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We'll be cutting down GCR ins top 10 sci -fi
films drop the honorable mentions Kev and before
I do obviously Like we've talked about in a few
other lists sci -fi maybe more than any other
one besides superheroes we're going to be dealing
with a lot of different franchises so that issue
that we brought up with a long time ago I think
in the action films may come into play here as
we do have some franchises that had multiple
multiple films and it was interesting to see
the votes split amongst everyone's favorite within
those franchises that being said you guys can
take a look at the honorable mention and while
you do Look for a couple things here. We'll look
for what franchise is most represented. We'll
look for what decade what time is most represented
Wow, those are some of those are bullshit One
thing you do got to realize is there's so many
good sci -fi films This is something I figured
out when I was doing my rankings that it was
really hard for me to narrow it down to top 20
But there's only ten spots so you got to hold
back hold back your Pleasure or your disdain
until we actually see what is in the actual top
ten I will say though that it is probably the
most There's a ton of films that got votes 62
some 62 films got voted on and Honestly, there
was only two three four five six seven eight
nine 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. Only 17
films made it onto half of our list. So there
was not a lot of agreement here in the sci -fi
list. There was only 17 films that got voted
on by at least half of the panel out of 62. So
it was definitely a split crowd. There was only
eight films that were on four of the six people's
panels. There was only so I mean it was definitely
a big split I will say that it was very close
towards the top as far as making the list If
you see there the top honorable mention had had
36 points in our qualifying point system As did
ours the two that were the closest both had 36
Well, let me tell you that the number fifth movie
on our list had 39 So we went from 36 points
not making the list to 39 points getting you
in the top five So that's how close this Voting
was and you can see that there was 1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 and 9 honorable mentions that were all
in the 30s So just trying to paint the picture
here before we start dissecting the honorable
mentions Mike. I think I heard your your noises
first I'm sorry not having at least Tron the
the first Tron in the top ten even at number
ten is just blasphemy that movie did a whole
bunch of Awesome things for the industry and
it was a damn good story I'm one of those people
that love the sequel some people like it some
people don't whatever some people are middle
ground But I'm one of those people that I love
the sequel and I'm waiting for them to make another
one The unfortunate part with that though, with
the first one, is it's so badly dated because
of time that it's very hard to hold up into that
entire standard. It depends on who you ask, I
guess. I guess you just have to be a part of
that generation that grew up with it. Well, I
did too, but it's so badly dated it's hard to
take it seriously. Well, see the thing for me
is, with Tron specifically, is that... I didn't
see it until 2011. Like it came out when I was
two. I had heard of it here and there when I
was younger but I never actually saw it until
the sequel came out. I went on, at the time,
YouTube and watched it there and I was just blown
away. I mean, sure it's dated a little bit but
that's, you know, for me it's not as badly dated
as some other stuff in geek history. So for other
stuff... Let's see here. I can see Bicentennial
Man not making it. Even though it's a Robin Williams
film, it's a damn good film. I can see why it
wouldn't make it. I can't believe Fifth Element
didn't make it. That's kind of crazy. Neither
the original Wrath or the Re -Wrath didn't make
it. That's funny. Well, the first one's kind
of blasphemed me that it's not in there. The
second one, there were so many plot holes that
I could see why it's not. I'm surprised not more
people voted for Johnny 5. I love that movie
But yeah, I don't know what else is actually
gonna be on the list here because I Swear I hope
to God Robocop 2 & 3 did not make the top 10
if Robocop 1 didn't even make it if 2 & 3 are
on here people are really gonna come after us
with Pitchforks and torches We'll try not to
spoil as much as we can as far as if we have
ideas of what's in the top 10 I'm shocked that
a couple obviously you guys can't see the number
of people who voted on each thing I'm a little
shocked at a couple films that only get had only
appeared on one out of the six lists Starting
with the couple that I voted for I'm very Shocked
that that avatar is only that I'm the only one
that voted for avatar. Yeah I understand that
a lot of you it's a love -hate thing and either
people love it or hate it but I'd rather sit
through six hours of Titanic than watch Avatar.
I beg to differ So I was very shocked that Avatar
only got made it on one person's list. I'm beyond
shocked that I Am the only one that voted for
any of the Mad Max films Mad Max is just like
it gets good reviews like all all the Mad Max
movies seem to get good reviews everywhere you
look and and Think they're pretty pretty epics
in the science fiction genre, but I went with
Mad Max to the road warrior But that was I was
the only person person I voted for any of the
Mad Max films Only one person voted for 2001
a space odyssey I was the only one that voted
for the newer the newest Planet of the Apes reboot
whatever you want to call it only one person
voted for inception only one person voted for
total recall only one person for Super eight
just a couple interesting things. I thought they
might appear in a few more lists Dan. What are
your some of your thoughts? Well, I see my number
one is the first film I think we're the closest
one to make it that didn't which is alien I Love
alien. I just I I could see I think that might
be fell victim to the whole franchise aspect
because I know a lot of people prefer Aliens
over Alien and I could see that Aliens is a great
movie which also made my list but Alien I just
prefer a little more I think for most I just
think it's it's a perfect movie it's so well
edited it's Ridley Scott like directed the hell
out of that movie we Steve mentioned it already
but Star Trek 2 not making it I that is that
to me really shocks me. That was a game changer
for the entire franchise. Yeah. I mean, when
you hear like we talked about what movies people
think are best in the franchise or some franchises,
it's all over the place. But with Star Trek,
it's pretty unanimous from what I can hear from
the Star Trek community. Maybe I don't. Maybe
I'm wrong. But it seems when people talk about
Star Trek, that's the first one they talk about.
So it's interesting because three of our number
one picks are already out. Mike already mentioned
Tron Legacy, which was one point away from making
the list. Your Alien was one point away from
making the list. And the one that he just mentioned,
JT's number one, Wrath of Khan, fell half a dozen
points short. Interesting though, in Alien only
two people voted for Alien. Only two people voted
for Tron Legacy. And myself, BT, and Dan were
the only ones that voted for Wrath of Khan. So...
That's what I'm saying. It's just a really split
crowd It was really hard to make this list now
keep going with your other thoughts Dan And we
talked about the reboot of Planet of the Apes.
I also voted for the original Planet of the Apes
I know what's like most of these lists we've
been going through the 1970s rule But I think
we kind of bend it a little bit with science
fiction because you're a few in the late 60s
like Planet of the Apes and 2001 Space Odyssey,
which was number two on my list, so my first
one and two both didn't make it. I get Space
Odyssey because it's an odd film. It's not for
everyone. Kubrick, we talked about this a little
bit with Full Metal Jacket. He makes movies that
are decisive. But 2001 Space Odyssey, I think
is, you know, it's an icon in the science fiction
world You talked about Mad Max. I honestly didn't
vote for it I guess it's similar to the fantasy
aspect when I think Road Warrior, I think action
So maybe when I was thinking when making my list,
it just didn't come to my mind Makes sense Clockward
Orange, I didn't vote for that but that's Again,
I went with 2001 but that's another great science
fiction film Children of Men and the one I voted
for maybe not enough people saw it. A really
underrated film, I think, is the original Solaris
from the 70s. It's an odd movie, but it's Predator.
Again, that's kind of surpri - not as surprising,
but again, I guess that's more action than science
fiction. It's hard. Like, with all these lists,
it's - you have those movies that really ride
the line. And another one real quick. is Moon,
which is a movie I love. I didn't expect it to
make the list, but I love Moon. It's one of the
better science fiction films of the last decade.
I was real close to putting that on my list.
I do like Moon. I don't share your love for 2001
Space Odyssey, but I do think Moon was a real
good film. It's the movie that Tom Cruise's movie
from earlier this year tried to be. I can't remember
the name of it. Oblivion. Oblivion, yeah. Moon
is the movie that Oblivion tried to be. Oh, and
I should mention Escape from New York. Again,
it's another dystopian future film, so maybe
people don't think it necessarily a science fiction,
because it's kind of, it's more gritty, you don't
really have many science fiction aspects to it
beyond a few things. But yeah, that's what really
caught my eye. I will say that one franchise
that's definitely well represented in our honorable
mentions And I'm not saying this as a bad thing
because it's good that I got so many different
films got voted on But maybe one that comes to
my mind right away when we talk about that franchise
Jinx as far as having so many films and splitting
the vote a little There's five Star Trek films
in our honorable mention list first contact the
the latest Star Trek that came out this which
interestingly tied Wrath of Khan. And then we
had Star Trek 6, Star Trek 7, so five different
Star Trek films in the honorable mentions. That's
by far the most represented franchise in the
honorable mention list. Steve, what are some
of the ones that caught your eye? Tron Legacy,
for instance. I felt that that was a really good
film. Of course, many of the Star Trek films,
I'm kind of sad to say, aren't in the list. Each
one's good with different reasonings. I'm sad
to see that Back to the Future is not in there,
as that was another great film. Well, just two
and three are on the honorable mentions one isn't
so it's somewhere in the countdown I Thought
I saw Maybe I misread that yeah, there's two
so yeah, maybe one's already in there but uh
Then total recall I can kind of see that it's
in there because it's kind of dated and the new
one is kind of different I don't know some of
the other ones I can kind of agree that they
kind of believe belong in the honorable mentions
But yeah I and I do see where Star Trek and Star
Wars for instance would have a split boat because
there's so many films in the franchise that it
kind of is counterintuitive to itself Revenge
of the Sith and new hope did not make it I hope
to God I'm looking for Phantom of the Menace
to make it to the top. Watch, you're gonna have
Phantom of the Menace and you're gonna have Return
of the Jedi. Ewoks! Interesting to see a couple
that caught my eye. We mentioned RoboCop. The
original Terminator is not in there. Some newer
ones that I kind of appreciate that didn't get
as much love I didn't vote for it, but in time
I think is a good sci -fi film that might in
time ha ha grow on us here as far as the sci
-fi genre I like that one. Yeah, I like that
movie. It was a it was a damn good movie it just
when I The problem with the sci -fi genre is
that? Honestly a lot of stuff can be classified
under it well that and What's the first thing
any of us thinks of when we hear sci -fi? Most
of us at least out of this girl out of three
of three three out of the four of us We're either
gonna think Star Trek or Star Wars space Yeah,
exactly. I'm not gonna think what You know we're
gonna think of Star Trek and Star Wars because
those are the two biggest sci -fi franchises
that we have yeah, and there are a multiple Star
Trek has 12, Star Wars has 6, going on 7. By
2020 it'll have 13 films. So a lot of these other
ones, I could have thrown in there The Impostor,
I don't think it would have gotten any votes.
But that was another good kind of sci -fi -ish
type movie, clone alien type deal. Stuff like
Predator, I always thought that was a horror
movie. Like, I've seen the previews for it, but
it's like, from when I saw previews as a kid,
I was like, you know, I'm not watching that.
I honestly always thought that was a horror film.
Total Recall, the only thing I know of Total
Recall is Charlie Sheen making fun of it in hot
shots. You know, it's like some of these movies
I know their names and I know of them But I've
never seen them. So again as I've said in the
last, you know since episode 41 If I haven't
seen a movie, it's not going on my list some
other newer ones that maybe what time might You
know climb the rankings a little bit. I think
maybe would be Super 8 inception District 9 possibly
some of those I think dude did do well as far
as a modern sci -fi film. I just think it's really
hard to go up against some of the more iconic
ones that have just been around for so long.
The last one I'll mention before I let Dan talk
again here. Kind of sad to see both the original
Planet of the Apes and the newest Planet of the
Apes reboot not, because I would think if any
of them from that franchise were going to make
it, it would be one of those two. So to me that
signals, you know, that Planet of the Apes might
be left off and that to me is somewhat sad because
I think that's an iconic sci -fi franchise But
go ahead Dan. We're talking about new movies.
I think loopers around the same one I didn't
go for it either, but that could also be getting
some traction it's kind of interesting that two
movies that are in our top 10 district 9 and
Children of men both have directors are making
science fiction films this year to they're coming
out. So I think Both of them only directed one
movie up to this point, which is kind of interesting.
And another one that kind of caught my eye was
that you talked about, which was Pitch Black,
which I didn't vote for, but I think it's a nice
little film. It's interesting. And Mike, you're
talking about not seeing Total Recall. I do find
it interesting that you haven't seen Total Recall,
but I've seen The Imposter, which is because
they're both Philip K. Dick movies. Which is
kind of, it's odd. We're learning a lot about
your history of movie -watching. I'll say this
is like, okay, but Impostor came along at a time
where, and again, I've said this before, I will
defend my philosophy on trailers till I die.
If a trailer catches me and interests me, I will
see the film. Total Recall specifically, I was
probably too young. But with Impostor, first
of all, I believe, without looking it up, and
I will in a minute, I believe it came after Forrest
Gump's or anything Gary Sinise did after Lieutenant
Dan I was interested in at the time. You know,
so it was just one of those ones. And again,
you know, stuff like iRobot. I thought that was
a really, really cool robotic sci -fi type of
film. Again, I will state for the record that
I think that this list is going to be blasphemy
if any of these horrible sequels end up on, uh...
On the top ten like Robocop two and three I see
that close encounters didn't make it But I'm
curious if we all see Spielberg's name on the
top ten at all because he you know, he's has
a lot of science fiction films, but Curious if
anyone made them because we've talked about ET
already and a few others So curious like what
directors are gonna dominate or if there will
be any directors that will dominate the top ten
Like we like we saw with the fantasy list. Yeah
and the gangster one as well Alright, who else
has any thoughts before we move into our number
ten listing? Anybody? Bueller? Bueller? We'll
get into the top ten after this. You wanted to
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you bitch! Hey, we got a chance. Tell me. What
about all that talk? About screwing up future
events? Does space -time continue on? Well, I
figured. What the hell? Alright, so let's kick
this off here at Top 10 Sci -Fi Films of All
Time as chosen by the Geekcast Radio Network.
Starting off with number 10, we're going to the
year 1984, and our number 10 film selection is
Ghostbusters. Comedy slash supernatural slash
sci -fi whatever you want to call it. Dan Aykroyd,
Bill Murray, Harold Ramis. Ghostbusters coming
in at number 10. It was voted on by four out
of the six of us One point away from not making
the list at all Steve and and JT I believe are
the only ones that did not vote for Ghostbusters
So we'll let Mike or Dan Mike you had it the
highest I think out of anybody You had it at
your number five pick. So, how do you feel about
Ghostbusters here? Oh, I love Ghostbusters. It's
one of those classic movies that Anytime you
go back to it, you can pretty much follow along
with the movie and say every line. It's just
one of those movies that you can always watch.
I'm not saying always as in every single day
of the year, but every six to nine months, at
least once a year, at Halloween maybe. It's just
one of those films that is completely watchable,
and those characters... Winston and and Venkman
and Egon and You know all those guys and Ray
and just the the characters that they have to
deal with like that idiot at the mayor's office
and the mayor himself and it's just an amazing
amazing thing and the effects are great and It's
just a great great film. I do think it was interesting
Obviously a lot of people probably associate
it more as a comedy than a sci -fi film I was
a little surprised because we saw so many comedies
not make the list. We saw, you know, in the Honorable
Mentions stuff like the Men in Black films were
in the Honorable Mentions, you know, stuff like
that. So I was wondering kind of how the comedies
as far as sci -fi would go. We saw Ghostbusters
2 in Honorable Mentions, so some of those. So
I do think it's cool that... So far, at least
we do have one of the sci -fi slash comedy films
making the list here. I associate it more as
sci -fi, but I know most people associate it
more comedy. Dan, you also had this on your list
in your 10 through 20 section. How do you feel
about Ghostbusters being number 10? I'm actually
kind of surprised it made it, mostly because
it has that genre -bending element where, like
you mentioned, that's... It's comedy, it's a
little bit of horror, a little bit of fantasy.
So I wasn't sure if people would vote for it,
because usually with these lists we've seen those
films that aren't distinctively one category
sometimes get left off. But I'm glad it made
a list. someplace within our top tens. Some may
argue that it should be in comedy, which I can't
argue against. It's a hilarious film. It belongs
there, but I guess you can say it equally belongs
in science fiction someplace. I think two Ghostbusters
is a great example of Bill Murray being Bill
Murray. There are so many lines in that movie
that on paper may not be hilarious, but the way
he says them just make them funny. you know,
there's a moment when they're walking through
the library and he sees a stack of books and
Egon's like, oh, I don't know the word for word,
but he said something like, oh, a ghost definitely
made those books. And he's like, yeah, of course,
that's what a ghost would only stack books that
way. I'm brutalizing. I have horrible at quotes.
I'm not that type of person. But anyways, more
importantly, Bill Murray rocks that movie. The
characters in general have great chemistry and
hopefully having it in our top 10 can finally,
you know. boost Ghostbusters 3 to enough popularity
that it finally gets made so we can stop hearing
about it. No doubt. But yeah, so a little bit
surprised, but no argument for me. Steve, your
reaction on Ghostbusters? I like the film, but
it's not one that I can sit there and really
enjoy as much as I get older. I just have a hard
time sitting through it. Also have the more I
watch stuff with Bill Murray the less I like
him I like his 80s stuff, but beyond that I don't
really care for the guy So I'm sure that's gonna
get all kinds of blasphemy and hate but I just
I don't see it so Everybody loves what about
Bob For sure. I don't know. I think as a franchise
I'm not upset that Ghostbusters is represented
here on the sci -fi list. I did vote it on my
list. I think I had it like 16th or something
like that. So I am surprised it did make the
list. I was thinking that the sci -fi would,
as a genre, lose all our comedies and anything
that was more lighthearted and be left with more
of the serious sci -fi stuff. So I'm kind of
surprised that it's there, but I'm not upset
that it's there. So that is our number 10 selection
moving on to our number 9 selection. We were
in 1984 We're gonna go back a year to 1983 And
our number 9 film on the list is Star Wars Return
of the Jedi not revenge return of the Jedi It
was revenge originally So yeah, we have a Star
Wars entry on our list here, Return of the Jedi
coming in at number nine. Interestingly though,
it is tied with one other film as the films in
our top 10 that had the least number of people
actually vote for it. Mike, it was just you and
me. We were the only two that put Return of the
Jedi in a top 20 list of sci -fi films. I've
said it before and I'll say it again. Revenge
of the Sith and Return of the Jedi for me, continuity
wise, are the two best Star Wars films. Are they
the best overall as far as enjoyment and effects
and story? No, by no means at all. Empire Strikes
Back is probably the best one out of them all,
but if you're looking at continuation of story
and what drives the story and how events occur
and happen... Revenge of the Sith and Return
of the Jedi are the two best ones, in my opinion.
So you basically like the closing chapter? I
like the closure of it, yes, pretty much. Well
that makes sense. I know a lot of people that
think the same way. I'm sorry, I was just curious
what you exactly... With Jedi, Empire, and I'm
sure we'll get to it, but Empire shows the darkness,
the middle ground, the middle part of the story.
Jedi, no matter what happens, however they approach
Episode 7, whatever that'll be... in a couple
years. Jedi was the closing chapter. Jedi was
the end of the book. And it had an amazing story
to it. It had a continuation of the love story
with Han and Leia. It had Luke finally coming
into his own as a Jedi. It had R2 shooting lightsabers
out of his helmet. You know, it was just awesome.
And I don't care what anybody says, I love that
speeder bike race. through the forest of Endor.
I love it. That's freaking awesome. Oh, I love
that. I love that. I actually do like the Ewoks.
It depends what year you catch me on or what
month you catch me on as far as if you were asking
me what my favorite Star Wars films. You know,
one day of the week, I'm going to tell you it's
Return of the Jedi. The next day of the week,
I'm probably going to tell you it's Empire Strikes
Back. I do think that Revenge of the Sith doesn't
nearly get as much love as it should. I think
that was actually much better than most people
say it was. I don't know. Return of the Jedi,
I thought. I'm not surprised where it is. I have
no problem with it being number nine. I am very
surprised that only two of us voted on it. I
just would have thought more people would have
voted for Return of the Jedi regardless. Maybe
this is one where people decided they were only
going to vote for one Star Wars film or something.
I don't know, but I'm surprised that only two
of us voted for Return of the Jedi, but not surprised
that it still at least made our list. Steve,
what do you think of Return of the Jedi? Well,
I do like that film. I did not vote on that.
I voted on two other Star Wars films. The Empire
Strikes Back and Revenge of the Sith. But I also
have to agree with you in the sense that it kind
of depends on the week or the month on what one
is in my top list of Star Wars movies. And it
kind of jumps between parts of the original trilogy
and then Revenge of the Sith. Out of the new
trilogy, Revenge of the Sith is the only one
I care about. I think it was more of one of those
scenarios and I just opted to go with Empire
Strikes Back because of all the various things
going on in that film. Right. And the other thing
for me really quickly about Jedi was that you
go from New Hope not knowing who the Emperor
is to some wacky Mario looking villain Super
Mario World looking villain in... I don't know.
The original Empire Strikes Back, how the Emperor
was portrayed just looked totally off to me.
And then you go to Jedi and you have Ian Mc...
Oh God, what's his name? You've got this actor
that does an amazing portrayal and what surprised
me was that, because I thought, you know, as
a kid I'm thinking, okay, well, it's an old guy.
He's old and you know 30 years later He shows
up in the prequels as the senator that is the
you know That is the Emperor that and then that's
again. That's why I like You're talking about
Ian McDermott. Yeah That's why I like The prequel
trilogy and the fact that the Emperor is the
same actor that started it all from Jedi going
back I just I think that's great because you
know we've all seen movies where you start off
with an amazing amazing actor in a role and then
they do a prequel or sequel and that actor is
either passed away or couldn't make it or whatever
else and they recast it and it's not the same.
Well the funny thing is he's not the original
Emperor because I mean he was as the return of
the Jedi but the Empire Strikes Back had another
one. Right. He's just the longest running. As
far as AFI goes, it was nominated for, it's 100
years, 100 movies. It was also nominated for
100 years, 100 thrills. Interesting note on Rotten
Tomatoes here. We already saw that Revenge of
the Sith and New Hope did not. They were both
listed in our honorable mentions. They both outscored,
actually, Return of the Jedi and Rotten Tomatoes.
Rotten Tomatoes gives Return of the Jedi 79%,
Revenge of the Sith 80%, and a New Hope 94%.
Now, is that the Rotten Tomatoes people, or is
that the audience? Because I prefer listening
to the audience than the actual... This is their
approval rating, which is the critics and everything
like that. Dan, what are your thoughts on Return
of the Jedi? I mean, it's a Star Wars film. It's
very good. I think it's very good. I don't think
it's great. I think it's just lesser than what
came before. The emotional beats aren't as strong
as Empire Strikes Back. The action sequences
aren't as epic in feel to me than that of the
Battle of Hoth or the climax of... You know the
original story New Hope. I mean, it's a great.
It's a good movie No doubt, but it's just I don't
know I guess it's maybe it has a little brother
syndrome the fact that it's coming after such
a you know an epic movie like Empire Strikes
Back, but I just I don't know to me. There's
there's so many great sci -fi science fiction
films out there Within this own franchise like
I just didn't I don't put it up there compared
to the other Star Wars films I think it's a lesser
film and I would even say I would probably put
The Revenge of the Sith above Return of the Jedi.
I think I would rank it probably fourth with
the other two being higher So I am kind of surprised
that Return of the Jedi made it and New Hope
didn't considering that you know New Hope I for
me is probably a Better movie just in probably
more impactful for the genre then then Return
of the Jedi, but It's Star Wars, so I can't really
complain too much. One last thing from me. I'm
sorry, New Hope's ending as a kid was such a
downer. It was such a down ending. It was like,
wait, that's it? That's all? They get an award
and they go off to their separate parts? Well,
you also got to think, too, though, that that
was the first film and they didn't really know
if it was going to go to the second one. Right,
and I understand that. But even today, even back
when we recorded Total between episode 75 part
one and part two five hours of Star Wars coverage
on now on movie we can review Even when I went
back and watched new hope a couple of years ago.
I still felt that way like that's it Really,
that's all you got. Oh my god I think that's
a better representation of what war would be
like I think when you try to tie it into three
little bow You run into issues because it's just
you're not it When you're trying to have a Star
Wars to make it like everything just you know,
everything's perfect now You kind of run into
problems and maybe maybe if Lucas had flipped
the scenes where no, so I flipped them but Maybe
if something happened instead of just ending
on the award ceremony if something and hat like
if we had seen Darth Vader Finally stopped spinning
out of control You know what I mean like some
sort of afterthought after the award ceremony.
I would enjoy it more and don't get me wrong
I like a new hope. I like the film overall. I
just think the ending sucks That's all All right,
so we've had some Star Wars here Star Wars appearance
in our top ten No surprise there as we talk about
sci -fi films moving on to our number eight entry
And we're gonna stay in the 80s this time 1986
and we're gonna see another person's number one
film be eliminated here. Number eight on our
list is 1986's sequel film, Aliens. So Gourney
Weaver here and making an entrance and I did
think it was going to be interesting to see how
many original films we get and how many sequels
we have here. Obviously Return of the Jedi in
all essences is a sequel film, Aliens is a sequel
film. Four of us voted on it. It was Birdman
Dodds number one. Film on his list. It was on
JT's list. It was on Dan's number 20 on his list
and it was my number like 16 or something like
that. So the only people that didn't vote for
it were Steve and Mike So I'll let Dan start
here. How do you feel about aliens coming in
at number eight? Well, I talked about how I prefer
alien over aliens not it's this is like I think
alien just Alien compared to aliens is probably
the best way to like the sequel to Originally
the sequel combo just because of how it can cross
genres would still be just as great You know
aliens is far more of an action movie than alien
which is more of science fiction horror thriller
and aliens is your science fiction action But
I love aliens. It has some great use of practical
effects that movie holds up so well love Michael
Bean And you gotta love Scowling and Weaver.
I think that's when she, like, you look at female
action stars, the ones we see today, like that,
even more so than Alien, it's when she kind of
really rose to the challenge and became this,
like, you know, kick -ass chick who would, like,
you know, shoot and ask questions later. And
there's some really great relationships with
that, like her relationship with Newt. Overall,
the Marines and that concept. I don't think Aliens
would work without Alien. though just in how
it sets up the idea of alien so well in the first
one that once you get the aliens you can get
into more action it's kind of like it's superhero
origin movie where you can establish you know
the powers in the first movie and then once you
get to the second one you can go all full blown
with all the action but again it's a great movie
I would have preferred seeing alien but I'm glad
this franchise didn't make it because it is deserving
and I'm glad aliens 3 didn't make it It did,
uh, obviously get nominated for seven Academy
Awards. Um, it, uh, has a 90, what, four, 98
% on Rotten Tomatoes. Um, and actually Rotten
Tomatoes did an analysis of the top 100 science
fiction films and they put aliens at, uh, number
10. So I guess we're somewhat in line with them.
Uh, Mike, what do you think here? Any more thoughts
on aliens? Nope. Never seen it. You've never
seen aliens. Haven't seen the entire frame. Wow.
Again. Horror movie. Just, nope. Not going to
work for me. But I would say Aliens is as much
as a horror movie as Ghostbusters. I mean, Ghostbusters
has plenty of horror elements to it as well.
And I don't like what, I don't, I guess, I don't
know. Why does a horror aspect make a movie bad?
I mean. Because I don't like the horror genre.
I'm not. a scary movie kind of person at all
whatsoever. Yes, there were a few scary moments
in Ghostbusters, but that's essentially a sci
-fi comedy, not a horrific film at all. I guess,
I don't know, like, what's the difference between,
like, so would you go to a movie that's a thriller?
Because those kind of been the same lines, being
thrill - The closest I have come is, like, Blade
and that kind of stuff. That's the closest I've
come to, like, thriller type movies. I'm just
saying, I understand not liking horror, but like
- Just there. I don't think the horror elements
and alien really would overshadow the action
I think if you're gonna watch an aliens film
like I think aliens would be a good one for you
because it is More action than it is horror.
There's a little horror but not really all that
much I think you would it wouldn't really bother
you I mean, I don't know for sure But I'm I think
if you're gonna watch an aspect of that for that
franchise should start with that one If you like
it, maybe check out alien, but you're really
doing yourself at the service because that movie
is is It's worth a watch for sure Again, let
me be clear. I have not seen the film. I don't
have an opinion either way So it's one of those
film. It's one of those film series where oh,
it's that okay. I'll go watch something else
now That's just the way I approach it Steve any
thoughts on aliens Um, I don't hate it. I don't
I don't really have an opinion of it, which is
why it's not on my list I consider It to to be
more of a horror film, which again, that's kind
of why you know that that kind of thing Like
horror thriller that's kind of why I left off
Ghostbusters is because it's kind of like a horror
comedy It's I agree it's it's a really good film
I I think it's the whole alien aspect is something
different that hadn't really been done at that
kind of time or to that degree. And then having
like the Android and everything else on there.
So no, it's a really good film. I just, I didn't
find it worthy of putting in my top 10 list.
Fair enough. You know, I think the franchise
definitely when I think of sci -fi obviously
first I think Star Trek and Star Wars But I definitely
think of aliens too as far as franchises go within
the sci -fi genre. So I'm glad that it is represented
Again, I kind of go back and forth between alien
and aliens I voted for aliens and I did not vote
for alien But I'm glad that at least one of them
did make the list and Don't see any problems
with that. So moving on to our number seven film.
We're gonna get out of the 80s At long last year.
We're gonna go to the 90s specifically 1999 Don't
judge it on its sequels here 1999's number seven
on our list would be the matrix If there has
ever been a film hurt more by its sequels in
the history of films, I don't know what it is
Matrix Definitely had an impact on the genre.
I don't know anybody who wasn't talking about
this film when it came out. It appears on a whole
lot of different people's lists as far as greatest
science fiction films. I think it's definitely
deserving of the list. It's not one of my personal
favorites. I did vote for it though, as did all
of us, again, except for Steve and Mike. So I'll
let Dan start here. What are your thoughts on
The Matrix? Yeah, the Matrix 2 I guess is one
that you can... It's similar to aliens as it's
as much action as it is in science fiction I
think what the matrix did was it took the concept
of You know Skynet and took it to the nth degree
and you know What happens if Skynet wins and
that you know in the way that's the matrix and
you talked about matrix sequels I just I don't
remember those ever happening. So I don't know
what you're talking about But yeah, you're right
that those those sequels really kind of hurt
it and I think too What's also hurt it is just
how many films came out to try to copy its style
still to this day with the bull time and just
the wire working which it kind of took from other
friends like a lot of Hong Kong films but it
it did it to the nth degree with amazing special
effects just technically alone with a lot of
films that were probably go over with this list
it advanced films beyond anything that we've
really seen up to that point it was a huge game
changer and it spawned a lot of wannabes things
like The Underworld series, which I like, but
there are obvious rip -offs of The Matrix and
stuff like even like Bulletproof Monk, which
was a really bad wannabe Matrix movie. But The
Matrix itself, it's great. The action sequences
are amazing. The shootout at the end with the
building invasion is so well -handled. The characters,
the costume design are all fun. It's kind of
dense with its philosophy and time, especially
as it goes on within the sequels, but the first
one I think melded them really well. There's
a great mystery aspect into it. It didn't go
too deep. You can still enjoy it on an entertainment
level while kind of appreciating its philosophy
and what it was trying to say, but definitely
deserving. Happy to see it on the list. A poll
done by, it's called Best in Film, the greatest
movies of our time. It was kind of a collaboration
of People Magazine and ABC News. They did a science
fiction section of that poll and they had Matrix
as their number four all time. As far as AFI
goes, it nominated it. for uh neo as a hero and
agent smith as a villain but neither of them
made their their list um it was nominated for
afi's top 10 of the sci -fi genre but did not
make that list it was ranked number 66 on 100
years 100 thrills uh mike what do you think about
the matrix not the matrix reloaded not the matrix
revolutions just i like the again i like all
three of them this the first one when it got
to some of the The creepy baby images kind of
freaked me out, but other than that, it's got
a good story. It's got amazing effects. It changed
the film industry landscape where everybody after
it used bullet time. It was just an awesome,
awesome movie. I absolutely enjoyed it. And I
am one of the few people that enjoy the sequels.
But you didn't vote for any of them. There were
too many more films that I enjoy more fair enough
Steve what are your thoughts that doesn't deserve
to be on our list or not? I would say yeah, I
mean I I I like the film but again, it's it's
not one that I would put in my list just because
one I think sci -fi I mean, yeah the the cyberspace
and plugging into the computer world and everything
else Yeah, that's definitely qualifying for sci
-fi But my I guess my definition is both nostalgic
and based on franchises and this franchise I
think kind of got hurt past the first film But
I I mean I like the first film and I like it
for what it is But again, that's not something
I would have put on my list Anybody else have
any other thoughts on the matrix before we head
into our number six entry? Nope All right number
six entry on our list. We're gonna go back to
the 80s this time We're gonna go to 1982 beating
matrix out by a single point and by far My biggest
jaw dropper on the entire list as far as how
this thing made our list 1982 is the thing What
the fuck um see you guys at number four This
is all Dan because Steve myself and Mike we did
not vote on the thing I'm still trying to figure
out how it made our top ten. So Dan, please defend
it the thing It's it's easily defendable. It's
an awesome awesome movie It's easily maybe not
easily but one of John Carpenter's best movies
the the king of the genre film It takes a great
concept of of men in trust and how it, and especially
during that time of, you know, the height of
the cold, not the height of the cold war, but
you have that aspect going on, and it takes that
allegory and uses, you know, a science fiction
film from the past and places it within our time.
Kurt Russell is awesome in that movie. The special
effects alone, again, great use of practical
effects, great use of suspense. If you're, Mike,
if you're not a horror fan, I would say don't
check out The Thing, because The Thing does have...
many horror aspects to it but it's it's perfectly
set within the you know the Antarctica using
that aspect combined with you know the fact that
they're isolated and they have no one to trust
they can't trust anyone and how it uses that
to build suspense perfectly John Carpenter was
completely on the ball when he made it the soundtrack
as well he does all of his music another great
score by him not as good as Escape from New York
but it's up there To another great characters
like Keith David, I believe is in the thing.
It's been a while since I've seen it So a lot
of I know a lot of people love him for his voice
acting and John Carpenter is really great at
taking character actors and getting awesome performances
from them And yes, they're not like Oscar worthy,
but they fit within the framework that he's building
So I am super surprised this movie made it I
voted for it because I love it. It's an awesome
movie it's who else voted for it because if no
one else voted for it except dan something happened
where dan broke into kevin's uh dan jt and dot
all voted for it it's well they all had it they
all had it somewhat high um i will say this on
rotten tomatoes journey through sci -fi the 100
best reviewed sci -fi movies uh the thing does
rank number 97 so i i guess that gives it some
great credibility there uh roger deeper gave
it two and a half stars out of four but i've
never agreed with much of what he said anyway
um i could see maybe if we were doing like a
horror countdown to get it in because i kind
of view it more as a horror film i just i don't
know i i don't see it stacking up against some
of the sci -fi films that we talked about in
the honorable mention list so that's my two cents
uh mike do you have anything to add never seen
it not even interested Another film, we're just
gonna make a list of films that Mike has not
seen. Steve, any thoughts on the thing? Have
you seen it? No, I have not seen it, but it's
not anything that would really appeal to me.
I saw the sequel or the reboot of the thing,
the modern version. I saw the trailer for that,
but again, the premise of it, I just didn't care
for it. I don't know. Don't judge it on the reboot.
That's like judging... Star Wars on episode one.
I think you can't do that. I would say matrix
on matrix 3 Exactly. It's it is it's a well -made
movie and even if people who don't like John
Carpenter films because he is a certain appeal
not you know his films aren't for everyone something
like You know assault on pre 613 is it's not
necessarily your film that everyone's gonna enjoy
but I think the thing it it gets it has a really
strong story about humanity and You say it's
not really a science fiction film and I could
see that but I think it is because it it takes
a science fiction aspect and it melds it within
a more grand scope of something that represents
the time and I think that's what science fiction
does really well, especially I'm not I'm not
saying that it's not science fiction film I'm
just saying like it's one of those for me that
when I think science fiction I don't think of
that first I said, you know, like horror film
or whatever I probably come to that eventually
not right away, but eventually Yeah, I could
understand it. It is very It is I guess you would
say that it built itself more so on it dispensed
in a science fiction concept So I could I agree
if you saw it and you would think that's more
of a horror movie than science fiction So I guess
since we're not doing a horror movie, maybe it's
nice to talk about one of them. There we go True.
That was that was one. Yeah, I guess we could
have done horror at some point, but Mike Mike
doesn't really like horror and I'd be producing
that episode. I wouldn't be recording it. Well
You know what I mean? Yeah. No, when I think
of the thing, I think of the ever blue -eyed
loving thing. That's what I think of. Anyway,
so that rounds up our first half of our countdown
and we will move on to our second half here by
jettisoning into the future from the 80s all
the way into the 2000s for our only entry from
2000 plus. That's our number five entry on the
film. Specifically, we are going to 2009. for
JJ Abrams, Star Trek. So we do have a Star Trek
appearance so far in our top 10. At Star Trek,
if you're going by the number wise, I believe
that's number 11. Again, just like Return of
the Jedi, the only two films on our top 10 that
were only voted on by two people. So two people
got this in there. And that would be Steve. It
was his number one. So none of our number ones
made it past number five And Mike had it at his
number two. So this is all you guys I mean I'll
talk about it, but let's start with Steve because
you had it number one This film I feel Really
captured the essence of the original series and
a lot of the series that had come before Not
only did it manage to do that it managed to tell
some of the backstory into the original series
kind of giving a altered look into how they all
became the crew of the Enterprise rather than
just jumping in first episode kind of thing.
And it also reinvented all the technology and
kind of modernized it so that it wasn't as stale
if the original series is kind of hard for you
to watch but you like the character dynamic.
but it also revitalized the franchise. So this
film has also kind of caused a lot of ripples
to the point that it's revitalized not only the
franchise, but it's also caused JJ Abrams to
get picked up for Star Wars to reboot that as
well, basically. Yep. As the casual Trekkie,
I will say that The performances in this three
of them well technically I guess four but three
main ones for me are spot -on Not necessarily
copies, but updates of the original characters,
and that's Kirk Bones and Scotty yes Boy was
Zachary Quinto is Spock he he's okay. He does
a good imitation of Nimoy and it's interesting
that they have Nimoy in the film as the future
Spock but like watching Karl Urban as as McCoy
is like they just revived the original actor
out of the grave really honestly it's that damn
close and that damn good as far as the overall
plot I love that I love the effects Chris Pine
as Kirk is just awesome. I'm actually in the
middle of as we record this I haven't finished
it yet, but I'm in the middle of watching the
documentary on Netflix called the captains where
Shatner gets all the captains together and and
Talks to them about their lives, and it's so
cool seeing pine and Shatner sit across from
each other I don't want to make this sound bad
because I think the 2009 version of Star Trek,
I think I had it in my top 10 films of 2009.
I really enjoyed the reboot and I think it did
excellent work for the franchise, getting it
back into importance and kind of waking people
up to the franchise in general as it had been
dormant for way too long. So I really appreciate
what the 2009 film did. Me personally, in creating
my list, I decided just because I was having
an possible time trying to come up with 20 that
I think like a lot of people I started looking
at franchises and starting to try to pick you
know what one film or what two films of that
franchise are the best and let me eliminate the
rest so that I can have room in my top 20 for
everything I think I need room for When it came
time for Star Trek obviously there's been 12
films So it's one of the franchises that has
the most films and what I did is I narrowed it
down to my favorite classic version my favorite
next -generation film and then my favorite out
of the two most recent ones So I voted for Wrath
of Khan. I voted for Star Trek seven generations
and I voted for Into Darkness Just because for
me I slightly enjoyed Into Darkness more than
I did the 2009 film even though I thoroughly
enjoyed the 2009 film as well. I am surprised
so far that one of the modern versions of Star
Trek is the one so far that we've seen in our
top ten. Obviously there's other ones that could
possibly make the rest of the countdown, but
if this is the only one, I do find it interesting
that it's the modern version. Dan, what do you
think about Star Trek 2009 making our list? Well,
I am not a Star Trek person at all. I'm not even
really a casual Trekkie in any way. I never really
watched the show. I think my first experience
with Star Trek was probably the documentary Trekkies.
I did go see the Star Trek in theaters, the reboot,
and I did love it. I thought it was a great summer
action film. It was a lot of fun coming into
that movie. There was really no baggage, really
no idea. I mean, I've watched a little bit of
it. show here and there but nothing really just
from being within the culture you kind of you
know who characters are you know just you know
they've been you know satirized so many times
you have an idea of who they are before you get
there but as someone with no baggage i really
found it fun i i thought it did something interesting
in how it kind of rebooted the franchise but
then also allowed the original kind of stay intact
kind of doing the separate timeline thing that
it did. I think that was a good way to do it
and kind of being respectful. I know some fans
still have issues with that, but Star Trek fans
always seem like they're going to be angry no
matter what, for some of them at least. But I
don't, I'm surprised like you, Kevin, that it's
the one that makes it. I did, after seeing Star
Trek, the 2009 version, I did go back and it
did get me interested into the... franchise so
I went back and watched all the other films and
then after watching them all I think the one
I still think is the best is Wrath of Khan and
maybe even episode four but so I'm surprised
Wrath of Khan didn't make it I probably would
have put that above this one I don't have any
issues with it because you look at the decade
of the 2000s the best science fiction films of
that decade yeah I think Star Trek is definitely
deserving so it's good to see the love kind of
go out of the 80s into other decades yeah a little
bit So yeah, it's good that it's good. It's there
It's a great way to reuse had revitalized the
franchise and give people like me who is not
a Star Trek fan at all The fact that they got
me interested in into those movies and had me
go back. I mean that's that's being a successful
That's being a huge success I think that's what
I wanted to do and if it was able to accomplish
that goal I think it shows you just how strong
a movie it was Got a 95 % right now on Rotten
Tomatoes. Boston Globe actually called it the
best prequel ever A lot of accolades there. It
is the first Star Trek film ever to receive an
Academy Award. So I guess it has that going for
it. I'm glad Star Trek is represented, at least
so far. Like I said, I'm a little surprised.
But like you said, it was very successful. And
I did think, if you take the decade, that it's
probably one of the top, if not the top, science
fiction film from the first decade of the 2000s
here. Mike or Steve, other thoughts on Star Trek
before we move on? Don't know I I've seen it
so much through FX. I basically have it and basically
ingrained in my brain at this point. I mean I
can almost It's kind of like when we were kids
and we would watch Transformers the movie over
and over and over and over again to the point
where we can just quote the movie anytime it's
one of the it's becoming one of those movies
and I've seen it so many times now where it's
like Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, I remember
that. Oh, that's when that happened. So that's
it's not necessarily a bad thing Steve Steve
I Think we pretty much summed it up Okay. All
right. So given that all of our number ones are
now gone And we will move on to our number fourth
pick. We're gonna go back to the 80s I'm actually
somewhat. I mean, I know we've had a lot of 80s
films. So maybe not super Happy that we have
so many 80s films, but I'm somewhat surprised
that this has made it as high as it did And this
is where we start to separate ourselves up through
this point Going from our number six with Star
Trek all the way through to like ten of our honorable
mentions It was all within like a ten -point
span This now jumps eight points ahead of Star
Trek So we're starting to separate ourselves
and that I was very pleasantly surprised that
this got the amount of love that it did Mike
and Steve are the only two that did not vote
for this 1982 film and that is for Blade Runner.
I'm surprised that it got as much love as it
did. I voted for it obviously. Harrison Ford
dystopian science fiction thriller here. Very
happy that it made our list. I'm a little surprised
that it made it as high as it did coming in obviously
at number four. We've been doing it a lot so
let's start with Dan again on your thoughts on
Blade Runner. I'd love Blade Runner, it's my
number five, and if you talk about films that
are influential for the franchise or for the
genre of science fiction, I think you can argue
Blade Runner is maybe one of the most, even more
so than Star Wars, just in how it looks at dystopian
futures and how it shapes those worlds. Look
at something like Fifth Element. That movie wants
to be Blade Runner, just in how it designs its
cars, how it designs its cities, everything it
tries so hard to be Blade Runner. I like Fifth
Element, but it's... what Blade Runner does too,
being a fan of the crime genre and noir, it takes
the noir aspect of the Philip K. Dick movies,
what's a Philip K. Dick book, and anyway, and
he puts it in a science fiction world. And what's
interesting too is with Blade Runner, similar
to Star Wars, is there are a trillion cuts of
Blade Runner. What's interesting is that Lucas
gets slammed for that. People hate it. Every
year he's coming out with a new version of it.
Blade Runner, not so much. And I think a key
reason for that is because Ridley Scott makes
the other versions available. You can get a Blu
-ray, you can get the original cut, you can get
the director's cut, you can get the international
cut, you can get the final cut. There's four
separate cuts to that movie. If you're gonna
watch one, because I think that's a big question,
which one do you watch? I would say watch the
director's cut or watch the final cut. Mostly
the director's cut. I think it is an excellent
movie. The first one, the original version, I
think is good. The director's cut is great. It
removes a lot of the unnecessary aspects of the
first film, like the voiceover. It adds more
mystery to it. It adds more character development.
And it just makes that it makes that world come
alive even more. So yeah, I'm really happy you
made the list I wasn't sure if it was going to
because it's a decisive film because it's slow.
It's slow as hell I think the first few times
I watched it. I probably fell asleep, but as
I grown older I've been able to appreciate a
little bit more Birdman died had this ranks number
seven JT had it number eight Dan had it number
five. I had it number 17 Talk about some recognitions
here. I know some of these presenters you might
not be familiar with, but The Village Voice ranked
at number 94 as best films of the 20th century.
Online Film Critics Society ranked at number
2 as the top 100 sci -fi films of the past 100
years. Entertainment Weekly top 50 cult movies
came in at number 9. The Guardian ranked at number
1, top 10 sci -fi films of all time. Total film
editors 47th of the greatest movies all time
AFI 97 and it's a hundred years a hundred movies
AFI number six on its top ten sci -fi films of
all time and Empire had it at number 20 of the
500 greatest movies of all time And IGN number
one on their top 25 at the sci -fi movies of
all time So a lot of people a lot of love for
Blade Runner Mike. Have you seen this one? Nope
It was doing between Empire and Jedi added to
the list Steve have you seen this one at all?
No, I haven't seen it. I've heard that there's
a lot of great aspects to seeing this and I've
even heard rumors of sequel or whatever but I
Have not seen it. I don't really have an opinion
of it either way, but I do know that it is one
of those cult classics that Should be in the
top ten just because it's got such a great following
among the sci -fi Fans Yeah, and I think and
I think Dan kind of hit it on the on the head
there it did have a huge impact on This type
of sci -fi like the dystopian type sci -fi genre
sub genre. Maybe you should say So I definitely
think it's worthy So yeah, let's once again leave
the 80s This time to go into the year 1991 for
our number third film on our list and the first
one that was also on Steve's list So he's gonna
be happy. We finally got stuff that Steve voted
on here in our number three spot 1991 Terminator
2 judgment day Steve start us off. What do you
think about Terminator 2 coming in at number
three? To me, I think that this was the best
Terminator film out of all of them Which isn't
saying much because after two they kind of fell
off the rocker there, but uh It was kind of cool
seeing Arnold as the old outdated Terminator
that's now on the good side, and then you're
saying you know the ramifications of what happened
in the first film I'll be at 20 you know 16 20
years later And then you have the ultra you know,
version of the Terminator, the T1000, I think
it was. Yeah. And the ability to change shape
and the liquid metal. I mean, just the whole
concept of a lot of it was really cool. It was
pretty action packed. And then they kind of give
you a little bit more information about what
has happened before and what happened after and
that kind of thing. And then I think that film
is not only good for playing back to the first
film and setting up future films or even ending
the franchise there without the need for another
film. It's also the first film on our countdown
that made it onto everybody but one. The only
person that did not vote for Terminator 2 would
be JT. He's Canadian, we'll forgive him. You
say that every countdown. I know. JT voted for
Terminator instead. I'm not saying that some
people didn't vote for both films, but he's the
only person that did not vote for Terminator
2 Judgment Day, so it's the first film that had
five people vote on it. Mike, you had this towards
the bottom of your list, I think around like
16th. What did you think about Terminator 2 coming
in at number three? At least JT didn't rank salvation
better than the original Terminator. I like Terminator
2, but again, it's one of those films where I
can go back to every so often. It's not something
I can watch all the time. I actually saw this
before I saw the original film. And I just, on
its own, not even as a sequel, on its own as
it's telling the story. And that's one of the
things that Terminator movies have done well.
Well, at least... one two and three where they
have the continuity but they don't they they
all act as their individual stories and salvation
was just a heaping pile of dog crap in my opinion
um batman is john connor give me a break um i
don't wear hockey pads uh but no the second film
was awesome The acting was great. The effects
were great. Robert Patrick as the T1000 was absolutely
amazing and awesome. So awesome that it led to
one of the best spoofs ever in Hot Shots Part
D. Part D? Yeah. Steve, you had this at 18. Mike,
you had it at 16. Dan, you had this at 8. And
Dodd had this at 5. I had this at 4. So a lot
of love for Terminator 2. Dan, what are your
thoughts on Terminator 2? I think this is what
may be the first time we had a director repeat
on the top 10 with James Cameron coming in again.
Which is, I'm not surprising since he's had such
a huge impact within the science fiction genre.
But Terminator 2, maybe if not... one of probably
the best sequels of all time. We might get to
a little bit better one later on the list, I'm
assuming. But it's great. I talked about with
The Matrix how it advanced special effects, same
goes for Terminator 2, if not more so. The great
father -son aspect relationship between John
Connor and the Terminator and James Cameron is
one of the few people who can use... Schwarzenegger
well. Schwarzenegger is not a great actor but
this is kind of like the role he was born to
play. His robotic voice and his like his monotone
and kind of limited range as an actor fit well
for the character and it just seeing him kind
of you know relate with John Connor was I think
gave that movie a lot more heart to it and I
think that's why I think a lot of people gravitated
towards it. I love the first Terminator but I
think the Terminator 2 Makes it is a far better
movie the actions better I think standard Connor
is a better character in the second film and
it how it kind of uses time travel and creates
a lot of time travel paradoxes like But yeah,
I'm glad to see it. It's well -deserving and
it's again one of those movies that is just as
much action as the decide science fiction, but
It works and uses both aspects of both genres
really well together. 98 % on Rotten Tomatoes.
AFI ranked at number 77 on their 100 years 100
thrills. How about this for an interesting thing?
As far as AFI is 100 heroes and villains, Terminator
was ranked number 48 on the list of heroes and
at number 22 on the list of villains, as it was
portrayed in the original Terminator. So the
character was the only one to appear on both
the hero and the villain list. Hasta La Vista
Baby was ranked number 76 on the quotes of all
time, number 33 on total films, top 100 films.
And as far as AFI's top 10 science fiction or
top 10 films, it was ranked number eight in the
science fiction genre. Empire ranked at number
35 and it's 500 greatest movies of all time.
So again a lot of love for Terminator 2 I wasn't
sure how it was gonna go with Terminator and
Terminator 2 because It's not one where there's
a clear consensus on on which one's a better
film A lot of people love the first one. A lot
of people love second one. A lot of people love
both of them So three of us voted for the original
one and five of us voted for the sequel. So I
guess that's telling Any other thoughts on Terminator
before we move to our number two film on our
list? Nope, nope. All right, we're going to our
number two film. We're jumping this time. I've
been talking about how close the point system
has been. We're going to jump 43 points now.
Way, way into stratosphere point wise for our
number two film, 1980s. Star Wars Empire Strikes
Back coming in at number two. Again, five people
voted on it. JT did not. Again, he's Canadian
and I don't think we can forgive him for this
one. He voted for A New Hope. Jerk! A New Hope
was the only Star Wars film JT voted on. He voted
for that in the number four spot. There's something
wrong with him. As far as Empire Strikes Back,
it was Birdman Dodd's number three film. It was
Dan's number three film. It was your number seven
film, Mike. It was Steve's twelfth film and it
was my number three. Star Wars, Empire Strikes
Back. Mike, start us off. It's the middle part
of the story of the original trilogy it This
is why I wish something would have happened at
the end of the first film Not necessarily to
lead us into this but I just like when I watch
these films back to back the original trilogy
I Felt disconnected between New Hope and and
Empire because New Hope ends on such a good note
then Empire It starts off like I don't know three
months later for six months. However, the timeline
works in the Star Wars universe I don't know
and they're on this different planet and they're
doing this and I think it's a great I think it's
a great opening I think it's it's interesting
to see that Han is still working with the rebels
Luke finally comes to terms with his destiny
and starts his training We meet the crotchety
annoying ass old Yoda You know, we see other
people driving the Millennium Falcon. We see
R2 fixing the Millennium Falcon. What do you
know about the hyperdrive? It's just overall
that there are great aspects of this film. And
then the second thing is that it has such a downtone
to it. It has such dark. things happening in
it because you've got this whole Darth Vader
is his father and This whole and the lightsaber
battle was awesome. Don't get me wrong, but it's
just this movie ends on such a down ending I
think that's what's part of its appeal though,
too Steve you know you had this ranked as your
number one Star Wars film So how do you feel
about Star Wars Empire Strikes Back coming in
at number two? I'm fine with it because It's
one of the more action -packed films and it's
monumental for uh you know the I am your father
line and then the chopping off of Luke's hand
and you know all the the repercussions that happen
um I can kind of see where the disconnect happens
between people with A New Hope and Empire Strikes
Back however whenever you're starting a franchise
of any kind I mean I know that they were made
out of order and everything but still it applies
to both franchises or both trilogies. The first
film always has, you know, the basic introductions
and then everything has to end all happy in case
they don't make the next film. The second film
is where they get to play more and spread it
out into another film to where they can have
more room to play, so to speak. So it's... I
can kind of get that, but at the same time it's...
it's made to basically hit the ground running
and kind of elevate the franchise to new heights.
So I'm fine with where it landed on the list.
Wizard selected this ending of the Empire Strikes
Back as the greatest cliffhanger of all time.
Darth Vader was ranked as the third greatest
film villain of all time by AFI. The most well
-known line of The Empire Strikes Back, No, I
am your father, is often misquoted as Luke, I
am your father. The line was selected as one
of the 400 nominees for AFIs 100 Movies 100 Quotes.
Yoda's Try Not Do or Do Not, There Is No Try,
was also a nominee for the same list. Nominated
for AFIs 100 Years 100 Movies, nominated for
AFIs 100 Years 100 Thrills, and nominated again
when they did their anniversary for 100 Years
100 Movies. So Empire Strikes Back obviously
has a lot of critical acclaim. Dan, what do you
feel about it being at our number two spot amongst
the franchise in general? I'm very happy. I honestly
thought this would be number one. Just going
off of most of the acclaim, usually this is allotted
as the number one of science fiction films of
recent memory. But number two is fine. I think
it's far and away. best Star Wars film. You talked
about the downer ending. For me, give me an ending
like that over pandering any day of the week.
I appreciate a movie, a director who's willing
to leave you on a cliffhanger, as long as it's
a deserved cliffhanger. And I think that's one
of the best well -deserved cliffhangers of all
time. Look, I Am Your Father. Yes, at this point,
we kind of know it. It's become commonplace.
What are the biggest spoilers of all time that
you can't spoil because how do you not know it?
But I think too what what to has more so than
the other films, I mean They're all great, but
I think what I think elevates to above the other
two It's just it's its ability to use the characters
and it's great character development. We see,
really, Luke come into his own, still question
who he is as a person, and then go through this
huge, gigantic struggle and then have to deal
with his father. There's a lot of great symbolism,
there's a lot of great imagery within Empire
Strikes Back, and has, to me, one of the best
openings ever with the Battle of Hoth. That opening...
It's perfect. It sets the stage well. It builds
up to a great conclusion. The flow of it works
really well. The at -at walkers are so menacing
and just how slowly they kind of just take over.
I just love the snow. Maybe I'm just in the snow
because I love the thing and I love the Battle
of Hoth, but I love that aspect of it. and then
Yoda. It introduces us to Yoda and if all of
the characters in Star Wars, he may be one of
the most iconic beyond, besides Darth Vader.
So I'm happy to see it as number two. I think
I agree with you on a lot of this. Number one,
the Battle of Hoth. I think that's just such
a great sequence. All the stuff as far as Yoda
goes and how he's involved, the bounty hunters.
You know job at the hut There's there's so many
great things here Lando and Cloud City There's
just so many things to like about this movie
that I absolutely have no problem with it coming
in At number two at all Mike we're gonna say
something Yeah, not counting the expanded universe
or any of the Star Wars novels because I've never
read any of that stuff I'm sorry seeing this
movie alone Boba Fett is easily the most throwaway
character out of any of them because he doesn't
do anything. He stands there and holds a friggin
gun and his ending is he gets swallowed by a
sarlacc. His father, yes, I know the prequels
didn't happen until later, but his father gets
his fucking head cut off by... Doesn't matter,
still awesome. The Fettes are not awesome whatsoever.
They are useless. They're awesome. Useless. They're
awesomely useless. Steve, what do you think about
Empire Strikes Back? I don't know who's talked
yet. Yeah, I've already talked. Oh, okay. Mike,
you still stick with this not being the best
Star Wars film? Overall, it is the best Star
Wars film. As far as story -wise, three and six
are my favorites. Alright. I guess we'll leave
it at that. Direct your hate mail to TFG1. I'm
just kidding. Alright, so that's our number two
spot. That means there can be only one left.
It is the only film that was rated on all six
lists. I know what it is. Number four by Birdman
Dodd. One, two, three, four. Number seven by
Dan. Number two by JT. Number three by Mike.
Number two by Steve. Number two by myself. It's
1985's. Back to the Future. Dan, since you had
voted the lowest on your list, are you upset
that Back to the Future came in at number one,
or what are your feelings and thoughts on this?
No, I have no issue with it being number one.
You talked about how, depending on the day of
the week, what is your favorite Star Wars movie?
You can almost say the same with this entire
genre. I mean, if I watch Back to the Future,
it might be my number one tomorrow, which is
one of those movies that... Back to the Future
to me is the quintessential film of how to be
fun. It is just a great fun time. It doesn't
take itself too seriously. It's that thrill ride.
Places you into a story that you want to be a
part of It's such a great world such a great
use of time travel probably the best time travel
movie of all time Even I would say even a little
bit better than Terminator just in how it kind
of creates its rules I guess with time travel.
It's so hard to establish rules and establish
what it means and it uses things like pictures
and disappearing and things that maybe maybe
don't make sense if you really analyze them,
but it makes it work because it's just so well
told. You have great characters, Marty McFly,
Doc, I mean Christopher Lloyd as Doc, I mean
how do you not love that? And also the awesome,
I think what tops it off, I don't know if we
went back and counted our top 10, I'm sure there's
a lot of John Williams, especially if you went
into honorable mentions. Back to the future theme
gotta love it. I mean, it's it is that it's the
themes that we don't have anymore And I wish
we had more themes like that where you hear it.
He's actually Alan Sylvester I'm so far much
into John Williams. I just assume everyone is
John Williams Anyways, thank you for correcting
me. But anyways, it's still an awesome theme
No, it is. Yeah, let me let me get the percentages
out of weight 97 % on rotten tomato So a lot
of people like that keep going with your thought
Dan, but yeah, I just think I we don't really
have that anymore We don't have that like you
hear that that thing even you know exactly it's
and it's back to the future You you hear it and
you could have the TV on the other room. You
hear it come on You're like all back to the future
We don't really have that anymore like you look
at Dark Knight. You look at The Avengers there's
they really have themes. They're not really there
Their scores are more so downers in a good way,
but I do miss them. So I'm happy with it being
number one. I think it's a really universal film
where you can be a hardcore cinephile or just
a casual film goer and love back to the future.
I think you bring up a good point, though. I
think the powers that be these days underestimate
how much score and how much songs can carry or
elevate a film. And I think too many times the
scores are used as undertones and There are so
many films that the music makes it that much
better of a film And this is one of those not
just with the themes and I'll get into the AFI
because it kind of relates to that It was nominated
for a hundred years a hundred movies nominated
for a hundred years a hundred laughs nominated
for a hundred years a hundred thrills It had
to nominate the songs for a hundred years a hundred
songs the power of love and Johnny B good Had
a nominated quote, Rhodes, where we're going,
we don't need Rhodes. And it was ranked number
10 on AFI's Top 10 Science Fiction Films. So,
saying that, saying that, I know you're a huge
Back to the Future fan, Mike, so how do you feel
about this being at number one? Want to say something
outside of the sci -fi genre you mentioned you
guys mentioned that there aren't a lot of composers
and Filmmakers really paying attention to the
score nowadays and I would say two films at least
since 2000 since the year 2000 that Kind of go
against that is they're both from Brian Tyler
one is for paparazzi and the other is for Iron
Man 3 Both of those scores elevated those movies
and what happened in them, at least in my mind
they did. As far as Back to the Future goes,
it's one of the most quotable movies, again.
Next Saturday night, we're sending you back to
the future. Great Scott, who hasn't used Great
Scott? 1 .21 gigawatts, it's not possible. There's
just so many things about this movie. See if
you bastards can do 90 You know, there are just
so many I mean we could sit here all night and
quote this damn film There's just so many good
quotes about it. The story is Again, I'm glad
they went with just dealing with time versus
time and space It hits on the quotable level,
it hits on the musical level, it hits on the
science fiction slash time travel level, it hits
on the comedy, it hits on the suspense slash
actions. I mean, it just hits on a lot. There's
a lot to love in a lot of different ways and
it appeals to multiple age groups. Right. And
this is one of those eighties films that no matter
how old we get, no matter how many years in the
future, someone will see this movie, and it will
not be dated. You know, people say, oh, that
stuff's dated, oh, that stuff's so horrible because
it was so dated. The movie, specifically Back
to the Future, the first film, it doesn't apologize
for being a film set in 1985. That's the whole
point of the entire franchise. Everything in
the three films revolves around 1985 and that's
what is so damn good about it. The acting is
great. You know, we've already said the music
is great. The story is great. I will say the
one thing about the acting though, no matter
what role he has been in since this, I still
find Crispin Glover to be the creepiest actor
alive. No horror movie could scar me as much
as some of his performances do. I wasn't interested
to see going into this because I'm one that kind
of holds Back to the Future and Back to the Future
2 so close as far as which one I like better.
And I kind of go back and forth. I wasn't sure
how, you know, they would maybe hurt each other,
but it ended up not hurting Back to the Future
at all because it ran away with this thing. And
Back to the Future 2 fell a little short. Steve,
what are your thoughts on Back to the Future
being number one? I couldn't think of a better
place for it. Honestly, I think that that is
One of the most memorable sci -fi films of all
time just because Everybody's heard the lines
from it. Everybody's seen something from it.
Everybody's You know knows what the DeLorean
is because of that movie or I mean just overall
that that film there's so much Of what could
have been or the thoughts of modern day in 1985.
And then there's all these other concepts thrown
in their time travel and, you know, car having
to hit 88 miles per hour to do it, altering time
or making sure that they don't alter time. And
then then you have the dynamic of the doctor
and Marty. I mean, that's irreplaceable. I mean,
this whole movie is not a film that really ages.
I mean, it does, but it doesn't. It's one of
those films that if they were to ever redo it,
it would pale by comparison tenfold. I mean,
this film stands really well on its own. Perhaps
no other film, no other franchise outside of
maybe Star Trek that has had so many things come
true about the future. Items that items and things
that they use that end up actually being reality
I think that's cool about a lot of the things
you see in the back of the future franchise one
of the coolest things really quickly about this
franchise is Was it last year? Yeah, it was his
last year Nike came out and made a commercial
the power laces But it says in the commercial
that, we're sorry, power laces won't actually
work until 2015. That's almost as bad as the
Star Trek joke, not installed until Tuesday.
We also recently had a resurgence there with
the video game, that a lot of people have said
it's really good. Alright, so that is our list.
Before we go down the whole list, I want to go
through AFI's top 10 sci -fi films. Obviously,
as usual, there's a lot more. Classic stuff in
there, but AFI's top 10 sci -fi films starts
with number 10 at Back to the Future, then it
goes to 1956 Invasion of the Body Snatchers,
Terminator 2 Judgment Day, the original 1979
Alien, Blade Runner, The Day the Earth Stood
Still from 1951, A Clockwork Orange, E .T., which
we had in a different list, Star Wars and New
Hope, and 2001 A Space Odyssey, which I know
Dan likes it, so I'm not going to talk about
it. AFI's top 10 list, our top 10 list goes like
this. Ghostbusters, Return of the Jedi, Aliens,
Matrix, The Thing, Star Trek, Blade Runner, Terminator
2, Empire Strikes Back, and back to the future.
Where did we get it right and where did we get
it wrong, Dan? Well, I know probably I'll be
the one of the only people that defends the thing
So I do think we got it right there just because
I think it's nice to spread the love to different
types of movies And it but I think where we got
it wrong. I don't know wrong is the best word.
I think if we're gonna Put in a different movie
I would say maybe remove return of the Jedi and
take in put in the original Star Wars But besides
that I think it's relatively strong. Nothing
really jumps out as to me that doesn't belong
there. I'm happy that with fantasy kind of went
by the book. I don't think we had that many surprises.
With this list I think we do. Like Back to the
Future at one to me is a huge surprise but it's
a pleasant one and I think it's because it's
so universally loved. So I'm happy with it, honestly.
There's nothing really I think is a glaring error.
Yeah, you can rearrange things here and there.
But overall, I think we have a good mixture.
We do have a lot of 1980s movies. But if you
look at the 1980s, it's a really strong year
for science fiction. 1982 alone, you had Star
Trek, you had The Thing, you had Blade, you had
ET. So I think the 80s is probably the best decade
ever for science fiction. So having a lot of
80s films in there makes sense. Interesting to
you we can go through the 80s because you had
1980 was Empire Strikes Back Then we had 1982
with Blade Runner and the thing 1983 with Return
of the Jedi 1984 Ghostbusters 1985 back to the
future 1986 aliens So we hit a lot of the years
of the 80s. It wasn't all from necessarily the
same year I guess my only thing is I don't really
have complaints about anything in our top 10.
I am somewhat surprised of which Star Trek made
it even though I love the film I could see that
slot being Wrath of Khan or possibly a different
Star Trek film but I don't have a problem with
it being the 2009 version I guess you know just
because if I was making my personal list I take
the thing out and in that slot I either put a
Mad Max film or a Planet of the Apes film just
because I think those two franchises would be
Cool to be represented here. But other than that,
I don't really have any complaints. Again, I
am also surprised. I just figured a Star Trek
or a Star Wars film would take number one, so
back to the future being there is, again, a good
surprise, but a surprise nonetheless. Mike, what
do you think of the list overall? You can take
the thing out and replace it with Tron, Tron
Legacy, iRobot, Intah. There's so many on our
list. I don't know about Tron, I'm sorry. Yes.
If you look at the special... The Thing is a
horror movie, dammit. It's not sci -fi. And Tron
is just a bad movie. I'm sorry. Tron Legacy was
definitely much better. I don't like that franchise,
I'm sorry. I mean, if you're gonna attack Thing,
I gotta stick up for, you know, the David and
the Scoliath battle, so... Yeah, right. Just
don't say iRobot again, please. iRobot, yes.
No, but other than that, other than the thing
being in the wrong place, I don't have any real
complaints about it at all. The only franchise
that we had multiple there is Star Wars. Otherwise,
look at the franchises we have. Back to the Future,
Star Wars, Terminator, Star Trek, Aliens, Ghostbusters,
Matrix. I mean, we hit a lot of the major sci
-fi franchises or trilogies or whatever you want
to call it. So I think that says something of
itself. Keep going, Mike. No, I mean, I think
the list overall is fine, minus that one hard
voting choice. Three people voted on it. That's
more people than voted on the Star Trek or Return
of the Jedi. Yeah. Anyway, overall, no, I think
it's interesting where we ended up with it. Again,
I'm sure on a different day. We all probably
would have ended up with something different
for the top ten It's gonna be really interesting
to see what happens next week with the final
list which we'll talk about after Steve gives
his thoughts on this one I Don't really have
a problem with the list and how it turned out
I mean, yeah, I don't personally care for the
thing and I could think of other films that could
go on there not to continuously rain on Dan's
parade there But I mean, yeah, it's a it's a
nice well -rounded list I mean, I'm sure that
list will change as new films come out and as
everybody gets to see different things that we
missed this time around But I can't really complain
about it too much, you know, I didn't bring this
up before but I will real quick because I missed
the opportunity. But the least voted on things
in our top 10 were The Thing, Star Trek, and
Return of the Jedi. The most voted on honorable
mentions, the most voted overall as far as number
of people's list would be Star Wars, New Hope.
And then after that we had Star Trek, First Contact,
Revenge of the Sith, Wrath of Khan, Robocop,
Back to the Future 2, Terminator, the original
one, and Fifth Element were the most voted on
movies not to make the list. So I don't have
any complaints, you know, like I said, I would
switch and put Planet of the Apes or Mad Max
in there, but I can understand that apparently
I was outvoted this time. That's okay. Mike?
Well, we hope you enjoyed this episode of Geek
Cast Radio and wish you'll join us next time
when we will be talking about in episode 50 our
top 10 superhero films This will conclude our
AFL AFI style Countdowns here on Geek Cast Radio
after episode 50. I think we will do episode
50 .5 Where we do a recap or might be a special
episode? I don't know whatever we decide to do,
but we will definitely be doing a recap on these
last 10 countdown lists and just see what everyone's
thoughts are on how the entire project that we've
done here at Geocast Radio turned out. For now,
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join me. I'll never join you. You killed my father!
No, Luke. I am your father. That's not true!
That's impossible! And Princess Leia is your
sister. That's not true! That's... improbable!
will be defeated by Ewoks. That's... very unlikely.
And as a child, I built C -3PO. Huh? And the
force? Well, that's just microscopic bacteria
in your bloodstream called midichlorians. Look,
if you're not gonna take this seriously, I'm
out. Hey, Doc, we better back up. We don't have
enough road to get up to 88. Roads? Where we're
going, we don't need roads. Father. I am not
our father. There are so few Vulgas left. We
cannot afford to ignore each other. Then why
did you sin Kirkaboard when you alone could have
explained the truth? Because you needed each
other. I could not deprive you of the revelation
of all that you could accomplish together. Of
a friendship that would define you both. In ways
you could not yet realize. How did you persuade
him to keep your secret? He inferred that universe
-ending paradoxes would ensue should he break
his promise. You lied. Oh... I... I implied.
A gamble. An act of faith. One I hope that you
will repeat in the future is Starfleet. In the
face of extinction, it is only logical I resign
my Starfleet commission and help rebuild our
race. And yet you can be in two places at once.
I urge you to remain in Starfleet. I've already
located a suitable planet on which to establish
a Vulcan colony. Spock, in this case, do yourself
a favor. Put aside logic. Do what feels right.
Since my customary farewell would appear oddly
self -serving, I shall simply say, good luck.
Coming back in time, changing history? It's cheating.
A trick I learned from an old friend. Hasta la
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