Interview with Phil Lamarr, Tarol Hunt, Matt King, and

This is Phil Lamar, and you are listening to

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fictional, but it's not just like movies TV and

all that Today I'm presenting a special interview

to talk about the Goblins animated series that

is hopefully going to get funded to get made

with me I have for the first time in five years

the illustrious, Mr. Phil Lamar I make how are

you illustrious? I like that that makes it sound

like I'm wearing fur Yeah, wow, yeah, it's so

not what I was going for but okay We have mr.

Terrell hunt hello, sir. Hi. I am wearing very

little fur You're wearing very little That's

what she said All right, also miss Danielle Stevens.

Hello Danielle Hello and mister met king the

renegade of g i don't sell that's exactly right

that's exactly right uh... for everybody that's

listening to this you should not need any introduction

to phil lamar since i've talked to several friends

my fiance and other people about doing this interview

they're like you interviewed the guy from mad

tv twice and i'm like yeah They're like, oh,

you're pretty famous, though, aren't you, Mike?

I'm like, no. Nah, I'm just a guy. See, it's

been a while since Phil and I had a chat. Very

awesome to have you back. And you're still on

the internet. The internet hasn't fired us. I

know, right? The internet can do that? With Donald

Trump in charge, anything can happen. Anything.

We're shutting it down. We're shutting down all

of the bad internet. We're safe up here in Canada.

All those picky jobs just going away. Wow. Oh

boy. Yay, this is turning into the Donald Trump

interview. Wow. Okay. Don't get us in trouble.

Longer than I thought we would. Alright, so Goblins

Animated is a new project. Terrell or Matt or

Danielle, who wants to go first, or Phil, who

wants to go first in telling everybody how this

came about and what the idea is behind it? Well,

why don't we start off with Terrell, with the

inception of the whole thing. Oh, okay. It's

based off of my webcomic that... I've been doing

for like 13 years. And that's pretty much it.

Mike, have you got a chance to see the comic?

I have not seen the comic. Tell them about it,

Terrell. Yeah, that's why I was like, yeah, tell

us about it so we know, so that way we know when

we talk about the animated series what it's going

to be like. I've seen the video for the animated

series on the donation page, but I haven't actually

seen the comic itself. Basically, it's a D &D

type world. Well, I mean, it's a fantasy... RPG

kind of world where the the physics of that world

follow the game mechanics there's hit points

you go up levels and stuff the characters are

aware of going up levels and things um and uh

it sort of it it it showcases the you know like

sort of i don't want to say parodies dnd type

games but it it uh it references them yeah um

and It's it's from the point of view of the monsters

of the little guys this sort of I mean there's

the You know you make you make a first -level

character And you want to become super powerful

and fight dragons and deities and save the world

But when you start out you got to you know like

beat up the the little teeny guys the the the

goblins or the little were bunnies or whatever

you know kill three mosquitoes and i'll give

you these crappy boots you know that's sort of

a deal um and this is sort of a story of those

little guys how they're not the epic enemies

that that get respect like massive dragons that

that you know live in a mountain and they're

certainly not the adventurers they're just the

little guys that get kicked around um and so

it's sort of them fighting back sort of them

sort of breaking the rules and and standing up

against us So they fall somewhere between Han

Solo and Granamir. Ranamir? Granamir was the

dragon in He -Man and the Masters of the Universe

from the 80s. Yeah, I don't even think they'd

get as grand as Han Solo. Hang on a second. I

was a huge He -Man fan in the 80s. Granamir?

Yeah, it's the giant red dragon. The old dragon.

there was a red dragon in in he -man i'll send

you pictures of it afterwards i'll send you video

later yeah i'm so disappointed i had all the

toys apparently not all of them apparently not

like how do you miss out on granamir everybody

knows that one so he's the one with the helmet

yeah the one with the helmet who sat in it he

looked like he was always taking a dump on the

most gigantic toilet they all kind of look like

that in he -man He was more in She -Ra than he

was in He -Man, but anyway. No, actually, he

wasn't. He wasn't more in She -Ra, no. I've spent

the last five and a half years reviewing every

episode of Filmation He -Man and She -Ra. I have

no life. I'm so sorry. I have no life, so yeah,

no, he was not in She -Ra, hardly at all. He

was in like six or seven of the 130 episodes

of He -Man and the Masters of the Universe. There

we are. Wow, that's deep. Dude, you had to watch

all that? I mean... Wow. Yeah. Yeah, so he's

not as glorious as Granamir, nor is Hansal. He's

more like... More like somewhere between Granamir

and a Porg. Yeah. Yeah, there's... Daniel just

pulled up a picture of him. I've never seen this

guy. Seriously? This is blowing my mind. Well,

you guys realize that someone who describes themself

as an avid watcher of a television show on average

has seen one out of every four episodes. Right.

Like, we all think that we've seen everything,

and with the exception of Mike, we haven't. Right,

exactly. Mike is the only person who's actually

seen all of it. The sad thing is, you know, Phil,

you say, oh, I'm sorry. I feel sorry for you

for doing all the filmation stuff. I'm currently

doing the new adventures cartoon from the 90s.

That's even worse. Anyway. Yeah, anyway. Yes,

go down that road. Yeah, no. Goblins, you know,

will not be as bad as filmation. Like in terms

of animation, like that's why we're, we're, you

know, Kickstarter is, you know, is, I mean, why

we're doing this crowdfunding campaign is so

that we don't have it look like that. Exactly.

You don't want the scrolling background that

goes on for four hours of the same four trees.

And we know that talent -wise, it's not going

to be Lou Scheimer doing all 19 voices. Exactly.

Because we've got an amazing cast. Did you get

a chance to see? Oh, yes. Yeah. So folks, you

need to fund this, not just to help. the the

creators here but just for the simple cast it's

not that i don't mean simply like simple simple

but just all my god billy west jennifer hale

jim cummings matthew mercer marisa marsh steve

bloom and terry strong along with phil lamar

and matt king and now we're going to go back

for as well all -out just announced cloy today

So yes, it's it's we got a lot of hitters on

the team and we know more and more to come and

more to come and we know that we can come in

and Really sort of lay down goblins in front

of people and present something that that's quite

amazing I mean the thing is Terrell's Canadian,

so he will never Like just be proud of this thing

because it's it he's too humble but goblins I

mean it set me on fire ten years ago. I had a

podcast called Geeks on And my friend Peter was

a co -host with me on it. We cover all sorts

of geek stuff. And he said, you got to read this

comic called Goblins. And so I picked it up.

And it blew me away. Because it takes on these

amazing tropes that we just take for granted

in fantasy and science fiction. And it takes

it on in this wonderful lampooning way that That

I just absolutely fell in love with and and and

have wanted just to sort of virally connect other

people to it Because I mean when you have these

simple goblins in the center of the village going,

you know Okay, the humans are coming and they're

gonna kill us again Can we do something about

it this time? Do we I mean, you know, we have

a poorly locked chest in the center of the bill

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean they're magic weapons

in it. Can we use them? Is it could we just take

them out and use it and no, no, it's not tradition.

It isn't it's not done. It's not done and Just

just that one thing when I read that in the comic

it blew me away Because I was like, yeah, we

do take these sort of tropes for granted because

they fit the game they fit that game that we

all played and But what did it mean to those

monsters on the ground because they are always

getting raised and there's there's There's no

personality to them, so how did they feel about

it? And Terrell goes so in depth, week to week,

and the fantastic thing for anybody who hasn't

read Goblet comic, and I'm gonna blow more smoke

at Terrell, is that you watch this guy who just

had a dream, like 13 years ago, and everybody

who's working a crappy office job and who really

wants to do something beautifully creative. should

look at Terrell's work because here's this guy

who had a dream and he goes out and he just decides

to do it and that just alone is something that

is so rare and should be treasured but he goes

out and does it and he starts drawing this comic

and you can see Terrell evolve as an artist over

13 years of this comic to where he's a talented

amateur when he starts to now The work that Terrell's

consistently putting out week to week that that

Danielle and here are doing and that Cheyenne

Wright is inking is Truly, I think one of the

best web comics on the net and he's just bringing

Storyline after storyline after storyline and

when you see something like, you know, I'm not

gonna name names But when you see these things

these movies that come out that cost millions

and millions of dollars And they look beautiful,

but the story is just lacking. When you have

something that - Star Trek! Yeah, sure, sure.

When you have something that has this good of

a story, you want to get the best people involved,

and you want to get the best animation behind

it, to really just have people see it do what

it can do. And that's what we're trying to do

at its heart. Absolutely. It's funny that, I

mean, like we were talking about the, you know,

He -Man cartoon from the 80s, and it's kind of

like I was raised on that stuff, like in the

80s, G .I. Joe, Transformers, He -Man, those

very formulaic half -hour, five times a week

episodes. And I remember, you know, I used to

watch them and be really into them because I

was too young to realize that there was this

formula, they were there to sell toys. As I got

older, I started to realize, hang on a second,

like using the Transformers as an example. I've

been watching this for years. And here are the

Autobots and Decepticons, two like races of robots

specifically designed to kill other robots. Like

they have like cannons for arms and they shoot

nuclear weapons out of their butts or whatever

that like whatever that robot does. And they

fight each other for half an hour a day. like

for five times a week and they've been doing

this for like eight seasons or whatever not a

single one has ever killed another like you think

Megatron would stop and go hang on a second we've

been doing this for years has any of us ever

killed an Autobot any of us no no they never

have we're really really bad at this and that's

the same thing like with He -Man you got characters

I've got a sword disintegrate mountains and like

GI Joe we're shooting lasers and like and nobody

nothing ever happens this when as soon as you

get old enough to realize The story doesn't progress.

It's not a story It's it's kind of depressing

and so that I think that's one of the big things

that inspired me like it's I think goblins it

taps into that that old -school Feel of like

like Dungeons & Dragons. There's all kind of

like cartoons except you know There's consequences.

People die, arms are chopped off. I have a personal

rule that every time there's a fight in the story,

something changes forever. It could be something

as serious as a main character dying. It could

be something as small as a piece of clothing

is ripped or armor is damaged or there's a scar

on a character or something. But there will never

be a fight where... Everything is exactly the

same as it was before the fight happened because

yeah Absolutely, and I agree with that except

the only thing I hope you never do is you impersonate

a certain Person that sold his soul to Disney

because he always cuts the hands off of everybody

Yeah, no, just don't start doing that and that's

cool Yeah, technically all of those shows were

for selling toys but there are several episodes

of any of them that you can really watch and

is a real story right from us but also you there's

i mean as somebody who's much older than all

of you guys uh... sure robert in robert in it

yeah that's that's something i'm bright The fact

that storytelling has changed so much in the

last 25 years. I mean, think about it, before,

it was like, you had to, if you were a kid and

you wanted to watch a cartoon, there was one

period of time, one day a week, where you would

get new cartoons, Saturday morning, on three

channels. That was it. And then, at one o 'clock,

golf would come on. and your time was done or

at noon saved by the bell you were so lucky so

the fact that you know you now have access to

so much more story that you can you know you

don't have to go back to one every time and you're

not waiting seven days for you know another chance

to hear that story then you know and it's great

cuz terrell i feel like goblins sort of lives

in both worlds it remembers the old kind of storytelling.

It remembers the old rules, but it breaks them.

You know, I mean, to me, what drew me it doesn't

break them. It also where it doesn't break them.

It also points a finger at them in this great

way. Yeah, absolutely. And combining storytelling

from old, the olden days, you know. when Phil

was a young buck to now. Yeah, that's a good

way of doing it. You don't have to have the old

way or the new way. Just have something that

is a story that you want to tell in the way that

you want to tell it. There used to be all kinds

of storytelling rules, as we've already said.

May the man rest in peace. luciber was luciber

and once he gave you an outline you wrote something

compared to you know going through that outline

or whatever it is but this is this is minute

fourteen if they hit it all down no no no no

that's wally burr you leave wally alone but honestly

mike what what you're what you're talking about

is what through me to this project is having

a story that really just pops that sings to you.

It's like, oh, I love reading this comic. This

story needs to be given to a wider audience,

especially because it's got these great graphics,

these great images, these great characters, and

this amazing world. It's not just this one tale

that we can tell. I know that there are so many

tales that we can tell. And it's also unique

in its style and its tone. And part of the reason

we're crowdfunding it is we want to try to hold

onto that uniqueness to be able to create something

that captures the animated version of Terrell's

Goblin's World and then show it to people so

like this is what we're talking about as opposed

to trying to describe it. Like we're doing now

It's difficult you could say you could see even

with the level of geek knowledge that we have

you know and and the sort of collective experience

of going okay remember when It's still difficult

to sort of share it and so that's one of the

reasons why it's so imperative To be able to

have a visual reference point for this to be

able to go look hear the voices Here's what it

sounds like. Here's how funny it is. Here's how

snappy it is. And here's how really heartfelt

and dark that it can get. Because that's one

of the amazing things about the comic is that,

I mean, Phil and I, when we were looking at it,

we knew immediately that if this was going to

a studio pitch, that instantaneously, it was

getting watered down. And we didn't want that

to happen. Right. Because you've got multicolored

characters, they're immediately going to go,

oh, 7 to 12. Like, well, not necessarily, you

know. Yeah, I would advise against having seven

year olds. Yeah, exactly. I remember grounding

my son for reading the comic because he was too

young to read it. And I caught him. I was like

both really, really proud and like, oh, he broke

the rules to read my comic. But at the same time,

I was like, oh, my God, you're in so much trouble.

But Yeah, I remember talking to somebody like

years like we're talking like seven eight years

ago about and He was making suggestions on from

a business standpoint Changes that I need to

make and he was saying first of all You can't

keep changing the characters that you can't have

them level up and get new Say armor or weapons

or anything because that makes merchandising

difficult like you have to have an iconic view

This is the way that character looks like Han

Solo's best, you know, like This is the way the

character looks. It makes merchandising far more

profitable fart, like much easier. And secondly,

you can't do things like introduce something

that doesn't have a payoff for like way to way,

way down in the story. Like because, um, it's

gotta, it's, it's, it's gotta, you know, the

structure's gotta be like it sets up and then

pays off like right after that. Otherwise people

aren't gonna, you know, Like they aren't they

aren't going to remember or stick around or be

interested for that long. So and like I realized

that like either either you got to treat it like

a business. I mean, like a lot of storytelling,

especially something like movies or TV, it's,

you know, the symbiotic relationship between

the business and the creativity. You got to have

both without a budget. You can't really make

the thing the way you want. And without the creativity,

it's just a bunch of numbers. So but I think

that, I mean, I remember deciding that I either

have to look at this from something that'll hopefully

make me as much money as possible or something

that'll be a story that I'll be proud of that

I can look back and think, well, that's a cool

story later on. And so I went the creative side.

So it's structured to be the best story I could

possibly tell and not the most profitable, merchandisable

money -making thing. Oh, we're going to change

all that. Well, yeah. I mean, that's the thing.

You can have it be the most creative story in

the story that speaks to you and that you want

to show the audience and still make a crap ton

of money at it, you know, like, and, you know,

to your point about, oh, you know, we want to

have payoffs to the story. We don't want to have

to wait six, seven, eight, nine, ten different

books or ten different years for a TV series

to pay off crap that happened in season one,

looking at you, Game of Thrones. You know. uh...

there there is a description of of the goblins

animated that is smurfs meet smurfs meets game

of thrones uh... i will say the only thing game

of thrones that i actually have ever really enjoyed

because i refuse to pay hbo just to see one tv

show because everyone says i should was the sesame

street parody game of chairs with grover uh...

it's funny it's a little bit yeah i'll say i'll

send it to you after this It's so awesome. Alright,

so let's talk about the characters. Terrell,

where do you want to start? Which character do

you want to start with? And let's go through

some of their personalities and what we can expect

in the animated series once it gets funded, because

we know it's going to get funded, come on! Basically,

the story starts with the group of goblins, the

main group of goblins that stand up and, you

know, the ones that decide to break the tropes

and decide to go up levels themselves and do

things like use the treasure from their, like,

poorly locked treasure chest, which is normally

set aside for the adventurers to collect. I remember

like when I first wrote like the first few pages

as like an initial concept and I had an idea

of what I wanted the story to do but I hadn't

written the whole story at that point this is

like 15 years ago or something and in that initial

introduction to the concept of the humor and

stuff I had a bunch of characters that they were

written and like designed to be one gag characters

they're there for a funny joke and then that's

it like The one character comes in is like starts

complaining about how stupid all our names are

and then that character's name is complains of

names and the other character who's like a goblin

who's like terrified all the time of everything

because his name is dies horribly because he's

prophesized he will one day die horribly all

these little one payoff jokes and Remember like

I did that concept and I was thinking okay, so

now I have to design the main Goblins the ones

that the ones that I'm gonna take seriously I

Couldn't like write these characters that were

as interest like I just I was like I need to

capture that like like the initial characters

I think are really interesting I needed to capture

that and I eventually just decided you know,

you know what? Let's let's just have these characters.

So like they all have these names that are kind

of one gag situations but I took all of the like

the depth that I wanted to put into the main

characters and I put it into them and so I think

it accidentally paid off really really well so

that's that's the the the basic main group but

it's got a the the the story has like a large

ensemble cast I mean you've got the the the adventurers

who start off as antagonists and sort of, you

know, we look... Yeah, well, the two main humans,

or not humans, but the two main adventures, Min

-Max and Forgath, that's the characters being

voiced by Billy West and Maurice LaMarche. And

I'm doing Complains of Names myself. And... Because

it's a role that's fit just for you. Come on.

Well, because I complain about everything, and

they say, OK, well, I guess we know which character

Phil's playing. But it's interesting because,

yeah, just in that very first story arc, we've

got two paths. And I mean, that first story is

about these two groups and where their paths

collide. That's our first story. Hopefully, once

we get funded and get moving forward, we can

flesh this out and bring it to life. Absolutely.

And I'm playing Fumbles, who is the best character

in the whole piece. And Fumbles really is the

aspirational goblin. I mean, what is he? He's

1 32nd of every class. Is that what it is? I

thought it was 1 11th. 1 11th. 1 11th of every

class. Yeah, he yeah, he he initially he's he's

the first goblin to to make himself into a player

character and He takes every cheesy Like bad

idea that players have put it when we've all

done it put into these like like cheesy weird

characters and I don't think that I was gonna

say the book Terrell That's why I like min -max

because I straight up do that. Yeah Yeah, so

the Yeah fumbles makes his character. He's he's

He's kind of he's different because the Goblin's

name is fumbles because he always fumbles like

he rolls a one all the time, but He's made himself

a player character, the only goblin to have done

this, and he gave himself a character name, Senior

Vorpal Kekaso, which I love the way you yell

that, Matt, by the way. And he... See, he's kind

of like the little guy who pushes the story along.

Yeah, he's the concept. Like, it's embodied in

him. Which is funny, because he's so not a hero

character at all. Right. You know, he's goofy.

He's goofy and not but he's the one he's the

one who sort of he gets it and that's why As

his character has been paying off over the years

I I've been so excited because it's finally like

it's like small -town kid makes good He's goofy,

huh? You better be careful about Bill Farmer

coming after you Well, if Matt hadn't been available,

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single character, which you can't actually do

in D &D, but he's done it anyway So he's one

at level one. He's one 11th of every character

So when he casts a sleep spell on someone the

person's just sort of like I don't know I guess

I feel kind of lethargic Because everything is

everything's watered down so much. So wait a

second there Okay, so I've always asked this

question. I always forgotten so When he levels

up, let's say he gets to level two Right, then

he's two 11th of everything? Yeah. He has to

get to level 11 to be... So he has to get to

level 11 to get level one in everything. Exactly.

And I mean, there are so many reasons why, because

I can hear right now the listeners like yelling

at their computers going, wait, no, no, no, no,

no, you can't do that. You can't be a paladin

and a rogue. And then like, you're right, you

can't do that. He does it anyways. Exactly. So

when he gets to that level 11, when he's won

in every way, will he be uber or just level 1?

You're assuming he lives that long? Wow. And

here I was going to say you wouldn't believe

when he gets to 3 11ths. Spoiler! Oh my god,

Mike, this podcast is going to be huge. Uh -huh.

It kind of is. Danielle, what is your favorite

part about doing this so far? I am the only person

other than Terrell that knows the story to the

end. Okay. And so I have a unique reading of

things because, I mean, I read the comic like

everybody else. When a new page comes up, I go

in and I take a look because the way Terrell

tells me the story I see it in my head and then

I look at the computer and I see it on screen

with you know um all the the movements and camera

angles and and then all the colors and stuff

and I used to color uh before Cheyenne and um

so it would be really interesting because I would

get to sort of see it as it progressed and and

now because Cheyenne's doing the coloring I read

it like everybody else and it's it's fascinating

because I have understandings of What came before

and what's coming ahead while I'm reading every

page and it's it's a fascinating perspective

So yeah So she likes being God Well, it's like

a spectator of God though So you're so you're

so you're limetitron Alan Rickman would be proud

Yeah, I get to I get to see it all as it goes

but I don't actually influence it Cool cool All

right What So if So there are good I almost called

it gremlins. Wow, they're good Good goblins and

bad goblins, correct? Nuance they're all nuance,

which is what's great. Okay concept. I mean like

The concept behind the story is it's it's how

like every every demographic Sees the other demographic

as evil like the goblins are like Saying that

the adventurers are evil because they come in

and they they wipe us out for XP and they steal

our Little weapons and stuff from the chest and

they move on So we have to fight back and then

we see like, you know the adventurers they're

like well no these goblins are evil because they're

they're You know, yeah. Yeah because I mean Some

of them are that we're going to take over the

world. We're going to do this horrible ritual

thing. And everybody sees everybody else as bad

in some way. It sort of lays out, I hope in a

discreet way, how nasty bigotry can be and how

you can get swept up in this kind of prejudicial

thinking. One of my favorite turns in Goblins,

and spoilers for those of you who have not read

this page seven years ago, but there's this whole

portion where they go to Brass Moon City. And

there's a ranger in that. And one of the things

in fantasy RPGs is that you can, the ranger class

usually can specify a race that it has bonuses

against. within the construct of the game. And

it was so fun because Terrell deconstructed that

and went, why? Why does that class have that

ability to know all of the weaknesses of an individual

monster? And he basically made this ranger, who's

the good guy, He has a basement full of monsters

that he experiments on and that's why he knows

what their weaknesses are and it's hideous and

it's and It's great because it just takes this

the this thing that you take for granted as a

as a fantasy RPG player and it just sort of you

know, it pulls back the covering on it a little

bit and goes, yeah, you know what, let's look

at that from not the most positive point of view

and see what it looks like. It's a beautiful

sequence. Yeah, I mean, the whole series, I mean,

just from the little video that's online for

the Indiegogo, it looks like it's gonna be a

really fun series. And I have never, like, I

think... In the four years I've been reading

comics in general on the regular, because I do

a comic book podcast, I think I've read two different

web comics. Comics in general, as a kid, I was

more cartoon, movie, whatever. And yeah, you

guys will have to send me the link to the website

so I can put it in the post and start checking

it out, because it sounds like something that's

really, really interesting. Oh, stop it. As you

saw from the animatic, what it promises for potential

in animation is so cool, just because, you know,

we can, obviously you can't just port everything

over, you know, from one medium to another, otherwise

then you're Robert Rodriguez doing Sin City.

It's like, yeah, no matter how cinematic a comic

book is, it's still not a movie. Right. So, I

mean, we're going to... Or even Ong Lee's Hulk,

you know, where he was doing the... Crouching

Tiger, Hidden Hulk, yeah, no. Yeah, no, that

was just shades away from Joel Schumacher. Wow.

You leave Batman Forever alone, I will fight

you to the death on that one, Phil. No, you'd

be dead the minute you started. Batman Forever

was not that bad. Batman and Robin, yes. Batman

Forever, not that bad. It killed the franchise.

Batman and Robin killed the franchise. Batman

Forever's the George Clooney one, right? No,

that's Batman and Robin. Batman Forever was Val

Kilmer, Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carrey. Oh, the

one without the skates. Yes. It's still... You

know, that's the one with the nipple armor, right?

No, that's Batman and Robin. That's Batman and

Robin. Batman and Robin is ice to meet you. Mike,

you're the only person left in the world who

knows the distinction between the two. The only

reason why is because I've been in love with

Dr. Chase Meridian since I was 15. Of course.

I'll always regret, I was once at a convention

having a conversation with Miles Tevis who...

Designed the Batman nipple armor and he also

did you know, like he did Like the Tim Curry

Demon from from legend did the Iron Man helmet

like he did lots of me things but and I'm talking

to him about this stuff and I'm thinking of myself

Terrell ask him about the Batman nipple armor.

Just do it. Come on get the Kurt ask him I say

what was the deal with the nipples on the armor

and I was just like I can't do it And so I'll

forever for the rest of my life regret Having

that opportunity and not asking him about the

nipple armor always ask always Always ask about

nipples no matter who you're talking Wow this

turned dark fast And now Danielle, can you bring

us back into the light? She's the darkest of

us all yeah So let's distract ourselves by going

back to the animation that we're doing yes, absolutely

So Yeah, seeing the goblins move in the animatic

for the first time was fascinating because as

much motion as uh you see on the page and as

much as you imagine in your head it's not the

same as seeing the characters move under their

own power so to speak like it's it's quite neat

and hearing voices out loud um when you've just

been imagining those in your head the whole time

too it's uh it's a really interesting shift in

perspective so um people keep asking me well

how did you feel the first time you saw them

move and and and hear them speak and well it's

amazing because you think you know them and you

think they're yours and then somebody else makes

them move and somebody else makes them have a

voice and all of a sudden they're not yours anymore

yeah you know yeah that's interesting that's

because i i find that's one of the really interesting

things about animation itself is you don't have

the kind of ownership that you have in a lot

of other mediums. As a novelist, as a comic book

creator, as an actor, like if you're a live action

actor, it's your face on that character, even

though it's not your words, not your costume,

whatever. But animation is so collaborative.

Yeah, Terrell created this character, he created

this design, but then Billy speaks it. And then,

you know, the animators who are involved in the

movement, because the acting is all of it. It's

what he's saying, how he's saying it, and how

he looks while he's saying it. Like, I always

find that, you know, even though I feel invested

in a character, they're never really mine, you

know? Because every moment is built along with

the other people collaborating on it. It feels

a lot like... Daniel and I were talking about

this. It feels like... like goblins has been

my baby and like it's lived in my house and it

was just interacting with me and now it's grown

up and moved out there and it's got all these

relationships with other people and it's it's

it's you know it's it's still kind of my kid

but now it's got this entire life all its own

and it's doing things not just influenced by

me anymore it's kind of neat fascinating absolutely

because that's what you do when you when you

are a creator of anything you know you put it

out there and you let people look at it, or watch

it, or read it, or listen to it, or whatever,

and they add to it, or some people? Nope. No,

not me. Some people. I will not refuse. Once

we make goblins animated, I will lock it in a

vault until I die. That means he's gonna lock

it in that chest from the 13 ghosts of Scooby

-Doo, everybody. That was another disappointment.

I remember when 13 Ghosts of Scooby -Doo came

out when I was a kid and it was off topic but

I was so excited because I was like here's a

finite story they have to capture the 13 ghosts

what's gonna happen when they capture all 13

and I watched that show it was my favorite show

until I realized they're never gonna catch all

13 ghosts and there's not just 13 it's just once

again I was let down by the the formulaic episodic

like Toy commercials, which is what they were.

Well, you know the the one good thing I'll give

13 ghosts of scooby -doo is Vincent van Gogh

Vincent van Gool I should say I mean come on

it doesn't get much better than that. Oh my god

Like I see that I is is your title officially

90s apologist? No It's 80s apologist get it right.

I'm sorry And I did I did not say 13 ghosts of

Scooby -Doo was good I said the only good thing

about it was Vincent van Gogh as Vincent van

Gool Vincent van Gool's pretty that's pretty

badass But I think that's one of like I remember

in in the 90s when the comic book spawn came

out and that like Blew everything out of the

water it became for for a while them like the

the best -selling comic book in the world like

beat out spider -man superman all that and i

think part of the reason for that um was uh I

mean there's a bunch of reasons but I think one

of those the bigger reasons is every time he

used his his power there was a little counter

on the in the corner of the panel that would

show he has this like it was a number he has

this much power left and after he uses it all

up it's gone forever um so he could do these

amazing things and it was like wow look like

he's he's really op but at the same time look

how much of his power he just used and so it

had this feeling of It's a countdown. It's this

finite thing. And I think people really like

that. I know I did. I like the fact that it gave

you a sense of, I have to see what happens because

this is counting down. This is going badly. It

doesn't feel like it's just going to keep going

forever the same way. And so I think that's an

important part of storytelling is that it's got

this feeling of it's happening. It's going somewhere.

Something's going to happen. There was consequence

all of a sudden Yeah, yeah, cuz once you had

consequence then the real stuff begins, right?

Absolutely. All right What can the listeners

do besides obviously donating to the Indiegogo

like How often should we share how often obviously

it's you know share at least once two three times

three million times a day But like how can people

get involved with this? Besides the donation

thing as far as getting the word out there for

everybody Well, I would say the first thing,

obviously, is donate to the campaign. It doesn't

cost very much. It's a $5 thing. You can give

you the $15 thing, and you can get access to

all the episodes. So it's not much. And it really

does help real art and new material, wow, weird,

actually come out into the world. But if you

can't, absolutely like, share, send. Tell everybody

that you can about it. There's a geek you know

in your life who is interested in comics and

interested in animation. And we need all the

help we can get. And also advice. If you've got,

you know, I just said to our backers, because

we've got 900 backers now. Telling us like here's

a good idea that you guys may not have thought

of have you gone and talked to these people Or

have you gone and done this that's really useful

to us because you know there are only four of

us and and Helping us out with with your ideas

Definitely can help us move the ball and can

help goblins anime to come to life starting discussions

about it online like there's a we've got a forum

goblinsforum .com and where they talk about the

comic and they talk about the animated project

and they talk about whatever else geeky thing

they're doing in their lives but like if you

want to go to talk to people who already know

about it if you're if you don't know about it

yet go there go hang out they're friendly they've

actually invited people they said you know come

and talk to us come and engage in conversation

about this stuff and Like and then like on reddit

or wherever else you hang out online start conversations

about either the project or the the comic and

Just share it that way by engaging with other

people Most importantly ask about the Batman

nipple armor. That's Maybe not every time Not

all the time, no. And I mean, come on, it was

Clooney. Who really wants to know what the hell

happened in those nipples? We can definitively

say there will be no Batman nipple armor in the

animated project. There you go. Have you seen

the Batman, the animated series take on that,

right? It was one of the most brilliant things

that I've ever seen I mean Dini is amazing anyway

But yeah, they had this thing where they basically

had three kids talking about. Oh, yes I remember

that episode. Yeah, and To what he was actually

like and so the first kid says if this is what

that means like and it straight goes into like

straight -out 1960s hands -on hips, you know,

poof, bang, pow, Batman. And then the next one

comes out and he says, no, it's this, and it

goes in a Golden Age Batman, and it's fantastic.

And then the next one comes out and he goes and

then talks about it, and it's straight -out Alan

Moore, you know. Oh, really? Dark Knight Returns.

That was Frank Miller. Dark Knight Returns, Batman.

And then it goes, they walk down the street,

and these little kids pass another little kid,

and he's got a pink feather boa. And they go,

and he says, I know what Batman's really like.

And they say, what? Well, he's got a Batman uniform,

and it's got nipples on it, and the Batmobile.

Balls and everything. And all three kids look

at him and go, whatever, Joel. Yeah, I remember

that one, yeah. The Paldini Batman was, that's

an example of fantastic storytelling. It was

always so good. So iconic. Absolutely. Absolutely.

Alright, so where can people, Danielle had mentioned

the forum, but what is the actual website to

go to? Is it just goblinsanimated .com, or what's

the website? That's our website, goblinsanimated

.com. For the Indiegogo, where you can find all

the news that fits print, you can go to IGG,

like Indiegogo, igg .me slash at slash goblinsanimated.

And that'll get you straight to our URL, and

you'll be able to help us out. Yeah, right to

the campaign page. Very cool, very cool. And

I will have the campaign page and the website

and all that stuff in the interview post as well.

Great. Absolutely. Really quickly before we get

out of here, what I was going to bring up earlier.

Terrell, when you were writing these characters

and you guys were getting ready to look for the

voice cast, did you hear a specific voice actor

in your head for each character? Like, how did

the voice cast come about? For the most part,

I never really pictured voices. I don't know.

It's weird. I guess I was picturing my own voice.

But some of them, like, For some reason the one

one goblins big ears I I pictured him with this

sort of softer lower voice like so Matt Mercer

when I Found out Matt Mercer would be voicing

him. I thought that was that's so absolutely

perfect some of them like like Billy West for

for min -max and and like, you know Phil for

for complaints of names. It's they've taken it

and they've made it their own in a way that I

didn't picture. So at first it was like, oh wow,

like that sounds, that's a different take than

what I've pictured. But at this point now, like

when I write the comic, Now I hear their voices,

I hear complaints of names as Phil, and now it

seems odd to picture them as any other way. I

was surprised at how fast their voices became

the definitive voices for the characters in my

head. So I didn't really picture them with specific

voices for the most part before, but now I definitely

do, like Min -Mak sounds, like Billy West and

such. That's so funny. Yeah, finding the voices

in the first place was a really organic process.

It was well I'm Matt. I'm a voice actor. I know

these people. I'm Phil. I know these people and

So we would talk about them and we're like can

seriously can we get that person? I'll just ask

them like it's you can just do that with voice

actors This is their job and if you ask them

to do a thing, they will do a thing and so Yeah,

it was it was not the normal casting process.

It was basically, you know, since Matt and I

are voice actors and we basically are just sort

of, you know, since we're creating this, we're

not doing it that part of it the normal way.

We're just like, we're creating something. We

have a chance to hire our friends, people we

know are amazingly talented, who we love working

with. Let's do that. Yeah, exactly. Awesome,

it's very cool. Very cool. Was there a specific

voice actor that you were surprised said yes

Well for Terrell and myself, absolutely yet every

single person who said yes Yeah, I remember like

like Like we've been talking about this for I

don't know how long as I get it we work on for

like a year and a half or something crazy like

that And I remember thinking like okay, so we

might be able to get these people and I remember

thinking okay great or saying okay great but

thinking this isn't gonna happen and then they're

like okay I'm pretty sure we've got these like

this lineup of amazing people and I'm I said

that's great I'm thinking this isn't gonna happen

and then they said okay so we've got these people

like they're they're they're in we've got them

and I remember thinking holy crap all those famous

people they're gonna be so mad at me when this

doesn't happen No. Wow. Alright, so as of...

I love that Phil sees the world that way. It's

like, actors are mad because they didn't get

a job. That's Chris Rock's point of view. We're

happy to be wanted, Darryl. uh... as of this

moment the campaign has reached thirty four percent

of the two hundred forty eight thousand dollar

goal yes so please folks go check this out go

look at the animatic video go read the descriptions

look at the characters look at the voice actors

all that stuff look at the tears that you can

donate for What's so cool about it? I'm pretty

sure Kickstarter does this but I don't know what

Indiegogo like every higher tier you automatically

get the previous tier Package included this is

structured differently, but the thing with this

one is you can get different ones So if you see

something in one You know what a perk on one

level that you want and then you see a perk on

another level You can get both of them both like

with yeah, so yeah, that's the benefit of Indiegogo

Very cool. Very cool Um, so as, as they were

saying earlier, folks, you can pay as little

as $5 and as high as like $2 ,000. You know,

you can pay whatever you want. Yeah. A replica

Axe of Prisan, you can pay 10 grand. There's

a couple of those going out in the world. People

actually did that. They're like, that's amazing.

I want one of those so badly though. but uh...

you did uh... all the sorts for uh... parts of

the caribbean and for uh... work at their work

at warcraft and what else he did uh... all sorts

for uh... last samurai is amazing swordsman and

uh... he's he's he's making the act for us very

cool very cool quite cool one last thing and

i don't know if this is possible because like

i said i have not read the comics you guys can

let me know Matt and Phil, can your characters

have a conversation really quickly? Phil, I think

Goblins Animated is the best in the entire world!

Don't you think everyone should do it? Fumbles,

why are you calling me Phil? Have you forgotten

my name? It was on the paper in front of me and

I was just looking at it and I rolled a 1, I'm

sorry! It happens every single time! This campaign

is the best thing ever let's go You've created

a monster Several yes several Alright folks as

I said you can catch goblins animated on the

website and on the On the Indiegogo page, all

the links will be in our episode post for this

interview. Matt, where can the people interact

with you online? Twitter, wherever you want to.

Twitter, at madking. You can also check me out

on matyanking .com or find us on goblinsanimated

.com and check out again our Goblins Indiegogo

at igg .me slash at slash goblinsanimated. Cool.

What about you, Terrell? On Twitter, it's at

thunt underscore goblins. T -H -U -N -T underscore

goblins. And that's it. If you just sort of want

to like... poke your nose in and see what the

comic is like you can uh scroll through my my

twitter feed and every day we're posting uh what

we're calling goblins moments and it's just basically

like little snippets like a half a page or so

of the comic to just it's designed to let you

know this is kind of what to expect from it so

if you want to just go there and scroll down

you can take a quick look at them and those are

also on the instagram i think guys yeah yeah

they're popping up every day cool cool what about

you daniel I'm on Twitter as at dragon turtle

creatures as they sound And I hang out in the

goblins forum as well. So if you want to have

Little short conversations with me find me on

Twitter and if you want to have longer ones find

me on the forum cool awesome and You know, mr.

Illustrious over there. We all know what his

Twitter is and philomar .com and on instagram

at goblinsanimated. absolutely so check out goblinsanimated

folks and once this thing gets funded we'll probably

have these guys back on to talk about the fact

that it got funded and that it is coming so absolutely

so i will ask them to hold the line and for all

you other listeners thank you for checking this

out unleash the geek in you and we will Catch

you next time here on GeekCast Radio Presents.

Mega trailer sort of yeah a pilot presentation

that we can show to producers studios Whoever

so they can get a sense of what a goblins animated

show would really look like I've been reading

goblins for ten years and I've fallen absolutely

in love with the heart the adventure the violence

the wonder and Absolutely the feels and I passed

around to other people just because I love it

so much Yeah, he hit me to it and you guys are

gonna love it just as much as we do Tara Why

you tell them what it's all about? Hi, I'm Terrell

Hunt. I'm the creator of the webcomic Goblins.

Goblins takes place in a fantasy role -playing

game from the point of view of the monsters and

how they have to deal with the attacking adventurers

and heroes. If we were to just show people the

comic on the web or on paper, they wouldn't really

get it. We want to be able to bring it to life,

and we've got a really amazing set of actors

to help us do that. Why don't you check them

out? Hi, this is Billy West. And I'm going to

be playing Min -Max in a new show, Goblins. Get

behind it. Real mature. Hello out there. Jim

Cummings here. And I play Facko in Goblins and

accept no substitutes. Are you sure this is a

good idea? Hello, Jennifer Hale. And thank you

for supporting Goblins, because it's awesome.

Hi, my name is Matthew Mercer. I'm a voice actor,

and I play the role of Big Ears. And please,

help this ridiculous, amazing story come to fruition.

Hi, I'm Maurice LaMarche. And I'm going to be

playing Fort Gaff in Goblins. I'm Steve Bloom.

You may know me as Spike Spiegel from Cowboy

Bebop, Wolverine, or Zebralios from Star Wars

Rebels. And I'm going to be playing the main

villain in Goblins. Hi, I'm Tara Strong. And

I'm super excited to be playing Saves the Fox,

so help us make Goblins come true. Not only that,

but I'm going to be playing Complains of Names.

That's a common pre -battle exclamation, you

pinkish wall of flesh. And I'm going to be playing

Fumbles. Senor Four Bull Kid Esso! So please,

we know you're going to love Goblins as much

as we do. So take a look at the page. Pick a

perk and help us get this thing done. Thank you

so much. Thanks for your support. Thank you for

supporting Goblins.