Artist Spotlight on Stan Bush

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Here's an artist spotlight on me, Stan Bush,

with your hosts TFG1 Mike and Mike the Birdman

Don. Hello and welcome to GeekCaster Radio. This

is the second to last artist spotlight, which

will continue the epic music spotlight we have

going on here at GCR. I am one of your hosts,

DFJ and Mike, and joining me is Mike the Birdman,

Dodd from This Week in Geek and all the other

stuff he does. Hello. Good morning. In essence,

I've only been awake a couple of hours and I'm

good to go. Yeah. It's 7 o 'clock at night, dude.

That's the problem with these medications. Night

and day mean nothing. Thankfully, all my clients

are on the West Coast, so it doesn't really matter

so much. That's good. That's good. So really

quickly, before we get into the meat of today's

topic, what have you been up to? Mostly been

getting back into the swing of things with Reviewaday

.ca, producing about two to three episodes a

week, just because some of these games I'm going

through are really long. And really bad, some

of them are. Yeah, some of them are frankly frigging

terrible. Other than that, This Week in Geek

is just turning five as of this recording. So

we're getting ready to do that tomorrow. And

I'm doing a lot of convention appearances. I

got one coming up next month in Guelph. I got

one coming up in Boston and another in Toronto

and maybe some internationally. I'm just waiting

to hear back. So busy! I don't sleep. And for

me, I've been doing a bunch of Tooncast Beyond

stuff. We are getting into the meat of Toycast

as that has come back in full swing. As of this

recording, I am about to go into later this evening

a record with my buddy Sweene Halleck and Steve

Megatron. We're going to be talking about the

turtles toys for the episode 87 of Toycast. So

all the Playmates stuff, all the NECA stuff,

all that good stuff. But we are here in this

80s music spotlight, the artist spotlight, to

talk about the man, the myth, the legend, Stan

Bush. We'll be back after this. You got the touch

So we are back here in the Geekcast Radio Artist

Spotlight for Stan Bush and we have four talking

points really. I don't know if you've come up

with anything else but we're gonna go through

different talking points as far as how Stan's

career has gone and his involvement in different

things and talking about how some fans just seem

to think that all he does is Transformers songs

which is incorrect. The first thing is the guy's

had a nearly 30 year career. I mean, well, yeah,

I. Mean he's been producing music with his band

Baraz since the early 80s And he's actually been

tapped to do a number of doing things outside

of the Transformers thing I mean one of the little

interesting bits of trivia is the touch wasn't

actually written originally for Transformers

was written for Sylvester Stallone's Cobra in

1985 so the song sat around for a year before

it got attached to Transformers Which I think

is a little bit of a little neat bit of trivia

plus Stan's done music for the Olympics, he's

done music for Sailor Moon, and I think he's

done some other properties as well. Didn't he

win a Daytime Emmy Award for a song on Guiding

Light? Yeah, yeah. I can't remember what the

song was specifically, but yeah, he has done

a lot of other things. And the thing is, I think

the thing that makes Stan's music, at least to

me, so endearing is the fact that Stan's music

is that arena anthem 80s rock style and his style

has not changed so much over the years whether

you think that's a good thing or a bad thing

looking at other acts out of the 80s like say

Bon Jovi for example who i think would be a contemporary

person to compare stan against because they do

sound alike in some ways i know we're gonna catch

heat for saying that but uh i think that's one

of the things that makes stan's music It's something,

you know, you're listening to Stan Bush, even

if you only hear five seconds of it, you know

exactly what it is. Yeah. I mean, you know, and

that's the thing about it. And I think Stan is

an artist that he knows his audience, but He's

not an artist that really had to evolve. I mean,

he's evolved a little bit, but he's an artist

that can stay in an 80s time capsule because

let's face it, his music is timeless. He has

that same upbeat positive message in almost every

single song. I think if any of Stan's detractors

were to come out, I think they would kind of

agree with you on what you said. He is existing

in that 80s time capsule. Whether you think that's

a good thing or a bad thing, Stan, if he's anything,

he's consistent. His style, I think technically

the music evolves because you hear the music

get more and more complicated as time gets on.

how it's composed, but from the layman's ear,

not a lot has changed since 1986, and that's

a good thing in some ways. Now, not every artist

necessarily has to evolve to reinvent themselves.

I mean, one notable artist or band that I think

has tried to reinvent themselves, and I think

it's failed miserably, in my opinion, is Linkin

Park. If you go back and listen to their stuff

from the early 90s, or sorry, not from the early

90s, from the late 90s to now, it sounds completely

different and they've lost the heart. That is

not the same with Stan Bush. It's the same heart

and soul that's been producing since the 80s

to now. And I guess Stan's music is sort of a

sign of the times. I mean, I still think the

1980s is some of the greatest era we've had musical

innovation in. Right. But you get into the 90s,

you hear this grungy alternative, very dark sound,

very crunchy with the bass, and Stan's music

is very light. Just because it's very, I don't

know how to describe it, it's very light music.

It's not very dark. It doesn't have a lot of

super crunchy bass in it. It's just... it is

what it is and when you go into the two thousands

when once again we hit this musical change change

up um where there were there's all sorts of new

artists emerging new sounds and new trends stands

stuck by his guys now that's not to say he didn't

evolve during that time if you listen to some

of the stuff off some of his later albums anything

post 2002 the sound does change and I don't think

necessarily always for the better because I think

Stan's versions of The Touch sounded better pre

2002 to anything currently except for one song

which I really like and once again I know I'll

catch shit for this I like Stan's version of

The Touch that it was originally done for Revenge

of the Fallen called Sam's Theme that had the

Linkin Park -esque inspired rapping. Now, I'm

not someone who is into rap music. I listen to

some of it, but it's not a genre of music I listen

to all the time. Because I have one playlist

in my iTunes that has all of my favorite songs

from all of my favorite artists. And it's a majority

of what music I have in my iTunes and if say

a DMX song came up in that I heard from like

I don't know Cradle to the Grave or what you

know say it came up in a movie and I heard it

I'd probably like it but it rap is not something

I listen to in general and I vehemently did not

like that version of Sam's theme the touch I

just I like what Stan did with that version as

far as giving it a more I guess you could say

contemporary feel. Well, contemporary, but I

would also, I would also equate that, that original

rap version to a Linkin Park song. It's basically

Stan as, as Chester Beddington, uh, whatever

his last name is. Yeah. And, you know, and then

the other guy, Mike Enzo, not, not Enzo. Yeah.

It's basically Stan as, as that guy. And then

the one rap guy that he has in that as as Mike

and it's like really see I love I love what Stan

did with it with his vocals but I didn't like

the rap part at all I think the problem is the

rap needed to be thought out a little bit more

like I would say that was very indicative of

Linkin Park maybe 2003 to 2005 very much in the

um Meteora slash early minutes to midnight phase.

And it wasn't bad. I think it was a good risk.

I really do. And a lot of people shat on them

for it. I really like that version. In fact,

that's the version I prefer almost, almost to

the 1986 version. I really like that version.

I'm not a big fan of the one that came out in

2007 because it sounds so different, but also

taking that into account, Stan's voice has changed

over the last 30 years. His voice has changed.

The thing about the 2007 version, that was originally

done for a BotCon live performance. So I mean,

actually produce like, you know, going into the

studio, laying the track down and doing all the

studio stuff to that live track. That's probably

why you're not liking it. Um, the live version

of it is so much better. I'd say, I'd say what

I don't like about it's the arrangement because

the base track is more or less the same, like

the same. notes and everything, but it's the

arrangement that's just a little bit different.

Now it's not so bad when playing through Guitar

Hero, for example, because this originally came

out with Guitar Hero World Tour as a piece of

free DLC. It's a little different playing it

as opposed to hearing it, and you can hear it

more when you listen to it as opposed to playing

it. And I know that sounds really strange, but

once again, it comes down to the arrangement

of it. And one of the things I would love to

see Stan do over the years, he's always done

the touch. That will be the song he'll be eternally

known for. Even 30, 40 years after he's dead,

people will know him for that. I want to know

why he's never gone back and redone Dare. I am

actually very... Well, okay, here's the thing.

I found out from our good friend TV's Mr. Neal

and his co -host Ben over at Animation Aficionados

that Dare, even though Stan sung it, Stan didn't

write that. Vince DiCola wrote that. See, I really

think those guys should collaborate again, or

at least if Stan could talk to Vince and say,

hey, do you mind? Right. I don't think Vince

is doing a whole lot right now, so I don't think

he'd care. Right. And see, that's the thing.

I think that, you know, what probably happened

and why people always recognize the fact that,

oh, it's Stan Sings that he must have wrote it.

You know, people might have that. I had that

misconception until Neil set me straight. The

thing about it is maybe Stan and Vince back then

made a deal and said, you know, hey, As long

as you give me writing credits somewhere you

can take credit for the rest of the song Stan

is someone who has throughout his career has

embraced his fandom and and what I mean by that

is the fact that You know you said to me off

off air. He knows his fans He knows what his

fans want Stan Bush is not an artist first of

all He's not an up -and -coming artist that needs

to reinvent themselves every two years uh he's

not an artist that you know people people love

new stuff out of him but they love it if they

for me i love it if it has that 80s sound because

that's what i know stan to be is an 80s artist

yeah and it wouldn't suit him well for stan to

evolve his sound so much as evidenced by the

touch version that was all Like I said, no one

liked it and the video even got cut on YouTube.

Even if you hear the version on the album, in

my opinion, you can hear the cut. You can hear

the cuts. You know something's missing and that

takes away from. Yeah. Yeah. Now let's talk about

his involvement with the Transformers franchise.

Now you brought up earlier about that the touch

was originally supposed to be in Cobra. Again,

or it was either Cobra or over -the -top. I'm

pretty sure you know, it was cold. It's it's

Cobra Again, how would that work in Cobra outside?

Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let me explain something

again Ben over at anime Neal's buddy Ben over

an animation aficionados his co -host over there

actually linked me to a YouTube video where someone

Put the touch put the 86 version against footage

from Cobra It's on YouTube somewhere. You'll

I'll try to get the link for the show notes for

this episode But it just doesn't the touch the

86 version of the touch is Optimus Prime's theme

song to me That's what it fucking is. It shouldn't

be in any other 1980s movie It just should the

only way I could see the touch working in a movie

like Cobra is Over credits or maybe over some

kind of like a training montage, but Cobra, right?

You're the disease and he's the cure. It doesn't,

like, you know what I mean? It's a 1980s shoot

-em -up movie. It's basically RoboCop without

the armor. Exactly. And it just doesn't suit

it, which I'm surprised The Touch was commissioned

for this movie. I'm glad it ended up in Transformers.

In fact, The Touch was the song that played when

I came into the reception hall at my wedding.

So... You see, it works in happy situations,

not so much when you're blowing the brains out

of the back of someone's head. Yeah. Well, unless

it's a robot's head. But even then, it doesn't

work well with over -the -top violence. It works

more with action shots like... Yeah, like, like

Optimus driving down the little thing and hitting

thrust and then, you know, jump, you know, transforming

in midair, the trailer explodes and he's firing

on everybody. Yeah, it works into very cinematic

action. And by extension, this song would not

work in the new Transformers movies. And that's

something I think we should probably talk about,

too, is Stan wanted to get some of his music

in the 2007 to 2011 movies. Should it have happened?

Yes, but only in a cameo capacity. And let me

explain that Stan's music does not fit with the

Michael Bay version of the Transformers simply

because it's a darker world. It's a different

world. These are not the toys we grew up with.

This is not the world we grew up with. So I think

it would have been cool. Had bumblebee been going

through these stations and you just heard three

seconds of it that would have worked or to hear

it Very very muffled as optimist prime drives

up to Sam for the first time or something. See

that would have been okay But not as I disagree

with that I I agree with your fact that it could

have been an end -credit song The live -action

Michael Bay movies, you know, we can love hate

just don't care about them. Whatever I don't

think the touch, even as a background sound within

the movie, even as a background noise, I just

don't think it would have worked. It wouldn't

have worked with any of the themes in any of

those movies. See, Linkin Park is the perfect

sound for these movies, except for the last one.

That was the weakest of all the Linkin Park songs.

That was horrible. What I've done, in my opinion,

is the new touch. Right. Whenever I hear that

song for three seconds in the back of my head,

I always hear Peter Cullen go, to those of you

amongst the stars, we are here, we are waiting.

That works. But I think the touch would have

worked as a cameo for less than five seconds,

but more than two. You know what I mean? Just

enough for your ear to recognize it and then

be done with it. But it wouldn't have worked

as a set piece song. It would not have worked

playing on the radio for 30 seconds. In fact,

I'd like to know what the fuck 21 Guns by Green

Day was doing in Revenge of the Fallen. That's

a topic for another time. But I've got friends

of mine in the music industry who license songs

to movies, and it basically comes down to what

executives want in. It comes down to money, pure

and simple. Should Stan have gotten something

in the movie? Absolutely. Maybe Sam, because

he's a composer first who writes guitar riffs.

Should he have been able to do something? If

he could have worked with Steve Jablonski to

do part of the score, even just a part of a song,

that would have been fine. Or sample something

from Vince DiCola's score from the movie. That

would have been neat. Man, you know how cool

it would have been if when you'd saw... the Fallen,

and I know I'm going back to Revenge of the Fallen

here, if you'd had some epic lead up and they

had just a few samples of the Unicron theme,

you know how cool that would have made that movie?

Not exactly watchable, but maybe listenable.

I just don't know. Like, OK, I believe and I'm

going to actually look at this to make sure that

I am correct. He tried to get in a song called

ground zero retitled till all are one into into

One of the movies as well once again that would

have been a fantastic credit song right till

well Here's my transition away from the films

till all are one Actually is the end credits

to transformers war for Cybertron Now, I really

hope he has something in fall of Cybertron when

that comes out in, like, a year. Oh, yes. Yeah.

It's actually funny. You've played War for Cybertron,

right? Oh, yeah. You know that background music

that's in there? Yeah. When I first heard that

on one of the Game Informer online articles,

podcasts, whatever, I heard that piece of music,

and I'm like, did Stan do that? Because it sounds

that that background music sounds like something

that he would do or it sounds like something

that Vince would do that Maybe Stan would would

collaborate on and I asked him one time I said

did you do this piece of music and he said sadly

not but But yeah, I mean tell all or one is is

it is a great great Transformers theme song now

what pisses me off is the fans out there that

think he is just About cashing in on the touch

or dare or you know thinking that he is nothing

but Transformers Musician art yeah, it's what

he's best known for right it is what he's best

known for but the guy does have plenty of other

songs You and I differ on this this opinion But

I've recently been going back and let you know

to prepare for this going back and listening

to in this life and dream the dream When dream

the dream hit in 2010 told Stan I said hey can

I can I get a copy of this and I'll write a review

for it sent me a signed CD I listened to it and

it I really enjoyed dream the dream I don't know

if it's that I like his the way that he does

his love songs or the way that he tells stories

in some of the songs on dream the dream I'm starting

to like a lot of the songs on in this life but

I for me I prefer dream the dream But he he is

just so much more and I it just makes me mad

to no end that people just assume that oh well

Stan Bush, you know what one of the jokes I'll

see on Twitter or Facebook or Message boards

all Stan Bush needs a check. So here here he

is submitting the touch and dare to you know,

some random Transformers thing and I'm like I

don't know maybe it's cuz I've talked to the

guy six times and I basically have an email relationship

with the guy that I that I know better but People

need to give his stuff a chance here. Yeah Well,

it's also probably not Stan himself all the time

necessarily pushing this on different transformers

products I mean, there's probably some management

team involved and hey if it sells it sells I

say work it You know what I mean now that being

said I listen to dream the dream before the show

twice and I Would argue that in this life is

a better album Which was his 2007 thing because

I think he took more of a chance like you hear

More in my opinion more technical guitar. There's

one song he does called. I'll never fall I Honestly

believe that should have been a radio single

That was friggin fantastic I actually pitched

this to my station manager and a few other radio

stations that that I know Because I felt the

song was that good. Is there are there good songs

on dream the dream? Absolutely Never hold back

and and and and I'll never fall Those two songs

the two number one songs from both that from

in this life and and dream the dream the first

tracks They sound similar to me They do even

though they're completely different You know,

I don't know maybe it's just cuz I had at the

time when I had got the review sample I Basically

had that had dream the dream on repaid for about

four days straight and I basically have those

songs stuck in my head And I guess my problem

with it is the fact that I listen to dream the

dream twice in a row and all the music Seemed

to blend together now that can be a sign of a

CD that has tremendously just good mixing the

fact that it just Transitions smoothly from one

track to the next but I think in this life did

more with it plus the fact we did get What was

it? Till All or One. We also got the 2007 version

of The Touch. But I think there were just a few

songs on that where I think he really took a

chance to express himself differently than what

we're used to. Dream the Dream is classic Stan

Bush. In this life, I think, did something a

little more daring. Right, right. The other thing...

You know as we've been saying that he is so much

more than just transformer songs, but at the

same time He still embraces the transformers

fandom your time off of dream the dream randall

ng and dr. Smoove put together a Transformers

animate g1 animated video like a music video

animation full animation everything to that song

and they actually you know with the imagery and

the song told a story in video and I absolutely

love that video a single that was supposed to

be on dream the dream but they just did he didn't

have it done in time was called heat of the battle

which is his first ever digital only release

ever uh... they use that uh... he he use that

for another music video which actually goes against

uh... war for cybertron gameplay you know so

i mean as we've said he knows his audience i

think there's one song which hasn't get nearly

enough are credit for in the nineties when i

think it was the ocean group did that dog for

sailor moon He did a song for the season one

finale where they're fighting Queen Beryl called

she's got the power and I've only ever found

that song once I don't even know whether it's

out on CD I think it may be available via the

Sailor Moon soundtrack, which is likely way the

hell out of print It was a fantastic song and

that's another thing too. I think Stan could

do more music for other franchises Like I said,

I think Stan the thing that makes him appeal

to me is that he doesn't have a rough image.

He doesn't have an image that says, you must

be listened to by angry teenagers. You must do

this, that and the other thing. I mean, when

I've stand to me, he's always come across to

me as a very family oriented guy. I mean, I've

called him when he's playing with his kids and

all that stuff, or I've called him late at night

and says, hey, I just put my kids to bed. I can't

talk too long. And I think that's the thing that

makes him appealing is the fact he can bring

a rock edge like basically power riffs and all

that good stuff to different things like different

franchises without having to go to you know say

your Metallica's your your disturbs your systems

of a down if you want a hard edge you could do

that but with Stan you get all the technical

you get all the technical guitarists with none

of the bullshit I mean another another franchise

I think Stan would work very well in would be

Power Rangers Listen to Ron Wasserman's stuff

and compare it against Stan's. I think they would

work very, very, very well together. I completely

agree. Something else that I didn't even know.

I mean, I knew that he did this promotion, but

I didn't know what it was exactly. And I'm going

to read this word for word. In 2011, Bush recorded

high noon theme for the wrestling promotion Chikara.

which was a parody of the theme song for the

80s cartoon Mask. I have got to find this song.

Yeah, I just read about this myself. I'd be very

curious to hear that. In fact, I think Stan could

almost make an entire CD of just him covering

80s theme songs. I think he's doing that. I've

seen him post on Twitter and Facebook about doing

local shows out in LA where they're doing covers

of famous 70s and 80s tracks. Let me look at

his website. Let's see. Okay, let's see. See

Stan live in 2012. Let's see more. Okay, Stan

Bush, Chuck Wright, and Rick Salon. The Acoustic

Saints reinterpret classic classic rock tunes

with a moody atmospheric vibe catch them live

Favish from the 70s and 80s plus a few surprises

along the way make up the set the state Saints

are rehearsing this for this first live appearance

of the new year now this live appearance happened

Just about a week ago on January 14th Uh, at,

uh, the Hard Rock Hollywood. So I'm hoping that

maybe Stan has footage of that and he'll put

it up on his official YouTube channel. If not

somebody has it somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so,

I mean, he is doing stuff like that. Uh, you

know, for me, Stan, and Stan is the, Stan is

probably one of the only artists that only tours

to his local area. He has such a large and loyal

fan base at this point. As much as I would love

to see him here in Louisville, Kentucky, he doesn't

tour all that much. Well, I've seen him do something

in Pittsburgh last year, and I was actually tempted

to go to it because I'm thinking, that's only

a 10 -hour drive. I've got nothing else to do.

That was that wrestling thing, I think, that

Chikara thing. I could believe it, but he also

was playing with some other blues musician. I

mean, guaranteed, if you want to see Stan, you

go to BotCon. Guaranteed. He's almost there like

every year. So he's not hard to see. You just

have to make the effort to go see him. In fact,

if we had more money this year, we are going

to invite Stan his band to play at our wedding,

though in retrospect, I think he would have died

on stage considering how frigging hot it was

that particular day. Ha ha ha. Alright, so we're

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80s spotlight for Stan Bush. And now we're going

to talk about Stan and popular culture. Yeah,

I mean, obviously, Transformers notwithstanding.

He's done music for, like I said, Sailor Moon.

One thing we forgot to mention is two years ago,

he was on NBC's Chuck, which was I remember Stan

being very, very excited about that. And nerds

everywhere were like, fuck, yeah. So, that's

one of the things. Stan's music has appeared

in toys. I remember, once again going back to

Transformers, when they re -released Masterpiece

Prime over here, when they called him Anniversary

Prime, there was a base that sang. And if you

have, Hasbro sent me a press kit two years ago

for Revenge of the Fallen, and one of them was

a Bumblebee blaster cannon. And if you press

the buttons enough times, you get a sample of

the touch. Oh, yeah. Which was pretty kick -ass.

I'm trying to think of other things. I mean,

in popular culture, you see a lot of people use

The Touch for different TV series. I've seen

it used for Gundam Wing. I've seen it used for

any number of different anime series. So he's

out there. Like, people know who he is. Like

I said, once you play The Touch, they know immediately

who he is. which is, I think, a testament to

just how powerful the music has been and how

influential the 86 movie was. I'm trying to think

of other things through popular culture where

he's appeared. The most recent thing that The

Touch has appeared in, in 2011, the WWE Slammy

Awards raw episode, it was they used The Touch

for John Laurinaitis' tribute. That's kind of

cool. Oh, yeah. it's so hilarious oh yeah i forgot

he's also in rock band three stan uh got some

of his music in the rock band uh radio network

where you can download tracks directly from the

artists uh he was in guitar hero like i said

world tour when that was released in 2009 i want

to say world tour was uh before the franchise

went to shit um so yeah like i said his music's

out there and um i sincerely hope He has a chance

to do more and more music. Like I said, I'm really

happy he did dream the dream I'm hoping if he

is doing a CD of just Cover songs. I really hope

he does really well. I'd love to hear his version

of mask And I'd also like to hear him take on

go go Power Rangers Which I just realized I have

to download that CD again shit. Um Yeah, or one

theme I think that might be kind of fun because

Stan is such a talented guitar player the original

theme the Dragon Ball Z rock the Dragon, which

is a fantastic little instrumental piece I'd

like to hear Stan do that because it's so fast

That might be kind of cool. I hope Stan does

more music for video games, in fact. Oh, yeah.

Because there's so many more franchises he could

branch out to. Oh, yes. You know what? I don't

know what the next because I know we had Black

Ops and I know now this past year and this year

now in 2012 is Modern Warfare 3. I honestly think

if he did some sort of, you know, rock them up

type of song to fit into Call of Duty. See, I

think the problem is because Stan has that family

thing. I can't see him doing something like that.

But I think a racing game like Project Gotham

or Forza might be kind of cool or to see him

work with that. I mean, I don't know how well

this would work, but I'd love to see just Stan's

music as incidental music and say Dead Rising

or something like that or even Saints Row. Oh,

yeah, that yeah Saints having him in Saints Row

would be awesome I'm hoping and probably when

we get more details later, you know as because

fall of Cybertron is coming December 1st of this

year So hopefully as 2012 progresses we'll get

more obviously we'll get more information Hopefully

he'll have either they'll reuse till all I want

is the end credit song or he laughs He might

have something new in that so I I would imagine

he'll do something new. Yeah. Oh, yeah It could

be. But yeah, that's pretty much all I've got

to say about the guy. I mean, I said, I really

like him. I'm glad he's staying consistent with

his music and does not necessarily force himself

to say, hey, I have to change to keep up. If

you like what you like, you'll like Stan Bush.

I think he's very much a snapshot of the 80s

that still endures and changes just enough over

time so you're not bored of him. Oh, yeah, exactly.

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