Kevin Smith Retrospective Dogma Review

Hello everyone, Dan here. I wanted to put this

little note up front as we all heard the recent

news of Kevin Smith and his health concerns and

our thoughts, prayers and best wishes of course

go out to Kevin Smith and his family. Really

glad to hear that he's doing okay now and I don't

know about some of you out there but when I heard

that Kevin Smith had a heart attack it oddly

hit me harder than most celebrity news. I don't

know if it's because we're doing this retrospective

or the fact that I've been a fan of him for such

a long time or because he's such an open person

on social media and his podcast. that even though

you've never met him, it feels like we know him

and we are eased that geek that many of us feel

that inspired us to do many of these things that

we're doing today. So again, I say again, best

wishes, hope you feel better soon and I can't

wait to see what he does next. With that said,

let's move on to the show. This is Phil Lamar

and you are listening to the GeekCast Radio Network.

and welcome to cinema geeks as we continue our

kevin smith retrospective today we will be reviewing

dogma kevin smith's maybe most controversial

film i don't know we'll get into it joining me

on today's epic adventure is hard candy mandy

hey hey and of course kevin awesome is solo wings

and all and of course last but not least matt

for the sense Dogma is dog shit Man coming out

guns blazing already. Geez Yes today we are continuing

our look at the career of Kevin Smith We've done

all the films up to this point. She's an Amy

clerks Mall rats and now we are on to dogma and

if you have not listened to those episodes go

back and go ahead and do that What we're discussing

today is this movie and kind of our thoughts

on it and where it fits within his career retrospective.

So it's interesting going back and looking at

this movie and realizing how big of a controversy

it created. And especially now, because that

controversy seems, I don't know, possibly unfounded.

I'm not sure, but you had protests, galore, and

things of that nature because of this dogma film

he was making. But I'd be interested in seeing

if we think those were warranted or not. But

I guess, Amanda, starting with you, you've enjoyed

some of the films so far. Some of them you have

not. Overall what were your thoughts on dog one?

I was looking forward to doing a rewatch of this

I Really have fun with this movie. It's Something

that I didn't take too seriously, and I don't

know if that Was what you're supposed to do or

not, but I wasn't offended by any of you know,

the religious Stuff that could be controversial

in here and I like Ben Affleck and Matt Damon

together in these roles bouncing off each other

the way they do and Seeing, you know Alan Rickman

and seen Alan Rickman seen too much of Alan Rickman

His kindle parts But I don't know I have a lot

of fun with this and I think it's got some interesting

things to say and some really cool premise Interesting

interesting Kevin. How about you? Did you have

fun with it as well? Did you enjoy it? What you

were your overall thoughts on dogma? This was

a first time watch for me because I had not seen

this when it came out back in the late 90s. I

still don't know what I feel about Dogma. I feel

like I liked it, but I'm not 100 % sure if I

did or not. I think it depends on, like Amanda

said, how much you're trying to read into it,

how much you're trying to take it serious, or

if you're just allowing yourself to have fun

with it, because I think it is a fun film. It's

an interesting kind of... in this Kevin Smith

look because it's kind of like the first um first

time we've seen like a major cast ensemble I

guess you could say I mean because you have like

Obviously, Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, but you've

got Salma Hayek, you have Alan Rickman, Chris

Rock, you know, a lot of well -known people,

which is probably more so than any of the other

films we've seen so far. So it's kind of interesting

to see that side of things. I think it is a fun

film. I think there's a lot of humorous moments.

I think there's some interesting and fun dialogue.

So I think it's entertaining and fun. I don't

know... What else to say about it yet at this

point as far as like an overall thought though?

Matt you kind of hinted at what you thought but

maybe that's not the case. What were your overall

opinions on dogma? Oh, I'm just quoting Kevin

I Love the movie. I've seen it more than any

Kevin Smith movie, which isn't to say that I

love it that much It's just that there was a

time in my life when and everyone's life who

I'm sure listens to this where it was on Comedy

Central six times a day And so I don't even know,

it's kind of like that epiphany you have when

you go, wait, have I seen the Star Wars special

editions more than I've seen the regular editions

and what edition is in my head? Like I had that

with this when I was watching, it was like, have

I seen this scene at all? Like, cause I might

not have watched it anywhere other than cable

TV before this time. Even though I owned it on

DVD for a good 13 years, it was still in the

wrapping. I had to actually unwrap it this week.

It's like almost nostalgic because I watched

it a bunch in my teenage years. Yeah, actually,

I'm kind of there with you. I watched it a lot

growing up. I think you had Headed On Stars because

I had like that channel and it was always on

there for some reason. It was one of those movies,

you ever watch those films and you when we're

rewatching it, like I remembered every single

moment of it. There may be some of those movies

where I watch again for the first time in a while

and like realize, well, I forgot all of this,

but everything kind of stuck with me years later.

This came out in 1999. And at the time, I loved

it growing up. I remember when I was a kid, or

it was in high school around that time. I would

often rank it as my favorite movie. But I think

a big reason was I grew up in a very religious

household. We went to church three times a week,

twice on Sunday and on Wednesday. So a lot of

what he was saying in this as a teenager really

spoke to me on that level. And it was interesting

going back as an adult, seeing if it was as deep

as I thought of it. at the time as a, you know,

a punky teenager. And we can get into that a

little bit, but I do think there are some interesting

ideas there. You know, Kevin Smith has gone on

the record. You talked about this a lot, but

you can definitely tell. watching it that it's

coming from a place I think of his own struggles

like with religion and his hidden thoughts on

it. Now he clearly has a certain respect for

it but also maybe has some issues or questions

and I think he explores them here. I think you

could argue maybe that he's not necessarily diving

that deep into those questions and. maybe there

are a limit of superficiality to them compared

to what he could have done. And maybe he still

sticks with some of his more comedic elements

to cover up that. So it ends up being more of

just this typical comedy, but with a unique perspective.

That's interesting Dan that you said some of

that because I have a very similar upbringing

like we went to church three times a week as

well same schedule as you like twice on Sunday

and once on Wednesday for a good part of my youth

I guess it wasn't always that case but for a

good chunk of time and I think what he does well

here though is that He poses a lot of questions

and he has a lot of discussions and dialogues

and Different sides of things that are being

expressed by the characters in the film, but

it doesn't seem like he's ever trying to say

definitively one thing or the other like he's

not trying to necessarily Answer the question

for you. He's just more so having the discussions

and calling out some things that people might

question and Really? Like you said poking fun

at things and having fun with it, but I never

felt like he was you know Dictating what we should

think or saying this is right or this is wrong

Which that's why I don't necessarily understand

quite the level of controversy that might have

been around there But again, I wasn't someone

that watched it back in the time that it came

out So I was a little bit oblivious to the controversy

and what that consisted of If I remember at the

time it was a lot of it before it came in and

I think some of the imagery like a buddy Christ

was I think a big piece of it because it just

seemed blasphemous and You know, you got to protest,

you got to find something and then the movie's

coming out. So we get to get grouped together

and go have a good time. But what's interesting

with this, though, just looking at his filmography

up to this point, easily the most stacked cast

and just the level of talent, you know, from

Al Rickman to Chris Rock, who he's using professional

actors on a different level than he did before.

I was curious how you guys thought. he utilized

them like from, you know, we're seeing a lot

of the same people, of course, we're still seeing

Jay and Silent Bob and some of his other actors,

but we're seeing a different level. I mean, even

George Carlin and Alanis Morissette, it's kind

of a oddball cast. How did you think he utilized

that talent as a director? I think he really

managed all the personality as well. And I think

everybody got to showcase Something of their

character, and I don't think it was too overwhelming

at one point You're like meeting more and more

characters, but then it kind of levels off and

I think that he was able to manage all those

personalities well and balance in Throwing so

many characters at you at once Madame what about

you? I'd like I think this is what I love about

Kevin's but there's a director is there certain

actors that I don't know whether he gives them

a wide berth gives them a long leash or he's

just great for but like you'll see Ben Affleck

in a bunch of his movies you'll see George Carlin

in a bunch of his movies and they're always great

they always like are perfect in those character

slots and I don't know if he's like writing for

them specifically since he writes and directs

which is great if you have someone who can do

both like Kevin Smith can and so like Like you

might have mentioned earlier, the way Ben Affleck

and Matt Damon bounced off each other was perfect.

I don't even know if this was earlier or later

when they were doing movies, because they did

a bunch of movies together and this feel, you

know, it's still in the 90s, so it feels like

that's pretty early in that duo's career together

feels like lived in, like they've been friends

for forever. Another nice thing that he does

though is with some of these like well -known

personalities like let's say like a Alanis Morissette

or even like an Alan Rickman. They're there and

there is some cleverness to the characters that

they're playing and some of the things that they're

doing but he also doesn't feel the need to kind

of go that extra step and have them do something

that would be obvious. You know what I mean?

That a lot of people would play to like he's

not gonna make Alanis Morissette throw a line

from her song or sing something in there. He's

not going to have them have to do what they're

known for, but you still know who that that's

who they are. And then you still find the irony

in who they're playing or what they're doing.

So it's kind of like a little bit of a subtlety

yet or or just a trusting in his audience. Like

he trusts the audience knows who these people

are and get some of these jokes as far as where

they're being at without having to like hit you

over the head with it. Yeah. And I think, too,

like I don't know if it was just the talent around

him, but even like someone like Titian Muse seemed

like he brought his A game and he felt like he

was he seemed more on his character and he was

funnier and I don't know, he seemed like to be

elevated with the people around him. Like seeing

him and Chris Rock interact was a lot of fun

and kind of awkward when you, I'm sure someone

like Alan Rickman has no idea who Jason Muse

is and how that's gonna be. I just loved to be

on the set when that was happening because I

could imagine what that was like. I do think

like he was able to utilize those and based upon

some of Kevin Smith's commentary in the past

that he and the lead actress Linda Forantino

did not. get along very well, but I thought she

was really good in this. I thought her tone,

her performance in the tone that she sat was

a big piece of what made the movie work for me.

Like there was just like a distance to her. Like

she just felt like productive and you can just

see that she was just lost within her quest to

figure out what exactly her place is in all this

as a character. And I think that with all the

craziness going around her, you needed something

kind of a person that could be that straight.

level of energy and she kind of brought that

to the movie. Yeah, I agree with that. I think,

and I agree that Matt Damon and Ben Affleck are

a lot of fun. This might be one of my favorite

Matt Damon performances just because of how unhinged

he gets and especially that one of my favorite

scenes is when they're in that boardroom with

all the animators and things of that nature.

Hey, when someone sneezes, I always say, bless

you. Cause I think back to that scene. I'm like,

they could be the angel of death. So I don't

want to chance it just in case. But what's kind

of interesting too, regarding this is ultimately

almost like a road trip film story -wise. Does

it feel like Smith's most polished movie, at

least in narratively or in the way that it's

structured considering this is not like one location.

This is kind of this more epic quest. I think

it's man that's hard. I think it does feel like

the most polished version of a film that we've

gotten from him and I'm not saying that that's

necessarily good or bad but it does seem like

the most maybe polished complete and and obviously

the the best probably from a you know a cast

standpoint that type of stuff I do agree also

that it does feel like a road trip which kind

of adds a little element of fun to it like it

is definitely that that I don't know road trip

necessarily or just kind of that like that journey

movie where you're you know kind of going on

that grand adventure and it's taking you in a

bunch of our places so it's got a combination

of the two but agree with you as far as it being

a well polished film comparatively but like I

said I don't know if that necessarily elevates

it from a quality standpoint above any of the

rest because the other ones do have that kind

of I don't know there's like a little magic to

them as far as being such rough from like a filmmaking

standpoint it adds like a element of character

to it Yeah, this is was anyone missing that like

indie charm that you got with something like

Clark's I Was a little bit based on what we've

seen so far. I was missing a little bit of it

I think there is enough here though from a dialogue

standpoint and from Some of those other elements

that are they're becoming, you know, very evident

that they are Kevin Smith elements So I think

there was enough there that it still felt like

it was in the family But it was missing just

a little bit of that rough around the edges that

I kind of like from those other films Matt What

do you think? Is it weird that like part of me

is like I like that in Clerks like I love how

it feels like a film school student film but

at the same time I don't miss it when it's not

there like I appreciate it like if we were to

watch you know like every famous director's first

movie and they're all like that I like I love

that concept but I when it's not there I don't

miss it like I enjoy it and I appreciate it and

I understand and I love how with Kevin Smith's

films, you can see, even though we've only watched

like four of them, you can see how he's growing

as a filmmaker, but still keeping it very local.

Like each one of these movies, you can tell it's

just an aspect of this dude's life. Like he's

just writing what he knows and he's writing his

life. Right. Yeah. Amanda, how about you? What

do you, like, I know you've had some of them,

some of them that you've enjoyed, some of them

you haven't. Has there been something that you

feel like, some key elements where you feel like

Smith is working for you compared to when he

hasn't worked as a director or writer? Think

as far as the Polished nature of this one. I

found more enjoyment in this one It was more

like a movie that would seek out and want to

watch I'm not really big on the indie scene though,

so that might be where That kind of style wasn't

working for me in his earlier films, but I do

think that Like the charm and the wit of his

writing it shows through and I can appreciate

all that. Kind of along the lines of Matt in

the sense of like I like it there but I feel

like here if it had it and we maybe wouldn't

have the same impact considering you know what

they're getting at and There's still that element

of to it when it gets a little bit bigger and

you are thinking of the finale. And when you're

seeing kind of where there's epic battle kind

of takes place, but you get there afterwards

and just the use of the wings, they still, you

know, they don't, it's not a clearly a major

Hollywood production. So it's, it's like in the

middle, it's a type of movie that we don't maybe

almost get that much anymore in the way it's

portrayed. But we talked about a little, when

we started regarding some, you know, religion

is such a huge element of this. It's a kind of

the whole. point behind it. Did anything for

you all kind of stand out regarding kind of anything,

any ideas that were brought up, any questions

that were raised that you felt either he was

coming to something that was interesting or something

you felt like could have been maybe fleshed out

or addressed in a more complete way? As far as

like the religious themes? Yeah. I think that

it It didn't portray Catholics in a very favorable

light, but I feel like some of it was pretty

real Yeah, I think it was pretty accurate. No

offense to Catholics. I just don't See eye to

eye with with some of this stuff like these weird

loopholes that they have to get into heaven and

Forgiveness and things like that. I just don't

that doesn't line up with me So I think that

that those pokes at Catholicism worked especially

well for me Think to something that worked for

me was the idea that they were Like the the way

that they're kind of poking at like the standard

like oh people that believe in God also believe

that he's you know this You know white Male figure

you know as far as like the the tradition goes

and I like how they kind of played with that

a little bit With the different ways they went

about that obviously having a female portray

it and then you had like Chris Rock and some

of his Commentary with that type of stuff, so

I enjoyed those types of things too as well as

like a man I was saying kind of poking at the

some of the more systematic or You know more

Catholic like branches of religion and kind of

some of the the craziness that that can consist

of Matt, did any of the things of the more thematic

nature or the angle he was taking, any of those

kind of stick out with you at all? It's so hard

for me because this movie is so ingrained into

my childhood. I almost might have watched this

movie before I became real big into church, so

like any of that angle, like... I don't know.

Like it's so part of my thinking. Yeah. I mean,

do you think, do you think he had ultimately

like, was there a point you think he was trying

to make or was it, do you think it was more so

he was trying to figure things out for himself

in a way? I think it was personal. I think with

all of his movies, it's 100 % personal. And I

think that's something that he ended up losing

and then finding again later. Like I've heard

him talk about on his podcast or towards maybe

his fifth or sixth movie or maybe even seventh

movie. He tried to make it more about something

and he almost like lost it because of that. And

that he works best when he's trying to just do

his own thing and think about his own stuff.

And putting out a message is like a morality

piece is very different from a slice of life

piece, you know? And I don't feel like this feels

like a morality piece in any way. No, it takes

the form for me of like someone that is literally

going through it or thinking back to a time when

you were going through it and trying to come

to terms with what your belief system is and

kind of the things that you are being told or

things that you're hearing from whether it's

a church standpoint or just you know with friends

or family members or whatever and it comes across

to me as like as a kid when you're going through

that you know what kind of questions pop up in

your head or what kind of things do you hear

that don't make sense to you or that you have

to try to come to terms with and it and it feels

like this is vehicle for him to kind of just

throw a bunch of those types of things out there.

Let's let's pose this question that I had when

I was going through this or let's let's expose

this crazy concept that this one religion has

or things like that so that's kind of how I took

it is more so like Touching on things that he

was familiar with from his experience, but not

necessarily as in a morality tale He's not trying

to say like this is right or wrong Just like

these are the types of questions that you have

to come to terms with and this is some of the

stuff from my experience But I could be off with

that I guess there could be something said about

the subtlety of who he puts in as religious figures

because like George Carlin is very anti, like

everything the Catholic Church is about. And

in a later movie, he gets Carrie Fisher to play

a nun. And it's like, she's very not nun -ish.

Same with the Alanis Morissette, too. Yeah, Alanis

Morissette is not the embodiment of God in any

way. Was he being ironic? Hey, don't you think?

Unless he was on the correct way, yes. And I

think that even if he wasn't... trying to put

that out there, you could make an argument that

subtly he's at least toying with it and playing

with it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's very true.

I mean, I think ultimately he, I think he's being

critical, but also not in a mock. Some people

may look at it and think he is because you, you

know, like again, you see that image of Buddy

Christ, but I think he's more so, he's not necessarily

marketing, I think mocking or being critiquing

of the religion, but rather the people that kind

of guide it in a way, and maybe the craziness

they have, or as well as the individuals themselves.

I think one line that always kind of stuck with

me and still sticks with me today was like the

line of how Catholics don't celebrate their faith,

they mourn their faith. And again, I wonder if

that was something that he was struggling with,

because it's like, these are coming from a personal

angle, there are certain things. Ultimately,

he's creating a movie where God exists, right?

So clearly he, despite the fact he might have

devout atheist as a preacher, I think ultimately

you kind of see the side he's on, but I think

he ultimately is trying to understand it from

all the different angles, which I think makes

it a little bit more enjoyable in that way, because

you never feel oddly enough that you're being

preached at, but at the same time, clearly he's

trying to get at something rather than playing

with that subject matter you're never supposed

to talk about. Right, no, I agree with that.

Is there anything else anyone else wanted to

bring up that we have not got to you? I just

had a question Do you guys all keep fire extinguishers

in your closets? Is that something that I'm supposed

to be doing that? I was not brought up I would

in my kitchen. I mean, I've never heard of somebody

having one in their closet. So that was new for

me. I thought I was maybe raised wrong or something.

I didn't get that train. It's a comedy, Kevin.

You're taking it too seriously. This is also

before Y2K. So people are getting really prepared

for things. So this movie does have quite possibly

my favorite quote of all time and I had to write

it down when I heard it. There's at one point

where they ask, and well I'll just give you the

whole line, where they sent to hell, worse, Wisconsin.

Like that, I hate Wisconsin, so. But if you're

from Illinois, you know what hate for Wisconsin.

So that was a perfect line for me. And yeah,

this is taking place in Illinois too, it says

Shermer, Illinois, which I'm not familiar with

where that's at, but. It's probably not real.

Shermer, Illinois, real Matt, is that a real

place in our state? You know, as someone who's

traveled this crazy state a lot, I don't know.

But any movie that's going to bash Wisconsin,

I am 100 % for. Dang. Man, I didn't know there

was a Wisconsin -Illinois beef. I didn't know

that was a thing. Also, we live right on the

border, almost. I can drive a half hour and be

in Wisconsin. So, I don't know. And also going

to an Illinois school and having to face Wisconsin

and then having to work with all Wisconsin people

that think, I won't get into that. You opened

a door, guys. Man, we clearly have. Therapy session.

Hopefully it's not one that won the world. Matt,

you mentioned when you watch this, there's other

things that you typically take out of it that

you enjoy. things that you revisit. Did we touch

upon any of those or there's other ones that

you wanted to bring up to highlight what you

tend to take away from dogma? Oh, man. I like

I don't know. I enjoy the whole movie. I don't

know what like really charms me about it, but

like it's something that's so relatable and so

fun. So I'm going to say that. Yeah, I mean,

I think relatable is certainly there because

I think a lot of people can. pick different characters

that they relate to within this and how it works

and but yeah I went back and watching this I

know it was like wow I just I think I've gotten

like I remember like I said this was like my

favorite movie as a teenager for a very long

time and then I went through a period where I

didn't like it but going back and watching it

again I think there's especially watching it

after seeing the other films in Smith's career

I think there's elements of this where I think

he's probably on his game more so than any other

time in his career, but overall there may be

some other things. So I guess anything else you

wanna bring up before we give our final thoughts

and grades? I wanna say that I super liked the

scenes when the angels did get their wings back

and even like the mutilation of them was crazy

real for me. Like we said that the production

maybe not have been that great, but I believed

it. Like I thought it looked awesome. The wings

at least looked like there was a physicality

to them, and that was pretty brutal. All right,

well, let's go ahead and give our overall final

thoughts and grades for Dogma. Amanda, let's

start with you. I had a pretty high enjoyment

level of this and me seeing it on like two sides

of I think when I first saw it I didn't really

have much faith that age I was kind of leaning

towards an atheist view and lifestyle and now

even seeing it once I found my faith as an adult

I feel like my enjoyment really didn't shift

either way I was able to enjoy it on both sides

so I'm gonna give it a 7 .5 7 .5 nice Kevin let's

you I know you were you were like Debating on

how you felt about I don't know talking about

it helped your overall thoughts Was there anything

we didn't really get into any negatives were

there any negatives that you wanted to bring

up before you give your final thoughts I don't

think there's really too much as far as from

a negative standpoint I think it's right now

boiling down to with the films that we've seen

so far of Kevin Smith's more of a personal taste

thing like I think there hasn't I mean outside

of you could I guess you could could critique

some with the rough edges and the maybe not advanced

filmmaking skills or something like that, but

there's really not too much of a negative I don't

think that you can find from most of the films

we've covered so far. It's just more of a which

one spoke to you more as far as the subject matter

and kind of the stuff that they were aiming at.

And just before we get critiqued by the listeners,

Shermer, Illinois is not a real place. It was

apparently made up place by John Hughes. in a

lot of his films, but it's not an actual place.

If my two -second research is accurate, I don't

know. Yeah, I should know that, because I remember

Kevin Smith talked about that in one of his comments.

The evening was Kevin Smith, and that's exactly

why I said it there, and I can't believe I...

didn't think about. I guess maybe you might critique

this film for if you're someone that does not

like a heavy dose of exposition at different

times to move the plot along because there is

a lot of exposition here, but I think when it's

done in the way Kevin Smith does it, it doesn't

bother me personally. I don't know. Overall,

I'm positive on this film. I'm going to give

myself some room still to marinate on and decide

where it's actually going to fall in as far as

the filmography. But I'll give it like a seven

for right now. All right, Matt, how about you?

I don't know, man. I love Kevin Smith's, especially

his first, I don't know, half dozen movies like

they really they really touch to a certain point.

And this one's got a lot of nostalgia. I can't

I can't be fair to it. I think it's easily an

eight. Like it's a. I can't think of anything

I would change though, which means it should

be higher up, right? But it also isn't necessarily

my favorite thing, so that's what I'm gonna do.

Going I remember when we I'm glad we did this

retrospective because I remember for There's

kind of a common mantra that kevin smith's made

one good movie clerks and after that he hasn't

really gone to that level yet and I kind of understand

that that idea but as going through these like

I'm actually becoming more respected respectful

of him as a director and a writer and realizing

there's more craft than I think he gets credit

for. Like he's never gonna be the greatest director

in a production standpoint. Like he, you know,

hopefully he meant he doesn't know necessarily,

you know, key shots or how to utilize the camera

as some other people. But I think when he gets

better. than a lot of directors is he understands

people on a level that some directors and actors

don't because I think there's a disconnect there

where I think he's kind of representing a life

he's lived. And with that, you get a movie like

Dogma. And we talked about like how it does feel

like much of this movie is. a struggle or questions

he was asking himself, but it never feels necessarily

that it's ultimately personal. There's some universal

questions that are asked and explored, and maybe

it isn't ultra sophisticated in every way, but

I think if it... was it wouldn't be true to the

story it was trying to tell. And ultimately,

even though it's dealing with some hefty material,

it ends up still being enjoyable and fun and

keeps that sense of humor that you would expect

from a Kevin Smith movie. And I guess walking

away from it, I'm like, wow, I think this, after

seeing it again and enjoying it on the level

that I did, I'm like, this might be my opinion

at this time, my favorite film that we've gone

through of his. I respect a lot about what Clark's

did, but I feel like he was able to kind of come

together with everything that's made him a good

director up to this point. And this was like

the movie he was like leading up to tell something

that was true to life, but also kind of hitting

at some more deeper things than just, you know,

day in the life type of situation. So for me,

it's possibly higher. Like I said, just maybe

that. But I was really glad we kind of went back

and saw this. Like I said, it's an endlessly

rewatchable movie that, as Matt and I mentioned,

we watched a lot growing up. And I can see why,

just because it's like each scene, there's a

lot of great scenes that we even talk about,

like the subway scenes and how he was able to

get situations where a lot of these characters

were interacting. And maybe it was forceful narratively,

but on a strictly an enjoyable scene standpoint,

those were some of the best moments, like seeing,

you know, Affleck and... Linda's character all

kind of interact on that. Those were some of

the biggest best moments for me in the movie.

But anyways, anything else before we bring this

episode to a close? No, I think that's an interesting

place. Like you said, if he's leading up to something,

then what comes next? Because we still have a

few that are definitely part of that same family

yet to watch. So I'm intrigued since most of

these are first time watches for me based on

that comment to see kind of where it goes from

here. Yeah, and that's a good point. So, you

know, we are This is obviously interesting because

they were finally getting on the 90s. So I'm

sorry Amanda, but we Yeah, so his next movie

after Dogma that we'll be talking about next

time was actually Jay and Silent Strikes Back,

which I don't think I've ever saw it straight

through. I've seen bits and pieces of it. I remember

watching it at a friend's house, so it'll be

interesting going back and watching that, considering

it's those characters that we have often talked

about. We didn't talk about them in this episode,

but we often said less is more, and I think honestly...

Outside of clerks this this has been my favorite

use of them. I think this is when they're at

the most Like a sedation movies was the best

performance in that character so far, but We

also have a lot of other things fun things coming

out We'll be continuing our video game series

if you've not checked it out We also have before

this our most anticipated movies of 2018 as well

as our box office draft That went up and a lot

of other things planned for this upcoming year.

So let us know We will be doing more video game

movies Regretfully, but someone has to do it

and we're here for that but But before we go,

let's give our Twitter information Amanda. How

could we'll get out to you Kevin you can tweet

me at optimus solo Matt I am at Fred Lee said

and I am at Movie Revolt. But that'll be it for

this week. Join us next time as we continue the

Kevin Smith retrospective with a review of Jay

and Silent Bob Strike Back. Thanks for listening.