Interview with Jay Soderberg on Kill Them All

This is Phil Lamar and you are listening to the

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the comic concierge podcast the podcast that

believes that comics are for everyone The key

is finding the right one This is another one

of my comic concierge podcasts where I bring

someone on I recommend a book to them and we

discuss it today's podcast We have a special

guest Jay Soderbergh aka pod Vader. Thanks man

for coming on Hey, thanks for having me. I'm

really excited Yeah, I appreciate you taking

the time and reading reading kill them all which

we'll be getting to in a moment. But before we

get to that, I thought we'd get get a little

spiel of who you are and kind of people want

to listen and hear more for you how they could

do that. Sure, so I sort of play two roles. I

am the vice president of content at Vox nest

So I represent the company, but I'm also a podcaster

and have my own NFL talk show called next fan

up So you can listen to me there if I remember

correctly you are a Patriots fan. Am I right?

No, I'm not just a Patriots fan. I believe I

am the biggest Patriots fan, baby, man I gotta

say so I'm a Giants fan and it's been a tough.

Oh god. Yeah, it's been I know I know I know

but I was rude I was rooting for the Patriots

the Super Bowl I'm not gonna lie. I I well partially

because you know being a Giants fan I wanted

us to be the only team that ever beat the Patriots

in this role, but also because I hate the Eagles

It was like the worst year possible for a Giants

fan Well, it's funny going into the Super Bowl.

I was having an argument with my father -in -law,

who is also, unfortunately, a Giants fan. And

I asked him, well, what team could you root for?

I mean, are you rooting for the Patriots? Are

you rooting for the Eagles? What could Giants

fans do in that particular scenario? It's like,

we own the Patriots in the Super Bowls, but we

hate the Eagles. And I said, I guarantee more

Giants fans are rooting for Patriots than Eagles.

Yeah, we actually had an argument with my wife,

too, because she's like, no, you get she, you

know, she doesn't want to root for the Patriots

ever. But I'm like, I can't. It's against my

DNA to root for the Eagles, no matter what the

situation is. So, yeah, see, it's just like it's

just like me with the with the Jets. And I usually

extend that a little bit to the Colts and the

and the Steelers. But now I just feel sorry for

everyone because, you know, yeah, it's hard to

hate the Jets because it's like, you know, they're

still to themselves. It's like hitting the ground.

It's like. Can you really just kind of feel bad

for them? But outside of that, I do know, you

know, getting into this, you have some background

with comics. Currently, you know, are you reading

anything currently that you read stuff in the

past? Have you stepped away from it? What is

your history with with comics? So I read, so

my history with comics is really one of those

on -again -off -again sort of relationships.

So back when I was a kid kid, just a little little

tyke, I really got into comics thanks to the

Transformers. Cars turning into fighting robots.

I mean, that's just a winning combination. So

I used to read a lot of Transformer comic books

and then my stepfather who saw that I was reading

comic books that I mean the transformer comic

books were not I mean they were fine for a 10

year old but then he tried to introduce me to

the x -men and I'm so disappointed that I never

got into it because I was like this artwork is

crappy get this thing away from me this this

looks lousy what is what are these stories these

are way too I of course learned later on that

I was going to really regret that decision. But

as I got a little bit older and in high school

and right before college, I really started getting

into a lot of the Marvel stuff, probably thanks

to the guys who ended up leaving and going to

Image Comics. So I was getting into Spider -Man

and the X -Men again by Chris Claremont on the

X -Men. And it really sucks because my stepfather

had some of those original Chris Claremont stories.

Yeah, I just threw him away. It was just so disheartening.

But yeah, it it's been a long curve. And then

I was really into comics through college. And

then after college, I got out of it and then

had kids of my own and got back into comics.

And our library has a great a great system where

you can check out big graphic novels and read

a lot of the Tim sale Batman stuff. Oh All through

college Frank Miller really loved Frank Miller

and the Sin City series and the Dark Knight returns

I had a buddy who? who got me into preacher and

trans metropolitan The Watchmen so I've read

a lot. I've read quite a bit of comics and these

days Again, it's sort of like oh that looks interesting

But it you know The way the companies these days

are renewing the storylines it almost seems like

every other year It's like oh, we're gonna we're

gonna we're gonna change the canon. Yeah, I'm

just it's hard to follow Yeah, yeah that I mean

more right now Marvel's doing a new fresh start

already though I would say going through some

of the books actually been quite good But yeah,

I was I was similar where I had a big break after

college until adulthood because of obviously

the price but as you mentioned the library is

also often been a huge benefit because you can

get a lot of great books especially now that

there's a lot of free uh digital services as

well which has been a huge key but that brings

us to the book that we're talking about today

with with kill them all and you know the reason

i think i recommended this book is because i

know you talked about some of the things that

you do enjoy some of the the comedy and especially

some of the action more action based. And I felt

like this is really in a way like a love letter

to 80s and 90s action films. It's almost like

naked gun. Ask in a way done by Kyle Starks.

He's got a very unique style. So I was curious

because this is a little bit different than some

of the books you're talking about. Obviously

different than Watchmen and Dark Knight, a little

bit more goofy in that sense. But how much did

you enjoy? Kill them all. Oh, I loved it. And

when you talk about that throwback to those 80s

and 90s action flicks, one of the things that

it really reminded me of was that same college

friend of mine, Jeb, who got me into The Watchmen

and those types of comics also got me into John

Woo action movies. And this very much reminded

me of the John Woo action movies from Hong Kong

and Hard Boiled especially. I was like, oh, this

is fantastic. And the dialogue is so spot on

and so witty and funny with a lot of themes that

I think, you know, I think this came out, what,

three years ago that that really fit with some

of the things that are happening today. Yeah,

yeah, it came out, I think, to you. Yeah, two

years ago was the most officially published.

It was published as. You know a complete original

graphic novel so and it was one of Kyle Starks

is really his second biggest project. He had

a book before this called Sex Castle, which is

around the same vein, but this is really where

I first noticed him and it's funny that you mentioned

John Woo. It is like a John Woo in like a. Bruce

Willis slash the rest of the movie kind of combined

into one and the dialogue is a good point. Just

what I what I found really hilarious regarding

this is just how seriously all the characters

are taking it where it feels like. They're not

in on the joke like they're there. This is to

them. It is comedic, but how straightforward

they are like almost like a similar to like let

me Leslie Nielsen and and. Naked gun how or the

airplane how he would? Not know until the later

films when he started getting in on the joke

like he took it straight And that was it's where

the comedy kind of ensued because all the craziness

around him Yeah, absolutely. It was you know

you see the the the ex -cop sort of sitting on

his couch drinking and Watching educational television

It's just I mean, just that thought alone is

just funny. It's like, oh, yep, that's that's

a meme that definitely happens in every single

movie. And I just love like some of the the way

when they did go really far with it, like how

we had what you call it, called it his carcinole,

where he just keeps all of his weapons and everything.

Actually reminded me of was it is it I'm going

to get you sucker that they have that scene with

the one guy putting all the different guns on

him. It goes on forever. So eventually, like

he ends up like falling and killing himself.

of that just the quick access and the like unlimited

arsenal like all these characters seem to have

for some reason my my favorite scene in in the

book was he he's got his two gold plated pistols

and he throw either they're pinned down in a

stairwell and he throws one pistol in the air

shoots at it so that it ricochets off of the

pistol and kills the guy that's shooting at him

with a machine gun that That's just brilliant.

I actually want to see that done in a live action

movie at some point, because that's just brilliant.

Yeah, yeah. And you mentioned some of the themes

that this went after was going at was very similar

to things today. I was curious if you wanted

to expand on that further. Yeah, so the female

character is an assassin who ends up getting

fired because she dumps her assassin boyfriend.

And I saw a lot of the me to sort of theme running

through this in female empowerment, especially

with that character and how the the main bad

guy sort of discounted her. Yeah, I know I trained

her ever since she was a young child, but she's

not going to succeed in all of this. And, you

know, I guess spoiler alert, she succeeds. Yeah,

yeah, it's a good it's funny because I didn't.

When I first read that I didn't I didn't pick

it up that's a good point how you know she it

is like she's dealing with a lot of kind of incompetence

I mean that the main character or the other main

character is obviously like you know he can shoot

bullets off a gun so you know it's what he's

doing but just how she's obviously no fighting

it back against that that stereotype that she's

put in and the fact that once this much of her

arc is built upon just. Having like the worst

boyfriend ever and it just how it goes from them

breaking up to kung fu battle I just it just

like right into it very quickly. It's like we're

not we're not wasting any time I'm gonna go straightforward

and it is somewhat unrelenting. We do get a couple

flashback scenes here and there I was curious

if it ever became like too much because this

is a relatively longer book and with a book like

this that is really amped up did it ever get

to a point where you like You felt like it could

have been a step back or you felt like you were

just going with it the whole way. Oh, no, I thought

the I thought the story flowed fairly well. I

always have a problem with flashbacks. They sometimes

will drive me nuts if you do too many of them.

But I didn't think there were that many flashbacks.

And there does come a point where there are no

more flashbacks, which is good. It's sort of

like you get the flashbacks early on, and then

it literally might even be like halfway through

the book. There's no more flashbacks. It's all

moving forward. So in that sense, I felt pretty

comfortable with it. And you mentioned the themes

going on too about the female character and and

the Liam Neeson -ness of the main male character

or protagonist at least again very similar she's

the smartest person in the book like all the

men in this story are pretty dumb even the there's

a there's a female bad guy who who ends up being

even smarter than the rest of the men so Definitely

the female characters are portrayed in a very

positive light all throughout the story Whereas

the male characters are are sort of portrayed

as big dumb jocks almost yeah, very egotistical

and Especially like the the main villain who

I I got for some reason I don't know if it was

just the hair or the face look play I just like

I imagined Jeff Goldblum taking that character

his his mannerisms weren't that much like it

but like his just his overall design just for

some reason I'm just gonna get that out of my

head. Maybe it's just From his guardian's role,

I just can't get enough Jeff Goldblum, I guess.

It is fitting. I mean, he's got the mullet for

days, the bad guy character. But there's also

a very Asian flavor to all the characters, obviously.

Well, because they all have Asian names, and

they all tend to have a little bit of an Asian

look to them in the artwork. That slipped back

mullet is is very prototypical of the the triad

gang leader. Yeah, yeah. And I thought, you know,

you mentioned the artwork and I was curious about

that, because this is it's a very cartoony style

in a sense. And how that worked for you, because

I know for some it may not. Or I'm obviously

like the book. So I'm guessing the art for you

was effective in that sense. And especially when

it comes to this is a very action heavy book

and how well the action flowed in the sense of.

Now, did it have that John Woo -esque feeling

to you, and especially in the way you have some

of those gigantic, really over -the -top action

sequences? Well, honestly, if there is a negative

to the book, it is the artwork. It's very simplistic.

I almost relate it to a newspaper comic. Yeah.

you know it's got that kind of art flow to it

i mean it works to the degree that that it needed

to but i think overall i think the story is what

ends up driving uh my my my liking of this particular

book But certainly the art isn't isn't one that

I would be like, oh you got it You got to check

out this book because the art in this is just

fantastic This is this is definitely more of

a story driven comic book than a than an art

driven comic book Yeah, it's a good point. I

think what what the art was effective in At least

for me, it was in the sense of it definitely

fit this story. Like if you had, say, like a

Jim Lee speaking about X -Men trying to do the

style, it would, I think, be too much like the

actual thing it's parodying. So I don't know

if it worked. Maybe maybe it could. But having

the more cartoony aspect of it, having like limbs

that go in directions that I don't think limbs

can actually go and over extending them. I thought

it was effective in that manner. But it is, like

you said, it's very straightforward style in

the sense that there is not a huge amount. It's

very cartoony and it's almost like you mentioned

like a Sunday morning cartoon or like a like

adults wouldn't some of the adult swim cartoons

whether it's not it's not really about having

highly detailed accurate art it's about just

Being able to portray the story you're trying

to do in an effective manner Yeah, Jim Lee would

be definitely a little too over stylized. However,

I think you could take like a Rob Liefeld Yeah

and put his artwork in this story and I think

it would I think it would fit fit the story.

Something that, you know, Rob's art isn't cartoony,

but it's also skewed enough where it's not cartoony.

Again, it's not cartoony, but it's a little different.

You know, you can tell that you're looking at

a comic book where Jim Lee can actually, by the

way, Jim Lee is probably my favorite artist.

So, I mean, Jim Lee's stuff is definitely...

It wouldn't fit in this particular story, but

I think Rob Liefeld's could in Eric Larson does

a lot of at least back in the day did a lot of

comedy type Books his his style might work. Yeah,

I could definitely see that Kyle Sarkis who does

this book I so also has another series called

rocket rock candy mountain where it's not action

trip It's a more of a fantasy story that takes

place during Great Depression, and it's about

hobo lifestyle and deals with it's like an American

folklore story. So it's I don't know necessarily

if that would work for you as well, because it's

not really taking much of the action. The sense

of the humor is very, very similar, but it's

definitely a different approach with the story

because it's yeah, it's much more fantasy based

and it's not as parody heavy as something like

this. Went to Kyle Starks website Kyle Starks

calm and he's got a little preview for punch

captain and it's very similar the the dialogue

is very similar to what he has and kill them

all and it I Chuckle every time because it's

it's very funny. It's like his C is not His C

is his fists and they will and they like to punch

and there will be more punching again going back

to those John Woo movies where where you have

to read, you know, there's obviously a translation

and when you read it, the dialogue is very similar.

It's very short, choppy English that just sort

of probably inappropriate to laugh at the same

time. It comes off as very funny. Suppose I mean

they are translating directly from the language

So if in that particular language if all they

do is say I will punch you once and then I will

punch you a second time in the face And then

I will punch you a third time in the face, you

know that repetitive sort of kung fu Dialogue

is I always laugh when I hear it Yes, it's very

you know, they're not they're not hiding back.

They're not utilizing Metaphors all that much

either. It's an extreme metaphor or it's just

straightforward. This is what I'm gonna do and

Then they do it kind of thing. I think you do

make a good point to regarding Carl Sarkis who

does this it's certain certainly he has I think

a huge understanding and it comes from a place

of love and admiration for much of this that

he's parroting and I think because of that he

can kind of hit pieces of that type of genre

and style that Someone who's just kind of using

it uh and not as knowledgeable maybe not be able

to pick up like there are I think a lot of great

little smaller moments and beats where it's just

uh kind of taking that genre and subverting it

here and there um like we mentioned with you

know the main female character the use of flashbacks

especially just um in the way the action flows

I really loved for example The one sequence where

she's going through like the big thing they're

gonna try to stop her with is like we have a

there's that use of cake and Tammy and how she

becomes like this like, you know huge foe and

I just thought yeah, that's always the case right

there is always like how they they'd stop way

too soon in the elevator and they have to face

all these different villains and just the varying

degree of people and how this is actually still

kind of operates as a regular office, even though

it's full of super villains. Right. Yes, that's

the the that particular part of the story I think

is is quite enjoyable where she's they literally

have to fight through floors of employees who

all have desk jobs, but they're all actually

supervillains and assassins. The theme works

extremely well. I can't believe you ate that

cake. I'm going to tell on you punch in the face.

It's pretty good. Another thing is when I Ruka,

I guess that's how you say his name or Mason.

That's his first name easier to say decides before

he gets into the the whole killing spree in the

in the in the office building. He's so down on

himself. He's going to a fight club and he gets

introduced as over cop and the guy is like over

cop what and he's like, Well, you're always overcompensating

and you're a cop. You know, that's It's fantastic

because it's exactly how their names usually

get made up in all of these old, you know, Hong

Kong style movies. And then he suggests that

you should call him grass copper. Again, just

making a pun off of a different name. Puns will

get me every time. This is a very pun punnerific

book, for sure. There is a lot. I do like that

with regarding that scene to how how he wins

the fight. And then like there's that one. It's

like you always do this. This is how you win

all your fights. It's like like it seems to just

go for the man bags as they called it, which

is like, you know, a true a true a true hero,

of course, and how the leader of that underground

fighting ring very much. I would assume he's

like walking right out of like Oh, the John Cooper

to movie or something like that. He's he's got

that really over -the -top huge headdress look

to him But yeah, it's really touching like you

said really touching upon a lot of those different

Hong Kong tropes along with like the classic

80 the classic 80s and 90s action Aspects and

he would see in a lot of those movies It's it's

really great and then and then of course the

female assassin as she's going through the building

runs into the the kill bill Evil super villains.

So there's a there's another female named praying

mantis and I forget another the other one that

she runs into that They actually don't end up

killing each other because they have too much

of a respect for each other Yeah, yeah, it was

quite good. Was there anything else specifically

wanted to bring up regarding kill them all? No,

I mean, it's a fun book. It's definitely one

of those, as we mentioned. If you're into those

80s classic action flicks, you're going to like

reading this book. It has a lot of those tropes

and a lot of those memes. And it's done so in

a very intelligent manner. So I highly recommend

it. Very good. I'm glad you enjoy it, definitely.

And the other piece I'd like to do is now. Based

upon your action to this think of worse in your

other history with books thinking of what else

is out there currently that you might like and

I know you mentioned being a fan of a lot of

the 90s books like a Rob Lee field and I'm not

sure if you're aware but a lot of his like 90s

image properties are now I know everything's

getting rebooted but like young blood and cyber

force images trying to bring them back for a

new age. So if you're looking to get a little

bit he's not writing or drawing them. So if you're.

Really like his art style, but he is overseeing

their creation. He's done a lot of a lot of covers.

For example, one of the recent recent comics,

he did a variant where he created a new character

called called Pouchman. And it's just it's just

a legitimately a dude with a bunch of pouches.

So he's very much with the one thing I do love

about Lee Fielding very much is in on his own

joke. So if you're looking to kind of getting

a little of the 90s flavor, because Jim Lee like

does a comic every five years now. And there

are a lot of relaunches and stuff like that,

but a recent if you really like Batman returns

a really great Batman book that is just ended

was Batman white knight and it very much it's

like a combination of Tim Burton the 90s cartoon

regular Batman takes place in like a else world

universe where Batman and like the Joker and

end up somewhat switching places in a way not

all the way but premise of it is Joker is cured

and he then tries to set out and. Be better than

batman and it kind of goes from there But uh,

it's done by shawn murphy and who's a great artist.

He writes it and draws it and it's fantastic

It's a quite it should be coming out in trade

soon But if you're looking for like a one of

the better batman stories that recently came

out I think that's a one that I think is a high

recommend for me See now when you said that that

Rob is rebooting some of his old Characters and

he's not writing or drawing them. I was like,

oh that's an improvement I'm not I'm not the

biggest fan of Rob. I mean, I love McFarlane.

I haven't read spawn in for in ages So I don't

know what's going on in the spawn universe and

honestly, I mean Image was great when it first

launched, but I think they all got sort of caught

up. I mean Mark Silvestri has a very Jim Lee

esque style that I think they all got caught

up in their own press and you know, I Todd has

probably made more money from his toy line. Yeah,

from his comic books at this point. Yeah. And

now they're coming out with another spy movie.

So there's that too. So yeah, he he I don't think

I can't remember the last time he's drawn a lot

of the image founders. They really don't do much

in the sense of. Comics like creating comics

like specifically writing or drawing them. They're

mostly overseeing except for You know the guy

who made savage dragon that's still coming out

full force and he's still doing that So outside

of that Jim Lee is mostly with DC now Rob Lee

field is kind of cut his own thing He does work

with image here and there but it's really the

new people that it's really changed like images

Changed a lot. They like the Kyle Sarks who wrote

this his new series Rock Candy Mountain actually

came out through image and you still have Robert

Kirkman putting out books but it's image now

is more for I think the place for they have a

lot of horror books a lot of horror books supernatural

fantasy stories and just like general Drama series

it's hard to actually find a book. That's just

a straight human drama anymore It's often there's

always like a supernatural spin to it. But uh

outside of like a Jeff Lemire book here in there

Yeah, and and you mentioned Kirkman. I am a big

Walking Dead fan and I actually I found the Walking

Dead through the TV show first and then I did

go back and read the comics and I'm I'm all caught

up through the comics So I I have an idea of

where the TV show is going although it appears

the TV show is going in a much different direction

now as they have done some things. See, I don't

know how spoilerific I can get on the show, but

I'll just say the TV show is taking a turn that

is much different than the comic books. And it

sounds like with with perhaps their main character

on the TV show about to leave the program, they're

really going to take a turn that's different

than the books. But I feel like if you're in

Walking Dead, you know what you're talking or

if you're watching the show. I actually stopped

watching the show. I just I got rid of cables.

I don't have access to it. Like I have to catch

up on Netflix or something. Well, again, with

The Walking Dead, what made The Walking Dead

the TV show so great and part of what made the

comic great, too, was you have an instance where.

Your main character wakes up from a coma. The

apocalypse has happened. He has no idea where

his family is. When he does finally find his

family, his wife is being taken care of by his

best friend, ex -cop partner, whom he now doesn't

know if he can trust or not. His wife is pregnant.

don't know if the kid is his or not, could be

his best buddy's kid at this point, because they

all thought he was dead. His son is sort of dealing

with all of this. And then when she finally has

the baby, the son actually has to kill his mom

for the birth of the child. I mean, that sort

of drama was just awesome. And they sort of moved

away from the drama and focused more on, all

right, how can we make the next zombie look grosser?

How can we make the killing and the action, you

know, make this more action packed? And that's

not what made the show great. Like, yeah, there

were zombies and yeah, there's, you know, other

factions of humans that we have to fight against.

But, you know, in the end, it's about the human

relationship and how do you take certain Aspects

of the human relationship and put them into an

apocalyptic Sort of background like we the way

we would deal with the birth of a child Nowadays,

you know in a in a nice normal Atmosphere is

going to be that much different than dealing

with the birth of the child in the apocalypse

Yeah, yeah, it's a good point and I think it

got to a point where Where I stop watching where

it was just like it It felt very much to aware

of itself where like a lot of the cliffhangers

felt like they weren't there for story purposes.

They were there to kind of drive up readings.

But then they would kind of go back and like,

no, that person isn't dead there. They kind of

fell into the trappings that, you know, kind

of some comics often do, unfortunately. And that

kind of drove me away a little bit. But you mentioned

Robert Kirkman and he actually did start a new

book recently to called Oblivion Song, which

is it's a little bit different. It's it's of

course, it's still dealing with like kind of

apocalypse in a sense, but instead of it being

the entire world, just like Philadelphia got

like thrown into this like other dimension. And

it takes place a decade after that first happened,

where you have the main character that his job

is like going into this dimension to kind of

rescue people. But he's discovering that people

are becoming less and less interested in going

having people go back because it's been such

a big long period of time. Most want to move

on but his brother was one that was lost so he's

still trying to find him But it's only think

three issues in so far. It's pretty good. I don't

know if it'll have the same type of staying power

or something like walking dead, but it's and

you know, it's not the character the the character

drama in that sense isn't like there is not as

much going on because the focal point is really

just that the one main character, but it's a

The benefit of it too is that the first volume

is actually completely written Because the other

issue with image books is that you'll get like

six issues and then then the next issue will

come out like a year later because Being more

creator own but it's I enjoy it if you might

want to try that it's the first volume probably

won't be out for a little bit, but It's I don't

think they'll be making a TV show out of it.

I they might knowing that he has that deal with

I think it's Amazon, but it would probably be

a little bit more expensive because The fact

like the creatures in that are like these gigantic

like alien like monster creatures. They're Like

really deformed looking beasts in a way almost

like demon ask so it's it's him I think trying

something different but still kind of staying

within his the wheelhouse that you know for him

Well another one that you had recommended to

me invincible. I actually did start to read a

little bit of it and again Like I assume it's

tongue -in -cheek about the naming of characters,

but at the same time So many comic books now

are doing it. It's like the kid hears invincible.

So he decides to call himself invincible It's

a little too on the nose, you know You know one

character's name is robot because he's a robot

Yeah Some of these are a little bit too on the

nose for me. I'm guessing it's supposed to be

tongue and cheek, but at the same time, I'm like,

no, you got to be a little bit more creative

for me than that. That's not going to get me

excited. But we'll see. I'm enjoying it so far.

I've read a couple of chapters. I'm looking forward

to seeing where this story goes where a young

teenager discovers. He's got superpowers That's

a book. I think cuz that's like Robin Kirkman.

I think really fighting himself where It does

it think it gets off to a little bit of a rocky

start and like eventually that's when I was a

little bit hesitant because I think I even Mentioned

that like it takes a little bit for him to kind

of like find his footing with that that just

recently ended it went went off like ten years

But I think what became interesting about that

book is that unlike a lot of other superhero

books is that these characters actually aged

with the time and they actually you know, you

saw like it It was unaffected by anything else.

It was his own story. So there was like an element

of maturing that you don't really get with a

normal superhero book, which helped really make

it different, especially I can't remember what

volume it is, but a lot of what's set up at the

beginning ends up being completely subverted.

I think that's really starts getting kicked off.

I think that's a volume three. I can't remember

off the top of my head because I read it all.

A lot of it's available on Commuxology Unlimited.

So I kind of read it back to back with the first

four or five volumes. But it to me, it got better

as it went. I'm not caught up with that at all.

But it definitely it's not as strong as out at

the gate as Walking Dead was like where Walking

Dead's first issue it really think launched Kirkman

into something else. Invincible took a little

bit of time to really find its footing. Yeah,

I mean, You know, I'm a big stickler for timeline

in any sort of storytelling. And I'm a big fan

of the Star Wars. Go figure a guy named Todd

Vader like Star Wars. And and I got a lot of

problems when it comes to, you know, prequels

and some of these one off movies like solo and

where they fit in the actual storyline and how

it's even possible for some of the things that

they do to make that even happen. So timelines

are things that drive me insane. So when you

told me about the other one where, you know,

it's taken place 10 years after, I'm like, Oh,

God, I can only imagine the flashbacks that they

do to try and fill in and, you know, fear the

walking dead right now has got a similar problem

where they're dealing with you know, a jump forward

in story and a flashback to a story that hasn't

even happened that we don't even know anything

about yet. And we still have questions about,

you know, what happened where we left off the

series last year. And They've got a big, big

problem on that particular show when it comes

to telling story. So I would advise staying away

from the Star Wars Star Wars books then, because

right now they take place in between A New Hope

and Empire and they've been going on for, I think,

two or three years. So there's a lot of story

like they're trying to fit into that to that

time frame. Actually, they're just finally moving

to the new Empire Strikes Back, I think, at issue

50. But somewhat like the main Star Wars title,

the Darth Vader title. right now is taking place

between episode 3 and A New Hope. But that's

actually been kind of fun because it's kind of

just Darth Vader going around and trying to hunt

down the remainder of the Jedi that maybe made

it through Order 66. Before that they relaunched

Darth Vader because that's what they do the first

rendition of Darth Vader was in between a new

hope and Empire that was kind of telling the

story of how Darth Vader found out that Luke

Skywalker was who he was But if you're if you're

a stickler to like wanting to know how they fit

that all in It will probably drive you crazy

because it's like that's a lot of story to put

in between two two films That didn't seem like

they were that far apart from one another Yeah,

I know it's it's trust me like the the latest

ones the brand new ones. I mean We're supposed

to be led. We're supposed to be led to believe

that I think it's supposed to happen pretty much

back -to -back like there's not supposed to be

much time between last Jedi and a force awakens

and I'm sort of like hmm how did the how did

the new order first order see I even call him

by the wrong name get into power so quickly like

just because they blew up a planet now come on

Yeah, well that's where they get the you'll get

the extended universe either comic or novel to

follow that in right I mean Yeah, and that drives

me crazy too, but I get it. It's the big corporate

machine Disney. That's what Disney does Yeah,

yeah, definitely definitely but uh, all right.

Well anything else before we bring this episode

to a close? No, I think we covered it all I think

I think what we've really discovered is that

the comics back in the day are much better than

the comics now. There's going to be one or two

comics that are going to be enjoyable to read

for sure. But if you're a young kid just getting

into comics, you need to go back to the 90s,

my friends. Some of the 90s, because some of

the 90s is pretty bad. There was a very high

much high and low when it came to that that time

frame for sure I know we talked about on the

beginning of the show But if more people wanted

to follow you and listen to what you put out

How would would be the best way to do that? Sure,

you can follow me on Twitter at the real pod

Vader That's an easy way to follow me and my

podcast is called next fan up. It's available

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if you're into the NFL, which I am and we don't

just talk Patriot stuff we talk about What I

can understand why you want to not talk about

Patriot stuff right now So it's a though. I mean,

you know, it's it's could be worse. I guess a

big thing now is Tom Brady not showing up to

OTAs or whatever though. I guess he's there now.

Yeah, he's he skipped the voluntary ones. He's

at the mandatory ones So I'm not that concerned

that that's just that's just the media trying

to find something to talk about. Yeah, which

is Which is fine, but no trust me. I'm one of

those guys where if there's smoke there's most

likely fire so There does seem to be a lot of

smoke coming out of Foxborough these days. Yeah,

we'll see we'll see I mean, yeah, well There's

been a lot of smoke for the Giants as well, unfortunately,

in the wrong ways, especially with Odell Beckham.

But I do want to thank you again for coming on

and taking the time. I appreciate you doing that.

Finding room in your schedule and uh, uh, remember

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