The Flintstones vs. The Jetsons

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are going to be ending the age -old argument

of which series is better the Flintstones or

the Jetsons So how is this gonna work? Oh stop

acting like a retard I'm just kidding. We're

back. We're better than ever. It's uh, it's basically

our debate show and we're gonna break it down

We picked two topics today that are obviously

somewhat similar with the Jetsons and the Flintstones

and we've broken it down into 20 different categories

and we are going to be comparing them and voting

or picking what we like best as far as which

show has the better this or which show has the

better that and at the end of the show we'll

have a final tally and we will end the debate

on which show is better Jetsons or Flintstones

and if all goes well you can expect many more

episodes like this in the future. Yeah, the last

the only episode of this podcast that we had

ever done. It was me Steve and Brian Steve's

brother We talked about horrible government and

bad health care horrors Yes, and this is probably

the one podcast in the entire network that we

have just completely let go But not anymore We're

finding the best geek debate topics out there

and we're gonna battle it out. Yeah so or die

trying so So let the games begin the first topic

is the show logo which show has the better logo

I like them both actually the cannibals do wait

us it on that fence sir This is probably the

one debate that the entire thing I'm gonna be

on the fence about, because I like both of these

cartoons equally. I never... We're gonna shove

one of those fence poles up your ass. Shut up,

pop -asshole. Keep going. So, um... You know,

I like them both. What about you, Steve? I like

them both, but I... Man, it's gonna be tough.

I have to admit it's going to be tough deciding

which one This discussion will have to kind of

sway me I I do like them both but for some reason

for me what really gets me is The fact that to

me the Jetsons looks more like a logo whereas

the Flintstones looks like a Scene with the low

with the title imposed on top of it I know they're

very similar logos. I mean, obviously you have

both families in their vehicles in their somewhat

in their environments I mean in the Flintstones

you have the car going down the road in the Jetsons

You have the the space car, you know going through

the air I like the air or the space on the Jetsons

one and I like the the font and the big lettering

of the of the Jetsons title To me, it just looks

like more like a logo than the Flintstones ones.

I'm not saying that either one's bad But to me,

it just looks like the Flintstones grabbed a

screen cap and then threw the title on top of

it Yeah, so my vote is for the Jetsons But I

I can see either one being picked by both of

you Yeah, I like the blue in the Jetsons the

blue like kind of different shades of blue and

the way it kind of Not really swirls, but the

way it kind of flies in there to the title. I

don't know I honestly think that You're right.

Somebody just threw the Flintstones title Over

a screen cap because I It looks almost like it's

3d over top like they just put another slide

over top of it correct me if I'm wrong I don't

ever remember seeing the title the Flintstones

in the opening sequence I Would have to go back

and investigate you just watched like 20 fucking

episodes. I didn't look for the word. I'm sorry

No, no, no. What I'm saying is if you look at

the logo that we have on our documents here,

it says the Flintstones. It has the image. What

I'm saying is I don't ever remember seeing the

Flintstones being on the screen in the opening

title sequence ever. Except for when they got

to the logo, maybe. I don't know. Yeah, I mean,

to me, it looks like the Jetsons one was built

around the words the Jetsons like you had the

Jetsons first and you made the picture around

that whereas the Flintstones you have the picture

and then you put the words after that if that

makes any sense right no yeah that makes sense

that makes sense so all right and what is the

next well you guys have to vote first jackass

we do that's the point I like them both I'm on

the fence no I refuse to choose And we're booting

you off this episode, you have to choose. Just

based on these two images, the Jetsons, if it

was other images, I might have picked the Flintstones,

but just based on the images that we have at

hand here, the Jetsons wins out for me. We have

to choose one, damn it. That's what I said. Otherwise

our booting is going to be completely fucked

because we need a winner in each category. So

what ones did each of you pick? We've both gone

with the Jetsons. It really doesn't matter what

you pick It does if I vote Jetsons because then

we would all be on the same side of the fence

Which would be odd and different at the same

time, I don't know Might be the only time the

three of us ever agree on anything See I have

reasons to be on either side of the fence But

I like futuristic stuff so that's kind of going

to sway me one way Now I am actually watching

on mute I'm watching the the Flintstones intro

the Flintstones opening from the 60s the only

time the actual name the Flintstones ever appears

is The on the mailbox it doesn't have a yeah,

that's the only place that they showed it. I

think yeah It doesn't have so yeah the yeah the

Jetsons image out of the and we'll put these

images in the post for people to see but so far

the Jetsons image wins out because as we said

it just looks like a Really really shitty Photoshop

job on the Flintstones image I'm gonna have to

agree with you guys in the Jetsons. I think we

need to mark this down on the calendars folks

Yes, the GCRN has agreed on something See my

wife likes the Jetsons over the Flintstones,

but we like them both so it's just one that ranks

just a notch higher than the other Makes sense.

Yeah, so as for the the show logos, I definitely

have to go with the Jetsons Yep. Alright, so

Jetsons wins show logo and next up we're gonna

actually give you guys a listen to what we're

gonna be talking about. Which is the theme songs.

First up is the Flintstones, then is the Jetsons.

Jetson So Kevin, why don't you do an acapella

version of these theme songs for us? I'll do

the Jetsons if someone wants to do the Flintstones.

The Jetsons is so easy because it's like eight

words. He just introduced all the characters.

I mean, everybody just heard them. If I count

one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight,

nine, ten, eleven words in the Jetsons lyrics,

whereas the Flintstones has like three paragraphs.

So it has it has two two two full stanzas and

then one short stanza, right? And to me the difference

is in the theme songs with these two shows is

the Jetsons is much more of an instrumental theme

Which just obviously introducing the main characters.

Whereas the Flintstones we have an all -out song

And the theme songs based around the words other

than the music like the Jetsons is Which to me

makes the Flintstones a little more catchy Because

you have words that you can remember and you

can sing along to and who doesn't know the Flintstones

theme song Now there was something a few years

back on Boomerang Boomerang and Cartoon Network

run these like little like update type of songs

I put it I put one of them in the original Yogi

Bear episode of Tooncast classic The Cartoon

Network groovies there was They played the Flintstones

theme song, but it was kind of like one of those,

hey kids, let's sing along. And it had the words,

no, it was one of those types where you have

the words at the bottom and the little bouncy

ball goes. I mean, it was like a frigging thing

like that. Yeah. So it was one of those things

where they would show you, it would be the Flintstones

intro, but they would show you the lyrics over

the top. They would also show you trivia bits.

And apparently, according to that trivia song,

the two most lyrics that people don't get in

the song, let's ride with the family down the

street through the courtesy of Fred's two feet.

Most people don't know what that that's the actual

two lyrics that are. I did not know that was

the second line. I knew it was the first one.

Yeah. With the family down the street through

the courtesy of and then it's kind of just like,

but like what? Yeah. But to me, I think if you

like, besides like cartoon buffs and stuff like

that, if you just went to the average person

on the street and you said, sing the Flintstones

theme song or sing the Jetsons theme song, I

think more people would be able to do the Flintstones.

I think you'd get a lot of people with Jetsons

that would be like, that would be like, wait

a second, I remember the show, but what was the

theme song? Whereas the Flintstones, it's just

like, boom, it's like right there, at least for

me. I mean, you guys might have different experiences,

but for me, I can. The Flintstones one's more

catchy to me. What about you Steve? I would have

to say that the Flintstones definitely wins out

as far as theme song just because it sticks in

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good, too, but you know, like you guys said there's

like Not that many words. There's just a lot

of 11. There's 11 words And all it's saying is

meet George his boy his daughter his wife boom.

We're done There's a certain melody to it because

it's like Thing to all of them. So I mean, it's

kind of annoying. Yeah, I mean, it has a stupidity

with it for the Jetsons. Here's another hour.

To me, it's just too much listening to music,

because even between those words, you have to

listen to a big ol' spiel. It's like, meet George

Jetson. And then it's like, da da da da da da.

You know, there's all this other stuff. And then

it's like, his boil. Like, really? That's all

we're getting? Like, you're just naming the characters

here. Where's Mr. Spacely? But yeah, I definitely

have to say that the Flintstones wins out just

because it's got such a catchy tune you get some

words to theme or to sing along with and It's

got some nice visuals that go along with it That's

a good point that I didn't think of the visuals

for the Flintstones theme song is way better

for I mean I obviously both shows had different

intros at different times But like the most known

Intro for the Flintstones where you have him

going inside the house and then putting the saber

-toothed tiger out That whole thing is very memorable

which adds to the Flintstones theme song in my

opinion Well, and they even added it to the live

-action film just because it you know It went

right at the beginning of the first one before

they did the Rock Vegas one, but right. Yeah.

Yeah, it was hilarious I was like wow, they're

doing the actual theme song. That's awesome See,

and I think even that part makes the Flintstones

theme song more of a memorable, iconic thing,

because you think of Flintstones, everybody can

picture that intro with the Sabertooth Tiger,

with Dino and Fred and all that. Yeah, but at

the same time, they both tell a story. The Flintstones

tells a story of a night out in the town going

to the drive -in having really really large bronto

ribs and the Jetsons tells the story of George

taking his family and dropping them off where

they need to be and then him going to work So

they do both tell a story. I actually I'd prefer

the Jetsons over the Flintstones. I love the

Flintstones theme, but in in the purposes of

this I like the Jetsons better. Well it's probably

a good thing because if we would have started

to agree on everything the world would have ended.

The world would have exploded as we know it before

we even got to the 2012 apocalypse. Seventeen

pieces. So it looks like for theme songs we have

two for the Flintstones and one for the Jetsons.

Yep. Kind of right along those same lines as

our third topic, which is the actual music throughout

the show This is outside of the theme song here

when you're watching the show the themes that

they play at different parts in the background

The score per se of the show. Let's start with

you. Mike. What do you think of the score? for

the Flintstones for actually both of these cartoons

in Hannah Barbera's heyday, they constantly used

The music I mean I think I would have to go back

and look at that information but I Think white

curtain did a lot of this stuff. I'm not sure

that would be my best guess You know, he's done

a lot of stuff but half the time like okay, you

have Take the Jetsons you have the theme opening

it cuts to Say George is in bed and Rosie's trying

to get him up or one of the automated systems

is is gonna You know kick George out of bed because

he needs to get up getting ready to work Half

of the background music in that opening scene

is almost a softer instrumental version of the

theme song Sometimes is what I've noticed and

for me that fact that you're bringing up kind

of leads Or lends itself to Jetsons having the

better music in the background because they had

the more instrumental theme song Yeah. So it

was easier for them to manipulate that and take

bits and pieces and variations on that theme

and then insert them into the story. Right. Whereas

Flintstones, it seemed like not as connected

to the theme song. Flintstones basically was

bit music. I hate to say that, but what I mean

by bit music is that we all, everybody should

know this by now. If you haven't, again, shameless

plug, go back and listen to Tunecast episode

21, but The Flintstones is basically an animated

version of The Honeymooners. Right. And the Honeymooners

had bit music. If Ralph Cramden came in, he had

a little bit part theme thing. You know, if the

neighbor came in, they had bit part theme things.

And that's the same thing with the Flintstones

is every time a different character came up,

they would have their own like almost individual

theme type of thing or a little thing. I don't

think I've heard any of the instrumental part

of the Flintstones theme song in the incidentals.

in the backgrounds of the cartoons. I don't really

remember it. I honestly don't. I think they used

completely separate, almost granted Flintstones

came before this, but almost like Saved by the

Bell type of music. You know, I mean the transitional

music thing. I think they used more of that for

the Flintstones. Whereas the Jetsons, you could

work, you know, as you said, change the variation

of the theme, change the pitch, change this,

change that of the instrumentals. and cater it

to whatever scene it was. So after all of that,

which I agree, who is your vote for? For the

music, it's got to go to the Jetsons. Steve.

My vote has to go to the Flintstones. OK. It's

as simple as that. Yes. Anything else you want

to say about that? I don't know. What about you?

Well, I mean, that leaves two of us with the

Jetsons and one of us with the Flintstones for

the music. Oh, for the music? Yeah. I was zoned

out. No, I'd have to change that to the Jetsons.

Another world breaker there. Another agreement.

So far, the two that we've all liked the Jetsons

for, we've all agreed on, and we have the other

one, which two of us went with Flintstones. One

stayed with the Jetsons. Yeah. So so far, it's

looking interesting. But the next category is

I think the best way to look at this one is the

actual premise of the show. And the idea here

is if you were in a studio executive or someone

from the channel or the animation studio or whatever

and somebody came to you with the premise of

these two shows without ever seeing it, without

ever seeing the animation or hearing it or any

of that stuff. just based on the idea of the

show, which was the better premise, which would

have you been sold on. So basically we have the

Flintstones, which is being introduced, you know,

obviously earlier on. And the premise of that

one basically is let's do a sitcom, a live action

sitcom. But for the first time, let's do it in

animated form. Like you said, The Honeymooners

or like, you know, something like that. Let's

let's take that and let's do it in animated form.

But to put a little spin on it instead of having

it in present day, we're going to send it back

to the stone age. Whereas the premise of the

Jetsons coming afterwards is, you know, Flintstones

was successful. Let's do the exact same thing,

except instead of having it in the stone age,

let's throw it into the space age. To me, it

kind of boils down to, and this is kind of unfair,

but the Flintstones came first and the premise

at that point would have been totally unique.

It was not necessarily groundbreaking, but it

was game changing as far as the world of animation

goes. And it was something that had never been

done before. Whereas when you get to the Jetsons,

it's not only been done with the Flintstones,

it's been done, you know, a couple of different

times. I mean, they both came out in the 60s.

I'm pretty sure that The Flintstones was first.

The Flintstones was basically the first primetime

animated show. Right. Before The Simpsons. Way

before The Simpsons. I mean, if you're an animation

historian, you will argue that there technically

were a couple before The Flintstones, but basically

that is the first major... major primetime animated

show that broke ground for all the ones that

would come after that, and the Jetsons came later.

You know, you could see it as the two, you know,

the Stone Age versus the Space Age, but that's

another argument for later on in our episode.

Right. As far as the premise and as far as when

they were both released, the Flintstones was

released in 1960, the Jetsons came in 1962. So

they're only two years apart as far as when the

studio did these cartoons. Yeah For me personally,

I can watch both series and like both series

because they are so different yet They are so

similar. I mean, I will agree that the Flintstones

It came first it had set up Fred Barney or Fred

Fred Wilma and Pebbles and then Dino And then

the Jetsons, you have George, Judy, Jane, Elroy,

and Astro. So, I mean, they basically added a

second child to the Jetsons instead of just having

one child, you have two. But I like both of the

premises for both of them. I guess what I like

about the Flintstones one is the fact that it's

like honeymooners in animated form. Whereas the

Jetsons is a little different. You don't quite

get that honeymooners feeling to it. It's a variation

on that theme. It centers instead of 100 percent,

well not 100 percent, but instead of the major

focus being set around the family, like it is

in the Flintstones, in the Jetsons you have a

lot more, you know, work and It's mainly a day

in the life of George Jetson and everything that

goes on around him. Whereas the Flintstones,

you get a lot more dynamics between Fred and

Wilma or them and the kids or them and the neighbors.

There's a lot more home part and that's why I

kind of like the premise of that honeymooners

thing a little bit better. Both of them are decent

premises and obviously both of them worked. I'm

just thinking if I'm sitting in the chair and

trying to make a call that we're going to go

with one or the other, Myself would go with the

Flintstones Steve Given out of between the two

from just sitting there watching them. I Like

the futuristic parts of the Jetsons but I have

to also agree that I like the Flintstones in

the sense that it's more family oriented and

I just like the the elements that are there like

your your next -door neighbor friends and your

you know your Your your home unit that you know,

everything's all you know Family and you know

neighbors and you know that kind of stuff. It's

more more related to yeah Yeah, I mean there

is stuff in the Jetsons you can relate to but

I mean outside of the maintenance man Henry George

really doesn't I mean there there really is no

best friend. I mean, yeah, sure Rudy the computer

But I mean, it's a fucking computer for Christ's

sake. Well, it's got more personality and it's

basically I mean No, nobody has more personality

than Spacely. I know. Well, but this is basically,

this is before we would see any of that stuff.

I mean, this is just going off of the idea of

the show, basically. Right. No, and I understand

that. And yeah, I'm, again, I'm going to break

rules here. I'm probably going to have to agree

with you guys just on the basic initial premise

of how the characters lay out and how the setting

lays out. Yeah, Flintstones. Let me write this

result down real quick. And the next one kind

of goes right into that and that is going more

specifically into the actual setting and that

is bedrock versus orbit city and And what you

prefer better? Obviously orbit city is a space

Environment there you have cars going through

the through the air through the space you have

houses that are on platforms type thing a lot

of futuristic elements whereas the setting in

bedrock is your typical stone age thing you have

stone age style houses you have dinosaurs you

have a lot of rock and stuff like that so Mike

you already made your opinion known right but

the only the one thing that has always bothered

me about orbit city is those have to be some

extremely strong Beams no, seriously. I mean

if we're gonna if we're gonna analyze this shit

Those have to be some extremely strong beams

to hold up. Well, it looks like let's see the

car part one, two, three Like six floors of apartments.

I mean that has to be some pretty good goddamn

construction Yeah, and that's one of the things

it's like me about the Jetsons was sorry Steve

That's one of these kind of bugged me about the

Jetsons was Holy crap, where's the baseball fields?

Where's this? Where's how come there's no streets

and that's one of the things that did bug me

about it But I can overlook it because I like

the stylized version I like Just the overall

way Orbit City is laid out versus bedrock see

for me And I am usually a humongous sci -fi fan,

and I usually lean towards all things sci -fi

You like bedrock better, but for me the setting

well, it's more so because in orbit city it's

so not to have a pun here but it's so spaced

out it there is so much distance between everything

and there's so much empty space or sky or whatever

you want to call it in space i guess in this

instance whereas bedrock you actually have an

environment you have You know, your roads, you

have, you know, like you said, your different

areas, your workplaces, your movie theaters,

your diners, your... I mean, I know they have

that stuff in Jetsons, but it's so disconnected

because it's all in space. I'm a sci -fi fan,

but as far as like a setting for the cartoon,

it just flows better with me in Bedrock. Steve.

Already. You have to break the tie for once.

Hmm. Yes, the I agree the beams are kind of odd

For the the Jetsons. I like the the the look

of the little you know futuristic mall like apartment

complex up there But it's also not very plausible

Yeah, there's like no way that they could physically

happen Especially the two little beams that allows

up Down from you know the sky to the lower at

night But also there's nowhere they can go unless

they get in their little flying car Whereas the

Flintstones they can walk all over the place.

There's places all over There's a bowling alley.

There's you know little clubs. I mean, it's I

Like the futuristic ability of the Jetsons, but

I have to side with the Flintstones This is ridiculous

because the two sci -fi guys just voted for the

Flintstones on this one Because I mean there's

more It's more close to real life in that sense.

Whereas I mean the Jetsons while it is a good

concept is So highly un -plausible and there's

no like contact with civilization unless they

like jump in their car Whereas the Flintstones,

you could walk next door Yeah, it's a very private

world in Orbit City Like you could easily never

have contact with people. Well, I mean, you know,

yeah, but the thing about it is, though, you

have, like Steve said, you have to go out, you

have to get in your space car, you have to go

to the store and all the stores are the same

way. They're all on platforms as well. So, I

mean, excuse me, you have content, you have contact

with people, but there's like they never really

showed in the in the Jetsons. As I said before

them Interacting with any of their neighbors

or anything like that. I think I remember maybe

one episode here there where Elroy had an explosion

with one of his inventions and it affected the

ceiling and obviously the floor of the apartment

above them You know, but other than that you

really have no interaction with your other neighbors.

Yeah It's it's interesting. I mean, it's to me

You know, like I said, I like the sci -fi better,

but it's the more public, the more interaction,

the more environment of the bedrock that gives

it to setting for me. What it really boils down

for me, picking the Jetsons, is that I can go

out and I can actually wear shoes, whereas if

you live in bedrock, you gotta go around in your

bare feet. That's true. You know, you step on

a rock, it's like, holy fucking shit, my foot's

bleeding now because I stepped on a truck. But

they don't bleed in bedrock They just get calluses.

That's it. It's a fourth wall thing. They don't

break the fourth wall Well, they do I would definitely

I would definitely not want to walk around and

bare feet though That's that's almost enough

to swing not on rocks. I wouldn't rocks and grass

No, but if you're used to doing it your whole

life, you have a sure way to resistance on your

feet your part caveman It kind of blends right

into our next category, which is who has the

better house. We have the Flintstones house,

which is basically made out of rock. Are we just

talking about? We were talking about setting

as far as the whole environment, but this is

the actual houses and whose house you would rather

have. The Flintstones house in bedrock is obviously

made out of rock. It's got the door in the window

and the little antenna on ground. It's not huge.

And the Jetsons have a house that is on a platform

with a lot of different sci -fi, you know, futuristic

amenities available. So, Steve, whose house would

you rather have? The Flintstones, or not the

Flintstones, the Jetsons hands down. Yeah, the

Jetsons has such a nice futuristic house that

while it isn't, you know, unable to be actually

made. Mean you can get some of the amenities

that are in there in a modern house, but you

couldn't get it like in the sky I do love the

fact that they've got replicators. They've got

They've got robots that do their dirty work.

They just push buttons. That's all they do. They

don't they don't actually do anything They just

you know, I don't actually have to bend down

and scrub the floor. No, we press a button and

it happens you you go on a a platform that takes

you from bed to shower to door and then it sucks

you through and takes you to your car. So the

lazy man's heaven. Yes, that would be awesome

because you'd be ready for work in less than

a minute. The other thing is and what sells it

for me is temperature control. Oh, yes. In the

Flintstones, you got nothing. I mean, you might

have some type of prehistoric animal blowing

like a wind in there or something, I guess, maybe.

But you have no central air, heating, this or

that. So I wouldn't even be able to sleep in

the Flintstone house. So I got to go with the

Jetsons, too. It's another unanimous. Yeah, the

Jetsons house. They win. Enough said. The next

one's tricky. Tricky because we basically for

the most part have very much of the same people

doing the writing for both shows But when it

comes down to the just the general types of stories

that were told in each series Mike do you have

a preference in in one of the series as far as

the the types of stories that they told I? See

this is where it kind of gets difficult because

this is one of the hardest ones. Yeah, because

I like the Like The manly lodge, you know, activity

type, you know, scheme type things that Fred

and Barney do. Well, Fred does and Barney just

kind of goes along with it. But as far as an

overall family adventure and what, you know,

whatever kind of different things that a family

is doing, I prefer the Jetson storytelling because

you have. that family dynamic there with the

two kids, the two parents, Rosie, Astro, Orbity

coming later. You have that family dynamic because

even though majority of the show of the Jetsons

is George going to work and going through his

daily routine, you still have Jane. Doing her

routine you have Elroy going to school you have

Judy going to school and you have Judy Throwing

fits over diary spilling her, you know biggest

secrets this that and the other thing everything

else But I just feel that with the Flintstones

It's less as far as storytelling. It's less family

oriented because it's more so Friends, you know,

I mean I guess it is kind of family -oriented

once Bam Bam shows up, because then you have

Pebbles and Bam Bam, the two babies together,

Barney and Rubble's adopt - Barney and Betty's

adopted kid, and then obviously Fred and Wilma's

child, but until that happens, the episode's

up until then, it's mainly just a bunch of friends

going out and doing shit. I think for me what

it is though, and I do like both, sets of storytelling

and the writing in both series. I mean, the writing

in both series is way better than the writing

we get in most modern series. But as far as being

able to connect with the stories that are being

told, I couldn't connect as much with following

George around as I could with the interaction

between Fred and Barney. Because the interaction

between Fred and Barney and the basic Premise

that almost all their stories are those two doing

something and then it's you know It's those two

and their adventures at work or it's those two

and dealing with their wives It's it's those

two doing something and and just growing up,

you know, you always You know always but it's

easier to relate to interactions between someone

and their friend For me and the Jetsons It was

more trying to relate to a father going through

his day dealing with his family dealing with

his workplace Which was more foreign for me at

the time now obviously today It's a little different

and maybe if I watched them all as an adult I

could relate more with the Jetsons But as a kid

I could relate more to the Flintstones just from

that friendship angle between Fred and Barney

So I guess I'll have to go with stories from

the Flintstones as a little bit better for me

Steve I'm too. I'm going with the Flintstones

You guys suck based on the fact that I yeah,

it is kind of hard to relate to George just because

You know it for one It I mean it does follow

him around and granted later it for the most

part. It does jump around between his family

Okay, but go back to centerpieces, but I like

how they have a lot of stuff with Fred getting

into, you know, different kinds of trouble and

then, you know, the whole, you know, I like the

best friend dynamic, whereas George is kind of,

there's no friends. He's by himself. Right. Yeah,

he's just a loser, kind of. Oh, I'm not really

a loser. Because if you look at their faces on

the picture on the next part, you know, George

has a sad face and Fred has a happy face. And

it's quite common throughout the series. Well,

you know, the way I look at it is and this isn't

to throw Steve under the bus, but, you know,

I was six when Steve was born. The thing is,

is that watching the Jetsons in the 80s in reruns

and some of the new episodes that they were producing

in the 80s as a six, seven year old boy, I Related

obviously more to Elroy. I mean really not so

much George But you know now I guess I could

relate to George a little bit But and I could

also relate to Fred now, but I mean as a six

or seven year old boy in the 80s I think you

are Fred. I'm just kidding. Shut the hell up

I think I hate a nerve both of you, you know

You know looking at it that way obviously you

have all these adults you have this semi teenage

quasi Diva in Judy and then you have Elroy who

is this boy genius? But he still liked all those

you know he went to like space camp he did all

the Boy Scout type of little things that little

kids did so I think you know me as a six or seven

year old Kid I related to Elroy more and more

and that's why I like the Jetsons stories a little

bit more that makes sense I'll buy that for a

dollar Please don't say that on what you'll get

her ass. I don't say that on where it's on Twitter

by that for quarters Okay, I'll buy that for

two dollars The next set of I'll buy it for 50

cent 50 cent We just went from one of the hardest

ones in my opinion the writing and we're gonna

get into some easier ones because for the next

six Categories, we're just breaking down characters.

So this should be a little bit easier for us

I would hope and we're starting obviously with

the man of the house So it's Fred Flintstone

versus George Jetson, which is the better character

Mike? You know what I'm cheating because I like

the way they interacted with each other in the

Jetsons meet the Flintstones How are you cheating

Because I'm picking them both. I like them both.

Yes. Yes, I can It is against our rules. You

must pick which one I'm on the wars You must

pick a side like a gun is to your head and you

have to say one of them George friends funny,

but he's sometimes he's too over -the -top I

like George a little bit better because he's

more laid back. Steve. And this is another tough

one for me because on the one hand you get, you

know, sad face George and on the other hand you

got happy face Fred. The problem with George

is one, the voice between the two. I like Fred's

voice better. Yes. Like Fred's character better,

but I like George's fact that he takes care of

everything whereas Fred's kind of like I'm gonna

do what I want I'm in it for me So it's kind

of a tough one there But I find myself enjoying

Fred's character the most out of the two Probably

because I grew up more so on Flintstones and

I just like his character it I think Fred is

pretty much the one that makes the show obviously

since it's the Flintstones But yes, I think I'm

gonna go with Fred on this one. All right, so

we have one for Fred and one for George For me

when you look at George, it's kind of like a

double -edged sword on the one hand I can relate

to him better because he's like even though he's

not really like the computer nerd. He's kind

of like that type of person he reminds me of

like Tim the tool man Taylor almost where he's

just like Across between that and some type of

futuristic space guy. I like that. He's got the

job. He does that he's dealing with computers

You know everything about that type of his persona

But at the same time like you brought up he is

a loner like he doesn't seem to have a whole

lot of friends He's got his family and his work

And that kind of goes against him a little bit

That's pretty much all he has I mean And I'm

not trying to cut you off here, but just thinking

about what you're saying here, it's like, yeah,

George doesn't do anything. George gets up, goes

to work, comes home, goes to bed. That's pretty

much George's life. So in that case, I can relate

to him better. That's right, because you have

no life. No, I do. But to me, Steve, I think,

brings up a good point, though. If you take the

series, Fred carries the Flintstones. Right.

Whereas George doesn't necessarily, I know it's

all about George, but he doesn't necessarily

carry the show. It seems like it's more of an

ensemble group in the Jetsons, where if you don't

have all of them, it doesn't work. Whereas the

Flintstones, if you just take Fred out, it doesn't

work. Like, I could see an episode of the Jetsons

without George being in it being just as good

as ones that he's in. Right. Yeah, I can definitely

see that. But with the Flintstones, there's no

way you could do it without Fred. No, if you

do it without Fred, everyone's like, where's

Fred? Where's Fred? So in the end, even though

I can relate maybe a little bit more to George,

I got to go with Fred as the better character.

He carries the show. That was a tough one, though.

That leads us to their wives. So we have Wilma

Flintstone versus Jane Jetson. Who wants to go

first on this one? Jane. Stop this crazy thing.

Any reasoning Mike? Yeah, she's Wilma I don't

know the reason why I didn't pick Wilma was because

I Didn't get any kind of a tat like I didn't

get any kind of character like I didn't really

feel for Wilma Wilma is that basic 1960s housewife

she has Betty they have their fun they go on

their little adventures every now and then but

Jane... First of all, we don't know what Jane

does. I'm assuming she's a housewife and she

doesn't have a real job, but Jane to me exudes

more character than Wilma does. I'm not saying

that Wilma is bland in any case. Wilma has plenty

of character, but for me, Jane's just more entertaining,

I guess. You know, the one episode I can specifically

remember that centered around Jane was... She

had a button itis or button masher itis or something

where her fingers were all, she was all stressed

out from pushing all the buttons on the machines

and stuff at home. And she went out to this dude

ranch to get away from it all and do vacation.

You know, you didn't have Wilma doing anything

like this far as to my memory. I don't ever remember

seeing an episode where Wilma and Betty, unless

they're just going to like the bedrock spa. Like,

I don't remember just the two of them going on

a vacation anywhere, just like a girls' weekend

thing, whereas Jane kind of did. When will the

day come that we will all have button -mashing

-itis? To me, I look at it two ways. Number one,

as the kids, as Pebbles or Judy and Elroy, who

would I rather have as a mom? The answer is Jane.

because she just seemed to be, I know they're

both kind of prototypical moms per se, but I

almost got that vibe where Wilma's more concerned

about hanging out with Betty and gossiping and

fashion and that type of stuff, whereas Jane's

trying to get them ready to go to school, getting

them ready for this, making sure they're up,

getting their meals programmed into the automatic

meal thingy -bobber. So from a kid standpoint,

I'd rather have Jane as my mom. And the other

way I can look at it is if I'm Fred or George,

who would I rather have as my wife? And that

is hands down Jane. Yeah, Jane is hot. Yeah,

Jane's hot. Not that Wilma's ugly. I'm not taking

anything away. But Wilma just doesn't do it for

me. Wilma's mother is pretty ugly. Wilma just

doesn't do it for me. And if you look at people's

moms, that's no, just kidding. That's how they're

supposed to turn out, so I don't want anybody

to do it for Wilma. Steve thoughts. Oh wow For

one they're both redheads. Yeah, so they got

that going for him at least So that means that

they're they're they're gonna be decent either

way Jane has better looking clothes true Yeah,

where it shows more of her actual figure so it

actually looks hotter Which is kind of gross

staring at a mom here, but But yes, um, I'd have

to say overall hands down and have to be Jane

just because Wilma's kind of useless I mean,

she doesn't really do anything besides her cookie

-cutter 60s pose Whereas Jane's kind of like

more outgoing and does more does more for the

kids does more for George Just you know kind

of it is more modern. Yeah It's like Jane has

a little bit more like Mrs. Brady, whereas Wilma

has a little bit more of the nanny or like Roseanne

or something. I don't know. I'll give you a quick

answer Roseanne. Not Roseanne, I'm just saying

like she's more... Wilma is not as bad as fucking

Fran Drescher. Those are bad examples, but I

just don't get that. It's not the warm fuzzy

mom feeling that you get out of like Pleasantville,

which is where Jane Jetson seems like she needs

to be if she's not in space. I think with Wilma,

it's one of those things where they have pebbles.

Obviously, they're going to look out for pebbles.

And then through the storyline of the series,

you have – I almost said Fred and Barney. Holy

crap, that would be really weird. Barney and

Betty going through the whole adoption process

of adopting Bam Bam. And then once they get Bam

Bam, it's more of a family dynamic and relatable

because you have Pebbles and Bam Bam interacting

with each other. Think we're gonna get a lot

of hate mail on this one. I don't care another

thing I think we should think of though and I

actually we shouldn't think of it, but they just

put into my head Is the age factor here now if

you're just looking at Wilma and Jane? Wilma

looks older. Oh, yeah Pebbles is a baby Yeah,

Judy's like 15 Yeah, 15 16. Yeah, so Wilma had

her kid at like 40 Jane and her kid at like 15

No in the episode I one of the episodes I just

watched they mentioned they specifically state

Jane's age as 33 Okay, how old is Judy? Judy

is supposed to be between I think 14 and 16 if

Judy's 14 and Jane's 33 George was a cradle Robert.

She had her when she was 19. I'm just saying

George is a cradle robber. Oh, I mean so if if

Jane is 33 say George is 35 36 No, he looks like

45 Okay, but I'm just saying I'm putting it into

a decent age range for the couple say George's

you can even put him at 38 if if Jane is 33 That's

only a five -year difference. I'm saying she

has some kids at a young age Yeah surprises looking

at the pictures of Fred and George look at some

of the people nowadays in real life that are

having babies at 16 17 and crap like that, so

Jane 19 wasn't that bad, but looking at Fred

and George It should be no surprise that George

scored the hotter chick. Oh, yes Okay enough

we're gonna get in trouble if we keep talking

about the women That leads us right into category

number 10, which is the kids. So on one hand

we have Pebbles and Bam Bam running around, and

obviously on the other we have Judy and Elroy.

Steve, what are your thoughts on the sets of

kids in each show? Well, I can see why they went

for the cute factor with Pebbles and Bam Bam.

They don't really do a whole hell of a lot. Besides

Bam Bam hitting people over the head? Besides

Bam Bam just grabbing people and going, Bam Bam.

We're as Judy and Elroy granted Judy was a little

bit annoying but she was your typical teenage

drama queen and Then you get Elroy who is the

brainiac, you know, like five -year -old Okay,

maybe like seven -year -old but whatever I think

he's supposed to be seven Seven or eight either

way gratuitous form of Butte. Anyways, um Yes,

so I would have to definitely say it would probably

be the Jetsons kids Just because they're more

interesting and the kind of funny thing is each

one has a kid with white hair Each said I didn't

really put two and two together before But it's

quite interesting and Elroy kind of looks like

Bam Bam. Just saying But I just think that the

the Jetson kids have a whole lot more character

than Obviously Pebbles and Bam Bam just because

they're actually in the episodes and actually

do things and actually speak Yeah Like Judy was

your average Mike's girlfriend. Oh what? Shut

the fuck up everything average about your ass.

Judy was your average diva over -the -top teenage

girl Elroy was For me obviously a little bit

more relatable honestly Just through the storylines

and through their characters. I like Pebbles

and Bam Bam better Because Pebbles and Bam Bam

actually grow up together and they eventually

obviously have a family of their own But Yeah,

I picked the Flintstones kids over the Jetsons

because really I liked Elroy But I couldn't stand

Judy that you can't really argue that because

this is on the classic Flintstones not the Reimagined

later series it was still it's still a continuity,

but it's still a part of the classic No, it's

still it is Flintstones kids because it's still

not in regular continuity did his Bam Bam thing

pebbles would always laugh And it was much funnier

than anything Judy or Elroy ever did it doesn't

matter Yes, it does matter. I'm making the fucking

Flintstones kids. God damn it But it's still

not in technically in continuity for when they

get older. It's I mean, it's still in continuity

But it's not under the same Flintstones title

Sure, it is. So it's not They have a special

It's in fucking continuity continuity, but this

is all about the classic fun stones I know But

what I'm saying is so boy Judy would Judy as

a teenager was fucking annoying I couldn't fucking

stand or I could relate I could relate to Elroy

But he was always doing, you know, the Boy Scout

thing or the Space Camp thing. Whereas I found

Bam Bam doing his Bam Bam thing and Pebbles laughing,

I found that more enjoyable. So I'm picking the

fucking Flintstones kid. Shut the fuck up, Steve.

The guns are locked and loaded in this Wars episode.

So we have one vote for the Flintstones, one

vote for the Jetsons. And now I get thrown out

into the battlefield. There are parts of Pebbles

and BamBam that I like. I like BamBam and his

superhuman strength. I like him picking up people

like they're feathers and hitting them on the

ground and because sometimes Fred deserved that

or Barney deserved that. And Pebbles is cute.

I just, it's almost like Pebbles is sometimes

forgettable. But she was cute and the interaction

between Pebbles and BamBam might have been better

than the interaction between Judy and Elroy.

Well the point there and the reason why it is

a little bit better is because Hells and Bam

Bam aren't brother and sister right and they're

the same age and yeah, and it helps out that

way I understand a lot of people thinking Judy

is annoying I didn't find her as annoying as

I did hot when I was younger You know cuz I watched

this show when I was like, you know, whatever

six seven eight nine ten I don't know how old

I was but She followed after her mom both Jane

and Judy were hot. I did have a problem when

I was a little kid I didn't at first know which

one was I was confused Judy for the mom at sometimes

but anyway For me what settles this battle is

Elroy The other three I can forget about but

Elroy is just so Cool like I love his character.

I love his voice. I love the boy genius act before

It became popular to do that. Jimmy Neutron and

et cetera, et cetera. But I don't know. He was

just a cool character. I liked the voice. I liked

what he did. I liked him coming up with all these

different experiments or gadgets and gizmos.

So he's the one that sells it for me. He's the

most relatable out of the four kids. So my vote

goes to the Jetsons. But I can see your vote,

Mike. I just. Yes, I can see your vote, but it's.

Fuck you guys. I'm going home. Oh, I'm going

home We're not done with people yet. We got a

few more to get through and aren't or Characters

going home. It doesn't matter. So Steve and I

will keep going. No, our 11th category is the

family pets Now obviously there was different

pet type or animal type characters throughout

the runs of these shows But you can't argue that

the main ones for each one are Dino and Astro

right Mike Astro hands down I like how you just

automatically give your choice with no explanation

well partially because Astro is He's a gray scooby

-doo But he's much smarter than scooby -doo.

Yeah Astro is more human -like whereas Dino is

more dog -like Even though Dino is like a doggish

type dinosaur. I don't know what the hell kind

of I guess he would be like a baby Brontosaurus,

Brachiosaurus, I don't know what the hell Dino

is. But Dino has more of that, you know, puppy

dog type of personality whereas Astro has that,

I want to be your best friend, Roarge. You know,

and the funny thing is, is Astro, Astro is almost

a human character if you think about it. Because

he stands up every now and then that's George's

best friend We found George's best friend. There

you go. Um man's best friend for dog I gotta

go with the kid in me and who I liked better

as a kid because seeing on both as an adult I

don't really Care, you know like or dislike either

one of them that much but as a kid There was

something about Dino that drew me to him I remember

having I remember having Dino like, I don't know

what kind of toys they were or what kind of figurines

or, you know, like little figurines or eraser.

I don't know what they were, but I something

about Dino I liked as a kid. I liked his interaction

with Fred. I liked that he was like the family

dog, but he was a dinosaur. So, you know, I don't

have a great reason for this, but I'm going with

my kid self and that's Dino. Steve, you got to

break the tie. This is going to be easy for me.

See Dino the appealing part is the That part

when he's like chasing Fred And the fact that

he's you know dog like Astro is appealing because

not only does he stand on his hind legs sometimes

and just kind of relaxes on all fours and talks

to people he also does impressions during certain

points and You can understand him. I'm like Scooby

reasoning you know, that's like generally what

scooby says and Astro is pretty much English

with the exception of a little bit of a You know

dog growl, so I would have to say it's Astro

Fair enough and it wasn't Astro Astro and scooby

were both done by Don Messick weren't they? Oh,

yes. Yes. It's just a variation They just keep

cleaning it up for for Astro I like that. I don't

know if it was an episode or if it was a movie

or something, but I like the episode. The Flintstones

meet the Jetsons? No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no. I know that's a movie. But the episode

where they find out that Astro is actually some

rich, rich person's dog and his original name

is... Trollfaz. Trollfaz. Yuck. So Astro wins

the battle of pets. But now we're at the battle

of the bosses in the Flintstones case. We have

mr. Slate John Stevenson against Cosmo P Spacely

who was I believe Mel Blanc Both great voices

both incredible voice actors, but as far as the

actual characters go the bosses of Fred and the

bosses of George Who wants to go first on this

one? Mike does Well, I break tradition Why break

tradition with letting Mike just spout off? No,

no, no. Why break tradition of having me go first?

And just shouting out a name. Spacely. Simply

because he had more, because he basically ruled

over George's life, he had more interaction with

George. I mean, Spacely is essentially George's,

Mr. Burns is, you know, to Homer. uh slate really

didn't you only saw slate here and there whenever

fred you know tried to pull a scheme that didn't

go right or you know or at a lodge meeting you

didn't really see slate all that much basically

definitely got more air time You had to meet

his wife wife his kid, you know Cosmo Spacely

would come to the Jetsons apparently at their

house Yeah, so definitely got more more airtime

so I can see that point Steve I would say mr.

Spacely and this is why because Despite their

many physical similarities of the two hairs on

the top of their head They're very similar mustache

or not mustache, but a light just scraggly face

area Yeah, their noses are very similar only

spaces is shorter their uniforms almost look

identical except for the fact that Slates is

ragged because of the Stone Age Well, Slade is

also wearing a tie where his space Lee's is a

sweater but but it almost looks like a tie on

his sweater So but I'd have to say space Lee

because one you can see the meanness in his face

He's that that stereotypical asshole boss that

everybody has at some point and He's a cheapskate

he cuts corners he wants to Make his what he

thinks is his shittiest worker do all of the

bitch work and he self invites him over to their

house Yes, all the time because he's like feed

me dinner because I don't know how to cook and

He's like and I don't want to buy steak at the

store. So you're gonna feed me steak So yeah,

I didn't say space Lee just cuz he's a complete

ass and he's like the one of the best incarnations

of this kind of boss character. He is your prototypical

boss that we all have had before. For me, it's

kind of like you guys said, Space Lee is the

deeper character. There's more to him. There's

more characterization. There's more growth. There's

more depth. Mr. Slate was the same person, basically,

but much not shallow as personality, but much

more shallow as far as character development.

He was toned down. Yeah, it was just like it

was like it was like they took mr. Slate and

like put him on steroids and they got Cosmo So

I'll agree with you guys and I will go with Cosmo

and the Jetsons on the bosses For the next category.

We're not just limited to the ones I've listed

here, but we're talking about any other character

on the shows The rest of the characters that

didn't fit into one of these other groups. So

in the Flintstones case, we obviously have Barney

and Betty rubble and some other people you guys

can probably think of. For the Jetsons, we have

Rosie the maid, we have Henry Orbit, and I'm

sure there's other guys you can think of for

that. As far as the rest of the cast of characters,

the supporting cast, so to speak, this should

be pretty obvious. Are you sure? I would think

this is going to be unanimous. The Great Gazoo!

Didn't see that coming. Exactly. Barney and Betty,

I like them more. I do like Rosie and Henry.

More so it actually should have been Rosie and

Mac, Henry's robot rather than Henry himself

because human -robot relations that just... Could

have been George's computer too. Yeah, yeah,

I could have been Rudy But see that's the thing,

you know, you had as we said before You have

more characters in the Flintstones. Whereas the

Jetsons have characters, but it's all robots

Yeah, what the fuck was that? What the fuck is

a samoflange? To me, I almost always found myself

liking Barney and Betty almost better than Fred

and Wilma. Yeah. Oh, yeah I for sure like but

I think Barney was probably my favorite character

in the entire Flintstones And I definitely like

Betty better than Wilma just number one. She's

hotter She's not quite as annoying to me as Wilma

Wilma wasn't more of the annoying like I felt

bad for Fred sometimes because Wilma was his

wife and I felt bad for Wilma sometimes that

Fred was her husband Whereas Barney and Betty

Would have I didn't feel bad for either one of

them. They are a good match good pair So the

supporting cast of the Flintstones is by far

to me better. Yeah, Steve. I would have to say

I agree with the Flintstones as well Another

moment of Zen. Yes because of the same reasons

I just I wouldn't say that they're my favorite

characters But I definitely like their dynamic

and how they added something to the show and

like we stated before it's more of the best friend

thing and then you know of course they're a perfect

match for each other so it just makes more sense

for them whereas like Rosie she was kind of cool

but yeah I didn't really care Mac I didn't really

care Henry was cool but he was like a bit part

Yeah, Rosie and Henry are more for comic relief

than anything else. Oh, yeah, they got their

quick quip and then they're done Actually, they're

more comparable to like the rest of the animals

that you see in the Flintstones That's true.

Yeah, where they're using them and then they

say something random, right? Which kind of leads

us into, and I know some people will say it's

unfair that we put this as a category because

our next category is technology. And we're talking

about a Stone Age versus a Space Age cartoon.

But to me, this is an interesting category because

Flintstones did some cool ass stuff with turning

prehistoric environments, animals, dinosaurs,

et cetera, into technology. We're talking about

Like a bully mammoth used as a vacuum cleaner

Or is everybody still there Yeah We're talking

about you know, the alarm clock is being like

a prehistoric bird type thing You know that they

did cool things with using these prehistoric

Beasts and whatnot to mimic modern -day technology.

Whereas the Jetsons were projecting what? Could

we possibly have it's almost like Star Trek the

next generation or the original Star Trek where

we're trying to like Make stuff that might in

the future actually come true, which obviously

a lot of times we did You know, we have like

a robot vacuum cleaner. We have moving walkways

tanning beds, you know televiewers talking alarm

clocks video chat etc so the technology is interesting

for me because one it's like predicting the future

and one is coming up with very clever ways to

prehistoricize modern stuff so i'm not sure which

way i'm going on this one yet i want to listen

to your guys's arguments Steve oh of course throw

me under the bus right um as far as technology

and I know the Flintstones had innovative ways

of coming up with similar things that you know

would perform the same as What they could do

in real life? Such as like the alarm clocks,

you know having the bird just Cuckooing and then

of course the you know taking pictures where

you have the little bird inside Beating away

at the rock until the picture shows up You know,

I can see that that was kind of cool and then

they would make some kind of a smartass remark

afterward You know based on the fact they were

tired or they don't get paid enough for this

or you know There's something like that or might

be for opening monkey Yeah, I mean so I mean

it's just it was kind of funny some of those

that they threw in there But you can definitely

tell that it was more based for Kids whereas

Jetsons was more a little bit more adultish than

the Flintstones and that they had more things

that your mind could grasp Yeah, you know that

they're so bizarre that you know, of course Just

about everything that is in the Jetsons. We've

at least had one, you know real life in turn

either a prototype or a real working incarnation

of It's amazing looking at back to the future

Star Trek and the Jetsons and some of those things

I'm seeing with how much stuff they got, right?

Well, the thing is is we've actually been Trying

to engineer stuff based on what we watched as

kids. Mm -hmm So it's kind of funny that everything

is starting to come true that was actually there.

So are you leaning towards the Jetsons? I would

definitely say the Jetsons. Okay. It would be

so much cooler to be in that tech time. That

is true. What about you, Mike? The Jetsons. So

I don't even need to vote. Sweet. I do gotta

say, the thing I would love the most is their

way of getting food. Yeah, and I was gonna bring

that up because I'm again I'm not sure if this

was an episode or if it was the intro to Jetsons

meet the Flintstones but The Breakfast Matic

or button -o -matic or whatever it is the one

of the one of the breakfast machines that Jane

has She's like Elroy, why are you having ice

cream for breakfast? I didn't do this on purpose

mom. I hit bacon eggs Whatever else and this

is what I got he has like a giant bowl of ice

cream and Yeah, the the Jetsons stuff was so

much cooler And yeah, that's what I would go

with is the Jetsons take Already, so it's unanimous

for well I'll throw my voting for the Jetsons

to since you guys kind of convinced me a little

bit there As far as the next category, we're

talking vehicles. The Flintstones prehistoric

two -wheeled rock cart that you have to pedal

with your feet versus a flying saucer. Flying

saucer. Fucking Flintstones car. It's too much

fucking exercise. Are you kidding me? And again,

this goes back to my thing of living in bedrock,

regardless of whatever buildup you've, you know,

whatever tolerances you've applied to it. You're

using your friggin' feet. That would hurt like

hell to try to stop. My question is, why are

the Jetsons as a family seemingly the better

in shape family than the Flintstones? Because

the Flintstones are working non -stop. He's pedaling

with his feet. He's always getting exercise.

I'm just saying. Fred's just a fat ass. What

about you, Steve? Which car would you like? Um,

well, I will admit that the Flintstones vehicle

looks cooler Just as far as the you know, you

get your canopy type thing and then just the

the kind of looks of it I What the steamroller

it's a fucking steamroller It was just saying

if anybody gets in your way just run their ass

over You know, it's just you unanimous not only

do you hit them with the steamroller? But you

kick them with your feet and then you run them

back over the steamroller. So you hope there's

never winter They didn't have it in the Stone

Age, right? Right, so I agree with Steve. It's

a better looking like from a design standpoint.

I like the looks of the flint song car better

but for usability I'd have to go with the front

with the Jetsons just because it Folds into a

suitcase and which one of us has not wanted to

fly through the air and space in our car instead

of on the roads. I just love to be able to park

my car in a suitcase instead of in a parking

lot or having to pay for parking or it turns

into a cube and put it in your pocket. That is

excellent. That makes packing easy. Light load.

I will agree with you guys. I would much rather

be flying around through there than walking,

pedaling with my feet. That's why I don't like

skateboards. I don't want to have to use my feet

to initiate the force needed for me to go somewhere.

So my lazy ass is taking the Jetsons too. Next

one is kind of hard because we have a lot of

similarities here and we're looking at the voices

of the two shows the voice acting between the

two shows now Obviously Don Messick and Gene

Vanderpyle and Mel Blanc are both shows as well

as other people to me What it comes down to is

number one the differences in the two which people

only appeared in one or which only people only

appeared in another or the standout performances

in each. So going first here, as far as the Jetsons

go, I love Mel Blanc's Cosmo and I love Dawes

Butler's Elroy. Like those two are the standout

vocal performances for me from the Jetsons. Whereas

the Flintstones, you have again Mel Blanc as

Barney Rubble, which was a great performance.

And then you had Alan Reed and then later Henry

Corden as Fred. I like Fred's voices, both of

them better than George's. It's very close for

me because I really like Dawes Butler and I really

like Elroy, but I think I kind of like the voices

overall in the Flintstones better. I can't really

explain it. As an ensemble, I like the Flintstones

better, and I think most of it falls to the fact

that I like Fred's voice better than George's.

Yeah. Mike? Who else voiced Barney because a

couple episodes Yeah, there was a few other people.

Oh my god Well, actually Dawes Butler originally

did the very first Fred Flintstone, but it's

not something most people would like Because

we're so used to the other ones I mean when it

comes to the Flintstones, you know, I like both

versions of Fred I like you know Mel Blanks Barney

Other than that Betty was okay, I couldn't, I

mean Wilma was like, you know, nails on a chalkboard

half the time when she talked. I actually preferred

her condescending mother's voice over hers. As

an ensemble though, I gotta go with the Jetsons

just because I love Messick as Astro, I love

Mel Blank as Spacely, and Dawes as Elroy just

was awesome as well. Steve, you get to break

the tie again. See I like Fred and I like Barney

as far as the Flintstones are concerned But it

also tips the scale and in the Jetsons favor

because of the exact same three that Mike just

listed Yeah, just because I like that their voices

the most out of out of them and I like Fred's

and I like Barney's however, I like space Lee

and Astro the most out of all of them. Yeah.

Just because of their voice performance in them.

That's true. Oh, I do also like Jon Stevenson

as Mr. Slater is not listed here as Flintstones,

but he did multiple voices on both series. I

can see that for me, it kind of comes down to

who do you like better? Do you like Barney and

Fred's voices or do you like Elroy and, you know,

like Cosmo and some of those voices better? It's

very close because there's so many similarities.

But you said your vote's going for the Jetsons,

Steve? Yes. Alrighty. Marking that down. Our

next category is basically the overall design

or the visual appeal of each series. Which series

just looked better from an animation standpoint,

from a stylistic standpoint? Like which one was

easier on the eyes for you? Let's let someone

else go first. Steve, you want to take it first

on which series actually had the better look?

Regardless of setting regardless of setting regardless

of characters the actual animation the design

the style The look the visual appealing aspect

of the show hands down Jetsons Just because everything

had a more sleek stylish look to it Some of the

the the stuff was shiny. It had a lot of bright

colors I mean it just a lot of stuff that would

draw your eye into it Just and the character

models were it seemed a lot more detailed whereas

like I mean granted Elroy is the exception As

far as like his face because it matches kind

of Wilma and and Barney But the rest of them

Every other character that shows up is pretty

fully featured. Whereas the Flintstones they're

kind of like, I don't know. I didn't really care

for them as much I could just see more of a modern

look coming out of the Jetsons, whereas the Flintstones

I can't. For me, the characters and the Jetsons

blend more in with their environments and their

backgrounds, whereas sometimes the characters

and the Flintstones look like they've been drawn

separately and then placed onto the environment.

Right which I don't know enough about you know

old -time animation and and what was going on

when these series were being made Maybe that's

exactly what was happening But it almost looks

like the characters are superimposed onto the

backgrounds and the Flintstones whereas the Jetsons

seem like they're part of that world It's it's

more maybe believable. Yeah, it's more streamlined

for the Jetsons So I gotta agree with you. I

like the actual look and the style of the Jetsons

better It's a tie the Jetsons hands down some

of the up close animation shots like if it's

Fred and Barney in a conversation the animation

on that looks great the overall animatic of the

settings in the Flintstones unless it's like

inside a store but just like the the city of

bedrock it looks so bland it looks so like weathered

to me the facial features on Wilma Just... But

yeah, the Jetsons is way more stylized and way

more stylistically appealing. Alrighty, we're

getting towards the end here. One of our last

categories that we're coming up with is spin

-offs and films, which basically is anything

that came out of this series. What other things

did this series produce or came about because

of this series? Obviously... We have a whole

slew of things that came out of the Flintstones.

There's over 10 or 12 different television series.

There's been live -action movies. There's been,

obviously, the crossover movie between both of

them, the Jetsons meet the Flintstones. We've

had a lot of television specials for the Flintstones.

Whereas the Jetsons have basically just had a

couple things. Jetsons, the movie, there's supposed

to be a new Jetsons movie coming out next year.

I don't know where that is in production or how

that's going. Rocking with Judi Jetson. Basically

not been as much spinoffs or movies made off

of the Jetsons, so does that by default make

the Flintstones the better, or are the quality

of the Jetsons ones enough to give you the vote

for that one, Mike? I like all the different

stories that the Flintstone specials told, like

I was saying earlier. Going on to the continuity,

I Yabba Dabba Doo was the movie where Pembles

and Bam Bam get married. Flintstones Christmas

Carol that was really great. I love that But

really what cinches it for me is when the The

two series met Jetsons meet the Flintstones That

by far beats any of the other specials to me

So that being said your vote goes to the Jetsons

meet the Flintstones that one film. That's it

But which series spun off more better stuff?

It's combining the series, that one film. My

vote is for that film. That's it. You make no

sense, but. Yes, I do make sense because it's

combining the two series. That's the vote. Steve,

help me out. Bring some sanity back. I like the

same movie, The Jetsons Meet the Flintstones.

As do I. That's probably quite frankly one of

my favorite movies out of all of these. The Jetsons

movie I was able to watch on Netflix, which I

also enjoyed. Technically, the Flintstones would

kind of win because of, I mean, look at all of

their massive amounts of productions. Granted

the the Flintstones films the first one was better

than the second one obviously of the live -action

The Jetsons never got a live -action, but supposed

to or at least it's in the ideas of pre -production

Which I would be interested to see but I always

felt the Jetsons Get kind of shafted because

of the Flintstones. Yeah I agree. I think there

should have been more Jetson spin -offs. For

me, what centers it in this one, though, is the

Flintstone series that came later on once Pembles

was an older individual, like a teenager or in

her early 20s. Pebbles and Bam Bam. Yeah, when

they were both older because that just added

a whole nother element and it made them actual

characters that mattered instead of just these

two babies that did nothing. So for me, I kind

of liked being able to see that other aspect

of the Flintstones. So to me, they obviously

had the better set of spin offs, whereas if the

Jessens would have got maybe some more attention

or some more credit and, you know, given a chance

to have some of those, maybe it would have been

just as good. But just based on what has been

put out, I got to go with the Flintstones on

this one. See and I I'd like to go with the Jetsons

and I kind of because I feel they got shaft want

to go with them too, but They also There just

hasn't been anything there. I mean, it's I've

always wanted more to be there right as far as

the Jetsons are concerned because I love the

Jetsons, but I'd have to say that the Flintstones

wins this hands down because I mean they've got

two live -action movies and then they've got

a crossover with the Jetsons and then many sequel

spin -off TV shows You know cartoons and little

special films and it's coming back for another

reboot Next in 2013. Yeah, I forgot about that.

I mean granted I'm not thrilled about the guy

producing it But I'm hoping that they can at

least keep Close as possible to the original

instead of bringing family guy into it. Yeah

Although I'm sure they'll be neighbors What about

the overall impact on pop culture As far as each

series the lasting impact the legacy so to say

the you know, maybe the video games the toys

the merchandise the Vitamins I guess in the Flintstones

case Which series had they better or the bigger

impact on pop culture might I? Would say the

Flintstones, but the Jetsons also had a had a

big resurgence in the 80s when they were producing

new episodes But probably just the overall marketing

of it the Flintstones Steve this is kind of a

double -edged sword here because the Flintstones

does have a Crap load of of marketing. Yes, that

was loud But um, they have a crap load of marketing.

I mean they've got cereal they've got You know,

they're their cocoa pebbles. They've got the

fruity pebbles. They've got the vitamins They've

got you know, just all kinds of different random

advertising using the Flintstones characters

On the other side of it. The Jetsons has also

helped influence modern science So it's kind

of a toss up there. I mean the Jetsons has made

more of a scientific approach to making an impact.

But for as far as everybody knows in modern day,

not really thinking about where it came from,

I'd have to say the Flintstones wins because

the Flintstones is in the public eye like constantly,

whereas the Jetsons, nobody knows where some

of these concepts come from. They're just like,

oh, it's a new technology. Right. Fair enough.

I agree. And I think the scientific impact is

something to be noted. But you're right. The

Flintstones is going to be the one that is in

the eye public eye more so um and that takes

us to our final category which is number 20 on

the list here which show was the overall better

show in your opinion which shows better mike

jetsons or flintstones i'm basing this opinion

on which show i can watch more episodes of now

the jetsons i can watch episodes of the jetsons

Lot more now than I can the Flintstones. I can

watch an episode of the Flintstones here and

there But I can go on a marathon viewing of the

Jetson stuff for me. It's the exact opposite

I can have an easier time watching the Flintstones

nowadays, and I don't know if it's because I

can even relate more to the stuff that Fred and

Barney are talking about with their wives and

with their jobs and whatnot, and I can relate

to that camaraderie between them. Whereas nowadays

some of the Judy Jetson and Elroy stuff is not

as relatable to me because I'm not a kid anymore.

Overall, as far as when I was a kid, I liked

the Flintstones better. I do love sci -fi and

I love a lot of aspects of the Jetsons and I

voted for the Jetsons in quite a few different

categories here. But if I had to pick one to

watch today, it would be the Flintstones. This

is kind of tough for me too because I like both

shows. It's kind of a toss up there. While the

Flintstones does have a lot more variety and

better camaraderie in there, I'll have to say

that I like the Jetsons better just because I

like watching the futuristic time More than I

like watching bedrock. Yeah, I Just think it

piques my interest more because it's more of

a sci -fi twist instead of a oh welcome to the

past Yeah, so I think in that sense. I think

the Jetsons wins But they're both so entirely

good in their own way that it's kind of hard

to judge them I agree. I think both of them are

so iconic and so important as far as the history

of animation and their impact on other series

that came later. It's hard to pick a favorite

one. Like I said, it's easier for me to watch

the Flintstones, but you guys will sway the vote

for overall show to Jetsons. So now we have come

to the point for the GCRN Wars final verdict,

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now there is love verdict all right we've broken

it down into 20 different categories basically

every part of each show that we could possibly

analyze we've analyzed the votes have been tallied

and we have A total of 12 categories going to

one show and 8 categories going to another show.

So the winner by a 12 to 8 score in this battle

is... The Jetsons. Oh, this is awful. The Jetsons

won on logo, music, houses, wife, kids, pets,

boss, technology, vehicles, voices, the overall

look and the overall show. So the Jetsons is

our champion. Big deal. Final thoughts on that,

Mike? Actually, I'm very happy with that. I will

put some input from another person in on this

where someone told me that when I mentioned that

we were doing this episode, someone told me that

the Jetsons win, though this person would so

fuck Wilma. Don't I don't know why they're just

saying that No Yeah, the Jetsons hands down again,

I think for me as I said before in one of the

other categories is that Really what I like best

about both of these franchise is the crossover

movie. That is something I specifically remember

that I was actually in the hospital the year

that that came out at Christmas time. I specifically

remember the hospital having that VHS and I would

watch it. I was in the hospital for like seven

days. I would watch it over and over and over

and over again. I love the Jetsons Meet the Flintstones.

Yes, they both, both series have great storylines,

have great episodes, have great comedic bits,

have great comedic parts, but just... them crossing

over was what I really enjoyed the most. I gotta

say, I'm a little shocked. Which is not a bad

thing. I went into this thinking that the Jetsons

stood no chance against the juggernaut that is

the Flintstones. You know, I just thought the

Flintstones and actually if you look at my individual

votes Six, seven, eight, nine, ten. I had 11

votes going to the Flintstones and nine going

to the Jetsons. So I had it pretty close. I just

didn't think the Jetsons stood a chance and I'm

kind of happy that we had a shocker, even though

my overall pick would be the Flintstones. I can

see your guys' points on some of these things.

So I think it's an interesting result to our

first battle and I'm interested to see what other

people will say and comment on once they hear

this episode. Steve, what are your thoughts on

this? I'm kind of not surprised to see what won.

At the same time, I'm I'm glad that it was these

two iconic shows pitted against each other and

not something like modern that, yeah, I don't

really care so much. Adventure Time versus regular

show. They both suck. Well, I think it was a

good thing to start off our battles going old

school and going with like two too early. Oh,

yeah. I think next time we need to do like. I

know Thundercats and Silverhawks are coming,

but I think we need to do a Star Trek for Star

Wars because I hear a lot of debates on that

everywhere. That's been coming up a lot lately.

That's why I said we need to jump on the bandwagon

and get the publicity. Yeah, I think it is and

that brings up another point when people listen

to this Episode is maybe they can comment also

on battles. They would like to see in the future

We have a list of possible topics that we are,

you know, probably gonna explore but we're more

than open to hear other people's ideas. Oh Yeah,

and and people can send feedback on how to and

obviously ways Michael lists later Overall, you

can't beat either one of these shows. I mean

we are declaring a winner and giving the Jetsons

the crown in this first battle But there are

no losers here I mean really then these are because

and that's what I said to you guys off air before

we even started this episode was that I don't

even know why we're doing this because I like

both of these, like, I can enjoy both of these

shows. Even though I have stated in this episode

that I can watch more of the Jetsons, I can still

sit down and enjoy two or three episodes of Flintstones.

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that's what geeks do. Right. Is analyze stuff

that nobody else would. Exactly. Any other thoughts

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