GCRN – Top 100 TV Shows Countdown – Part 5 – Finale

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and welcome to the GeekCast Radio Network's Top

100 TV Shows Countdown. I am one of your hosts,

TFG, or Mike. Joining me is Optimus Solo and

Hard Candy Mandy. Hello. Hello. Hello, Dan. Hello.

How's it going? It's going and trying to be DJV

from... Wait, which show are you from? I don't

remember. Simplistic Reviews Podcast. It's me.

I'm the guy in the back. Okay, there we go. There

we go. And this is the finale night. This is

our top 100 TV shows finale. We've got several

topics that we're going to be breaking down.

We're actually going to be going over our personal

top 10 lists that we, part of our top 100 list

that we submitted for the overall list. We're

going to go over and explain why we had what

we had where we had it. uh steve megatron is

off in infomercial land somewhere not sure what

happened to him but uh yeah so dan where do we

want to start oh that's a good question um well

let's start with just kind of going over some

basic statistics of of the of the list to kind

of have an idea where you know where the overall

list stands some things to consider like where

What decades fared better? What networks and

all that good stuff? And I guess I'll start by

throwing out this question. You guys, you know,

we went through the list, but I don't know. I

know Kevin knows this information, but at a first

glance, if you were going to say what decade

had the most TV shows, what do you think it would

be? I'm going to refrain from answering. And

by decade, I mean the decade in which the show

first debuted. Oh, I'm going to say 90s. Yeah,

probably the 90s most likely. It was quite close.

It was the 1990s with 24 shows debuted in the

1990s. 21 shows debuted in the aughts. Is that

what they call it now? I don't even know. I don't

know. We ought not to bring that up again. 18

shows, just to show you, within the last 2010

to 2015. 18 shows for there. 15 shows in the

1980s. 6 shows from the 1970s. 10 shows from

the 1960s. and six shows from the 1950s. On that

same note, any idea what network, and I will

say one network overall pretty much, not dominated,

but had much more than any other network. NBC.

Yeah, I'm going to guess NBC. let's see. Yeah,

I'll probably have to go NBC as well. FX? No,

I don't think so. FX, you know, it fared well.

It had five shows, but no, you guys are again

right. It was NBC with 23 shows. The closest

to NBC was, let me take a look here, was actually

AMC? CBS with The Old Folks Network. with 15,

ABC had 14, HBO had 9, Netflix had 3, Syndicated

had 1, or sorry, Syndicated had 2. Fox had nine

shows. CW, which I combined. CNW, CNWB. We didn't

have any UPN shows, shocker. Well, Buffy was

kind of on UPN for a little while. Yeah, I kind

of combined those all into one for CW, and there

was four of those shows. And PBS had one show.

And BBC, the British broadcasting channel, had

three shows. We had like four or five from Comedy

Central, I think, too. Six from Comedy Central.

Six, okay. So just an idea there. And also broke

it down by number of seasons, like how many shows

had how many seasons. Any idea how many, what

shows, I don't even know how to phrase this,

but the average or the typical, the most amount

of seasons a show had. You're talking about what

was the most common length of the series? Yeah,

the most common repeated number of seasons. I'm

going to say seven seasons. That's just a complete

guess, though. Let's say five. I'm going with

five. I'll go with six, just in case. One dollar.

Kevin was right on the money. It was seven. Seven

seasons. Had 12 shows with seven seasons. Five

shows with... 11 shows with five seasons and

12 shows with... Sorry, 12 shows with 7 seasons

and 10 shows with 6 seasons. The longest running

show on the list, any guesses? Simpsons. Nope.

Sesame Street. Sesame Street. Oh, yeah, I forgot

about Sesame Street. With 46 seasons. Then comes...

It's older than everybody on this pod. Yes, then

comes Saturday Night Live. It's older than Roger

Moore. But yeah, that's some random statistics

there. I also, I did, for those that don't know,

I kind of ran the list again with using a different

metric where instead of kind of counting the

amount of points, I went with what is called

the limited rank or the average score. So basically

where everyone ranked it, I had to have at least

five people vote for it. And then the average

of where they ranked it within their top 100.

And I then ranked it based upon that. did see

some major changes there. So what that does,

though, it basically gives you more points for

being higher ranked rather than with the way

we currently have it, which kind of gives you

more points for more lists and things like that.

It also kind of eliminates the factor if you

aren't voting on shows that you haven't seen,

so it doesn't penalize a show for just not being

seen. Exactly, exactly. So it didn't majorly

change our list. Well, and some things stayed

the same. Some things majorly changed. Our top

10 would be completely different if we did it

that way. Ranking off of that, number one would

be Breaking Bad, then Seinfeld, then The Wire,

then Cheers, then Simpsons. and then Mr. Robot,

and then Money Python's Flying Circus, and then

The Daily Show, and I Love Lucy would make the

top 10 in that rank. Some interesting things

about that is that a lot of shows wouldn't actually

not be in the top 100 whatsoever. For example,

Louie, How I Met Your Mother, Modern Family,

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Scrubs, 30

Rock, Kids in the Hall. Also, Flash would not

make it within the top 100 doing it that way.

But Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D. still would.

Yeah, wait a second. Hold on here. Wait a minute.

Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D. The only superhero

shows that would make the list would be Daredevil

and Arrow, oddly enough, if we did it that way.

So that would eliminate a lot of those shows.

But it would also eliminate Andy Griffith and

a few other shows as well. But a lot of the modern

comedies would have been knocked off the list.

We saw a lot of with doing it that way. Because

what that tells you is a lot of people had those

shows on their list, but not a lot of people

had them very high, which is kind of why a lot

of them ended up making a list over a lot of

classic shows. The ironic thing for me out of

this whole thing, and I just realized this right

after we had recorded the bottom part of the

50, when we came to Arrow and it came in at 52,

that's exactly where I had it. One thing to consider,

too, if we did it that way, what shows would

be best impacted that way? What shows would have

the greatest impact on? Two shows that would

have a big impact on wanted to make it the list

either way, which would be Three's Company and

Last Week Tonight. But the next one, which is

quite interesting, CSI would go from not making

the list to being number 16. Yes! That was my

number one. Angel would go from not being on

the list to being number 47. Miami Vice would

make the list. Laverne and Shirley. A few other.

The Facts of Life would make the list. Golden

Girls would be higher. Perry Mason would make

the list. Gunsmoke would be higher. Golden Girls

would be higher is a funny sentence. They would

be. They would be baked out of their mind. WKRP

in Cincinnati would make the list. Boy Meets

World would make the list as well. It would actually

be higher. It would be within the top 15. So

to show you that. So there's a give and take

there. There's some benefits to it, and there's

some negative impact as well. Because it does

eliminate and not penalize the shows for not

being seen, but it also heightens some biasness

maybe that could show up in a heightened fashion.

Yeah. What I did too is any show that had less

than five, I didn't count. Right. There were

also a number of number ones that didn't make

the list this time, which I don't think that

happened in previous top 100s. But we had a few

this time around. Mike knows very well because

his number one did not make the list with Nash

Bridges. And also. the number one okay we're

not we're not at that we're not at the point

yet where we reveal our overall top 10 and discuss

why we have them where we have them but i'll

go ahead and say now for me personally nash bridges

and the shield are my two favorite cop shows

of all time and i know how the point system works

the higher you rank something the more points

it gets so just like kevin said a couple weeks

ago when he put cosby show wherever he put it

you know to get you know to get it on the list

that's exactly what i did with my number one

and hey it didn't work fine whatever some other

number ones that didn't make the list uh friday

night lights uh Taking a look. The Prisoner also

was number one as well. Smallville was number

one for a person. So there was a number of number

ones that didn't make the list this time around.

Because we had more lists. This year we had 29

lists. In the last two years we had only 20 lists.

So that nine extra lists made it kind of difficult

for a show to make it. That's why you saw a lot

of shows that, you know. people were aware of

or like were popular enough i think especially

within the the bottom half of the top 50 where

a lot of the modern shows tended to dominate

because People are more aware of them. They may

have more access to them or they're more in the

know where some of the more classic shows are

easy to forget. Are we even doing the top 100?

I mean, you know, some people mentioned missing

to put Honeymooners or Twilight Zone or not putting

other classic like Cosby on the list or high

enough. So I think that's why we saw a huge bias

or a huge influx of modern. show is because it's

easier to forget something that you haven't really

talked about in the last 20 years or so. I think

that's probably best evident. I know we gave

the decade stats, but think of it another way,

too. If you go from the year 2000 to the year,

until current, so just those last 15 years, that

composed 39 % of our list. If you take the first

40 years from the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, It

was only 37%. So you have 15 years at 39%. You

have the first 40 years at 37%. So really a lot

of strength in those last 15 years. Yeah, so

that's some interesting statistics there. I don't

know if you guys wanted to go over, too. I can

go over some of the shows that just barely missed

the top 100. Yeah, I think that's great. Maybe

the 10 that just missed it or 15 or whatever.

Sure. Let me pull those up real quick. So coming

in at, I'll start with 110. It's actually Conan,

the TBS Conan show. And there was a question

on, I think, the message boards or something

like that regarding, like, because Conan has

three different shows. I did separate them. So

some people voted for his TBS show. Some people

voted for The Tonight Show. Some people voted

for his Late Show. So they were all separated.

Voted based upon that. So that could be why some

of his shows didn't get higher. I think his late

show was the best of Conan. Yeah, definitely.

109 was Police Squad. 108, In Living Color. 107,

Murder, She Wrote. 106, Taxi. 105, CSI. 104,

Boardwalk Empire. 103, The King of the Hell.

102, The League, and 101, Tales from the Crypt.

Just barely. It had 393 points, and Saved by

the Bell had 394 points. Wow. It was rather close.

They're pretty similar shows. Yeah, they're basically

the same thing. They both have a Crypt Keeper.

Have you seen Mr. Belding lately? And I'm sure,

since Amanda would like to know, Family Matters

is 114 out of the list. That was my number one

favorite show that did not make the list. And

Columbo, I know some people asked about that.

Columbo was 111. It actually only missed the

list by about 20 points. So one person listing

it would have made the top 100. If you didn't

list it, it's your fault. So do you want to move

over? We already talked about it already, so

maybe it makes sense to kind of transition to

that. It's going to go over what we personally

put for our top five, top ten, and the mindset

we had in explaining why we did what we did.

Absolutely. But first, these messages. After

these messages, we'll be right back. Can Michael

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Maybe I should give you a name. But that's a

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I'm talking to an imaginary person. What I'm

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the world. I'm talking about the guys no one

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top 1 % of the top 1%, the guys that play God

without permission. And now I think they're following

me. He moonlights with Mr. Munson's taxi cab

on Saturdays. Hey, Mom, when's Daddy coming home?

Well, in his own words, when he's G .D. ready.

Myself. Something tells me any second now. Isn't

it sweet, Michael? She feels it in her heart.

No, I hear it at the door. Hiya, Daddy. Hi, Arch.

What's the matter with you? Nothing. No hello?

Even they said hello. They said hi. But you said

nothing. Well, I was going to say good evening.

Oh, skip it. Will you skip it? I've learned to

expect nothing but admiration from you anyhow.

It's almost seven, Daddy. You're late. He's always

late, except after coffee in the morning. Six

minutes later to the second, watch out. And God

forbid I'm in there shaving. Listen, the workers

in nature won't wait for no deadbeat who takes

all morning to shave. Hey, I'm not knocking it.

I think you're a marvel. You know, I can even

set my watch by how long it takes you to belch

after a bicarb. 22 seconds exactly. Now listen,

wise guy, you should have such a constitution,

huh? They'd have counted you out already if you'd

been in the accident I was just in. No, no, no,

they couldn't hate me, no. Well, what happened?

Well, it was this pushy dame, you know, the kind,

the yenta. She plows into the back of my cab.

And I mean plow. Wham! Oh, them people, they're

always rushing around, always in a hurry, trying

to get to a sale or something. Save four cents.

What a tribe. Now, back to the show. Do you see

how your patience paid off? So I know when I

was making my top ten, there's a lot of different

ways of doing it. And we talked about this, I

think. I don't know if we talked about it on

the podcast. But when I made my top ten, my thought

was, or when I made my list in general, was the

few things I ranked off of. First and foremost

was how great your show was. That was the number

one thing I considered was how great it was.

And also back in my mind, I was thinking, you

know, if I was just... provide my list as the

main list or promote it as like an article within

itself can i justify where i'm placing things

so that's why i didn't do things like or try

not to do things like place a show at a certain

like strategic point because i want to get it

at a certain like for example uh you know i really

love the office it's one of my all -time favorite

shows And I wanted to make the list, but I didn't.

I ranked it, you know, not even in my top 20

because I don't think it deserves that ranking.

Like, I think it went based upon how I felt good

the show was. So, for my top 10, some of these

we've already gone over. But at number one, I

had The West Wing. At two, I had The Wire. Three,

Twilight Zone. Four, Seinfeld. Five, All in the

Family. Six, Sopranos. Seven, I Love Lucy. 8th

Saturday Night Live, 9th Daily Show, and 10th

Breaking Bad. And honestly, this is probably

the 7th or 8th version of my list. I ranked it

a few different ways. I tried it by... breaking

it up by genre ranking genre and then ranking

it that way i tried by just starting with the

show and putting the show like okay i think this

one's better so it's going above i think this

one's worse so it's going below i did it by getting

a list of different shows and putting it into

like oh this is a top 25 show so it's in this

category this is a top 50 show so it's over here

and i honestly looking at my top 10 there's some

things that probably would change. Like I had

all on the family below Seinfeld. I went back

and forth on those a lot because I wanted to

wear what I put my best in. my best sitcom but

so it it was it was a challenge and i like like

i said i think i could probably do this again

and it would be completely different but uh kevin

what was kind of your mindset in doing your top

10 i know we talked about it a little bit but

you know what was your list and how did you come

about it do you really want me to try to explain

that um yeah all right just my hat and it's kind

of just i i guess i probably made my Thing a

little more complicated than it needed to be

what I guess my main Thing that I was going for

is I was trying at least at first to remove as

much biasness and Personal taste as I could to

try to be as objective as possible So first I

just tried to get like what kind of facts what

kind of data do I have out there that would maybe?

lend to a show possibly being worthy because

I didn't want to miss something that was just

like would have been stupid to miss because this

that or the other so I looked at I did a point

system and I gave different amount of points

based on how many seasons it was on so it was

kind of the longevity argument I looked at you

know critical acclaim through awards whether

it be Emmys or Golden Globes and I was strictly

just looking for best show like best comedy best

drama I wasn't looking for any of the kind of

supplemental awards or those types of things

I looked at television ratings as far as the

Nielsen ratings go just to see what was popular

that time and I'm not saying any of those were

worth more than the others it was just to try

to give me an idea of maybe as far as like shows

I'm not exposed to or shows from the past to

make sure I didn't forget any of that stuff but

I also did add to very much subjective categories

and one of them was just my shows that I personally

enjoyed personally liked beyond just hey this

is a fun show but stuff that i really got invested

into and then i also made probably the most important

category for me was uniqueness uh you can look

at that in a bunch of different ways whether

it be creativity whether it be um you know not

as many shows were like that or at least up to

that point hadn't been regardless of if they

got copied or cloned later on and so i kind of

added those formulated all that into a point

system and got my rankings and then kind of like

you dan i did a little bit of an eye test and

we would kind of go a little bit into the groups

and say do i really feel like this should be

in this group of 10 or should i bump it down

or up a little bit so i did kind of adjust things

on a personal level but the main reason i was

doing all the point system was so i did not forget

or just completely brush over something that

should have at least gotten attention not saying

that all the ones that got the most points made

my list there were some that i bumped off because

i wasn't i was you know, adamant that they don't

show up on my list. But at least it made me aware

of which shows were on that kind of level in

that system. So that's kind of how I did it.

What I ended up with is I ended up with The Cosby

Show at number one, All in the Family at number

two, Star Trek The Next Generation at three,

Law and Order, ER, Murder, She Wrote, I Love

Lucy, MASH, Cheers, and Seinfeld were my top

ten. DJ, let's go over to you. I know when a

few years come up, I think you mentioned you

kind of went based upon the way that show impacted

you, if I was not mistaken. Yeah, yeah. I took

mine more of a personal, because when you guys

first told me about it, I was like, okay, well,

give me the list of all the shows ever. And I

was like, okay, I'm just going to circle all

the shows that I really, really love. And then

I kind of, after I did that, I was like, okay,

would I be proud to hold this up? as one of my

top 10. And I mean, for my first two, my one

and two, they are mainly based on quality. But

I think after that, I kind of got more into stuff

that influenced me, stuff that I love, stuff

that I hold up as one of my favorite shows out

there and that are different than, you know,

I mean, because I have like Mystery Science Theater

3000 and Mr. Robot in my top 10, which are completely...

I want to say original takes on things as opposed

to like a traditional sitcom show that there's

maybe a billion of those. So, yeah, I was kind

of more of a personal thing for me. I was I was

voting with my heart, not my head. But the first

two, which my first I don't know if we're giving

up our top five right now, but my first one and

two, I think I would hold up against any show.

Yeah, you can go ahead and give your if you want

to give your five or ten. My first one was The

Wire. My second was Seinfeld. Third, this is

where it started getting a little personal for

me, Married with Children, then Mystery Science

Theater, then Justified because I grew up on

Westerns, and I was force -fed at gunpoint Westerns,

and Justified is one of the best modern Westerns

takes based on an Elmore Leonard book ever, and

I'm a huge Elmore Leonard fan. West Wing was

six, Mr. Robot, which I've never seen a show

like this. In probably 15 years, maybe. It's

one of the most original, awesome shows out there.

Seven. Buffy the Vampire Slayer, eight. 24, nine.

And Chappelle's Show, ten. Nice, nice. Amanda,

how about yourself? I think I had a little mix

of personal and things that I know are just popular

and quality shows that I had to mix in there.

Really, this task was so daunting, I had to enlist

the genius of Kevin, and he just printed the

list off me, and, you know, kept handing me things,

and I'm like, okay, you know, 70 to 100 now,

and... It was similar to what DJ was doing, where

you just had the whole list, and at your first

run through, just kind of circle all the shows

that you think, at least you consider for top

100, and kind of see how many you have, and then

start narrowing it down, was the approach we

took. So I just went to town with the highlighter,

and... I definitely had some personal flair to

my list, but I definitely added some, some shows

that I've never even seen, but I know are, you

know, have a high regard. My top 10, number 10,

I had American Horror Story, number nine, Dexter,

eight, Full House, seven, Walking Dead, six,

The X -Files, five, Supernatural, four, Game

of Thrones, three, Law and Order, two, Saturday

Night Live, and number one was CSI. So most of

your top 10 made it. and number two was number

one so yeah my number one didn't make it i was

really shocked about that um there's so many

spin -offs of csi there's so many episodes um

i seen so much of the show it's ridiculous it

seems like it's always on just like law and order

um but i think my top 10 had um definitely an

amanda feel but had some shows that uh what are

you saying there american horror story walking

dead uh exile supernatural she's a warlock she

didn't put she didn't put some of her other favorites

on there for the record so are you regretting

not putting supernatural higher to get it higher

in the list No, I didn't want to make a fool

of myself, so I put it at least at a reasonable

in -between row to number five. Mike, last but

not least, how about yourself? Looking at my

top ten, I have shows from the 80s to the 2000s

in my top ten. Like I said earlier, with my number

one and number two, I did it solely for points

to make sure they got on the list. but these

are the shows, because we've done this three

times now. We've done it with animated series,

animated films, and now this, because I know

my list is going to just go into a giant lottery

ball and be mixed in with everybody else's, and

that's how we get the overall list that we've

presented to people. I mainly had my top 10 out

of shows that I absolutely love for the most

part. And I think they do deserve to be on a

top 100 somewhere, not necessarily in the overall

top 10. I had The Flash at number 10. Don't care

what anyone says, that show is awesome. Cold

Case at number nine. Dharma and Greg at number

eight. Mad About You at number seven. Boy Meets

World at number six. The A -Team, Airwolf, Knight

Rider are my five through three. And then The

Shield and Nash Bridges are my two and one. I

think only one of my 80 shows did not make the

top. 100, which is Airwolf. I don't think Airwolf.

I don't remember Airwolf. I don't remember us

talking about it. You were the only one to vote

for it. Wow, yeah. Jan Michael Vincent's somewhere

crying. Alex Kord's tears are coming through

that eye patch. But for me, I know Knight Rider

like the back of my hand. I did a whole podcast

on the entire show, reviewed every episode, whatever.

With the A team, I remembered it, but it was

one of those things where I still needed to go

back and rewatch it. And I've been rewatching

it, and DJ knows this because I tag him on Twitter

every time I'm watching an episode half the time

now. Every random time I'll get some kind of

text message, which will be a line from Face

or Hannibal. I'm like, ah, this is a good day.

Yeah, I mean, the A -Team is such a classic 80s

show. It is probably the single best team -up

show. that has ever been on television when it

comes to those guys because their personalities

are all so different yet they work together so

well uh and there's moments in that where you

just don't expect it like the one where um they

have to save the um the the foreign guy who helped

them out over in vietnam and he's like oh i made

fortune cookies classic family recipe and he

leaves and Hannibal opens the fortune and they

ask him, well, what's it say? I love it when

a plan comes together. And you see that on the

cookie and you hear B .A. just groan. It's absolutely

hilarious. I'm really surprised Mad About You

did not make, even in like the 90s, you know,

part of the countdown. That show started out

as a comedy, but it eventually turned into an

emotional drama. with everything that happened

in those eight or nine seasons for that show.

But, yep, that's my top ten. I actually really

like Cold Case Files. I think that's something

that I didn't rank. I didn't know what the popularity

of it was, but that's one I do agree with you

on, Mike. I think that that show, it's one that

I think it takes that cop. drama feel and kind

of puts a little spin on it and it definitely

is an emotional ride too the sad thing about

cold case is it'll probably never ever get a

complete series dvd set and the one reason why

is because of all the licensed music they used

in the show don't get me wrong i love watching

any of those episodes and hearing whatever song

that fits that episode and remembering whatever

song that might be but sadly because of all the

licensed music in the show i don't think they'll

ever get it on dvd in a complete series set which

really sucks because that is a damn good show

Yeah, well, to kind of go back to the listing

thing, I think what happens, too, is that the

danger of the I'm going to list this here because

this is where I want it to be on the list is

if everyone does that, I think that's when you

get things like the Flash being up as high as

it is or Arrow being up as high as it is or Daredevil

being a top 20 show is that. You don't know.

You never know what other people are going to

vote for. And you might think, OK, well, everyone's

going to have either Lucy in the top 10. So I'm

not going to put that in the top 10. But then

no one does. So then it ends up being a top 10

show. So I think I mean, I understand that to

a point, but I think that's the danger in that

because you don't know what other people are

going to do. And I think that's kind of what

you saw with the list is that a lot of shows

that maybe people have had personal passion for,

which I understand. I get that. you ended up

seeing a lot of people with, you know, we have

a lot of people with similar tastes. So a lot

of shows that maybe would not be a top 100 show

for like Time Magazine would be for us. Like

maybe for some example, like Briscoe County Junior,

a show that I did not expect for it to be on

the list, but enough people had it on their list.

So it made it. Yeah, that's something specifically

I tried not to do this time. Like my first personal

choice is not even in the top 20. So I tried

personally to not. not to do that, but I think

it's unavoidable with people to, you know, as

they kind of know how the system works, to try

to game it a little bit. I've done it before,

so. Yeah, I definitely understand it. I mean,

it may impact, for example, like I might, I can't

say never impact anything I did because there

might be a show like, I don't know, like a classic

show like The Honeymovers that maybe I would

put higher because I think maybe people might

not get it. So I think everyone does that in

a certain extent. It's impossible. It's the way

it goes. Why don't we take another quick break

real quick, and when we come back, we can discuss

the list itself. Shows we felt were too high,

too low, and shows we felt deserved to make the

list but did not. Kit? Yes, Michael? Just keep

driving? I don't know. A couple months before,

I list these two wild ducks landing on my pool.

It was amazing. They're from Canada or someplace,

and it was mating season. They had some ducklings.

My daughter's friend was here to drive my daughter,

Meadow, to school. I met her, your father, with

those ducks. I know. The whole yard smells like

duck food. Girls, you gotta have more than just

cranberry juice for breakfast, all right? You

need brain food for school. Happy birthday, handsome.

13. Yeah, he doesn't act it. Shut up. The male

and female duck just made a home in your pool

and did it. Ew! Get out of here! So gross! Girls,

want some of my last night's foo -ya -dell? Get

out of here with that fat. One bite. How do you

stay so skinny, Mrs. Soprano? Him, with those

ducks. Let's dissect this frog list. Oh, sorry,

Kermit. Where's the dissection going to start,

Dan? Well, I guess we can start with, I mean,

let's look at the list itself. We talked about

some of this in the podcast already, so I don't

think we have to go in great detail here. But

any shows that jump out to you guys that are,

you know... either way too high or maybe didn't

deserve to be on the list to begin with, you

feel like it should be off the list in any way,

shape, or form. I know what Amanda's vote's going

to be. Bristol County Junior. Oh, gee, I thought

you were going to say Family Matters. We've got

to make spots first. We've got to make room.

Before we put things on, you've got to take things

off. Well, if we're taking things off, agents

are shit. I mean, come on. Yeah, that's gotten

better. I think you can look in a couple of different

areas. I think if you're trying to find maybe

shows that landed that shouldn't have. And I

think one of them is obviously the before mentioned

superhero bias. I don't think. I think you can

eliminate just about every single superhero show

we put on the list with maybe, I'll give you

Daredevil somewhere in the 90s, but you can take

Arrow, Flash, Agents of S .H .I .E .L .D., even

Batman 66 for me, and you can take them all off

the list. I think they're great shows if we're

making a, I guess if we're making a strictly

geek list, they should make it, or if we're doing

sci -fi, fantasy, superhero type stuff, obviously

they'd make it, but I think in this type of list,

none of them really deserve to be in the conversation,

and that would clear out four or five spots for

us. That definitely one. DJ, I know you were

only on two of the shows, but any list or any

shows that you feel like were listed any place

that you would maybe not consider for the list?

I'm going to go a little controversial here because

this is a show that I completely adored the first

season. But I think the second season tarnishes

it so much. It shouldn't be on this list. And

that's True Detective. I love the first season

of True Detective. Second season of True Detective.

in its anthology way just it's not awful it's

just so not the same quality of the first season

so for it to be uh number was it 61 this is like

oh man it's above it's above shows like alfred

hitchcock's presents and the cosby show a true

detective again first season matthew mcconaughey

woody harrelson amazing second season is just

so scatterbrained it tarnishes as a show. It

should be way lower, if not off this list, I

think. I can see that. I did vote for it in my...

I don't know what I put it. I put it in the 80s,

I think. Mainly because of that first season.

That was... It was so great. It was like everything

I could imagine TV being that I felt like I did

deserve. Small sample size. Small sample. I mean,

if this third season comes out and it knocks

it out of the park, then sure. But right now,

if this is baseball, it's got a great average,

500. Yeah. I guess the way I justified it was.

ultimately, when I said how great your show was,

what was the level of greatness that you reached?

And to me, the first season of True Detective,

I could put against any season of any other TV

show ever, in my opinion. And not many other

TV shows that you could put that towards. I get

that longevity could be part of it. For me, longevity

isn't an issue, especially with television, because

a lot of shows are designed, especially British

shows, like Ricky Gervais. He never designs a

show to be longer than two seasons. It's how

he feels like a show should be. And sometimes

shows... Very rarely does a show that go beyond,

like, usually five seasons, six seasons, seven

seasons at the most. Usually, you don't get many

shows that have more than a solid seven seasons.

Even Seinfeld, which ended on a high note, it

took a couple seasons to get there. So I look

at, you know, where was your peak? So that's

why I did consider True Detective. I could see

the argument, same thing with, like, Fargo, which

only had one season, though its second season

is getting much more praise than that of... The

quality is still up for Fargo. And I'm probably

in the minority here, but for Big Bang Theory

to be anywhere above 30 Rock, Fresh Prince, The

Shield, The Johnny Carson Show. Again, I'm in

the minority. I'm not a fan of Big Bang Theory.

And I know many people are. But man, for that

to be higher than this, so much better show.

Veep is like... 20 behind it so it just freaks

me out a little bit i think that brings up something

too for me that is another thing that i'm i kind

of considered when i was making my list is and

i could have done this based on the time period

it came out or based on the genre but I tried

to eliminate as many like shows as possible and

just decide which one stood out more above the

rest for the most part. So, for example, I guess

if you were looking at the 80s and you're thinking

about, you know, you got a ton of sitcoms with

Growing Pains and Facts of Life and Charles in

Charge and Who's the Boss and all those. If there

was one that really stood out, then fine, I'll

put that on my list. But then that automatically

eliminated basically the whole rest of the group.

And I'm not saying that's necessarily 100 % what

you did, what you would have to do. let the cream

rise to the top and add some more diversity i

think there was a couple times where we didn't

do that and i think you're touching on one of

them with the modern comedies and i'm not saying

that all these aren't good shows but You have

How I Met Your Mother, It's Always Sunny, 30

Rock, Big Bang, Community, Modern Family, and

Parks and Rec. So that's like seven or eight

sitcoms that all were in within like a three

-year period. Maybe they all deserve it, but

for me, I would have tried to figure out which

ones of those really stood above the rest and

kind of eliminated some of the other ones. I

would have done the same thing with some of the

90s comedies. You know, we have Fresh Prince,

Home Improvement, Boy Meets World, maybe one

or two others. How dare you take them? No, I'm

not saying, I'm saying figure out which one.

had something better, more special than just

your, you know, cookie cutter sitcom, which one

stood above those and maybe clear some space

for something else with the other ones. I was

surprised, actually, that we didn't get some

more 90s sitcoms. It wouldn't have made my list,

but I was, after seeing those, I was expecting

to see, like, that 70s show, Everybody Loves

Raymond, Will and Grace. So I guess I'm happy

that there weren't a bunch more, but for me,

some of those maybe were more unique than putting

all of them. the ones that we had in there. So,

so yeah, the issue with that, I see though, is

that like, I get that to a certain extent, but

uniqueness i'm not saying it always works i'm

not saying it always works like for maybe those

modern comedies maybe they all do belong i can't

judge that because i haven't seen enough of them

in it in their entirety i mean i could i could

understand something like how i met your mother

or you know some of the other ones like that

do you know they're they're like how you met

your mother and like i think we mentioned this

on the podcast and like modern family have kind

of a similar audience they're kind of going for

the more uh kind of family friendly type of sitcoms

but It's a hard thing to quantify, really, because,

like, comedy is such a big genre that it's, like,

to eliminate, like, okay, so I'm putting Veep

on the list, but I'm not putting The Office on

the list because they're also modern comedies

or Parks and Rec. No, I think what I'm talking

about is, like, the same – here's a good example.

Like, if we were doing an animated series, I'm

not going to put Family Guy Cleveland Show American

Dad. You know what I mean? I wouldn't put those

on the list to begin with. No, I'm just saying,

like, those are so close to carbon copies of

each other that, you know, I don't think anybody

would compare Veep with Modern Family. I've never

heard those comparisons. So I'm more so talking

when it's, like, almost an identical show. But

I guess they would compare, like, Parks and Rec

and The Office US or The Office UK. And I would

feel like... And in some cases it's warranted,

but in other cases... I don't know if it's always

warranted, I guess, is my point. I could see

that. I mean, like, for the 2GIF stuff, for example.

would you put perfect strangers step by step?

Uh, Sabrina, the teenage witch. Hey, Hey, you

back away from Sabrina. I'm just saying for me

personally, when you only have a hundred spots,

that's one tactic you could use to try to add

a little diversity and maybe a little bit, give

some more credit for like the more unique take

on stuff. And I'm not saying, like I said, a

lot of those modern comedies might work. I haven't

seen them, so I can't judge them. But I'm thinking

more so like especially like in the 80s sitcoms,

there were so many carbon copies of each other.

That's like, OK, was one doing something a little

bit different that maybe made it a little bit

more standout? Then I'll put that one and I'll

shelve the rest. Yeah, I mean, I definitely think

diversity would be beneficial for us for sure.

But like my point was just that it's hard to

I guess like I. It would be hard for me to determine

where to do that. Certain ones are obvious, like

we talked about, but certain ones I would be...

Right, it's almost like it would tend to lead

to... It would be almost beneficial if you had

a precursor debate on 90s comedies, which ones

are the best, and you have that discussion and

you really hammer it out and debate and argue

and go back and forth, and then maybe you come

up with the cream of the crop. I'm not saying

you have to do that, but that's one thing. Because

I think you have another situation with... We

had eight or nine sketch comedies as well. And

I think that's a little bit easier for sketch

comedies to kind of be unique and diversify themselves

a little bit. I think maybe I would take a couple

of them off because I don't think they resonated

as much for me. So which sketch comedies work?

I'd probably take Whose Line Off and I'd probably

kind of go back and forth between Kids in the

Hall and maybe Arrested Development. I mean,

I like some of those, but I'm just saying maybe

if I'm considering some of the other ones. Not

Arrested Development. There was another one that

we had. Key & Peele? Yeah, Key & Peele. I think

I would side with putting maybe Key & Peele on

there, take Kids in the Hall off. I don't know,

but I'm just saying, like, you have all those

sketch comedies. I personally probably would

have gone back in the day and put, like, a Jack

Benny show or a Red Skelton show in one of those

spots just to kind of give me... Yeah, I probably

wouldn't have, like, looking at it. Like, Kids

in the Hall I like, but I don't know if it's...

I don't know if it's a top 100 worthy per se.

Keen Peel I like a lot too, but I don't know.

I guess that one's, I think, a little bit more

questionable. Like Chappelle Show, I definitely

think it's deserving. Right, I had that one on.

Yeah. I mean, I think there are a bunch that

are deserving. I'm just saying maybe if you're

trying to, like, squeeze a few more in. And I

guess me personally, I'd knock Knight Rider and

A -Team off because I personally like a couple

other 80s action shows. But that's just, I know

I'm in the minority on those two. Yeah, yeah.

Your boy didn't even make it. Don't even go there.

I was thinking more so. I was thinking Mac. MacGyver.

No, MacGyver. He's a huge MacGyver fan. So, Mike,

moving over to you, what are some shows that

you made the list that you think you would not

include in the top 100? Obviously, Agents of

Shit. No matter how good it's gotten now, those

first two seasons suck. I don't think... Eliminating

the superhero shows makes a difference because

none of them cracked the top 20. Daredevil was

at number 20. Okay, well, Daredevil was at 20,

but I mean... I'm not saying it makes a difference

between the spots. I'm just saying it opens spots

for maybe some of the shows that we might have

missed. Like a Mad About You, like you said,

I would put Mad About You in over those easily.

Oh, yeah, but I'm saying, like, if we're going

by what you love to go by, which is all time,

you have to also include some of the more modern

shows. We did. I know. You know what I mean?

You know what I mean? It's a point where everybody's

like, oh, none of the superhero shows should

be on here, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You

know, they should. Even if they're in the low

90s or 80s. But they're in the 90s and you take

all the rest of them off. No. You're wrong. I

guess, Mike, why should they? I understand the

idea. I mean, it's a geek list. It's a modern

list. But I think there are a lot of great geek

shows that you could argue. For example, Mike,

you listed your top 10. And I wasn't checking

them, but I'm guessing. just off memory that

at least six of them were not on the, on the

list. So you wouldn't take, uh, you know, agents

of shield or, uh, arrow off of there to put mad

about you or to put, uh, one of those other shows

that didn't even make the top 100 on there. No,

I would take stuff off like he and peel and whose

line and then stuff that I don't think belongs

on the list. If I, if I was doing it that way,

what would you say? Like a show like keen peel

doesn't deserve to be on it, but a show like

flash does. Because Flash is better. It's more

entertaining to me. But isn't that kind of like

that? Have you watched Key & Peele? I've caught

a couple of clips here and there, but it's not,

again, it's not entertaining. I've seen a few

of the skits. I don't laugh at it. I'd rather

have In Living Color in that place than Key &

Peele. I guess, I don't know, like, the idea

that, like, the superhero shows have to be on

there, I guess, is one. I'm not saying they have

to be. I'm just saying that everyone is saying

that they don't deserve to be. Well, I think

they do deserve to be. But what's the argument

for them to be on the list? Like, what, beyond

that, I like them? Because that's, I mean, like,

there's a lot of shows, would you, you know,

that you could say that with. That's impossible.

They're, okay, so the superhero shows, specifically,

you know, specifically Flash and Daredevil, I

don't. Like, I love MacGyver. I'm not saying

it should be on the list. You know, specifically

with Flash and Daredevil, they're two very well

-acted shows. They have engaging storylines.

They have things that keep you coming, things

that keep you guessing. But isn't that like,

that's an argument for it to be a good show.

That's not an argument for it to be a top 100

show of all time. Well, to each their own. I

guess that's kind of the way I look at it. I

do, like Kevin mentioned, like when you're looking

at genre, picking out, I think that's important.

But, I mean, I didn't see a lot of people, like,

ground roll support for something like The Incredible

Hulk Show, which was very critically acclaimed

at the time, had an impact, certainly as a culture

made Lou Ferrigno. into a star i mean what else

could you do for a show but uh you know that's

why i think you can make an argument for a show

like that you can make an argument for what daredevil

kind of set the stage for with you know this

next chapter that's why i can see some of those

but i don't see what impact arrow or flash or

agents of shield necessarily had even in their

own genre a little bit maybe but not when you're

considering i mean if you're talking we're talking

like top 100 shows of the last 10 years 15 years

then maybe they get in there but we're talking

top 100 all time i don't necessarily see how

those would have some type of credentials that

would outweigh some of the other shows that people

were yelling at us for not having in our top

100 yeah but uh amanda any shows that you saw

on the list that you would take off I already

mentioned the Frisco County Junior. I think Sports

Night. I didn't give a shit about that. Whose

Line? Questionable. Sports Night's a good show,

but I would agree with you. I don't know if I

would put it in the top ten. If you're going

to take off a Sorkin show, that's probably the

one you're taking off. I'm also not a fan of

The Daily Show or The Colbert Report, but I do

understand why they're on the show, so not hating

that they're – or why they're on the list, not

hating for that, but just I have a severe distaste

for them. And also Monty Python, I don't like

either. there, so hate all you want, hate all

you want. Unbelievable. You can't be friends

anymore, DJ. Oh, we were friends? We were friends?

She was kind of excited. Wait. Some shows that

I would possibly take off the list, and these

are shows that I like, and I was just thinking,

kind of along Kevin's point where he was saying,

like, you know, some of the shows that kind of

come together, and one of those to me would be,

like, Veep and Silicon Valley, I think. I love

both these shows, but I would... I think Silicon

Valley's only been around for, it's only been

around two seasons, so I don't know if it's top

100 worthy yet. I think, again, this is all time,

so I love the show. I actually did rank it. Maybe

that was a mistake on my part, but I could see

an argument for not including that show. I do

think Veep has an argument because it's been

around a lot longer when you look at things like

the award season it has, and it just won Best

Comedy, so I think there's more of a groundwork

there to say it has evidence that it would have

more of a... after it's gone. The one show that

became the early show on the podcast, which was

Scrubs, which is a show I was not the biggest

fan of. Homeland, again, a show I really like.

I did argue for it, but I do think it had one

great season. I don't know necessarily if it's

a show that would deserve being top 100. It's

arguably on there. What was that? Boardwalk Empire

for me. I think Boardwalk had one. For me, I

kind of got tired of that. but they did have

one great season and a lot of like stretching

out the storyline stuff. Homeland kind of did

that for me too. Yeah. For the record, I did

have scrubs as one of the shows I would remove,

but I didn't want to bring it up. So I've gone

back since we, since the whole blow up about

that on the comments or anything else I've gone

back and I've watched like the first three or

four episodes of that show. It's okay. I find

some of the jokes funny, but it's not... I don't

have the distaste for it. I'm just looking at

other... I mean, I'm glad we have some... It's

only one of two medical shows on the list, which

was kind of surprising. So we talked about Agents

of S .H .I .E .L .D. already. I had that on my

list that didn't belong. But anything else? Any

other shows that we think should be off the list

before we get into things we should be on the

list or should be higher than they were? We hit

all nine. All right. All right. Well, Mike, let's

start with you here, because I know you had a

number of shows on your on your list that didn't

make it. So what are the first shows that come

to your mind that should have been on the list

that didn't make the top 100? Say what you will

about the show. Say what you will as far as it

coming after Walker, Texas Ranger. But like I

know I was a little too young to really get Miami

Vice and Miami Vice was a dark damn show in the

80s. Don't get me wrong. But for me, when Nash

Bridges came out, I was 16 at the time. I was

big into cop shows, and I thought it was really

cool. I think it may be at least at 100. It's

a really good six -season show. You have this

guy who is basically a complete success in his

career and a complete failure in his personal

life. You've got... It's got a 1971 Hemi Cuda.

Anybody that likes cars would like that. Other

shows that I had that I think should have made

the list. Amanda talks about CSI. I've watched

the original show. I refuse to watch Miami because

I can't stand David Caruso. Well, he takes the

sunglasses off in such an awesome manner. He

takes the sunglasses off and then puts them back

on. He never looks at the camera. He never looks

at the camera. He puts on sunglasses and takes

them off. Just so. He's like a love child between

William Shatner and some other, like Ron Howard,

I swear to God. Oh, man. That's scary. That's

really scary. Okay, so, you know, like I said,

Amanda mentioned CSI. I remember watching, like,

the first three or four seasons of the original

Vegas show, and I remember really, really loving

it. I haven't watched it at all recently. But

when they announced the CSI cyber show, you think

about shows that are, you know, things, crimes

that are happening today. And most of the crime

that happens today happens on the internet. And

that show is, at least for me, if I was making

a top 10 of this year or last year, it would

easily make the top 10 somewhere because that

show is really, really engaging. That cast is

pretty awesome. So that would be a show I'd put

somewhere on the list. Let's see. How can the

district or without a trace or coach not be on

here? What about Dallas and Dynasty? Everybody

loved Dallas and Dynasty back in the day. First

of all, Dallas has the single best TV villain

of all time in J .R. Ewing. It's true. Hands

down. Simpsons copied it. That's how great that

show is. Well, Simpsons copies everything. I

mean, Simpsons is nothing but, you know, a photocopier

half the time. Not really, but okay. In the early

years, it wasn't. Lately, yeah. I'm trying to

think. Night Court. Why is Night Court not on

here? That was my number 47. I love that show.

I would probably also find somewhere for Law

and Order of Criminal Intent because that was

a show that... again, was built around the character

of Robert Gorin. And this guy is all kinds of

screwed up. And that show explored his journey

of being a cop and being classified as someone

who could be a psychopath. That show was too

smart for over 70 % of the population. And it

had Jeff Goldblum. Thankfully for only one season.

Hey, hey, Goldblum's amazing. Don't ever say

anything bad about Jeff Goldblum. Don't you dare

say anything bad about Jeff Goldblum. Is he coming

back for Independence Day 2 and 3? God willing.

God willing. Oh, so we're going to fight off

the aliens. I mean, come on. Let's go faster.

Let's go faster. But yeah, that's pretty much

what I would have. DJ, how about you? I wasn't

on the earlier show, so I apologize if these

weren't on there. Was Rome on this list? No,

right? It was not. Rome, I would say definitely,

because without Rome, there is no Game of Thrones.

Rome was kind of like one of HBO's bigger shows,

so much that it was costing them so much money.

But I thought I loved that show, and that was

kind of like appointment viewing for me. I echo

Night Court. I love Night Court. I love Night

Court. That's one of those shows where kind of

like a Seinfeld where you can walk into any episode

and you're caught up. It's just fun. It's a fun

show. Night Court, really quick. I'm sorry to

interrupt you. The one thing about Night Court

that I realized, you know, Night Court has a

connection to the A -Team. Oh, God. Will Shannon?

No. No. Christine Baranski. What's her name?

The lawyer that's always up there. Yes. Marky

Post was Face's girlfriend in an episode of The

A -Team. Oh, perfect. I would also, mainly because

of the main performance on this show. Again,

I apologize. House was not on the list, right?

And how's for it to be? I watched two seasons

of that show before I realized all it is is a

Sherlock Holmes adaptation. And I'm forgetting

his name right now. Hugh Laurie? Hugh Laurie

is awesome. Hugh Laurie and essentially most

of the cast. I mean, that's probably the best

acting I've seen from Omar Epps in his life on

that show. But no, that show was great in the

whole. Once I realized how they're doing the

Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty is the disease and

it's Wilson is Watson. It's a great, great, great

show for a doctor show where most doctor shows

are following a formula like an ER or St. Elsewhere,

you know, Chicago Hope House was a little bit

different and it had one of the best. characters

on television. House is just a son of a bitch.

It was so awesome. I watched Hella House. I've

seen a ton of... Is that the spin -off? Hella

House, right? Mos Def was an episode. That was

an amazing episode. There's a ton of cool guests

on there, I think, too. I echo that. It's a really

good show if you... catch up to. It kind of lost

its way near the end of it, but for at least

four seasons, you're getting some really good

stuff, especially from Laurie. With that character,

you're getting great acting out of there. So

yeah, I'd say House and Rome and Night Court,

because John LeRocquette's awesome. He's in West

Wing for a little bit, so you got a little bit

of him. He's in the Librarians, for Christ's

sake. Let's not bring that up. Two references

for the Librarians over the course of our...

Amanda, you mentioned House. Did you have any

other shows you felt like should deserve the

top 100? Where do I begin? Family Matters is

where I'm going to start. How many 1990 shows

can we have in one minute? Just wait, because

I've got a ton. Family Matters, Tales of the

Crypt. That was 101. That was 101, so I barely

missed it. God, I love him so much. That crusty

asshole. He was so creepy when I was little,

but I remember on Sundays, we had HBO when I

was little, and that was my before -bed show.

I don't know why my parents allowed that, really.

Well, your attraction to me makes a whole lot

more sense now. I didn't know before I didn't.

Do you tell scary stories at night? That's how

he wakes up. He just jumps out of a casket and

starts screaming at her. He tried to scare me

at the movie theater the other day when I went

to the bathroom. He was, like, hiding when I

came back, and he had his, like, cell phone camera

waiting to capture. of my scream uh anyways um

i've got are you afraid of the dark the monsters

that did get some votes the monsters almost made

the top 100 until uh like the last couple lists

it was actually like i'm like on there for quite

a bit until like the last five lists i received

so I had so much fun with the monsters. Elf?

Nobody voted for Elf for the top 100 here? That

show was fueled on cocaine. The writer was so

coked out of his mind. And it worked for him,

okay? I mean, the fact that they had an alien

on TV, a puppet alien that ate cats, and that

was... It totally worked. I had so much cocaine.

Alf was 124. It was like Mork and Mindy or Alf,

and which one was Mork? I also have I Dream of

Jeannie, Unsolved Mysteries, my shit, Xena, Worry

Princess, all that. Vikings and Wilfred are my

more recent. little guilty pleasures. Xena is

an interesting one to bring up because actually

nine people voted for that show, but no one voted

for it very highly. So that's why it didn't get

very, like no one put it above 80. So it was

119 on the list. So there was actually a lot

of love for Xena. It was one of the shows with

the most votes, the most people voting for it.

That and Perfect Strangers, which had 10 people

vote for it, but a similar, like it was all,

it only had like, had, less than 100 points because

no one really put it above the 90s so it was

just weird how how that worked i'm actually super

sad that uh dexter didn't make the list either

i think that that finale hurt it yeah it definitely

i heard that there's works of it um popping back

up again maybe even a reboot style um i'm all

about that so we'll see Dexter. Let me ask you,

with Unsolved Mysteries, sadly, obviously, as

we all know, Robert Stack passed away. How do

you feel about Dennis? Yes, we know. We don't

have time for that right now, DJ. How did you

feel when they brought in Dennis Franz to do

Unsolved Mysteries? Is he the darker haired guy?

He's the guy that was on a season of Law and

Order with the mustache. I never saw The Unsolved

Mysteries with him, honestly. I want to say that

I have, but I don't remember him as much as the

original guy. Dennis Farina or Dennis Franz?

Dennis, I'm sorry, Dennis Farina. I was like,

I never saw that one. I was like, whoa, when

was that? That's all right. Either way, I didn't

see that guy, but I love that show. I don't know

if there was an Unsolved Mysteries without Robert

Sack. That seems not religious to me. Just like

how there shouldn't be an America's Most Wanted

without John Walsh. You mentioned Dexter. Dexter

was another one that almost made it. It was 112

with six people did vote for it. So a lot of

the ones that you voted, you picked. We're almost

on the top 100. I don't know if that makes it

better or worse. I mean, it does, I guess. It

makes me feel less of a douche, but still, the

pain... Mission accomplished. Kevin, I know you

had a bunch, so what are some of the shows you

felt deserved to make the top 100 that didn't?

All right, buckle up, everybody. Here we go.

I got two separate lists, so I'll go with the

legit ones, and then I'll just go with my personal

bias, I guess. But from the legit ones, I think

there was a big hole on our list when it came

to mysteries. And pick any of them, Murder, She

Wrote, Columbo, or Perry Mason. I think somewhere

there should have been a spot for at least one

of those shows. I had Murder, Shrew the highest,

but I had all three of them, I think, in my top

50. I think just the character of Columbo, the

character of Perry Mason are two of my favorite

characters in TV history, so I would have loved

to see at least one of those shows make their

somewhere. And then I think from a classic standpoint,

I was super shocked that Mary Tyler Moore's show

in Leave it to Beaver did not find a spot somewhere

in the top 100. See, I'm shocked by Mary Tyler

Moore, not so much Leave it to Beaver. I just

thought it would be something that people just

thought. I was surprised because I think when

you were talking about Before House, sometimes

the classics get forgotten or they're not as

fresh. So sometimes I think people just vote

with whichever name they remember the most. So

I thought we'd get stuff like Leave it to Beaver,

Gilligan's Island, Brady Bunch, maybe some of

those shows. Even if they didn't deserve it,

I thought we would get some of those token name

recognition shows. Go ahead. I think with a show

like Leave it to Beaver, though, it's almost

like a joke in a way. Like it's more it's it's

in a sense that like it's people use it as kind

of a barometer for like unrealistic expectations

of what life would be like. And kind of like

all in the family was a reaction to something

like Leave it to Beaver to show you what people

really acted with. So I think I get like Gilligan's

Island when I would. be surprised by, too, because

that one is such a zeitgeist. It's parodied everywhere.

That'd be one I think I was a little surprised

by. I didn't get a little bit more votes. It

had, like, six people did vote for it, but no

one voted for it very highly. And then, like

I mentioned, for a couple of the sketch comedies,

like Red Skelton or Jack Benny, I thought maybe

there'd be spots for them. I know we had Gunsmoke

on the list. I was surprised that Gunsmoke made

it and Bonanza didn't. I could see how one would

eliminate the other possibly, but they were definitely

big -time competitors for quite a few years.

Mike mentioned Dallas and Dynasty, so I can see

that. I think maybe a little bit of a gender

bias, because I think if we had maybe more of

a female presence in our voting, you would have

a few other shows that might have made it, like

Sex and the City. That was a super popular show

for quite a long time. It was totally unrealistic.

I didn't like it personally, but I thought maybe

it would make the list. I think the Ed Sullivan

show, for what it was, maybe could have deserved

a spot. I'm not huge on it. Like Mike said, mad

about you. And my last legit one maybe was Sanford

and Son. I always enjoyed that one. And then

just some fun ones from a personal standpoint.

Obviously, MacGyver would have been a selection

for me. my favorite show of all time, Quantum

Leap. I had Flight of the Conchords. That's a

great show. I just think a lot of people haven't

seen that. So I would put that, especially with

as many sketch comedies and some of those other

modern comedies, I thought we might see it somewhere,

but we never did. Stargate, any of them, I thought

maybe there'd be a presence since it was a geek

-centric list, like especially SG -1. And then...

I always enjoyed Party of Five in my so -called

life, just from a nostalgia standpoint, but I

wouldn't legit ask for them to be in the top

100. And then let's give some love for Dr. Quinn,

huh? Absolutely. And then maybe like a laugh

-in or a hee -haw. I don't know. Yeah. I had

some of those, like I did have Perry Mason and

Columbo. Definitely Mary Tyler Moore. I think

that's probably one of the bigger ones we didn't

have. We had a lot of modern shows, so I wasn't

surprised these didn't make it list. Like Dexter,

Masters of Sex, The Americans. I also had Get

Smart, which I think it's kind of along the same

lines of like a Gilligan's Island. I don't know

how great it was, but growing up was one of my

favorite comedies as a kid. Watching Taxi, I

think that's a big omission as well. Murphy Brown,

which was huge in the 90s. I know, like Kevin,

you mentioned a lot of shows like ER, which would

have been higher if we did it in the 90s. I think

that's the case with Murphy Brown. Some geek

-centric shows like Orphan Black, Black Mirror,

Battlestar Galactica, which I know we got a lot

of people saying why that didn't get votes. I'm

surprised. It didn't get many votes at all. I

hate Battlestar Galactica. Which, both the newer

and the old version? I never watched them. The

Edward James almost. I watched like 20 episodes

and I can't. I was like, man, I'm really giving

this a shot and I just can't. I've never watched

it, so I can't really speak. DJ, were you a fan

at all? I was kind of enamored with Katie Sack.

I kind of still am. She's very, very good on

that show. Usually if it's a great performance

on a show, no matter if the show is mediocre,

I'll push on through. I never got to finish Battlestar.

Can't say I didn't like it. It's just one of

those things where it was like, how many seasons

was it? Was it seven seasons? I can't even remember.

It was going on forever. This is like Doctor

Who. I'm never going to finish this. I don't

know how much time I'm going to have to invest

before I start getting a payoff here. That came

out when I was kind of getting into, or I started

watching it when I was kind of getting into BBC

stuff like Misfits and Utopia and stuff. Got

a chance to finally finish it, but the shows

I saw, I loved. I loved Katie Secoff. Edward

James Olmos was very good on that show. The President's

Wife from Independence Day. Bill Pullman's wife.

I forget her name. She's on there too. A little

bit of time. I can't remember. The performances

are great. Sci -fi effects or sci -fi channel

-esque. But I can understand. It's not everybody's

cup of tea. I was surprised, too, with the modern

shows that we were listening to that we didn't

see, like Grey's Anatomy or Entourage. Oh, Entourage.

I figured, yeah. Yeah, Entourage, I guess. yeah

a little surprised by that oh another hbo show

that i i think is quite good but is uh six feet

under uh twin peaks i wasn't too surprised it

didn't make it knowing the people that were voting

for but that did get that was high up for a couple

people um oz as well hbo show the uk version

of the office homicide life on the street we

had a lot of animated shows so but i do i am

a fan of king of the hill and uh speaking of

classic i don't know if this is classic i guess

it is it's like 30 or 40 years old uh like second

city um was one of my favorite sketch comedy

shows, WKRP and Cincinnati deserve to be on the

list. And also another geek show, which I'm not

surprised, but something like is another like

personal favorite, which would be like Spaced

with Simon Pegg and the Edgar Wright show. You

just hate Phantom Menace. That's why you like

Spaced. Exactly. I think if I was going to put

one more animated show, I would maybe fit Archer

in there just because I like that. Oh, yeah.

Archer's way smarter than people think it is.

Yeah. Way smarter. Did I say Lassie? I'm sorry.

No, you did not say laugh. I just wanted to get

a dog or Mr. Ed. I want a horse or a dog in there

somewhere. No flipper? No flipper? Which incarnation

of flipper? There's only nine of them. You know,

magic dolphins. We need some magic dolphins.

All right. Well, pretty much it. Any final thoughts

or anything on the top 100 we wanted to discuss

before we bring this episode to a close? Bro,

Mr. Ed, what about Mr. Ed? No love? Is that talking

horse or lassie? You want to know how they made

that horse talk? It's frightening. Peanut butter.

Peanut butter, right? I heard it was a carrot

not placed in his mouth, so we might not know.

Oh. Okay. On that note, we're going to take a

quick break and come back with some response

to the feedback. We'll be back after this. I

have a diagram. Let me show you the diagram.

No. We don't want to see the goddamn diagram.

Get out of here. And you need a volunteer, right?

Right. Don't you smile at me like that. That's

not even a real smile. Just a bunch of teeth

playing with my mind. All right, we are back,

and we're about to wrap it up here on the GCRN

Top 100 TV Shows Countdown finale. And shame

on all of you. We got no emails, no voicemails.

I have been saying for the past two weeks on

Facebook and Twitter and everywhere else to send

us emails, send us feedback. Nobody sent anything

in because usually Steve Megatron forwards all

that stuff to me. People are too busy watching

the six episodes of Star Wars getting ready for

next. I mean, to be fair, I don't know. There's

much more to say that we did get, you know, a

hundred comments. So it's hard to like go beyond

them. I'm going to email you just what I just

wrote on your post. Just to, well, no, but I

mean like. After the top 25 was out, I figured,

oh, somebody would write in or somebody that

hadn't commented. Because what I've found out

in seven years of podcasting is there are a lot

of silent listeners out there that don't comment

or don't interact. So I actually, while we were

doing this finale episode, I actually went back

and I looked at all four posts, 100 to 1. Part

1 of the countdown, the part 1 podcast episode,

got 119 comments. Part 2 got 100. Part 3, 116,

and Part 4, 105. In total, 482 comments for the

overall Top 100 TV Shows countdown. That's awesome.

Thanks, guys. That is so awesome, yes. Thank

you to everybody. No shame on you. Thanks for

the 400 comments and for the debates. Shame on

everybody else for not sending in emails that

didn't comment. You are forgiven. We forgive

you. No, it made it a lot more fun interacting

with everybody on the posts and debating and

arguing and going back and forth. Great conversations.

I think only maybe one time, Dan, that it went

a little south as far as proper debating and

conversation. But for the most part, they were

intelligent debates, and I enjoyed them. I apologize

to you off air, so I don't know what to say.

We're still friends. One of the comments on,

I think it's on... Is it on part four? We only

have 400 and some comments to fish through to

find it. Which one are you referring to? I'm

going to strangle all four of you guys. I haven't

said anything about it. Well, Steve's in the

background somewhere mimicking all of us, so

four guys. Anyway. One of the newer commenters,

RackJ82, asked, is there any chance of doing

this again one day but having a bunch of the

listeners make our lists and see how they match

up? And what I had said was, in response to it,

was we may do that in a few years, but we would

still use the same system of whoever sends in

lists. we would still compile them all to make

the overall list. And there may be an opportunity

for them to do that coming sooner than they think.

So we already read their mind on that one. Yeah.

Steve mentioned in the comment that there is

plans for things next year where there will be

more fan interaction when it comes to creation

of a list, maybe not of top 100 manner, but it's

something of that nature. So I think it'd be

interesting to see. you know, what fan reaction

would be or what a fan list would be for sure.

And what I think I like best, even more so than

the 400 and some comments that we got on the

website, was the number of different people that

we heard from. It wasn't like it was, you know,

two or three of us just commenting a hundred

times back and forth to each other in a big debate.

We heard from dozens of people. So it was fun.

Some new faces, some old faces. So I think it's

a great jump off point. more of these in the

future and interacting with them hopefully we

can choose topics that they're interested in

and i know we brought this up already but this

is the third time that we've done a top 100 for

geekcast radio so if you've done it you like

this go back and listen to and we did one for

top 100 animated movies in new movie series as

well so the you can kind of check those out and

kind of see where it all began yeah um the i'm

just looking at geekcast radio geekcast radio

feed on blog talk radio because how we do all

of our getting our stuff onto itunes we submit

through blogtalkradio .com now what i noticed

on here is the number of listens or downloads

for each part each of the four parts part one

got 194 part two got 109 part 3 132 and part

four the top 25 got 99 Now, I don't have the

numbers on the other, because we simulcast this

over GCR, Altered Geek, Telecast, and Remote

Control, so I don't have the numbers for the

other three feeds, but I do know at one point

in iTunes that the, I think it was either part

two or part three, was the, when you look at

the Geekcast Radio podcast page in iTunes, The

telecast feed was the number one feed. That's

thanks to me. That's the only way I was listening

to it. Overall, I think it was a very interesting

project. I think it's going to be interesting

to revisit it at some point. I'm already looking

forward to a future list based on something that

Fox did this last week. Oh, Lord. No. I'm scared,

folks. I'm really scared. Yeah, if it's not IGN,

it's Fox. Top 100 Donald Trump quotes. Okay,

so let's go around the room. Dan, what is your

overall final thought? I had a question as Dan's

final thought, actually. I mean, he can give

his final thought, but I had a question for you,

Dan, because we said that a lot of times other

lists fuel our ideas and make us want to do it.

specific topic and I know that we had uh that

you had seen a list for from what was entertainment

or entertainment weekly Hollywood Reporter Hollywood

Reporter that had a top 50 or top 100 shows whatever

it might have been so I'm curious do you think

we did a better job or because their number one

was what their number one was friends yeah uh

I can't I can't remember I was actually just

looking at that again today it was weird we had

some some similar shows some of their shows show

up, or some of the shows that we had really low,

like I Love Lucy, they had it around the same

spot we did. I don't know. I think there are

stuff I think we got better. I think we had The

Wire higher. We had West Wing a little higher.

They had Sopranos in their top 10. Though they

did miss stuff like Muppet Show, which I think

is deserving of top 100. They didn't have any

of the superhero shows like we did, so I don't

know what that means. I don't know. It's hard

to... I personally think... Regarding my tastes

and what I like, I think we had more shows I

just felt deserved or were nearly to what they

were. I mean, overall, I think if I were to grade

the quality of our top 100, because it's a fun

project. I don't necessarily know how accurate

of a representation it is. I'd probably give

it like a B - and there's like a C -. So I just

think that, you know, when you're getting such

a big pool of people, it's hard to... really

understand like where where it's going to end

up and so things are going to be kind of weird

it's more of a like a like a doing it the way

we're doing it where we're not sitting there

and like determining based upon like having a

four -hour meeting to figure out what number

one is we're just going based upon votes so it's

kind of a wacky system but it works in that end

but uh yeah i don't know i'm rambling now but

uh I think our list is overall better, but like

I said, I think there's a lot of things which

we've gone over and that I would definitely change.

Supernatural Big Heart. Yeah, I mean, I would

probably put Supernatural in the 1 to 10 spot.

Just repeating it over and over again. Italiki

is happy now. I don't care about him, I just

want Jansen Nichols. Anyway. You know he started

out on Smallville, right? He's been in a lot

of stuff. He was also in My Bloody Valentine.

He was almost Captain America. What? That just

blew my mind. How does that happen? He auditioned,

but Chris Evans exists. Thank God. DJ, I know

you missed half a list, but based upon what you

saw so far, thoughts on the list overall? I just

want to say I had a blast doing this because

I'm old and curmudgeon -y, so I don't remember

most of my youth. Aren't we all? I'm a child

of being raised on a television. Once I started

to think about shows like Monty Python and You

Can't Do That on television, it kind of reminded

me of stuff that I forgot about. Benny Hill and

all this other stuff. It's been a blast. I think

there's always going to be a debate on television

because there's a zillion freaking shows. We

have... different tastes and different stuff

but uh i i just found making this list just to

be very very enjoyable even for the shows that

when my shows were not on somebody else's list

or when certain people didn't like married with

children who will remain nameless it kind of

still it made me fight for a show that i grew

up with you know i just had a great time so thank

you It's great having you. I'm sorry that you

missed out on being able to talk about Mr. Robot

a little bit more. Man, I could talk. We'd still

be on that show if I was still on that show.

I want to thank everybody, too, though, because

obviously the first half of the countdown wasn't

on my list. So I have at least like 50 shows

now that I can go watch. So you added all my

Netflix queue and my Amazon Prime queue. So I've

got lots of stuff to watch and catch up on. The

winner, Netflix. Amazon wins. I'm actually surprised

so many classic shows are actually on Netflix.

Somebody mentioned that. comments and i'm like

oh wow i didn't know they had classic tv shows

like annie griffith's show was on netflix i had

no idea but uh amanda any final thoughts on the

list overall your first list was it fun or not

it was probably one of the most daunting tasks

ever like i was like what you want me to do what

And I was blown away that it couldn't just be

my personal faves. And I was like, what? So I

had to clarify eight times, this is not just

the shows that I like. This is not just the shows

that I know everything about. This is actually

just legitimate shows, too, thrown in. So it

was hard. I think that it brushed the nostalgia.

into my cheeks and made me really dive in and

be critical on some things that I really enjoy.

So it was great. And thanks for having me on.

Kevin, what about you? Final thoughts. What was

it like to be not in a different seat for a list?

Yeah, exactly. It was fun. Like I said, I was

nervous when show after show that wasn't on my

list was popping up, but it was fun not to know,

and I got to play some games. I remember I sent

you my predictions for the 1 through 25, and

I had 22 of them right, so that was fun. But

yeah, I like both experiences. I like kind of...

knowing what's going on and watching for people's

reactions, but I also like being surprised. And

there was a ton of surprises in this list. That's

for sure. I had a thought on that actually, instead

of next time, whenever we do this, whatever.

I think you have a thought that's scary. Shut

up. Instead of only one person knowing what's

coming, like if obviously we're doing these in,

you know, 25s now. Let us know what's on that

part of the countdown. Don't tell us where it

is going to fall, but let us know what shows

are on there, and then we would be more surprised

to see where they actually land versus keeping

everybody else in the dark other than the person

that has the main list. I think on one of the

next ones that we have coming up, people aren't

going to need to do much research, so it's going

to be pretty easy to talk about whatever shows

up. Yeah. Damn franchises. All right, so I honestly

have no idea what's coming up next on Geekcast

Radio. Remote control, I have plans of bringing

that back. I just don't know when off the top

of my head. I do know. There's a lot of stuff

in the works, so just keep an eye out for all

the different feeds in 2016. I just, well, pertaining

to Geekcast Radio, I'm not sure. The final two

Star Wars countdowns, when those are going to

happen, I do know that episode 90 will be our

year -in -review episode. That'll be airing on

New Year's Eve, so you guys can tune in for that.

I'm going to be getting drunk. I don't know what

you guys are going to be doing. We record it

before New Year's Eve. It airs on New Year's

Eve. I'm not going to listen to it on New Year's

Eve. Definitely not. It's the hangover cure.

That's the purpose of it. That's right. It cures

all hangovers. Better than Gatorade. Exactly.

That's our slogan. Anything's better than Gatorade.

Alright, unleash the geek in you and we will

catch you next time. But wait, there's more!

And late to the TV party, Steve Megatron. Who?

Who the hell's that guy? I don't know. Who the

hell is that guy? The guy that didn't want to

sit through an hour and a half? Oh, God. No,

but it's me. I'm here. And there's quite a significance

to me showing up. We had feedback email. And

I was not able to be on the record that night.

Okay, so just to give everybody some back, well,

you guys already know. The end of the show, I...

I shunned everybody for not sending us any email.

And then the next day after we recorded this

episode, Steve was like, oh, yeah, we got email.

Yeah, we got them about – well, the reason I

didn't notice it was when it came in, it was

about around 5 o 'clock. And typically that's

when I'm walking away from my computer. uh until

you know like 10 10 something at night so i don't

always see it until that point or i would have

seen it the next morning so like of course you

know it it wasn't seen until the next morning

when i i checked my email and it um ported over

so so yeah there were there were two emails Yeah.

Thank you. Just a second. It's for you. Manamana.

The question is, what is a manamana? The question

is, who cares? The first one is by Connor Murphy.

Okay. So he says he finished the Top 100 episode

and sending in the comments. For one, the project

itself was a lot of fun and loved when we...

It says, love when you guys do these. On the

good side, this one kept me in the most suspense.

The animated movie won last year. I could easily

predict the top 20. This year, that was not the

case. Some shows I'm still shocked by. The Briscoe

County Junior Sports Night in Full House come

to mind. I don't think any of those shows should

have made it. I'm sure there are others. If I

look back at it in more detail, I was happiest

to see the Muppet Show make it so high. That

was a pleasant surprise. These are long, so.

Be ready. For the record itself, the things I

liked better this year were the use of clips.

This was a nice little touch that made it feel

extra special. The records themselves were quite

long, which made it a tad daunting to finish.

But hey, it came. gave me a week of content to

listen to on my drive to work so it's not the

worst thing in the world having dj and amanda

on was also great they brought different voices

to the mix and although i didn't always agree

with them especially you amanda sorry i did enjoy

hearing their takes i hope you do this again

because i'm looking forward to it connor murphy

your thoughts before i give my thoughts Thank

you, Connor, for the email. Thank you, and yeah,

I have to agree. Some of the shows were a bit

of a surprise. I get this out right away, and

I don't mean any offense to this. I did vote

for superhero shows, and I still argue that Flash

deserves to be on the list. But again, I'm not

going to beat that dead horse. So yeah, there

was a little bit of that in there. So I can get

why some people are upset about that. But, yeah,

I agree with the choices of the shock of why

they're there, like with those three. I mean,

I get why some people put them on there. Again,

it's – and this is how I viewed the list, and

it's not necessarily even my own take per se,

but everybody I'm guessing. voted on this thing

based on a multitude of reasons one of them was

because uh the way that we do the ranking scale

up to this point which again it's going to be

changing in the future but um because of some

instances here uh but the uh the reason some

of the personal lists ranked certain things so

high was to ensure that it made its spot on the

list not necessarily that it actually deserved

to be that spot on a list because of the way

the rankings work and the point values and stuff,

it works out to be a certain way. So I can see

why some people voted for certain things. And

it was even admitted on the show, like, for instance,

Kevin's Cosby show, like me, like the Boy Meets

World. Again, it wasn't nostalgia. It was trying

to make sure that the show got there. And I was

by no means saying that they should be in the

top ten. I was just saying that they deserved

to be on the list. And that was the same thing

with The Flash. I think I put that at number

four. Yeah, because TNG I had at three. I don't

have my list in front of me because my computer,

I'm douching it out right now. But anyways, that's

partially why that happened. The other thing

is, if certain people grew up with certain genres

of shows, whether it's something their parents

exposed them to or something that they themselves

sought out. For instance, I would never have

saw a show like Gunsmoke or half the stuff that

came out in the 70s and 80s. There's certain

things in the 80s that I grew up with, and there's

certain things from all the different generations

that I'd caught because of what my parents watched.

But if my parents didn't expose me to that older

content, I have no reason to want to check it

out because it looks like garbage to me in today's

shooting standard as far as audio -visual quality,

not necessarily story because there's a lot of

garbage that's on TV now. But as far as the aesthetics

are concerned, it was garbage. Not necessarily

the story. But it was good for the time. So again,

I can get why people are upset certain shows

showed up and certain shows didn't. So it's one

of those things that it's depending on what you

are exposed to. And that's what is on your list.

Same reason I have a lot of 90s and late 80s

and 2000s stuff on my list is because... That's

what I've watched over the past 20 years. So

that's, of course, going to be what I gravitate

towards with some other stuff sprinkled in there.

The thing about the clips, the top 100 animated

films, I think the reason that wasn't done with

clips was because a lot of the stuff, it would

have required one person to do because nobody

knew what was going to show up on that list.

Especially with some of the indie stuff. And

the difference between that and the top 100 animated

series list is the animated series, they all

had a theme song. And a lot of those, actually,

I think all of them had a theme song to some

degree. It may not have been the one that everybody

remembers, but it was a theme song. So, again,

that one did use the clips as well. The last

one, because of, you know, not only timing and

trying to get everything in there and the exposure

of stuff, that's why that wasn't in there. But

this time, yeah, I definitely agree. And there's

some things that will kind of present themselves

in the future. So, yeah, glad that you enjoyed

it. Sorry that they're a little long. We tried

something a little bit different this year with

instead of making seven episodes, we made it

five. Connor, I'll tell you this right now. Between

the animated films countdown and this Top 100

TV countdown, In total, both countdowns are 10

hours of content. So, the Top 100 TV show one,

we had, I think it was like two or three. How

many are the four parts? Part three and part

four of TV were both three hours, eight minutes,

and three hours and 38 minutes. Because, as Steve

said, it was going to go longer because we were

doing 25 entries instead of 20. But in overall,

between the animated films and the TV countdowns,

they both add up to roughly around 10 hours of

podcasting each. So that's 20 hours of content

for two different countdowns. The next email

is from... And the next email is from... Let

me use the right mouse. I have my laptop and

my desktop in front of me because I got a new

solid state drive. I'm trying it out. The next

one is from Rachel Manning, who says, I had to

write in with a show that is criminal. You didn't

include Battlestar Galactica. I was a fan of

the original and a fan of science fiction, but

more so I am a great. a fan of great cinematic

television. This show went beyond my wildest

dreams. Some people have a hard time with certain

dramatic and artistic choices made by the producers.

But to me, those choices only make the show stronger

and gutsier. The new Battlestar Galactica concentrates

on characters, drama, and the human condition

and shies away from the fantasy, serial elements

of the original and others of the genre. A first

-rate cast with real acting chops help ground

the story and characters in a universe where

the audience cares what happens to them. This

is the antithesis of the original that relied

on caricature villains and cartoon storylines.

This new show tackles real -life issues about

human rights, religion, and the moral ambiguity

of... war yes i know i butchered that word it's

no wonder battlestar galactica has garnered glowing

reviews from time magazine rolling stone tv guide

and the american film institute with that type

of praise assumed you would at least put it in

the top 50 but nothing shows like supernatural

corny batman family guy and shows barely out

of their first season clearly battlestar galactica

is just as deserving if not more so you know

I haven't watched it. Yeah, that's what I was

wondering. How many of us have actually watched

either one of the Battlestar Galacticas? I know

of the show. I know of the series, both of them.

But I've never actually seen them. So when I

was making my list, I only put shows on my list

that I've actually seen at least five episodes

of. Yeah, and that's kind of what I did with

mine, too, is I only voted on shows that I watched

at least five episodes of at some point. That

being said, I probably would have omitted some

of the superhero shows that I put in there. Even

some of the other shows in general that I put

in there to write in some of the ones that I

forgot. It even existed because, again, I didn't

watch this show, so it really wasn't on my radar.

But I definitely agree with you. It is kind of

a crime and it's not there. And it's it's another,

you know, huge sci fi thing, you know, that Babylon

five. I mean, they all go hand in hand with like

Star Trek and, you know, Doctor Who and all these

things that have lasted for decades. So, yeah,

I definitely get that supernatural. I have to

defend a little bit. And it's not for the reasons

that Amanda had. I don't exactly remember besides

the argument that she had was because it should

be there. I enjoy the show because, one, it's

got lasting power. It's on its 11th season now.

Granted, three of the seasons suck. I'm not going

to deny that. But the rest of it's pretty damn

good. I'm glad that it showed up on the list,

even if it is on the high end or the low end.

Low end. Depends on how you look at it. No, it's

the low end. It's a countdown from 100 to 1,

so 100 to 50 is the low end. Yeah, low end of

the stick. But anyways, it showed up, and I'm

kind of glad that it at least made a presence

there for having that much time. Whereas you

get shows like Briscoe County Junior that had

one season. So, I'm not throwing this show under

the bus specifically, but it's, you know, I'm

just saying in general. And corny Batman, as

corny as it was, it was the only superhero show

we had that early on. I mean, you could have

wrote Wonder Woman in, you could have wrote,

you know, some of the serialized Superman and

Batman stuff, but that really was like the entrance

of superheroes into TV. So, that's the only reason

I voted for that. Family Guy, as much as you

love it or hate it. it's got lasting power and

people for some reason like it. I have watched

a little bit of it here or there. It is like

nails on a chalkboard after a while, but I can

see why it's there. Uh, but yeah, there's, uh,

yeah, I, I totally get your, your venting on

the Battlestar Galactica. So it's, it's definitely

well, uh, And you never know, within a couple

of years, we'll probably end up revisiting some

of these lists, including this one. And there

might be a drastically different output because

people may have gotten exposed to some of the

shows that were listed that, of course, we may

not have been familiar with. So, you know, you

never know. The list could turn out entirely

different with a whole new setup. So there's

to that. All right. Well, that's going to do

it for the Top 100 TV finale for the countdown.

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