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Hitchcock Retrospective – Shadow of a Doubt Review

About this Episode
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217 of the cinema geeks I am one of your cinema
geeks optimist solo and joining me as Always
is the comic concierge. Hello, Dan. Hey, how's
it going? It's going well. We're into I guess
the summer months in Florida and that means it's
hot so I Tried to mow the yard the other day
and got about halfway through mowing the yard
and like trimming and Weed whacking or whatever
you want to call it in Florida. I have found
is like a three day process you can do like half
of your yard one day half of your yard the other
day and then you can trim a completely separate
day but doing them on the same day is not ideal
the only benefit i have is when i'm done and
there's sweat pouring out of every pore in my
body i can just belly flop into our pool and
it's like the most satisfying thing you would
like on the planet so that's that's good i guess
and i look around at all the the people that
are much more well off than than we are that
have people that come and do all of that stuff.
And I'm like clinging to like the fact that I
still mow my own yard and hold out as long as
possible. Yeah. So anything new? The kids were
just about done with school, I would imagine.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, near the end of that. And
I'm in Maryland. So it's not as hot as Florida,
but it's It's stickier, you know, Maryland is,
you know, it's the, basically most of it used
to be a swamp. So it's, it's like walking, you
know, when it's midsummer, it's a, like walking
around microwave cobwebs. Cause it's just like,
you're always feeling gross. So yeah, I can imagine.
Baseball season is in full swing. I only bring
that up because I had predicted that your Baltimore
Orioles would be much better than they are. Currently,
oh there's baseball season this year So the Cubs
however, which is my team are actually doing
pretty fantastic So I guess we'll ride that wave
as long as we can See where that's going. I think
I think the NBA finals are happening So it's
a lot of sports stuff happening right now, but
we're not here to talk about sports We're here
to talk about movies and like we've done for
the last what 12 or 13 episodes. Let's see This
has got to be episode 13 in this series, I believe,
of our Alfred Hitchcock retrospective. We are
moving on. We did Rebecca and Suspicion were
the last two that we did in kind of our bonus
territory of the, as we decided to extend this
filmography look. And now we're into 1943's Shadow
of a Doubt. Before I go over Some of the information
about the movie just to reiterate what we talked
about at the end of last episode Dan Neither
one of us has seen this and you have no knowledge
of what the movie was going into it, right? Yeah,
I knew nothing about it going in I never watched
it before so completely fresh for me. All right
so this is a American psychological thriller
film noir if you want to believe the All the
descriptives that Wikipedia gives it I should
definitely find a different source that like
narrows that down because I feel like sometimes
they just like throw as many genres and subgenres
as possible but this is obviously directed by
Alfred Hitchcock starring Teresa Wright and Joseph
Cotton among some other folks this came out like
I said 1943 and this is about a small town I
guess you would call it a small town outside
of New No, they started in New Jersey. They end
up in Santa Rosa, California. And this movie
is kind of depicting that town of Santa Rosa
and definitely a more of a Andy Griffith style
town, you know, a small town situation where
they're going to look at that a little bit. And
we're going to follow the tale of two Charlie's.
We have a uncle Charlie, who's obviously an older,
not older, but like a middle aged gentleman.
And then we have a younger female. Charlie, who
is his niece, to try to make that as confusing
as possible as we talk through this and probably
use the word Charlie as many times as they did
in the movie, which I think was like 171 I saw
somewhere. So this was released in January of
1943. It had 108 minute runtime. The reason this
one made it into our bonus coverage was a couple
of different reasons. Number one, this is one
of those rare films that actually has a 100 percent
on Rotten Tomatoes. So that was interesting or
intriguing, I guess, as far as that goes. And
then it also had one Academy Award nomination
and it showed up on almost all the different
lists I looked at. It was ranked number nine
by independent, ranker Den of Geek, number eight
by IndieWire, number five by Taste of Cinema
and number 11 on the screen rant list. And also
this was said to be Alfred Hitchcock's favorite
film. So we thought If it's his favorite film,
if it's a hundred percent in Rotten Tomatoes,
if everything that is written about this film
seems like it's positive, we should probably
take a look at Shadow of a Doubt. So with all
of that lofty expectation and kind of rhetoric
around this film, Dan, what was your take? And
I cannot wait to get into this because I think
this is going to be the one. But what was your
take on Shadow of a Doubt? It's interesting watching
this after suspicion, because there's a lot of
similarities with These two films obviously suspicion
The big difference is with that. We don't know
the answer, you know, it's all about This fear
of guilt of the sphere of understanding like
what is this person doing? Are there sinister
actions and seeing of those? Be discovered cuz
like you know, that's where the suspense is coming
from here It's the opposite where we we know
more more than most of the characters. We know
this guy is guilty we know he is certainly running
from doing some awful things. And of course now
he is within this family that seems like it is
like the picture perfect type of household. Like
you mentioned, Andy Griffith, it's a good comparison.
You know, this is in the forties. It seems like
it's kind of representing the ideal of what the
American family could look like. But underneath
you have this ugly underbelly that is potentially
Going to rise up and destroy it from within which
is interesting comparing considering this is
coming out in 1943 and during you know, the I
don't say height of war war two, but certainly
that's in the background. We see it a little
bit Uh throughout and I didn't know all the praise
of this going into it Like I knew I know like
some of it like I knew like obviously it's his
cock film. It's obviously praise, but I wasn't
sure where it felt on the pantheon of movies
and I think there's a lot I really like about
this but I don't like you mentioned it being
his favorite film uh you know some people rank
it near the top I felt like I wasn't I didn't
have as much suspense with this compared to that
of what we just went through with suspicion and
I was trying to figure out like why that is exactly
like there's I see so much praise for this film
as I after I watched it to see like, you know,
there's there's a lot of admiration here and
especially for the actors and like how well it's
put together and I think certainly I do like
the disposition of like this idyllic household
and Seeing that kind of crumble because you know,
it's it's kind of a facade and see that going
through but I think it also has similar issues
to like The what we had with grope where you
have like just a lot of like the parade characters
that were hard to invest in This at least we
had the the girl Charlie who obviously was like
the innocent the the person trying to figure
it out but I I don't know like it I struggled
at times like I wasn't as You know, like this
is a movie that is a thriller at heart and really
until There are some moments that worked for
me. There are some I think some brilliant moments
from Joseph Cotton Like there's a moment where
he talks about kind of his hatred of women which
I thought was like rather chilling and like it's
like wow He must go for Chan message boards because
it seems very similar to that but as an overall
like Clearly a well -made film, but if I'm comparing
it to what we say before I don't like it's not
my favorite Hitchcock film I don't I didn't walk
away from it as With this admiration I had for
some of the other films we've done so far so
I guess I'm a little bit more in the middle with
it compared to You know some of the other films
we've reviewed Dan how long do you think do you
have any clue of like the first year that we
reviewed a movie together? Oh Man I want to say
20 2011 2010 so it's I mean we're we have to
be getting close to 15 years like Yes, there's
been breaks and there's been years whether we've
covered more films than not and maybe some years
that we didn't cover any films. But I feel like
we've been reviewing films or talking about films
for a long time. And you have a I feel like you
definitely have a good sense of the types of
films I go for and things of that nature. And
I have a little bit of, you know, obviously a
sense of what you like and stuff like that. And
when you're going through an older filmography
like Alfred Hitchcock filmography, that's, you
know, we're going from the 1930s into the mostly
the 40s 50s and 60s it's a little bit different
because it's not something modern and it's not
something that relates to like some of the stuff
that you're covering when you're trying to cover
all new films like we did for many years so it's
a little bit harder to predict and every time
I feel like we're we finally approached one where
we're gonna have like completely different opinions
on it I let you go first and you shock me because
we're almost always in lockstep like there's
some films that you've clearly liked a little
like a different maybe a little bit better or
Some films that you've not liked quite as much,
but I don't I feel like it's just like Degrees
at that point. It's not like you loved a film
and I hated a film type thing And I just find
that kind of interesting I thought for sure that
this one might be the one that we we differ on
but it's not sounding like it's gonna be that
way I have a lot of problems with this film.
I do, like you said, let's start with the positives.
I do think that the idyllic American town slash
American family is definitely well depicted.
And I think it's a good job by whether it be
the screenwriter or Hitchcock in the direction
and whatever, setting that up and really showing
us how that looked. in a way that seemed sincere
and authentic and still was kind of like a time
capsule of a certain time and place. And so I
really enjoyed that. I also come from a very
small town. Like we didn't have stoplights in
my town. My graduating class was like 60. I was
like in the most Caucasian part of a state that
you could possibly be in and just didn't have
a lot of diversity of raised cultures or anything
so like I can relate to some of what we're seeing
in this film and I think they do a very good
job of depicting that. I think we do get some
good performances from the cast and I do really
love a couple of the supporting characters and
before I get into overall thoughts I do want
to correct myself because last episode I looked
at the cast list and I basically said like there's
nobody I know in this cast and there's nobody
that I recognize there's no names that are recognized
so I'm not only going into it blind from a plot
standpoint but I'm also going into it blind from
any expectations from the actors and actresses
and I just didn't realize that I just didn't
recognize some of their names but I definitely
recognize some of their faces as far as what
they've been in like Teresa Wright who plays
the the younger Charlie I mean she's coming off
of three Academy Award nomination films in a
row right before this so if you've seen stuff
like I've seen her in like the Pride of the Yankees
was the one that I most remember I haven't I
don't think I've seen Mrs. Miniver or the Little
Foxes but she was obviously very well received
coming into this film Joseph Cotton who was a
little bit more known by the time this film came
it came out was clearly in Citizen Kane so I
feel bad that I didn't recognize that from the
get -go. And I believe Hume Cronin was a name
that I just didn't see the first time going through
the cast. This is his first film, and that's
a name that I recognize. He did a lot of stuff
in TV and films afterwards. So there's definitely...
Oh, and the angel from... What's the Christmas
movie that has the guardian angel? Wonderful
Life? Yes, it's A Wonderful Life. The dad is
the guardian angel from A Wonderful Life, I'm
pretty sure. Um, so there was some people that
have definitely done some stuff. This isn't like
a, I didn't want to come across as I was saying,
like it's a bunch of nobodies or people that
nobody knows. Like I was just ignorant to the
names on the list. So I did want to point that
out. But overall, I think you, you nailed it
on the head when, and I don't know if it was
just like unfortunate that we, in a way that
we watched this right after suspicion. Because
I definitely do just like, you see a lot of the
parallels between these two films and it's tough.
coming off of that one to see this one where
I feel like a lot of the things were done better
in suspicion. And I know some of that is just
how it's set up. Like you said, in suspicion,
we're not sure, right? Like we're playing the
we're walking the line of not knowing if Cary
Grant's just coming across as somewhat despicable
or if he actually is despicable. And if he is
like, what level is it? Is it just kind of like
some juvenile or like meathead frat boy type?
Despicable or is he an actual murderer, right?
Like so we're balancing that line a lot with
suspicion and I feel like this one I feel like
it wanted to do that, but it didn't because I
don't know if it was intentional or not Like
rope is different rope. We see the murderer right
or we see the The act right at the beginning
like there's no doubt we know and I'm not sure
if this one was trying to do the same thing where
we know Like you said more than the characters
and we know for sure whether he's guilty or innocent
right from the beginning or if it was trying
to do what suspicion did and then just did a
poor job of it. I'm kind of wrestling with myself
a little bit about that because part of me was
kind of coming out of this one and saying, you
know, Joseph Cotton, as well as he performed
in this and whatnot is not Cary Grant. And what
I mean by that is like Cary Grant because of
his charisma and presence and whatnot, I feel
like was able to pull off the fact that you're
in one seat, like in one second, you're despising
him. But in the next second, you're believing
that somebody could fall for him. And you're
kind of going back and forth because of who he
is as that actor. And through his performance,
I think he's balancing that line in a different
way. And in this one, and it's written that way,
I'm sure, and directed it that way. But Joseph
Cotton is There's no doubt when he's bad and
to what level that he's bad. Like you said the
speech that he gives about women There's a few
physical moments where he's like actually hurting
Hurting the younger Charlie by the way, he grabs
her and things of that nature There's a different
look in his eye that is definitely evil if you
look at the movie poster of this film like it
clearly is showing him as evil in the The shadow
depiction of like what he looks like in the background
So I don't know I so part of me was just thrown
off by that because I was I couldn't determine
if they were Intentionally telling us that he
was bad or if they were trying to balance that
line and just doing a bad job of it You think
they were intentionally letting us know it was
bad Yeah, I think because in the beginning we
see him running away from the police like he
has that little internal monologue where you
know, he's like Saying that like they they don't
have anything on him I think like we know he's
running away from something and when he cuts
out the the article from the newspaper Clearly
they like try to hide what's happening. I think
it's pretty clear like I think you know, we're
supposed to know There's he's like he's he's
this killer. He's who they're looking for you
know his refusal to get pictures taken he would
hate today man cuz like gonna go anyway then
it does like you say kind of go back to that
rope situation then where we're supposed to be
in a suspense that we're the only ones that aren't
in a suspenseful position and to me i don't know
if that works for film like i maybe if it's done
in a certain way but it really takes me out of
the suspense if i know that he's bad from go
and to me there was no doubt in my mind as i'm
watching it that he's bad like i was never questioning
like well maybe it's just something that's being
looked made to look a certain way. And then at
the end of the movie, they're going to like pull
the tablecloth out from, or whatever this phrase
is, pull the rug out from underneath us. And
we're also going to be like, oh, they, they tricked
me and he's not bad. So I just thought it was
very obvious that he was bad. And I don't know
if that helped me. And then the other thing that
was, I feel like was a mistake maybe in the screenplay,
but I don't know how you'd have to completely
rewrite the movie and it'd be a completely different
movie. So I don't know if that would work, but
he is introduced as Uncle Charlie to this family,
right? And we have the young Charlie, who is
his niece. And then she has an additional younger
brother and younger sister, and then her mom
and her dad. So we have a family of five here.
And they definitely depict her as the one that
is very much in favor of her uncle. Like she
is in his camp at the beginning. She, it's like
the uncle that you wish visited more. And when
they finally do like you're jumping up and down
and you're excited or that family member, whatever
that case may be. Like she's definitely. I don't
want to say, I don't want to make it more incestual
than the movie did, but she's, she's like head
over heels about this guy coming to her family.
She feels like her family, like she's bored of,
of Mayberry and she wants something to shake
it up. And I think she sees that as a way. And
then obviously she must have some type of previous
positive experience with him. Yeah. And not saying
that anybody else in the family is not excited.
Obviously the, the mom, uncle Charlie's sister
is excited, but they really play it up with her.
And then I feel like because of that, it's almost
a mistake that she's the one that knows he's
bad first and throughout. majority of at least
the second half of the film because I feel like
it would be much more effective if the family
is the one that is seeing the little seeds of
something or her younger siblings or or the detectives
or somebody and that's trying to convince her
and she can't see it because she's you know so
enamored with this with this relative and that
it takes like some type of dramatic event towards
the end that finally gets her to see the light
or something of that nature and instead they
do the flip and she's the one that knows that
he's bad so it kind of deflates all of that excitement
and it's more about whether she she's going to
tell the family and things of that nature so
that that like part of it for me felt like it
was a miss i don't know like what did you feel
about her being the one that knows Then her relationship
with the rest of her family and her not wanting
to like let anybody know besides herself and
the the powers that be I thought it worked because
to me like the reason why it works is because
she she There's a cure. She has the innocence
to her right where it's like she has this admiration
and also there's also the fear becomes She she
if she does discover that What happens next?
Yes, like you mentioned, there's no suspense
because he's bad. But I guess to me, the question
was, well, what is his level of the privity?
How far will he go to protect himself? Will he
hurt her? And that was a question that was looming.
And then we start to see that, yeah, he will
go that far, when he cuts the step. And that,
to me, became kind of captivating because you
see here go through this System of like, you
know now he's fine and that development Me worked
because it was the other way around too, especially
with like the mom character and the dad I think
I don't know. I don't know how that would lay
out in the sense of them trying to convince her
especially because the mom seemed more Yeah,
I don't think it works with the parents I was
thinking more like the siblings or the detective
or one of her friends or or something like that
I think I just mom's gonna gonna believe him
no matter what I'm almost They had the strongest
connection so Attacking that you know making
making her have to reconcile with that feeling
because it made the most sense that she would
Try to find every way out that it's not true
and then having to deal with it being true like
I thought that was one of the more compelling
parts of the movie and then that's really where
it's it started to pick up with me because it's
you saw that you know once once he realized that
she was no longer trusting him, like he started
to, you know, go out and basically, you know,
kill her too. Cause you saw that, like that it
was almost, almost, it was completely like gone.
Where it lost me a little bit, that was where
we suddenly get this random love story with the
police officer. Like that like felt very tacked
on that kind of goes up and then never really
comes back again. Uh, but I thought like their
dynamic to me was. that was the strongest part
of the film. And that worked for me. Yeah, I
do think their dynamic worked. I just was wondering
if there was a way to get more tension out of
it, because I think the only tension for me comes
towards the end when you're trying to figure
out if is he going to be successful in his attempts
to kill her? First, if he's going to go that
far, and then once he does, like, is she going
to be able to escape these attempts? Is she going
to survive? you know, you're going to get caught.
Like that's where the tension comes in. Like
maybe that last quarter or last third, which
I do think is somewhat effective in the way they
do that. It does beg the question though, because
from like a plot standpoint, like going into
a third act, you typically have like your main
character that has to make a decision on something
like they have to make some sort of decision.
And obviously her decision is whether she tells
her family or tells the police or tells, you
know, everybody else what she has already figured
out. And I feel like it approaches that question
like three or four times and every single time
she's pretty adamant that she's not going to
tell anybody. And she tells him that at least
on three different occasions. And it becomes
questionable why he doesn't just leave. Like,
I feel like at one point she's. You know, he's
tried it multiple times. She's very sincere that
she doesn't want her mom to be, you know, broken
by this. She's not going to tell anybody. And
he has an opportunity to leave and just get away
with it and continue his run. And he decides,
I guess that's kind of going into the psych,
say, psychoticness of his character, because
we're definitely supposed to think he's a, a
psycho, a, you know, a madman that's been afflicted
from a young age, et cetera. So I guess that
goes into like, he has to have some type of power
reason to continue on. and stay there versus
leaving. But just to go back to your detective
situation, I thought that was a problematic scene
as well, because we have like this this montage
of her and the detective going out and. Enjoying
a night or an evening together, even though we're
set up to believe that he's mainly trying to
get information out, but it clearly becomes more
than that. And then like without any sequence
to set it up whatsoever, it just cuts to her.
accusing him of being a detective with like no
reason for that like there's it doesn't show
any like breadcrumb to that it doesn't like set
that up at all like to where she would think
that but she completely comes to that conclusion
out of nowhere out of this montage and then it's
like oh well you're a detective and and now I'm
angry at you and things of that like there was
some weird dynamics between her and the detective
which I forget the character's name but I'm definitely
with you on that what did you think about The
uncle charlie not leaving It's interesting I
felt I did wonder about that. I think part of
it like you said was that element where I think
he liked that conflict like it does seem like
it's something he this was a challenge for him
and that's something he He saw plus. I think
he likes this opportunity that he was in because
he knew that there were some some widows nearby
that he can take advantage of and I think he
felt kind of safe and protected because he can
have this uh you know this idea of a family man
or being a part of this family so i think he
that might be why like i don't know i think it's
a valid point saying like it seems like when
he gets to the point where she knows she's talking
to detectives logically you'd want to step away
but perhaps he also thought if he did go away
then it would become He'd become a bigger suspect
and then we get that little bit where they supposedly
catch somebody. So it's like, okay, no longer.
He's maybe that's, you know, at least some, they
at least did some recognition of it saying, okay,
we, we need something here. And when he's no
longer supposedly, you know, when they catch
the guy they're looking for and he's no longer
having to worry about it. Okay. Maybe that makes
more sense, but yeah, I could understand that
flaw, like where that comes from, but. it's also
definitely a little bit of a time capsule because
you have this situation where there there's one
person that went that ran to the east and one
person that ran to the west and they're trying
to track down both of these individuals and they're
trying to get a picture of him so that they can
then wire the picture to a witness in another
area of the country get confirmation that it's
like it's so like of that time like it's kind
of fun to think about like the logistics of how
things happen prior to the time we live in, where
obviously none of that would have been necessary.
So it's definitely interesting. It's also interesting
that the detectives like their whole game is
to follow him all the way to Santa Rosa, California.
And then instead of just going in like questioning
him or arresting him or anything like they pose
as what was it, a newspaper or magazine? Yeah,
they were doing an article about like the like,
you know, the average American. Yeah. Yeah. So
they're going to like get in the house and take
pictures and then like mysteriously or slickly
take a picture of him. And like, I have never
seen detectives detectives act like the two detectives
in this story, but I guess that's what the plot
needs. Yeah. I mean, they were creative, I guess.
They got the job done. They got the picture.
And then he had the little Slate of hand with
the film, you know, I guess yeah, I do have a
couple other things I know this is like it's
completely nitpicky, but There's a sequence when
he gets to this house I don't know if it's the
first night that they're the first dinner or
the first night that they're together I can't
quite remember but one of the first times that
the he's with his you know reacquainted with
his family and we have like what you mentioned
the newspaper which is on the on the table dad's
newspaper, right and there's an article about
this killer and Uncle Charlie loses his mind
right and he has to do whatever he can to get
this newspaper hidden so he like Tears at it
creates a what did he create a house or a farm
or a barn or something out of it for the kids
which was interesting I was I was there for that.
I was trying to see what he was gonna create
but To me that whole thing Makes zero sense because
there is no picture of him in this newspaper
because nobody has taken a picture That's why
the detectives are here to try to get a picture
of him So there's nothing in this news article
that's gonna implicate him to anybody Like nobody
in that family is gonna read that article and
then look at uncle Charlie and be like Hey, there's
a killer Like he was freaking out for absolutely
no reason which was somewhat problematic to me
because it's a big part of this plot Like they
follow this newspaper for scenes like there's
two or three scenes that include this newspaper.
She goes in to try to find it She has to go to
the library to see what was on it. Like, it's
a big deal, and it made no sense for him to draw
attention to that newspaper whatsoever. He was
not a very slick, psychotic killer. I will say
that much. I think that is part of the guilt
or the fear, though, right? It's where he's worried
what it could lead to, because there is... indication
of a deaf person's on the run he suddenly shows
up and he starts putting all these things in
his head and and even like the opening scene
you could see like he clearly was Paranoid and
you know in the sense of people were after him
because they were actually after him because
he murdered people But I think that I agree like
logically doesn't make sense, but I think for
that character it's mine Yeah, because it as
we in it's a one accuses into Where he is as
a person he he he is super protective of everything
like he is overprotective Yeah, um the point
of where it makes it kind of to his detriment
So I think it was consistent with the character
even if it wasn't logical Yeah, he definitely
wasn't like the he wasn't the slick killer. We'll
say that no He does a number of things that the
slick killer would not do like he gives her a
ring that has the murder victim's initials on
it And I love how they set it up. They're like
What did he say? Oh, there's like a faint inscription
or engraving or something. And then they show
the ring and there's nothing faint about this
inscription. I know they have to do that because
it's the camera and we need to see what it says.
But I was like, my dude, I think you should have
taken a second look at this ring before you gave
it. So he freaks out about the paper. He gives
someone a ring with the initials of the murder
victim. He's not a slick killer. We'll say that
much. He's a downright narcissist in the sense
of like, He does all these things and he wants
to in a way kind of brag about it, but you know
Like he's he wants to show but in the way he
like when he goes into the bank and he's open
with like how much money he's putting in like
he in a way like he certainly Like you said,
he's not slick, but he he he had to me he is
he's he's a stereotypical narcissist where he's
wants wants everyone to see him in a certain
light which I think kind of gets into like why
he hates these widows because Again, it's his
eyes They are where they are because of just
because of who they married and they don't deserve
it and he feels that he does and that's kind
of his I think there was there was a bit of like
In a sense of I think there was some subtlety
there compared to something like rope like bashing
on a movie, but But where there wasn't that that
was kind of lacking for those characters here.
I thought I don't know I did like his character
more as it went through because I agree as some
of those decisions early on seemed a little bit
questionable but as we learned more about him
I thought it all kind of made sense and understanding
of like where he is and just kind of the uh the
odd fellow he turned out to be and I think they
do do a good job I appreciate that they do give
the backstory of him Having the injury as a child
on his I think it was a bike injury or something
like that and obviously this story if you do
the research and look at the trivia like this
is based on a real -life murder and That person
similarly had you know an injury in his youth
and I guess the only thing that is somewhat questionable
about that back So I do like it because it shows
him more as a psychotic individual or a narcissist
or different things like that He's he's clearly
got something wrong from a mental standpoint.
This isn't just someone who's trying to get away
with murder because whatever, like the guy in
rope, for example. But it's not a leisure activity
for him. Right. But I do think like, I guess
you have to then also accept the premise that
he has been removed from this family for quite
some time, because it would be rare for someone
to have that injury as a child, go through the
steps of becoming a psychotic individual and
never have anybody close to him. See anything
that's a little questionable. Yeah, like the
way that this family is just head over heels
about him and inviting him It's not like hey
Uncle Charlie's come in You know if he says anything
funny just ignore it or something like there's
nothing like that It's like this guy is like
the the best family member in the history of
family members And yeah, I don't know He must
have hit it really well for the the rest of his
life prior to this But it's not fair to critique
the movie on that because we don't get to see
what happens, you know prior to the Plus, the
family is a bit weird themselves. You have the
father and the other character that love discussing
murdering each other openly all the time. Which,
by the way, are my two favorite characters in
the film. Yeah, I really thought that was coming
to play more. I was waiting for those mushrooms
to show up someplace. Or them to solve something
or see something. I guess he does help a little
bit, the neighbor does, but I just thought the
dialogue they give those two is hilarious and
what they're kind of going back and forth and
trying to one up each other. The only thing that
was really disturbing to me was how the neighbor
would just show up. like there was just not a
knock there was no doorbell dude was just in
the house with you yeah turn the corner and be
like oh there's there's dude i don't know what
his name was uh neighbor did he have a name what
was his name uh herbie herbie herbie yeah yeah
he was like showing up he was like the uh a bad
sitcom neighbor, but not in the movie, you know,
like that trope, like the Urkel or the, you know,
what was the character's name at Full House that
was just, it was always there. Oh, I know who
you're talking about, Kimmy? Kimmy, yeah. It
was, you know, he was that character, but I guess,
I don't know if you'd say he's annoying, but
he certainly was an odd duck. To me, he was more
like the guy from Home Improved that was on the
other side of the fence, but instead of being
on the other side of the fence, he's in your
house with you without any knowledge of how he
got there. He's just there. Trying to come up
with ways to murder you. I wanted to get your
take on a couple other characters because we
do obviously have the family, which we just talked
about. We have the neighbor, Herbie, which we
just talked about, obviously the detective, which
we've mentioned. We haven't spent a lot of time
on the two siblings and then her classmates slash
friends. And I kept waiting for something to
tie in. those characters more into the story.
So we have her sister and her brother, her brother
likes numbers and counting and doing all that
kind of stuff. And her sister likes reading and
comes across as, you know, fairly intelligent,
that type of thing. But to me, I thought they
were going to like do something so that those
characters became more important to some aspect
of the plot. And the more I like digested after
the fact, I don't know if those characters served
a purpose in this film. Like I feel like outside
of adding to the family dynamic and like the
ideal life that we're portraying here, you could
take the brother and the sister out of this film
and it has no consequence on the film. Unless
I'm just missing something and even more so with
her friends. So they come across like three of
her friends, two of them we find walking together.
a couple different times. And then one of them
is maybe not a friend, but a, a classmate that
serves them in the cafe bar, restaurant, whatever
you want to call it. And they make a point that,
you know, all of these people have relationships
with her and things of that nature. But then
the same situation, like, what was the point
of drawing that connection that they know each
other and that their friends or classmates outside
of just, I guess. Painting a picture of a small
town where everybody knows each other But none
of those four or five characters did anything
for the actual story to me unless I'm missing
something Did you pick up more on something on
on those side characters? I I think one I think
it is part of just showcasing this town understanding
like the community they're seeing because Where
people are at because you obviously have Charlie
that the parsing that you mentioned and then
the person that's working there that you clearly
The different path in life and also to get some
insight and Charlie in like what people view
her as because He says like I never thought I
would see you here. So it's clearly like she's
someone that people view a certain way The younger
daughter like I think she provides some key like
pieces of information about the library and like
just like, you know Where the newspapers are
and I think partially to I think she's there
a little bit for comedic relief But I don't I
don't think their purpose is necessarily more
so for the overall narrative just as you say
more representation of as it was trying to kind
of capture what life like what an average life
was like and in this time in order to set the
stage and what happens then when you take that
average life and you bring in someone who suspected
for murder and giving like What would be the
average family something to relate to maybe putting
in that headspace? But when they're seeing this
they're you know, they're able to maybe try to
partake, you know Have more of a connection to
it because they can see their town their life
and suddenly now there's their their their brother
-in -law, whoever it is Yeah, but like the the
friends and stuff like that. I don't think they're
necessarily You know, like you said, you could
remove them narrative wise. It doesn't change
much I think it's more of a representation of
Like the world building that they're doing. Yeah.
I guess world buildings, they're wrong. But the
picture they're painting, I guess, of the town.
So I think overall, from a positive standpoint,
I like the time capsule of it. I like the way
that they're painting the picture of this town
and then they're bringing something like Uncle
Charlie in to disrupt it. I kind of like that
all as a setting and a setup for it. I did like
the father and the neighbor and kind of their
banter back and forth. I enjoyed that. I do think
the performances are fine between, you know,
especially like you said, the two Charlies, I
think work well off of each other from an acting
standpoint. And he definitely is able to give
like some some psychotic eyes and some things
that definitely worked. The other thing that
I think worked for me was kind of that last little
bit where we get like a series of murder attempts
from him. So we have the stairs. That he's going
to sabotage we have the car in the garage That
he's trying to trap her in and then we have obviously
the the last sequence with the train How did
those three sequences work for the those three
attempts work for you? And was it enough to kind
of give you some suspense at the end and was
there anything else that you were positive on
on this film? I like those scenes. I think like
I said, that's where it started to come together
where it's like, oh, he's willing, he's willing
to go all the way with this. Like he's willing
to take out his knees to protect himself. And
I think it, I really liked that bar scene too,
where you see him kind of confront her. And I
wondered like, is it, are you going to have this
mystery where she's that her finding out is the
climax. But I did like the fact that she, she
learns it and she discovers it. And suddenly
the conflict becomes, does she say anything because
she knows Saying something would destroy your
family like would completely wreck her mom and
it would kind of break Them from the reality
that they know like what it would like so now
she has this skills on top of everything So I
thought that was an intriguing dynamic uh, and
so those scenes did work for me because I think
it It it that's when I really started getting
invested in the film for the most part And I
think the performances overall like like you
mentioned, um, which Joseph Cotton specifically
if that was really good and Trisha Wright of
Claire like who I didn't honestly like the films
that she's known for I have not seen so I have
not a lot of exposure to her but I thought she
played that role really well and I especially
when she starts kind of to take charge and she
you know, she where she tries to turn it a little
bit where she doesn't want to be the victim anymore
and I thought that's something you did not see
all the time and films like during this era,
so That was something a little bit different
that that worked. Yeah, I agree. I think there
was pieces of this film that worked that make
it overall not like something that I would keep
away from. You know, I wouldn't dissuade someone
from watching it. I don't think there's anything
that's terrible about the film necessarily. I
don't think the suspense worked as well for me
for the first. two -thirds probably as I would
have hoped did just because of how it's set up
and I thought there was a little some problematic
things throughout but like overall I think there's
enough to like pick up or something I don't know
how it has a hundred percent like that's a little
bit baffling to me And I don't know how it's
Hitchcock's favorite film. Obviously he knows
more because he's behind the scenes and doing
everything. So maybe it was just about the process
and the different things that kind of played
into that. So I don't know if I'm as high as
everybody else in the world is on this film.
But I don't think it's a terrible film. I did
find a couple of things interesting. Films back
in this day, obviously we don't have TV yet and
we don't have Internet and things of that nature.
So the way that they would. give you another
chance to experience this was they would put
on radio plays and things of that nature. And
I did find it interesting that in one of the
radio plays, they actually had Cary Grant play
the role of Uncle Charlie. So yeah, so and it
was Cary Grant and Betsy Drake apparently played
the other ones. And then most of the other ones,
Joseph Cotton came back to play the the other
character. But Appeared in a bunch of different
radio plays so that people could see it It didn't
get a good reception at first like from a box
office standpoint and a review. I think people
were Somewhat down on it at first, but what it's
gotten from like the modern Day critics and you
know since Rotten Tomatoes and those types of
websites exist has obviously been overall very
positive Was anything else about this film that
you didn't get to touch on yet or something else
that you want to bring up that you either like
to dislike? We didn't mention the the Hitchcock
cameo he is and then he's on the train holding
at first I like he was holding there's you know,
the the Basically holding the entire deck and
and the idea was that he's holding the entire
deck because he's the director I'll be honest
I didn't I thought it was supposed to be like
a joke that he was cheating because he has all
the cards, but it was supposed to be a reference
to it So but yeah, you know that was Uh the one
big cameo and the other hitchcockian pieces.
I don't know like, you know, this one doesn't
have someone's wrongly accused Not necessarily
like I guess it has a little bit of the Is he
guilty? Is he not? I mean they they establish
it right away that he is but at first it is going
to be like From the characters that are in the
film not from our standpoint. They don't know
that he's guilty So I guess that still exists
in some way shape or form in this one Yeah, that's
true And then I guess you have a mom. It's not
the, it's not the main character, like the main
male's mom, but there is a mom involved in like
what her reaction is going to be to all of this.
It's, uh, I don't think it's at all what we've
seen from other depictions of moms throughout
Hitchcock's film. This is a much different, uh,
there's not anything abnormal about the relationship
in this one. I don't think with the mom and any
of the characters just playing a pretty straightforward
standard. You know what I mean, like a small
town mom, so I don't get anything from that.
Did you pick up any other Hitchcockian aspects?
No, that was pretty much it, which is interesting
because you mentioned it being your favorite
film, but a lot of his key, now, trademarks aren't
here. Maybe that's why. I don't know. But yeah,
that's all I found. It is interesting as we're
kind of going through that there seems to be
a lot of pairings that you can do with Hitchcock
films. whether it be, you know what I mean? Like
there's just like certain ones. Like we talked
about the 39 steps and North by Northwest or,
you know, different things that we've kind of
been able to. And it seems like there's a lot
of times there's something that he does earlier
on in his filmography that then he like revisits
in a slightly different way later with maybe
more success. So it's kind of interesting how
he kind of goes back and revisits certain. uh
tropes or certain things that he's tried and
then just kind of does it a little different
or whether he's trying to improve on it or something
but I think it would be interesting once you've
seen them all like how many you can kind of pair
up or match up as it's like well these this is
the early version of this movie later on so yeah
I find that somewhat interesting all right so
that is 1943's Shadow of a Doubt um middling
review I guess but not Not terrible, not probably
going to end up on either one of our top film
of the Hitchcock filmography. I think that's
safe to say for the most part. So next up is
going to be 1944's Lifeboat, which is a limited
setting film that, Dan, you I believe this one
you have seen before. I have seen it was about.
10 years ago, so I don't remember much of it.
But yeah, I have seen this one before. So you're
going to come out come in with at least a little
bit of knowledge or maybe some things will refresh
your memory as you start watching. I have not
seen Lifeboat or know anything about it outside
of. what you've talked about throughout our filmography
episode. So it'll be interesting to get into
Lifeboat from 1944 and see how that kind of compares
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