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Correct. Hello and welcome to GeekCaster Radio.

This is episode 50. It only took us four years

to get here, but we are here at episode 50 and

this is going to be concluding... Our top 10

AFI GCRN style film countdowns for now. There

will be a time in the future where we will look

at some other genres, but not at this time. And

if anyone else wants to step up and do the horror

genre, please feel free to do it without me,

because I just don't give a shit. I am, of course,

one of your hosts, Steve Drew and Mike. Joining

me is Steve Megatron. Hello. Hello. Optimus Solo.

Hello. I am here with you. I'm so wrong every

time you say it. And of course, movie role Dan

is here. Hello. Hello, I am here giving a shit,

so here we go. Thank God one of us is. One of

the youngest of our network who is basically

the Roger Ebert of the network, because he likes

all the old shit. I like old shit. I like new

shit, old shit, smelly shit. Dog shit. We're

here as I said to count down GC IN's top 10 superhero

films. I want you to drop that list on a skiv.

That's so fast Yes, fast do it now. Yes before

we get there a couple things about the list in

general Especially since this is the last one.

I've had a chance to look back at all of the

other lists now a Couple things here. First of

all the most people like we've had anywhere from

four to seven of the main GCR and contributors

submitting lists as we've gone through this genre

The different genres and with this one we had

the most people we've had basically we had seven

But interestingly if you go through every movie

that got a vote For the superhero genre only

43 films received votes Which makes it the that's

the lowest out of all ten genres we've done the

closest was gangster which I think had Like 44

or 43 is right around the same number But for

the gangster we only had five people submit lists

versus seven So we had more people submit lists,

but less movies actually get voted on which means

there was some Sort of agreement as far as which

films should get voted on We also only had About

six seven eight nine ten eleven. We had there

only thirteen movies that were only on one person's

list So that kind of gives you an idea of the

genre and what kind of agreement there is amongst

us At least that only thirteen films were only

on a solo list everything else got voted on by

more than one person We also are going to have

a list today that consists of eleven films instead

of ten No, you can't do that. You're going against

your own friggin rules, dude. This is top 10.

Yeah, but if we've had ties, I haven't done anything

to break ties because I don't want to manipulate

our list at all. And we do have two ties on our

list today, so we are going to have 11 films.

Before I drop down the honorable mentions, though,

without mentioning any specific films, I just

want to go around the table and get a prediction

on... Which franchise? Will have the most appearances

within our top 10 slash 11 Marvel. No, I'm not

talking about which company I'm talking about

character Yeah, like like Batman Superman Spider

-Man X -Men Batman Spider -Man. All right, let's

go around the table since Mike is superly impatient

today Mike one only one you can only pick one

I just said Batman and spider -man to Don't care.

There's 11 fucking films record Steve I'm gonna

say Batman Dan. Yeah, I think it's Batman Just

thinking of the history of that character and

people that voted on the list Alright, well we

will see if that holds true. Everyone's voting

Batman minus full mentions list is in your window

Obviously, like I said, it's gonna be a it's

a fairly short list since there was so much agreement

on on which movies at least got voted on We're

gonna start with Dan Dan going over that list

very briefly. What what do you see that strikes

you? Honestly, the first movie that just missed

the list. I'm surprised. It's up that high Amazing

Spider -Man Uh, I I like that film. I just I

didn't think it would resonate with people that

much that kind of surprises me Talking about

batman darknut rise is not making it. I think

that's the right call The one on here that I

think that jumps out to me the most that I think

is deserving of the top 10 that didn't make it

is x2 I I think the movie kind of gets over It's

relatively forgotten because of everything that's

come after and people forget just how much that

changed the genre and how much that showed you

what you could do with the sequel for how much

it increased after the first X -Men film. I mean,

it has some great action set pieces in the beginning

with Nightcrawler. I think it's the best example

of Wolverine on screen today. Maybe that'll change

later this summer. But I love X -Men 2. And I

think it set up the franchise to go in some really

interesting places that was then destroyed in

X -Men 3 and Wolverine, unfortunately. The TMNT,

is that the cartoon or is that the live action?

I was kind of hoping that would make it... I

know it's... Maybe people don't necessarily think

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and think superheroes,

but I know that's I love that movie It holds

up so well the costumes and that are amazing

and still look great today I just love I love

the dialogue in that film. The lines are so well

written and so well delivered I know most people

probably write it off, but I was pleasantly surprised

that it got as much as it did So I'm happy to

see it that high I was kind of hoping it would

sneak in but I can understand with only ten spots

for superhero films why it wouldn't It's one

of my favorite openings ever with everyone eating

pizza still I just find that to the that's in

TMNT 2 That's in the second the second film is

where they went commercial and had to have everything

in your face and that was second one was when

they were in the store and They were and they

were like in that grocery store and they used

all the different food for fighting I thought

the first one was right, but it started off with

all the people in New York eating pizza It's

been a while since I've seen it, obviously, but

still, I do enjoy it. Not surprised Kick -Ass

didn't make it. Thank God. I don't thank God.

I think it's a really funny movie. If you don't

understand the satire, I can understand why you

wouldn't like it, but it's really meant to be

a satirical piece on violence. It's the best

Nicolas Cage performance he's done in a long

time. What else is on here? Spider -man 2002

I can understand that I don't think it has aged

all that well Maybe that franchise will show

up other places. But besides that that's really

that jumps out to me. I can't really Oh someone

actually voted for Green Lantern. I'm guessing

that was Mike, right? No, no If our IPD was a

superhero film I'd vote for that it is based

off a comic Really quick here, that's the thing.

We should have really narrowed this down and

either made this a overall superhero countdown

or made this a comic book film countdown because

that's really what I went through. from my list

when I was making my top 20. And most of the

stuff that's in the honorable mentions, I'm glad

it's there, but just some stuff just boggles

my mind that I do not see as a actual superhero

movie. Hellboy, I don't see that as a superhero

movie. I see that as a comic book film. What

are some of the other ones here? Rocketeer, comic

book. Spawn, comic book. Like, superhero to me

is Batman, Spider -Man, Superman, Iron Man, that

kind of - If you wanna just go mainstream DC

or Marvel, but there's a lot more - No, I'm not

saying it has to be mainstream DC or Marvel,

it could be other things, I'm just saying, like,

those movies to me don't scre - like, Unbreakable,

that to me is a sci -fi movie. That's not - Superhero

I think they follow the same tropes as that any

superhero movie I mean you have a lot of them

have that reluctant hero the guy who discovers

his powers and has to overcome great odds I think

they do fit in that I mean spawn was one of the

biggest superheroes of the 90s Maybe he's not

there now. I don't think his movie was very good

But and I would say hellboy the same way and

I could see the argument for crow a little bit

more But I think superhero I don't I think we

did kind of limit it to superhero. We didn't

go beyond like comic book movies in general,

which is a good thing to point out because there's

things with comic book movies in general that

you get included, like Roach Perdition or Ghost

World that weren't included for this. So it does

narrow down some. But honestly, I think of all

the lists we've done considering. What makes

a genre a superhero and what doesn't I think

this was the easiest because I don't think there's

really any decisive That's like something like

Terminator 2 where you could say it's an action

movie and sci -fi I think all the films listed

here do qualify as maybe not mystery men I guess

I guess I guess that kind of does but overall

I think I think for the most part all of them

Yeah, I think this is this is the most straightforward

genre that we've covered just about I'm really

surprised that Fantastic Four didn't make it

yet according to the honorable mentions list

at some point unless Kev you can tell us that

Rise of the Silver Surfer didn't even come anywhere

close. Well I know but I'm just saying like to

me if no one voted on Rise of the Silver Surfer

then it's not there but if many if I know I didn't

vote for it so it had to be up to the six of

you guys the rest of you guys It's going to be

interesting to see because a lot of people hate

both those films. I enjoy both of them for what

they are. Iron Man 2, I'm not surprised about

that. Blade 2, I'm not surprised. That was more...

I know Blade's a combo character and he's technically

an anti -hero. But... I don't know. I see that

as a different genre altogether. I do want to

give a couple stats out there before we go too

much further. The only honorable mention, well,

first of all, Dan mentioned that Amazing Spider

-Man was the top voted on honorable mention and

missed the list by six points. It's also the

only honorable mention that was on six out of

the seven submitted lists. So it was only left

off of one list. So I thought that was pretty

impressive. There was three films that were on

five of the lists. That's the original X -Men,

TMNT, which we just talked about, and The Crow.

Those were all on five people's list and kick

-ass was on four people's list So those were

the top as far as how many lists they appeared

on I do want to say I was a little disappointed

and I understand you know that that they've been

getting pan or that the one has been getting

pan this year and that back when all the different

Avenger type movies leading up to that film were

out that this one got the worst reviews according

to a lot of people but If you're coming up with

a top 20, I'm a little surprised that only three

people listed Thor at all. And I was also surprised

that only two people listed man of steel on their

list now I know it's new and I know a lot of

people have been hard on it But I just kind of

expected those two to show at least show up somewhere

in the top 20 on more people's lists Maybe not,

you know towards the top, but at least somewhere

in the top 20 So those were kind of my two biggest

surprises were Thor and man of steel I thought

maybe x -men the original one and the crow might

sneak in there by other now how the croats again

on five people's list i know i don't steve is

on your list is not on yours or more it was not

known as our minds okay well good than everybody

else i don't see how that's aside just i've seen

that movie several times i i don't see how that's

a superhero movie or a comic you're just crashing

today pretty much i'm old and yet uh... you know

as well as the among that's right that's right

Oh crap. As far as Thor, I think the problem

with Thor is, at least for me as a mainstream,

I mean I do delve into some of the comedy things,

but Thor for me has never been a character that

I could ever take seriously. I've said this many

times before, not only on this show and on other

podcasts that we do. Thor to me is the comedy

relief. Thor to me is superhero squad type cartoon

antics. I did not enjoy the Thor film. I will

not be seeing the dark world. And I think Thor

is not a... He's not a relatable character that

much. I mean, sure, he's an alien that comes

here from another world. I mean, I guess you

could have... Equivalent that to people who you

know came to the United States from like that

Europe or whatever else But I just I've never

seen him like I cannot relate to Thor as I relate

to certain parts of Batman or certain certain

aspects of Nightwing's characteristics or certain

parts of Even Superman's characteristics Superman's

same reason he's an alien as well But he was

raised as an American and Thor because he is

the son of a god and he's a god himself I just

cannot relate to at all I'm gonna add equivalent

to my personal dictionary shut the hell up I

think for those that I could see what you're

saying about Thor because I think that is a problem

because it is I like that movie was in my top

20 and I understand people who do you feel disconnected

with it because it's a it's a hard character

to get into it's I mean you know it's a dude

who rocks a clock across a rainbow bridge it's

it's kind of odd but yeah but there I I've kind

of always got I kind of like mythology in some

ways and that's maybe why we could get into it

and I think If you're going to get into Thor,

there are some really good comics out there that

can kind of show you that there is a really strong

seriousness to him. Like the one of my favorite

comics, which I haven't really gotten into in

a while, but was the Thor series done by J. Michael

Straczynski from like 2007. That really handled

the character with a lot of like. Great intelligence

and it really wrote the character well and Thor

is very similar to the Hulk Where he's a hard

character the right with but if you get the right

people you can get some genius material The overall

movie I think handle it decently. Well, I think

it really kind of made it susceptible to the

general audiences I think it handled kind of

the Asgardian stuff pretty well kind of where

it me things like it's not just it's the it's

not magic it's science like you know we don't

understand this so to you it's magic to us it's

science so i can kind of get away with some of

the stuff but i i completely understand people

that don't get into that movie or i think my

other issue with the film is is freaking padme

as a romantically i i have nothing against natalie

portman's acting but the whole time i was watching

the movie i was just waiting for her Doppelganger

to come out in that weird garb from episode one.

I honestly I was Between the two characters they're

between Padme and Jane or whatever the hell the

character I don't even know what the characters

name is off top my head from Thor They they seem

so similar to me and it's like oh, they're doing

this again. Yay I don't know. I just I'm not

that into Thor unless he's making me laugh Steve,

what are your thoughts on the honorable mentions?

Well after that long -winded mess Just thought

I'd throw my two cents in yeah against you Crotchety

fucker today ass bitch I Can't say I disagree

with a lot of what's on our honorable mentions

list I'm a little surprised on a few just for

the fact that At least they debut films weren't

that bad Such as like Fantastic Four. Yeah, it

was alright I mean it wasn't great, but it was

alright same thing with spider -man 2002 Amazing

spider -man. I'm kind of surprised. It's not

on the list I ranked that six in my top ten Just

because it I like that iteration a little bit

better Dark Knight Rises I did have that in my

top ten, but that was not I wouldn't have put

that in my top five by any means They had a lot

of mess with it, so I can't disagree with that

either. I'm kind of surprised X -Men 1 is not

in there, just for the fact that it was kind

of the introduction of the Marvel Universe for

the most part, next to the Spider -Man films.

And whoever put Batman Forever in Batman and

Robin, I'm truly sorry for you. I knew Forever

wasn't going to make it. Those are both mine,

by the way. I figured as much. I freely admit

I enjoy Batman Forever. I don't care what anybody

says. And Alicia Silverstone in that Batgirl

uniform was hot as hell in Batman and Robin.

Yes, Batman and Robin is one of the worst comic

book movies ever made, but it still had its good

points. It still had the Bat credit card, Bat

nipples, and George Clooney. Well, we were bad

to be fair on my personal list because there's

so many other better ones Batman and Robin was

19 and Forever was 18. So he also was the only

person to vote for x3 Yeah, that was a travesty

but but x3 what I liked about x3 was the fact

that you have friggin Frasier crane as beast

but the story The overall story, they butchered

the X team and obliterated it, and now they're

retconning everything in the Days of Futures

past. Days of Futures past, yeah. So I mean,

it was just a travesty from the get -go. Well,

so was Wolverine, but... I gotta say that I'm

pleasantly... I'm happy that one film is on this

honorable mention list that is not on our actual

top 10, because I think it's... Usually gets

way too much Love and that's Watchmen I'll think

yeah, I'm not a fan I am definitely not a fan

of that film and the problem with Watch the problem

with the Watchmen fandom Is that everybody knew

everybody that read the stuff before the movie

came out knew everything about it? That's the

problem. I have with the whole Watchmen thing.

I have no interest in any of the characters I

don't know anything about any of the characters.

I've heard that... I think... I forget which

one it is. A couple of them are supposed to be

rip -offs of Batman and Superman. I'd rather

watch a Batman and Superman movie than watch

Watchmen. I would... I would rather watch Batman

and Robin than watch... Well, you apparently

would rather watch Batman forever in X3. Just

to speak on the other side, I added in my top

20, it was number 20, and I think part of that

was because there honestly aren't... of all the

lists, there aren't really 20 great superhero

movies, to be honest, concerning how much are

out there. You hear a lot of people who love

that movie, but I don't hear much. love for Watchmen.

Most people I hear are either on your side or

find it somewhat disappointing. I think it was

either one side or the other with that film.

For me it was more so when it first came out

I was just surrounded by people that were just

like googling over it and I just thought it was

the most amazing thing ever and I just like I

saw I even saw it in IMAX. And I just was very

underwhelmed. But I can agree with you with your

statement about trying to come up with 20 great

films. Like I was forced, well, not forced, but

I ended up putting like Unbreakable as my number

20th. Now, do I think that's a fantastic film?

No, but it was either that or I don't know. I

went between Unbreakable and Rocketeers for my

number 20. To me, Watchmen has one of the great

opening and then everything else not so much.

And I think the issue with Watchmen was that

Snacks Snyder was just too beholden to the source

material and I think it kind of it's it's a really

tough subject to cross It's like Watchmen is

like the godfather It's trying to remake Godfather

basically and you have so much expectations and

I think he was just too Too scared and maybe

not the right word But he was just too apprehensive

to kind of put his own spin on it So it just

kind of was all kind of blah with how much he

kind of tried to threw out the screen and a lot

of its commentary very on superheroes. I think

works in a comic book sense but not necessarily

maybe in a movie sense because I think a lot

of it what it's commenting on a lot of it what

it's kind of getting at doesn't really translate

well to people who aren't really within the genre

that much and honestly like honestly I I wouldn't

call it I have no issue with it not making it.

I think maybe if you I think that story does

have potential and if you're going to remake

a comic book movie down the line maybe Watchmen

might be a good one to try to tackle. Will say

really quickly because it is also a comic movie

even though it was used in another list of ours

and gangster list You look at Dick Tracy Just

looking look at the designs of that film the

character designs the backgrounds the setting

That screams comic book. Every time I watch that

movie, it's like a comic book is just popping

off my screen to me. Right. But this is superheroes

and there's no, I know I understand that, but

I'm just saying, you know, hell, if fucking kick

ass is a superhero movie, then so is Dick Tracy.

Um, you know, so, and as far as the other list,

as far as actually making a list, um, Kev, you're

not a big fan of sequels. Are you in general?

I put, I put, uh, Okay, well there's a reason

why I ask is because you guys are saying it was

so hard to make the top 20 It was so hard for

me kind of like what you said a couple years

ago making your top 100 kev where you end up

with Like 120 or 130 or whatever and cutting

that was my problem was moving around where I

wanted to rank What film and what film I liked

or enjoyed better? I have like six or seven sequels

on my list, but what I'm saying is, when I go

to make my list, and what I've done for all the

genres is first I do a once over and I highlight

any film that I just think is a freaking great

film. It'd be in my top 100 films or something

like that. And I highlight that. And with some

of the genres, I had more than 20 highlighted

first time through. With superhero film. Yeah,

there's a lot of them that I like but are there

that many that I think are just like fantastic

like Top ranked movies when I did my first highlight.

I didn't have 20 So it was you know coming up

with something to fill in that that I didn't

have that initial reaction of you know Fantastic

film type thing. I'm not saying they're bad Oh,

no, no, no. I know. I know that. I'm just saying

that that for me, like thinking of 20 comic book

movies or 20 superhero movies, it was fairly

easy for me because I automatically eliminated

movies that I didn't care for or the movies that

I didn't see. For me, the only besides Man of

Steel, the only two original Donner, well, Lester.

Lester and Donner films that made it for Superman

was the original and the Lester cut of Superman

2 so it's gonna be interesting to see if The

most hated Superman films make it on this list

because they're not anywhere in the honorable

mentions Yeah I mean I considered Watchmen just

for the sheer visual and then some of the things

that they did with it and then there was some

kind of Impactful things but yeah my 20 I was

just like I was like unbreakable the Rocketeer

x2 those were things I was thinking about number

20 but like I said just nothing that was like

running away with it for me It wasn't so much

narrowing it down as it was trying to get to

20 for this list for me I think my problem was

like after I had the tops I'd say the top seven

my number seven through number one making number

eight through number 20 again figuring out where

What you know thinking about each of the movies

and where I wanted to place them and what I thought

was better than the other one and and everything

else, that was tough. But getting that top seven

and in the order that I wanted them in, that

was easy. Fair enough. All right. Well, we are

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entertainment. All right, it's time then for

our top 10 slash 11 superhero films. And we're

going to start off with the one of the aforementioned

ties. So coming in tied for tenth. We are going

to start in 2011, fairly recent, and that is

with X -Men First Class. Coming in tied for a

tenth spot, who wants to start with X -Men First

Class? I guess I will. I enjoyed the movie up

to the point where Kevin Bacon put the damn Magneto

helmet on. I get his character as Sebastian Shaw,

and Shaw is supposed to be this badass, I'm sorry.

Just seeing Kevin Bacon with the Magneto helmet

on, just like, nope, I'm out, gone. I'm not saying

that, I'm not saying out, I'm gone, saying that

the movie's bad, I'm just like, oh my god, that

movie jumped the shark right there for me. Overall,

the story's great. I think it's absolutely amazing

what they did with Professor X and having him

come up and showing a younger side of him before.

He had his whole accident before. They shaved

his head, which they did. He did not allow them

to do. I love the Wolverine cameo in it. So hilarious.

I swear, if anyone ever replaces Hugh Jackman,

there will never be another live -action Wolverine

like what Hugh Jackman has put into that character.

I don't care. If X -Men Origins Wolverine was

bad, he still, for me, he still makes that movie

look good. At least they shut Ryan Reynolds up.

But anyway, first class, I liked it. I thought

it was really good. The effects were great. The

design was great. The story was interesting.

Wasn't too keen on them using mutants. I didn't

really know as the kids, but I see why they did

it. So, I enjoyed it. I can agree that it deserves

top ten. Was it a fact that this film was good

enough to warrant a top ten spot or was it the

fact that this came after the other two movies

that make it seem that much better? Think it

deserves it to be honest with you. I know it

does. Yeah, it does deserve it. Go ahead, Dan

I think the strengths of X -Men first -class

lies in the relationship between Charles Xavier

and Bagneto and I think it's done brilliantly

by James Mcdavoy and Michael Fassbender like

both of their performances are pretty amazing

and are like worthy of any movie not just a superhero

movie and I think they You look at the performances

by McKellen and Patrick Stewart. Those are, again,

two of the best examples of how to do a superhero

or comic book characters. I think they lived

up to what they left behind. To me, that has

so many great small moments amongst so many big

moments. One of my favorite moments in that movie

is just the moment where Charles Xavier is helping

Magneto move that gigantic satellite. and like

have and it's just a really touching moment for

a comic book movie and it was able to slow down

and Really get at the cross at like that relationship

and what drove magneto and fastbender in that

movie is just freaking amazing I Like he's just

he owns it and like I love the the magneto theme

that has it's one of the few themes and I think

the superhero movies recently that really works

also how it relates within using the Cuban Missile

Crisis within the framework of the X -Men films

and how it does reboot the franchise in an interesting

way. I mean, there are some issues. Some of the

kids aren't really well developed. The like any

like the Sebastian stuff is interesting. I mean.

He comes off as more of a James Bond villain

than maybe a superhero superhero villain, but

I liked him in that performance I liked his little

crazy submarine. I did I did think January Jones

as Emma Frost was pretty horrible She's just

not a very good actress. She looks fine, but

she's she's not the greatest and I think it really

melded, like Bryan Singer who produced it, and

Matthew Vaughn who directed it, they have a really

solid understanding of the characters, and I

think they know what makes those characters work.

And I think it's a really strong cast of really

great actors, and I really love First Class,

and I do think X -Men 2 is a little bit better,

but I'm kind of surprised it's on this list,

but I think it's well -deserving. I think number

10 is a good spot for it. What about you, Steve?

What are your thoughts on X -Men First Class?

That film I actually Really liked how they kind

of introduced everybody for the first time and

kind of did more into their backstory And also

kind of explaining some of the other various

brotherhood or Xavier's group It was a nice foundation

and then you get to see a lot of the technology

and a lot of the things that would come later

on, even though it didn't quite make sense with

X3. But again, X3 was a travesty. And then I

also love the scene where they go to talk to

Wolverine and he's like, screw off. But the film

overall, I'd say that it's... very deserving

of being in the top 10 on any of the X films.

It was voted on by six of the seven members and

the lone person who left it off their list is

here. Dan? So Mike, did it not deserve to be

in the top 10? No, it deserves to be in the top

10. But like for me, it wasn't. It wasn't Batman

and Robin level. You wanted X3. You did vote

on X3. Shut up. I did like x3 that's the like

I've liked all of the x -men movies including

Wolverine origin Which was good for me shut up

First class was there a certain I guess you could

call them prequel films that you can tell that

people will enjoy and that I would enjoy But

and I did enjoy the film. I didn't feel like

I felt like I had Other films that were better.

Even if I put this at number 20 Or number 19

or whatever it's still I Injured like this isn't

a film I have ever I've watched this exactly

one time Through a red box rental and I've never

watched it again. It's not that I dislike it

It's just okay. So your mission for the rest

of the 2013 is to get x3 and x -men first class

and watch them back -to -back and then report

back to us. No. Denied. I tried. What's next?

What did it tie with? All right. Also coming

in at our 10th spot, we're going to leave the

2000s. And don't worry, we'll come back to them.

But we're going to go all the way back. I should

only have to say the year for this one, really.

We're going to go back to 1989. Batman. Or Batman.

Superman 4. That was 87, get your gears right.

Michael Keaton, Jack Nicholson, Kim Basinger,

Batman from 1989 coming in tied at the 10th spot

with X -Men First Class. Batman 1989 is also

the first film we're talking about here that

appeared on all seven people's lists. So it's

unanimously selected amongst the seven people.

did rank it number 10 still. So, I mean, nobody

had it super high. I'll go down the line here.

I had it ranked, I think about 12th. Steve, you

had it about eight. I was at nine. Nine. Mike,

you were about 14, 15, somewhere in that range.

Just same as Dan. Same as JT. Birdman Dodd had

it ranked number three. And Mr. Wilson had it

about eight or nine too. A lot of people had

it kind of in the middle of road 15. Some people

had eight or nine and Birdman had it up at number

three. So who wants to start with Batman 1989?

Steve, you love the Joker. Yeah, but not in the

pale moonlight. This film, I really like the

introduction. I think that Tim Burton really

kind of knocked it out of the park here, kind

of setting the tone for the future of superhero

films. unfortunately Joel Schumacher had to make

it a joke but um no this film introduced a lot

of the Batman tech in real world application

to some extent not quite like the Nolan verse

but it's our first dark version of Batman on

screen and you get a really twisted Jack Nicholson

playing the Joker, and you get Keaton playing

Batman, who actually was a better Batman than

Bruce Wayne. But it was a nice introduction to

Batman in modern day. I mean, it's hard to beat

that as far as the previous four films were before

the Dark Knight trilogy. I think, too, what Batman

1989, at least for me, To me, the impact is huge

that this film had. This film, at least in my

growing up and coming to terms with films, was

the first superhero film that made me take notice

and that made me think, you know, wow, they can

actually make these into actual live -action

films that for me are... Acceptable believable

up to that point. This is the best costuming

and best Effects I had seen in any type of superhero

type film. I thought the bat -suit was was pretty

well done Jack Nicholson obviously is perfect

as the Joker So I mean for me it had a big impact

as far as being something that that I hadn't

quite seen done like this and that made me think

wow this You know the sky's the limit obviously

it's been reinvented, you know, the wheels been

reinvented numerous times in this genre especially

recently but For the time to me that had a big

impact on what would come later on Dan. What

do you think about Batman 1989? I think if anything,

you got a credit Batman 89 for probably giving

us the Batman animated series So that alone kind

of makes it to the ring for this Along the same

sentiment like you think about what came before

I mean you have to credit Superman but up to

this point like Superman 2 was long gone What

was going to be the next thing and it was Batman

in 89 and I think it reinvented the character

for a lot of people and it's at that point for

those who weren't reading in comics like Adam

West was still everyone's Batman and now that

changed and they show that Batman can be a grown

-up character and to the world that film is in

is great. It's very, you know, gothic. It does

feel like a comic book. The theme song is great.

I still, probably my favorite Batmobile is Batman

1989. Some of it doesn't hold up all that well.

There are some little bit questionable things

about, you know, who gets let into the Batcave

and some things that don't age perfectly, but

considering the time, I think that's something

you have to consider when doing these lists.

in this movie. It is a very important movie for

comic books and I think if without that success

who knows what would come after and I think that

was a movie people were chasing ever since until

probably the 2000s. People were trying to be

the next Batman 1989 and nothing really accomplished

that probably until maybe spider -man or x -men

were able to kind of get to that level So very

well deserving to be on the list speaking and

kind of the same sentiment giving some backup

to what you're just saying And I am reading a

little bit of this, but uh, yeah, you definitely

mentioned the Batman animated series and kind

of establishing the modern -day superhero film

genre. This is from Bruce Timm. He said, our

show would never have gotten made if it hadn't

been for the first Batman movie. Tim Burton also

said, ever since I did Batman, it was like the

first dark comic book movie. Now everyone wants

to do a dark and serious superhero movie. I guess

I'm the one responsible for that trend. I guess

that's... We shouldn't expect anything else from

Tim Burton, but uh Some afi things it was nominated

for afi is 100 years 100 movies It was also nominated

for their 100 years 100 thrills The joker came

in as number 45 villain on their 100 heroes and

villains batman came on at number 46 hero They

didn't get a quote on the list, but have you

ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight

was nominated It was also nominated for 100 years

of film scores and in a weird sense, I guess

because they didn't have Comic book slash superhero

as a genre it got nominated for the top ten fantasy

film list, but it did not make the list Mike

I remember the I remember all the ad campaigns

for this movie Anybody who is Who has seen this

or remembers the old ad campaigns one of the

best ads was the diet coke ad? where Alfred's

calling the corner store No, this this black

car you won't miss I remember the McDonald's

ads. I remember everything about this movie.

It was just so great the movie itself. Yes. There

are certain flaws. Yes Jack Napier did not kill

Thomas and Martha Wayne we get it But I think

the reason why they went down that road for the

storytelling with that this particular version

of the origin Is because of the fact that it

had to be relatable to mainstream audiences Like

Dan said maybe and not a lot of people were reading

the comics back then maybe people didn't know

it was Joe chill that killed Thomas and Martha

Wayne You know so having Nicholson's character

kill them or and they didn't really even do it

justice honestly now that I'm thinking about

it because they did it in a flashback way where

it's somebody It's some other parents and some

kid named Jimmy They they told it in a weird

backwards ass way, but it wasn't even really

Bruce Wayne's parents, but you still got the

the gist of hey this kid's parents died and that

put him on the path to becoming Batman. He goes

all crazy and takes painkillers for the rest

of his life so he can actually be the goddamn

Batman. The movie itself I thought was great.

I love the acting. I find it so funny and I always

make this joke. Michael Keaton from Batman to

a Ken doll. Nice. He's had a lot of good run

in between those. Think of the actors that were

around in 1989. Think of the actors that portrayed

villains. People like Gary Busey as Mr. Joshua

in Lethal Weapon. People like Hans Gruber in

Die Hard. Who the hell, other than Jack Nicholson,

could have pulled off the Joker the way he did?

Nobody. Just nobody. Danny Elfman's music was

amazing. I agree with Dan. It's still... My favorite

live action Batmobile. It's just an awesome,

awesome film. All right. And like I said, it

was voted on by all of us. It'll be a while in

the countdown before we get to another film that

was on all seven lists. But moving away from

our tie here into our number eight spot, we're

going to go back to the only film that will reach

our countdown from the decade of the 70s. And

that is 1978. original Superman That was on a

second. You said this was top 11. So this is

technically number nine, right? Well, there's

there's two different ties. So technically this

is number eight. Anyway Superman the original

1978 coming in at the next spot. It was on everybody's

list except for Birdman's and it is also our

first case of somebody's top film Being stricken

down. So JT will be disappointed that this is

not number one. I guess He's gonna and he'll

kill get over it. Everybody else Canadian jokes

Exactly. Everybody else. Hey, okay. Hold on before

we really get into this really quickly I cannot

believe this was not on Mike Dodd's list because

he is a huge Superman fan. I have to agree. I

Don't get that like what is his number one favorite

Superman movie Superman for? Wait and see I guess

Superman five a new hope Mr. Wilson had this

at number 11 JT like I said had this at number

one Dan had it at number four Mike you had this

about seven, I think eight seven or eight Steve

you had this at 18 and I had this at 19 So Dan

you had it ranked the highest among us so you

can start on this one. I think you It's kind

of what made superhero movies Possible really

I mean it is the first real superhero movie ever

to hit the big screen and it was done. I think

really well Some of it does like some similar

with Batman a 1989 some of it doesn't age all

that well You know seeing Superman running next

to a train looks more like Kermit the Frog than

it does the Man of Steel But overall, I think

it's still a really great way to tell an origin

story it kind of set kind of the standard and

If people would follow I think uh as jor -el

martin brando was Really, you know did a really

great job I mean he was giving little effort

but brando with little effort still pretty solid

and To the I think that the crux of that movie

and what makes that movie really work is christopher

reeve Who's still to this day the best? Super

superhero or superman and I think maybe the best

superhero in general like he hits superman really

well and he his clark hent makes you actually

believe people won't realize they're the same

people. He's got really great comedic timing

with that character. We kind of talked more in

depth regarding it within the MR episode, but

I think it's an important movie and I just love

the way it told the Superman story and brought

people into that world. I think the effects overall

were... Pretty impressive for the time. Sometimes

you don't believe a man can fly, but there are

occasions where you're like, oh, that can actually

seem kind of believable. And I love Gene Hackman

as Lex Luthor. Yes, his plot is kind of ridiculous.

Yes, turning back the Earth is. Possibly one

of the dumbest things in superhero movie history,

but still it's only dumb when you do it twice

in a cut That was never seen by most people.

I think it's kind of dumb no matter what I mean,

you would basically kill everybody on earth if

you did that But anyways it I love that movie.

I think it's great. I'm glad it's on the list

Lex Luthor was nominated for the 100 years 100

villains, but did not make the list Superman

made it at number 26 for heroes Can you read

my mind was nominated for a hundred years a hundred

songs? I'm here to fight for truth justice and

the American way was nominated for quotes The

film score was nominated and it was also like

the last one that was nominated for top ten fantasy

films But did not make the list. Yeah, I should

have made the score because that's pretty amazing

as well The film score was nominated but never

made the list. There's something wrong with these

AFI people, just like there's something wrong

with the MMPAA. Because, holy crap, John Williams'

score, John Williams' theme, specifically for

Superman, everybody, whether you're a Superman

fan or not, everybody knows every single note

of that song as soon as you hear it. I don't.

Well, you're not a superhero fan, so... No, I'm

just not a Superman fan. Anyway. Steve, what

do you think about Superman coming in here? I

think it's a necessary version of Superman to

be in the list. I think that granted it's not

I mean I just recently saw Man of Steel which

I probably would have put in my top 20 but I

would say that this is the most pure Superman

like as far as going to the lengths of, you know,

saving people and all this other stuff. So whereas

the other Superman doesn't. But yeah, I think

that just the way that this whole film, I mean,

granted, it's dated, but it's still I think it

still holds up fairly well other than the fact

that you can tell it's made in the 70s from hairstyles

and clothes. That's true. Mike and Christopher

Reeve will always be the best live -action film

Superman As far as other live -action Superman

specifically television I have other favorites

But as far as films go Christopher Reeve is the

best he will always be the best As far as the

film itself Dan does have a point Technically

if you did do that to the earth you'd be killing

everybody so technically Superman almost was

a mass murderer in this movie Just to save Lois

right yeah in hell But the combination with the

score the acting all that stuff and just the

events that happen and again, this is one of

those movies that It truly made most of us believe

that a man could fly, and it was just a damn

good representation. So yeah, Superman, very

awesome. All right. Well, let's move on then,

because the next film only beats Superman by

one point. And we saw JT's number one film go

down. We're going to see his number two film

go down with this one. Next look we'll get over

it next on our list We're going to stick kind

of staying in the in the past here before we

we jump to the future for most of the rest of

the list and that is in 1980 or Superman 2 Now

I have to ask which cut was his number one number

two because I specifically cited in my list the

Lester cut I Considered them all the same. They're

not the same. Yes You cannot, you cannot consider

both... Everyone else just put Superman 2, they

didn't put which cut, so they all fell into the

same thing. Well, they should have. Because when

someone says Superman 2, I think of the Lester

cut. So JT's gonna have to email in or comment

on this episode and define which one he put as

his number 2. For me, the Lester cut is just

far superior. I enjoyed it more. It was the original

theatrical version of the film And again, we

didn't get the Donner cut for 30 years until

30 years after or so The whole degrees I'm not

trying to interrupt you or whatever, but you

are in the minority with that opinion, right?

Well, no, not necessarily The thing about Superman

2 is it shows you that Clark is becoming more

human over time, like he wants to give up his

power, like he just doesn't know what to do.

He's a lost little boy in this movie. And Christopher

Reeve played that to a T, even when he went back

and defeated the bully at the end. It was just

an overall great movie. I love how he tricked

the Kryptonians at the end. I do think that the

Kiss of Forgetfulness is one of the lamest plot

points ever, but other than that, I still really

enjoyed the original theatrical cut of Superman

2. Alright, going through how everybody ranked

this, there was two people that did not have

this on their list. That would be me and Steve.

So I guess we won't have as much to say about

this. It was only on five people's list. Not

that that's... Small amount Dan. How do you think

about superman 2 you had it in your second ten?

Yeah, I did a 13 I kind of I I know a lot of

people like superman 2 more than superman, but

I kind of do the opposite I think superman's

a tighter film and regarding the cuts I don't

think they're nearly as different as Mike does

I I think there's as much difference there's

more difference between the directors cut a Blade

Runner there and the regular version than there

is a Donner and the lesser cut yeah, there's

some differences there and some But overall,

I don't think they're all that different, or

all that better or worse than each other. I think

they both have their own issues. I think they

both have their own positives. So I just went

Superman 2, because I don't see a huge difference.

Regarding Superman 2, similar to the first Superman,

how Superman 1 showed us how to do an origin

film, Superman 2 showed you how, when you have

that character... establish how you can go further

with it and kind of increase the action. Bring

in a great villain like Zod who's awesome. I

think Terrence Stamp as Zod is freaking amazing.

He kind of owns that character and he's just

so hammy and so fun. The action in that is pretty

great and the sequence in New York. Hackman in

that he has really no place but he still works

and seeing him and Terrence Stamp go toe -to

-toe is a lot of fun. I think it's deserving.

I kind of wish Superman was a little higher than

Superman 2, but I think for most people since

they saw Superman as kids, they're probably going

to gravitate towards that movie more because

it's quicker, it's faster, it's more exciting.

It's interesting because like I said, Steve and

I only voted on Superman, so we obviously had

it ranked higher than Superman 2. Mike had Superman

higher than Superman 2. Dan, you had Superman

higher than Superman 2. JT had Superman 1 and

Superman 2. second. It was really Dodd and Wilson

because Dodd had Superman 2 in the fifth spot

and Michael Wilson had it in the sixth spot.

So they really elevated Superman 2's status where

they had the original. Well Dodd didn't even

vote on the original Superman and Wilson had

the original Superman quite a way down on his

list. But most people were in agreement that

Superman is better than Superman 2. It was just

how high two people ranked Superman 2. They kind

of edged it out by one point over the original

Superman. Mike other thoughts or reactions to

what Dan said? No, I mean I Will say that the

whole the differences between the two cuts is

With the Donner cut there's more Jor -El stuff

Than what's in the original theatrical cut and

then there is the whole Slightly twisted different

way that they get out of the Phantom Zone. It's

just it's they're basically dual side Superman

2 between the two cuts is a dual -sided mirror

It just reflects back on each other and it's

one of those things where one of the main sticking

points for me Why I enjoy the theatrical cut

better is because I don't like seeing the same

damn plot and Two movies I've said this before

I said this on the Superman spotlight on M wire

You ended Superman 1 with him reverse rotating

the earth to turn back time If the Donner Cut

had been allowed to be the theatrical cut, you

would have had the exact same thing... as it

stands. I know for a fact that Donner wanted

to end Superman 1 differently than the way it

ended, the way we got it, but I just... Lester

superior Donner inferior work regarding that

real quick like I think I mentioned in that episode

but the point of the Donner cut is that the beginning

of it is supposed to be rewriting the end of

Superman 2 so it It's yes, it's repeating it

movie. Yeah, it's supposed to be rewriting the

end of Superman. It's it it's Donner's cut of

Superman 2 is kind of Superman like 1 .5 and

Superman 2 put together. So right. Yeah, so that

that That's why it's repeating because the idea

is like that never happened after Superman one.

It's like he gives you the Superman kiss So you

forget it happened. This is what it should have

happened. And then okay, that's gonna go at the

end but yeah, anyways, I Wanted to mention that

Steve any thoughts on Superman 2? Honestly, I

think that having Superman 1 in there was sufficient

Don't think the need for Superman 2 to be in

there was really needed Yeah, I'm actually somewhat

shocked that we've had two Superman films in

the top ten just because I obviously I've stated

my distaste for the Superman as the whole franchise

goes but however, I I do know or I don't know

but because it could not have been voted on at

all, but Have a feeling there's gonna be a double

shot of Batman coming up or a triple shot We'll

have to wait and see coming in next we're gonna

get out of the 70s and 80s for the rest of the

countdown Coming in at number six is the only

film that was only voted on by four people. It's

the only film that was able to get enough votes

from just four people to make our list. Everything

else was on. There was, like I said, Superman

two was on five of the people's lists. Everything

else was on six or seven lists. So coming in

next is 2013. Wait, that's this year. That would

be Iron Man three. What the fuck now? Another

number one bites the dust Mike's number one film

has gone down here Now we should say, you know,

obviously it's a 2013 film. So that could have

played into either More people voting for it

because it's on their mind and current or less

people voting for it because maybe they haven't

seen it yet or it hasn't hasn't had time to resonate

We had Iron Man 3 coming in next and Mike since

you had it ranked number one of the best superhero

film of all time. So what is next? Is this X

number six or number seven? What number are we

actually up to here? This is, I'm calling six.

Okay. Um, but since you had it as your number

one superhero film of all time, defend yourself.

Iron Man 3 isn't a set up movie, it isn't an

origin movie, it's a continuation from the events

that happened from Avengers. It's shown, like

in Iron Man, we saw Tony Stark... the billionaire

playboy drunk jerk that would do stupid stuff.

After the events of the Avengers... What takes

places are in Iron Man 3 is he has to actually

be an adult and be mature and he has to deal

with psychological issues of going through a

black hole in the Avengers The soundtrack score

from Bryan Tyler. I can't praise that enough.

It's it's great. It's very emotional music Yes,

there are certain things about Iron Man 3 that

some people might find questionable like I know

I know there's a lot of backlash towards having

that kid Harley in there but I didn't find it

annoying at all I just like the story that they

told in that because the other thing is you got

to see a further friend The the furthering of

the friendship with road with roadie and tony

and I just I enjoy it overall It's a movie. I

could watch multiple times. I mean pretty much

I like all three of the iron man movies i've

never said that I haven't liked all three of

them Um, but iron man 3 was a damn damn good

movie and it told a damn interesting story Yeah,

as I said mike had it ranked number one. I had

it number nine steve had it number four And Mike

Wilson had it number two actually it was not

on Dan's Dodds or JT's list Yeah, Dodd hates

that movie now. He's like he's like on Facebook.

Oh the more I think of Iron Man 3 the more I

actually hate it anyways, Dan why not Iron Man

3? Honestly, I I don't know a lot. I like Iron

Man 3. I gave it a pretty positive review. I

just think they're better films out there and

I wouldn't I I do agree it's better than Iron

Man 2 and I love the first Iron Man but I don't

know I just when I think great comic book movies

it doesn't really come into my mind it I think

because it's so soon I think part of it too is

kind of just feeling kind of a with the Marvel

franchise as a whole just kind of they all are

starting to run together a little bit just with

how many of them there are and I thought that

they're not great in their own right but I just,

I felt there were better movies out there and

I don't really, I don't see Iron Man 3 as a movie

that's really gonna be all that remembered a

great years down the line as compared to some

other movies. I did love it. I love Shaded Black's

direction. I did like how... uh, he kind of melded

his Kind of sensibilities within that framework.

I love what they did with the mandarin and a

lot of people don't like that But I think it's

freaking awesome and I wish more marvel would

do more things like that and take more chances

But I don't know part of it too. I always feel

a little uncomfortable Ranking a movie that just

came out amongst movies i've seen countless times

before And i've only seen iron man 3 once so

I i'm a little hesitant to kind of compare that

to something that i've you know have seen like

x -men first class a billion times and i don't

think it's necessarily a fair comparison so maybe

if i did this list five years down the line maybe

i would put it on there but at this point i just

i'm not ready to say it's top 20 worthy yet i

think you have a point though too as far as um

you know thinking of the genre overall um some

weight has to be put into the the impact or you

know what unique quality one film has to separate

itself from the other. And we kind of, you know,

X -Men First Class kind of revitalized, you know,

that franchise after, well, outside of Mike's

opinion, after a couple kind of... bust movies

for the X -Men franchise. You know, Batman 1989,

we talked about that impact. Superman, we talked

about that impact. I feel like with the last

one and this one, I don't necessarily see that

special quality in Superman 2 or Iron Man 3 that

maybe separates it from the rest. I did enjoy

Iron Man 3. Like you said, I liked it a little

bit more, just barely a little bit more than

Iron Man 2. But yeah, maybe not the impact that

we've seen from some of the other films. Steve,

what do you think about Iron Man 3? Um, I think

that it was Not as good as the first one and

I do agree it does continue the events of the

Avengers but I think it involves the character

a little bit more Iron Man 2 was just kind of

a setup for Avengers. So it felt kind of flat

and weak Whereas Iron Man 3 was much better.

I Do have a few nitpicks with it but Overall,

I can't argue that it was a really good entertaining

film and deserved to be in the top 10. Fair enough.

Mike, any other thoughts on Iron Man 3? The way

I look at Iron Man 3, it's a character journey

for Tony Stark because he's throughout Iron Man

1, 2, 3 and Avengers, you see like he is... Right

now, Tony Stark, Robert Downey Jr., he is the

face of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. And it

was built around him and the original Iron Man

in the first place, but with Iron Man 3, it's

just the story is good, he has to go outside

the box, he gets attacked at his home. Uh, yeah,

I... I still have reservations of how they actually

treated the Ben Kingsley Mandarin character part.

but seeing what actually happens with the rest

of it. And as far as everybody's thinking, oh,

it's too new or what? I don't I don't believe

in that. I don't consider like if I was going

to consider time, I would say that Superman two

is too goddamn old to be on this list that, you

know, it just time doesn't make any damn difference

to me when it comes to movies. It really doesn't.

Do you really think like Iron Man three is really

going to be up there for you five years from

now? Like, do you honestly think like if you're

going to? Yeah. Okay, well it might not be number

one, but it'll it will at least be at least in

my top five I guarantee it. I enjoyed it that

much and plus I saw it twice in the theater,

so granted it was free, but You know it's a damn

good movie It really really is you have to look

at the way I'm looking at this film is The psychology

of Tony Stark and what that man has gone through

to get where he got in Iron Man 3 I'll say this

for later because I think we might talk about

it, but I would argue that that development is

stronger in other films, but I don't want to

go too further because I'm pretty sure we'll

probably be talking about that movie again. For

the record, all films in Mike's top six came

out in the last five years. So obviously dates

have some type of impact on his list. I'm not

saying good or bad. Anyway. Let's go on to a

franchise that has not been heard of yet in our

top 10 for our number five pick. I'm going with

five here. The film made it onto six of the seven

people's lists. We're going back a few years

to 2004, and that would be Spider -Man 2. So

Spider -Man 2 coming in at the fifth spot. Not

on Steve's list. It was on my list, fairly low.

Mike, you had it at number 10. 11. I'm looking

at my list right now. It's number 11. X2 is number

10. You gave me a different list then. Dan, yours

is number 3. It was number 11 on JT's list. It

was number 4 on Birdman Dodd's list. And it was

number 4 on Michael Wilson's list. So a lot of

people are ranking it high. None ranked it higher

than you, Dan. So why don't we start with Spider

-Man 2 for you? I'd still think this is by far

the best part I meant movie it unlike the first

Spider -Man movie. I think it ages really well

It has a dr. Octopus I never thought that character

would work an actual big -screen adaptation,

but it does and Sam Raimi really uses his like

sensibilities was like a horror director well

with the game that Dr. Octopus's arms also with

that movie every action set piece has great character

development and I think that's the one movie

that really nails the story of Peter Parker and

Has all that comic book action along with it.

It's all about building that character building

that struggle You know the great power comes

great responsibility is never better shown than

that movie It has one of my favorite action set

pieces of all time with the train sequence I

love how that's handled and how it and how it

escalates further and further. I Love the performances

in that, you know, you have JK Simmons. Obviously,

it's JJ JJ Jonah Jameson I think Toby McGuire

probably gives his best performance as Peter

Parker. I know a lot of people have Kind of grown

this since like Spider -Man 3 that seems to be

a new Testament that like he's not a good peter

parker. He's kind of too whiny, but I don't really

agree with that I think he fits the character

well in the second film spider -man 3 notwithstanding

also loved how they handled the Mary Jane -Peter

Parker relationship and how he kind of deals

with losing his powers and how that affects him.

Yes, it's a trope that's done a lot in comic

book movies, the guy who loses his powers, but

it's handled really well. It blends a lot of

great comic book stories from Spider -Man's lore

and puts them together in an interesting way.

Special effects are really well handled. Alfred

Molina is great as Dr. Octopus. What else can

I say? And I think it kind of, again, showed

how great a sequel can be. Like I think it kind

of, in a way, Spider -Man followed what Superman

did by showing how great its origin can be and

expanded upon it further in Superman 2, Spider

-Man 2, because I love the action. I just, I

don't know. To me, I love the score. One of the

best comic book scores of this last decade, in

my opinion, so. Think it's I love it I know I

feel spider -man 3 has kind of heard it in a

lot of ways because it's been that movie so bad

that people just seem to view that movie it's

not as good as I know I think it is but Steve

what about you because you had a spider -man

The original spider -man on your list you had

amazing spider -man you left spider -man 2 off

is it not as good as those other two? For me

a lot of the Superhero films I find that the

first film is the better one out of the many

Occasionally I find one of the sequel films to

be To my liking but The rest of that spider -man

trilogy while I will say that spider -man 2 did

add some growth I Just I didn't like the rest

of the tubby McGuire spider -man verse Fair enough

What about you, Mike? Well, Spider -Man specifically,

going back and looking at it now, I am so much

happier with Andrew Garfield as Peter Parker

Spider -Man. Going back and watching any of the

Spider -Man movies now, I don't have the love

for them that I did when they first came out.

Spider -Man 2, as Dan said, is a great film,

specifically because they were able to pull off

Doc Ock very well. Alfred Molina just sells the

performance on that. It was absolutely awesome.

For Spider -Man 3, I know we're not really talking

about that, but Dan brought it up, and I enjoyed

Spider -Man 3 for what it was. Do I think that

Emo Peter is a lame -o? Yes. Do I think they

used too many villains? Yes. But overall, it

did kind of continue slash end the story. At

this point, I'm more interested to see what they

do with their current franchise with Amazing.

But Spider -Man 2 overall, it's a good film.

If you compared it to other twos like X -2 or

Iron Man 2 or, you know, Superman 2, obviously,

you know... It depends on who you would ask,

but I did enjoy the movie. I thought it was interesting

when I first saw it. Alright, then we will move

into our top half of our list here. Starting

with also a fairly recent film. Coming in at

number four is 2011's Captain America. Now Captain

America was on six people's lists. It was not

on Mike's list Dodd had this at number 17. That

was the lowest ranked besides Mike who left it

off. Mr. Wilson had it at number nine Dan had

it at seven Steve and I both had it at number

five and JT had it at number four So the three

of us were pretty close here with Captain America

coming in at number four I personally As far

as the films leading up to The Avengers, you

know, I'd like basically all of them except for

I can't speak to the Incredible Hulk because

I didn't see it As still just don't have any

interest in seeing it. But uh, you know, I like

the iron the first two Iron Man films I liked

Thor as I stated before And I really enjoyed

Captain America. I thought that was that's really

done. Well It was the first time You know, I'd

seen him Captain America as a character on the

big screen. I don't know if he has ever represented

before that or not. But I just really enjoyed

learning about the character and then the way

they did it and the kind of the historian in

me like that aspect of the film. So I really

enjoyed Captain America. Surprised that it's

as high as it is on our list. Surprised that

it appeared on six different people's lists when

things like Man of Steel and Thor and stuff like

that didn't even come close. So surprised by

the unity and the love for Captain America that

I saw across the board. I'm happy for it, a little

surprised that it's this high. Steve, how did

you like Captain America? Surprisingly, I liked

the film more than what I thought. I would say

in the Marvel cinematic universe, the part of

their phase one, so to speak, I like that second

to the Iron Man film. I like the creation of

the super soldier and then how it kind of ties

into shield. Starks' father and then Thor. I

mean, it's kind of, if you think about it, it's

tied to all the films. It's basically the ultimate

prequel to all the rest of the Marvel cinematic

universe. So it kind of adds a lot of depth into

things to come in various other Marvel films

for the end of phase one and beginning of phase

two. Yeah, I definitely agree with that Dan you

had it ranked in your top ten So are you surprised

that it's in our top ten? Is it should it be

in our top ten? I'm not surprised in the top

ten. I'm surprised. It's up this high but I Do

like that movie a lot. I I what I love about

that, too I should have mentioned this with Iron

Man 3 but what I do like about Iron Man 3 is

that it it does allow kind of Shane Black to

put a little bit of his own stamp but to me the

one comic book movie the more Marvel phase one

movie or that really feels like it allowed its

director to kind of go his own way was Captain

America. It has that like almost Raiders of the

Lost Ark feel. It's so kind of outlandish with

some of the vehicle design and it kind of hearkens

back to all those great serials of the past,

similar to Raiders of the Lost Ark, which is

not surprising because Joe Johnson wants to be

Spielberg. I love Chris Evans as Captain America.

Some of the action in that is really fantastic.

I love how it kind of fits in a framework of

like a World War II movie. Like a classic World

War II film with all the different characters,

with that team. I love the montage in the middle

of it with them going across the World War II

and how that fits together. One thing too I love

in Captain America is the uniform of Captain

America. In the first film. I love that so much

more than the one in the avengers. It just looks

More practical if you can want to say practical

But I also love how it kind of combined how it

made the legend of captain america How he started

off as this like usa usa propaganda piece and

had to prove himself as a hero I liked how that

kind of transitioned and how they kind of were

able to Bring in like that costume and make it

work. Um, and also another pretty solid score

too for that for that movie But yeah, so happy

i'm surprised to tie but i'm happy it's in the

top 10 Yeah, I agree. Um, so tfg and mike, uh,

you left it off your list explain yourself I

do enjoy captain america first avenger I just

didn't think of it at the time when I made the

list. Um It's a great movie, I will say, when

they first announced the film. I'm thinking,

wait, no, Chris Evans is the Human Torch, dammit,

he's Johnny Storm, how can he also be Captain

America? And I know that they're going to eventually

reboot Fantastic Four and they're probably not

going to get him or Michael Chiklis back to do

Human Torch or Ben Grimm the thing, but... Enjoy

Captain America. I think it's a great film. I

love how it ties Howard Stark in Stories great.

I think it's interesting to look at some of Tommy

Lee Jones's films and see How much of a backseat

he can take and not be the star even though he

kind of is in this movie Because you know, normally

you see a Tommy Lee Jones film. He's at he's

top build in this one. He really wasn't it was

like hey Agent K is showing up in World War II.

And again, speaking of agents, why is Agent Smith

wearing a red skull? I like Hugo Weaving as an

actor, don't get me wrong, but every role he

has, three major roles that he's done that I

know of, they all feel so similar between Agent

Smith, Megatron, the voice of Megatron, and Red

Skull. Sure, Red Skull has a German accent, but

I don't know, it just... It just felt strange

to me with him as that character, but the film

overall, I agree with Dan. It's very Raiders

of the Lost Ark -esque, especially with trying

to find the Tesseract and everything else, and

it was damn good. I see why Dan prefers the...

Now, when you say the early uniform, you don't

mean the USO uniform. You mean when he has the

jacket on, right? Yeah, like the battle uniform,

the one that... Right. Oh, okay. I just wanted

to make sure. The USO uniform, I thought it's

more of a joke, I think. I think it's kind of

funny how they use that. The jacket uniform,

I liked it. I thought it was interesting. I thought

it was cool, but I see what they're doing now.

Having to bring him into the future and having

to use the current one that they're using. But

overall, no. I'm happy that Captain America made

the list. Again, like Dan, I'm kind of surprised

that it made it this far up. Yeah, for sure.

And leaves us wondering about what's left. Let's

get to it. Number three just edging out Captain

America by two points. Our number three film,

again, no vote for TFG1 Mike, but it's 2005's

Batman Begins. Let me just start off really quickly.

I've said this many times before. For me, the

origin of Batman happens in animated form with

Mask of the Phantasm. That is the origin that

I enjoy for Batman. I only have one thing to

say to you. Well, hold on, hold on. The reason

why Batman Begins did not make my list is because

I only really enjoy the back half of the movie

once he puts the cowl on. The first half of the

movie I just don't care for. From the man who

voted for five Batman films, not including Batman

Begins. I don't care for the beginning part of

the movie. I don't care to see Qui -Gon Jinn

training Batman. Anyways. I'm serious. It was

on six of our lists. For myself I had it ranked

number four Steve had it number ten or eleven.

Excuse me Dan you had it like a nine I believe

JT six dot seven and Wilson eight So most of

us actually had it in our top Ten or eleven Dan

what you were gonna say something. I was like

Just with Mike I gotta admit Mike you're your

own man. I mean there's no doubt about that Though

I guess you don't like the first half so that

means do you like all Batman and Robin if you

don't like the first half of Batman and begins

is that I'm understanding correctly. The whole

point of Batman Begins is the first half of the

movie is you have to show him how he becomes

Batman. I did not care for that story. I did

not care for the storytelling of that. I prefer

seeing the man in the suit for the movie. You

know, sure, you can have him out of the suit

as Bruce Wayne and have him doing certain things.

I just felt that... The first half of the movie

for me just drags on and on and on and on and

on it's like People always complain about the

Dark Knight rises of oh, how did he get? How

did he get from the top of the cave all the way

back to Gotham? Well, you know How the hell did

he? Go away for eight years nine or whatever

however the hell many years he was gone and People

realized he was gone and then oh, hey, he's back

and blah blah I don't know I and the other thing

that I don't like about the movie is fucking

Katie Holmes Come on. Give me a break. They could

have find a found a better actress to play that

role Well, I know they could have got Arnold

Schwarzenegger to play the character. I know

Anyways talk about Batman begins, you know why

it deserves to be in the top ten. I unlike Mike

I I love the first half of that movie. I love

it how it does tell batman's origin and I do

agree batman master the phantasm does do a great

job of telling it as well, but Regarding, you

know live action. It was the first time it was

ever done for live action at that point people

just kind of assumed and it kind of expanded

upon that and liked how it kind of Added some

of the mythos of batman. I love liam neeson as

you know that character I I'd love that relationship

between those two and the, you know, the the

mentor versus the trainee and how that evolves.

It is very different compared to the other Batman

movies. Actually, I guess you would say Batman

and Batman Begins and Batman and The Dark Knight

Rises are more connected and Dark Knight is kind

of, you know, it's on world. But I know I also

just think it kind of. Similar to what X -Men

First Class did for X -Men, Batman Begins did

for Batman. It showed it kind of made up for

the gigantic mess that was Batman and Robin that

nearly killed the character for movies and showed

that, yeah, you can actually make this character

right and do it a darker, grittier, more realistic

version of it. And I was very happy with Batman

Begins. Think to it's getting our list back to

you know what we're talking about before with

it with it with films that were Unique and had

an impact and really changed the genre You know,

we talked about that a little bit with Superman.

We talked about that with Batman 1989 I think

this is probably one of the top, you know three

to five most Important films so far in the genre

because it completely flipped the script and

then kind of ushered in a new era of superhero

films. We were talking about with Tim Burton,

even he was like, this is what I wish I could

have done back in the day. This is how a superhero

comic book film should be made. And I think you

can't ignore, like Steve has said a lot of times,

the initial chapter here in this. Trilogy or

in this set of films, you know with a you know,

he talked about with Superman with the Superman

films or you know Iron Man with Iron Man films,

etc, you know Batman Begins definitely has an

important place in the genre's history, I guess

Steve what do you think about Batman Begins coming

in here? I like the new reintroduction. I like

the fact that they use scarecrow as a villain

instead of trying to retread previous films.

I liked the new Batsuit to an extent I didn't

really like until it went Dark Knight. It was

an interesting new take on the Batman mythos

and it made it a lot more serious without making

it as hokey dark as a Tim Burton film. True.

Anybody else on Batman Begins before we move

on to number two? No, all right, then number

two on our film Again appeared on six people's

list. Mr. Wilson left it off. It's 2008 Iron

Man I had it ranked number three Steve at rank

number two Mike you had it in your top ten Dan

you had it in your top ten JT had it and right

at the end of it. I think number ten Dot -edit

number two Mr. Wilson left it off his list completely

Six yeah, so thoughts on Iron Man coming in at

number two from 2008 here. Let's start with Mike

Iron Man was again one of those movies that nobody

ever thought would get made Iron Man For me was

the 94 cartoon series as bad as that first season

isn't as cool as the second season is that show

I hadn't read a lot of Iron Man comics before

and I remember hearing at the time that, and

even nowadays people have said at the time, well

Iron Man wasn't that popular in the comics. They

were gonna do away with him or they were gonna

do something with him or whatever. But then John

Favreau, Foggy Nelson of all people, Foggy Nelson

is the character he plays in Daredevil, comes

in and directs Iron Man and... makes you believe

in a man in an iron suit, really. I mean, it's

one of those things where this was a film that

really catapulted Robert Downey Jr. back into

stardom. And it's just an amazing, amazing film.

The story is great. It hints at the Ten Rings

thing with Mandarin, but it doesn't actually

directly say anything about the Mandarin. The

fact that they got the dude and Flynn, you know,

they got Jeff Bridges to actually shave, he wanted

to shave his head for this film to play Obadiah

Stane and he did. You know, him playing Obadiah

Stane was just ingenious. Overall, Iron Man is

a damn good film. I just absolutely loved it,

so. Steve, you got it ranked number two. That's

where it came in on our list. How do you feel

about that? I can't argue with it. I really like

the film. I'd never been a really big Iron Man

fan until this film. I think Robert Downey Jr.

nailed the part right on the head. I really liked

the suit once they got into it. Just overall,

the whole film was just awesome. It gave me hope

for the future of the Marvel Cinema Universe.

Yeah, this was not one of the films that I saw

right away. I didn't see it in I don't remember

seeing it in the theater I don't even think I

saw it right away when it came out until somebody

else was watching because I just I didn't really

know much about Iron Man as kind of was in that

same realm as Incredible Hulk and a few other

things for me and then I finally was exposed

to it And then I was like just kind of opened

my eyes to the whole like you said the whole

Marvel universe Outside of spider -man and what

I'd seen X -Men I was like wow This is this is

a really good film and definitely set the stage

for not just the franchise but For Marvel in

general and what their plans were. I mean if

Iron Man isn't successful That has a major impact

on the whole superhero genre So it being successful

Was very important Dan. What do you think about

Iron Man? I'm surprised. It's up. I guess I'm

not that surprised. It's up this hike is it?

I think the success of Iron Man in a lot of ways

led to the Avengers happening. I know it was

probably planned before that, but it kind of

really sets a strong foundation for that entire

Marvel Cinematic Universe. And I think what's

interesting about Iron Man is how Robert Downey

Jr. is one of the few superheroes that's actually

probably more interesting when he's out of the

uniform than when he's in it. Great some of those

sequences are just of him in the garage making

the the suit Those to me some of my favorite

parts of that movie. Just seeing him kind of

tinkle the tinkle in that sorry Tinker with his

toys and the I love all the comedy in that especially

with all those little robot arms and I thought

those are great Special effects are great. I

know a lot of people argue There's not much action

in it and I can kind of see that the ending just

kind of does feel a little tacked on But everything

up to that is deserving. I talked about earlier

with Iron Man 3, I think this is really the character

development of Iron Man. And this is the best

Robert Downey Jr. performance of the character.

And I think Downey Jr. even said it himself that

this was the best thing. He did it because it

was new for him. It was something he was embracing.

It was something he had to go completely in on.

And I think he... sold this movie and Marvel

owes him a great debt maybe not necessarily financially

because he's getting paid a lot but he made this

movie work and I don't think Iron Man would work

without him I think just the character development

of seeing that young cocky money -first attitude

and transformed and developed into something

else and how it's correlates with, you know,

the life of Donnie Jr. and in his real life and

how he had to deal with his own real -life baggage

and how that kind of came into the movie. I think

that was brilliantly handled. So, yeah, I'm happy

it's here. I really can't deny the greatness

of Iron Man, and I'm glad it beat out the other

Iron Man films. All right. Technical difficulties.

Let's move on, shall we? All right. So number

one on our top ten. superhero films We have the

Dark Knight With 130 points. It's blowing everything

else away was 32 ahead of Iron Man and all seven

people voted on it the first time that's happened

since we talked about Batman 1989 and Tied with

Dark Knight. I mentioned there was two ties is

the Avengers also on seven people's lists Avengers

was a top choice for myself Steve and Mr. Wilson.

And Dark Knight was the top choice for Dan and

Birdman Dodd. And everybody else had all these

kind of near the top. It was just kind of who

had it higher than who. The lowest that anybody

had either of these films was Birdman had Avengers

at number six. JT had Dark Knight at number five

on his list. Everybody else had them within the

top three or four. So who wants to start with

either Dark Knight or the Avengers? Mike, go

ahead. I love how you ask the question and just

throw it to me. Dark Knight is easily my favorite

out of the Nolan trilogy. I know everybody says,

oh, Heath Ledger, he can't hold a candle to Jack

Nicholson, but Heath Ledger... poured himself

into that role of the Joker. I mean, he is, I

guess, technically you could almost say he's

the new 52 Joker, but it was just amazing to

see his growth. If you had seen where he debuted

here in America in 10 Things I Hate About You

is Patrick Verona. Looking at that role and then

looking at the Joker, how his acting had changed

over nearly 10 years. um just just amazing the

action in dark knight was awesome the fact that

bruce was in the suit the majority of the time

and we didn't need 45 minutes to an hour of origin

crap like in begins uh dark knight overall just

an absolute masterpiece of a movie avengers same

thing but um Dan, what are your thoughts on Dark

Knight? Before you go, just so everyone knows

kind of how we stand, I kind of went over it

a little bit, but there was one, two, three,

four people that had Avengers higher than Dark

Knight. And three people that had Dark Knight

higher than Avengers. But it was all very close.

Most of them were just one spot away. Dan, I

know you had Dark Knight higher. How do you feel

about them tying? Ties, it's like, you know,

kissing your sister as they say. For me, the

reason I went with Dark Knight is because it's

over the Avengers. Avengers was my number two,

Dark Knight my number one. There are very two

different ways of doing a comic book movie. and

they're both successful at what they try to attempt,

very successful. The reason I went with Dark

Knight is because I feel like it transcends the

genre. It pushes the genre forward to a point

it has yet to even come close to since then.

If you were to kind of show that comic book movies

can be just as good as any other genre, just

as critically acclaimed, just as cinematic, just

as incredible, as deep as any other... film is

worthy of awards or Academy if you're going to

say what one deserves to be Best Picture, I think

that to me would go to Dark Knight. And you look

at Dark Knight, you could even credit it for

changing the Oscars because after that it ended

up going to 10 films a year, in large part because

of the outrage that it didn't get a nomination.

And if Dark Knight came out a few years later

with 10 nominations, there's no doubt it would

be. Avengers is a lot of fun. It's one of the

best experiences I've ever had in a theater seeing

that with a crowd It was just it was like a sports

like atmosphere Dark Knight was a little bit

different and it was it was lingering it was

stayed with me So that's why it's it's it's cut.

It's very hard choice, but that's the reason

I went with Dark Knight over I probably like

Dark Knight pulled more at my at my emotions

important, you know pulled more at my heart,

I guess a little bit had probably a a more, I

don't want to say deep impact, but it had more

of an impact on me when I watched it. But I did

rate Avengers higher, and my reasoning for that

was basically, it kind of depends on what day

of the week or what week we're in. One day I'll

probably say Dark Nights better, one day I'll

probably say Avengers better, and I kind of go

back and forth. Just depends on my mood. But

when I was making the list for this particular

venture, what... made me put Avengers higher

was more so how it brought everything that had

led up to that and delivered a big payoff. There

was so much potential for disaster with this

film. With all the different films leading up

to it and eventually climax with this film, this

film could have destroyed everything. This film

could have just... You know done awful things

for for all these franchises if it was just hokey

or if it was cheesy or if nobody bought into

it and Just watching this. I just left the theater

like Happy that they seemingly did everything

right. They balanced all these different personalities

all these different characters. They proved that

it can be done the action was good, the comedy

was good, and it was more so of the bigger picture

of all these different films leading up to it

that made me kind of put it a little bit apart.

It was something that we had never seen before

with this many superheroes, major superheroes

sharing screen time. So that kind of edged it

out for me on that one. But I totally agree with

what you're saying about the cinematic experience

with Dark Knight. Steve, you had Avengers number

one. What do you think? For me, it was kind of

a toss -up, but the only reason I gave Avengers

my number one slot and I had Dark Knight a little

bit further down was because to me, I think that

the dynamic and the way that the film meshed

and just the feel of it, it was not only more

fun and action -packed, but it was just... There

was more of that film that was memorable. The

Dark Knight, while it did... tug at me for being

a Batman film and everything and for having the

Joker versus Batman and all this cool stuff in

the film. I still think Avengers was more of

a superior film than The Dark Knight, which honestly

kills me because I love Batman way more than

I love any Marvel property. But for me, I think

Iron Man kind of That and the the way that the

entire Avengers film was pulled off kind of Stole

the show for me Dan I want to ask you a question

real quick Is it do we have it right though as

far as are these two films on an island away

from the rest of the pack? I Definitely think

so. I think they represent the what you can do

with a comic book movie. You have Avengers, which

is the epitome of a huge blockbuster, summer

popcorn film. Yeah, there are deep memos, but

it's really just, it benefits, its biggest positive

aspect is its sheer ability to entertain. When,

with Dark Knight, it's like the polar opposite

in a way where it's more... Cynical it's kind

of it kind of is darker. It's the tone is a little

more gritty So I do think when you think of comic

book movies I think these are always gonna be

number one and number two you can switch them

back and forth They're always gonna be that argument

of which one's better. So I I think like you

said We could do this poll a few weeks from now

and we could still Wind up with a tie We can

add in more people. It's always going to be this

close with these two and I don't really see another

movie coming in unless like Avengers 2 can top

it or maybe Superman and Batman of that can top

it but I think these will kind of hold the candle

for the comic book industry with movies for a

long time. Mike, what do you think? Are these

two heads and shoulders above everything else

or do other films deserve to be in the same breath?

I still say, at least for me personally, Iron

Man 3 is the evolution of the Tony Stark character

over four films, Iron Man 1, 2, Avengers, and

then the third film. I still would probably watch

Iron Man 3 more times than I would watch Dark

Knight or Avengers, just because I love the movie

that much. As far as Avengers and Dark Knight

together as a tie, I mean, Dan set it perfectly.

One is, you know, Marvel has that way of fitting

in the comedy into the seriousness. Neither one

had ever been nothing like either one had been

done before Oh, no. Oh, no, there's no way there's

no way in hell either movie could have done been

done either five years or ten years before they

were actually You know in 2003 Dark Knight couldn't

have been done technology. Just wasn't there

Yeah, but I'm just saying even if it could or

couldn't like nobody had ever pulled off that

serious that dark. Yeah You know style of a comic

book movie nor had anyone ever pulled off what

Avengers did with All the movies leading up to

it all the different characters, etc. And then

do a success with though They're they're two

unique films in that respect. Oh, yeah, most

definitely and that they both have their their

ups and downs You know there there are times

in the dark night where I get Because I've seen

it so many times where I'm getting like, okay,

let's let's kind of get going here with Avengers

it's just I think the beginning a little bit

drags for me now after seeing it so many times

like that whole opening scene with the tesseract

and the evacuation and all that but after that

it's Bing Bam Boom you know all the little uh

nods to the different sayings and whatever else

like Cap saying you know and oh and Hulk smash

and you just see Ruffalo's face in the Hulk suit

just just that snicker and it's it's just it

that they're both very awesome movies in in their

own respect and yeah they do probably deserve

to be a tie and like like Dan said no matter

how many if we added we had seven total lists

overall right if we added 13 people and made

it 20 lists I guarantee you it would probably

still come down to these two for the number one

tie Yeah, and we'll get more thoughts here overall

as I just want to re reveal the list now again

We had book and ties we had ties for the last

spot and ties for the first spot So going through

the list here. We had x -men first class 1989

Batman Superman Superman 2 Iron Man 3 Spider

-Man 2 Captain America Batman Begins Iron Man

Dark Knight and the Avengers so looking at that

list overall Also, I'd like to note that for

one of the first times I haven't gone back through

and checked every list But I know a lot of these

lists we've had a heavy 80s influence So for

once we have domination from different decades.

We had four from this current decade that we're

on four from the first decade of the 2000s Two

from 80s and one from the 70s. So yeah, we changed

our decade influence a little bit here But looking

at the list overall, is there anything that we

should take out Dan? I don't know about take

out. It would be kind of nice to see a little

bit more variety Maybe taking out a Superman

and maybe taking out an Iron Man and replacing

it with something else What you would replace

it with that's probably a good question. There's

a lot of things that could kind of go in there

But overall I think there's nothing on our list

that is all that Shocking or anything that I

disagree with all that much probably the most

is Iron Man 3 just because I feel it's I don't

I don't feel strongly about it as I do with the

other ones in the top ten. But I think we have

a good variety of Marvel and DC. Like you said,

different decades. We have everything from Superman,

which is really the first superhero movie, to

the Avengers. So I think it's a decent variety.

But I just, of decades, I just would wish there

was a little bit more variety of characters.

But it's kind of usually the best characters

make the best movies, so that's why you probably

see a lot repeating. Mike, anything you'd add

or take out? No, and taking out Iron Man 3 wouldn't

make any difference because I would rather take

out First Class than take out Iron Man 3 and

put anything in that place. Not that I dislike

First Class, but like putting a TMNT in there

or something like that. Looking back at the honorable

mentions list, I mean, there are so many that

are just not worthy of a top 10. Well, go ahead

wait wait one second Dan mentioned that you know,

he wishes that there was more of a Decade gap.

No, no isn't variety of characters, right? Okay

variety of characters, but the problem is until

the 2000s You had Superman and Batman and everybody

even though I defend Batman forever Pretty much

everybody on this planet hates Batman Forever

and Batman and Robin. Everybody hates Superman

3 and 4. So up until the 2000s, you didn't have

a variety of characters, you know. That's true.

I mean, if we're going to expand this beyond

feature film and break into like made for TV

movie or something like that, sure, you could

count the 1940s Captain America and Batman stuff

and 60s Batman and whatever else, but... before

X -Men, really, I mean, I guess you can count

Blade in 98, but before X -Men in 2000, it was

Batman and Superman for 30 years. Yeah, I understand

that, but I think since then, it's been an explosion.

I think there are more out there now. I mean,

you even talked about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

That would be great to see on here. Even arguably

Hellboy, I could think that. At least a second

one maybe was deserving. I know you guys aren't

a big fan, but I do enjoy kick -ass There's a

you know, a few others. I mean, yes, there's

not a huge variety like you mentioned there hasn't

been between 1970, you know when in the 1970s

since Superman came out and till expen hit it

big there wasn't that huge amount of you know

We're not gonna vote for steel, you know, there's

not a great amount or 1994 is fantastic for obviously

those movies were horrible, but I You make a

good point. So hopefully now we'll see now with

movies like Ant -Man coming out and some of these

even smaller characters Hopefully like that's

what we should do for the next top 10 GCR stuff

the next 10 episodes We should get the 10 worst

films from each of these genres I find it interesting

that you pointed out Iron Man 3 Because I'd like

to reiterate that that was the only film in our

countdown that was voted on by less than five

people Only four people voted for Iron Man 3

So if we're looking at the honorable mention

list and just trying to get films, you know that

were voted on by more people We had amazing spider

-man was voted on by more people the original

x -men the crow and TMNT. So those were all voted

on more people's lists. So Iron Man 3 was the

least voted on movie, but it did make it solidly

on our list. Steve, anything you would take out

or add in? Honestly, I think that the list was

pretty sufficient, actually. I think it's a good

job. I think it shows a good variety. And I asked

you guys all at the beginning which franchise

would have the most appearances, and unanimously

you guys said Batman. And you were all right.

There's three Batman films on there, which is

more than any other franchise. Iron Man had two,

Superman had two. So spider -man didn't have

any spider -man had one spider -man and yeah,

okay spider -man two. Yeah, that's that's right

So yeah Batman reigns supreme I guess with the

three entries on the list Thank goodness the

mic didn't get his way with Batman forever or

Batman and Robin Hi Yeah, Steve injected Joker

toxin into everybody so Batman would win Any

other final thoughts on our superhero category

overall Dan No, I think like you mentioned I

had a little things here and there, but I think

it's a relatively solid list and I think unlike

the other franchises There wasn't that much debate

on what qualifies and what doesn't so I think

that made it a little bit easier in making your

decision so Mike final thoughts on superheroes

No, I think the list is is damn good. I'm interested

to see what Marvel does with phase two. I'm super

interested To see what DC's got coming up next

and We'll just go from there Steve I Think pretty

sufficient and I can't wait to see what else

comes up in the future Yeah, this is definitely

out of all the all the genres that we looked

at This is the one that will change the most

over the next five or ten years I think Oh, yeah,

there will be other films that come out that

would break into some of these other genres that

we've talked about But nothing is evolving faster

right now in my mind than the superhero genre

So this is one that would be real interesting

to see what it looks like 3d three years from

now five years from now, etc All right, well

that's gonna do it for our top 10 film countdowns

Geek cast radio is going to be taking a somewhat

slight hiatus break between July and late September,

early October, so we can prepare for the top

100 animated films countdown that we've got coming

up. For now, I am TF2 on Mike with... We will

catch you next time. Unleash the geek in you.

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