someone's

out there going i know what that is and yes totally

like to comment about that but yeah and i'm terribly

unprepared and i really should have known out

of all 12 films Out of all 12 films, Jerry Goldsmith

is the one composer that has done the most composing

on it with four films under his belt. After the

original films, going into the Generation stuff,

Dennis McCarthy did the score for Generations.

Jerry Goldsmith, along with his son, Joel Goldsmith,

did First Contact. And he also did Insurrection

or Nemesis. I love, again, Jerry Goldsmith, one

of the best composers of all time, at least in

my mind. I love the music in first contact. It

was just so awesome. It was so dark and ominous.

I know it, yeah. It was just so great. And then

Michael Guacchino or... Jaquino or however the

hell you say his name who is the film composer

that JJ Abrams always speed dials did both Star

Trek 09 and Into darkness my I liked good not

to cut you off, but my pet peeve with that guy's

composing Yeah, the the film sounded great What

little bit they did use during the films? But

The second film sounded to me like they didn't

actually have any new music whatsoever It sounded

like it was rehashed from the 2009 reboot, which

again all they did was take the original series

theme and Then they added a couple of bars to

the end of it so they don't go bomb bomb bomb

and then it would go right back to So, I mean

it was just it didn't I don't know. It didn't

do much for me. I like it, but it didn't do much.

Well, I do know reading from interviews and also

Wikipedia that Coquino in both instances used

for Star Trek 1 and Star Trek 2 for Abrams films.

He intentionally used the Alexander Courage original

theme for the end of the film. for the end credits

that way his newer themes for the various young

members of the enterprise you know could evolve

and all that but i don't know i have to see into

darkness again i just like i i wasn't paying

attention to the music when i watched it um star

trek 2009 he did an amazing job with it i thought

um for what it was considering it's an it's basically

an origin story Setting up these new characters

Michael thoughts on the Abrams verse music the

Abrams verse has music Yes It's like I said it

was it was mostly rehashed From the original

series it didn't strike me so much as something

that I would remember it I think it might have

been original series enough to make me go. Yeah,

that sounds a lot of the original series Because

I have a PhD in Google I was able to to quickly

solve my issue that I had earlier in that the

original Star Trek original series theme song

was I want to say the original original Well

here as a wiki it says it was a wordless rendition

of a melody line sung by soprano julie lee julie

lulie Who names her kid this lulie gene norman

with a flute and organ over an orchestral arrangement

And that was played with the original uh pilot

which was the cage Um, and and what happened

is after that they didn't use that anymore Because

Sheen Roddenberry decided to go with the the

electronic violin Which is where we get that

wow It makes me wonder with the original song

sounded like with like singing And a flute such

I don't know Anyway moving along that would be

too strange. Yeah, I mean honestly you gotta

ask myself. How much do I really care? Just be

too strange. Yeah for the television series soundtracks

Alexander courage did the original series that

he did Ray Ellis and norm Prescott did the animated

series Wow, there was actually a score for the

animated series Holy crap. Would that be the

same thing? They just I don't rehash it And for

the other remaining series, Jerry Goldsmith and

Dennis McCarthy switched off. Jerry Goldsmith

did Next Generation, McCarthy did Deep Space

Nine, Goldsmith did Voyager, and then McCarthy

did Enterprise. So Jerry Goldsmith is pretty

much the long -standing composer in the entire

Star Trek music franchise. Yeah? Cool. No, the

music is really good again like I've said earlier

in this in this episode that I'm gonna have to

go back and watch next gen and Just you know

kind of relive it and whatever else But I like

the music overall so Yeah, so getting into The

future films What are you guys thoughts and favorites

of those there were a lot of them that's about

it that's all i got good night everybody well

you know i i will say one thing i was really

surprised that there was no feature film um and

i want to say like after after uh insurrection

let's say there was no feature film that that

that brought back the ds9 crew or the Voyager

crew. I mean, they could have easily had a DS9

movie. Let's talk about the reconstruction after

the Dominion War. What happened to those characters?

You could tie in the Voyager characters. What

happened to those? Or it could be a DS9 episode

where the Voyager characters show up on their

way back from the Delta Quadrant. It could have

been anything. At that point, maybe because Instruction

did so poorly in the in the box office They just

said, you know, we can't we can't afford to make

any more movies like this because you're just

gonna tank but if they had You know gone back

to the well and said, alright, you know what?

We can't afford Patrick Stewart anymore. Let's

get Every Brooks out here and and have him do

a movie You know, I'm sure there's there's a

fanfiction out there that You know could be repurposed

into a screenplay For just oh, yeah, I'm sure

and and I kind of agree with you. I'm kind of

disappointed that they didn't at least try Yeah

with the other crews. I know they promoted Janeway

to Admiral Well, she showed up somewhere as Admiral

Janeway First contact or no nemesis. That was

okay. Yeah. Yep. No, that was nice That was a

nice tip of the hat to Voyager, but not what

I was expecting I mean there was a that was a

cop -out. There was a book series There was two

books actually about what happened when Voyager

got home and they immediately got mixed up in

Oh hell, what was it called? What's what's the

the the spy agency called? Is it like section

31 section 31? So they immediately immediately

gets mixed up in section 31 and I want to say

at the time Well, the way the books were written

section 31 was very popular in the fiction So

they tied that in with Voyager and they tied

that in with like seven of nine and and you know

section 31 was very interested in her But you

know, why couldn't there be? Why couldn't there

be a section 31 centric movie where you introduce

these characters who are you know black ops spies

and they're investigating What happened? after

Voyager or or maybe the Voyager shows up at the

at the at DS 9 and you got you know, these these

Literally a Star Trek 007 who shows up it has

to investigate How all this ties together and

and how if something went wrong? I don't know

somebody killed wharf. I'm not sure Well, seriously

they kill off wharf that'd be a huge movie just

watching wharf die Perhaps it is a good day to

die. There you go. Ah Would it make you cry like

when Dinobot cried? I don't know everyone, you

know, Dinobot. Dinobot cried. Dinobot bit the

dust. We all cried. But I did honestly, but anyway,

I still cry when that wharf bites it maybe I

don't know. Hey So sometimes you gotta kill off

a Klingon to make a good movie But I would pay

to watch that if someone told me hey, I heard

warf died in this one I'd be like fuck. Yeah,

I'm gonna watch that movie Anyway As I've said

before I have Seen bits and pieces of the original

six movies. I want to see generations I just

haven't yet and first contact was the only movie

that I had really seen in the theaters. That

was my first experience I have no interest in

insurrection or nemesis. I've heard that they're

very nemesis is all right Bad really it's yeah,

it's got Bane in it Tom Hardy he's doing a really

Did he's just doing this really really crappy

accent that doesn't you know, it's not his accent,

but it's not Patrick Stewart's accent either

It's like I thought you're supposed to wait a

minute. This doesn't make any sense, you know

I just feel that one was poorly written and poorly

directed Yeah, and I think for me with the Abrams

verse because I was never exposed to the wrath

of Khan I didn't mind Into Darkness. I get it.

I understand why the die -hard Trekkies, most

of them, Optimus Solo not included, do not like

it because it's a rehash of Khan. No, it's not

because it was a rehash of Khan. As fans, we

expected Khan to show up. And what did they tell

us? Khan's not in this. Who's in it? I don't

know. Harrison Williams. What the hell? John

Harrison. What'd they call him? They called him

something. They specifically didn't call him

Khan. And they said, no, John Harrison's in this.

Besides, does Benedict Cumberbatch look like,

what's his name, Cumberbatch? Does he look like

Khan? Hell no, he doesn't look anything like

Khan. He's not Khan. And everybody goes, all

right. And they kind of squint at JPJ Abrams

and go, OK, if you say so. And then what happens?

They insult our intelligence. They betray our

trust. And that he had a shitty use of Khan.

And it wasn't even a good Khan. It might have

been a really cool John Harrison. I might have

bought that. A really cool John Harrison. They

should have just done original. You know what,

if they had called him John Harrison and he would

have been as badass as he was, they could have

told us he was a genetically modified super soldier

in the vein of Khan. He was somebody who knew

Khan. And he was frozen and then they unthought

him. They don't even have to say, oh he's Khan.

He could have been one of Khan's crew. Could've

been anything like that, and I would've bought

it and loved it, but no, they told us, this isn't

Khan. And then at the end, I'm Khan. It's like,

screw you Abrams, just in your ear, buddy, because

you just lied? Isn't that just kind of like the

argument of, no, it's not Megatron, it's NBE

-1. No, good, give him to Star Wars. No, that's

not Darth Vader's son. No, you can do that. Other

and other fandoms and get away with it, you know,

you can you can do always that Megatron's and

be one and we'll be like, oh We know it's Megatron

ha ha, you know But if you do that to the Star

Trek fandom, these are again, these are not science

fantasy people These are hardcore or hard sciences

fans who love the stuff because it's it's rooted

in reality And if you lie to them there goes

their reality You can't you can't lie to that

particular fandom outright Bold -faced lie for

months, you know, cuz this would be gone on forever

Yeah, that's just how I felt about it I I felt

I was hurt and betrayed and the fact that the

whole end of the movie no spoilers involved is

Lazily written because it was already written

once I It hurt I Didn't spoil it. I what I didn't

say what happened. I just said it You know? It's

been out for a couple of months, who cares? Nearly

similar to something that had been written before!

That's all! That did it better the first time!

You know what would've made it better? You know,

okay, looking at it as a... As a die -hard one,

as you guys would, you know what would've made

this act, made Into Darkness better? John McClane?

Okay, there's that, but... If you had, I don't

know, is the original Con still alive? No. If

he was still alive when this movie was being

filmed the story could have been he was con Harrison

was his son Seriously that way you wouldn't have

The whole oh my god. It's not con. Yes. It's

come, you know, you wouldn't have that argument

You know my boys just just recently like within

the last year or so had gotten into the Spy Kids

movies. Oh god. And Robert Rodriguez, no, for

kids they're awesome, but Robert Rodriguez had

Ricardo Montalban play the grandfather. Oh yeah.

Yeah, and that movie couldn't have been that

old. No, like within the last five years or so,

but I remember going fuck Yeah, Ricardo Montalban,

you know, cuz I mean even old and it had him

in a wheelchair even old and in a wheelchair.

He kicked ass Yeah, he did. Yeah, it was it was

he's like Don't touch the chair. It is real Corinthian

leather and I was like This little fanboy squee,

you know, it would have been better if he says

I will bury you alive From his dark heart I strike

a fee like oh my god. I think it is to wet myself

a little Yeah, oh wow I forgot he was in that

Wow I can't believe I've actually seen Ricardo

Montalban and other stuff because I completely

forgot okay running down really quickly after

No, I'm sorry. We brought it up. I have to go

through this all right after wrath of Khan. He

did cannonball run to No, he was he was Vincent

Ludwig in the naked gun from the files of police

squad. Nice. And then in 2002 and 2003, he was

the grandfather in Spy Kids 2 and Spy Kids 3.

Yeah, see that rocked. He died in 2009. Oh, man.

How did I not hear this? You are too busy dealing

with Transformers news. Well, I mean, seriously,

you know, when when Khan dies, everybody should.

You know shut a little tear because seriously

sweet Exactly Yes, come on then on TV going Exactly

or Yeah, that that that hurts, you know just

the other day I saw some newly released photos

from the Star Trek 2 set and Yeah, you got Ricardo

Montalban and who dressed up as Khan on the floor

they've got It's like it's it's like a remote

control car With a blow -up robot on top of it

that you could drive around you remember those

Okay Those were you know in early 80s, right?

Anyway, so you got it's like it's like a little

robot that you would drive around with a remote

control But it wasn't like a robot robot. It

was just a little remote control car with a blow

-up robot on top of it Anyway, but this particular

blow -up robot had a little look like he was

wearing a little white suit and They and they

they pasted a little picture of tattoos face

on top of it. Oh Wow It is funny cuz you got

con with his great big grin and he's kind of

pointing at it It's like this little tattoo robot.

It was really I thought it was hilarious because

you know Fantasy island he was a freakazoid Really?

Yeah, he did a lot of voice work. Yeah, it was

Those guys that you can know not Jorge, but Ricardo

Montalban He he's had that voice that you do

it's like, oh my god, that's Ricardo Montalban

Or is somebody doing a damn good Ricardo Montalban

because there's a lot of voice actors that do

him very well. Oh Yeah, I mean that's kind of

like um Cory Burton is a dead ringer for Gary

Owens Cory Burton has has a radio and Marie Maurice

LaMarche. Yes. Yes, that's true But yeah, I mean

I like the current film series I know they are

gonna make one more I know for a fact that at

least pine and Quinto are gonna make one more

They're talking about starting filming next year.

Yeah, they're gonna do that No, they're saying

they're... Yeah, I do too. They're saying now

they're gonna start filming next year and they're

gonna do it with Abrams. And I'm like, there's

no way. Abrams is gonna be firmly entrenched

in Star Wars for the next foreseeable future.

I don't see how he's gonna be able to do a third

movie. But I'm saying that there is a third movie

coming out and regardless of who the director

is, we've already gotten to one really good movie

and one for most of you... diehards, it's eh,

okay. But for me, I enjoyed both of them, I like

both the direction, I do get sick of the lens

flare a little bit, specifically in the original

2009 movie. That's style, buddy. I know it's

style, I get that, but okay, I understand having

lens flare in a battle, but why does he use lens

flare when Spock is arguing with Kirk? When in

the scene where Kirk is trying to make him show

his That he's been compromised. There's so much

on the bridge. That's why Just I don't I don't

hate the lens flare thing I'd you know, I know

there's a lot of people out there that hate it

and that bitch about it all the time I've never

really bitched about it, but just thinking about

it now and I had seen the the film, I don't know,

a couple days before we recorded this. And I'm

thinking about it. I'm like, yeah, I don't know.

But I like the current film series. I'm interested

to see where they go from here. I'm hoping that

whenever the third film comes that they'll do

some new story and not just rehash and make it

the search for Kirk. Well, they didn't have to

do that. I know. For obvious reasons. Yes, I

was totally expecting the third movie to be the

search for Kirk. I know either either they have

a third movie for search for Kirk or they they

invent some magical unicorn blood that'll bring

it back to to life, you know, and That's what

they did. Yeah, exactly. It's like well they

the the congratulations you know, but destroyed

Vulcan and found the cure for death good job

And then what did they do they put him under?

You know, honestly in a real -world situation,

he wouldn't be under he would be chained to a

bed Pump full of Coumadin and just making blood

24 seconds We're gonna we're gonna drain him

of four pints of blood and then we're gonna leave

from the heel about an hour later Drain him of

another four pints of blood, you know Just keep

going Because there's you know to quote Tito

if this is torture chain me to the wall That's

exactly what they do to him It's like, all right,

you know They'll they'll they'll sit there and

tie they'll tie him to the wall and make him

watch animated series reruns Over and over and

over again till he goes insane and just keep

draining the blood out of his arm. Oh, wow No,

they make him watching our walls Where do you

see the future going? I'm glad that Abrams is

not on the next film why Just because well, actually

I can't say Abrams. He made a couple good movies.

He's made other good stuff. I don't see I more

so mean, let me rephrase that. The writers need

to be replaced. Oh, Ortsy and Kurtzman. Yes.

They tend to get stale like they're fine on TV

shows and animated series. They're fine. I have

no beef with them there. OK. My problem is when

they get on a feature film series, they're fine

for the first film. Like they do good because

they they. have to recreate something from nothing.

Okay. To reintroduce it. Once they get past that

introduction film, it's all downhill. Because

then they're just pulling out of their ass things

to use. We've had this conversation before and

they didn't write the second Transformers movie.

No, but they did have a hand in part of that

and weren't they in the third? You know, I think

more that there but the third I enjoyed I did

Good, but again, the third one was a rehash of

Of at least five different g1 episodes. Yeah,

which you know, hey, I like that They were they

were good episodes and it was I mean compared

to Compared to the second movie, you know that

was citizen Kane Yeah, there was no there were

there were no dog humping in the third movie

It was an improvement, but not by much, in my

opinion. Just because of the fact that there

were still too many concepts taken from something

else instead of something new. That's more so

where I get a little irritated with that duel.

It's not that they're bad writers, because they

do really well with what they have. It's just

my pet peeve is where there's nothing new. Yeah.

they recycle too much old stuff. I mean, yeah,

they mix a lot of it together to make it kind

of cohesive, but it's still not as good as it

could be if they just came up with a new original

idea, which, granted, Hollywood doesn't have

very much of anymore. Very little patience for

new stuff. We are not giving new money to new

ideas because the old ideas work so well. True.

It's true. I mean, it's really that's why you

see a lot of these indie developers Independent

developers that come out with just really interesting

stuff That may never get turned into a feature

film or a real video game or anything because

they're just you know, they're they're It's stuff

that's never been done before and big studios

are not willing to put money into something that

isn't a proven formula It's like enterprise,

you know, no, we're not gonna put money in enterprise

because You know it did below a certain a certain

line of ratings that we expected to stay above

and there it goes Yep Exactly. Yep. So I I see

you know if they don't Change their ways. I see

them retreading and then getting stale all over

again I hope not Hopefully they'll just bring

in new writers That's kind of the direction I

would like to see them go in yeah, but then again

even in Hollywood Even with the writers you see

that they're not willing to change if you have

a couple of writers who've made a lot of money

Like, you know Ortsy and Kurtzman have their

names all over Transformers and Transformers

has made something along the lines of three billion

dollars You know, it's gonna be hard to get rid

of them even if you don't like them True You

can't argue the numbers Three billion dollars

were the were the Transformers movies that doesn't

hurt even if even if the writing itself was crap

It's crap. It's crap. I tell ya. It's a crap

Shoot for the wallet, that's terrible Such I

made that image That that was funny. Yeah, I

saw that floating around. I'm like that looks

like Steve's work I did I did totally saw that

I'm like, I think Steve did that That's nice

Yeah in the future the future of the series the

future of the franchise, you know I I don't think

they're gonna go with another TV series There's

nothing more they can do. I mean people are saying

oh they should do Star Trek A Star Trek Academy

right and they kind of hit it hit that in the

movie and that was interesting But I don't think

you can base a series on that People are saying

oh ten seasons of Smallville this There you go

exactly Toward the end of Oh, what was it the

enterprise where they had like the the the enterprise

F or something and it was the temporal warship

the temporal ship enterprise Something like that

and they were saying oh, why don't you do a series

on that? So you're jumping another, you know

100 200 years in the future and you You can't

really have a series like that because the the

technology You know the technology a hundred

years ago a hundred years 200 years in the future

is so far advanced now that that you know, we

can't we can barely imagine like the holodeck

was the strange fantastical thing like wow i

can't even imagine that being real what where

would that come from well nowadays we're talking

about how how do we create holodeck technology

in the next 10 years you know in the next 20

years how do we create this technology that would

help how do we help us go to mars you know uh

if we go to mars we may not need a holodeck but

we're definitely gonna need a food replicator

how do we build that That is in the planning

stages now. If we're talking another 100 years

on top of that, that technology, we can't even

envision. We have no idea what that's going to

look like. I mean, honestly, 100 years past next

generation, we're literally looking at WALL -E.

where everyone's sitting in chairs watching personal

video while they scoot around a ship and they're

like hippo -like orcas because nobody walks anywhere

anymore. But I don't see how we could do a series

like that based that far in the future because

the technology is like, well, if you have a temporal

ship that goes through time, well, how? Why don't

we just make Star Trek with Doctor Who? No, no

No, come on. You got a big ass turn around. It

looks like an enterprise Crap needs to stay over

in Britain where it belongs. I love dr. Who?

Yeah, yeah, you could have Christopher Christopher

Eccleston as the as the next captain Captain

of the or have him as the next villain. I Don't

know at the villain. He does he does he does

a good bill. He does a good hero, too, though

Man, hit him as the next villain. Yeah, I'll

have him as Destro. Oh god, that's such a cheap

shot. Such a cheap shot, I almost forgot about

that. They turned his face to metal. Anyway,

it was we get late. I'm getting a little punchy

here, but yes, you are but the was I gonna say

Yeah, so so where do we foresee this? I could

I would like to see as a series of web episodes

Honestly, you know some some 15 minute shorts

where where you just meet a new crew or You know,

let's you could even you don't even have to do

a recurring cast. You could let's jump around

Starfleet Let's meet the second shift on a particular

ship, or let's see what a particular planet looks

like, or what's life like on a star base. That

type of thing. Not like DS9, but like a medical

star base or something. There's all sorts of

different stories you could pull out of this

mythos. And they don't necessarily have to be

even related. And if you're making a web series,

15 minutes a piece, all you need is a decent

CGI and a decent writing. And you can keep going

forever. There are some web series that do anywhere

from five to seven minutes and with damn decent

writing And it was a damn good series the specific

one I can think of is actually start our buddy

Jason Marsden. He did space guys in space for

epic level TV and those were five to nine minute

YouTube videos and it was just awesome Yeah,

you know I it sucks because I had intended to

check those up and I did Well, you can I'll send

you the link after yeah link me up So where do

we go from here Steve? Here we go to a commercial

break and come back with our final thoughts on

the whole thing and close it up. The following

are Star Trek in other television shows. First

up you're gonna hear a clip. from the SS Tipton,

which is the Suite Life on Decks parody of Star

Trek. And then after that, you're gonna hear

a bunch of Big Bang Theory stuff having to do

with Star Trek. And then we'll take it back to

MYR 100 after that. Oh, look. The captain must

be going to the little astronaut's room. I've

got to sit in his chair. No, no, no. I don't

think that's a good idea. Incident. Hell, the

enemy. Otherwise based on past experience, we'd

be done by now. Okay, I'm a little confused here.

Oh my, can I help? Not that kind of confused.

What's George Takei doing here? Oh my! How many

times do I have to go through this? We can go

to our family ski lodge on Pluto! We don't want

a ski lodge on a dog! I know, kinda goofy, huh?

As peculiar and annoying as you can be, you're

still my little buddy. I'm not going to let that

end here tonight. Now put down that drink, let's

meet Brent Spiner and go home. Hey, Sheldon!

I'm so glad you made it. I found something I

think you might like. What I'd like is for him

to have a more depressing home. This is quite

lovely. This is for you. An original Minton package

Wesley Crusher action figure. I remembered your

story about the time you went to a convention

when you were a kid to get one signed and I didn't

show up. Look at what I wrote. To Sheldon, sorry

this took so long. Your friend Will Wheaton.

It's my last one. I want you to have it. Look

everyone, Will Wheaton is my friend! I haven't

seen one of these in years. Remember how we used

to make these things look like they were masturbating?

Brent Spiner, what have you done? That was an

original Minton package Wesley Crusher action

figure, signed by my close personal friend Will

Wheaton. Sorry, Slim. I've got some Mr. Data

dolls in the trunk of my car. You want me to

sign one for you? You've already signed something,

Brent Spiner. Your name on my list. From this

moment on, you are my mortal enemy. Don't worry,

it doesn't take up a whole lot of your time.

Come on, buddy. Let's not waste another second

on this loser. We'll love your house. Can we

get autographed dolls? Sure. Twenty bucks. Ten.

Eighteen. Twelve. Sixteen. Two for thirty. And

you come to my birthday party. Done. Dr. Cooper.

Dr. Cooper? Is someone there? Down here on your

desk. Spock? I need to speak with you. Fascinating.

The only logical explanation is that this is

a dream. It is not the only logical explanation.

For example, you could be hallucinating after

being hit on the head by, say, a coconut. Was

I hit on the head by a coconut? I'm not going

to dignify that with a response. Now, to the

matter at hand, you need to play with the transporter

toy. But it's mint in box. Yes, and to open it

would destroy its value. But remember, like me,

you also have a human half. Well, I'm not going

to dignify that with a response. Consider this.

What is the purpose of a toy? To be played with.

Therefore, to not play with it would be... Illogical.

Damn it, Spock, you're right. I'll do it. Sheldon,

wait. You have to wake up first. Of course. Set

phasers to dumb, right? Oh dear. Two suns and

no sunscreen. Hello again, Sheldon. What is it

now, Tiny Spock? I am very disappointed in you.

You broke your toy and switched it with Leonard's.

You should be ashamed of yourself. You're the

one who told me to play with it. If I told you

to jump off the bridge of the Enterprise, would

you do it? If I got on the bridge of the Enterprise,

I would never ever leave. Trust me, it gets old

after a while. You must right your wrong, Sheldon.

Why? I got away with it. Leonard has his toy,

and he's never going to open it, so he won't

know it's broken. And I have a toy that isn't

broken. Everybody's happy. Well, I am unhappy.

I thought where you come from, they don't have

emotions. I come from a factory in Taiwan. Now

do the right thing. You know what you are? Well,

you're a green -blooded buzzkill. Perhaps this

time you beam on out of here. Fine. I will just

use the transporter. Oh, right. You broke it.

Very well. Cooper to Enterprise, one to beam

up. Energize! And we're back for the last bit

of the M -Wire episode 100 special on Star Trek.

So, guys, what are your final thoughts on the

entire thing overall of everything we've covered

so far? For me, it's the films. Like, whatever

happens next, I'm really interested in. I know

you guys, as diehards, minus Optimus Soul, because

Optimus Soul really liked Wrath of... con remake,

but for me it's the current film series. I love

that cast. I think that cast is great. Reimagining

the characters and having it in an alternate

timeline or an alternate universe or whatever

the hell, because I remember listening to the...

I think it was Future Imperfect when Leo, that

sci -fi guy, was like, yeah, it's not... an alternate

timeline. It's an alternate dimension or it's

something or other. I don't remember what he

said. He said something along the lines of...

Yeah, he said it's an alternate dimension for

the reboot because... Right. And he got into

all the specifics of it and it makes sense. Either

way, no, it made sense and that's fine. Either

way, I'm still really stoked to see how they

develop these characters and to see... the contrast

between what the friendship between Shat and

Nimoy characters were and what Pine and Quinto

Versions do So, yeah What about you Michael final

thoughts well first I wanted to bring up something

I mentioned earlier and that was the the movie

that's to The one that had old Sulu and new Sulu

or old Sulu and young Sulu. Sorry. Yeah, Star

Trek phase two. That's a fan series You can google

it. I sent you a link but it's got a yeah the

episode I was talking about was world enough

and time and That was it's under this Star Trek

new voyages label Really interesting stuff. I

actually sat through the whole thing and enjoyed

it Oh, what were we talking about? Final thoughts?

You know, I know that there are people out there

who are bigger fans of Star Trek than I am. You

know, people who can quote from the novels or

people who dress up in the costumes or people

who can speak Klingon because people speak Klingon.

People have Klingon weddings. Just oh my god.

Why am I flashing to the big bang theory Sheldon?

I told you not in Klingon exactly Exactly. It's

like first thing we're gonna do it in Klingon

and then we're gonna do it in Yiddish But Sheldon

shows up at a bar mitzvah and and and speaks

in Klingon and yeah, it sounds enough like Yiddish,

but Yeah, but he also tried to do it at Howard's

wedding. Is that what it was? Okay. Yeah, I'm

Mistaking Howard's wedding for a bar mitzvah,

which honestly isn't that far The power is Jewish

so he's Jewish and four feet tall so, you know

wedding Jewish wedding Jewish bar mitzvah But

yeah, I mean there there are other people that

That take it to a level that that you know, I

I couldn't see Uh, but I do consider myself a

big fan. I I enjoy the work. I I like where abrams

is going um You know despite my misgivings about

the second film, uh, I have a lot of fond memories

about the original series and Uh, you know, it's

it's uh, it's it's it's with me it's in my heart,

uh That about covers it Steve Overall I love

the film series. I love the shows To me those

are the main two a lot of the other stuff I could

It doesn't really matter to me at this point

I'm looking forward to all the watching a lot

of the fan produced series because funny thing

about it is all the other cast, other than the

two that are no longer with us and the two famous

ones out of the group, meaning Leonard Nimoy

and William Shatner, who neither one of them

would ever be seen on any of these. Just saying

because, you know, Uhura, Sulu and Chekhov are

the only three that I've ever seen on any of

these fan -produced series. Of the original cast

didn't Shatner just put the Admiral uniform back

on for I want to say it was the The Oscar Awards

Yes, but that's the Oscars though, I mean that's

basically satirize that's basically satire and

that's making fun of himself There's a difference

between an original meet, you know web series

that fan series and the friggin Oscars Yeah,

I'll buy that sure. I was hilarious I didn't

watch the Oscars, but I had to go out and find

that clip so I you know So I could see it because

I thought was hilarious Yeah Yeah, I I found

that after the fact so I thought it was quite

funny. Yeah, it's hilarious Anytime Shatner puts

back on the uniform. I think it's hilarious It

doesn't happen very often. No, I think now it

is Wow I don't want to say in his his twilight

years, but but yeah now that he's he's what 70

something Something like that. Yeah, you know

if he does it it's it's it's an event. It's It's

like yeah, if I see him dress up in this Star

Trek uniform I I got a follow -up and just waiting

for the day that there's a Star Trek Priceline

commercial I'll settle for the Yeah, I'm more

in favor of that passing of the torch. Yeah,

thank you Big Bang Theory for introducing us

to Kaylee Kowaka. Actually, most of us knew her

from Eight Simple Rules beforehand. Nobody really

paid attention to her all that much. Yeah, I

never watched that. Oh, Eight Simple Rules. Yeah,

I did watch that. Yeah. Where she's a dissy blonde

that actually gets geek Yeah, no, that was a

good series. I do remember that now. That's what

I say with John or Ritter Yeah, no, it wasn't

it wasn't uh Was it John Ritter? Yep. Yeah, it

was John Ritter He's been dead a long time. Wow.

Yeah That was a long time ago. He was one of

those guys that didn't seem to age No, yeah,

kind of like Nicolas Cage. He's still Jack Tripper,

you know, yeah He'll always be Jack Tripper.

His clothes changed, but the face stayed the

same. Yeah, pretty much. But no, I mean, Star

Trek, depending on how they approach certain

things, has a bright future in film, and if a

TV series comes down the line, sure. But we can

always go back and watch the old stuff. Yep.

We'll always have Paris. Tom Paris that is Sorry,

okay the holiday Yeah, that's that's a better

reference What is the what's the holodeck called

on the what was the porn deck on DS 9 called?

They didn't call it the holodeck. They called

it up. Don't remember they call it They call

this other the the Ferengi called it something

I forget what they call it But that was a that

was like his big thing was who's got the the

most recent programs for the porn deck Yeah,

I don't know what it was called in DS 9. I can't

remember it was it was some kind of a different

name though Yeah, like the Gucci bar I don't

remember so you know And again, there's a harder

core fan a different caliber of fan out there

than I am who's out there with his arm race I

know what that is. I Said thing is the hollow

sweet the whole maybe Maybe I'm sad thing is

the whole time you're mentioning this as a bar.

The only thing I can think of is hey when swerve

gonna show up First blaster Directed Oh You haven't

seen that have you I'll explain it to him off.

Oh my god, that's hilarious. Yeah. Yeah Yeah,

you know, it's it's sad too because I'm I'm still

I'm still just such a huge part of the Transformers

fandom and it always comes back to TF for me

Yeah, and that my first blaster. Oh my god, is

that funny? And especially when taking in context

of the series is just oh Yeah, such such a well

-written series. I love that stuff Alright back

on topic. Sorry So yeah, I think that pretty

much Covers our expansive coverage of Star Trek

in episode 100 anybody else have any final thoughts

well one of the reasons why we did this giant

topic for episode 100 is that over the I believe

it's the next 12 weeks Steve and various other

hosts Steve is headlining and it's his baby we

were doing the Star Trek film reviews for motion

picture all the way up to into darkness so Steve

is going to review them from VHS Because he has

this whole whole set there. No, I don't have

that anymore. I actually have the DVD collection.

Oh I've got the first two movies on DVD. I was

really proud of that and Because I I just love

Rathacon so much I had to watch it over and over

and over again. I I have the the the first six

with the the captain's thing all in one side

Nice nice. It's not blu -ray. It's DVD, but it's

Have they come out with a Blu -ray version? Oh,

yeah, they've had that. Oh, yeah. It can't be

any better than a DVD version because those weren't

originally filmed in like a high res format.

No, but they've got it. I mean, it includes more

features and that kind of stuff, so. Oh, all

right. There's a lot of stuff they leave out

feature wise. It's just mostly the films on this.

But if you get the Blu -ray, I think it has more.

OK. And then they had the same set for the the

four TNG films as well Interesting they're in

slim packs in a you know thing so like slim disc

Cup right? Yeah, so but yeah, it's nice Hey,

you know, I'm sorry like what right at the end.

I'm just now remembering this but We haven't

covered this if you guys did you guys go? to

the the Star Trek experience in Vegas? No, no.

Steve may have. No, they they had a thing actually

in Detroit a couple of years. Like it was a year

or two ago. Unfortunately, something else was

up during that time, but I wanted to go so bad.

I went I went with my roommate at the time, Carl

Gomburg. We flew out to his parents house in

California and then made a road trip over to

Vegas and then we did it then and then when I

got married my wife and I went and we went to

The restaurant there which is kind of set up

like quarks I think it's called quarks and they

have people who are in costume that would that

would Serve you right and I think we had like

a Klingon waiter or something and he was in character.

It was awesome and I had the Remember to like

it was yesterday. I had the targ ribs Targ ribs,

dude, I know And we had the beer sampler and

they had Romulan ale that was actually blue and

they had Klingon blood wine which was which was

dyed red and they had a couple different ones,

but I remember those two specifically I oh It

was it was a it was a good time And that was

and that's before you even get into the ride.

Yeah, they they they closed that down a while

ago. You can't actually get into there anymore,

but, you know, I, I really enjoyed it. I thought

I thought it was really cool. It was a cool ride.

It was like a literally like a theme park ride.

You would you get in there and the whole thing

would move around and. Yeah, yeah, I wish I would

have been able to go. It was really cool. Yeah,

it was really neat and it was I know we want

to wrap things up here, but I feel like I should

talk about this because it was so damn cool but

you know you go in there and there's a They say

okay everyone, you know how when you go to a

Motion ride and they have everyone get in a room

and line up And they say okay. Well when the

doors open then then there'll be the the ride

will be in front of you You go through the doors

and you sit in the seats Well in this one they

line everybody up in this room and they're like,

okay when the door is next to you open then everybody

go in and sit down and in the ride and then the

lights turn off in this room and it you know,

and then the there's a flashing light and you

hear the teleporter sound and Somehow, you know

Hollywood magic when the lights come back on

you were on a transporter deck And Wow, yeah

It's cool. They pulled the walls out or something

and you're on a transporter deck and there and

there's and that there's a transporter officer

and he says I'm glad we were able to pull you

out. The Klingons are trying to destroy your

group because they believe that one of you is

important. We have Commander Riker on com and

he's going to explain to you what it is, what

the deal is. They have a security detail show

up in the room, in the transporter room. Please

come with us and you walk the whole group walks.

They follow the security detail down a hall that

is straight out of Next generation and you walk

down the hall and then you empty out into the

bridge And it's dead on bridge and there there

are people Manning the consoles and they're looking

at you. Like what are they doing here? You know

Who are these people? What what's going on? And

then on the screen? Riker and he says he says,

you know, I'm glad you're here I can't be with

you that not right now because we're engaged

elsewhere we're trying to defeat the Klingons

and the Klingons are here because they believe

one of you and we don't know which one but we

believe one of you is an ancestor of John Luke

Picard and if they believe they believe they

destroy you or this group then they will destroy

Picard in the future. We can't have that. We

have to evacuate this whole group. And then they

say, okay, security detail, take them down to

the shuttle bay. The security detail rounds up

the group again, walks you down another hallway,

and you're in a shuttle bay. And this looks like

a real shuttle bay, and there's a shuttle there,

and the shuttle is actually the ride, right?

But they... you the doors of shuttle be open

you all climb and it's like a dozen people climbing

get in there the doors close and Then the walls

of the shuttle bay. So does it take you to Vulcan

and then Vulcan gets destroyed? Is that basically

no? No, you know what happens is you fly around?

You fly around Vegas That's just lame, I'm sorry,

that's lame. No, what's funny though is you're

in the shuttle, you fly out of the Enterprise

and then you do a circle around so you can see

it, but then the Klingons show up. The Klingons

show up on screen in the front and they're like,

give us the Picard ancestor. They're like, screw

you man, fly away, we'll provide cover. So you're

flying. Literally through through around these

two ships that are that are having you know a

battle they're they're firing at each other and

I forget exactly what happens but the Klingons

are defeated and And then they say okay, you

know, we're gonna have to you know, drop you

guys off at at whatever Or take you take them

back to the to the to their theme park ride,

you know crisis averted John Luke is okay and

And thank you for all your help And then the

ship flies back to the MGM Grand and then descends

down. And you can see where the lights are. You

know, it says like basement level. And when the

door is open, there's this guy out there pushing

a broom and he's like, what are you people doing

here? You're in the basement. You're not supposed

to be in here. And he's a janitor, you know,

and then he shows you how to get. back up and

then you go through a staircase that takes you

back up into the restaurant, into the gift shop.

I guess you just had to be there for the experience

because that was one long boring run -on sentence.

I'm sorry, Mike. Feel free to edit that out later.

That can be an outtake or something. I just wanted

to relate that to you because the gift shop was

awesome. The restaurant was awesome. Christy

and I had a great time. It was just a lot of

fun. I'm just sorry it's not still open. Yeah,

not a lot of those classic rides and attractions

in Vegas and Universal like back to the future

ride gets shut down in favor of something else

I'm sure in a couple of years the Transformers

ride at Disney World will get shut down or what

I you know what I mean Universal Studios or whatever

so they stopped making a billion dollars a movie

I can see that happening, but the rides don't

ever let like you never see a theme ride like

that last more than a year or so which oh yeah,

yeah, you do Like they Universal had What the

King Kong ride for like 10 years? Before they

shed the the jaws, right? You wouldn't see that

though. Oh, I don't I mean honestly It may it

costs a lot of money to build something like

that and they're not they're not gonna recoup

that money in a year No, they're gonna they're

gonna let us sit out there for 10 years and then

you know when they monitor that the traffic going

through there is Less and less and less over

time then they'll say well, you know what? Let's

get something new in there But yeah, I I'm really

interested in going on that ride at Universal

In Florida and then we and then we found out

that most of the rides at Universal have a height

limit requirement That my boys don't quite meet

So we said okay out of the you know, a dozen

or so rides there Universal they can go on three

or four So we just we decided we weren't gonna

go there We're gonna stick to Disney this year

and then maybe in a couple years when they're

taller We'll do we'll do universal. But yeah,

I totally want to see the Transformers ride.

I totally want to see the Harry Potter stuff

Sorry, is there a Star Trek right anywhere? No,

they closed it because they're bastards So just

a reminder in this long -ass closing of the show

20 minutes or so Over the next 12 weeks. Mr.

Will be doing the Star Trek spotlight with Steve

helming the show. So there you go Also, feel

free to edit that whole rants out. I'm sorry.

It's dated. All right You should put a little

disclaimer in the beginning Michael Wilson is

going to rant for the next 20 minutes. Feel free

to fast -forward It's fine, it's fine, that's

fine, you know, there are people That might be

interested in this theme park ride that has been

shut down for a decade, you know, it's Who knows

I Actually read somewhere there were plans to

create a life -size enterprise enterprise a in

in Vegas and it would have been the size like

two football fields and they were gonna put a

Ride for one thing in it, but they're all gonna

put like a hotel in there So you would go up

into the you know the saucer section and be able

to look outside. I don't think it never actually

got anywhere. I've seen pictures of what it would

have looked like. Or artist renditions. Interesting.

I would have went. I would have paid money. I

would have too. Yeah. But yes. Yeah. So in closing.

Yes. Thank you for listening to this retrospective

on all things Star Trek We hope you'll stay tuned

for the next 12 episodes as Mike stated as we

cover more in depth each feature film So until

next time we have been Dave Jones Mike, Peek

on the Court Michael and I've been Steve Megatron

Phillips saying live long and prosper and we'll

catch you in the theater somewhere out there

Yeah, so you with this you don't have to know

every aspect of all of them. It's just so that

we can touch on base on all of them, even if

it's lightly. Ah, alright, because at this point

I'm thinking, God, how much do I know? It doesn't

seem like that much. Now see, I always thought

you were a bigger Star Trek fan. I mean, I know

you're a huge Star Wars fan, but I also thought

you loved Star Trek as well. Yeah, I do, yeah.

No, I really get on the Star Trek, but like I

said, I've never played the games. I mean, because,

you know, everyone who's in the gaming and Star

Trek knows that the Star Trek games suck. Yeah.

So, I mean, I've never gotten into them. Yeah,

I'll agree to that. I've played so many of them.

It's bad. Apparently, there was a Voyager game

based on the Unreal Engine years ago, and that

was supposed to have been good. But I think that

was in the arcade. When I was little at the arcades,

there was a game that was It was almost, it was

Star Trek, but it was like vector based, and

there was like a little enterprise consisting

of a circle with three lines. And yeah, and you

use a spinner to point it in one direction, and

then you had a spinner, and you had a thrust

button, and a fire button. And it was almost

like asteroids, except instead of asteroids you

had to come up across Klingon warships and blow

them up. And then warp to the next sector and

it just got Progressively harder, but I mean

the the graphics at the time. I mean it like

I said, it was like asteroids graphics And I

played the hell out of that with quarters when

I was 12, but I don't Remember I don't I haven't

played any other games You know, you know surprised

you haven't played the the as the MMO come out

yet Star Trek MMO, yeah it did. Which one? Star

Trek Online? Yeah. It's terrible. It's terrible?

Okay. I played it. I mean it's free to play and

free to download and everything. I played it

and I barely made it past the beginning part.

Did you play DC Universe Online? No. Okay, that's

a vastly superior game. Okay. Just saying. I

haven't played that either. It's also free to

play. I know I don't know if it's been released

yet, but there was one there's a new game and

it's supposed to be like the crispine Kirk and

Dodd said that games terrible really any any

proportions of everything they said you have

like It's it's bad. I guess okay, so you like

plays that sci -fi guy That sucks. You know I

heard good things about it, too. It looked like

it was no there was a commercial And it had...

Oh, Christ. I want to say, it was definitely

Shatner. Shatner and somebody else were playing

the game together. It wasn't Chris Pine, though.

I tweeted it a while ago, and it was like a preview

for this game. And the whole thing is that they

were reintroducing the Gorn. It was Shatner and

the Gorn! Shatner and the Gorn were sitting in

his house on the couch and they were playing

the game and the Gorn is like It's like don't

you know, don't complain to me cuz you suck at

this game It's funny. I suppose. Yeah. It's like

direct TV commercials with Shatner and Star Trek

6 Yeah broke the fourth wall and start talking

to you. Oh, I don't remember those it's hilarious

if you look it up on YouTube yeah, because it

fits like right into Star Trek 6 right after

they they shot the Klingon ship and he's sitting

in the chair and then he just starts talking

gets up and monologuing to the direct TV thing

and then Spock says something and then he does

his typical quote or whatever and then goes in

the turbo shaft and smiles and it ends it was

just it was retarded but it was funny You know

you take what you can get from shat, I guess

Yeah, that's before shat got fat oh Shats been

fat for years one minute to where he couldn't

fit in his Starfleet uniform for years I want

to say it was like him as far back as wrath of

Khan. You know he could barely fit in the Admiral

suit Holy crap, are you tubby Shatner? What happened

to you? It was tailored that way. I eat really

well for a starship captain Let yourself go Do

we have somewhere in here to talk about the Documentary

Steve We can kind of throw that in there with

the general discussion. Yeah, I mean that's Watched

is the captain so I've watched that and not recently,

but I I watched it I watched one of the ones

that Shatner had on I think it was no I was on

Netflix. I think at one point Yeah, better looks

now. Yeah, and I watched Trekkies and some of

the other ones on there and I'm not that much

of a trekkie to watch true. It's poking fun at

the fans to some extent so I haven't seen that

one either Like there's one There's one that

was supposed to be, like, a bunch of guys going

to visit Shatner somewhere. That's the Captain's.

It's his film. It's what he did was he basically

goes to, like, he goes to Picard. He goes to

What's or Nuts. He goes to the DS9 Captain. He

goes to Kate Mulgrew. Ambrie Brooks is nuts in

real life. Yeah, he is. Really? He's out there.

Yeah, he goes to Quantum Leap Dude's place. Oh,

really? Yeah, yeah, he's like doing a Rob Paulson

It's like most of the locations in it like when

he was it with Kate Mulgrew. It was like in a

theater It was it was that um His house and yeah

chatters just kind of looking at him. There's

not much dialogue there and then What's so stupid

with that documentary and it kind of pisses me

off is there's not enough Kirk on Kirk. There's

not enough of... They had him arm -wrestling.

I would rather hear them do more. He did more

discussion with Avery Book, Brooks, and Kate

Mulgrew than he did with Pine. Pine's new to

the role. Doesn't matter. It's still Kirk versus

Kirk. Are you recording this? Yes, of course.

I'm okay good because we'll just we'll just roll

that into the episode then Hey, it's an all it's

an all comprehensive look there we go. So I guess

before we get Since we're already started in

any further in there I guess we should sing,

you know mention the show that this is so welcome

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