Music Spotlight Wrap-Up

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35 TfG1 Blanchard and a few of the other musical

co -hosts as they wrap up the GCRN's music spotlight.

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Keep it right here. This is episode 35, which

will conclude the epic music spotlight we have

done here at Geekcast Radio for the last seven

months. I am one of your hosts, Steve, Joe, and

Mike, and joining me is TV's Mr. Neal. Hello.

Sharon! Ozzy reference. Yes, I know. They had

a midget Ozzy on America's Got Talent about a

week ago, I think. Oh, no. Yeah. And of course...

That crazy Canuck, JT from Saskatoon, is here.

It has never been diagnosed that I'm crazy. I'm

just special. We all know you're crazy. So what

we're here today to do is essentially recap the

music spotlight. Now I know that a lot of people

that have commented on certain episodes, certain

spotlights... certain Canadian band spotlights

don't really care for that band and they'll they

just keep saying all that bands sucks why if

they just do they just suck and uh... at first

i thought the dude was it just a a troller to

be a nickelback hater uh... but you know hey

you know there's so much stuff in in music I

was the one that wanted to do this epic spotlight.

It was my vision to get this done. And of course,

me being the main person doing it, my musical

influences are going to be covered. I did put

in the heavy metal episode because Chuck Dog

wanted that in there. I did put in the non -mainstream

music episode because, let's face it, Dodd hates

the mainstream. Although I'm sure he's drank

from it a few times. So this thing was really

my baby and of course we had all the different

countdowns and the different lists that we did

and I think those were very varied. I don't think

any of our lists, maybe three or four of the

countdown episodes have lists where I might have

picked Aerosmith and JT might have picked Aerosmith

or something like that where there wasn't really

all that much of... Similar tastes I mean sure

there are some but Yeah, so JT. What? What do

you want to say about the music spotlight here

on GCR? Well overall I've the besides the episodes

that I've been on I really enjoyed listening

to it because you know Takes you back, and you

know reflect on Basically everything that was

on the list aside from you know the hall and

also we spoke about this off here that I didn't

really That not that I considered him one hit

wonders, but I wasn't really aware of their catalog

of their right You know there that all the stuff

that they've done and listening to your episode

like I said really an education to learn about

all this stuff that they've accomplished like

specifically live at Darrell's house the you

know Darrell Hall's web show like I love the

only seen like three or four episodes of that

and but it was just really cool to see all these

different different tastes and you know eccentricities

and everything and come together like this and

just make some really cool music like even if

they're covering stuff it's just awesome to listen

to yeah and yeah like you're saying like we'll

get into it i don't know if you just want to

go into nickelback right away because i think

that was let's let's go ahead most controversial

episodes let's go ahead and get that shit out

of the way because i know every time i mention

it Most of the people I know or interact with,

with the exception of you, are like, ugh, Nickelback.

Neil, what is your opinion of Nickelback, Neil?

I don't listen to them. That's fair. See, I respect

an opinion, an honest opinion like that. I just

don't listen to them. You know, it's but yeah,

like like we talked about in the show I just

we don't understand the hate like if you don't

like music fine, I was never a particular fan

of Prince and When I told some of my friends

growing up, you know in high school, it's like

I yeah strawberry beret and Party like it's 1999.

You know, it's good stuff. I don't deny that

it's just not my thing I'm not a fan and you

see people just go Like hand to the chest deep

breath. They're just all Insulted that you could

not love his royal badness. I was like, okay,

the guys got a cool nickname, but He's also kind

of a freak, you know, so personal opinion notwithstanding.

I do like his music I just not a huge fan and

I've never gotten an Argument like that for Nickelback

haters like they're all just like oh they suck

their music is cliche blah blah blah now Yes,

their music is cliched and some of their songs

are a little trite I won't deny that but I that

doesn't matter to me. I love their music, you

know, it's The same could be said and I'm drew

this comparison in the show Nickelback is like

a modern -day Like a modern -day Def Leppard

or Motley Crue like they are you know, what's

popular now and you compare like They've got

a lot of their songs sound the same, like a lot

of Def Leppard songs and a lot of Motley Crue

songs sound the same. They have a signature style,

which I love. And some of the hits just goes

way, way, way off base. And I think just wrong

cause there's a local free newspaper, you know,

little, you know, 20, 30 page thing. You guys

probably have it in the States. This one night

a couple weeks a few weeks ago. We had Nickelback

play in Saskatoon unfortunately I couldn't go

because I couldn't afford the tickets and I was

reading this guy talking about Nickelback and

Instead of like you're talking about this guy

basically just sat there and trashed them the

whole time he gave all these other like this

is what you could be spending your money and

doing on Friday night and He's like saying there's

like this Midnight movie show that goes on once

a month that he's talking about how it may not

happen anymore because no one's really going

to it Which is a tragedy because I've seen some

really cool stuff there And but two comments

that made me just drop stop reading this newspaper

He when he called the Nickelback date rape anthem

nests Wow Now, now, and I will say that I am

not, I am not defending though, yes, a lot of

their songs, specifically stuff, a few songs

off of Dark Horse and a couple off of Here and

Now, they're very misogynistic in their lyrics

on quite a few songs, like throughout their entire

catalog. But at the same time, fuck you, sir.

Well that's like, you know, you could also make

the comparison to Theory of a Dead Man with,

you know, stuff like Bad Girlfriend. I mean,

Bad Girlfriend is essentially... She's a stripper.

She's a stripper. Yeah, except the Theory of

a Dead Man is just an ounce more subtle. Yeah.

And see, before we get going on this guy, how

he ended the article, it wasn't so much the date

rate amp in this thing, at the end it says...

He says, if you would rather go see Nickelback,

I may as well hang myself now. And I thought,

I don't want to agree to that statement, but

at the same time, I'm like, okay, you don't like

Nickelback, but damn, man. Well, that was like,

and I'll have to find the video, but that was

like, I, this is back Thanksgiving of last year

here in the States when they were doing the,

uh, the Thanksgiving game day thing. They teamed

up to do stuff with United Way and the NFL. So

they were performing at the halftime show on

Thanksgiving or whatever it was. And I just did

a Google search that day. I'm like, okay, why

do people hate Nickelback? And one of the first

results that popped up was this video from some

douchebag on YouTube that says, terrorists and

murderers are better than Nickelback. I'm sorry.

That's just that's not that's an uninformed opinion.

That is totally asinine in the first place Just

you know and after JT and I did the episode in

the spotlight here I was done like I don't talk

about a lot of my musical taste. I just don't

I like my music sure I'll check into different

artists on get glue and all that crap But I don't

actively talk about my musical taste That's why

I created this fucking spotlight was so I would

have a forum to do that Get it over with get

it out of my system and get it done But I don't

actively talk about my musical taste on a daily

basis So after JT and I did our our Nickelback

spotlight episode. I was like, okay, I'm i'm

cool i'm done and then fucking michael dot has

to bring up and tag me in a fucking post on face

book uh... also having how uh... coming up here

on uh... june thirteenth Nickelback will be at

the Idaho Center and the article says you can

spend $45 to go see Nickelback this week or you

could buy 45 hammers from the dollar store. Hang

them from the ceiling at eye level and spend

an evening banging the demons out of your dome.

That $45 would also buy you a lot of pickles,

which have more fans on Facebook than the band.

It would also buy you an introduction to rock

guitar video course that would allow you to surpass

the band's skill level in five hours or less.

$45 is also enough to see Men in Black 3 five

times, buy a dozen Big Macs, do 10 loads of laundry,

or so many other experiences... as... as banal

and meaningless in seeing Nickelback, but come

without having to actually hear Nickelback. But

if you must, the band is playing in Idaho Center

on Wednesday, June 13th at 6 p .m. Tickets start

at $45. Now that is the sort of article... Hold

on, hold on, hold on. And this was written by

somebody named Josh Gross. I want to point his

fucking name out because this guy's a fucking

douchebag. Okay, you know what? I'm going to

defend him a little bit. A, clearly he is not

a fan. but and he is welcome to his opinion but

that was fucking funny see that's if that douchebag

for planet s had put half as much you know thought

and intelligent humor into that article i would

probably still be reading that magazine right

But I mean, Kate, he doesn't. Josh, I applaud

you, Mr. Gross. That was brilliant. You don't

like Nickelback fun. Firstly, my favorite line

was, that $45 would also buy you a lot of pickles,

which have more fans on Facebook than the fan.

First of all, A, that's funny. I don't care who

you are. That's fucking funny. Right. That is

funny. I will admit that. But I'm pretty sure

Nickelback has just a few more fans than pickles,

although pickles are awesome. Well my biggest

problem here is the fact that I do not like being

tagged on Facebook for anything I just don't

know That's why I created my fan page face TF2

and Mike on Facebook. That's why if people want

to tag that that's fine. I don't care but I'm

trying to limit Facebook to the friends that

I already have or the family members that are

already there. And I use Facebook as a promotional

tool for Geekcast, Radio Network, This Week in

Geek, and however many other fan pages I manage.

But it's like, you know, Dodd had the gumption

to tag me in this thing. And my first couple

of quotes here, I'm so fucking over the people

who hate Nickelback. let us that like them like

them uh... and in peace god damn it and then

mike says uh... you know it goes back and forth

and you know we get into this whole debate of

whatever else and then of course uh... let's

see what was my other big rather big comment

on this thing uh... Well, if it's the argument

that never ends because some people keep banging

the shit up, or because people keep bringing

the shit up, I like NB, end of story. If others

don't find, I do not pay attention to what others

think about them because I know it's gonna be

negative. I already recorded an entire podcast

with JT on them, and I've said my piece on the

band. You know, it's like, Jesus Christ. Fucking

people leave this shit alone. This is why I'm

on Twitter more than Facebook cuz Facebook just

sucks sometimes Anyways So the music spotlight

knows the Nickelback stuff is over with Where

do we want to start with this? I mean, okay.

Well nothing I don't think Neil has even actually

listened to any of our episodes, but what have

you guys listened to so far from this? Anything,

Neil? I haven't had a chance to listen to it

yet, but I'm going through the topic shows and

I'm stopping on a couple of them like Weird Al.

Weird Al is one of my favorite musical personalities

out there because the guy just has the uncanny

ability to parody so many artists and he outlasts

them. Yeah, it's like I didn't think he was gonna

outlast Michael Jackson. I'm like, oh no a Problem

there was you know, yeah MJ being, you know six

feet under yeah Then he definitely outlasted

him but no, yeah, this is stuff like coolio like

I I didn't know until at least ten years after

the fact the whole the whole brouhaha that Weird

Al got because of Amish Paradise. And the thing

is, he doesn't actually have to get their permission

to parody. I mean, I wouldn't know how to say

it exactly, but yeah, parody law basically says,

if it's in the public spotlight, you can poke

fun at it. So it's like, but yeah, Amish Paradise

is one of my favorite Weird Al songs and Weird

Al videos. The thing about Weird Al, the other

controversy with him was the whole thing about

Eminem. And Eminem was like, yeah, no, you can't

parody my song because it'll damage my career.

Are you fucking kidding me? Man, I'm pretty sure

music stills had an uptick after Weird Al parodied

you. Yeah. What were you gonna say, Neil? I was

gonna say, well, I can kind of see that because,

you know... Like I said, Weird Al has a tendency

to outlast the people he parodies. He sees the

trend going on here. He's like, wait a minute,

where's Robert Plant today? Oh, he's in the ground.

Wow. And you know what? The other thing is, I

think he's the only musical artist that has taken

anything away from Lady Gaga, because he did

that audio perform this way. The then her, you

know, they had that whole thing where she her

her or her people Lady Gaga, you know, it's like

you got to take that down. You can't do the parody

and blah, blah. They're threatening lawsuits

and this huge backlash of fans both on both in

both camps that. Basically, Lady Gaga had to

put out that statement saying, oh, it wasn't

me. It was part of my, you know, management,

blah, blah, blah. I was just like, just admit

the fact that you're taking down a pig. Yeah.

It was like, uh, that wasn't me. Sure. It wasn't.

Oh, by the way, that was Robert Palmer, not Robert.

But anyway. Yeah. But yeah, no weirdo. Uh, honestly,

he was one of the. First musical artists that

I actively collected when I was a kid growing

up. I still have almost I Yeah, I have all the

cassettes I ever got of him Although I have since

gone and I love iTunes because I've gone on iTunes

and I've got his entire catalog I haven't picked

up apocalypse yet. Although that's something

I'm probably gonna go to like a store and actually

buy a physical CD because I would like to have

physical copies as well. It's kind of like comic

books like that. But no, Weird Al I've always

loved because A, it got me into the music. He

was parodying a lot of artists and he's got even

his original stuff is really entertaining as

well. Although I wish I would have been on that

episode. It would have gushed there. So I'm going

to ask, I'm going to ask. Well, I know that episode

it was, it was actually added in after the fact

because Steve hadn't been on GCR in a long time

and I wanted to get him on the spotlight and

I'm like, okay, well, what do you like? What

do you want to talk about? He's like, I can talk

about a weird L all day long. Like, okay, cool.

Let's do this. Yeah. Well, let me ask you guys

like what's like. what your favorite one or two

your favorite weird all songs uh... elicomish

paradise i like uh... god there was another one

uh... crap i can't even think about it now i

like you a jobs and i like uh... and i love that

lost on jeopardy like i like you big he was funny

I mean, a lot of my friends, one of my absolute

favorite songs, it's definitely in the top 10,

is The Saga Begins, which is his parody of Don

McLean's American Pie. And yes, it is based,

you know, because it came out at the time that

episode one came out and Long made that. Oh,

God, I hate that movie so much. Explaining the

force is like trying to explain the immortality

in Highlander. You don't need to do it anyway,

I love the saga begins because a lot of my friends

when like I was when this song came out, you

know, I was hanging out with a lot of friends

back home in Yorkton and You know, we'd be drinking

and this was one of our drinking songs like we

would cue this up and There'd be an apartment

full of 20 people singing the saga begins The

cops would shut us down and we'd have to truck

back to another friend's place Which is you know

five or six blocks over and we would sit there

drinkingly singing this song the entire So I

have a lot of great memories at parties of you

know Just rocking on singing this and a lot of

other weird out songs to my absolute favorite

weird out Song and I might take flat for this

is white and nerdy because that is my that is

my personal theme song. That never before, and

I do mean this for all intents and purposes,

never before or since have I heard a song that

has spoken to me like that. I'm sorry. I might

not be to the extremes by which he portrays nerds

in that song, but that is my people. That is

the song of my people. The greatest thing, what

I found in doing that episode here in the spotlight

was His mashups. Oh, yeah, the police his his

concert mashups where it's not even a parody

It's just it's just a mashup of the songs and

it's like Holy crap, the the symphonies are not

what you know what I'm talking about JT. Yes.

Yeah He'll take something like the red hot chili

peppers and put it next to like Phil Collins

or you know Something like that is like oh my

god It's just amazing what that man can do it

just is oh, yeah No, that's so that's the great

thing about an and he truly is an artist I mean

you can't really argue. This is a guy that can

You know, he's you know, he's one of those guys

that truly has his finger on the pulse as they

say Yeah, you know, but yeah, it's like I said

all -time Like I said white nerdy. It's it's

my song. So although I remember When I first

started listening this and my dad is like, well,

you know, he's just copying other. No, he's making

it better. It's like, yeah, I mean, who wants

to listen to gangsters paradise now? I mean,

I enjoyed the song back in the day, but those

mainly because of the movie and my lust for Michelle

Pfeiffer, but that's besides the point. I'm just

like that cat suit, don't you? No, honestly,

I like her more in Dangerous Minds. Oh boy. Alright.

What other musical stuff do you want to bring

up, Neil? Well, just as an addendum to Weird

Al, there's another band out there called Metallica,

which is a mashup of The Beatles and Metallica.

And they got into trouble recently with the copyright

holders of The Beatles. Lars actually came to

the rescue. Lars, the drummer of Metallica, said,

no, no, it's parody. Because it's just like Weird

Al. It's just them goofing with the songs and

being funny. So I just thought I'd throw that

in there. That's cool. i don't know like i find

and i okay i i i understand the concept of making

a playlist on itunes and then turning it turning

shuffle on i understand that like i have a list

and i mentioned this before in other episodes

i have a list called library faves where i essentially

i will take every song that's every audio track

that's in my actual music library i'll put it

in that playlist i'll go through it and i'll

delete the ones that i don't want to listen to

the most and i think it's i don't know i think

it's like a hundred how many songs it's like

probably three hundred and fifty three songs

or something like that and uh... let me look

here how many songs no it's actually a thousand

uh... one thousand three hundred ten songs and

It just surprises me what the iTunes shuffler

will come up with because I can be listening

to something like Just push play by Aerosmith

and then it will immediately go to something

like let me see Clint black, you know, I mean,

it's you know, it's just one of those varied

things of the shuffle And I love that because

it's very rare that I listen to my entire music

library. As I've said in other music spotlight

episodes is I nowadays pay attention to more

so the artists that I like versus the entire

spectrum of music. It's very rare that I listen

to the radio anymore, mainly because most of

the DJs suck. And I'm not paying for XM. Just

not. The only reason I ever wanted to get XM

radio is to listen to Maxim radio and then I

realized what a mistake that would be. Because

like the magazine, the radio station sucks. You

know, it just doesn't have the same, you know...

Yeah, it used to be so nice to read maximum,

you know slight tangent and how it's just like

What I Mean I got a complaint about that, but

that's neither here nor there. So so what? You

know Neil you were only on the heavy metal episode

But what what musical tastes do you have? What

do you normally listen to? I'm just a general

rock guy. I like hard rock heavy metal You know,

sometimes I'll, you know, pick out something

goofy like, I don't know, maybe something Celtic

or something, but usually it's just rock. I have

gotten it, I have developed a taste for video

game music recently. Well, everyone can develop

a taste for video game music. I mean, it's so

good, especially, you know, Chemical Plant Zone.

Yeah, the Chemical Plant Zone from Sonic. Sonic

the Hedgehog has some of the best music of like...

any video game soundtrack. And what a lot of

people don't realize is that in Japan, they've

had video game soundtracks on vinyl since the

80s. And a lot of the composers over there are

well -known, like Yoko Shimomura. A lot of people

don't realize that the same woman who did the

Street Fighter soundtrack also did Super Mario

RPG, Breath of Fire. Parasite evil all these

different games and it's like wow, that's all

the same person. Yeah, and Yeah, they get classical

composers that do stuff for like Dragon Quest

games and stuff like that It's it's really kind

of this untapped music. I don't want to call

it a genre, but just this Video game music is

looked at totally different in in Japan or in

the US. It's kind of still kind of a nerd thing

Yeah You know as I said in the in the non mainstream

episode where you know I Want to start getting

into some video games specifically the Metal

Gear soundtracks. I love the music from Metal

Gear I love that Metal Gear main theme. I mean

that's just amazing You know, but you know the

music I love the music from Mega Man obviously

everyone loves You know Mario Everyone loves

Zelda You can you can go anywhere and whistle

though the Super Mario Brothers theme and everyone

knows what it is Yeah, it's my ringtone right

now, so Let's see what else You know for me,

you know, I know there's a lot of genres of music

that we didn't hit As I've said within the spotlight

in a couple episodes, I can listen to certain

rap songs depending on, like if they're in a

movie or something like that, I don't mind it.

But rap is not a genre I listen to, so that's

why it wasn't really covered here. In country,

it's... Subjective. I like some of today's country

stuff, but I'm mostly stuck in like... 93 to

96 those those three years is where most of my

my country listening happened and I like a lot

of that stuff but but yeah I'm mainly a rock

guy as well I don't I think the heaviest I've

gotten as far as heavy metal goes is probably

Metallica or possibly Ozzy which at this point

I think the only Ozzy song Well, one of the only

Aussie songs that I actually listen to in my

iTunes library is the theme to Dog the Bounty

Hunter. Oh, wow. I'll give it to you. Although

I don't think the band that killed Napster holds

a candle to the blizzards, so, you know. But

no, I mean when it comes to music like I grew

up listening to this radio station called CK

620 62 cool out of Regina for many many years

that all they played was like 50 60s and 70s,

you know, it was an oldie station. Yeah, and

unfortunately, I think it's like five or seven

years ago they changed formats to all talk radio

and I was pissed because grew up listening this

stuff and I have nothing but love for like I

Think this is kind of where my love for R &B

started because you listen to old -school stuff

like Aretha Franklin or the Temptations, you

know, you know anything that came Quincy Jones

you bury Gordy all that stuff was I mean was

beautiful man like the stuff that they put in

to the music because I think it was Who are you

on the 80s episode with Mike? Yeah, and I think

I think it was off the bottom this might have

been Chuck Doug that said, you know, whereas

the 60s and the 70s were a very Music was very

much artistic. Yeah, and they were trying to

change things 80s was straight -up fun Oh, yeah,

you know and I kind of take that And just kind

of mix everything like I listen to pretty much

everything, you know aside from Yanni or John

Tesh. Who's the devil? Funny thing is growing

up as a kid. I never like I never knew John had

a musical career I only knew him as John Tesh

Mary Hart's co -anchor on an entertainment tonight

Yeah, I know but the first time I saw like that,

you know the best of dot John Tesh on CD and

I was like The dude does music, you know, no,

okay But getting back to it's getting it like

60s and 70s. I love the stuff out of there You

know, I have those are two spotlights I have

yet to listen to so I'm really looking forward

to it. It's just this stuff in there Yeah, it

was very, you know politically artistically driven

a lot of the stuff that came out of there which

pranked out some great tunes I'm much more a

fan of stuff from the 80s and very early 90s

when music, you know was a lot more, it was just

fun. Like one of my all -time favorite bands,

top three all -time favorite band is Poison.

And you can't, and I'm gonna say this, two of

my all -time favorite rock songs, number one,

Ty, is Poison's Nothing But a Good Time and Brian

Adams' Summer of 69. Now, Brian Adams, I'm a

fan, I've always been a fan. I'm about Brian

Adams the way you are about Hall & Oates. You

know that's you can't convince me there's a bad

song but speaking specifically about poison The

song nothing but a good time Mm -hmm, and I'm

I'm putting this down now to the listeners to

you and Neil I defy you Defy you to find a better

more pure rock song that is like more fun than

that because I just spent $45 on a bag of hammers,

and I'm hanging them from the ceiling. Shut up.

Zing. But no, that was the great thing about

the 80s is that there was all these different

genres, like rock, heavy rock, punk rock, new

wave, pop. The very early mixings of not necessarily

techno dance, but just dance stuff. R &B. the

groups like stuff like Bobby Brown and all that

it's just there was a lot of fun and that's the

one thing that I mean going forward and like

into the 90s and that it's just it just seemed

to like somebody pulled the plug and it all the

fun was sucked out of the genre or out out of

the art artists like the the music scene because

it went from being having fun people working

in their garages and making mix tapes and hustling

and trying to get their one song played like

maybe twice on a radio station to 90 % of the

musics on the top 10 right now is they started

off on a Disney afternoon TV series I'm not kidding

you look at some of them like you look Demi Lovato

and Selena Gomez fucking Jonas Brothers all this

shit. It's basically the mouse in I wouldn't

say infected but you know they they made a deal

with that round ear devil and now 90 % of the

music on the top 10 is uh you know it's it's

from a from a disney core basically and it's

just why You also gotta add in there crap like

Justin Bitchbur and Lady Gag Me and Flo Rida

and it's like, that's why I don't listen to Top

40 anymore because it's like, there's like, okay,

growing up between I would say probably 86 and

I think the last time I listened to it when Casey

was still doing it was like 99. 99, 2000 when

I would listen to Casey Kasem's American Top

40. It would be that each week, there might be

a few weeks in there in that almost 11 year,

12 year period that it would be the same number

one for a number of consecutive weeks, but each

week there would be movement on the chart. I

don't know how American Top 40 came up with,

I forget how they come up with their... Their

list each week as far as that goes. I don't know

if they go by sales or what they go go by plays

or requests I'm not sure But there would be movement

and now it's like well now that Seacrest is infected

top 40 It's like oh, hey what what? Top 40 rap

artists or what top 40 Justin Bieber song is

gonna be number one this week. It's like oh god

Yeah I mean that not not just top 40 sort of

like the countdown this but like Do you remember

the last time you saw a music video on MTV? 1984

It's like yeah, man, I saw a music video on MTV

and they're like no Are you sure it wasn't just

a 30 set? It was sure it wasn't a three -minute

clip of like the next episode of the real world

And I won't talk about that other show that MTV

graced us with. 16 and Pregnant? No, the other

one. Oh, yeah. At least the real world was half

believable. That other one, that Jersey stuff

isn't believable at all. I mean, yes it is reality,

yes it is scripted, yes it is fiction, but it's

just... whatever but nothing but mtv is i think

what really killed them from doing actual music

television is t r l went off the air you know

i mean total requests live say what you want

about carson daly say what you want about that

show that show effectively launched the careers

of certain artists and certain bands and it gave

you a look into like you know say uh... Say in

suck was stopping by to promote their new single

Well, they would come with a video and they would

show you the video and you know, so I think with

TRL being off the air. That's really the death

knell to MTV not doing music television anymore

and just I Would argue that it being off here

wasn't the death knell just know the debut of

TRL was the death knell because we get again

and sink or Backstreet or Brittany or Christina

or whoever you know whoever is on the radio back

then You know would show up with a video and

you would I swear to God The first time I saw

this I couldn't believe it you would get maybe

a minute minute and a half into say a three minute

Video song whatever. Yeah, and then they go outside

to the screaming tweens that are like losing

their shit Because they're five stories removed

from in sync, but oh my god, they're still here,

you know, and most of that time it's You know

there it you would see maybe a third of the video

in the rest of it you got these kids screaming

you would see a whole video ever on tier out

that was the death knell of mtp and i think the

other thing mtv and it's now conglomerates because

it essentially bought out cmt and vh1 and all

that stuff i mean they all mtv owns all that

all those stations they even own bet as well

and all of my comment Huh? It's all owned by

Viacom. The world is owned by Viacom. There you

go. But the thing is, is like, you know, I hate

to say this because I like, I like the cartoon,

but I think what happened was MTV went into,

you know, kind of like the reality game show

type of deal. They had a couple game. Like I

remember, um, Oh God, I remember it, but I don't

remember the name of the the lose control game

show you know i'm talking about jr control well

control yeah uh... you know they had that back

in the day but then what was the nineties and

it was like we want a branch out Let's get big

titty Jenny McCarthy and Chris Hardwick to do

a show called singled out which I love singled

out I thought it was a really cool show and I

like a lot of the stuff Chris Hardwick is doing

now That was actually the first time I'd ever

heard of the guy was watching singled out You

know, but it's like hey, let's do this and oh,

hey, let's do all this other television scripted

stuff and it's just like The music just died.

Yeah, the early 90s was really a bad time for

me as far as MTV goes I friends and I quietly

when they took when they took headbangers ball

off the air Yeah, Ricky Rackman No, I mean just

and wasn't even MTV like I say it's not because

they branched out away from music like that like

They created they did come out with two shows

that I loved and it was too animated series.

There was MTV's downtown which was Personally,

I guess it was pretty much the brainchild of

I was a Chris Prenovsky who gave us Megas XLR

like one of the greatest cartoons of all time

and He also came out. There was a show MTV undergrads

Right, and I'd love both of those shows I was

really the thing is and I said it then and I'll

say it now They got cancelled because they weren't

pulling down ratings like Britney Spears on TRL.

Yeah, it was because they did Around the time

those shows came out in the mid late 90s, you

know Beavis and butthead was ending its run Daria

was still on for a little bit while but if they

weren't like selling insane amounts of advertising

the show No, didn't matter how well it was received

or how much love there was for if it wasn't making

money They cancelled it and then unfortunately

that was the problem with MTV. There's a video

on YouTube and I'll send you the link later Mike

this channel called super news they did a little

animated movie called the death of mtv i've seen

it yeah where you know it's like the mtv logo

is like a living breathing thing you see it through

the years and you know it ends up dying in the

hospital surrounded by the cast of the hills

which is probably like the nastiest way to die

and i mean that's just nasty because But yeah,

see I'm gonna get talking about the music in

but yeah MTV is Everyone's you know, they people

will say it is still there and it's still part

of no, it's not part of music anymore. It's I

Don't even know why more more for music. Yeah.

Yeah Sure VH1 has it's all of its reality shows

that it does but at least on the weekends I can

turn on VH1 like I could probably go turn on

VH1 right now. It'll be like Top 100 artists

of all time or you know top 100 one -hit wonders

or top 40 most shocking moments in hip -hop or

there'll be something related to music even if

it's an infomercial type of deal of giving you

a you know a countdown of events at least it

has to do with music. Well that's that's what

I'm talking about is like MTV just by and large

like their reality it's pretty much they've become

a reality reality show network there. There's

almost nothing to deal with music but to get

back on talking about the count on the one thing

I mean there was like what that for was it the

four episode block you and I did of Episodes

actually was a five technically in the way they

came out because there was nickel back through

live Yeah, yeah, and I got to say like I went

back and I listened to live And yeah at Kovalchick

is still a dick Because, you know, and I appreciate

some of the material you provided me, Mike, it

was very nice of you. Live is a great band, like,

you know, and hopefully they will do well in

the future. But, you know, you look at them,

it's like they had this great run, very, very

artistically driven music. But, you know, again,

this kind of goes back to the 80s, like the 80s

made you feel something with music. Well, it

was fun in the 80s. It was just fun tongue -in

-cheek stuff. And then what happened in the 90s?

Well, everyone got emo, Nirvana came out, and

everyone got in touch with their feelings. Well,

not so much that, but besides making it, it was

fun to listen to and it made you feel something.

I spoke about this in the Nickelback episode.

you know music for me is never really been about

the lyrics it's been about the emotion you know

the feeling you get which is why i like live

which is why i like stuff like life house and

default and hopefully those guys will get their

shit together and that's the great thing about

music like a lot again going back to the nickelback

hey is like no one Ever comes up with they just

say it sucks and you know, here's 45 dollars.

You can buy a ticket or you can buy pickles It's

just well, you know that goes back to what we

said in the Nickelback spotlight episode when

when I read that email from from Desmond Reddick

from earth 2 .net des actually gave us a Explanation

of why he doesn't care for the band There is

another story where he actually had an altercation

with the band themselves. He had it actually

I think he I think he punched ched kroger in

the back of the head i don't know seriously well

there was ok when uh... this is back in two thousand

eight when dark there the dark horse album came

out the really well as as we all know bands release

abandons are surely singles and singles come

with artwork and i at the time it was the leaders

to the forums design actually created a couple

back through it is i wanted some place talk about

it and i posted the the the cover to the sunday

and sunday us uh... uh... dot what's it's on

j t which one does it got to be somebody yeah

yeah so yeah i i posted the the the single artwork

to gotta be somebody on the forums and as comments

and easily that this posted back is like you

know why they never you know i'm the reason why

they never show them from the back of their heads

i was like wait why he's like i get into an altercation

with with chad kroger and i punched him in the

back of the head there's something there is something

like i don't know what i can't remember what

the actual story is but yes he he got into an

altercation with them but no des desmond retic

he actually gave us a well thought out well explained

reason why he doesn't like nickelback versus

just him saying the band sucks You know, yeah

that reminds me of a funny story that that I

That I had back in like 94 95. Yeah, we were

going to a concert me and my friends to see Ozzy

Osbourne typo negative and Sepultura and Sepultura

was playing first and One of my friends was like

well, we better get hurrying we're gonna miss

Sepultura and I don't like Sepultura I was so

as we're walking by this one tour bus. I'm just

like man fuck Sepultura And this guy comes walking

out, as I said this, there's this guy with like

long red hair coming out of the tour bus. When

we finally went in, and Sepultura's playing,

and my buddy Mike nudges me, he's like, isn't

that the guy that was coming off the bus when

you said that? And so I imagine on the off chance

that Max Cavalera will ever listen to this, he'll

be like, that's the guy! But yeah, see that's

the thing like and and again I'm gonna try and

make this more about music in general and not

just Nickelback It's like how Mike talks about

rap and hip -hop, you know There's some things

he likes but by and large he doesn't listen to

it because he doesn't like it I like that that

that's a great reason. It's just you know, it's

not his thing I wish more people when they say

they don't like something Like Nickelback or

You know, like I talked on the non mainstream

episode about Adam Warrock. Yeah You know just

I talked about that and they have no clue what

I'm talking about Yeah, and it's just like dude

just let it go I like something that you don't

and wipe why do people spend so much time like

trying to convince you that your Personal musical

tastes are wrong. Yeah Well, you know that's

like certain people, you know trying to convince

us that our personal animation tastes are wrong

Oh wait, sorry the wrong show Yeah, no, but I

mean like looking back at the list the one thing

the one episode that I had That she didn't really

talk about too much in the 90s spotlight. Yeah

and That we did yeah, yeah, it's just we didn't

talk about the one thing we talked about a little

bit I wish we would have gone into a little bit

more than was the soundtracks. It's and I wish

you guys would have brought that up in the 80s

spotlight episode as well because Most of growing

up my cassette collection a lot of it was soundtracks,

you know back when from music from and Inspired

by basically meant it was in the movie Because

I mean you look at if I pull up like my iTunes

and look at my soundtrack section I'd like say

the bad boys soundtrack for example. Yeah There

are maybe three songs out of three or four songs

out of like that 12 12 track list that are in

the actual movie Yeah, but the greatest travesty

for that soundtrack is they don't have the cops

theme song Yeah, you know again. That's probably

you know a right to you know It's kind of like

you know not to take away from the soundtrack

stuff because I do want to bring that up in a

minute But that's kind of like television when

they're that you know oh God take Take the show

cold case. They'll put in say Eric Clapton tears

from heaven for an episode if that ever gets

released on DVD The song, okay, take Fastlane.

You've seen Fastlane, right, JT? I love that

series. Okay, Fastlane on television had amazing,

amazing songs. There was an episode where Saliva's

raise up was part of this, part of one of the

episodes. There was an episode where Papa Roach's,

oh God, what's the song? I know what it is. But

let's just go with that pop a road right right,

but the point is on television. It's fine When

it gets to DVD or media release, it's like oh,

hey, we don't have the rights to do this on DVD

So hey, let's change the music I hate that. Well,

it's not so much. They don't have the rights

it's like okay like in the show when they have

stuff like Papa Roach or the one of the their

saliva or the one episode where you know My hero

Tommy Lee was on an episode lusting over Tiffany

Thies and looking as miffed out as he could possibly

manage. They had some songs from his, what's

that Neil? I said which is normal for him. Yeah,

well they had a few saw a couple of songs from

his side project methods of mayhem and The thing

is with any episode. I mean we all know this

is like you you pay it's like advertising you

pay Now when you go to DVD you have to pay again

yeah, so it's right exactly which sucks because

I mean like the whole idea of Fast lane was the

fact that it was like the mod squad mixed with

fast and furious Right and music was a big part

of the show because about the flash and the style

of the show. See it's it's really I Don't want

to say upsetting but it is disappointing. It

is disappointing It is it's like how dare you

ruin my enjoyment of this show by replacing the

music that was originally fucking in it We're

going back to soundtracks. It's like it's I'm

just saying it's it's not so much replacing as

they just weren't willing to pay what was probably

an even more... And that's the thing, because

they weren't willing to pay for those songs,

they then had to replace them with shittier songs.

Or would you rather not have the Fastlane DVDs

at all, Mike? Well, no, but that's not the point.

The point is... He has to sit there with his

iPad and play the songs off his... Yeah, but

just in order to duplicate the experience Yeah,

or you find like if you find somebody with like

a VHS copy of the show and try and sync up the

audio So getting back to soundtracks, I love

soundtracks You know, I've said before, you know,

sometimes soundtracks is how I find out about

new music from bands that I like You know Certain

soundtracks are better than others. I hate it

when a soundtrack gets released and Not like

the one song that I like from movie is not on

the soundtrack. Yeah fuck you Scores, I love

scores. I love movie scores It's a case -by -case

basis with movie scores for me. I mean I Just

cuz Sometimes it's good stuff and sometimes it's

bad and it all the again. It depends on the movie

itself Yeah, well, you know, I'm I'm looking

in my library and I'm I'm looking at you know

stuff from like Trevor Rabin, you know, he did

the Armageddon score he did Gone in 60 seconds.

He did Jack Frost, you know, you look you look

at Danny Elfman and Danny Elfman has his musical

hands in everything You know the spider -man

soundtrack God knows what else well I know the

one thing about Danny Elfman and then just quick

aside was there's that live -action flash TV

series in the early 90s that I was absolutely

bonkers for because I was reading the flash comics

at the time and The first thing I noticed is

like why is the flash have Batman's music? It

was a very subtle change. It wasn't exactly The

Danny Elfman thing, but it was it was the same

You listen to it. It's the Batman music. It's

just you know different tempo basically, and

I'll just kind of like The Flash isn't like Batman

his he got hit by a lightning bolt his parents

didn't die You know so it's hearings something

like that You know if you know it from a certain

place will throw you off I mean you look at some

soundtracks like again looking at my list like

a case -by -case basis Look at like three soundtracks

Specifically a Ghostbusters to Jay and Silent

Bob strike back and the mask and those are three

soundtracks that pretty much every Song on there

is in the movie at some point or another you

need to get like a 30 -second clip or you almost

get the whole song Yeah, you know stuff like

Well, Jay and Bob strike back like Bon Jovi is

bad medicine where Shannon Elizabeth walks in

and Jay fills the cup and I was just like, you

know, me too brother. Stuff like that. That's

what I loved about soundtracks is you watch the

movie and then you pick up the soundtrack and

you can, if the tracks are laid out as they appear

in the movie, you can almost play it over again

in your head and enjoy it all over. Any and even

if on on the actual soundtrack, they're not laid

out as they are in the movie I usually place

them in the order that they're laid out in the

movie So I mean, you know, that's the beauty

of iTunes is be able to be able to make playlists

and and shuffle stood around and everything else

There was actually going to be a soundtracks

and scores episode in the music spotlight but

as i said the beginning this has been going on

for seven months we need to do something else

here at the cast radio podcast we have lives

yes you to walk up behind this podcast smack

in the back uh... well -played said uh... no

i mean Mean overall I had a lot of fun. We're

doing like, you know contributing to these episodes

and listening to them it's basically there's

like three spotlights and the two and Specifically

the two thousands. I'm looking forward to that

one. Yeah, but The one thing that I I'm just

gonna say this now. I Listen to the non mainstream

music episode that I did with you and Birdman.

Yeah I gotta apologize. I'm sorry. Okay, first

of all, yeah, I am Mike Dodd. I'm a huge fan

of Mike Dodd. And he's like, you and Dodd are

half the reason I started my little piss ant

show that I'm still trying to figure out what

I'm going to record again. Every six months.

Oh, no, no, no, we're sticking to that four month

guideline. but uh no and it's not just like yeah

it's not like i was hugely nervous i was like

excited to work with dawd and that the thing

is with the main non -mainstream episode like

i did so much research for that episode i had

all i had like literally the what i sent you

and dawd was like that wasn't even close to what

i had compiled on my choices Yeah, you know so

I like I'm gonna say I'm gonna say the listeners

if you didn't like the non -mainstream music

episode III fully accept responsibility for that

one Canada is to blame not Canada one guy and

he just happens to be Canadian Speaking about

the mainstream music one in this it wouldn't

lay you could have laid this What I want to bring

up you could have laid this across the heavy

metal episode or the non -mainstream episode

Was have you guys ever heard of a group? What

was it? Crap, I can't remember. One second, Steel

Panther. Have you ever heard of that group? No.

Okay, now they're basically more or less like

a parody group. They're a bunch of these guys

that they are huge heavy metal fans, like specifically

80s style metal like Poison, Motley Crue, Def

Leppard. Their entire act, they're like big hair,

bandanas. extremely misogynistic lyrics like

but the thing is they are what shows through

in that music despite all like the very un -PC

lyrics is this incredible love for the genre

and it's just something I wanted to bring up

then because I mean you look at some of these

guys that's like especially cover bands and I

spoke about in the non mainstream episode like

the case of, you know, Judas Priest, you know,

they had the rock star movie with Mark Wahlberg,

how the idea that these guys, how people who

have this incredible love for the genre, for

a genre of anything, really, you know, if you

try hard enough, you can become part of it. And

that's the one thing I love about Steel Panda,

these guys just basically, it's played for yucks,

the music. But I mean, they have a song that,

like from their first album, Feel the Steel,

they have songs like Asian Hooker, Just the title

makes you listen to it stripper girl the shocker

and Spider -man villain more ways than one And

if you can find like or you look at some of their

other I was like I love the name of their album

feel the steel is their first album second album

balls out I Mean the guys just took like the

the idea of heavy metal music from the 80s and

they just crank it to absurdity I Mean if you

want to see them that there's they have some

official videos on YouTube. You got a look up

death to all but metal And it's basically they

talk about like modern rock musics like Madonna

they take a shot at the goo -goo dolls Was a

particular fan of that specific lyric, but No,

it's like stuff like and thing is with steel

panther They're kind of that same vein as weird

Al is that they're they're not necessarily making

fun of but they are kind of What's the word I'm

looking for? They're just trying to raise up

You know the style of music that they love. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you know, you mentioned the covers

earlier and I don't know about you guys. I'm

still not seeing this. I don't even know if I'll

see this when it hits Redbox or even if it hits

Netflix, when it hits Netflix. I guess we should

talk about that cover -filled classic craptacular

Stacy Jacks film that's coming out. Oh, come

on, Mike. Tom Cruise singing classic rock songs

is not freaking cool There's just some things

to like I love Tom Cruise in the 80s and early

90s But there's just some things Tom Cruise should

just not fucking do So No, I see I I would like

to see this music like I would love to see the

musical before I see the movie Right, you know

just because it is like the idea of rock of ages

for those that don't know is it's just It kind

of looks like boy meets girl in Hollywood while

searching for you know Fame and fortune in the

late 80s music scene where I love the fact that

they don't do the whiskey a go -go It's the bourbon

room, which is owned and operated by Alec Baldwin

Who's like that? I would love I would want to

run a rock bar But no, it's just the fact that

I mean in the mood in the musical Stacey Jackson

the character Mike talked about is he's the guy

that Came up, you know, he's like the biggest

rock star in the world He came up with like wanted

dead or alive and a lot of these other like classic

80 songs from like poison or David Lee Roth in

the film are attributed to Stacey Jack so I can

understand why some people might not like that

but It kind of sounds like Fozzie like that Chris

Jericho's band Cause that was kind of their shtick.

It was like, you know, all those songs that you

love from the eighties. Well, we wrote those.

Yeah, that's kind of the idea, but I mean, it's

built around this kind of musical sort of thing.

I mean, they even from what I saw in the trailer

in front of red, they get Catherine Zeta Jones

basically playing the tipper gore role of how

she's going to shut, you know, Stacy Jackson,

the bourbon room down for his, you know, we only

spews three things, sex, hateful lyrics. and

sex and i'm sitting there watching this trailer

in the theater i think they had this before uh

mission impossible ghost protocol also tom cruise

movie at least where i saw it you know and i'm

sitting there it's like sex hateful lyrics sex

so you're against music entirely yes like that

no i love i love the idea of this film i mean

and if you're talking about music or music musical

movies like that because we spoke earlier like

in the Michael Jackson episode Which I just finished

listening to last night like that was actually

probably one of the better ones that have come

out I really enjoyed that one Because he spoke

about Barry Gordy in there and yeah Have you

guys ever seen a little film called Barry Gordy's

the last dragon? No Okay Think of it. It's a

Motown martial arts movie. Oh my god With the

hero is named Bruce Leroy. Oh God and I can't

remember the actor's name, but the villain of

the the villain of the piece is show enough Shogun

of Brooklyn Look it up on wiki man. It's actually

some that you know if you can appreciate it for

the absurdity. I highly recommend it But I mean

the one thing I did want to speak about Mike

was Michael Jackson. I like I heard You know

your episode you know the episode we're talking

about the you know you you didn't sidestep the

What do you call it the controversies? That's

it? Yeah, you didn't sidestep, but you did speak

on it. I mean, yeah, it's kind of like I had

no idea about half this stuff growing up. Now,

keep in mind, I grew up in the middle of what

I've called the Kansas of Canada, Saskatchewan.

So, you know, I heard his music and I loved his

music. And then, you know, I didn't hear about

the Pepsi commercial until years later. I mean,

I always thought of him as this black kid with

the, you know, the slight jerry -curl hair and

the red jacket. And then you see, the first time

I saw that picture of him with the, where he

added that crap ton of vanilla. And I'm just

like, Michael, what have you done? I think that

was my favorite ending out of all, like when

I closed that episode, I think that was my favorite

ending of all the music spotlight close -outs

that I did because... I said Matt was and remember

it doesn't matter if you're and then I stopped

and I put in his clip of black or white I Like

even despite the controversies and everything

I still love his music and the thing it's like,

you know people People criticize other people's

music choices because you know or any choice,

movie choice, cartoon choice, whatever. And certain

people don't understand that I might like Michael

Jackson for his music. I don't get, you know,

okay, sure, it's a tragedy when anyone does something

wrong, you know, especially when you're a celebrity

like Michael was. You know, that's very sad,

but does that take away from the music he created?

No, not in my mind, it doesn't. It just, it's

just the way it is, but it's like, you know,

I don't, I don't sit here, uh, you know, take,

um, again, going back to three of them is the

one I can go back to because they're the band

I know the most about as far as their music.

You know, I know every little detail about that

band as far as their, you know, professional

music career. Do I know every little detail about

each one of the members lives? No. And I don't

care to, I like the product that they put out

and. Yes, Michael had controversies everyone

has you know trials in life It just so happens

that his was you know highly media sized because

of his celebrity status So yeah, you know we

we were going to touch on the controversies in

that episode we did but I didn't want to dwell

on them because I mean the guy Even though it

had only been a couple years since his death

I mean a lot of people are still mourning him

now because you know I was just so sudden where

you know some of it is kind of overblown anyway,

so yeah What do you think of Michael Jackson

Neil I Like him he's a little weird. I mean,

and I don't mean I don't mean like the controversy

The fact that he he had like a tiger I think

he had a zoo at this ranch that he lived at.

You like to hang out with children, which is

not necessarily weird in itself, but I don't

know. Yeah. I mean, the one thing that I more,

a little bit more so than the music that I always

loved about Michael Jackson was the videos. Oh

yeah. The videos were awesome. I mean, so, you

know, especially like thriller, like the first

time I saw the full length thriller, I was like,

That has to be one of the best made production

value music videos I've ever seen. Well yeah.

It scared me. I hit my mom. We used to have a

show called Video Hits on the CBC here in Canada

that my mom would watch because it was like the

top 10 countdown music videos of that week. And

they had the full, this one Halloween, they had

the full length trailer on and I watched it where

he starts morphing Into like the werecat in the

beginning there. I ran and hid behind the couch

because it freaked me out like that But keep

in mind. I was a child. Yes. Yes. I mean going

from there. I mean was it was that Joe Dante

that directed that or Possibly I don't remember

but I know that's cuz he worried this it's the

same that it did that worked on American werewolf

in London I don't remember. I honestly don't

I couldn't tell you because I don't have I don't

have it pulled up So but he came back like ten

years later, and I forget this song But he did

another like full like long form music video

with Michael Jackson Where and this is after

he added the vanilla and he was we're dressed

in like a fat suit and was like this cranky old

white mare Oh, yes stuff like Captain EO which

is another long form kind of mini movie. Sorry,

it's just Jackson always had this... then it's

an understatement to be sure is he had a flare

for the theatrical with his movies or with his

videos sorry videos yeah i mean yeah his his

music videos were yes it is to promote the year

yes a music video is to promote your song yes

it is to supposedly tell a story of that of those

song lyrics for the most part but his videos

were as i said very highly produced uh... very

well done uh... And they were they you know they

they played like they were many movies, and that

was just awesome I mean you know that was the

you know I've said this before I love it when

any artist Tells a story with their vit like

tells the story of the like God what's a good

song I can think of that does the store, okay?

I'm gonna go country cuz I know people are tired

of me referencing Nickelback Travis Tritt has

a song called When I Lost You. It's essentially

a story of a pregnant mother hitting her head

on a boat dock and she dies, but the daughter

survives. I love it when the music video tells

a story of what the song is saying versus just,

hey, here's our new video. Here's some branded

imagery. And it's us singing the song live. You

know, it's like, that's not, you know, a video

needs to tell the story of the song, not just,

hey, look at us, we're live. Yeah, no, and to

speak about country, like one of my favorite

country artists to listen to is, oh crap, you

know, I love it when I can actually, no, although

she is, you know, nice and hot. Who did the song?

I'll come back to it in a minute. Talk amongst

yourselves. So, Neil, you said you're a general

rock guy, but what specifically? What stuff do

you specifically listen to? Well, as you know,

I grew up in the 80s. had like a taste for Motley

Crue and ACDC and all those and I steadily started

going backwards where in the 90s I'm like picking

up Fog Hat CDs. People are just looking at your

record store and the thing is I really took an

interest in the 90s of like finding out where

these bands came from and like what influenced

what and I find that the backstory of rock and

roll is very interesting. I mean, it goes as

far back as to a guy by the name of Robert Johnson,

who wrote a lot of songs that you've heard of,

but you may not have actually heard of him. Specifically,

he wrote like, I don't know, the Terra Plain

Blues, and he wrote Sweet Home Chicago. He wrote

a couple other songs. It's escaping me at the

moment, but he's considered the grandfather of

rock and roll. And the thing is, not a lot of

people know much about his life. And even his

recordings, they had to kind of cobble it together

from the records that he released, which there's

only maybe 30 songs that he ever recorded. And

he influenced all these people. He influenced...

What's his name? Eric Clapton. He influenced

the Beatles, I'm sure. Long before Chuck Berry,

B .B. King, any of these guys, there was this

one guy. I was just looking him up this morning,

which is why I'm kind of babbling about it. I've

suddenly become a 70s rock guy. Like I said,

fog hat. old old Ted Nugent albums I have and

Yeah stuff like that basically and yeah I've

been going back like that a lot lately too is

just You know listening to the music of my youth

and a lot of the music that I listen to grow

up is what my mom my dad listened to So it's

just stuff. Like I said 80s is my decade for

music. It's because it was fun and it was entertaining,

and when people wanted to, they tried to get

politically active with their music. I think

the 80s, the best thing about music in the 80s

was that everyone had, and it was a case -by

-case basis at best, everyone seemed to have

an understanding that music can change the world

that doesn't necessarily have to do it every

time. No, and the artist I was thinking about

there, when you're talking about videos, was

Trace Adkins. Oh, yeah. Because he did stuff

like, well, there's a swing, which is, with the

videos, basically, he's like the groundskeeper

to ballpark during the spring training, and there's

like, you know, the baseball groupie there, and

all the baseball players are hitting on her,

and they're striking out, literally. One of my

favorite songs of his, and not... Not necessarily

I dislike the song. It's just the video was really

entertaining was called brown chicken brown cow

Well, you seen that one Steve constantly says

that Yeah, Steve Megatron keeps he he says that

all the time. He says oh god, so Well, no, it's

cuz it's like the brown chicken brown cow is

the brown chicken bound like that's where it

came from and that's half the reason I love this

song is that Trace Adkins did that but also the

fact that basically except for him all the characters

in the video are puppets they're like one step

removed from being muppets in the way they're

designed and all that and it's just entertaining

I mean that's the great thing about music videos

is like there's stuff like the band tool Yeah,

I seriously I'm not joking I cannot watch those

music videos because they creep me the hell out

But there is and it's just but there are other

like Be musicians like stuff like three doors

down. I love watching their videos because their

videos It's like a throwback to you stuff from

the 80s and 90s where the video reflects what's

going on in the song, right? You know, which

is the biggest Just can't watch if I see any

music video now. It's probably on the Disney

Channel That's only because I'm waiting for Phineas

and Ferb to come on It's I'm just saying but

yeah, it's just music videos. I loved And again,

like I said weird Al is probably one of the best

the one thing I was gonna ask you Neil like When

it comes to country, is there anything you like

you just kind of? Country is just kind of there

for me. It's I have a lot of friends that listen

to country, and I'm like, oh, I'm going to go

buy some hammers. Is that just going to be your

go -to thing now we start? It's a running gag.

Neil, what do you think about this subject? I'm

going to go buy some hammers. And I've lived

through some pretty bad stuff. I mean, like I

said, or like you guys were talking about earlier

about the 90s, about how music you know, kind

of became less fun. I mean, I started realizing

stuff was going wrong when REM came out with

Losing My Religion, and people were actually

liking it. I'm like, oh no, what is this? And

then stuff really got bad when... and Pat Boone

released a metal album. I was like, no, no. I

remember that. Wasn't it like the same year that...

I guess we could also bring up one of the worst,

one of the worst offspring songs ever, Pretty

Fly for a White Guy. That is the greatest song

ever, Mike. Don't you dare speak ill of it. No,

I will, no, that is, I'm just gonna recant that,

right? That is not the... That is far from the

best offspring song Although I did enjoy the

video and what stuns me about the video isn't

so much What goes on in there is the fact that

the douche they got to play the the wigger Went

on he got hired and he was like one of the last

VJs that they hired I think like he actually

was a VJ on MTV for the longest time You know,

that's the other thing kind of transitioning

a little bit, you know back into music video

thing is like Going back to get glue Get glue

had a sticker available last weekend or something

where I think it was Carrie Underwood or it was

somebody that was like CMT VJ for a day or whatever

it is. I don't even know VJs even Existed anymore

because once MTV got rid of actually putting

music on their channel You know the the art of

the VJ just went away immediately Yeah, I don't

know what to tell you man. It's just Like I remember

like I didn't watch a whole lot of MTV while

I was growing up, like when I started watching

MTV was pretty well almost well after they really

got away from the VJs thing in the mid 90s. I

grew up watching much music in Canada and the

great thing about that is basically the much

music set when you're talking to the VJs, it

was basically this big open space in the much

music building in Toronto, Ontario. You could

see like the cameras over there. They're shooting

a segment for another show or there's somebody

there's all these guys at these desks You're

doing research for stuff it I think it was like

much more open and a little bit more intimate

With with with the much music VG's because you

could see what was going on also The one thing

I loved about much music around not only were

the VJs accessible they had fun With a lot of

the shows like they did at least once or twice

a year. They would have a weird owl marathon

For like 24 hours where they would play every

soft and they would be still playing other music

videos But then they would throw in like two

or three weirdo videos Al would show up and take

over for a couple of hours and LTV yeah, he had

the Canadian version of LTV and One of the best

things in much music ever did is they were my

introduction to written stimpy Stimpy, I like

the show. I'm just saying that's where I got

where I was first introduced to them before we

got a satellite dish and I could watch Nickelodeon.

But just to go back to weird Al for a second.

It's my all his was my all time favorite Saturday

morning live action show. Yeah, because I mean,

come on, it's weird out. How could he not? I'm

surprised it took him until like the late 90s

to get it Kurt a Saturday morning show. Well,

it didn't you know weird out, you know, I'm a

steven I mentioned this in the spotlight episode

He didn't really get like he he had a 30 year

or so career. He didn't really get popular until

99 early 2000 like he like he was there. He was

making his mark, but like the popularity boom

For weird Al started in late 99 early 2000 when

oh god wasn't it's not running with scissors.

It was the other album Crap, I can't remember.

But yeah, no. His popularity would go up and

down. I mean, he got really big when he started

making fun of Michael Jackson's song. I remember

him being big, and my dad was like, ah, this

guy won't last. And then he went underground

for a little bit, and then he came back with

UHF. And whatever that album was where it had

the parody of the Nirvana cover on, that was

kind of a big thing. Oh, yeah, that was so off

the deep end. Yeah, no, that's even and just

you know to go back to elegant It's just he was

he's one of these guys that he's always gonna

be popular because everybody loves like he does

like you can't argue against him You'd be a fool

in a communist to do so Yeah, cuz I mean weird

Al it's like the reason he's still popular like

30 years after his debut and the dr. Demento

show What is the fact that he he hasn't really

changed his tune? and it's a I'm paraphrasing

Henry Rollins is he hate I hate it when Musicians

grow up and progress Yeah, and that's the one

thing that out while he has changed his tune

somewhat and a lot of his out Like his more recent

albums like apocalypse poodle hat running with

scissors. There's a lot more original songs on

there Yeah, then there are the parodies because

you remember you look at stuff like in 3d off

the deep end dare to be stupid Even those all

have some original stuff in it, but most of it

is parody and I mean that and you talk about

other artists who like stuff like Def Leppard

Motley Crue, you know two of my all -time favorite

bands their sound has matured somewhat specifically

Def Leppard as time has gone on, but they've

never really lost that fun, the funness, like

the fun part of their music. Yeah, no, they haven't.

Honestly, at the time, as a six -year -old who

got scarred by a certain movie that came out

that year, I didn't even know who was on the

soundtrack to that film, but... Dare to be Stupid

was the first introduction I ever had to Weird

Al, even though I didn't know who it was. Oh

no, I recognized the sound. The first time I

had heard that song in, you know, the darkest

moment of my childhood. Yes. I will freely admit,

I was like six when I saw it. I cried in the

theater when I saw that movie. Yes. Blowing up

Ultra Magnus really broke you up that much? Yes,

yes. Fuck you, Neil! I see this in jest screw

optimus prime. I was all about ultra Magnus now

fuck that noise I mean come on. Let's see how

stupid was ultra Magnus it took him two tries

to put the friggin matrix into his chest No,

it didn't take him two tries. It took him one

try, but the one try it was already there it

was a huge animation glitch because the matrix

when when he first picked it up when hot rod

first handed it to him and he has it in his hand

his chest is open you can see another matrix

inside his chest already so it was a huge animation

error I know, I was just trying to have fun there,

Mike. Although, to speak about Transformers is

like, how clueless were the Autobots? The young

Hot Rod picks up the Matrix and it glows somewhat

ominously. He gives it to all of us. I think

the glow is more for us, the audience, versus

Shadowing. But no, I love probably one of my

all -time favorite soundtracks, and yeah, because

of Stan Bush. So, and again, Stan's kind of lumped

him in with the Hall and Oates, like until, and

it wasn't with the episode that you and Dodd

did for him, but until like probably a year ago

when I listened to that first, the first interview

that I listened to that you did with him. I had

no idea that he had. Oh yeah, Stan's been doing

music for 30 plus years. And Stan really kind

of, he flies under the radar, but he also, he

takes ownership of being the guy that does the

Transformers songs when they ask him to do them.

But the one thing I hate about people who hate

on him is like, oh, I guess Stan Bush needs a

paycheck because here's a new Transformers song.

He has way... Look at the... Go listen to the

2010 Dream the Dream album. That entire album

is a positive message. It's upbeat. Yes, there

are a few love songs in it, but it's a great,

amazing album. I think the only time... Off of

that album that they used a song off there for

a Transformers video is Randall Nick and Dr.

Smoove put The song your time to one of their

animated videos And your time it fit with the

Transformers, but it's not a transformer song.

I just hate how people just assume Oh Stan Bush

that must mean we're getting a new transformer

song. You know, it's just Yeah, no, I can take

me off that I did like the fact that like one

of the things that I learned in that podcast

is the fact that Freaking Cobra Yeah Don't even

bring that up. Well, I just did I And not yes,

it works much better in transformers and I'm

pretty sure it was Cobra. Although you and Dodd

I don't think we're sure whether it was over

the top or or Cobra I mean I could see that I

could see the touch being in over the top it

it was supposed to be in Cobra as a certain host

beat over the top of my head he's like oh well

it's originally was supposed to be for Cobra

then they moved into Transformers but it's so

much better in Cobra no it's fucking not I'm

not saying it's better in Cobra but when I think

about like some of the scenes in that movie With

that song played over top. I'm just kind of like

I could see it although The best thing about

Cobra was that line at the end is like Well,

you wanted a different name other than Marion

Alice But that's neither here Yeah, no, I like

and I have gone and listened to a lot of Stan's

work on like YouTube I dig his stuff, but I mean

again, you know, it's kind of like I'm just not

in a rush to pick up his albums. Well, no, and

that's fine. I mean, you know, you don't have

to be in a rush to pick up the albums just as

long as you're educated to the point that, you

know, that neither he nor Hall and Oates are

one -hit wonders. Oh, no, no. I mean, yes, Stan

is mainly known for his work with Transformers

and, you know, all that stuff, but he is also

much more than that because... Okay, I'm sure

a couple of the transformer songs might have

won him an award but the first award I think

he ever really won was he won a daytime Emmy

for a song from guiding light that he did So

a soap opera won the dude an award. So there

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