GCRN – Top 100 TV Shows Countdown – Part 3 – 50-26

Hey, this is Steve Bloom, and you are listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. You're listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. Welcome to part

three of the GCRN's Top 100 Television Show Countdown.

I am one of your hosts, TFG1 Mike, and I am back

this week. Last week, I don't know. I was stuck

in infomercial land, apparently. We beat up drunken

pirates. Drunken pirate, you ass. Okay, so joining

us first of all is Steve Megatron, the other

co -creator. Hello. Yo, hopefully I don't have

to bail this week. Hopefully no one's computer

explodes this week. We have TV Revolt Dan. Hello.

How's it going? It's going. We have Kevin and

Amanda. Hello. It's popping, Pippin. He's got

nothing. I got nothing. I'm sorry. I don't know

how to respond to that. I'm still trying to figure

out the hamster wheel thing. And our special

guest in this episode is DJ Valentine. Hello,

sir. Hi, guys. I'm just glad you guys temporarily

lifted that restraining order so I could be back

on the show. I'm glad I won't burn anything this

time. Well, to be fair, this is your... When

you make comments like that, you have to be careful

who you say it to. Oh, damn it. I'm sorry. I

have no inner monologue. To be fair, this is

your first time on the overall Geekcast Radio

main flagship podcast. So anything that happens

on Cinema Geeks just doesn't count. Doesn't count?

Yes. Just think of it as, you know, the gremlins.

Clean slate. Yeah. Clean slate. Where's my matchbook?

Let's go. Wait, wait, wait. Yeah. You know, Jarvis

just loaded the clean slate project for you.

There you go. You've mixed Iron Man and The Dark

Knight Rises together. Sometimes genius just

happens. Okay, so. Happy accident. Since Steve

essentially got booted or something happened

with him last night. I had screaming kids. They

weren't happy with the countdown, so they were

like, no. Little banshees were up there going,

and my wife was running back and forth, so yeah.

And obviously I wasn't here last week. And I

wanted to give just this little piece here, Steve

and I, a chance to reply to some of the stuff

that happened in Part 2. It's a good thing I

wasn't drinking anything when someone said about

the whole 67 -66 thing with Batman, because that

was hilarious. That was Kevin. That was genius

on Kevin's behalf. I take no credit. You really

do. So the main thing is that I don't have a

problem with the countdown so far. The only real

thing for me is The Shield from FX was my number

two on my personal list. That show deserves to

at least be top 15. That show in its six, seven

years did such amazing things. It essentially,

every FX original series everyone loves now,

The shield launched all of that. I'm sure FX

would have had something else do it, but the

shield is what did it in 2002. And yeah, that

show deserves to be a little higher. It wasn't

until one of our commenters pointed or somebody

on Twitter or wherever pointed out about the

whole arrow thing being at 52. I was like, ha

funny. You say this on the dawn of a bastard

execution or getting canceled. Kurt Sutter, one

of the guys who made the shield, is probably

just like, thank you, somebody loves me. Someone

out there. Steve, did you have anything that

you wanted to reply to or anything you wanted

to bring up before we get into the part three

here? No, if they want to hear my comments on

what Thalware that I was not a part of listed

to last week's Altered Geek. Or this week's,

technically. No, I think I did it last week,

too. Oh. Yeah, it could be. I don't know. I've

talked about it both weeks. I've recorded so

many podcasts in the past week and a half. You're

drunk. Go home. Let's move on. All right. So,

oh, the other thing I wanted to bring up was

the Cosby show. I'm not going to spend a lot

of time on this. I'm just going to. i'm just

gonna say this you know whatever you want to

feel about the man it doesn't take away from

what the show did because of what the other actors

did not because of what he did one of my favorite

scenes from that entire show is mostly felicia

rashad uh yelling at sandra so you're gonna hear

that and then dan's gonna come back to start

the countdown after this and i'll be working

side by side with my husband Sandra, what are

you saying? You have always wanted to go to law

school. You've never talked about anything else.

I changed my mind. Change it back. After all

the money we spent sending you to Princeton?

Sandra, you owe us 79 ,648 .22 cents, and I want

my money now. I'm going anywhere till I get my

money. I'll take whatever she's got. Empty her

pockets. I want you to know now, no, I'm not

having this, no. Really, both of us, we have

to be calm. You calm down. If Elvin thinks that

he is going to come in here and drag my baby

off into some harebrained business scheme and

ruin what is potentially the greatest legal mind

of this century, he's going to have me to deal

with. And then he can come to you for treatment.

50. Alrighty. Well, when we started off the countdown

at 100, actually at 99, we entered the countdown

with someone's number one. And fittingly enough,

we are starting the top 50 again with someone's

number one. Someone's number one that's on the

podcast today. It's also visiting a day and a

time period that we talked about previously.

Coming in at number 50 is none other than Boy

Meets World with 637 points. It was on eight

lists, as high a strength as number one, as I

mentioned, by Steve Megatron Phillips. So fittingly,

Steve, I think it makes sense to start with you

here. Are you a little upset knowing it's your

number one? Are you happy it's in the top 50?

Are you upset it's not higher? What are your

thoughts? I'm happy it's in the top 50. I'm kind

of upset it's not higher, just because that was

my go -to show as a kid growing up, watching

it on TGIF. And I love the dynamic of the characters

and a lot of the issues that it pulled. And while

I can see why some of you chose shows like The

Wonder Years or stuff like that, if that's what

you grew up with, for me, this was like that

show. fittingly it's the brother of the one from

that show but um it's i i don't know i just i

really enjoyed the show and and all the stuff

it taught throughout its seven years on television

and then the fact that it's gotten a resurgence

in recent years uh under the new title girl meets

world kind of continuing that universe um with

some of the same character with some of the same

character with some of the same character with

some of the same character with some of the same

character with some of the same character with

some of the same character with some of the same

character with some of the same character with

some of the same character with 87 right kev

i don't know i didn't watch it when i was young

oh well in the late in the late 80s when wonder

years was on i remember watching the show But

now, today, I didn't remember a single thing

about the show. I didn't remember a single theme

song and the fact that Marv from Home Alone is

the narrator for... You didn't remember Winnie

Cooper? Well, everybody remembers Winnie Cooper.

I'm saying as far as the plots go. I didn't remember

any of the storylines. So after we had that debate,

I went on to Netflix and I watched about... five

or six episodes of the first season, that show

is just not my style. It just isn't. Boy Meets

World, you know, as a, by the time that was on,

I was 13 to 20. So, you know, that was another

one of those 90s life lesson shows. And that

is a show that I can watch all the time, various

episodes, especially now as an adult, being able

to appreciate. some of the adult humor with their

parents. It's just awesome. So Boy Meets World,

I'm glad it's top 50. Like Steve, I think it's

easily top 25, top 15 at least. All right. Well,

let's have DJ. Let's give you your first shot

at this list, seeing Boy Meets World coming in

at number 50. I know it wasn't on your list.

Was it a show you watched? Do you think it deserves

where it's at? What do you think in here? I think

it's pretty high. I mean, I'm I'm I'm a really

old person. So I remember one of the years and

I kind of was getting into like movies around

the time Boy Meets World came out. So I wasn't

watching a lot of TV, but I do remember Topanga.

That's essentially what Topanga and Winnie Cooper.

Come on. Well, again, I'm going Winnie Cooper

because she was my childhood crush. But I mean,

not to get. It's chauvinistic here. Topanga was

one of the main reasons I was trying to check

that show out. And then I was just somehow fascinated

that this was, oh, this is the brother of the

guy from the Wonder Years. And it's more of,

and I like Mr. Feeney. He was a guy from the,

I think it's the father from The Graduate, I

believe. I forget his real name. It's okay. It

was kind of a time where it was kind of like

a sitcom kind of happier show. Wonder Years felt

more of a, like... It felt more like a small

kind of mini -movie than Boy Meets World, which

felt like a traditional sitcom. So it's not really

one of my favorites, but I know it has a humongous

following in the fact that it came back with

the new incarnation. I think it's a little high,

but I can understand it. Amin, I know you had

a lot of love for other 90s series. What are

your thoughts on Boy Meets World here? I was

definitely a fan of Boy Meets World back in the

Disney. I haven't caught up with the Girl Meets

World, but I know that this was 23 on my list.

Definitely higher than what we are having here,

but I think that I was definitely the age group

that it was geared towards, and I connected to

it. It was definitely, like I said, part of my

nostalgia with the 90s, and I like those little

life lessons. That's where I like the Cable Guy.

That's where I learned my life lessons from TV.

Well, there you go. Cable Guy and Boy Meets World.

Did not expect that combination today, but you

never know. You're welcome. TV teaches me. Kevin,

you like... Somebody's got to kill the babysitter.

Kevin, you, like me and DJ, also did not rank

Boy Meets World on your list. So what are your

thoughts of seeing it coming in here? I know

it's probably not surprising, but do you think

it's deserving of being in top 50, being in the

top 100? I don't think so. I'll be the resident

hater of 90s sitcoms, I guess. Hey, hey, hey,

hey. I mean, I didn't have Home Improvement on

here. I didn't have Fresh Prince. I don't have

Boy Meets World. I don't have Family Matters.

I didn't rank any of them. They're all the same

show to me, so I just... And it has nothing to

do with me growing up. I'll hopefully save my

Wonder Years comments for later, but I did not

watch that show growing up, so it has no nostalgia.

I did not watch Wonder Years until I was 20...

at seven or 29 or something like that. So that's

a weird age to start watching it. Like, how did

you fall into this? It was on TV and I started

recording the episodes and then I like started

watching in about five or six episodes in, I

was hooked. And, uh, like I said, I'll save my

comments, but so yeah, it wasn't, it wasn't about

that being the childhood thing for me. Um, maybe

I was not the right age for Boy Meets World and

some of these other ones, like I said, home improvement,

family matters, but I just, for me. If I was

going to put one of them on the list, it only

would have been one. And in the end, I just had

100 shows that I thought were more worthy. Yeah,

I know. I did grow up with Boy Meets World. Oddly,

when they were in seventh grade, I was in seventh

grade. When they were in eighth grade, I was

in eighth grade. And then they randomly jumped

three years and graduated when I was still a

sophomore. But whatever. I did like the show.

It certainly has its place. I know among my age

group, it is one of the most talked about. love

shows. It still runs in syndication today, and

it's because of how well it did in syndication

that it did get another spinoff series. I liked

it, but like DJ mentioned, I don't know necessarily

if it does much more with the sitcom genre that

was done before, like looking at other coming

-of -age sitcoms. It was good for what it was,

but I didn't necessarily think it transcended

anything, or it was anything all that special,

I guess, beyond just where... Its relationship

to me if I was thinking objectively, you know,

it didn't really many doesn't have much award

acclaim No, it was it was a fun show But it just

felt it fit in that mold of TGIF and and I don't

see it It's a show that if you gave to the same

age group today. That wasn't meant for in the

90s. Would they still like it? I don't know.

I can't really say. I don't think they would.

I don't think so because the thing with today

compared to the 90s is in showing Boy Meets World,

don't get me wrong, Boy Meets World shows its

age with its references and everything else that's

in the show. And kids today just don't understand

that. Kids today don't understand half the stuff

that happened in the 90s. It's not even the references,

it's just the quality of it. It's a Disney show

now. It would be like iCarly. Exactly. Come on

now, it's better than iCarly. No, no, I'm not

saying it's the same. I'm just saying if it came

out now, it would be on Disney. It definitely

wouldn't be on ABC. Like it is. I guess that's

kind of my... Technically, Disney owns ABC now,

so it's kind of the same. thing but it's the

thing like it's a very specific age group it's

going after like it's not like a home improvement

it that could you can legitimately you know it

was all ages from kids to adults when we scroll

to me just had a specific age group and for a

specific time and if i'm looking at top 100 especially

top 50 i'm thinking of a show that can go beyond

that so i could see the argument for top top

100, I think more so in the eighties, but you

know, it's a, I definitely could see, I mean,

there's a lot of people who had it very highly

kept, you know, with Steve and Mike weren't alone.

It was in a top 10 for some other people as well.

So there were some people who truly, truly love

the show, but, uh, the last thing I'll say about

it is that it's not more so the earlier seasons

when they're growing up, it's the later seasons

when they have to face adulthood that are, that

really make it good. And it can't help that,

you know, Kit is in real life with William Daniels.

I knew you were going to bring that up at some

point. My whole thing is I would much rather

watch this and get more out of it than I would

if I watched, say, like Full House or any of

those other TGIF programs. So, like, to me, this

was like the stronger show in my opinion of those.

Yeah, I would agree it's better than Full House

and probably Family Matters, but I still, I don't

know. I guess Home Improvement is technically

not a TGIF show. Whatever, I love Family Matters.

I know. I detest Family Matters somewhat. The

only thing I loved about Family Matters was the

Key and Peele sketch, but I'm in the minority.

We talked about that last episode. All right,

well, I think enough of Boy Meets World. If you'd

like to hear people's thoughts, go to KeyCastRadio,

and let's move on to the next in the countdown.

49. We're going in a completely opposite direction

with our next pick with number 49, though we

are staying in the realm of comedy, but a little

bit more, I guess, adults, maybe. I'm not sure.

But coming in at number 49 is Curb Your Enthusiasm

with 642 points, so only five more points than

Boy Meets World. It was on 11 lists. The highest

ranked was 11 by one of DJ's counterparts. Kevin,

I think on the countdown, you're the only one

that ranked this along with myself. You ranked

it at 27. I ranked it at 28. So we were very

copacetic when it came to Curb Your Enthusiasm.

So it's falling much lower than re -ranked it.

What are your thoughts on seeing it coming in

here at 49? My only thought was I didn't know

if maybe people would eliminate it and put just

like Seinfeld on and leave Curb Your Enthusiasm

off if they'd kind of... lump them together as

similar shows so maybe they would only pick one

but i i don't know i still think the writing

and curb your enthusiasm is pretty genius the

comedy is my style so it's something that i appreciate

i can't really sit here by the emergency door

exit i think you better get someone else okay

so we're about three minutes away from wheels

up so you need to just stay put okay you don't

understand i can't be sitting here if something

happens i can't we won't be able to get out calm

down okay i cannot do it i will panic we will

go down All we need to know is that you're willing

to assist passengers in the event of a non -traditional

landing. I cannot be of any help whatsoever in

any kind of non -traditional landing or any traditional

landing. Did you read the brochure? Read the

brochure? I can't read that brochure. It's Chinese

to me. I'm sorry. You're Chinese. You look a

little Asian. I'm sorry. It's just an expression.

I don't think you are Chinese. You look maybe

Thai. I'm not sure. Is it the seat or are you

just scared to fly? No, I choke under pressure

in any kind of game, basketball. If I was on

the foul line towards the last five minutes of

the game, I would miss the entire rim. I couldn't

even hit the rim because I was choking, choking.

Sir, how about I get you a drink? Would you like

a Merlot? No, thank you. I don't drink. I don't

drink. Just please find somebody else to sit

here. I think a lot of circles of people watch

this and talk about it, but it doesn't get talked

about a lot outside of that, which I don't know.

I don't know if it's more of an under -the -radar

thing that not everybody's been exposed to, but

I really enjoy Curb Your Enthusiasm. DJ, any

thoughts on Curb Your Enthusiasm? When I first

started watching Curb Your Enthusiasm, I wasn't

as knowledgeable in movies and TV as I guess

I am now. I'm not saying I'm super knowledgeable,

but I'm way more than I was at the time. And

I didn't know Larry David had anything to do

with Seinfeld. So when I watched the show and

then I figured that out really fast, I was like,

oh, maybe this is just going to be like Seinfeld.

But I think that show, it takes what Seinfeld

was and it... expands upon it into this whole

new world that I don't, and it touches stuff

that Seinfeld could never, I don't think could

touch on basic television, especially the Latin

series. It's the HBO version of Seinfeld. Yeah,

but I mean, even being on HBO where they get

to curse and do all the other stuff, I think

it just got to be its own. It got to make its

own separate universe. Seinfeld has its own thing

with Newman and all of that stuff. But Curb has

a completely different but just as huge universe.

I mean, I haven't watched some of the latter

seasons, but I think I gave up after Cheryl.

And I gave up. I mean, I didn't have time to

finish watching it. But the whole thing with

him sleeping with the woman. who hates jewish

people i think i i think that was like maybe

two seasons ago or three seasons ago i just saw

that one episode like on fringe it is you can

jump anywhere into curb and laugh your ass off

for me anyway that the humor i know justin from

my show he's uh he's huge on larry david uh in

seinfeld so he he was like man you have to start

get back on the horse get back on the horse it's

getting when jb smooth the guy back on there

he's so funny get back on there and i i i got

somewhat on there but uh curb i think i give

it credit for not just doing exactly what seinfeld

did it might seem like that on the periphery

but it did it kind of just takes seinfeld and

expands upon it which i give it credit for yeah

it's you know from everything from the way it's

shot like cinema verite style it's almost documentary

like but not completely to it it's very much

within hollywood and like you know a lot of very

much, you know, the meta jokes and how people

play themselves and do really well. I mean, it

does come with a pedigree as well. It was nominated

for 38 Primetime Emmy Awards. Technically, it's

a show that's not canceled, but... Yeah, but

kind of is. It's so good they can just pick it

back up whenever the hell they want. So, wait,

essentially it's going to become a live -action

Futurama? Kind of, yeah. Well, it's, you know,

they've had, you know, there was a clear history

movie, which not technically Curb Your Enthusiasm,

but very much in the same vein. The way the style

is with the improv comedy, it's really Larry

David giving people that he, you know, his comedian

friends and kind of getting together and making

a funny show, and it ends up working, you know.

That's a good point. that to me is also freaking

awesome i didn't even know that was possible

when i heard about the whole we just have outlines

yeah then we go which is freaking awesome and

uh it gave me a humongous appreciation for super

dave osborne who i used to hate uh maybe because

his humor i was too young for it to understand

his humor and if he is the fun he's one of the

funniest people on that show So, yeah, I forget

his name. He's Albert Brooks' brother, I believe.

Really? I think he's related to Albert Brooks

in some way. But, yeah, great, great, great show.

All righty. Well, for our next countdown, we're

going to get into one of the more unique shows

that will be on the list today for sure. 48.

Coming in at number 48, we have Mystery Science

Theater 3000. With 648 points, it was on 10 lists

as highest ranked as number 2. So it was in one

person's top 5. And DJ, let's start with you

here because it was in your top 5 as well at

number 4. So what are your thoughts on seeing

Mystery Science Theater 3000 fall here? Much

lower or higher, however you want to say it,

than you had it. So you're a little disappointed

it's only at number 48? i'm glad it's in the

top 50 i wish it was higher i mean and when you

told me to make my list i was kind of saying

telling you that i'm gonna do it on shows that

essentially have influenced me and nothing when

it comes from for me being for writing and being

and doing skits and doing the podcast and stuff

like that nothing has influenced our my humor

more than mystery science theater 3000 which

is essentially three guys two of them being robotic

um cracking wise in the movie theater for as

a show it used to come on comedy central at midnight

and i used to fight tired them to stay up to

watch it it was so good with joel and they got

mike later i'm a joel guy uh so in crow t robot

and if you've paid attention to any of my shows

i'm heavily robot influenced because of this

show i didn't know I know in hindsight I realize

they write a lot of their material, but I was

like, man, these are some of the most quick -witted

guys ever. And when I realized they write their

stuff, I'm like, well, they're still very, very

clever jokes. And it made me watch movies that

I would have probably never. Mano's Hands of

Fate, Space Chief, movies like Free Jackin' or

whatever it's called. I'd have never watched

any of these movies. It got me kind of into movies

and got me. into making fun of movies or just

talking about movies. Have you seen The Space

Chief? Have you seen Santa Claus Meets the Martians?

Have you seen any of these movies? Mystery Science

Theater is probably one of my favorite comedic

shows on television. I'm kind of disappointed

it's not higher, but it's to each his own, so

I understand. For me, it's definitely my top

five. Steve, you also had this ranked on your

list. You actually were not that far off at 56,

so what are your thoughts on seeing it here?

I'm actually kind of glad it's on there. Again,

this is one of those categories that they were

films that I would never watch had they not had

the goofy commentaries going through them. And

I can honestly say this is one of the few instances

of DVD, basically movie commentaries that I can

actually sit through because it's entertaining

and it's funny. And I'm not one for B -flicks

at all, but they made them so... hilarious that

it was worth watching uh and i i love the fact

that they're finally kind of they've gotten uh

what was it a kickstarter or patreon yeah they're

coming back two million dollar goal already yeah

yeah so i mean like the following on this show

is just epic just overall everybody loves it

that that's watched it there's there's just a

lot to it that is smart and quick -witted so

kevin i know you did not have it on your list

but any thoughts here on mystery science theater

3000 Yeah, this was one of those that was on

my first draft that was in the possibilities,

but then it just kind of got weeded out. If I

was doing like a top 150, it for sure would have

been in there. And it should probably have made

my list anyways. This is probably one of the

best shows ever to put on with a group of, like,

if you're in high school or college, like just

a group of buddies and just put it on and drink

or do whatever. And it's just like. It's completely

entertaining. You feel like you don't necessarily

have to invest in it or it's not going to tax

your brain or anything like that. It's just put

it on, have fun with the guys that are cracking

all the jokes with their quick -witted humor.

And like DJ and Steve both said, allow yourself

to watch movies you otherwise wouldn't have watched

and find out that you can enjoy something for

entirely different reasons than you think you

can. So yeah, very intelligent. written show

and i have it's one of those rare ones that's

not wasn't on my top 100 that i have no problem

actually making the top 100 great theme song

too mike i also same question for you was not

on your top 100 but what are your thoughts on

seeing it fall here at number 48 I guess it's

alright. I have never actually seen a single

thing from this show. I do not remember at all.

It is on Netflix, so you enjoy yourself. Yeah,

it's on Netflix, and if anyone wants the DVDs,

you can go over to shoutfactory .com and get

all of the DVDs from Shout Factory. I mean, I

came to the show super late. I actually came

to it when it was on SyFy. They would show it

in Saturday mornings, and I... It was like, all

right, there's a good 90 to two hours I'm going

to be doing because I have nothing better to

do. It's one of the first shows to go viral before

viral was a thing or became popular because people

were passing the tapes around, similar to how

South Park became a thing. And it's also, we

talk about TV shows having influence in TV, but

it's obviously, as podcasters, a TV show that

has highly influenced so many podcasts, the idea

of just, it's such a simple concept. Definitely

me. you just wonder like, why didn't anyone else

do it beforehand, but they do it brilliantly

and add a nice little twist to it or just making

fun of movies as they're going on. But there's

a brilliance to them, what they're doing. Like

DJ mentioned, it seems like they're just on the

spot saying it, but obviously they put a lot

of research in, make like the best shows possible.

So it's, I think a lot of, they make it look

easy. And then when you hear other people do

it, you're like, Oh no, this is not nearly as

good. You should not do this. Please stop. I

used to watch it scrambled. This is, this is

going back to the day when there was something

called cable boxes and I couldn't, I didn't have

DVRs now. Yeah. Yeah. We, I didn't have the channel.

I think it came on comedy central than sci -fi.

I didn't have sci -fi, but I had a cable box

where it was, you could, if you went to the channel

in a certain spot, it was scrambled enough where

you could kind of see what was, cause I was so

craved for that humor. I never heard anybody

tell jokes like that before. So, yeah, this show

is one of the building blocks of DJ Valentine.

All right. Well, let's move on to the next in

the countdown as we're getting to our first classic

comedy of the day. 47. We have not had many classic

comedies, but we're getting to another one, and

some may say it's the most classic of all the

classic comedies, as in coming in at number 47,

we have The Honeymooners. It was on 9 lists,

as highest ranked as number 7, with 655 points.

Oddly, I was the only one out of all of us to

rank it. I find that surprising. I guess I'll

start here with The Honeymooners. I had it ranked...

Where did I have it ranked? I had it ranked rather

high. I had it ranked... number 17 on my list

because i i know it's only on for one season

but when i think classic comedy it's one of the

first ones that come to my mind i mean it kind

of provided a type of TV that was never on before,

or a type of people, type of style. Like, TV

was so polished. Everything was so perfect often.

And this was a type of family unit that you would

never see. People would have a lot of problems,

yell at each other. And, you know, Jackie Gleason,

dude. Jackie Gleason has just created anything

he does, comedy or drama, and he created one

of the most iconic characters of all time. You

might as well get this into your head. A fishing

trip is just like a Turkish ban. It's for men

only. I catch the fish, you cook the fish. The

only time we're together is when we eat the fish.

So it's final, it's settled, and it's over and

done with. You are not going on a fishing trip.

shopping to do but i'll have your supper ready

for you in a minute uh alice yes i want to tell

you something well i'll tell you later okay doing

it live every week you know I know remember when

Drew Carey did a live show it was like the biggest

thing ever they just did it as the norm then

and it and it really melded the the stage presence

to television as the tv was really starting off

so I honestly think it should be higher I uh

I'm glad it's on the list I'm glad it's in the

top 50 but for me it's a top 20 show despite

the fact it's only was on for one season because

when it was on it was it was rather popular and

I think We look at iconic shows. I think it ranks

up there. But, Kev, let's start with you here.

Any thoughts on Honeymooners falling in here

at number 47? I guess this is another one I don't

necessarily have a problem. I think this somehow

just kind of got lost in the shuffle as I was

sorting shows and ranking shows and looking at

different aspects of it because I do. I have

liked what I've seen of that. I haven't seen

any episodes for a long time, but when I was

a kid, I remember still thinking it was funny.

It is iconic, like you're talking about, even

though it was only on for one season. I think

somehow it just kind of got lost in the shuffle

with some other classic comedies that I was considering.

And I was kind of, when you said it, I was looking

for where I ranked it on my list, and I was like,

oh, I guess I didn't. But it definitely would

be in consideration. for a spot if i was doing

it again and somehow didn't lose it in the shuffle

i guess yeah i mean it's certainly there's a

lot of shows it's easy to lose stuff but uh uh

mike any thoughts on the honeymooners i remember

a lot of the quotes from the show i mean who

doesn't remember one of these days alice you

know i mean come on spousal abuse okay but that

was a different time okay the the honeymooners

is actually you know tv's answer to nick and

nora honestly I mean, seriously, come on. But

I honestly cannot. The two things I remember

from that show, one has something, you know,

like I said, all the quotes and the lines and

stuff like that. And the other thing is, oh,

I've seen this one. This is a repeat. Repeat?

It just came on from when Marty went back in

time. Probably could watch Jackie Gleason while

we eat. Yeah, exactly. DJ, any thoughts on the

Honeymooners? I really need to go back and watch

that show again. DJ, any thoughts on the Honeymooners?

Again, this is a show I didn't grow up with.

You didn't grow up with it? You weren't born

in, like, you know, 1970s? I'm old. I'm pretty

old. Highlander old. I was introduced to Jackie

Gleason through Smokey and the Bandit because

I'm a huge Smokey and the Bandit fan. And then

people in my family who were older than me were

like, yeah, that's Jackie Gleason. You don't

know Jackie Gleason? I'm like, no, this guy's

awesome. He's so funny. He's like, you should

watch The Honeymooners. And I sat down and watched

a couple episodes when I was very young. And

I was like, wow, this is... irreverent like you're

saying for the time i mean this is essentially

the precursor of shows like married with children

which might or might not be on my list uh you

sound almost ashamed of that no no i'm not ashamed

but yeah it's essentially the joke that they're

saying in that show especially the bam zoom to

the moon all that stuff i'm like wow they they

could get away with this back in the day Holy

crap, you couldn't get away with that now. But

no, these are just geniuses at work. You got

R. Carney, you got Jackie Gleason. These are

like the types of shows, this and I Love Lucy,

that it's like the Mount Martin Rushmore of television

shows. It may not be an influence on me, but

I definitely respect it. Yeah, for sure. I watched

it a lot because my parents were big fans. I

mean, it only had 39 episodes, so it had a few

type of revival shows and here and there, but

they call it the classic 39. I think it certainly

had their impact on TV. All right, any other

thoughts on The Honeymooners before we move on

to the next in the countdown? It influenced and

it pretty much is the inspiration for the Flintstones.

Yes. Definitely. And there was also the Honeymousers

from Looney Tunes. And I really want to think,

I know Mel Blanc had his big deal and his name

was on all the voice characterization, but I

really want to think that was Jackie Gleason

playing the mouse version of Ralph. Honey Mouse,

that's a throwback right there. That's my specialty.

And we'll have another throwback with our next

in the countdown. 46. Coming in at number 46,

it's coming from a time period that we have not

been in. All that much, surprisingly, but I think

there will be one person on the episode that's

at least happy that it's on the list. Maybe not

happy it's high enough. Coming in at number 46,

we have... You gotta love it when a list comes

together. We have the A -Team. It was on my list

as highest ranked as number 5 by none other than

TFG1Mike. And it received 658 points. Only 3

more points than the Honeymooners. Not many people

that will rank A -Team higher than the Honeymooners.

That's what you get here at Geekcast Radio. So,

Mike, let's start with you here as you had it

ranked at number five. You want to know the ironic

thing? I just started re -watching. I just started

watching the first episode like five hours before

we did this recording. You've got to get prepped.

You've got to get prepped. Exactly. So you upset

it's not higher? What are your thoughts seeing

it here at number 46? Even though I'm a diehard

kid of the 80s, I can't expect all the 80s shows

to be top 10, top 20, so... 46 is... I would

say 18 at least deserves top 30, at least at

number 30, maybe. The show characterized four

very different personalities, with Hannibal,

with B .A., with Face, and Murdoch. And... You

always had this sense of, especially with B .A.

and Murdoch, you know, I ain't flying with that

fool. You know, I mean, you just can't help but

quote Mr. T. It's just one of those things where

their quote -unquote friendship, it's just endearing.

It really, really is. And what people may or

may not realize is these are a group of military

men. And that's the other strong thing about

their friendship. And while it's great that MacGyver

can do all the stuff they do by himself, watching

each of them forming the plan that comes together

in each episode to do what they do to stop the

bad guys, to get justice for their clients. People

might say, oh, but they're just soldiers of fortune.

They charge people money. Well, they've got to

be able to do the next scheme or the next adventure.

I absolutely love the A -Team. Coming in at 46,

I don't think it's a bad thing. I'm glad it made

Top 50. Amanda, we even heard from you a little

bit. Any thoughts on the A -Team at all? Is it

a show that you caught up with? I know it's one

that's kind of in the zeitgeist, even if you

didn't see it. So do you think it's deserving

of this high rank? I think that's a good spot.

I didn't see too much of the show. My interaction

with A -Team has been the movie version with

Rampage Jackson. Well, shame. That movie aside,

I think that it's super iconic. Definitely made

Mr. T. a huge icon, and I think that it's definitely

deserving of the top 50. Steve, you actually

had it ranked at 51, so you were not that far

off. So you're happy where it's fallen? Oh, yeah,

I'm happy where it fell. I really enjoyed the

show. I love the theme song. I love the casting.

Just the whole, you know, Soldiers of Fortune

thing, that was one of the fun parts about the

show. And then the witty banter between the...

different and strange personalities that you

had throughout the show. So, you know, it's very

simple, but it's very, very fun. And say what

you will about the movie. I'm sorry. You know.

It's good, but it doesn't replace the original.

It should have been so much better. Okay, yes,

it should have been so much better. But in the

performances way. Liam Neeson was a damn good

stand -in for George Pappard. And just seeing...

Oh God, what's his name? Bradley Cooper? Yes.

Just seeing Bradley Cooper and Dirk Benedict

interact in the sauna scene, that was just epic.

It really, really was. Kev, last week we talked

about how there was not much 80s representation,

which is odd for her countdown at Geekcast Radio.

So I'm guessing you're not... Too surprised that

it's falling here at number 46. I'm not too surprised,

and I definitely think it's an iconic name and

it has iconic personalities and characters involved.

Me personally, I'd probably put five or six other

action shows from the 80s ahead of it as far

as quality goes, but it does have the name recognition,

so I'm not surprised it shows up. DJ, any thoughts

on the A -Team? Oh, man. I might be the wrong

guy to go here because I freaking love the show.

I mean, I ate Mr. T cereal. I watched the Mr.

T cartoon show. I had the car, the die -cast

van. Me and my friends for Halloween, we dressed

up as the freaking A -team. I was George Pappard

because he is my favorite member of the A -team.

I love the A -team so much. I think that was

really what angered me about the movie. It wasn't

what angered me about the movie. I love that

show so much. All the pieces that were there,

it should have worked so much. You got Bradley

Cooper and Liam Neeson and Charlton Copley and

Rampage Jackson, whatever. And then you have

Joe Carnahan. Yeah, Joe Carnahan as a director.

I'm like, this should have been so much better.

A guy who did NARC? Let's go. And it's just kind

of like, eh. Again, it's my childhood bias. i

don't know correct me if i'm wrong i've always

wondered this george george papard's character

um hannibal awesome awesome awesome he has he

wore because my costume was the gloves i had

the black gloves and i had the cigar and i had

to like the the members only jacket He had burn

marks on his hands? Is that what was going on

where he wore the gloves all the time? I'm not

sure. I have to re -watch it. I remember him,

because he'd be on the cover of the DVDs wearing

the black leather gloves, and I go, I wonder

why he, I think it's... Was it a tribute to Michael

Jackson? Oh, wow. No, you didn't just go there.

Did you just three snaps and see formation over

there? Because that's what that sounds like.

I think it was two snaps and a twist. And all

I can think of think of is is kit from night

rider back in 82 in part one and michael jackson

moonwalk but no a team is awesome i love the

show so much i don't know i can't remember where

i put it it might not even been i had to like

fight my heart and my head when I was making

my list. So if it was my heart, it'd be really,

really, really high. But yeah, I love the 18.

Well, now that I know you're a super fan, I've

got plans for you podcasting wise regarding the

show. Let's do it. Be scared. Be very scared.

All right. Well, for our next in the countdown,

you know, we always have those shows of the content

people talk about. I think this will probably

definitely be one of them. 45. Coming in at number

45, it wasn't inevitable you'd get here sometime.

The question was when. At number 45, we're having

another superhero show, another CW superhero

show. Arrow fell at 52. The Flash is falling

at number 45 with 692 points. Highest ranked

as number 3, of course. And was on 9 lists. And

I know, Mike, you had this in your top 10 at

number 10. So again... Two shows in a row, two

shows in the year, top ten going down. Little

upset that The Flash is falling here at number

45? Well, first of all, I want to throw somebody

under the bus and ask Kevin why he thinks the

writing is so bad in this show. When did I ever

say the writing was bad in The Flash? You said

the writing was bad and the show was cheesy.

I was referring to Gotham. That would be correct.

That was all about Gotham. It sounded like you

were talking about The Flash in that comment.

But anyway, The Flash, no. I just said on this

week's Altered Geek that until this show, I didn't

care one bit about learning anything about Barry

Allen. I grew up with the Justice League, Justice

League Unlimited, DC Animated Universe, and Wally

West was my flash. And having this show come

out of Arrow and I wasn't upset that it was Barry

and not Wally or whatever, I was interested because

at that point, when arrow debuted the thing it

um you know it was it was cool and i love the

effects i love the cast uh the action in the

show is just great some people might say that

season one was a lot of villain of the week i

don't see it that way because At least after

episode 15 or 16 out of that 22 -episode season,

22, 23, however many they had. I think they had

23. I don't know. Whatever. After episode 15

or so, the show started going in a direction

of following the timeline and dealing with Harrison

Wells and dealing with him being Eobard Thawne

and everything else. And season two has only

kicked it up even more. It really has. With the

whole breaches thing and now we have the Infinite

Earths and all that. The way I look at The Flash

at this point is Season 1 was Flashpoint. Season

2 is Crisis on Infinite Earths. And I just can't

wait to watch every single episode of this show.

It's just so good. I think the coolest thing

they did, the coolest comedy moment they did

was actually in Season 1 when they actually...

Said, hey, look, here's Grant Gustin. He used

to be on Glee, and they had the karaoke episode.

I thought that was awesome. Steve, you had us

at number four, actually the second highest ranker

of The Flash. So what are your thoughts on seeing

it fall all the way at number 45? I'm sad. I

thought it was at least top 25. I really enjoyed

it. This is probably one of the most... enjoyable

superhero shows for me out of all of the ones

that I've ranked. And to see it fall this low,

this place in the list, just has me sad. The

special effects are great for what it is. It's

got one of the highest rankings. It's actually

caused CW to actually be one of the highest ranking

channels due to this show alone. And the fact

that it's... You know, for those that love Daredevil,

okay, I get that. But for anything that's on

television right now that's actually on TV, I

think The Flash is the strongest one out of all

of them. Amanda, let's throw it over to you.

Thoughts on seeing this? I know we had a lot

of love, but people think it's too low. Do you

think it's too high and it's more of a product

of the superhero bias we are known and loved

for? I think it's definitely a product of...

of our geek bias here with the comic book stuff.

I've seen some of this when it first came out.

I dragged Kevin along for the first couple episodes,

and I don't think that we got very far in it

at all. We're trying to match it up with our

Arrow watching at the same time. I even watched

Flashpoint Paradox for this to try to get a feel

of it. It was okay. I don't think it's as good

as Arrow. I'm surprised that it's beating out

Arrow, honestly. Interesting, interesting. DJ,

thoughts on The Flash? I know you're more of

a Marvel fan, if I'm not mistaken, but... Well,

I live -tweet Flash and Arrow and Supergirl at

Channel Superhero, and we talk about Flash and

Arrow comparisons on our show all the time. I

think the difference between Arrow and Flash

is that Arrow... One, it was the litmus test

for this. Well, I guess Smallville was, but this

new iteration of Greg Berlanti stuff. Arrow hit

its stride probably season two, and it kind of

got lost its way halfway through season three.

Flash hit its stride midway through season one,

and its consistency of the show is just so...

It doesn't lose its consistency. Arrow kind of

gets a little herky -jerky now, where you don't

know... It's kind of unsure tonally. Flash, from

the get -go, it's probably one of the most...

I wouldn't say it's my favorite comic book show.

I am one of those Daredevil guys. But it's probably

the most consistently good show of all the comic

book shows. You can find an Arrow stinker in

there somewhere, or even a Daredevil stinker,

which is very hard for me to find. or definitely

an Ages of Steel stinker, or an entire season

of Gotham, which all stinks. But Flash is just

consistent, and one of the positives of the show

that is probably overlooked by everybody, Grant

Gustin, I... apologize i didn't think he was

going to be that great when i heard about him

and he's great but it's the supporting cast around

him that makes that show so good jesse l martin

joe i always say as i'm live tweeting the show

is my favorite character on the show he is such

a grounding force to that show any scene with

him and and uh grant gustin barry if you read

it on a paper it's the most cheesiest cliche

thing you've ever read in your life but they

are such jesse l martin especially maybe john

wesley shipped the original flash they're such

good at portraying this cheesy thing and such

a realistic and actually endearing manner, which

I think Arrow sometimes has problems doing. Their

actors around Stephen Amell aren't as strong

as you got Tom Cavanaugh, you got Jesse L. Martin,

John Wesley Shipp, as I mentioned, Mark frickin'

Hamill will show up once in a while. It's such

a consistently good show, so I would say this

is high because it's so new, but I, again, I

can understand. So I definitely need to finish

watching at least the first season? Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, if you hit your anchor onto the supporting

actors. First off, Sisko gets way better on that

show. At the first four episodes, I hated him.

I was like, I hate this guy. Even when he was

on Arrow, I was like, please stop talking. Please

stop talking. But now he gets every good line

of the show. It's now the Cisco. When I'm live

tweeting it, it's the Cisco watch. When is it

going to be the Cisco line of the night or something?

And they got like great character. Victor Garber,

I forgot about, will show up and just do great

performances on that show. Arrow is kind of lacking

in that strong. Other than Barrowman, they don't

have a really strong. grounding force around

Stephen Amell. Stephen Amell says she's carrying

it because it's not Laura Lance. It's not Thea.

It's Barrowman. It's probably David Ramsey for

Diggle. And that's about it. And Felicity. Felicity,

who got good and sucked last season. They effed

up her character. And everybody around Grant

Gustin on that show is a veteran good actor.

So, yeah, Flash is a great show. For me, it doesn't

beat out Daredevil. But it's still a very, very

good show. It is very strong, like, overall between

all the people. And I do agree. Sisko does get

better with time. And especially with Season

2, he has a more amped up role because of events

that happen at the end of Season 1. So it's definitely...

it's only gotten stronger, whereas a lot of the

other superhero shows kind of have ups and downs.

And even talking like Gotham, Gotham only got

good in season two, season one blew through most

of it. And then you get Agents of S .H .I .E

.L .D. and the third season actually starting

to get better, starting. arrow the the seasons

better now so i mean like overall flash is the

only one consistently getting better at each

episode kevin uh usually when we get to the top

50 the question usually stops being do these

shows belong in the top 100 and more so they

shouldn't belong is this one of the shows where

we're seeing that maybe doesn't belong in the

top 100 Well, I mean, you asked before about

a superhero bias. We have Agents of S .H .I .E

.L .D. on our top 100 TV shows of all time. So

the only thing that's surprising me about our

superhero bias is somehow a show like Gotham

somehow didn't make the list. But I mean, I'm

surprised it didn't. with some of the other stuff

that we've seen so i mean i think the flash is

a great show i mean i've only seen about a third

of the third or a half of the first season and

you know i like arrow i like flash i really really

like daredevil and so all these shows are good

but flash and arrow being top 50 around that

mark of all time that's a little bit high If

at all. I mean, I could see this maybe if they

came in in the 90s or something like that. Yeah,

I didn't rank The Flash or The Arrow. I like

The Flash a lot. Arrow, like I said last week,

as DJ mentioned too, it's way too inconsistent

for me. Flash is a good show. I'm not saying

this as a knock against The Flash, but you're

talking about top 50 shows of all time, not,

you know, top 50 shows of today, definitely.

Of all time, I don't know. We talked about Kirby

Enthusiasm, the Honeymooners. Am I putting The

Flash in that same category? No. If I'm comparing

it within its genre of the superhero shows, it's

certainly up there. But if we're getting into

the best of the best, I don't necessarily see

it yet. Its potential, I don't know. I enjoy

it, but it's not something where... I feel that

it's deserving at this point, where I know I

do have ranked current shows that only are on

one season, and I've enjoyed The Flash, but looking

at Mr. Robot, DJ's favorite show that we talked

about last week, looking at that season compared

to this, I think Mr. Robot's far more deserving

based upon what it's done than The Flash. Not

saying, again, it's not a bad show, it's a enjoyable

show, but I think it's more so if you remove

the fact that superheroes and... then I don't

know if it would be nearly this high. Well, this

might give hope to those people that were holding

out hope that they might see something like The

Incredible Hulk show up. I mean, if The Flash

is showing up, maybe we'll get some classic stuff.

I mean, we live in a world where Gorilla Grodd

shows up in multiple episodes. I mean, if you're

not a comic book reader... The absurdity of them

doing a TV show where Rainbow Warrior shows up

and Wentworth Miller is Captain Cole. I'm sorry.

For a comic book old geek like me, it's just

kind of – I'm not a DC – I'm a Marvel over DC,

but I've read DCs, and I know some of how kooky

Flash's rogues gallery is. And these guys seem

to figure out how to not – shy away from it,

play upon it, or, you know, use the absurdity

to their advantage. And Arrow is only good now

when he's with him. When Arrow shows up on the

Flash, it's like, that's the Arrow I love. Where

has that Arrow gone? Well, you said earlier that

Arrow is kind of herky -jerky, and all I can

think of is, so essentially what you're saying

is Arrow is essentially Humpty Dumpty just dangling

on the wall. I will say Arrow does have this

every other season thing, kind of like the Star

Trek films. The first season's not very good,

second's great, third's not very good, and then

the fourth is great so far. I'm just worried

about Flash. Like, this is the second season.

This is when Arrow hit its stride, and then it

fell off a cliff, literally. I just think there's

a lot more to do with the Flash, though, than

with Arrow. Like, Arrow's having to tap into,

like, a lot of other DC's rogues' galleries.

They're just doing Batman with Green Arrow because

they can't use Batman for some reason. Which

is ridiculous. Which to me is fine. I just wish

you'd, you know... I don't know. It just seems

like it's half -boiled. I know you guys probably

already talked to Arrow to death last time, so

I'll just stick with Flash. Flash is just so...

You can just... see it it's consistent i just

hope it doesn't again fall off a cliff literally

like arrow damage and it's such a fun show even

when at the end of season one and i'm trying

my best not to spoil this for kevin and amanda

even at the end of season one going into season

two how it got so dark It didn't get dark like

Arrow got dark. It still had a light -hearted

humor to it underneath the tones that were dark.

And that's what works. You mentioned earlier

about Jesse L. Martin. As soon as I saw him cast

as Joe West, I'm like, oh my god. It's Mr. Law

and Order himself. It's like, oh, my God. Yes,

and he's playing a cop. That's great. That works.

He owns every single scene he's in. He owns the

scene. Have you seen the most recent episode?

Yeah, I'm going to have to. The three of them.

All three. Barry, Joe, and Henry. No, Henry.

They owned that entire ending scene. That was

amazing. There's a scene last, not this episode

that just aired, the episode before. I won't

spoil anything, but something happens with Flash,

and Tom Cavanaugh is essentially trying to be

this big, bad, mean dude. And Jesse L. Martin

is angry, and he slams Tom Cavanaugh against

this wall. And it's the most real. I was like,

whoa. It was just such a great moment because

it was real. It's like, oh, my God. Jesse L.

Martin is just owning this show. He's not going

to get the credit because he doesn't run super

fast or have any powers. He's just a good man

who's a father figure to Barry, which is a grounding

force, which Arrow is severely lacking right

now. So, I mean, other than Felicity, there's

not a lot of grounding forces around Stephen

Amell acting wise. You know what that scene reminded

me of? Good Will Hunting. Don't you ever disrespect

my wife again. Yes. End you. That scene. End

you. Perfect, perfect example. Because it made

me jump like, oh, yeah, all right. And then I

understood it like, yep, he doesn't give a crap

about how cool you think you are or any of that

stuff. You mess with my family, I'll kill you.

That was just such a realistic moment, I thought.

Absolutely. All right. Well, let's move on to

the next in the countdown. 44. All righty. Well,

coming in at number 44, we're actually traveling

to a ground that we saw a lot of so far in this

countdown, surprisingly, which is one of the

big surprises as we go back to the world of sketch

comedy. As in coming in at number 44 is Chappelle's

Show with 694 points. It was on 11th in the list

as highest ranked as number three. Actually,

DJ, I will start with you here as you had it

at number 10. So again, situation where it's

not nearly as high as you ranked it. A little

disappointed. We are not seeing Chappelle's show

higher than number 44. I think the flaming out

of the Chappelle's show and that kind of ghost

season that happened while Dave was in Africa

trying to find himself again kind of might have

tainted a bit. You have to understand when Chappelle's

show came out, it was like a phenomenon. It wasn't

just like, oh, that was really funny. Everybody

at any walks of life was talking about. Chappelle,

do you see the Rick James sketch? Did you see

the Prince basketball sketch? Did you see the

race draft? Did you see that? I mean, every sketch

was, I mean, you watch SNL. There's like one

sketch maybe out of three episodes that are like,

oh, that was really funny. Every sketch on Chappelle's

show was just knocking it out of the park. And

this is why I kind of like Key and Peele, even

them, who I love a lot, they all have a sketch

in there that's kind of like, eh, that was all

right. And Chappelle was knocking them all out

of the park. And we were just seeing a comedian

really at the height of his powers, almost Eddie

Murphy -like. I'm not saying he's as good as

Eddie Murphy because Eddie Murphy was another.

He's like a freaking icon. He still is. But it

was just like such a rise to power. And as you

see, Chappelle knew he was rising. very fast,

and that pressure against, this was so much to

bear, but that show is so great. I'm looking

at it right now. It's on my calendar. Both seasons

of The Spell Show. I have season one and season

two. It is so funny. And the drop -off in comedy

after that show went off the air. It's like a

black hole. It's the gargantuan and interstellar.

When Chappelle left, there was an abyss of no

comedy until Key and Peele kind of showed up,

which I think It's not – Key and Peele is a great

show. It's not as good as Chappelle's show, but

they're a nice ointment for the burn left after

Chappelle left. Definitely, I think Key and Peele

started them getting much better shows than they

had in a long time, a show that was not Tosh

.0. Kevin, I know we talked about the fact that

sketch comedy being a big surprise, and you mentioning

that you'd be surprised if we saw more modern

sketch comedy than classic sketch comedy. Was

this one that you're surprised at seeing as we're

getting Chappelle's show here at number 44? No,

I'm not necessarily surprised at seeing it. It

does support the fact that somehow we're going

to see more modern sketch comedies than classic

when I think it was much more of a staple for

classic TV in the 50s and whatnot. I ranked six

sketch comedies in my top 100. This just was

on the outside looking in. If I was to add one

or two more sketch comedies, this would have

definitely been one of them. I agree with everything

you guys have been saying about Chappelle's show

and how popular it was. Like DJ was saying, the

biggest draw to it was the fact that it was hit

after hit after hit, where there's been times

when Saturday Night Live can get to that point,

but it's been, for me, a long time since it's

been that. There's a lot more misses on Saturday

Night Live than you got with Chappelle's show.

I don't know if it's fair to judge three years

versus... decades of shows of course but um yeah

i mean chapelle show is great i wish it would

have i was kind of getting into it the most right

as it kind of fizzled out so it was kind of a

bummer but uh i think it's i think it's deserving

of being in the conversation regardless of if

it's on the list or not amanda any thoughts on

chapelle show I actually rigged it at number

98. I wanted to put it higher, but I just had

so much on my list that I couldn't squeak it

in. Who doesn't like the black white supremacist

skin? I thought that was awesome. I have that

entire skit memorized. I love it so much. I think

he was super revolutionary. And I think he took,

like DJ said, that... eddie murphy richard prior

feel and turned it into some something modern

that people could really get behind and and put

a bunch of stuff out there that people were too

scared to to bring up or they they didn't want

to risk their reputation but his whole reputation

was based on this controversy and he made it

happen yeah and i remember being one of the first

shows that it was like a web hit in the sense

that the night after it came on i was in high

school and we were going to the computers and

we're watching those skits and trying and the

old computers when you're in high school they

did we know you just had a birthday dance they

were they were the size of a room Do you want

to play a game? It was a good time. I remember

being one of the first shows where it was an

internet sensation as well because of just how

great it was. I think it could have even... It

didn't drop off because... Well, it dropped off

not because of quality, but just because of...

factors outside of the show and if you know chapelle

stayed with it it could have even been better

but the what he did do was certainly phenomenal

and the fact that still gets run on comedy central

and it's still like one of the best rated shows

on that network even though it's not been on

the air or new episodes for over a decade so

it does show you that you know the quality of

that show all righty let's move on to next in

the countdown 43 Coming in at number 43, we're

going to one place we were at once so far. Going

back there again, we've talked about different

networks and things like that. FX has been dominated

in the countdown. Well, we had one Netflix show,

and we're getting another Netflix show. Coming

in at number 43, we have House of Cards with

694 points. It was on 11 lists, highest ranked

at number 4, so it was in someone's top 5. DJ,

I'll again start with you because you did have

this on your list. So what are your thoughts

on seeing House of Cards drop here at number

43? Think it's too low, too high? Good spot?

I think it's a little low. I think time's going

to tell. This is one of the most successful remakes

of a show because this is up there with The Office,

I guess, because this is the British miniseries.

House of Cards is also very, like, renowned and

people like. But if you watch this show, man,

it is, people talk about scandal. And I was having

a big discussion with my sister, who's a huge

Scandal fan. She's like, why don't you watch

Scandal? Because I go, well, I can watch House

of Cards, which is a better written, better performed

show with Oscar -winning actors and Oscar -nominated

directors with the same kind of subject matter

and enjoy that in a movie form with no censorship.

That's why I watch House of Cards and not Scandal,

because you got Kevin frickin' Spacey, all right?

David Fincher that directs the pilot. Oh. President

-elect Garrett Walker. Do I like him? No. Do

I believe in him? That's beside the point. Any

politician that gets 70 million votes has tapped

into something larger than himself, larger than

even me, as much as I hate to admit it. Look

at that winning smile, those trusting eyes. I

latched onto him early on and made myself vital.

After 22 years in Congress, I can smell which

way the wind is blowing. Oh, Jim Matthews, his

right honorable vice president, former governor

of Pennsylvania. He did his duty in delivering

the Keystone State, bless his heart, and now

they're about to put him out to pasture. But

he looks happy enough, doesn't he? For some,

he's simply the size of a chair. Linda Vasquez,

Walker's chief of staff. I got her hired. She's

a woman, check, and a Latina, check, but more

important than that, she's as tough as a $2 steak.

Check, check, check. When it comes to the White

House, you not only need the keys in your back

pocket, you need the gatekeeper. As for me, I'm

just the lowly House majority whip. I keep things

moving in a Congress choked by pettiness and

lassitude. My job is to clear the pipes and keep

the sludge moving. But I won't have to be a plumber

much longer. I've done my time. I've backed the

right man. Give and take. Robin Wright, if you

know anything about me, I'm a huge proponent

of... strong female characters, and Robin Wright

might play the strongest female character we've

seen on television in maybe 20 years. It's essentially

Macbeth, and it's just, she is the Lady Macbeth

of this show. And what got me, kind of a spoiler

alert, there's a sequence that happens in the

first, maybe one or two episodes, maybe the first

episode, where she, Kevin Spacey's a politician,

he kind of cheats on... Robin Wright with this

other character. And when he comes home, you're

just going to see how is this going to play out?

And you realize she knows all about it. She doesn't

care anything about that. Their relationship

is strong enough to where it's about power for

them. Sex is a tool to get what they want. It's

such a well -written, and the way Robin Wright

performs, it's such a well -written, well -performed

show. from top to bottom. And I know if you're

not into politics and stuff, it could get a little,

I know, over your head stuff. All you got to

do is just tie your boat to Kevin Spacey. He

is the driving force of this show, on top of

the fact that he's breaking the fourth wall.

And as a Deadpool fan, any guy who breaks the

fourth wall, Ferris Bueller, is great. It's great.

And the second, the season that this passed was

probably the weakest of the seasons, but still

as weak as it could have been. And it's still

Kevin Spacey just killing it on that show. One

of probably the best actors working right now.

So, yeah, House of Cards, great show for me.

As someone who loves monologues, House of Cards

is perfect because Kevin Spacey has a bunch of

them nearly every other episode. Just him and

his, like you said, breaking the fourth wall

monologue. Having that Fincher style to it, the

cinematic feeling. There's this dark, ominous

tone throughout the series. I kind of love season

two the most because it gets so just... outrageous,

like super opera, just crazy at times where it's

like, okay, there's no, there's no barriers anymore.

They're just going to be super cheesy, cheesy

is a strong word, sleazy maybe, and like just

revel in it. You know, they're going to go some

really interesting places. Like you mentioned,

I thought season three was probably, I just felt

like season three just was trying to lead something

and didn't quite get there. Well, they weakened,

they weakened Robin Wright, which I got, I got

upset about because she, I'm telling you, she's

my, again, favorite character on the show because

she is such, the anti cliched woman in a television

show like this where it's like oh she'll complain

about this no she won't she'll revel in it or

she will she'll uh revel in this no she this

affects her it's like it's she does everything

that you think she's gonna how she's gonna react

is the complete opposite it's so interesting

to watch her play it it's also a show that you

know has a huge impact just because it legitimizes

netflix as a as a location for television. It

kind of put all of its money in the basket of

House of Cards, and it ended up paying off. It

was nominated. It was the first web series nominated

for major Emmys, for Best Series, Golden Globes

as well. Kevin Spacey has been nominated, Robin

Wright as well. So it has a pedigree there. There

was a lot of pressure on House of Cards to succeed,

and if it didn't succeed, Netflix may not be

what it is now. We may not get shows like Daredevil

or Jessica Jones because House of Cards isn't

successful. who knows what happens with netflix

so it ended up paying off and people loving it.

I know people, when the series is coming out,

I knew people who would take the day off because

they want to sit home and watch the entire series.

I was one of those people. Season two, I ran

through that. I was like, I've got to make a

weekend of this because I was just going to watch

the whole series. Again, it's just great. Corey

Stoll, Jodie Foster directed a couple episodes.

Just so much talent has run through that series.

It's phenomenal. All right. I'm trying to come

up with a non sequitur for our next entry as

we get into number 42. 42. Coming in at number

42, we're going to an area we're very familiar

with when it comes to the world of the top 100s,

as in the world of animation, as we're getting

another animated show, our third of the countdown

so far. Coming in at number 2, we have Family

Guy with 697 points, so only 3 more points than

that of House of Cards. It was on 11 lists, as

highest ranked as number 5. Steve, let's start

with you here, because you had it ranked at number

70, so the other... half of the top 50. What

are your thoughts on seeing it make the top 50?

Do you feel it's deserving? Do you feel it should

be higher on the list or lower? Or again, I can't

ever figure out which way direction wise that

you go. I'm not disappointed with it. I kind

of saw that coming at some point. I was actually

wondering when it was going to show up more so

because the following it has besides the fact

that it's well, I mean, it didn't get canceled

and revived at one point. Yeah. Yeah. That's

what I thought. I think it's a little bit better

than Simpsons to some degree because it kind

of still covers some other things that, I don't

know, I think it's still fresh enough that it

can hit some different notes that Simpsons has

kind of lost over the years, if that makes any

sense. I just, I think that the show, like, it's

not one of my favorites, but it's definitely

an iconic primetime Sunday animation show. Yeah,

it's definitely something that gets talked about

a lot. It's definitely very much in the now and,

you know, something that people are aware of.

Everybody knows the characters involved. For

me, oddly enough, you'd be surprised, Mike, but

I didn't actually rank it in my top 100. I refuse

to. We know your thoughts about it. I refuse.

Like, just no. Okay, go ahead, Mike. But I only

had room for three animated TV shows in my top

100. If I was to expand that to like five, Family

Guy probably with one other one would have snuck

in. But I don't think you can deny the presence

of Family Guy over the last decade, decade and

a half. I don't know. I did not think it would

be on the countdown, and I definitely did not

think it would be up this high, but I was smiling

from ear to ear when Dan said it just because

I was picturing Mike's face. Of pure anger. Yeah,

he hates this show unequivocally for no reason.

So, DJ, what do you think about Family Guy? I

got into Family Guy in college, and would just

say that during college, coming home after, you

know, Being out and you're with a bunch of your

friends and you're maybe imbibing in certain

things. Family Guy is a great show for that.

And we were very happy to see a lot of pop culture

references that we grew up with. Cobra Commander,

for one, showing up on a cartoon show as a joke,

which I thought I would never see. Simpsons wouldn't

do that. But as I got older and I compared it

to shows like A South Park where they're handling

issues. in a much better written way and a cleverer

way. And Family Guy, this comes off a little

bit more shallow in terms of we're just going

to show you a pop culture reference and we're

going to beat this joke until it's pulp. You

know, that kind of bothered me. So when I was

younger and I didn't care, it was a good show

to just come home at two o 'clock in the morning,

pop on and, you know, giggle with your friends.

But when it comes to the grand scheme of animated

shows that are more geared toward adults, I would.

put it under, definitely under South Park, and

I guess just for longevity's sake, I'd put it

under Simpsons. Yeah, and the other one that's

already shown up, the one animated that has shown

up is The Flintstones, and I don't think you

can put Family Guy ahead of that. I think the

biggest drawback from Family Guy for me, as someone

who actually loves the show, is it does definitely

have some consistency issues, and it has its

ups and downs, and for that reason, I don't see

it as a top 50 show. I'd switch to Flintstones

in this. Easily. I'd switch your mom for this.

Jesus. Well, she's dead. You want to go dig her

up? No. This has gotten really dark all of a

sudden. You said, DJ, you said imbibing all I

can think of is dogma. Angels can't imbibe alcohol,

hence all the spitting. I am Alan Rickman. DJ

hit it right on the head, though. The best way

to watch Family Guy and experience it was in

college was after a night of drinking and was

with just a few friends because that was when

it was at its highest. That's what it was made

for. That's literally why it got a second life

because it got canceled and then people bought

it on DVD and would pop it in at 2 o 'clock in

the morning coming from the club. It was probably

watched more on DVD than it was on TV. Definitely.

So, yeah. I mean, again, in that veil of... intoxication

it's probably very great but when you start putting

it up soberly again writing wise and i mean me

being very highfalutin and saying writing wise

and story wise and consistently wise i just don't

get as clever a writing it's essentially just

a pop culture joke uh callback pop culture joke

callback show where south park is doing taking

that pop culture reference and really just dig

it into the clever part of it I mean, it might

seem like, oh, it's a fart joke or they're killing,

killing. No, no, no, no. They do certain things

on that show where it's really deconstruct, especially

the episode where they crapped all over Simpsons

and Family Guy. So, yeah. Or the Yelp episode.

The Yelp episode was awesome. Yeah. I mean, they

essentially deconstructed and showed you the

formula that makes Pop Family Guy run, which

is good, again, in short doses. But as a longevity

of a show, it's not that great. All right. Any

other thoughts on Family Guy before we move on

to the next in the countdown? All righty. Let's

move on to our next in the list. And we are,

again, one of the shows I feel like are going

to be a highlight of this countdown. 41. With

Boy Which Will, we had a show that was very much

the 90s, very much in the zeitgeist that we grew

up in. And I feel that's the same thing with

our next entry at number 41. As I remember when

this debuted on Netflix, it was one of the most

talked about shows, even though it was over for

a decade. As coming in at number 41, we have

Friends. And it's the first show to break the

700 point barrier as it received 700 points.

It was on 11 lists, as high as ranked as number

6. So it was on one person's top 10. Kevin, I

will start with you here. This is a lot lower

ranked than you had it. I think you had it in

your top 20. So you think this is a little low

for friends coming in here at 41. It's probably

a little low. I know Friends is getting maybe

a little bit more hate from people as years pass,

and I know obviously this is part of the influence

for why we're doing this list in the first place,

but I think the reason I do still rank Friends

slightly higher than this is because it was not

necessarily the carbon copy sitcom or whatever

you want to call it. I mean... You had so many

sitcoms that were following the same formula,

had the family element or this, that, and the

other. You can't name too many that were like

Friends before that. Maybe a couple in a roundabout

way could be compared to it, but it was very

unique. It definitely was on for 10 seasons,

and it was easily one of the most popular. shows

for an entire generation an entire decade it

was in the it was a top 10 rated show nine of

its 10 seasons including number one rated show

in the country one of those years so it was definitely

very popular um and i don't know i think there's

something to say for the format and for what

they were doing and and yeah some of the stuff

got drawn out maybe longer than needed to and

I just didn't care. No! I think it's okay. I

had it ranked pretty high on my list just because

of the huge following that it had. And I think

it still has to this day. I mean, I think it

sparked Jennifer Aniston's career. Definitely.

Right. I mean, not the leprechaun that she was

in. That was a key component. That got her the,

we are the millers. Don't crap on leprechaun.

Don't you dare. I saw that like age six. I've

been on board for a while with the leprechaun

train, but Jennifer Aniston. You know, Joey,

didn't he get his own show for a second too?

For a second. That happened. That did happen.

I think that it probably gets more love than

it does deserve just because it got drawn out

after a while. But it's just, you can't deny

the iconic nature of it. Yeah, I mean, I did

grow up really loving The Friends. I still like

it now. It's on, like, TBS or syndication a lot.

I think the first thing I remember of Friends

seeing was actually an Animaniacs episode before

I started watching Friends and then getting into

it. And I think, too, it's one of the first ensemble

comedies where there was not a major character.

That was the center point. Like, they all had,

like, equal time. And the chemistry between the

cast was certainly phenomenal. I mean, it went

on for ten seasons. maybe the latter seasons

weren't as good as the prime, but it's also just,

you know, it was so much of the nineties. I watched

the, you know, watching it on Netflix. Now it

just feels like a representation of everything.

Nineties from the dress to the hairstyles, the

way they talk, like Chandler started a new way

of talking. Like there's so many people that

talk like Chandler. Now, you know, could you

be more annoying? You know, that, that became

a thing and still is to this day. So, and I think

it's, it is quite funny. It was highly rated.

It had was, uh, Like Kevin mentioned, it was

a very popular show. It received 62 Primetime

Emmy Award nominations. It's won a bunch as well.

So it's one of those shows that both had critical

and fan base. So I think it's definitely deserving.

41 is a good spot. I think you could make the

argument it could be higher. But DJ, any thoughts

before we move on to the next in the countdown?

I kind of was introduced to this show. through

Chandler because, uh, I didn't understand what

the hell the big deal is with friends. And somebody

goes, Hey, you watch this episode with me. And,

uh, I was, I was trying to date this person.

So I was like, fine, I'll watch the episode.

And it was, uh, the I'm trapped in an ATM vestibule

with Jill Goodacre. And that was, I thought was

really funny. And I was like, Oh, that was pretty

funny. Uh, I'll stick to Chandler. And I started

watching some of these shows. I was like, Hmm,

this show is not meant for me, but it is a, it's

like the McDonald's. It's I, I don't, eat mcdonald's

but i understand that it's a global freaking

phenomenon and i cannot escape it so i i understand

that uh being ranked on this list this wouldn't

be ranked anywhere on my list and it's oddly

the the for them to be in new york the the demographics

of that show always bothered me a little bit

but i mean that's just i could kind of chocolate

love our friends I think that show killed the

Rembrandts' career, honestly. Whatever the hell

happened to that band? I don't know. It made

their career and it killed it, because I'm pretty

sure that was... Yeah. And honestly, the only

episode I remember from the show outside of the

constant will -they -won't -they crap from Ross

and Rachel was the Hootie and the Glowfish concert.

I'd pick you for a Stinky Cat episode, guy. Those

are good episodes, too. I mean, when she had

the sexy voice, that was a good time. I was once

compared to Phoebe from Friends. I don't get

it. I guess that's better than being at Rachel.

I don't know. How many people have seen those

stupid quizzes on Facebook? Like, what Friends

person are you? I always get the monkey. I'm

weird. I don't know. You got the outbreak monkey?

Oh, my God. That's the best character in the

whole series. You killed Kevin Spacey. All right.

Well, let's move on to the next in the countdown.

40. Coming in at number 40, we're going across

the pond for our number 40 entry. Coming in with

717 points. It was on 12 lists, as high as ranked

as number 1. So we are seeing another number

1 fall the second of the countdown today. It

is Sherlock. the BBC drama starring none other

than the best -named actor today, Benedict Cumberbatch

and Martin Freeman. DJ, you had this ranked as

well rather high, so what are your thoughts on

seeing Sherlock fall here? The great thing about

the character of Sherlock Holmes is that you

can make 75 different iterations of him, and

they all be equally... Interesting. I mean, you

have Mr. Holmes, you've got Benedict, you got

Elementary, you got Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock

Holmes, Benedict Cumberbatch. It was something

I kind of found on a like some, oh, watch this

BBC show. And I kind of didn't really was I wasn't

really going to sit there and watch it. And the

scene where he figures out. In the first episode,

Martin Freeman's backstory by the phone, the

way they shot it, Moffat does it with the text

on the screen. I just thought it was, this is

a different take from any Sherlock Holmes I've

seen. And I've seen so many Sherlock Holmes versions.

We were just coming off of the Robert Downey

Jr. one where Guy Ritchie was doing the play

it in your head and play it back thing. And this

is a completely different way of how his mind

works. Instead of the manic, Robert Downey Jr.

kind of played it like. the drug -induced homes

uh benedict was playing it almost like asperger's

like it's like he can't control it kind of thing

i just thought it was very very very interesting

i do love the show i love the way they formatted

it where it's just three mini movies kind of

sherlock actual human like just just so i know

do you care about that at all well caring about

them helps save them nope then i'll continue

not to make that mistake and you find that easy

yes very is that news to you no no I've disappointed

you. It's good. It's a good deduction, yeah.

Don't make people into heroes, John. Heroes don't

exist. And if they did, I wouldn't be one of

them. And the chemistry with Benedict and Martin

Freeman is, I think, I want to say the best.

I do love Robert Downey Jr. and Jude Law. I'm

not a big fan of – I like the show, but I don't

think the chemistry between Lucy Liu and the

other guy from Trainspotting Africa is there

right now. Johnny Lee Miller. Johnny Lee Miller.

I don't think their chemistry is as good as Martin

Freeman and Benedict Cumberbatch. He is great.

And he was supposed to be Doctor Who, and I think

they cast – I think it was Matt Smith instead

or something, and they gave him Sherlock instead.

And it's such a really well -written show. So,

yeah, I'm a big fan of Sherlock. Yeah, Ian Lee

Miller will always be zero cool. He's great on

that show. He's a great Sherlock Holmes as well.

That show does have its problems. Elementary,

as compared to Sherlock, I think does the most

interesting thing with Moriarty than any I've

ever seen before, but I won't spoil it. The Sherlock

show, I think, is just a better written show,

better actors, better shot. Yeah, and I think,

too, the thing that always kills me with Sherlock

is just the production of it. Like you mentioned,

just... It revolutionized how we use text in

movies, in TV shows. Up to that point, it was

always so clunky how people would have to do

it, either have people read it or show the screen.

But the way they so effortlessly did it, which

doesn't seem like a big deal, but considering

how often and how much it's been duplicated other

places. And I love the format of the three -episode

seasons that are 90 minutes each. I think it

really allows for tight stories that are, you

know, basically mini -movies or complete movies,

really. And Martin Freeman, Benedict Cumberbatch.

phenomenal actors. They're in everything nowadays.

Coming back to becoming Doctor Strange. He's,

to me, probably my favorite Sherlock. He's probably

my favorite Sherlock property more so than Elementary,

which I haven't really seen, so I can't say,

but even more than the RDJ movies. You can enjoy

them, to me. That's why I like the character.

Sherlock is one of the oldest superheroes. You

can enjoy them. equally and separately. I can

watch the Robert Downey Jr. Sherlock Holmes movie,

and then I can watch the TV show, and they're

the same character but completely two different

ways of playing it, and I can enjoy them both.

That's a testament to the character, I think.

Especially since I like Benedict Cumberbatch,

I can't bring myself to watch that because I'm

in such love with the RDJ films. I mean, I like

Guy Ritchie's stuff, but I'm scared to. It won't

hurt it because... He's playing it. It's essentially,

one, it's in modern day, which is another interesting

thing to do with Sherlock Holmes because just

imagine that brain. This is before elementary

came out. Imagine that brain in modern day. And

the way they shoot it is just, it's the same

but different. I don't know how to explain it.

He's playing it almost like a mental disorder

where Robert Downey Jr. is playing it like. He's

manic. You don't know. Robert Downey Jr. is playing

like he's just a drunken Tony Stark. Yeah, yeah.

He's playing it like himself, essentially. Yeah,

yeah. He's playing like 90s Robert Downey Jr.

Wait, isn't Cumberbatch's Strange? I thought

B .D. Wong was going to be Hugo Strange. No,

no, no. That's Hugo Strange in Gotham. Oh, okay,

yeah, yeah. Stephen Strange, Doctor Strange.

Okay, okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so I'm happy to

see it fall here. I had it a little higher, but

I'm glad it made the left. So let's move on to

the next in the countdown. Again, getting into

an area we haven't seen a lot, but seems like

it's popping up a lot, this portion of the countdown.

39. All right, coming in at number... 39 with

734 points. It was on 12 lists as highest ranked

as number eight. We have Roseanne, the comedy

that ran from 1988 to 1997. I think we even mentioned

a little bit this already when we mentioned the

Honeymooners. Kevin, I'll start with you here

because you had this ranked at 13. Are you a

little upset it's not any higher? Do you think

it's much more deserving of being higher on the

countdown than where it's falling? I'm not surprised

that it's not higher. Upset? I'm not going to

get upset, but I mean... You got to, though.

Get emotional about it. This definitely, I mean,

our... Our countdown is a little bit more aimed.

I think it's given a little more credit so far.

It might change, but to more modern stuff and

what's in the now. So I'm not surprised that

it's a little bit lower. This is not a show that

I necessarily liked when I was younger. It's

not a show that I cared for when it was actually

live, but it's something that I came to appreciate

a lot more as I watched it and rerun syndication,

et cetera. And this was something that, yeah,

it has the same type of structure as a lot of

sitcoms that came before it or that came after

it as far as the family dynamic. But what Roseanne

did was completely different than most of those.

And I give it credit for. Not being afraid to

push the boundaries and not in a crude way like

Married with Children in a completely different

way for me because Married with Children was

more of a turnoff for me than Roseanne was. I

don't know. It was on for 10 years. It, you know,

highly rated seven times in the top 10. And obviously

Roseanne is just an individual, is iconic. Whether

you like her or not, just don't let her sing

the national anthem. But I don't know. I think

this is one that has had some staying power.

And this is something that you can watch, even

though I didn't like it when it was live. It's

something that you can watch after the fact and

still today. And it still works. it still holds

up regardless of the time period that it was

shot and the location that it was shot which

is actually right up my right up our alley where

we're living um but it's just something that

i think you can watch and you can still get something

out of it and you can still kind of understand

why it worked so for me i think it deserves to

be probably top 25 material um but i'm not upset

that it's top 50 i mean this actually fell lower

you had it at 66 it's falling here at What do

you think about Roseanne seeing it here? I did

rank it a little bit lower, but I didn't know

how much love that it would get, and I didn't

want to get too much shit for having a lot of

love for Roseanne, because I'm pretty sure the

True Romance guys are going to come out with

some Tammy comment and shit on my parade. I wouldn't

lower just to save face, but I watched a ton

of Roseanne. I feel like that was my family back

in the day. My mom was so much like that. She

was so reminiscent of my mom that I was like,

man, I wish that my mom was as cool as Roseanne.

But I think that I definitely connected with

the daughters and the characters a lot. John

freaking Goodman. Their relationship was hilarious.

Their marriage was... They didn't take it too

seriously. But when they got serious, it was

different than when you tried to get serious

on a full house or on some of these other shows

where it just felt like it's the PSA time and

it's cheesy. When Roseanne got serious and dealt

with serious issues, you took it serious. It

wasn't cheesy. It was... for me, something that

resonated more than a lot of other sitcoms were

able to pull off. I think part of it was like

the authenticity of it coming from the mind of

Roseanne, where a lot of other shows that kind

of try to represent similar cultures or similar

lifestyles, you can tell it wasn't coming from

someone who maybe lived that lifestyle, where

Roseanne felt that way. I felt like, okay, these

are people that are real. They're unlike anyone

else in TV, really. They don't have the, you

know, they're blunt, they're brash. And actually

growing up, I wasn't allowed to watch Roseanne.

It wasn't until later. I watched it. Even how

they dealt with the cast change was kind of clever.

Yeah, yeah. Mike or Steve, any thoughts on Roseanne?

Go ahead, Mike. I just... Yes, John Goodman was

amazing, but honestly, the only thing I can really

praise this show for is basically cultivating

Johnny Galecki's humor and propelling him to

the Big Bang Theory. That's because you weren't

a middle class little white girl growing up in

a family like this that thought farts were funny

and talked about dirty stuff at the dinner table

and ate a lot of Wonder Bread and my mom cut

my hair with a flow bead. So does that mean you

have one Dar He -Man as well? That's obviously

very specific. Why did you have those things

exactly happen to you? Is your mom actually Roseanne

Barr? We cannot turn this into a psychological

analysis of Amanda. This episode is going on

too long as it is. Steve, any thoughts on Roseanne?

It really wasn't my favorite show. It was one

of those shows that if it was on, I'd watch it.

But the only thing that was, I don't know. Roseanne's

voice is grating on me. I couldn't really watch

it all that much. John Goodman's about the only

saving grace for me in the entire show. I mean,

I can see why it's on the list, but I personally

didn't vote for it. You know, another really

funny thing about Roseanne when it comes to this

show and her is that she is now where she was

on Investigation Discovery doing a show called

Momsters where they profile psychotic mothers.

I can't believe that's a thing. That scares me.

All righty. DJ, any thoughts on Roseanne? This

show is pretty easy to break down objectively.

You know it works when John Goodman's there,

and when he's not, it doesn't work. I mean, and

to Roseanne's credit, a lover or a hater, this

show was groundbreaking for a female comedian

to lead a show for this long on ABC, I believe.

Yeah, ABC. So, yeah, it's a groundbreaking show.

It wasn't one of my favorite shows, but it did

introduce me to, as everybody said, the wonderful

John Goodman. And I thought Roseanne came off

as actually charming when she was doing scenes

with him. It's just like, you know, which you

understand how good John Goodman is. He made

Roseanne Barr charming. Much different than those

scenes that she had with Tom Arnold. Exactly.

Actually, it's going to be quite fitting with

the next show we talk about. It's almost the

perfect placement, really. 38. As mentioned,

I think this is the perfect placement for this

show because it actually was just talked about.

And coming in next, we have Married with Children.

It was on 11 lists with 739 points, as highest

ranked as number three by none other than DJ.

So, DJ, I'm just going to let you carry it away

here. Roseanne versus Married with Children.

I'm guessing you're going Married with Children.

Well, I told you Mystery Science Theater kind

of formulated a lot of my comedy and my humor

anyway. And Married with Children is another

one. And the thing about Married with Children

is it completely still holds up. I was watching

it yesterday, and the jokes are still just as

funny. Ed O 'Neill playing, ooh, if you know

Ed O 'Neill off camera, he's doing a magnificent

acting job here because he's this schlubby guy.

Ed O 'Neill's like the most classiest. like aristocratic

type person you've ever met but on this show

he's like essentially this schlub of a dude who

can't catch a break whose wife hates him whose

daughter's an idiot whose son's a perverted weasel

and you love them and the greatest episodes of

the show aren't just them fighting it's them

Dealing with another family and them joining

together to get back at that family. That's the

stuck -in -traffic scene, the at -the -park -with

-six scene. Everything about Married With Children,

to me, is just funny. I mean, you're talking

about the honeymooners, where it's essentially

Ralph and his wife yelling at each other. And

this is the same thing. Peg will give as good

as she gets, maybe more so. And it's just such

a funny show. Ed O 'Neill at the height of his

powers. And when I see my modern family, he's

funny. But, man, he brought me to tears. Still

does. And what your little ruler says, I've been

a seven since I graduated from high school. Well,

these are sevens. The box says nine because,

well, uh... Look, lady, you're a nine. I can

accept it. Why can't you? You're very fresh.

No, ma 'am, that's impossible. Because for the

last hour, I've been trying to squeeze your foot

into a shoe when I really should have been easing

them into the box. So then I'd say I'm anything

but fresh. By the way, you want to tell John

Henry over there to give the $100 pumps a rest?

Your ad says courteous service. But that's not

my ad, ma 'am. That's the former owner's. He

was killed tragically on this very spot when

a size 9 exploded in his face. Come on, Arnold.

We're leaving. I want a balloon. You've already

got one. I still remember that same episode where

he can't remember the name of the damn song,

and he's in the line at a music store, and this

guy can... recognize every song everybody gives

him, but when Ed O 'Neill goes, mm -hmm, him,

never heard of it. Just can't catch a break.

He's the grown -up version of Charlie Brown,

married to the wife of the guy who gave you Sons

of Anarchy. So yes, great, great show. And Futurama

as well. Kevin, I know you already mentioned

this, but ironically talking, Roseanne and Married

with Children, are you at the other end of this?

regarding where Roseanne and Married with Children

are falling? Yeah, there's no way Married with

Children is better than Roseanne. Come on now.

John Goodman versus Ed O 'Neill. I'll take John

Goodman every single time you give me that option.

No, man. But, yeah, I don't know. I hated Married

with Children growing up, and I just couldn't

watch it. So maybe I need to revisit it if it

holds up as well as DJ says, but I just can't

picture it somehow being ranked higher than Roseanne.

What part did you hate? If I can read everything.

Like what? He wasn't saying the dogs. No, I just

didn't find the jokes funny, and I just found

it more off -putting and crude, and I just didn't

enjoy it. That's me as a younger person. Like

I said, I haven't seen any of these episodes

since the 1990s, early 90s, so maybe if I revisit

it, I'll have a different opinion. Steve, you

had this at 68, so what are your thoughts seeing

it here? I'm glad that it made the list. It's

one of those shows that I remember watching when

I was younger. Albeit, it's not appropriate for

a kid to watch anyway. It kind of was groundbreaking

in a sense because this was one of the things

that put Fox on the radar. This was the thing

that put Fox on the map. That's what I'm saying.

You had this and then you had The Simpsons shortly

thereafter. Between the two, that's... pretty

much why Fox is what it is today. And the fact

that it kind of pushed the limits on everything,

and it was kind of risque at the time, and everything

that DJ said on it, I mean, it's just a great

show. I would much rather watch this than watch

Roseanne. Definitely. Absolutely. Mike, so it

was not on your list, but are you okay with it

falling here at number 38? No, it wasn't on my

list. I don't know. Again, a lot of the shows

that I've tried to put on my list and whatever

else, as I've said, some of these shows I barely

remember. I remember Married with Children. I

remember all the different things. I remember

the fights with the Darcy's, both sets of the

couple of the Darcy's, because let's face it.

DJ, maybe you can answer this. Is it just me

or are the Darcy's essentially like Van Halen?

You're either a Steve guy or a Jefferson guy

or you're either a Sammy guy. Jefferson has one

of my favorite lines of the series, which is,

gold thou art my master, command me, which is

a great line. But I think I was always a Steve

guy because I think he, Jefferson was kind of

Al's friend where Steve and Al, did not like

each other at all. Full -on nemesis, yeah. Nemesis.

Jefferson and Al kind of pick at each other,

but they were more friendly than Steve was. So,

yeah, I'm more of a Steve guy because when Al

is dealing with an antagonist is when he's at

his best, I think, or his worst, actually. I

think the coolest things about Married With Children

for me is when they eventually had to go out

and either see Al's family or Peggy's family.

Yes, yes. Just see the overall origins of where

they both came from. Where Al's this great football

legend. In his own mind. In his own mind. I'm

sorry. I know this might be – I'm in the outlier

here, but the show is just – I'm telling you,

watch it now. I watched the episode where it's

him and Griff at the shoe store. The whole episode

is at the shoe store. And I'm riveted. It's just

so funny. You're right. It's crude jokes, but

it's like – crude in a clever sort of way. It's

just, I don't know. It doesn't work for me. I

don't understand. Amanda, any thoughts on Married

with Children? I definitely don't think I would

put it above Roseanne, but maybe just directly

underneath it. I've seen this in rerun form,

obviously. I had fun with it. The only thing

that made me mad was, is that Christina Applegate,

the daughter? Yeah. She's a total tard, and I

was like, I'm never going to be like this idiot

broad when I get back. Yeah, half of her jokes

are I'm stupid jokes. Yeah, but I thought that

the mom was hilarious. Yeah, I kind of fall in

between DJ and Kevin. When I watched it in middle

school, I loved it because it was that perfect

sense of humor for me. I've seen it not recently,

but in the last few years, I watched a few rerun

episodes. It would show up in the morning when

I was waking up on TBS early in the morning.

Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. Watching

some of the episodes in the later seasons, I

do feel like it became too in on its own jokes

a lot. It would legitimately flush the toilet,

and there would be standing ovations from people.

And I'm like, okay, I need something more. But

I don't know. It definitely has its place, as

Steve mentioned. did like set the tone for the

fox network very much it was like that was kind

of what set what you expected when you went and

got a fox comedy for a very long time and you

saw a lot of copycat shows like happily ever

after on wb back in the day which so tried to

do the same thing with the original writers and

things like that so i i would too i like prefer

rosanne over married with children but i think

it's kind of fitting that they're both back to

back here so Alright, well, for our next entry

in the countdown, we are once again keeping it

in the family. 37. Coming in at number 37, I'm

saying we're keeping it in the family because

at number 50, we had Boy Meets World. At number

37, we are having The Wonder Years. With 752

points, it was on 13 lists, highest ranked as

number 11 by none other than... Kevin Optimus

Solo. So, Kevin, it seems fitting to start with

you here. I certainly know that you're happy

that it's beating Boy Meets World. Are you a

little perturbed that it's... Well, I guess you're

not emotional about it, but what are your thoughts

on seeing it fall here at number 37? Well, I

mean, I'm not... I'm not upset with it falling

here in the top 50. I'm actually kind of happy

that it's up here. Definitely, obviously, voiced

my opinions in the Boy Meets World versus Wonder

Years Facebook thread post or whatever you want

to call it. But for the record, like I said,

this is not something that's nostalgia. This

is not something I grew up with. This is not

something I watched as a kid. I did not watch

this until I was like 27, 28 years old. And I

haven't seen every single episode because...

I missed out on a little bit towards the end,

but I've seen probably I'd say like 75 % of it.

And this show is good for a bunch of different

reasons. But the thing I probably like most about,

number one, is how it kind of captures and is

almost like a scrapbook for the era that it's

depicting. And how it... does it in a way that

doesn't feel shoehorned in. It doesn't feel like

it's force feeding you. It's just like a natural

illustration of Americana during that time period

in, you know, a location like that. It deals

with some pretty heavy subjects who, you know,

doesn't know about winnie and and that whole

storyline but it also dealt with some serious

stuff so i just like the tone i like the actors

in it i loved the dynamic between like the relationship

between father or between husband and wife the

relationship between father and son the relationship

between him and his brother the everything the

relationship between him and his friends at school

him and his first girlfriend like there's so

many maybe you have to be i don't know maybe

it resonates more for a male audience I don't

know but watching it in retrospect it just kind

of took me back to a time and there was a lot

I could relate to and I just think it's if you

save that show for posterity it's something that

is valuable for more than just the relationships

and the drama but also for what it kind of shows

about that time period in American history Amanda,

you actually were not far off on this. You had

this at 31, so you're right within the ballpark.

Thoughts on Wonder Years? So I shouldn't have

gone after Kevin because he said everything that

was cool and awesome about it, but I think that...

It's definitely deserving of the top 50. I think

it definitely spawned a lot of other shows like

Boy Meets World and all that good stuff that

we already touched on. Like Kevin said, I think

that it covered some pretty heavy topics, but

definitely did a really great job of showcasing

a different time period and what society was

like then. I thought that was always super interesting.

I think I caught this on The Naked Knight. Is

that where it was? Probably. It was Nick at Night

TV Land. It was in a combo of both, I believe.

I think that it was definitely iconic and enjoyable,

and it should still hold up, basically, because

of what Kevin said. It's focusing on that era

and does a super good job of it. Yeah, I mean,

it was definitely popular. It was in the Nielsen

Top 30 for four out of six seasons. It was nominated

for Best Comedy Series. only after airing the

first six episodes. So, you know, it hit a claim

really early on, and Fred Savage was the youngest

actor ever nominated for Outstanding Lead Actor

for a comedy series, which obviously led to his

amazing career after The Wonder Years. Not so

much. It's another one of those. It's a giant

mole. It also blends the genres a little bit

because I can see just as many people saying

that it's a comedy as saying it's a drama. Yeah,

like it's funny because I don't consider, maybe

it's just me, but I never really considered the

Wonder Years a drama or a comedy. I always considered

it more drama. Me too. DJ, any thoughts on the

Wonder Years? I'm going to be biased here because

I kind of grew up, when this show was on, I was

kind of the same age. uh that fred savage was

and i just it it was one of the first shows that

i i had seen that kind of dealt with kid stuff

in an adult manner i guess and um i i find it

funny i'm like relate i'm like a you know a dumb

black kid from miami florida so if i'm relating

to this little white kid from the 60s having

the same kind of problems i did it was just where

it kind of related to me still and we're completely

two different people i i i love this show i mean

i wouldn't have it as high as this because there's

so as i've gotten a lot of seen such better shows

but i it's essentially a part of my childhood

nostalgia wise And the child performances is

going to probably overlook. Fred Savage was,

I mean, we always crap about, oh, God, Jake Lloyd,

you know. You're getting child actors on this

show that are hitting moments comedically and

dramatically that are really, really veteran

-like. And if you rewatch it, it's just so good.

If you watch, like I said, we're talking about,

we're comparing it to Boy Meets World. Again,

that's like a traditional, you know, studio audience.

kind of sitcom this was like again watching a

mini movie every episode was shot like a film

almost not like a sitcom which i i really appreciated

and it made me relate to me more i didn't feel

artificial to me it felt like i was watching

somebody's experiences and their experiences

were like mine so i i love the one years You

know what else is also filmed like a movie is

supernatural? It is realistic, too. And it's

realistic for it to be back there in the 90s

for the countdown. I just killed a demon right

before I came on the park. It sounds like a euphemism

for going to the bathroom. When we were talking

about Boy Meets World, I had mentioned about

the Wonder Years, and I wasn't sure exactly when

it was on or whatever. I've looked it up since

then. It ran from 88 to 93. And the way that

the show is supposed to be is it takes place

20 years before the start. So basically the actual

content of the show is 68 to 73 or whatever it

is. And I don't know. I've tried recently watching.

I watched the first six episodes. I don't know

how anybody can call this a comedy. It's a drama.

I don't know how anyone can call this a comedy.

The first episode starts off with Winnie's brother

being, you know, killed over in Vietnam. That's

not funny to me. I hope not. No, no. Well, I

think, too, there are, you know, usually with

awards it comes if you have any sort of comedy

you're going to be put in the comedy category.

But also I think sometimes great drama or great

comedy is... through great drama, so it's possible

we'll have both, but I think that's a different

conversation for another day, and so let's move

on to the next in the countdown. Well, before

we do, the one thing I will say about The Wonder

Years, thank God I never had a father like that,

because that guy scared the crap out of me, and

he still does. Every role that Dan Lauria plays

in... Scary. Even in the spirit. Yeah, even in

the spirit, that's right. All right, anything

else on The Wonder Years before we move on? All

right. Well, let's move on to the next in the

countdown. 36. We haven't, this episode, got

a lot of modern comedies unlike last week. We're

getting kind of another one here, though this

one's currently no longer on the air. It just

finished its last season not too long ago. Coming

in at number 36, we have Parks and Recreation

with 777 points. It was on 13 lists as highest

ranked as number two by an individual. Actually,

DJ, let's start with you here because you actually

had it at 33, so not that far off. where it's

falling thoughts on parks and recreation um this

is another one where i was like i had low expectations

because oh they're gonna try and make a show

after the office it's not gonna be as good as

the office oh crap it's even better to me i think

than the american office uh because it just took

a lot of these characters that i didn't think

I would like, and I ended up loving them. Andy

Dwyer comes to mind, who is now Star -Lord for

crying out loud. You have won the award for best

man. Full disclosure, I voted for Ryan Gosling,

but you came in a close second. Now, you've never

been married, so you didn't get your own bachelor

party, but let's look ahead. The year is 2018.

America is thriving under President Nick Cannon,

and tomorrow, Chris Traeger's getting married.

Who's the lucky lady? Maybe she's an upbeat gal

who's nuts about fitness. Maybe she owns a juice

bar in Snerling. Maybe it's April. Maybe I die,

skydiving explosion, and then you go marry April.

And it makes me sad, but if she's going to be

with somebody, I'd like it to be you. Strange,

but sweet. Only, I didn't really die. I was faking

it. And I come back. I spy on you from my red

Corvette. I'm planning to kick your ass, but

I see how happy you make her. And I have to walk

away. I have to. And I do. Slowly. In a rainstorm.

Okay, this isn't really in the spirit of what

we're trying to do. But as time goes by, it eats

away at me. You're out living it up with my wife.

And I'm alone. In a cave. Training. Anyone else

want to chime in? I thought you were my friend.

I thought you were my friend. At first it just

seemed like it was going to be a vehicle for

Amy Poehler and her comedy. But then all these

other characters, Aziz Ansari, Nick Offerman,

who I never even heard of before this. I saw

Sin City. I still didn't know who Nick Offerman

was. And now I can't get enough of Nick Offerman.

I forget the name of the lady that works in the

place. What's her name? Quincy Jones' daughter,

Rashida Jones, all these kids, Rob Lowe. It's

just a very, very good show. And it kind of went

in a place where I think The Office never did

really until maybe the final season. Parks and

Recreations, they got all these people from different

walks of life with different humors that kind

of really got each other and accepted each other

and were a family for a lot of the show. The

Office, they're always kind of antagonistic with

each other until the end. You know, Dwight and...

Krasinski and Pam. They didn't really like each

other. They would pick on each other. But on

Parks and Recreations, Aziz Ansari's character

and Leslie Knope and Aubrey Plaza and all of

them, they're a family throughout. Even Nick

Offerman, he's like the greatest character on

the show. I love bacon, I love breakfast. When

stuff went down, Nick Offerman was there for

you. And it took a while for Michael Schur, I

think, to get that right, I think. And again,

the office was essentially copying the British

office. But on Parks and Recreation, there was

a lot more camaraderie, I thought, that I appreciated.

Yeah, I think that's the thing I notice most

about Parks and Recreation. It's just a positive

show, and the people in it are good people. I

mean, I love The Office. I probably personally

love The Office more, but one thing I would say

with Parks, though, it doesn't have a bad season,

and Office unfortunately does. Similar to The

Office, I think it took a little bit long to

kind of find itself. The first season was a little

shaky, but I feel like Season 2, Season 3, especially

when Adam Scott and Rob Lowe show up, It goes

off and it sails. And all these different, like

you mentioned, the characters are so different,

but... They still work with one another. It's

just their ability to find hilarity in the weirdest

things like Little Sebastian. Or the alternate

ego of Nick Offerman's character. Sam Elliott.

That's amazing. Using him in such a fun way.

It's actually a show that when we started talking

about doing this countdown, it was one that was

on my radar. I wanted to watch it. I finally

sat down, okay, I'm going to watch it. And I

went through the entire seven seasons in like

a... month if that it i ended up loving the show

it's and i kind of like have a hole in my heart

now since i am now done with it and finished

the last episode and uh the season finale is

is great it just puts a great spin on it and

i love what they did with the last season like

skipping ahead a couple years and just you know

it was for no reason really i mean but it just

it was just funny what the john ham joke is essentially

what they did pretty much pretty much But, yeah,

so I'm glad it's here at number 36, so I'm happy

with it. All right, let's move on to the next

in the countdown. 35. All righty, coming in at

number 35. We are getting a lot of, like, 80s

and 90s comedies this episode, and that's continuing

here. As with number 35, we have Frasier with

782 points on 13 lists, as high as ranked as

number 2 by Kevin Dillon. And actually, he was

kind enough to give us a clip of his thoughts

on Frasier and why he ranked it at number 2.

Hello, Geekcast Radio panellists and listeners.

This is Kevin here from www .smallscreensaver

.blogspot .ie and www .unappreciatedscholars

.com. I was asked to speak to you today because

I had Frasier on number two on my list of the

100 greatest shows of all time. And I just wanted

to tell you why. In the 90s, I was in school.

Everybody watched Friends. Frasier was seen as

an old person's show, which was the one I watched.

I didn't watch Friends until well into its third

or fourth time on reruns. But I can understand

why people thought it was an older person's show

because it wasn't very often, and it still isn't

very often, that you get a show centered around

a middle -aged divorcee living with his dad and

stuff like that. So that's why it was so kind

of unique to me. As well as that, it was a show

that was on every night on what is now Comedy

Central at the time in UK and Ireland. It was

called the Paramount Channel. So it used to be

on every night and I'd watch it with my mother,

which is kind of a nice memory for me. In terms

of the seasons and the quality of the show, seasons

one to seven were flat out just terrific. There

was very rarely a dull moment. Slight spoiler

alert. This was before they decided that Niles

and Daphne had to hook up together, which once

that happened, it ruined kind of one of the more

interesting dynamics of the show. But like in

seasons one to seven, you've got Frasier's many

dates, which always ended in failure. As I said,

the Niles and Daphne dynamic, which brought about

some fantastic comedy. Frasier and Niles being

so similar and... Their occasional butting heads

with their dad, Martin. Perry Gilpin was fantastic

as Roz. She was a great foil for Frasier. They

were chalk and cheese, but they had the same

goals in terms of career. And, of course, you

had Eddie the dog. Everybody loves Eddie. I think

of all the 90s comedy shows, it's probably aged

best due to the set design and the fashion. You

know, when you watch Friends now, you're nothing

but... some of Matt LeBlanc's haircuts and you're

kind of cringing a bit but I think Frasier has

aged pretty well in that sense the family dynamic

was always on point they walked that fine line

between comedy and drama and they did both excellently

and the supporting cast not just Frasier's immediate

supporting cast of Niles Martin, Daphne and Roz

but like you had Dan Butler as Bulldog you had

Gil the food critic and my personal favourite

was Anthony LaPaglia as Daphne's brother Simon

who showed up for a couple of episodes and won

a Daytime Emmy so those reasons and there are

probably far too many more to mention I love

Frasier I think even though I said that the last

couple of seasons did dip the first seven were

so good that it kind of negates any of the bad

well not bad stuff any of the less good stuff

if that makes any sense that came afterwards

if you've never seen Frasier you've hardly never

seen Frasier but I would recommend going back

and watching it from scratch because it is absolutely

terrific as I said it's aged brilliantly and

I want to just thank Dan and the Geekcast Radio

crew for asking me to contribute and I hope you

enjoy the rest of the show and I hope to see

some of my choices higher up the list as well

um thank you very much all righty well thanks

kevin for that clip regarding fraser kevin let's

start with you here because you actually had

it ranked at number 30 again with your powers

not being far off or landed so what are your

thoughts of seeing fraser fall here at number

35 I think this is a show that if you had done

this list obviously in the 90s, this show would

rank higher. If you did this list 10 years ago,

it would rank higher. I think now with this influx

of TV shows that have... Got a lot of critical

acclaim from the last five to six years. It's

kind of dropped a little bit. It's not a show

that I necessarily watched a lot of or was a

big fan, but I was definitely aware of its existence.

And, you know, in that time period when Seinfeld

and Friends and Mad About You and some of that

stuff was real popular, this was always the one

that was taking home all the awards. I think

five times it won either a Golden Globe or an

Emmy for Best Comedy. It was, you know, nine

out of its 11 years it was ranked. rated in the

top 20 for Nielsen ratings so I mean it was definitely

it was one of those shows that probably all the

other comedies were pissed off because every

year it seemed to take home the award no matter

what it was just a favorite of the award show

people but Kelsey Grammer was iconic in that

time period for that show and I definitely rated

it mostly just based on its credentials and what

I remember growing up and As far as how much

people talked about it and how well they talked

about it. But for me personally, I'm not a huge

fan of it. So I'm fine with it being here somewhere

in the top 30, 40 range. I think that's fitting.

Mike, any thoughts on Frasier? I love Frasier.

Frasier is one of the most successful spin -off

sitcoms. Honestly, it really is. Because if you

think about it, this guy came from Cheers. And

he brought his whole cast of characters with

him. Including Lilith and all those. I actually

was marathoning this on Netflix for about six

months before my mom passed away. We watched

every single episode all the way up to about

season nine, I think. And we never really got

to finish it. But there's just so much to love

about this show. Between John Mahoney as the

dad. Between Jane Leaves as Daphne. You know,

Niles and Frasier, their interactions. Frasier

and Ross and their interactions. It's just so

funny. And it really lets Kelsey Grammer almost

off the hook. Like, if you look at him at Cheers,

you look at the character of Frasier, he's kind

of stifled. He has his moments on Cheers. I'm

not saying anything bad about him being on Cheers.

He has his moments. But here, it's his show.

He can do whatever the hell he wants. And it's

just amazing. Yeah, I mean, I know at the time

it was the biggest thing about it was like it

was like the smartest TV show ever written. The

characters were speaking in the vocabulary you

did not necessarily see on network TV. So, and

like Kevin mentioned, it certainly has a lot

of its acclaim. DJ, fan of Frasier, thoughts

on it at all? I was never really a huge fan of

Cheers, but I was a big fan of Frasier because

Kelsey Grammer is, he's Sideshow Bob. I mean,

come on. He's also Beast. Yeah, yeah, he's also

a beast. Oh, my stars and garters. He's great.

I love Kelsey Grammer. I'd never even heard of

David Hyde Pierce before that show came out,

and he's terrific on that show. John Mahoney,

as you said before, is great. The show's great.

It's just a good, it's just, and from, I think

the problem with Cheers was, for me anyway, it's

a little bit slower and a little less zanier,

I guess. It's because they're all drunks at a

bar. They're all drunks and depressed at a bar.

I mean, Frasier just had this hope and optimism

to it, more so, I think, than Cheers did. I might

be misremembering Cheers, but I was in a good

mood after watching Frasier. You know what I'm

saying? I really like that show. The most optimistic

cheers I ever got was, hey, everybody, Norm!

Norm, yeah. That's the most optimistic cheers

I ever got. All right. Any other thoughts on

Frasier before we move on to the next in the

countdown? I think my problem with Frasier was

I was too young and it was just over my head.

It was too classy and sophisticated for my little

mind. And it was around the same time that I

was probably watching a lot of Wings with my

mom. So it was around the same thing. Yeah, just

over my head a little bit. No one ever complained

Wings being over their head. Only literally,

I guess, since they're, again, bad joke. All

right, well, let's move on to the next in the

countdown because I feel like this is another

episode. one that'll be one that will certainly

be talked about for a variety of reasons 34 all

right coming in at number 34 we're going to a

land we were once at previously as we return

to the world of star trek with star trek The

original series coming in at number 34. It was

on 12 lists as highest ranked as number 6 with

784 points. Steve, let's start with you here

because this was in your top 10. We've had Star

Trek, Deep Space Nine, now Star Trek. What are

your thoughts of seeing it fall here? Do you

think it deserves to be higher just based upon

its iconic status when it comes to TV? You know,

I think it should. But at the same time, I think

it shouldn't. There's kind of that double -edged

sword because it kind of was groundbreaking at

the time in the sense that it kind of... It was

like a western in space is how it was kind of

written. And then all the sci -fi innovations

that have come from people enjoying this show

specifically. And then the fact that it spawned...

50 years of television and film, among other

media content. They seem to be gorged. Gorged?

On my grain? Kirk, I am going to hold you responsible.

There must be thousands of them. Hundreds of

thousands. 1 ,771 ,561. That's assuming one triple

multiplying with an average litter of ten producing

a new generation every 12 hours over a period

of three days and that's assuming that they got

here three days ago and Allowing for the amount

of grain consumed and the volume of the storage

compartment Kirk you should have known You are

responsible for turning the development project

into a total disaster. Mr. Barris. And I am through

being intimidated, Kirk. You have insulted me.

You have ignored me. You've walked all over me.

You have abused your authority, and you have

rejected my requests. And this, this is a result.

I am going to hold you responsible, Kirk. Mr.

Barris, I'll hold you in arms if you don't show

up. The cast alone is very memorable over the

decades. I mean, Shatner's probably the most

memorable out of all of them, but then you get

Spock, you get all these characters, and they

kind of got to send off into the Next Generation

universe, a lot of them did, or show up in Voyager,

or just little bit parts later on. At the same

token, though, it's so badly dated, it's very

hard to watch if you're not a fan of it. And

so I feel that... While it is groundbreaking,

while it is definitely a top 50 recipient or

at least top 100, it's not the strongest of the

Star Trek shows. So in that regard, I think I'm

fine with where it landed. Kevin, I know you're

a Star Trek fan, but I know you ranked this on

the other end of your top 100. Do you feel this

is Star Trek getting rated mostly based upon

what came after the series? And do you think

maybe if you were just ranking the series itself,

it wouldn't fall nearly as high? Yeah, I mean,

I think this is a partial benefit of name recognition

and the one that came first and the iconic characters

with the Shatner and Spock, etc., etc. I think

if you're going to break it down into which Star

Trek shows were better in a quality standpoint

of stories, writing, plots, and stuff like that,

then I think it falls probably near the bottom,

actually. And even though I personally rated

it above a lot of the other, well, all of the

other iterations except for one, I think if you

were really breaking it down, it would probably

come closer. to the bottom after even enterprise

voyager etc um i find it interesting we talked

about deep space nine way earlier in the countdown

we were curious if we would see anything else

and uh you know we have we haven't heard from

any of those other ones so it's finally coming

in here i don't have a problem with that as long

as there's one more uh that we haven't talked

about yet that still shows up. I wonder where

it falls. That's the question. What could you

be talking about? I have no idea. Star Trek Enterprise,

of course. Amanda, any thoughts on Star Trek?

I'm a Picard girl, so I'm obviously going to

rank something. I'm going to rank that a little

bit lower. As far as Kirk, I'm going to rate

Kirk a little bit lower than Picard here. I do

love me some Spock, and I think that it's so

iconic, and it spawned all of these spinoffs

and even movies. I definitely like the newer

movie iterations better than the dated material

that is. Kirk and Spock from back in the Disney.

I do think that it deserves to be, I would say,

in the top 50. I can understand saying that it

spawned off some stuff, but I don't think it's

as easy to say that with this one. I mean, I

think maybe you could say it spawned Next Generation,

even though it was like two decades later. Whatever,

it was like the cornerstone for an entire year.

Right, I get that, but I think Next Generation

is really what spawned all the other ones that

came after it. I don't know. It's a debate for

another day, but... I don't disagree with it

being here and what you're saying. DJ, any thoughts

before we move on to the next in the countdown?

My stepfather, who's... the biggest Trekkie I

know, ingrained in me that Captain Kirk is the

baddest man in the galaxy. But I was introduced

to Star Trek through Rath Khan, one of the greatest

sequels ever made. So I didn't really get into

the TV show until I got a little bit older. And

it's kind of a different Kirk from the movies

to the TV show. The TV show, he's a little bit

more... reserved and not as zany as he is in

the movies. He's not that way in the show that

much as his bizarro evil Kirk. But yeah, it's

iconic. It's groundbreaking and optimistic, not

apocalyptic future for once. So yeah, I understand

why it's on this list. All right, let's move

on to our next in the countdown. And for our

next in the countdown, we're actually going to

talk about it in real time. 33. For number 33,

Mike might be upset that it's not number 24,

because coming in at number 33, we have 24. It

was on 13 lists. Later, Mike. Just so you know.

It was on 13 lists, 788 points. It's highest

ranked as number nine, but none other than DJ

Valentine. So it's fitting. DJ, we ended it with

you last time. We'll start with you here. Thoughts

on 24 falling in at 33. Never seen a show like

this before. Never seen them do this. And I know

there's the, they're cheating. They're going

to commercial. Yeah, whatever. Shut up. You've

never seen a show that counts like. counts down

a day in the life of during a season or at least

i hadn't at the time i saw this when i was in

the first season when i was in high school and

there's been i think there's a running joke with

my me and my friends that david palmer was the

president united states it wasn't george bush

it was david palmer he was awesome he was doing

things that uh presidents should do and jack

bauer i mean he you watch kingsman he's now an

iconic character that we would never one of the

most iconic badasses we've ever seen on television

such a and for the show to be very pulpy and

it's stupidity sometimes because it's not the

most brilliant of shows but you've essentially

created this character and you drop them in kind

of like a john mclean -esque type person and

the format of the show was revolutionary i had

never seen a show count down uh one hour an episode

like that the way they did it i thought it was

unique and it was great it was enjoyable and

cathartic as hell and uh if if you're a right

wing you would really love it because they torture

and kill terrorists uh without any uh without

any compunction to the geneva convention they

don't care about that stuff especially jack ballard

jack does specifically i don't know about the

rest of the cast but jack does specific elian

beta would kill a terrorist now okay yeah tony

would but on a whole, the entire cast? No, probably

not. I think Jack, Tony, and Nina are probably

the exceptions there. One of the first shows

you've seen a character, spoiler alert, I guess,

brutally murder a woman on that show. And he's

the hero. Yeah. So, Mike, I'm thinking you're

a fan of 24. Oh, yeah. Absolutely love 24. I

don't think it went on too long. Eight seasons.

No, I'm saying, yes, I know technically it's

nine seasons if you count Live Another Day, but

yeah, it did go on eight seasons, but I'm saying

that with the way the show's format was, in a

good way, it felt like it was longer than what

it actually was. So I'm saying the eight seasons,

nine seasons didn't really feel like... It wasn't

a blink -you'll -miss -it kind of thing, but

it was like, hey, we're following along, and

this is high action, and this is, hey, oh, hey,

look, there's Spock before he was Spock. Because

in the first few seasons, Zachary Quinto was

this idiot tech guy. I love 24 for Kiefer Sutherland

alone. I mean, Jack Bauer is easily one of the

most badass action stars of this... This last

couple of decades. Yeah, actually, I have a kind

of funny story with 24. I started watching it

late, and this was before Netflix streaming was

a thing. Back when Blockbuster still existed,

we started renting it from Blockbuster, and I

had this deal where I could basically rent something.

I paid a fee, and I could rent as many things

per day as I wanted. My wife and I basically

went through this entire series bit by bit, so

much so that I would show up to Blockbuster multiple

times a day. street just to get the next disc

so like i basically got labeled the 24 guy or

how fast we went through the series uh i guess

shows you how much lively our lives are i guess

but uh i'll disagree with mike in the sense that

i do think it did go on too long it got to the

point it got a little bit too predictable you

it had a formula to it where you're like okay

who's the traitor this season and you know when

you're like dropping nuclear bombs every other

episode. It got a little too crazy, I think.

By the end, you know, seventh, eighth season,

we're a little much. But at its height, it was

a fun, action -packed thrill ride. And again,

like DJ mentioned, the format of it was completely

unique, doing it in real time with 24 hours and

using the different panels. storytelling, and

yeah, there were some contrivances with that.

I mean, it basically was L .A. with no traffic

somehow, but you know. But I think it also came

around at a good time, too, within that time

period. And like Mike mentioned, Jack Bauer's

a badass, and he's a fun character. And when

you have a character, we talk about James Bond

and Jason Bourne. Those guys also have kind of...

yeah i don't say shallow plots but they're such

they do such awesome things it kind of distracts

you from how mediocre this this the plot is uh

and jack bauer did that as well i mean this season

could suck but as long as jack bauer was killing

people you were kind of you're still enjoying

it so yeah all righty any other thoughts on 24

before we move on to the next Okay, well, let's

move into our next in the list. And again, we're

getting into an area we once got before, and

I think it's going to be kind of a fun one -two

hit with these next two entries. 32. We've had

one late -night talk show so far with Johnny

Carson. We're getting our second late -night

talk show at number 32, as we have The Late Show

with David Letterman. It was on 12 lists, 791

points, as high as ranked as number 14. Mike,

actually, I'll start with you here, because you

had this ranked at 56. I know you're a huge Johnny

Carson fan, so what do you think of the fact

that David Letterman is falling higher on the

count than Johnny Carson? It's somewhat of a

travesty, but it's not as much of a travesty

as if Conan comes after this. I like David Letterman.

I think what he did with The Late Show was really

interesting. He had guests on to promote stuff,

but he also did some really, really good comedy.

You look at some of those top ten lists in the

early to mid -90s, they're just comedy gold.

The way he carried himself, the way, you know...

He held with the guests his monologue. Probably

the only late -night comedian I can actually

sit there and enjoy a monologue from outside

of Johnny Carson. It's just so good. Having it

fall here, I think it's all right. Like I said,

as long as Conan doesn't show up after this,

I'm fine. Kevin or Amanda, any thoughts on David

Letterman? I mean, I didn't have any room in

my top 100 for the late night shows just because

I was trying to stuff so many other primetime

shows in there. But I don't know. I don't have

a problem with it being on there. I do have a

problem with it being higher than Johnny Carson,

though. I also left all the late night shows

off. I just couldn't. I just couldn't fit them

in either. I mean, I could have put them on,

but it would have taken up, like, seven of my

spots because then I would have had to put, like,

all the ones that I like on there. And if I was

going to put one on, it would have been Johnny

Carson, and then it probably would have been

a drop -off to something like Conan or, like,

Jimmy Fallon or something like that afterwards.

I've never been a fan of Letterman. See, I love

Letterman. I think his comedic style is extremely

unique and unlike any other comedy out there.

And I think he brought a new... type of kind

of awkward or I guess alternative to use a, like

a cliche word to late night talk shows. I actually

feel his show was better than Johnny Carson's

and yeah, Carson's impact is probably greater

on the world of comedy, but I always felt that

Letterman's overall monologues is comedic style.

He, he took more risks. He did a lot of new different

things where Carson just kind of had his thing

and he, and he did it really well. But Steve,

any thoughts on the David Letterman show falling

here at number 32? I'm not really a fan of Letterman.

For me, I would much rather watch Jimmy Fallon

or somebody like that. I don't know. I like a

lot of the other late -night talk hosts more

than some of these older veterans because not

saying that they didn't pave the way or that

they don't deserve to be here, I just don't prefer

to watch them. I would much rather watch any

of the ones that are on now, but that's about

my opinion on it. DJ, any thoughts on the late

night with David Letterman falling here at 32?

You can kind of tell when Leno went off the air,

he won the ratings, but Letterman was way more

respected because he's kind of like a comedian's

comedian. And when I watch talk shows like this,

the kind of talk show hosts I like are the ones

who are fast, smart, and have control. And Carson

probably is the best when it comes to having

all three of those things. But Letterman's right

there because when a guest does something that's

going against what the host wants to do, you

see Fallon panic or, you know. I mean, I'm not

against Fallon. Fallon does some very funny stuff.

But he's not as quick on his feet as Letterman

is. The guy's dealt with. Crazy Crispin Glover,

for Christ's sake. Madonna. Joaquin Phoenix.

Joaquin Phoenix. And he never doesn't seem like

he has a plan to get out of these situations.

Conan, for me, I know we found out here that

Conan's not that high. I think Conan's also on

that list of he's very quick to not lose control

of the show. But Letterman and Carson, I think,

were the best at it. I'm just going to see how's

Dave going to get out of this one. Oh, there

he goes. That's how he does it. He's never off

guard by any of the stuff. I'm not a huge talk

show host person, but I know Letterman. He's

iconic. You can't deny him. Definitely. It's

actually going to be fitting as we're getting

into our next in the countdown at number 31.

31. All right, I say it's fitting because we

had David Letterman at 32, and at 31, we were

having the guy that replaced him, as in the Colbert

report coming in at number 32 with 791 points.

It only beat David Letterman by three points.

It was on 12 lists. It was actually on fewer

lists than... Sorry, it was on 13 lists, so it

was on more lists than David Letterman, as highest

ranked as number four. I think I'll actually

start with this one, because I am, you know,

the Colbert Report daily show, definitely go

hand in hand. I am a lover of the Colbert Report.

I remember when it started as like a spoof commercial

that ended up becoming a show, watching it and

wondering, how is this show going to last with

this character? And it ended up lasting for,

you know, nine years. It's such a smartly written

show. We talked about late nights, but I feel

it's in a separate category because it's not

necessarily late night comedy per se as it deals

a lot with politics and things of that nature.

So I'm actually really happy that it fell here.

But Steve, I know you also have it on your list.

So any thoughts on The Colbert Report? I don't

know. I just really enjoyed his show. Him and

Jon Stewart, I believe, are probably the best

at all of the kind of newsy, like... Weird, you

know, he's kind of got that nice touch of some

of the stuff that Jon Stewart has and, like,

some of the Letterman stuff and some of the,

like, he kind of has, like, different things

he dips into. And I think it kind of plays out

well for him. Mike, any thoughts on the Colbert

report following here? I actually had to go back

and watch this after I saw him guest on a Law

& Order SVU episode as one of the baddest, one

of the... One of the most interesting villains

on that show. I like him. I think he's really

funny. I think he's doing a bang -up job on The

Late Show now. I don't want to say he necessarily

replaced David Letterman because Dave really

just retired and they needed to find somebody

new, and I'm just glad it wasn't another Saturday

Night Live reject. Yes, I'm looking at you, Seth

Meyers. who will not be on this list. Please,

if Seth Meyers is higher than this, then we need,

you know. It's counseling. I forget who posted

it. Somebody posted about Arrow. You know, Arrow

not being in the top 50, you have failed this

list. If Seth Meyers gets above Stephen Colbert

here, yeah, we really need to seriously rethink

this. Amanda, any thoughts on the Colbert report?

I freaking hate this show. I'm so bored with

it. I don't care what he has to say. If I want

to watch the news, I'm just going to watch the

freaking news. I don't need to hear your so -called

funny commentary about it, and I'll make my own

opinion. Thanks. Jesus. Jesus F. Myers. But what

do you really think? Kevin, any thoughts on the

Colbert Report? I mean, I think the Colbert Report

and The Daily Show and Real Time with Bill Maher,

even though he can piss me off more times than

not. But I think all those shows are good for

what they're pointing out. And even though they're

doing it with a funny take, they're also still

calling it orange and orange and calling out

politicians for being stupid. And I think there's

a place for that. And that's refreshing compared

to the indoctrinated views that we get from the...

The political channels. But, like I said, I just

didn't have any room for them on my list. But,

yeah, I would probably put Daily Show higher

than the Colbert Report. DJ, I know you said

you weren't a fan of late -night talk shows.

I don't know if that considers that a Colbert

Report, because I guess it's technically a talk

show, but any thoughts on it here? It's one of

the, I mean, I might be forgetting, maybe Jiminy

Click, I guess, is one of the few talk shows

that's... hosted by a character not a not an

actual i mean steven colbert is the actual person

but he's essentially playing a big middle finger

to the republican party for the entire show so

yeah i i give it credit for that um i watched

the daily show more for its political commentary

then it's guests, usually. I mean, sometimes

I watch the guests, though. Same thing with the

Colbert Report. If I was watching it, I'd just

watch it for what they're saying about politics.

And Stephen Colbert, when I heard he was replacing

or taking over for David Letterman after he left

or retired, I was like, that's interesting, but

it's undeniable. The guy is very, very smart.

Brains, like I told you, smart, fast, smart,

fast is in control. And if you have any doubt

of how in control steven colbert can be watch

him deal with bill maher that he just had on

maybe two days ago and bill maher who is essentially

created to anger people i mean who's also very

smart he's giving it right i mean he doesn't

pull any punches and colbert hangs with him and

outdoes him just as well so he's he's he's a

very smart individual the show itself was I don't

want to say groundbreaking. It was just very,

very different than what you were seeing on TV.

I'm not a humongous fan of The Cobra Report.

I was more a Daily Show guy, but again, I can

respect it. It was nominated for multiple Emmys.

It actually broke The Daily Show's streak for

winning Outstanding Variety Series. Ironically,

the student became the master in that in 2013.

So every year it was out, it was nominated for

an Emmy and won Peabody's as well. And Stephen

Colbert himself won a lot of accolades. And again,

we talked about with Keane Peale how Luther showed

up in Correspondence Center. I mean, Colbert

did a thing in front of Congress for something.

I forget what it was. And I do think he's been

a great replacement for Letterman. And to me,

it took him like three episodes to have one of

the best interviews on TV, period. when he interviewed

Joe Biden. And it was just, it was fantastic.

And I recommend it. It's nothing political whatsoever.

It's just, it's actually just a really great

conversation that you would not expect in a late

night talk show. At least, you know, usually

just, you know, if you look at Jimmy Fallon and

Stephen Colbert, it's like, oh, that's the adult

show. And that's the one for children. Yes. NBC

getting no love today. Not really. We'll see

if that changes when we move into number 30 on

the list. 30. Well, we're getting to our second

sketch comedy show of the episode. But this is

actually a classic sketch comedy show. And it's

our second British show of the episode, too.

There's always been, like, one episode per show

that I'm like, wow, I did not expect that to

be on the countdown. And that's it. This is it

for this portion of the countdown. Because at

number 30, we have Monty Python's Flying Circus.

It was only on 10 lists, but it received 805

points, so it's the first show to break the 800

-point barrier. It was highest ranked as number

three. I was not expecting to see a show of this

nature fall on the countdown. My first experience

with this show was, I think, seeing late -night

infomercials on Comedy Central telling me to

buy the videos of it. But, DJ, any thoughts on

Monty Python's Flying Circus? I'm very fortunate

I've been on the show that like three of my I

might have forgotten where to put this and I

hate myself Monty Python, Mystery Science Theater

and Married With Children those are like stuff

that introduced me to comedy essentially so nobody

expects a Spanish Inquisition I mean it's Monty

Python used to come on TNT every God, every night

at 7 o 'clock, and I would just sit there, eat

my dinner, and watch it as a little kid. My grandmother

would sit me down, eat her dinner, and I'd just

watch Mighty Python. It's a show that I don't

think would work now. It is non -sequitur insane.

It's good for ADD because it goes everywhere

and anywhere. One of the crossbeams has gone

out of skew on the treadle. What on earth does

that mean? I don't know. Mr. Wentworth just told

me to come in here and say that there was trouble

at the mill, that's all. I didn't expect a kind

of Spanish Inquisition. Nobody expects the Spanish

Inquisition. Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise

and fear. Fear and surprise are two weapons.

Our fear and surprise and ruthless efficiency

are three weapons. Our fear and surprise and

ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion

to the Pope are four. Amongst... our weapons

amongst our weaponry are such elements as fear

i'll come in again i didn't expect a kind of

spanish inquisition and people they remember

monty python probably mostly for holy grail and

stuff like that life of ryan but monty python's

flying circus is it's a great show with uh And

now historic comedians, John Cleese, Eric Idle,

I mean, there's great guys on the show. Terry

Gilliam, I think. So, yeah. You say the show

is basically ADD. It would really work today

if you think about it. Maybe I'm right. Maybe

you're right. It could work. I mean, the joke

of the show is like it would go from one thing

to the next without any sequitur whatsoever.

So, yeah. Amanda or Kevin, any thoughts on Money

Python following here? I know we talked about

sketch comedies a lot. We're finally getting

a classic sketch comedy. Is it just not a relief

but a surprise seeing something different? It's

the wrong kind of classic sketch comedy. That's

not the one I was looking for. I know I'm in

the minority, but I have a strong distaste for

all things Monty Python related. I just don't

find them funny at all. So it's just not my style

of humor. Monty Python, Married with Children,

and what was the last one? All the 90s sitcoms.

Or David Letterman, that's the last one. Kevin

has no love for Fresh Prince. Why don't you love

him? Why don't you love him? I at least like

those shows, though. I can't even watch Monty

Python stuff. I've tried probably on ten different

occasions to watch either the show or the movies,

and I just am bored out of my mind instantly.

So you don't like Holy Grail? You don't like

if this is just a flesh wound or any of that

stuff? None of it. I hate Terry Gilliam. Oh,

wow, okay. Kevin's back. Sorry, DJ. No, no, it's

okay, it's okay. Like I said, it's just not my

style of humor. Certain humor works for certain

people, and that's just not my style. Alrighty,

any thoughts on Money Python before we move on

to the next in the countdown? Apparently the

show didn't dare to be stupid because Eric Idle

was Rettgar at one point. Yeah, he was. I'll

weep ground, I'll weep minibunk. All righty,

let's move on to our next in the countdown. 29.

Coming in at number 29, we have Lost with 832

points. It was on the 11 list. It was ranked

number one by one person. Kevin, let's start

with you here because you had it highest ranked

among all of us at number 17. I know this was

a huge show at the time. It had some falling

off after the season finale and people didn't

like it, but is the Lost a show you were a fan

of? Oh yeah, I'm a huge fan of Lost all the way

through, including the ending. I'm one of those

that does not mind the ending at all. I think

that's probably why it's not a little bit higher,

was because some people really did hate how it

ended. The question was not whether Lost was

going to be on the countdown, it was just where

it was going to end up falling. So right here

around the top 30, I think that's fine. I mean,

I had it at 17 because I personally like a lot

of it, but... It has its issues. I can see some

people kind of being critical that maybe some

seasons are better than others. Same situation

for me. They do a lot of flashbacks and kind

of telling the background of certain individuals.

And there were a couple characters that I really

didn't connect to that every time I knew it was

going to be an episode for that character, it

was like a letdown. And I was like, oh, I guess

I got to sit through seeing another one of her

stories to get to something good later. It was

a phenomenon. Come on. I mean, everybody was

talking about Lost. Everybody would watch it

and then have debates and questions. And just

the way they were able to do the mystery element

of this show is something that was unlike anything

that came before it. So I think top 30 is perfectly

fitting for Lost. Amanda, this is actually spooky

in a lost sense, as you ranked this at number

29, and it actually is 29, so I don't know if

you lost, like, black smoke powers or something

like that. I like to call it slut magic, but...

That's a real thing. But I only saw the first

season of Lost, but I just know it's such a huge

phenomenon. A big... Big following. I don't know

why I just couldn't get into it. This was like

my early years in college, so I was just drinking

and partying and being cool and not watching

TV. Yeah, eating my SpongeBob cereal at 2 a .m.,

and it just wasn't something that I could super

get behind just because I wasn't in a TV. watching

um time of my life really but i did enjoy it

i thinking back on it now i feel like it had

um some it was a little reminiscent of the feel

of like heroes like its style so i don't know

i guess i'm wrong because nobody else is commenting

saying i mean i guess it's definitely i mean

i could see the comparison because they're very

mystery based and a lot of like you know keeping

you in the dark what's really going on so i definitely

could see the comparison The actors, the actresses,

and the characters and the development of those

characters is what wins Lost for me, I guess.

DJ, any thoughts on Lost? I'm going to be the,

I guess, the liar here. This is more of a Damon

Lindioff issue I have than a Lost issue. Damon

Lindioff, I'll be as nice as possible. He has

great ideas, I think. He just has very, very,

very sloppy and purposefully so ambiguous follow

through with all of them where he doesn't. And

I know some people like you're saying love the

ending of Lost, but it's a thing that he I've

heard his Prometheus commentary where he says,

I make things ambiguous on purpose because I

want people to the shows that there's no answer

to people talk about longer. And I'm like, OK,

well, that's great. But. you're essentially saying

I want to make things not enjoyable at the end.

I want to shoot it. So, I mean, again, I know

I'm the outlier. I know a lot of people who love

the ending of Lost. And I watched Lost all the

way through. One of my favorite episodes of television

is The Constant, which I love that episode so

much. And I know why it's on this list. It was

a phenomenon. J .J. Abrams gets way too much

credit for this by his own admission. It's essentially

Damon Lindyoff's brainchild. And because of that,

that's why at the end I kind of went a little

bit down on it because I did not enjoy the ending

of it. It seemed like they were kind of making

it up as they went. I don't think you're an outlier

because I think a lot more people had a problem

with it. Yeah, I mean, and I understand people

who don't. why they would because i know people

who like things ambiguous it's just that he has

his track record of making everything he does

have an ambiguous and i agree with you on that

i don't i remember though in that moment though

when we're when we're going through the seasons

thinking i do not want to be the people in charge

of trying to figure out how to end yeah i i understand

that's why it's like i can't even really hate

him for this and that's why i mean he he has

a i bring it up because of his track record of

his stuff after loss he's still doing the same

right making the same mistake which i don't want

like he did for freaking tomorrow and stuff like

that but uh When it came to season three, I'm

like, I don't know where this is going to go.

I don't know how they're going to end this, and

nobody is going to be satisfied at the end. They

kind of wrote themselves into that circle, which

I was like, eh. Yeah, it ended up making itself

a show that was going to be harder than almost

any other show that I've ever seen as far as

coming up with a way to finish it so that people

are happy. Yeah, yeah. It's like, go ahead and

end Doctor Who. Come up with a final ending for

Doctor Who. I mean, I'm sure they... I'm sure

the finale finale of Game of Thrones will probably

piss me off more, but everyone dies. I can tell

you that. Everyone's dead. It was all a dream.

It was all a dream. All right. All right. Any

other thoughts before we move on to the next

in the countdown? All right. Let's move on and

continue as we get down to the nitty gritty of

this week's countdown. 28. We are already down

to number 28, so we're getting into that very

elite, elite category where we get into the top

25. At this point, it should no longer be a question,

does it belong? Is it simply, does it belong

in this echelon of the countdown? This one, I

think, I'm not sure when it comes to what falls

here at number 28, what the opinion will be,

but I am super happy about this. Falling here,

as in number 28, we have Arrested Development.

It was on 14 lists with 846 points. Actually

beat Lost by a whopping 14 points. It was actually

a lot for this list. It was highest ranked as

number 9. So no one ranked it number 1, but being

on 14 lists does show you there is a lot of love

out there for that of Arrested Development. Though

I was the only one on the countdown that ranked

it. I don't know. You guys are crazy. You guys

are crazy. I love Arrested Development. It's

just, to me, one of the funniest shows, period.

I know that's very subjective, but I love its

style. I love its using the narrator in fun ways.

Certainly, I'm surprised it got three seasons.

I know Netflix brought it back for the fourth

season, which wasn't nearly as good, but at its

height, though, it just, I don't know. It was

super clever, meta in a lot of cool ways, so

I'm very happy for it falling here. DJ, any thoughts

on Arrested Development? I got through most of

season one, and it's like a show I recognize

as being very, very good. It's just I could never

get through all of it. I mean, and from the season

I saw, I mean, Jason Bateman's great, and Tambor

is great. David Cross is great. And I have friends

who watch it religiously. And I kind of like

watch it vicariously through their stories of

it. But I just never could get through the whole

season. But I know it's very smartly written.

And it's very great. It's one of those shows

that I think when I get old and I have nothing

else to do, I'll probably pop it on and burn

through it. I'm like, why wasn't I watching this

live? I am the reason it got canceled. But yeah,

I'm not a huge fan of it. But again, I... I can

see why it has its feverish fan following. Kevin,

any thoughts on Arrested Development? I mean,

I kind of expected this one to make the countdown.

This is one of the ones that I was talking about

earlier when I said that I was kind of having

the thoughts that we were going to see more modern

sketch comedies than classic. This one, and I

think there's still another one out there that

we possibly could see, but it might get edged

out. I can see this one. It definitely has a

following. I think it is funny and it does have

its place. For me, I ranked a few other classic

sketch comedies instead of a couple of these

modern ones, but I expected to see this one on

the list. So I'm not surprised it's on the list.

I'm surprised maybe that it's quite this high.

I mean, it certainly has a lot of accolades.

IGN, our old friend, ranked it as the funniest

show ever. Oh, wow. Is that good or bad for its

credit? IGN, keep on getting it wrong. Curious

to see what people have to say, because I think

there'll be people who may say it's one of those

where it's like, I think no one will be happy

no matter where it falls. So, all right, let's

move on with the countdown. 27. Alright, well

coming in, this is a first for the countdown,

as in this is the first time in one episode that

we're getting two animated shows. As with number

27, we have Futurama with 858 points. It was

on 12 lists, as highest ranked as number 13.

So it was actually on fewer lists than... than

that of Arrested Development, but people tended

to rank it higher. Steve, you were the only one

on the countdown that had Futurama on their list,

so what are your thoughts seeing it here at number

27? Well, being that I ranked it at 27, it's

actually kind of funny, but... Again, you have

that Amanda Smoke Powers type of thing, so that's

impressive. I have a crystal ball. So, yeah,

I really enjoy this show more than some of the

other shows. I'm actually glad it beat out Family

Guy. And for me, I really like the dynamic between

the characters. I like the fact that it's set

in the future for the most part, even though

there's time travel elements throughout the show.

It's really kind of wacky. I enjoy the interactions

between Bender and Fry among everybody else.

I don't know. I find the show a lot more entertaining

to me as an adult than watching some of these

other... Family Guy, I feel like it's beating

me over the head with a shovel. I enjoy it, but

it's not the same as watching Futurama. Futurama,

I have... I don't know. It's like getting the

Simpsons vibe without being as dumb. I guess

that's the way to say it. It certainly has its

credibility regarding being smart. There were

three PhDs on the writing staff, seven master's

degrees, and over 50 years at Harvard University

among the writers. So the people who are writing

the show are rather smart individuals, and I

do think it's a lot smarter than people give

it credit for, even myself included, because

I remember watching it. when it came after the

Simpsons thinking, Oh, it's just a Simpson clone.

But another like family guy left, came back.

And I think he realized at its height, it's,

it's a great show. Uh, well, even the fact that

it got canceled and it came back. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh, Mike, any thoughts on Futurama? I, from what

I've seen of Futurama, I've seen several episodes

over the years. I've never actually watched the

show all the way through. Um, I know it's one

of those shows that keeps getting canceled, keep

coming back. That's fine. It's great. I'm happy

for the voice cast that they get to continue

to do this show. I like the stuff with Fry. I

think the coolest thing about this show, though,

is John DiMaggio as Bender. That essentially

lets John DiMaggio do whatever the hell he wants

to do. voicing that character. And it's just

so awesome. And if you think about this compared

to when we were talking about Mary with Children,

you've got Peggy Bundy as a one -eyed space captain.

That's awesome. Kevin, so we had Flintstones,

we've had Beavis and Butthead, Family Guy, now

Futurama. Did we get that order correct? I think

you could say that we basically got it right

with Futurama being the highest out of those.

four that we've talked about so far i think there

could be an argument for flintstones maybe being

a little bit higher i was surprised to see family

guy actually make the list and i'm definitely

surprised at the fact that we're possibly going

to see six animated shows on the top 100 i thought

we might see three and we're going to probably

end up seeing six i would guess so that's the

most shocking part for me uh dj any thoughts

on futurama falling here Very few. I've never

really been a big Futurama fan, and I'm hit in

the back of my head every day when I say that.

People say, why don't you not like Futurama?

What's wrong with you? There's a million different

Leroy Jethro Gibbs running around smacking you

upside the head. Smacking me. I'm getting attacked

by the nozos hitting me. No, I've never been

a huge Futurama fan. I can understand, again,

I even kind of gave up on The Simpsons after

a while. But yeah, again, it's just never appealed

to me. I get the characters. It does have Bender,

who, you know, Joe DiMaggio is awesome. John

DiMaggio is awesome, but I've just never been

into that show. Amanda, any thoughts before we

move on to the last of today? I think that I'm

a little... uphold with myself because i rank

this but i love this show um i think davis and

butthead might be slightly higher for me personally

than futurama um definitely higher than family

guy though i think that you guys have kind of

beat it to death but um i have fun with all the

characters especially bender like anybody else

lila pretty awesome i actually have friends who

named their daughter after lila from futurama

so there's that Yeah, that happened. And I think

that it's... Why not Zoidberg? Come on. Feed

my son, Zoidberg. That was their doctor. But

I think that it... I'm not really sure about

it being this high, honestly. All right. Well,

be interested in hearing what other people have

to say regarding this. So one more to go before

we end today's episode, before we enter into

the Elite 25. But let's see what falls at number

26. 26. All right, well, I'm not sure if the

Browncoats are going to be happy that it's here

or just happy that they're unhappy that it's

not higher. As coming in at number 26, we have

the cult classic show in Firefly with 862 points

on 13 lists, highest ranked as number one. So

we are seeing our third number one fall regarding

today. DJ, I'll start with you here because you

did have it highest ranked among all of us. What

are your thoughts on Firefly? Screw you, Fox.

Screw you. I think if this show came out now,

it would be a bigger deal. I mean, this is Joss

Whedon banter at its best, I guess. I mean, Buffy

and Angel were shows I watched religiously, but

Firefly was, you know... new and different and

had a world to it and people go oh why do you

guys keep making comic book movies you guys are

making remakes why don't you make something different

new this was different and new and nobody freaking

watched it and now it's gone and we're stuck

watching the 15th iteration of spider -man no

uh i really i really like i really like firefly

just because of the camaraderie and the writing

and it it I think it just never got a chance

to come to fruition. I think it was something

there in the middle. I'm not saying it's a perfect

show. There are its flaws. One, that Fox aired

it out of order because they suck. But I think

if it would have given some time, it could have

been really, really special. And Nathan Fillion,

I mean, that's the first time I've ever seen

him in anything. uh before he came on on buffy

as like the crazy preacher guy uh he was awesome

on this show and he's now been like a geek icon

you bring it back to him tell him the job didn't

work out we're not thieves but we are thieves

point is we're not taking what's his now we'll

stay out of his way as best we can from here

on in you explain that's best for everyone okay

Keep the money. Use it to buy a funeral. It doesn't

matter where you go or how far you fly. I will

hunt you down. And the last thing you see will

be my blade. Dark. Now this is all the money

Niska gave us in advance. I'm good. Let's see

for everyone. I'm right there with you. Gina

Torres, same thing. Adam Baldwin, who was probably

famous for Full Metal Jacket, but it's just camaraderie.

It's essentially Space 18. Space 18, I like that.

It would have stayed around longer if that's

what they called it. Nobody had a mohawk. Nobody

had a mohawk. No one pitying fools. Nobody pitied

any fools. Mike, any thoughts on Firefly falling

here at number 26? I've seen a couple of episodes

here and there over the years, but I don't know.

All I can say right now is we all better hide

until next week, because you know the commenters

are going to come out and flambase us for having

this at number 26. Because like DJ said, and

like Dan said, and like everybody else said,

this show has a massive, massive following. And

those followers are loyal to a lethal fault.

They're deadly. I mean, they got a movie made.

I mean, you got to give them, you know, they

certainly are organized and powerful. Which introduced

the world to Chiwetel Ejiofor, by the way. So,

yeah, Serenity's also badass. I was the weird

one and actually saw Serenity before Firefly

and actually went to see it, not even knowing

there was a TV series. I don't know how I missed

that, but that's what happened with me. And I

actually didn't end up watching Firefly until

earlier this year. We did a homework episode

for Talking in Circles where we try to... Fill

in our Geek Weeks box, and Firefly was one for

me. And I think I came into it way too late.

I can still recognize why people would love it,

but it's, you know, watching a show with so much

hype, you know, nearly a decade after it debuted,

it didn't have the same impact on me as I'm sure

it did with people then, especially seeing Serenity,

which is a movie I actually really do adore and

like a lot. So maybe I'm the weird one and like

the movie more than the TV series. But certainly

there's a lot of creativity there. motif of using

the Western and Asian culture combined with space.

I think it's Japanese, right? Japanese first

words. I think so, yes. I like that, though.

I think at times it did go a little too far with

it, but again, it's a show that... If you look

at the shows that were canceled too soon, I think

this was ranked number one on that list. It's

often the show that's pointed to as why no one

likes Fox or trusts Fox. If it did go on longer,

it probably could have had a bigger impact. It

was, of course, not its fault regarding quality.

It did kind of launch the career of Josh Whedon,

or at least... Made Fox feel bad to give him,

like, eight of the shows after this, at least.

I don't know. Whitney was on the air for three

seasons, and this got, like, eight episodes.

Whitney, one of the worst comedies I've ever

seen. And Marina Baccarin is probably the only

thing good on Gotham. So, yeah, yeah. I got a

little sore spot in my crawl. I think just because

of Firefly, there's a lot of shows that Fox has

let stay on longer. Just the fear out of people

would get angry at them. Gotham. Oh, sorry. All

right, well, let's take a quick break here and

come back and kind of discuss briefly the top

75, I guess, of the countdown so far. Hey guys,

this is JD from the Incession Film Podcast. Every

week on our show, you can join my co -host Brendan

and I as we review the latest films that's out

in theaters. It also inspires us to discuss a

top three list of some sort, and we have a lot

of other fun movie discussions as well. It's

always a blast. And we also have a show on Fridays

called our Extra Film Podcast. This is a show

that gives us the space to talk about the latest

indies and art films and other classics that

we normally just don't get to talk about. We'd

absolutely love to have you. So we have 75 down.

25 more to go. DJ, I guess we'll start with you

here. Thoughts on, I guess, the countdown today?

Any big surprises? Anything that overall, how

do you feel that we're ending up as we have 25

shows left to go? I didn't think talk shows would

be this high. Colbert and Letterman. pretty,

pretty high on that list, which surprised me.

I mean, I'm not against either one of those shows.

That was shocking, but I think it's going pretty

well. I'm very upset that Sesame Street is so

damn low. My education is dependent upon a cookie

monster in Grover teaching me how to spell, so

yeah, I'm a little upset about that. And the

count, teaching us how to count. Mike, after

being off a week, coming back now, What are your

thoughts on the countdown so far? I think it's

interesting. I think we've been saying throughout

the first three parts of the countdown that this

is going to be our most interesting Top 100 because

it is television and it is so subjective to various

opinions. I kind of wish I was here last week

because I really want to eventually... I'm probably

going to do this. I want to write this whole

big, long... I don't... necessarily want to call

it an essay, but I want to write this whole big

long thing about the Big Bang Theory because

I really don't think people are looking at it

the way I look at it. I look at it as an evolution

of characters. You look at Sheldon in season

one, or even season three when they do the flashback

story of how Leonard and Sheldon first met, and

then you look at Sheldon now in season nine,

the dude has changed so much in the entire show.

But anyway, as far as today's episode, I'm perfectly

fine with where some of the stuff fell. I don't

think we have the animated thing right. I think

it needs to be flip -flopped and have the Flintstones

at the highest. That's just my personal opinion.

Didn't you have a problem with the Flintstones?

No. I don't think so. It's been a while. But

Amanda, any thoughts on the countdown so far?

I'm disappointed at some of these rankings. I

think this episode especially, I was really disappointed

in. I don't think that some of the things that

made it to this episode should have even been

on the list, honestly. Supernatural, again, being

so low, I'm not happy about that. So scarred.

God, I do. I just got the vapors. I'm just disappointed

in some of the rankings, and I'm a little bit

worried because a ton of my stuff hasn't made

it on there, and there's just not enough room

for some of the things that I know should be

on the top 25 to make it all on there. So if

I don't see I Dream of Jeannie on this list anywhere,

it would be seriously disappointing. Kevin, I

know last week we had a lot of modern stuff,

but I feel like this week we didn't really get

as much. I think it was much more varied, kind

of like the weeks before. So at least happy that

we're getting more variety on this half of the

countdown so far. It's hard to keep getting modern

stuff when we've already named almost all of

it. So, no, I mean, there's still some to go.

But I'm not surprised because most like I said,

there was only one more modern comedy that I

was expecting to see. And that was Parks and

Rec. And we saw that. So I think the rest of

the modern are going to be a little bit more

drama action oriented. We have been through 75

shows and I still have 72 of my top 100 left

to be named. All I know is I'm glad. that uh

the 29 people that made up this list do not dictate

my television viewing habits because i would

not be happy but no there's a ton of modern stuff

that i need to catch up with so i am not upset

with the modern stuff being on here at all i

just have a big blind spot to the last five to

ten years but man even trying to block out some

of the ones that i thought well maybe are my

personal bias i still had like at least 40 shows

that i was a hundred percent sure we're going

to make the top 100 and at least half of those

aren't going to make it so i i think there's

a lot of class that's going to be left on the

wayside all right steve final thoughts before

we sound off for today um i'm a little sad that

uh my number one and number uh three i believe

went away today um kind of bothers me uh but

actually i think my whole top Top three or four

are gone. I still have high hopes that a couple

of them are going to show up at some point. I

have a few, and I'll mention those when we do

the wrap -up if they don't show up. But I think

I have about a good half, almost half of my list

has shown up at some point. So I'm quite happy

about that. It's just wondering which ones are

going to show up from here on out. I'm just happy

my number one is in the top 25. Same here. Yeah,

my number one's gone. And two. My number three

is still here, so we'll see. How do you know

your number one's in the top 25? I do. It has

to be. If it's not, there'll be war. I wouldn't

cross your fingers on anything at this point.

There's a lot of good shows out there. It would

be the biggest shock in history if my number

one is not in the top 25. I don't know what your

number one is. I know what Mike's number one

is. Dan knows what my number one is, and I think

he would agree. There is no way my number one

is not in the top 25. No way. I wouldn't be doing

this countdown if it was. But anyways, you can

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signs us off for tonight's episode. I believe

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