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hello and welcome to gcr wars episode eleven

the eighties cartoon villains grand finale tournament

of champions and we're going to be crowning the

champion this time around uh... steve why don't

you talk about the voting because part of this

is my fault Well, are you talking about the the

mass shift in one day? The influx, yeah. OK.

Well, I checked the forum one day and it was

kind of slow. I mean, there was maybe like, I

don't know, 30 some people, maybe 40 that had

voted. The grand total of votes at this point

is 130. Now, mind you, at this time. It was Skeletor

at. It was like, I think 16 and Megatron at 17.

It was quite odd to me. I was like, oh, somebody's

actually going to make this a run for the money.

Two days later, there was a call put out and

it happened to be to a Transformer toy reviewer.

Well, he doesn't just review transform I know

but he does but he that's a friend of mine on

But in any case It jumped massively in one direction

Basically now you are at fault now the fans can

be mad at you no because fans that voted yeah

all okay look i'm i'm i'm i'm gonna go through

this i had he just had this i had my friend on

youtube i had him post on his fan page on facebook

i said hey can you post about this blah blah

blah it's the finals you know who really wins

and his his post on facebook reached two thousand

three hundred and ten people okay all he said

was okay guys it's the finals megatron versus

skeletor show the world why megs is the best

So he's kind of a little one -sided. That's his

opinion. But out of that, we got whatever votes

we got. But still, it comes down to the people

that go to the website and click on whatever

name they want to click on. So it's not like

us. It's not like, and Steve can totally do this,

it's not like Steve going to seven different

IP addresses and voting seven different times.

It has nothing to do with that. i only voted

once everyone else only voted once as far as

i know you know so it's like one of those things

where uh... that's the final was the most votes

we ever got right he won thirty yeah it was quite

interesting to say the least do you know what

the total like overall the entire tournament

like between everything what the total votes

was it was now brought to us by fox news The

overall total casted votes between every round,

not breaking it down, total voters, 813 for the

entire tournament. Wow. That's awesome. Not too

shabby. No, not too bad. Not too bad for a first

shot. I will say that this is the most votes

we've had in a round since, I would say, Mumrah

versus Moanstar. and Megatron against Psykill

and Shredder and Tex -Mex. Where they were in

the 70s. Yeah, I would also like to point out

that none of us in round one, well, Birdman didn't

know about it at the time because he didn't know

where to go to vote. birdman doesn't help but

none of us of the rest of us neil myself kevin

or steve voted for skillet or in round one none

of us did none of us dot skillet or could make

it this far everybody thought that hordak was

going to be here or obviously hordak would be

in skillet or so the fact is skillet or is the

ultimate underdog when it comes to this term

and i didn't vote for him in the first round

but i did vote for him in the quarters and in

the semis Alright, shall we just get right to

it Steve? Yes, um the grand total which Honestly,

I didn't see it being that a shocker of who's

going to win. I did see a shock at how wide the

gap was I Knew it was gonna end up this way just

for the fact that I had the art done two weeks

ago Right at the end of, actually before the

end of the previous round, I had that round's

art done and this art's done. So I knew this

was gonna happen. We have Skeletor with a raging

24 votes and Megatron with 106. Wow. Gee, this

wasn't a blowout at all. Fusion Cannon to the

face. Let the hate mail begin. Know what? It's

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.com. So after beating the Fordak, King's Archon,

and Cobra Commander, Skeletor falls prey just

like Psykill, Shredder, and Mumrah to Megatron's

Fusion Cannon. Yes. That's right. They have been

made Megatron's bitch. Dun dun dun. I will point

out though that if this, regardless of the voting,

if this was just us choosing, I would've loved

for this to turn out the other way because one

of my buddies from Radio Free Cybertron, Ender,

he pointed out to me, he commented on the website

and said, Skeletor should win this hands down

because Starscream's just gonna shoot Megatron

in the back. Could see that happening if he was

allowed into the arena Yeah, I mean looking back

at the whole tournament obviously there would

have been some cool matchups that I would have

liked to see I really would have liked to seen

Megatron versus moan star at some point Just

because size wise and body composition. They're

the closest to each other And again, it would

have been cool to somehow see like shredder versus

Skeletor or shredder versus Cobra commander those

have been so i have a risk over commander the

battle of the faithfully yeah that would have

been those have been some at the battles or like

avenger against uh... mom ra or something like

that i mean there there is some cool message

that could happen uh... but i'm not surprised

i see the megatron rated on this part and i a

i wasn't sure if scott or be able to get past

kobra command in the legion of g i joe fans but

you know what we want to know if it's failed

g i joe What's On Joe Mine needs to change its

whole premise and whole project. Those G .I.

Joe fans are fucking dead to me because they

didn't come to Cobra Commander's Aid whatsoever.

I'm sure they will when it comes to, you know,

having, you know, the actual G .I. Joe's. Yeah.

After all, they're not What's On Cobra's Mine.

well still but they like villains just like we

do another thing that my that again enter pointed

out to me he the entire turn because he was paying

attention even though he didn't comment on any

of the posts he was paying attention to it he

told me he was rooting for venger against megatron

in the finals because you'd have peter collins

vs welker that would have been cool and we did

dodge the multiple uh... opportunities for people

to battle themselves as well mainly just chris

lotta though i guess Yeah, yeah. That would have

been funny. Yeah. Before we get to what's happening

next on GCRN Wars, why don't we go around the

table and get final thoughts on this tournament

overall from beginning to end, starting with

the Birdman there. What do you think about this

whole breakdown? I think that some of these were

inevitable. I mean, I kind of wish the tournament

bracket was actually a little bit bigger, just

so we could have got more kind of people in there.

But it... Unfortunately, things like this, it's

going to come down to popularity. I'm not surprised

Cobra Commander made it far. I'm not surprised.

Any of the iconic 80s franchises, not surprised

at all. Some of the other guys, I don't know.

I would have liked to have seen Lex Luthor in

this because he was in the Super Friends. Well,

that will come into play in a future 90s tournament.

Yeah, all right then that I'm fucking totally

on board with like that one. Um, yeah, I don't

know. I mean I had fun Doing this though. I mean

this was it's a pretty cool idea I was actually

saying to Steve before we recorded this if we

could have started this earlier I think we could

have almost done almost two tournaments because

we could have had The a bracket we could have

had like the losers bracket and I kind of wonder

who would have won out of them I'm going corporate

commander person. That's Kev, that's interesting.

We should do that the rest of the year. Actually,

you know what, Mike? Kev, that needs to be the

next tournament, the losers bracket from this.

Well, I mean, we could do that too in the future

when we do other tournaments. We could have a

losers bracket going on at the same time. Just

given that thought, this is how it probably would

have penned down. Depending on how you set it

up and how it goes, on the one side, you'd have

Hordak with a huge advantage, probably end up

going against Venger. and on the other side you'd

have Shredder and Moonstar. The Napa guy knows

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all yours. That's Napa know -how. If it was set

up similar to how this bracket was set up, and

they just kind of advanced instead. So those

would have been some interesting matchups. I

think Moanstar would be tough to beat. He would

eat Shredder! Yeah, he would be tough to beat,

that's for sure. And Hordak would be tough to

beat too, so I don't know how that would have

played out, but yeah. Hordak Avenger I think

would have been a better... First round well,

this is what we discovered when we did when I've

done things like this in the future like I said,

I've done a Transformers tournaments where it's

just all Transformers characters and we Basically

discovered that you have to take out The popularity

factor to a point when we did our transformers

when we immediately eliminated Megatron Optimus

Prime And a couple characters like that so that

it was basically You know the the leaders or

you know any combiners that type of stuff We

we try to level the playing field as much as

possible and that's obviously something that

we will try to do going forward But this was

a pretty level playing field since each person

was you know, the main villain from their cartoon

We weren't doing a tournament within a certain

franchise or universe which may happen in the

future But yet it's a learning process and we

will have tournaments that are more than 16 16

is basically the least amount of participants

we would have But there may be somewhere we have

32 and or 64 I just can't imagine us doing like

a 64 brackets or guys We'd have to do it like

twice a week or something this thing like that

Well, or we just have longer up individual episodes

a little bit But yeah, what any other thoughts

on the tournament overall Mike um I think it

would have been interesting had we maybe thrown

in if each Each challenger could bring in one

friend, so to speak. Like Megatron and Starscreamer,

Megatron and Soundwave, Shrek. That would have

tipped the favor big time to Cobra Commander.

Yeah, but no, he gets one. I know, but he could

have brought Serpentor in. He wouldn't bring

Serpentor. He hates Serpentor. Yeah, but I'm

not saying who he'd want to, but I'm saying if

he's smart, he would bring him in because that

guy is on par with all these guys. Whereas Serpentor

could take out Megatron. No, but I'm saying he

could help him in a lot of different battles.

But he could command. Compared to Skeletor bringing

in Beastman, that's not going to help him much.

Yeah. Well, yeah, well, I guess. That would have

an advantage too. Yeah. Bringing in Krang. So

yeah, I mean, this is thoughts for next year,

but this was fun, though. How about you, Neil?

Thoughts overall on this tournament and how it

played out? I would put like magic on one side

and... tech guys on the other I think that was

suggested on an earlier show but I would have

like if I had to substitute one character I would

have I would have taken sidekill out and I would

have replaced him with retie from Robotech because

retie is the same size as Megatron and he took

on three Valkyries at the same time that's that's

uh that's Jetfire from the Transformers franchise

yeah so that would have been interesting whereas

sidekill was just kind of uh Agree spot after

like three seconds to be one -sided and not to

be you know Give point to Kevin's argument from

last week, but you could have put head Megatron

versus Galvatron Well, and we did have basically

magic against Tech side -by -side the only crossover

there was Mumra being on the one side. Otherwise

it did play out like that Because you had Skeletor

Hordag Kings Archon and venger and all them on

the one side So it was just Mumra really that

could have been switched, I guess, to make that

happen. But yeah, there's definitely a lot of

other interesting choices. I had a villain list

much larger, but some people just don't recognize

some of those old 80s villains as much. I know

some of these guys are even stretches for people.

Such as who? I mean, when anybody from Blackstar,

in my case, I didn't, I don't, I didn't, I never

even saw that cartoon. No, I'm just talking about

like, if you go into like, you know, like Bionic

six or the, you know, some of those other, cartoons

like i have a whole list of uh... eighties heroes

number two i don't know if people recognize this

person that person because there were probably

three or four people that on our bracket out

of our sixteen that people had questions of as

to who they were so i was trying to make sure

that everybody knew who these characters were

so that's something to take into consideration

to as we go forward steve's thoughts uh... i

mean granted i wasn't particularly uh... knowledgeable

in all of the characters but I did give fair

enough of where I thought some of them would

rank despite whether I'd like to character or

not I tried to give them all equal ground the

best I could but I would say that Yes, some of

the characters did get a little shafted because

they weren't very well known and people are going

to go after the ones that are still, for instance,

current with today's media or new versions of

whatever it may be. So I mean, yeah, a lot of

them are going to get shafted in the process.

But I can agree to that. Yeah, some of them are

a little lopsided having tech against magic and

You know early on I think that kind of threw

things off But it's it's definitely a learning

experience for the next one Especially with some

future tournament ideas that we have floating

around in our heads. Yes And there would this

is not going to be something that's just done

nearly Oh, no, this is gonna happen very often

Basically our plan to give you kind of a nutshell

is we will do our regular, if you're used to

our regular wars episodes like when we did Thundercats

versus Silverhawks or Star Wars versus Star Trek.

It's basically almost like a five on five off

type thing where we'll do four or five of those

regular episodes and then we'll throw another

tournament at you, do that for five episodes

and then go back to the regular. So it's going

to be alternating back and forth throughout the

year. So you will see many more tournaments to

come. And we have lots of ideas for them. Yes,

we do And I don't know if we wanted Mike did

you give your final thoughts um overall I'm pretty

happy with it I I'm kind of glad it was magic

versus technology You could almost put any other.

I mean you could have put Skeletor versus monster

you could have put Skeletor versus mum run the

final you could have put Hordak versus was on

the other side, you know what been interesting

because Hordak seems even though I know he's

not human He's more of an alien. You could have

put Hordak Versus miles may have and see what

the hell happens there Not saying that miles

would ever make it to the finals But I'm just

saying like if you ever match those two up that

would have been an interesting But what I think

is as was stated earlier, we started out with

kind of really one -sided, not necessarily because

of popularity or people didn't know them, but

it's like people have this knee -jerk reaction

of whatever they like, not necessarily that it's

popularity, but whatever that they like, of they'll

look at something like Monstar versus Mumrah,

and if it's a Thundercats fan, it doesn't matter

what they think or what they analyze it as, their

first gut reaction is, oh, Mumrah hands down.

And none of us even thought That Mumra would

make it past. Everyone thought that Monstar would

have beaten Mumra. I would say we did a good

job as far as the records of somewhat keeping

our bias in check. Keeping our favorites and

that type of stuff. We somewhat broke it down

and really tried to decide, even if it was someone

we liked, why they would lose or why they would

win. And I did like that as the tournament progressed,

the comments on the website began to give scenarios.

People started coming up with ways this person

would win or ways that person would win. And

that's where the fun really comes in. the discussion

in the comments there where people actually draw

out possible ways that this goes down. And so

hopefully that'll carry over into our next tournament.

We can get that right from round one. I think

it was fun. I think it's a good way to start

this whole thing off. And I'm definitely looking

forward to all the ideas we have. And for anyone

that's complaining or wanting more of a voice,

you will have more of a voice in future tournaments.

And also to tease something that most will not

know about unless they visit the website before

this process, there is now a GCR in forums. Yeah,

so we can have discussions there as well. So

for full -on discussions, instead of just the

episode discussions on the website, you have

both options now. So you can piss and moan in

multi -posting fashion. Yes, exactly So what

are we did we decide what we were gonna do it

next episode Well, we're gonna keep a few things

kind of sealed as far as our regular war episodes

But there are gonna be a couple back going like

I said, we're gonna go back to the standard Just

one thing versus another thing There's gonna

be a variety of topics that we're gonna cover

here before we get to our next tournament but

the big news for Everybody out there that's listening

or that took part in this tournament or has any

interest in these tournaments is the fact that

we are Brace yourself, Mr. Blanchard. We are

releasing control. No, we're not. When it comes

to our next tournament topic. Okay, that's fine.

I don't care. We are taking our grip off of the

thing and we are giving it over to the fans to

decide what our next tournament will be. Well,

technically we choose the top ten options. We

have narrowed it down to ten options and we are

letting the fans vote. And then whatever the

most popular three are is what we will decide

from after that. And are we revealing those ten

choices for them now? Sure, why not? All right,

so Kind of go on the flip side of what we just

did and seems like an obvious choice that some

people might want to now Look at classic 80s

heroes. So that is option number one. We're talking

about you know Optimus Prime and Lionel and your

classic 80s heroes so we can do that and that's

your first option to vote on Now I have a question

about this How are we going to put the turtles

in there? That's something that will be decided

later. We're talking about He -Man, Optimus Prime,

Duke, Quicksilver, Brave Star, all those guys.

That's what the tournament would be if you want

to go with that option. The second option would

be a Marvel DC hero tournament. That would be

all your heroes, your main heroes from Marvel

and DC comics. Your third choice would be the

flip side of that, Marvel and DC villains. So

we're doing a lot of heroes and villains in this

first half of your choices next up. You could

choose Disney villains We're talking about Ursula

Cruella de Vil Jafar scar captain hook those

types of characters all in a battle royale On

the flip side, I'm sorry. Hold on stop stop one

second stop Defar and Maleficent in the finals,

they kiss and get her pregnant. Why would you

suggest that? My mind just went to bad places.

I'm glad my mind's blank. So anyway, so let me

get back on track here. So we have 80s heroes,

we have the Marvel DC heroes, we have the Marvel

DC villains, we have Disney villains. Flip that

around, we have Disney heroes. So your first

five are all villains and heroes. Disney heroes,

obviously we're talking about all the flip side,

you know, Aladdin and Ariel and stuff like that.

Alright, once you get past all those villains

and heroes, your other five options are we're

doing action stars. We're talking about freaking

Chuck Norris and Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jean

-Claude Van Damme. All those guys going at it

in a tournament of who is the baddest badass.

So that's your sixth choice. Now we're gonna

get crazy. I love this one. I hope it gets votes.

Seventh choice is food mascots. We're talking

tricks the rabbit against kool -aid man against

tony the tiger Against chester cheetah against

captain crunch And these guys are gonna fight.

Yes. Yes, it's a battle royale I would love to

see somebody take like sprites of these and have

them in a and replace them in a battle game So

this would basically be this would for sure be

a 32 tournament because I have at least 32 of

them already Alright, after that, we have an

option for Looney Tunes characters. So we're

talking about Daffy Duck going against Elmer

Fudd, Simi Sam, Bugs Bunny, all of them. That

would be a 16 -man tournament. And then your

other options here are Nintendo icons. Talking

Pac -Man against Mega Man, against Mario, against

Sonic, Kirby, all those guys. Sonic is not Nintendo.

Well, technically he's third party independent,

but I can get into that in more detail. That

type of stuff. Anyways, that's the type. I don't

think that one was just Nintendo. It was more

video game icon. And then the last one is an

epic franchise throwdown where we just have franchises

going against each other. Obviously, this is

not more like a battle one -on -one type thing.

This is just which franchise is better type thing.

So we're talking Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of

the Rings, Doctor Who, James Bond, stuff like

that. Going against Joe that was a little trickier

a little bit more abstract, but those are your

ten options for what our next tournament would

be. Thoughts going around the table? Campaign

for which one you want there, Birdman. I would

do Marvel versus DC. However, you're going to

have to put a lot of caveats on it because different

power levels at different eras and who's writing

animated or comic book only. Yeah, there's a

lot of these I'm actually totally down for. So

definitely keep me interested. I like the 80s

heroes. I got a few suggestions I'd like to throw

in. Captain Power. Stuff like that, yeah. That.

He ain't popular. You are fired. You can't fire

me from a network I fucking created or helped

create. Yeah, there's a lot here. How does She

-Ra stack up with those 80s heroes? They would

gang rape her, probably. That's terrible. You

should never say that again. You just went there.

Anyway, enough about rape culture. Yeah, there's

a lot of really cool things. The video game one...

I have to be a part of that one, for sure. I

am surrounded by 4 ,000 games at the current

moment, so I might know a thing or two. So yeah,

like I said, there's a lot of really cool ideas

there. I'd almost like to see a battle of just

armies. And what I mean by that, like foot soldiers

versus Cobra Commandos, and the Daleks versus

the Borg, there's all sorts of really weird shit

like that. Yeah, that would definitely be an

interesting alien race type. or or is that just

armies classic arms i i myself and most excited

i mean i was a series of people i love the is

one of them i think for some reason the food

mascots would be funny uh... yes and i i really

kind of think the idea of a disney villain turned

out to be cool uh... i think that the next two

tournaments should be something completely different

from what we did this time so say because the

way the tournaments are going to play out is

uh... the next will be episodes fifteen to twenty

of the broadcast say we did the food mascots

there and then later we did the disney villains

and it is easier i understand that but i'm just

saying that still cannot release control i can

give my damn opinion if i want but i'm saying

is i want the listeners to keep in mind that

we want to do something completely different

from what we just did if we end up doing eighties

heroes It's going to be the same thing. It's

going to be, oh, hey, who do I know that's popular?

So take out the popular people then. Steve, what

are your thoughts on some of these potential

possibilities for our audience? Really, I could

go any way with any of them. I mean, I'm excited

to see which one gets chose by the listeners.

I mean, I'll be fine if they decide to choose

80s again or if they... Choose the action stars

of the I think the food one the food mascots

would be the most interesting There's no Megatron

in there, you know, there's no powers. It's just

it's it's you know, whatever their their commercial

happens to be I mean, that's just I mean, you're

not even fighting whether you like the serial

or not. You're fighting over, you know their

their actions that you see them doing when they're

animated I am taking the odds on the Kuwait man,

though i'm just saying here on the bus through

the wall so i'm going to have to add chester

cheetah because he can summon objects out of

midair that's true that the slapping machine

i remember in the old days of yahoo messenger

yahoo chat they used to be an emoticon that said

hey kool -aid and slammed into the brick wall

neil what are your thoughts on some of these

possibilities i'm i'm digging the the food mascot

to the first thing that came to mind was uh...

Twinkie the kid taking on like the hamburger

helper glove. Oh, that would be hilarious. I

just want to see Count Chalky go go into Frankenberry.

no i want to see count chocula go against uh...

sunny you could do one that's just all serial

for crying out yeah it almost it almost turns

out to be uh... with a couple other crazy ones

thrown in that i don't want to reveal all the

ideas because i want there to be some surprises

when the actual brackets get revealed uh... but

but i i think that would be cool any other ones

that kind of caught your eye there neil uh...

video games yeah the video oh god i love video

games yeah Although I would be the dork suggesting

all the obscure characters. I would get bored

with Mario and Sonic. But I could play along

with that. Yeah, that would be great. If you

had Mario versus Link, that would be interesting.

Well, we have Super Smash Bros. Brawl for that.

Well, yeah, but... You gotta bring the noise

with like Cloud from Final Fantasy versus like

Commander Shepard or some shit like that. Yeah,

that would have to be a decision that would be

made if you're going more of the kid -friendly

characters or if you're actually bringing in

real, like, fighting - Kratos, the god of war!

That would be unfair. See, I'd want to bring

in Bomberman. There you go. Mega Man, bitch.

God, that's - we could do that. We could have

all the Mega Man villain tournament. We could

have the Mega Man villain tournament, just have

all the villains go against each other. Anyone

else have any thoughts before we move on? I like

puppies. I like puppies. That's cool. I thought

we were talking about cats before. Hey, hey,

hey! Idea, idea! Wait, wait, wait. Mike's got

an idea. What's your idea? What about the cutest

80s starlets? We did have a lot of different

ideas. I had ideas for fictional, like all fictional

cats or fictional dogs or like sidekicks. Like,

you know, your annoying little sidekick on every

cartoon. Like I'm thinking you you take people

like say like look at all the really cute scream

queens for me Look at all the really cute action

ladies for geek the like a geek babe tournament

totally down for that man So that may be something

we explore in a future tournament as well Steve

can you give them any information as far as what

they're doing as far as where they go to? to

vote on this For one, I will be posting this

in the sidebar on the main website. It will also

be in the Champions location on the 80s Villains

Wars Tournament bar at the very top. I will leave

that up there until we figure out what our next

tournament is. So that will be basically the

rotating bar for the tournaments. It will be

under the Champ button. I will also have it,

like I said, in the side menu. along with our

new GCRN forums button. So just look for those

and also we can continue the debate on why we

should have certain ones within the forum. Excellent.

That's gonna do it for this episode of GCN Wars.

You'll have to tune in next time to see what

our next ultimate battle royale will be. Because

apparently none of us can agree on a friggin'

topic. So for now, I am TF2 and Mike with...

Give you a switch for Neil. Mike the Birdman

Dodd! Oh fuck! Sorry! Oh fuck! Dodd, Neil, Kevin,

Steve. Why do we always do this and there's never

a fucking order? For now, I am TF2 and Mike with...

Spaghettios! TV's Mr. Neal? I'll try solo. Kermit

the Frog! Hi -ho! Hi -ro! We'll catch you next

time. Unleash the geek in you. Maybe! They've

got big fucking tacos?! Whoops, sorry. I got

excited, sorry. But this time I shall not be

denied! Now, Decepticons, each of you must contribute

a Power Chip Rectifier to the Exchange Furnace.

But I need my Power Chip Rectifier. Besides,

the Cybertron Code of Combat requires each warrior

to fight as he is, without additional reinforcement.

You wouldn't want to cheat, would you, Megatron?

I will win by any means, at any cost! Even if

it means terminating you, Starscream! I was only

raising a legal point. I am not concerned with

difficulties. Only victory interests me. You've

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