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Maybe you should play something else. Welcome

to GCR and Wars. This is episode 15. This is

the kickoff of a new tournament. I am TF2 and

Mike. Mr. Optimus Solo, or actually, no, Mr.

Solo Mac. No, it's not Solo Mac. Yes, it's Solo

Mac. Hold the onions. Exactly. Yes, that's exactly

what I'm putting. So Mr. Solo Mac, what is the

new tournament we are doing here on GCR and Wars?

All right, yes, it's Optimus Solo. And the next

tournament we will be doing, you guys might have

remembered the last one when we took on pitted

80s cartoon villains against each other. Stuff

like Cobra Commander and Megatron and Mumrah,

Moanstar, Skeletor, that type of thing. We're

flipping it a little bit this time. We're still

doing some fictional characters, but this time

we are delving into the world of video games.

But this time we are flipping the script a little

bit and we're delving into the world of video

games. So it'll be a little bit different. We're

also making a couple minor tweaks and adjustments

from last tournament. Nothing major. The biggest

change would be that we are going from 16 combatants

to 32 combatants. So we are doubling the amount

of fighters. So we'll have 16 on one side of

the bracket, 16 on the other side of the bracket.

And it will be very much like what you're used

to with like a March Madness NCAA basketball

type tournament. You've probably seen similar

things done in forums and on web pages on other

podcasts. And we have kind of taken that idea

and made it kind of one of the staples of GCN

and wars. So each match and each podcast episode

will be discussed by the people on the on the

show. We'll give our takes or our stance on who

should win in our opinions. And then we will

open it up for the voting public to determine

who makes it on to the next round. So, Steve,

you kind of have an idea of. the dates and the

way people can vote. Can you give a little bit

of information on how people can get involved?

Yep. As the episode posts, because what we're

going to do is it will come online two days after

we record the episode, just to give ample time

to edit and get it set up in any way. So they'll

be Thursday morning through Tuesday night, because

we're recording this on a Tuesday. will be the

the opening of how to vote on the episode post

and it will be the whatever bracket we're talking

about in that episode will be what we vote on

and then it'll continue on through as the weeks

go on and the tournament grows but uh so you

basically just go to the the website and find

the episode post there will be polls there that

you can You can vote on and then as we tabulate

the results, like you said, starting on Thursday

morning and going all the way through Tuesday

night, we'll tabulate. We'll have some answers

and then the next episode we'll announce those

winners first and then we'll move on to the next

topic at hand. So we will split this first round

into two episodes since we have so many. competitors

in this so today's episode we will be covering

one half of the braggart so the first eight battles

on the one side next episode will cover the eight

battles on the other side and from there it'll

just go round by round since it'll be a little

bit narrowed down at that point we said video

game icons or characters is kind of the Idea

behind this so they're all gonna be different

video game characters just to kind of narrow

it down a little bit more I know, you know, everybody

has a different definition of the word icons.

We basically were just trying to pick the most

known characters from a variety of different

video game platforms and We also tried to make

it somewhat This is I know some people will argue

with me, but somewhat kid -friendly More so characters

that a variety of ages would know but that you'd

be familiar with more of the younger age If that

makes sense, so you won't see What's the guy's

name from Halo? Master Chief. Yeah, so we won't

have characters like Master Chief and that type

of those types of characters maybe in a future

tournament But we're keeping it a little bit

more general audience and try to give everybody

a somewhat of a fair shot and also to put People

fighting against each other that most likely

normally wouldn't fight against each other unless

you saw them in like Smash Brothers or a video

game like that There also is a method to the

madness behind who's appearing and which quadrant

of the bracket, but you will have to wait and

see how that plays out as we go forward. I'm

not going to give that information away quite

yet. Mike, how many episodes will people be tuning

in for as we go through this tournament and kind

of give them an idea of how long this will take?

It'll be seven total episodes, so the next seven

weeks of your lives, people, from episode 15

to episode 21 of Wars will be the tournament.

Episodes 15 through 20 will actually be the entire

voting process. Episode 21 is the wrap -up and

kind of finale kind of thing to crown the champion

and talk about how the tournament went and all

that good stuff. So that's what's going on there.

And we'll have a variety, possibly a variety

of different hosts along the way, depending on

scheduling. But today, like you said, obviously

we have myself, Mike and Steve, but I want to

go around the table and get everybody, introduce

Nate and Neil and kind of everybody's video game

backgrounds just real quickly. So Mike, why don't

you start with kind of your, what video games

did you like growing up or what? What platforms

do you like? I started out as a kid with an Atari

2600 and playing Barnstormers and all that good

stuff. I eventually graduated to playing my cousin's

NES and we all sat around and played Duck Hunt

because it was the most interactive. Duck Hunt

is what the Wii U and all the Wii Fit and all

the motion sensor crap they have today. That's

what it was back in our day. What? Nothing. back

in my day. So that's kind of where I started.

My very first video game system, I'm very sad

to say that I made the wrong choice, was a Sega

Master System. Yeah, I know, right? I played

crap like Alex Kidd, Lost in the Stars, and Reggie

Jackson's baseball. You know all that good good

stuff and eventually I graduated to Super Nintendo

PlayStation 1 & 2 I hate Microsoft with a passion

when it comes to game consoles because I am a

person with a mild cases for uber palsy So when

I play video games, I play them one -handed And

Microsoft's controllers for the X bone are just

horrible awful things For you in general. Yeah

Steve, what about you? What's your just quick

background in video games? Mine dates all the

way back to Microsoft, Windows 3 .1, DOS era,

and then I've played and owned anything from

a Super Nintendo to Sega Genesis to PlayStation

2, Xbox 360, and I've also played the old Atari

stuff and Commodore 64. Alright, Neil? I started

out on the Atari 2600 as well, but I don't really

have fond memories of that. So I really started

with the NES and worked my way up to the Super

Nintendo and the GameCube and the Saturn and

PlayStation 1 and 2. Those are basically my favorite

systems. Cool. Nate, I don't think it's possible

for you to sum this up quickly, but do your best

shot. Oh, it's super easy. All right. First game,

Super Mario Brothers. for the regular Nintendo.

I've been playing console games for my entire

life. I've been playing PC games for the last

few years because I never had enough money to

get a nice PC, but I finally did and it's awesome.

How many consoles do you currently have? One,

two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. And

then I have... Over 400 hard copy games and over

500 now digital games because I like video games.

That's why you're here. Do you have a favorite

game? Donkey Kong Country 2. All right. As for

myself, I was more of a video game junkie way

on early on in life. I was, I guess, one of the

only people. in my neighborhood that was into

games before Nintendo came around. So I had the

Intellivision, we had the Commodore 64, Pong,

graduated into some version of an IBM at some

point, and then obviously into the Nintendos.

I've never owned anything but Nintendo products,

so I've never owned a PlayStation or Xbox, but

all the Nintendo products until Wii came out,

so that's kind of my background with that. All

right, anybody else have any comments or things,

Mike or Steve, before we get going? Another way

to kind of keep up with it is on the top of the

main page of the website after each round. The

image will be updated so you can click there

and keep up to date as well And we'll make a

Mike will be making plenty of Facebook posts

and tweets about the tournament as we go through

these next seven weeks So if you're not following

us on Facebook or Twitter You need to do that

and then Mike will keep you up to date Like he

does such a good job with all the other shows.

So that's your best way to stay informed Alright,

so we will start today with the first battle

and we will just reveal the Competitors, each

time we get to a new battle, we'll give everybody

a chance to kind of discuss the merits of both

characters and who they think should win, and

then we'll move on and give you guys some food

for thought as you just try to decide who you're

going to vote for. No better place to start,

I don't think, than with probably two of the

most known and iconic video game characters that

we've ever had. So our first battle will pit

Mario. Against Luigi So so no chance for these

guys showing up in the finale here. They got

to show up Show up against each other in round

one Nate I'm on start with you. Give me a real

quick Background or what are these two characters

bring to bring to the table and kind of what

are their strengths or weaknesses in your mind?

Are we talking in this battle that they're waging

is this a metaphorical battle or is this like

they're actually like fighting each other. They

are actually fighting each other, going up against

each other in some type of... It's like playing

a 32 bracket Super Smash Brothers. So it's not

like, oh well I think that Luigi is a stronger

character because he has more personality and...

No, if those two are dropped in the middle of

some barren landscape or some whatever setting

you want to put it in, the jungle or the forest,

and there can only be one survivor who survives.

Alright, well... Mario. He has more abilities

and he uses them more confidently than Luigi

has ever shown. What kind of abilities are we

talking about? Like, I don't know, catsuits and

fire, that kind of stuff. Mushrooms that make

them grow. But I mean, Luigi can use all that

stuff too. But Mario's going to be able to use

them better because he's just more confident.

individual with all of his platforming prowess.

I don't even know what I'm talking about. It's

amazing. I'm glad I'm on this one. Go ahead.

Well, Nick comes up with a couple more ideas

about why Mario would win. Neil, what do you

think? Oh, I think Mario would take it just because

if you've ever played Lost Levels, you know that

Luigi has that kind of floaty jump and he slides

extra far. So he'd probably just slide into a

pit and Mario would win automatically. Yeah.

What if all the important things that they could

use were propped up on a higher level? Does Luigi's

height mean nothing in this? Nope. No, because

his jump sucks. Every single game in the last

30 odd years now, every game that they create

and use Luigi in it as Mario's brother, his jump

is horrible. I don't know, man. I think... Like

playing as Luigi on Super Mario Galaxy is like

the most fun to have ever. Okay, well jumping

in space is a little different than jump. I'm

talking like the regular games. Luigi's jump

has always been ass backwards. I use Luigi usually

if I get a chance. I always use Luigi if I have

a chance. That's why I'm kind of a... Trying

to come up with an argument. I don't know necessarily

what I can it has Luigi He hasn't been able to

use all of the suits that Mario has in the past.

Has he well, I mean there's games There's games

where Luigi hasn't been in and Mario. It's just

been Mario Right like like Super Mario RPG Luigi

was Luigi in Super Mario RPG During the end credits.

Yeah He turned evil in the second Paper Mario

game. Okay. Sort of. So is Luigi more of the

evil character? Not really. I think that one

game he just got jealous of. He became kind of

a villain. I think he's like the bastard child

of Nintendo to Mario. He kind of shows up whenever

Mario doesn't feel like being there. Steve, do

you think this one's an easy one for Mario too?

I mean, you know... Could we have a more close

matchup between two characters? I think they're

pretty close and evenly matched. I mean, they

both throw fireballs. I mean, Luigi's is the

color of his pants and Mario's is the color of

his pants. And, you know, when you throw them

together, you have just a weird color. It's like

a dirty brown. Yeah, it's almost like a dirty

brown. Wow, that's kind of shitty. But no, I

mean, their powers are pretty evenly matched.

I mean, they do pretty much the same thing. The

only difference I would kind of say is besides

their height and, you know, who you like better

as far as the character is, you know, really

their difference is the jumps. I mean, Mario's

more of the kind of the regular jump. However,

Luigi kind of almost jumps higher in his wannabe

Sonic the Hedgehog run when he is flying in the

air. Mario's more sure -footed with his jumps.

Yeah. Mario seems to land more evenly and you

kind of know where he's going to go whereas Luigi

You're not sure if he's gonna fall on a pit So

I would almost argue Mario would stomp him Mike

agreed Absolutely Mario all the way also Luigi's

height sometimes hinders him because it's a You

know, you can't fit under those nicely sized

boxes can hit him You know, everyone always,

and Neil, this so reminds me of that episode,

brother versus brother, but anyway, you know,

you gotta look at Luigi and think, wow, really,

they should be saying that he hits his head on

the bricks more than Mario because Luigi is so

damn tall. I mean, I could just see him walking

into a house and hitting his head on the arch

ceilings. A funny note on that is that in the...

in the All -Stars version of Super Mario World,

he actually does hit the bricks with his head.

It's like that version of Luigi is like everything

that everyone got wrong about the Mario Brothers.

He hits bricks with his head, he spits fireballs,

and he slides down hills on his knees. It's the

weirdest Luigi sprite ever. I would think unless

Luigi has some type of cult following that somehow

finds out about this tournament and really is

trying to push him through, based on what we

kind of saw with the first tournament that we

did, sometimes it's the... more known character

the favorite character that wins regardless i'm

hoping people will look at this a little bit

more um analytically and try to pick some winners

out as much as you can in this fun type of tournament

but uh i think mario definitely has the the more

well -known iconic stance going for him if voting

patterns hold true we will have to see on that

as far as us i guess it's unanimous that mario

would win this battle which takes us to battle

number two we're going to stay somewhat in the

same uh Family here someone in the same type

of game and we will look at the Yoshi battling

toad Now before you say who your winner is on

this one Nate what what are some strengths or

weaknesses of either character? Toad talks like

a weirdo and Yoshi is awesome He is awesome.

Toad is fast. Toad is a very fast character in

the newer games. In Mario 3D World, he is the

fastest character. But Yoshi's got a really nice

jump. And he's completely invulnerable. Oh wait!

Yoshi's completely invulnerable because every

time he gets hit, he just runs around like he's

scared. He never dies unless he falls off a ledge.

And he, I mean... Can he just eat Toad, basically?

Oh, he could. And spit him out, yeah. Toadstool?

See, that's why Toad's never been in a Smash.

He'll literally be a Toadstool. Right. What can

toad do against this this Yoshi character that's

running around with his tongue out trying to

eat him What toad's defense here anybody? Whining

like a little bitch, maybe I don't know poison

mushroom Yoshi will just eat that too it won't

affect him. Yeah, it's true Toads pretty crappy

character. I'm sorry in terms of fights Yeah,

I mean he is fast, so if anybody can try to outmaneuver

Yoshi's tongue, maybe it's Toad? Uh, his tongue's

really fast though. But what's he gonna do to

Yoshi? I don't know if he has any offense against

Yoshi. Dude, no one has any offense against Yoshi.

Yoshi's a good Yoshi. He's literally vulnerable.

He's a competitor in here. Someone's gotta have

to trick him to fall off a ledge or something

eventually. Oh my god. Neil, what do you think

about Yoshi and Toad? I can't wait to hear this.

I gotta give it to Yoshi, just cause uh... Don't

know toad is he's useful in Super Mario 2. That's

the only context I have for him, but he's not

very maneuverable, so I Don't see him getting

away Does anyone play as toad when they have

a chance to play as any other character? No only

when I speed running Not even then because the

only time I've ever tried to play as toad is

in Super Mario 2 and he even sucks there Just

no He picks up the vegetables very fast. Yeah,

he's good if you like extra lives. Yeah, that's

true. Alright, so Steve, any other thoughts on

Yoshi and Toad or is this a pretty quick and

clean cut one? I would say it's pretty clear

cut. Yoshi would just eat them and spit them

out and it would pretty much be over. In Yoshi,

you get him going fast enough. Kind of almost

fly. He's got all those powers, too He can like

eat different shells and like fly you know and

he can he can jump on things that are Impenetrable,

I know he's amazing. He's like the ultimate pet

I'm worried Yoshi's gonna win the whole thing.

That'll be a fix. You can shit life, there's

no end. That's when it'll come down to the specific

strengths and weaknesses of characters. Obviously

this first round, what we see in these tournaments,

obviously the first round is a little bit more

of some blowout matches, sometimes, and it gets

harder as we go through as we get different skill

sets, so we'll have to see. But keep your eyes

on Yoshi, because he's got some pretty strong

strengths. if I want to be repetitive. Moving

on to our third matchup on this side of the bracket.

Interesting one. Interested to see what you all

will say. I have a feeling I know where it's

going, but let's see here. We basically have

Princess Peach, which you guys were talking a

little bit I think beforehand, and Zelda. So

we have the all -female matchup going here with

Princess and Zelda. Royalty against royalty.

Neil, what do you think about these two? What

does each one have going for them? Princess has

survived many years in dungeons. People have

to fight through dungeons to get to her. Peach

has the floaty jump. But Zelda can wield the

arrows. I gotta give it to Zelda. Peach tries

to fly around and Zelda could just zap her out

of the air. Nate, what do you think? What strengths

and weaknesses does each one have? Well, I just

recently played Hyrule Warriors and you get to

play Zelda and she's a badass. Also, she was

chic. I mean, she like cross dressed and was

like, I'm a dude kind of, but everyone's like,

no, you're not. And then and she was just like,

she can hold her own. So, I mean, she's not.

Obviously not the most powerful person, but she

can definitely take Peach. Does Peach have anything

going for her besides her jump? She makes really

good cakes. She has parachute pants. Fan art

on DeviantArt. So can she try to distract Zelda

with her cooking and her baking abilities? No.

Steve, what do you think? I definitely think

Zelda just because not only the turning into

Sheik thing and and having all the different

actual fighting abilities whereas Peach is more

or less throwing an umbrella at you and Jumping

really high showing you underneath her dress

That would distract Mario But Yeah, it's it's

kind of no contest here. She's She's outmatched

by Zelda. Yeah, that's kind of how I thought

it would go. I mean, Peach does have that survival

factor going for her. She survived through so

many games of being in dungeons and being captured,

but she doesn't really do anything. She has no

offense going for her jump. Well, she kind of

has the powers that she has in Super Princess

Peach, where she has the powers of her emotions.

But they're not that useful, so... I don't, yeah,

and they might be useful against some. I don't

know if Zelda would be the right opponent to

try to use any type of powers of emotion. You're

not going to be able to cry your way out of that

one. Alright, so unanimous here again. So far

we haven't had too many arguments. Maybe we'll

get there soon, who knows. In our fourth matchup

on this side of the bracket, another interesting

one here for me. I don't know exactly how we're

going to go on this one. I have a feeling, but

could go either way I think. And that is Link.

against Lil Mac from the Punch Out series against

Link from obviously the Zelda series. Obviously

we have an actual fighter here in Lil Mac. We

got a trained boxer who can go against the likes

of freaking Mike Tyson. And then we have Link.

who obviously has battled through all kinds of

different worlds and different villains with

his sword and his shield and his arrows and all

kinds of different artifacts that he picks up

along the way. This one is a little more interesting.

It might be an issue of does the battle take

place at a more of a farther range or is it a

close hand -to -hand type combat? Steve, what

do you think on this one? I'm kind of I'm kind

of calculating in my head, but it's actually

funny little Mac is actually in Super Smash Brothers

4 now And he is ridiculous So it's it's it's

it I would be interested to see how that plays

out, but anyhow If it's a close -in battle I

think little Mac would just knock knock link

right out and it would just be a knockout However,

if it's like a distance thing Or even if it's

even close up link could pull his sword or shoot

him with an arrow and take him down All he's

got is his fist but at the same time as if if

if he dodges just right gives him an uppercut

He could knock him out. So I mean it's kind of

a close one Little Mac by far is the stronger

of the two I would think you would argue or the

more You know hand -to -hand the better fighter,

but link definitely has more at his disposal

as far as and he's smaller Yeah, and he has a

diverse kind of bag of tricks so to speak Neil.

What do you think on this one? Well little Mac

could Could win if he got in close range, but

he's got to get there first And unfortunately

for him, Link's got arrows, he's got a bomb,

he's got a boomerang, he's got a whole arsenal

of stuff that he can just throw at Little Mac,

and I don't think Little Mac would even have

a chance. Agree or disagree, Mike? I mean, I

agree with Neil, because all this Link has to

do is, you know, jump into the pass, grab the

fire rod, and set Little Mac on fire. I don't

think he even has to be that complicated. Well,

no, but I'm just saying, like, if you're looking

at it as a distance attack... I think my only

issue with this round and the previous round

is you're going to have whoever wins, and I'm

assuming... Don't look into the future. I'm just

saying it's going to be weird if Link and Zelda

win their rounds and then they have to face each

other. And then it's the teacher against the

students It's divorce Oh snap, it's divorce court

all over again Nate does a little Mac have any

chance in this? I think he does I'm actually

voting for a little Mac cuz he He's so fast in

in Smash Brothers that he could dodge anything

that That link wants to throw at him So you think

he'll be able to get up close and then bring

the fight kind of hand -to -hand? yeah he's almost

as fast as sonic like he's insane that's pretty

impressive and he can take a hit yeah yeah and

uh i mean he's just like he just punches everything

so if link shot stuff at him could he just punch

it out of the air and not even worry about it

well yeah i mean he could punch the bombs yeah

he's got those those uh i think he's got something

special with those gloves on If anybody can take

a hit it's definitely little Mac. I mean he can

be bloodied and bruised and bruised and bruised

and black -eyed and you know all kinds of stuff

He still might be able to get up by the count

of ten So it would take a knockout hit from link.

Does he have a knockout hit in his arsenal there

Steve? This is still kind of a tough one, but

I'm gonna lean more towards link only because

he has more gear Mm -hmm. Even though I think

that it would be pretty close. So this is like

Batman where it's like, does he have time to

prepare? Yeah, if he doesn't have time to prepare,

it's like I said, it could be just a one -hit

knockout and done. Yeah, and they've definitely

never faced someone with the skills that each

has. All right, let me ask you guys a question.

Yeah. Since Link has all these weapons and everything

else, what if he just cuts Little Mac's hands

off with his sword? Then how's Little Mac gonna

fight? It's Link all the way! Little Mac would

dodge it first! Right, sure. He dodges punches

from Mike Tyson. You know how fast Mike Tyson

punched in that game? He is the fastest person

alive! So what you're telling me is he's the

Chuck Norris of boxing? Yes. Yeah. Okay, then

he'd win. He's the Chuck Norris of Nintendo boxing!

That's so ridiculous. to think of So we got we

got Nate firmly voting for little Mac on this

one I'm assuming Mike and Neil you're not you're

not shifting away from your votes for link. Nope

Steve I'm gonna go link Man that's tough. I honestly

don't know who how that would turn out. I don't

know if little Mac can dodge enough where I mean,

he's got good stamina. He can fight for, you

know, multiple rounds at a time, but he would

have to dodge for a long time and still have

the stamina to keep that up until he can somehow

get that close range and then still be able to,

I don't know if Link has that knockout punch,

but it might not take that. It might just take

one little bomb placed just right. So Link definitely

has, go ahead. And he's got Doc Lewis in his

corner, don't forget that. Join the Nintendo

Fun Club today! We didn't mention it, but Link

obviously does have the shield to protect against

some of those hits. It's not made of vibranium

so it will shatter. Oh please, there's no way

in hell little Matt can punch that hard to destroy

Link's shield. I'm wondering if the size differential

between the two characters is similar to what

it is in Punch -Out! Is Link going to be towering

over Little Mac like Glass Joe would? Because

even Glass Joe towers over Little Mac. That's

true. I don't know how big Link is in comparison.

It could be Toon Link, you don't know. Oh no.

Alright, so that is the first four battles we

have we're gonna move on to the second half of

the today's episode Looking at some different

competitors now Interested to see because I don't

know a lot about one of these characters So I'm

interested to see what you guys say as far as

strengths and weaknesses our fifth battle of

the day will pit Mega Man Against beautiful Joe

So we have beautiful Joe and Mega Man I don't

know anything about beautiful Joe Nate. What

does he have going for him or against him? Beautiful

Joe is a... He's a dude that went to the movies,

and then he got sucked into a movie and he had

to save his girlfriend, and then he got turned

into a superhero, and then he can slow down time

and punch stuff. He's pretty sweet. So he's basically

an amalgamation of Scott Pilgrim and Kevin Keen,

aka Captain and the Game Master. Kind of. And

then he goes, hitchin' a go -go, baby! And it's

amazing. So he can punch Mega Man, and he can

slow down time. You have to see him in action.

He punches very fast. He can slow down time.

He can speed up time, which is good if there's

a fire. I don't remember how the game works.

So what it is, is he's designed to emulate camera

tricks in movies, such as The Matrix. So like

slow motion, max speed, or zoom. And then he

has like, yeah. Mega Man has a pretty good arsenal

himself. He does. And Mega Man can steal. If

he's already beaten all the end guys. If he's

beaten all the end guys and gotten all their

powers in all his games, and he has all those

in his bag of tricks, then he's definitely a

formidable opponent. If he's on level one of

the first game, maybe a little bit easier target.

Right. I think that sums that up very well. If

he's gotten all the powers from all the different

end guys from all the different Mega Man games,

does he have anything that can compete with slowing

down or passing? he he actually he has a freeze

time ability in one of the games so he has a

black hole that he could suck him into that okay

that that's is that canon like that was uh it

wasn't one of the games it was like x3 i thought

it was uh one of the newer ones like megaman

9 or 10 i think it was not i was like x3 oh regardless

um his ability to freeze time should directly

Or do whatever should combat with one of beautiful

Joe's strengths. I Don't know. I've never played

any of the beautiful Joe games Neil. Have you?

No, but I've played Mega Man and I can tell you

right away. He would only need one weapon and

that would be the metal blade He's got the metal

blade beautiful Joe is is toast So I'm gonna

give it to Mega Man. They're only allowed to

have eight weapons at a time or like what's the

deal with that? Well, you can have what it was

in this in the storage reset mode Yeah, every

time he saves the world, they're like, oh, we'll

never need your weapons again. Same reason Samus

always dumps her powers for some reason. But

Mega Man does have somewhat of a chameleon ability

in this tournament where he might have a weapon

to combat any opponent that he comes against.

I mean, maybe not, but... He's almost like, in

a sense, almost like Kirby. Because he can...

Whoever he defeats or you know and Kirby's a

little bit different situation but Mega Man whoever

he defeats he gets the powers of and then on

top of that he gets you know upgrades as he goes

along and that kind of stuff so I Would almost

argue Mega Man would kick his ass Nate agree

or disagree I'm I'm gonna go with Mega Man because

he's got all the abilities And he has, I mean,

like, if you want to talk of, like, he just has

the better game, too. Well, that's why the longevity

of it. I mean, you have all these different Mega

Man games compared to Beautiful Joe. And we know

Mega Man has the ability for very precise jumping

and grabbing onto ladders and things, because

if he didn't have that, he would die a thousand

times in each game that he ever appeared in.

So he's got that going for him. Mike, a vote

for Mega Man? Oh yeah, absolutely. Just because

I want to see him fight Yoshi at some point because

I wonder if he has a weapon to fight Yoshi. But

you're not supposed to think about that. I don't

care. One day at a time, sir. It's my podcast.

I'll do what I want to. So if Mega Man beats

Beautiful Joe, does he get Beautiful Joe's powers?

That's what I'm saying. Yes, yes he does. Oh

man. So does that mean that he keeps them throughout

the tournament? Sure, why not? That would just

be almost unfair. He'd have to reset after each

round. He'd have to lose another one just to

gain that one. Unfortunately, he has a thousand

to choose from since he's been in 800 games.

Moving on to our sixth battle. Find this one

somewhat interesting here. I know Nate, you'll

be siding with one person in particular on this

one. We have Donkey Kong. I guess technically

that's Donkey Kong. Junior? No, it's Donkey Kong.

Okay, which one are we talking about? We're talking

about... Junior has the hat. Okay, Donkey Kong,

but not like the... Is that the one with the

tie? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that is Donkey Kong Jr.

Yeah, because... What? No. Yeah, because originally,

the original Donkey Kong was back in the day.

Yup. And then, uh, Donkey Kong... This is Donkey

Kong Country, Donkey Kong. Nintendo can't even

keep this straight. No, no, it's straight up.

They said it in the game. I think. Maybe one.

Diddy Kong Jr. is the one with the hat. No, no,

but the Diddy K with the tie is the grown -up

version of the Don Kong Jr. with the hat. Swear

to God. Diddy Kong's the one with the hat. Diddy

Kong's not related to Don Kong. No, that's...

Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. What are you talking

about? No, no, not Diddy... Okay, Don Kong Jr.,

that's not Diddy Kong. Donkey Kong Jr. is the

one in the in the little onesie from the yeah,

he's in Donkey Kong Country 3 That's not the

one we're talking about. No, no, no, no, that's

that's kitty Kong Okay, okay, okay damn you rare

We're just gonna call him Donkey Kong for the

sake of it we're not counting those games where

he throws the barrels this is This is Donkey

Kong Country Donkey Kong And he is fighting Fox

McCloud from Star Fox. Does he get to go? That

is a good question. So we have our first two,

I guess you'd call it the animal matchup. So

we have... Beastiality fight? Donkey Kong from

Donkey Kong Country against Fox McCloud from

Star Fox. Nate, you start with this one, break

it down a little bit before you tell us who you

think is going to win. Okay, so you got Star

Fox and he's got a really sweet ride that can

pew -pew lasers But once you get him on the ground,

he's worthless like he has a gun Well, whatever

Have you played Star Fox Adventures? It's not

that fun He's not a great Like I'm gonna go around

and look for things. He looks cool. He does look

he's got a great design probably better than

dog gum too, but If we're talking about just

fighting, I guess if he's in a plane and Donkey

Kong's just hanging out in his jungle, then,

like, he would shoot the jungle. But if he's

out of the plane, then Donkey Kong would just,

like, run up and be like, Ground pound! Even

if he's in the plane, can't Donkey Kong just

throw a barrel or something at the plane and

knock it out of the air? Or jump in a barrel

and shoot himself at the plane? Well, he's almost

like the Incredible Hulk of Nintendo. Yeah, he

could jump into one of those star barrels and

shoot himself at the plane. Yes. I think that

would be an effective route to take there. He

did take down an entire pirate ship that way.

Yeah. And he could jump on a rhino or a dolphin.

Yep, he's got his ant friends. And collect bananas.

And he can collect bananas. He's got way better

friends, too, because, like, no one cares about

Slippy the Toad. He could throw a barrage of

machine gun banana type things at Fox McCloud.

I don't know anything, I don't know besides Fox

McCloud having the vehicle if he hadn't played

the Star Fox series. No. He shoots other planes

and then a giant face. That's the game. It's

a good game, it's a really good game. Okay, I'm

basing my opinion off of... playing them on Super

Smash Brothers. That's a good way to think about

it. Because I've actually pitted them together.

I've had every combination in those games. So,

Star Fox in those games has the ability to have

like this almost rocket power where he collides

into people and he shoots his laser gun and he

could run really fast, kind of knocking you on

your ass. Whereas Donkey Kong is kind of sluggish

and big and slow and however Fox I think is almost

kind of They're both at a disadvantage to some

degree because Donkey Kong he's got his ground

pounder he can throw you or he can throw something

at you so in that sense he could probably wipe

him out, but Star Fox all he has to do is either

call his Minions or his ship and laserbomb him

off the whatever terrain he's on. It's kind of

a toss up there. How do you see it going down?

I don't know. Donkey Kong, he needs his support.

Fox doesn't seem to really need, not that his

support isn't great, but he doesn't... He's like

Rocket Raccoon. Fox doesn't seem to need any

support so I'm almost gonna lean towards Fox

because the only way Donkey Kong can win this

I mean it's not like he can dress in drag and

do the hula to distract him. Have you seen the

Donkey Kong Country Fox Family show? Sadly, yes.

It is hilarious. Pretty sure that actually happens.

It also happens in Captain N. There's a point

where Mother Brain takes over his brain and she

puts a dress on him. I like the idea that Donkey

Kong can either shoot himself or throw something

at the plane to take that advantage away from

Fox. I don't know... You know, based on the games,

how easy it was to hurt Fox. I don't know how

much he could take a hit, but I know that Donkey

Kong can't. He should be able to, but as far

as the games go, he just even touches an enemy.

That's not good for him. Even though he can bash

into a lot of them or do barrel rolls and take

care of them. Nate, can Fox take a hit or is

it one shot and he's hurt too? Well, I mean,

he has a ship always that, you know, protects

him because he has a shield on it and whatnot.

But outside of that if he was away from that

ship, he'd probably be hurt with one hit, too.

I don't know. I haven't played Star Fox Adventures

enough. I own it. I just haven't played it yet.

Because I'm dumb. Which way are you leaning,

Nate? I know that... I definitely want to go

for Donkey Kong. Alright, Neil, what do you think?

No, I'm gonna go for Donkey Kong! I'm gonna go

for Fox. Fox has the intelligence factor. See,

because Fox can outsmart Donkey Kong. All he

has to do is, like, use Slippy and Falco for

decoys and have Peppy do a barrel roll for some

reason, and he just uses guns and take out Donkey

Kong. Donkey Kong can probably be too distracted

by collecting bananas anyway. Yep! But he's more

fun than... I like collecting bananas. Me too.

Yeah, I don't know. I think this will be one

of the ones that's interesting to see how the

voters will vote and how they see that going

down. Steve? I'm going to vote Star Fox just

because, and I like the Donkey Kong games, don't

get me wrong, but I'm also agreeing with Neil

as far as the intelligence factor and the fact

that when you play Super Smash Brothers, any

of them, he is a royal pain in the ass if you

punch him up to level nine. Gotcha. He takes

out everybody. All right. So you'll have to give

us your thoughts on how that battle goes down.

I will be probably one of the most intriguing

matchups we've had so far. I'll definitely be

looking to see how the people vote on that one

to see who advances in our second to last battle

today. We only got two more to go here. Number

seven. Let's see what you guys think about this

one. We have Bomberman against Conker. Oh, that's

an interesting one. Nate, break down each one.

What do they do in their games? What do they

have for strengths and weaknesses? Okay, so just

to put it out there, I haven't played Conqueror's

Bad Fur Day because when it came out, my mom

wanted to let me, and now that I'm an adult...

Your mom won't let you? No, now that I'm an adult,

it's way too expensive. Emulators, dude. I should,

but I don't. But, I mean, I've seen it played,

so there's that. I don't know, what was your

question? What does each one have going for?

Bomberman, Conker, what do they have going for

him? Well, Bomberman has his bombs, obviously.

He was in a racing game once. Well, I guess so

was Conker. Bomberman's got a ton of weapons.

He does Let me change his color. He's got the

bomb kick. He's got he's got he's got this little

riding thing It's kind of like Yoshi's he's got

the power glove. It's so bad. It's so bad He's

got the he does have the power glove. Yeah See

you get like multiple bombs. You can get like

it super big exploding bombs. He's He can I would

have to give it the bomber man What does Conker

have going for him? I've never played those games

either. I don't know. She's a crazy ass squirrel.

Yeah. Squirrels are relentless. That is true.

Yeah, they like their nuts. Maybe, but that might

play right into it because Bomberman could throw

bombs the size of nuts and just trick Conker

into eating them. I don't know. Or stuffing them

in his mouth for winter. Until you guys said

the name of the squirrel villain, I'm like, hey,

it's a cheap knockoff of screwy squirrel. What

the hell? Steve, what do you think on this one?

I'm going to go Bomberman just because originally

Conker was a spinoff from Diddy Kong Racing and

Bomberman was his own, more or less. Plus...

He's got all the powers, so I think he'd just

blow the squirrel away. Can Bomberman conquer

Conquer? Yep. Alright, so that takes us to our

final matchup of today, at least. I know some

people said that I shouldn't include this character

in the tournament, but I am anyways. I'm not

saying that he will win automatically, because

I think we got to judge each matchup as it goes,

and there's got to be a way to beat him. This

matchup will see Pikachu facing off against Kirby.

Well, Kirby can't die. I don't think there's

ever a Kirby game where he has ever died. He's

like Flubber. Yeah. But there's got to be a way

to render him somewhat in a position where he

can't continue. Well, you could, you know, well.

I don't know. Wait till he turns to a rock and

let him go in the water and sink and electrocute

him? What if it was like those old -style wrestling

matches where you just have to knock somebody

out of the ring? Well, I mean... He bounced.

Sumo. He would bounce. He counted out? He's got

the flying ability. Maybe a combatant can just

work out, like Neil said, to try to factor in

the count out of professional wrestling and just

get him... out of the ring for 10 seconds or

whatever you have to do in our matchup. I don't

think Kirby... Go ahead. I'm sorry. No. I was

gonna say, I don't know if Kirby's aggressive

enough to win. Like, he would get into a fight,

but then just be like, let's be friends! And

then like, you know, someone would just cream

him. So you could use his naivety to beat him?

Can Pikachu do that? Pikachu's... Hmm, I don't

know cuz like they would they would just get

together and be friends and everyone would be

happy Like I don't know this would this would

be a really weird fight to see because I don't

there's no reason for them to fight They have

to it's it's too bad that Kirby isn't a relative

of Jigglypuff because he could just put Pikachu

to sleep. I was going to say that. I mean, this

picture, you guys will have to look at it on

the post and the podcast. The picture of Kirby,

I swear to God, looks just like Jigglypuff. But

for me, physically, all that Kirby would have

to do is start his vacu -suck mouth, suck Pikachu

in, and then blow him out. There's so many double

-encounters. I know, right? I know, right? The

only difference is I'll say them and Mike won't.

I just said it, damn it! So does Pikachu have

any means of attack unless he's like sneaky enough

to try to make... Kirby think they're friends

and not in a fighting spirit and then just like

push him out of the arena or something. I don't

think Pikachu is that cruel. I mean, if if you

had taken any other Pokemon character and put

them up against Kirby, you know, you know, be

really interesting in this in this battle here.

It would have been interesting if it was Kirby

versus Meowth, because Meowth would do anything

to kill Kirby. I think Pikachu is just way too

damn nice. I mean, sure, he does have a mean

streak to him, but that only comes out when his

friends have been attacked. So I think Kirby

would have to chew up and spit out Ash Ketchum

or somebody. Kirby would have to do something

to antagonize Pikachu. Like you guys say kind

of too naive and kind of just there. He's like

I'm still way too disturbed as to the knowledge

Mike has on the Pokemon franchise All right,

well, let's try to actually give I know this

one's kind of weird not necessarily see these

two fighting each other and maybe one is too

nice to beat anybody or at the same time With

such a weapon that he could run the whole table

on the whole tournament I've heard both arguments,

but if we were looking at just Kirby against

Pikachu Pick a winner in this one Steve I'm gonna

go Kirby not because he can you know suck him

up and blow him out But he can turn to stone

While he's in the air, even though Pikachu's

trying to electrocute him, and then drop right

on him and knock him out like a ton of bricks.

There we go, an actual arena scenario there.

Mike, who's the winner? It's gotta be Kirby.

I just don't think Pikachu's lightning would

ever have any effect on him. I think Kirby will

have weaknesses, and I think going against the

right competitor, he could lose. I don't think

that competitor is Pikachu. Neil, who wins on

this one? I gotta give it to Kirby. You guys

are talking about him being too nice. Being too

nice doesn't mean that he won't stumble into

a win anyway. Kirby is just kind of like a death

machine. He needs this happy -go -lucky pink

ball of fluff, which just kills things anyway.

So he would just suck in Pikachu and take his

powers, and that would be the end of it. They

should show so make like a horror film with Kirby

that you think it's gonna be just this kid -friendly

thing But it's really just him like wreaking

havoc on the world Be like a blob. Yeah the blob

to Nate what do you think who ultimately wins

this one? Kirby definitely Plus he's got better

games anyway There we go. It's another way to

look at it. So that is the Left side of the bracket

just to recap a little bit. We had we had Mario

unanimously beating Luigi We had Yoshi trouncing

Toad. Zelda taking it to the princess. I'll let

people insert their own joke there. We had a

mixed match up between Link and Lil Mac. People

voting on both sides of that one. We had Mega

Man shooting beautiful Joe out of the big screen

there. We had a half and half split almost with

Fox, McCloud, and Donkey Kong. We had a unanimous

vote for Bomberman over Conker and we also had

a unanimous vote for Kirby over Pikachu. Obviously,

there was a certain theme on this side of the

bracket. You'll have to stay tuned to see what

themes will be involved on the other half of

the bracket, but Steve, what do you think of

this side overall without projecting too far

into the future? I have my ideas of who's going

to win, but on this side... It's it's gonna be

a very close call though. A lot of these characters

I feel are very evenly matched with who they're

tied with Which is almost kind of different than

it's similar but different than the the previous

tournament that we did So I think this one's

a little little bit harder to kind of judge because

a lot of them are so Close to the abilities of

who they're tied with it's it's more of who can

get the upper hand with their special abilities

so I Some of it definitely is going to take looking

at each one specifically and how they match up

against that person. Even if you go into it thinking

one is stronger, they might have the necessary

tools to beat the other person. jumping into

who else decided on their characters. I think

the ones that I guessed, I think those are going

to make to the next round, but that's just my

personal opinion. And it will be interesting

to see based on the voters. I mean, depending

on how the people vote, we could have some very

interesting matchups in the quarterfinals there.

So or, you know, in round two, I guess it would

technically be. So in round two, it might be

interesting to see how these people match up

against each other and. Could be some interesting

ones. Mike, what do you think of round one so

far? I think the top of round one with Mario

and Luigi, I'm almost betting it's going to turn

out like how Skeletor and Hordak turned out.

We all guessed one thing and predicted one thing,

and it went the complete opposite way. That could

be. Without looking at the other half of the

bracket, without thinking about who's involved

on the other half, just looking at who we've

talked about so far today, Do you think this

side has some pretty good people as far as trying

to make the champion come from this side of the

bracket or do you think there's gonna be some

formidable opponents on the other half? It has

two that I'm hoping get fairly far. Only because

one can just cut people and the other one can

just shoot arrows at people. Or, as I tried to

say earlier, she can just use the Triforce against

people. But, I don't know. I mean, this sign

has some interesting ones. It's gonna be interesting

to see. I almost wish, I know this won't happen,

so I can go ahead and predict this, because I

know it cannot happen because of how the bracket

is set up. I almost wish that the tournament

would end in a stalemate between Mega Man and

Yoshi, because they can't kill each other. That's

true there. Nate, what do you think of the people

we've talked about so far? A good group of characters?

Sure. I know you have some favorites in there.

Yeah. I don't know. It's fun. I'm having fun.

Are you having fun? I'm having fun. Tournaments

are always fun. Neil, what do you think about

the people we've seen pitted against each other

so far? It's a pretty good group. I was a little

surprised to see no Samus, but that's okay. Yeah.

I think it's a pretty strong side of the bracket.

I mean, I don't know. I don't know what's on

the other side. Unless they have Segatosh Shanshiro

on the other side. I think Nintendo, this side

of the bracket, has got a pretty good fight.

What's the most interesting matchup we've talked

about today? What's the one that you're most

intrigued to see how the people vote? probably

toad versus uh Mike and I just watched the Mario

cartoons and I'm kind of sick of both characters

so I don't care who I don't care who wins but

I I am kind of curious to see how the fans vote

for it vote on it anyway I don't know yeah I

think for me it's probably either link against

lil mac I can definitely see people getting behind

either one of those um and then maybe fox and

donkey kong that intrigues me as well um mike

what about you match up your most intrigued to

see who who votes where you think mario luigi

might be the one Well, like Neil said, we just

finished the Mario era of Pixels and the Animation,

our video game cartoon review podcast, and both

characters are annoying as crap in the cartoons.

So I think that's going to be interesting. I

think it's going to be interesting to see how

many fans of each brother there are out there,

to see how many people vote for Mario or... I

think that's really what's going to be interesting,

is to see... how many people votes for either

one uh... to see who is like i said it could

turn out like we had last time we did the cartoon

villains where we had a horror act and skeletor

against each other and we all voted for that

and we all thought for that was going to do you

know skeletor and he said and and it turned out

that skeletor beat for that and went on to Yeah,

I mean, so it's gonna be interesting. What I'm

a little bit more interested in is to see how

the other side will... I almost wish we would

have fully mixed and matched the bracket, because

some of the characters from the other side, it

would have been interesting to see going up against

this side. have to wait and see if one of them

eventually does, obviously in the finals, and

which one that'll be. Steve, last thoughts on

this one. Real quick, we predicted on what maybe

some of the most intriguing matches are. Do you

have a prediction on what is the biggest blowout

of this half of the bracket? For each round?

Just the biggest one out of the eight matches

we talked about today. What's going to be the

most lopsided victory? Man, that's going to be

tough. I think it's going to be Link against

Little Mac. As the biggest one -sided victory?

Well, I don't know. I think it's going to be

the most different take on one. I don't know

if that's going to be the biggest blowout. I

think the biggest blowout is going to probably

be Kirby against Pikachu. Yeah, I'm thinking

either Kirby against Pikachu or Zelda against

Peach. Yeah, those are kind of... Like that the

rest of them it's it's kind of they could end

up anywhere depending on how people view them

and in their game ability So basically then it

is up to you guys the listeners to go to the

web page Find the episode post or just click

on the top of the web page where you see the

the tournament banner there And you got to let

your voices be heard More votes the better. So

we need you to cast your vote to determine Who

will move on? And then when you hear next episode,

the first thing we'll do is reveal your choices

for the winners on who's moving on on this side

of the bracket, and then we will get to reveal

the other half of the bracket. Mike, any last

thoughts before we close out? Nope. Alright,

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