Music of the 1980s Discussion

The Music Spotlight. Music of the 80's. Hot Wires

Reinhardt & Chuck Dawg 1999 episode 31, where

we will continue the epic music spotlight we

have planned here at GCR. I am one of your hosts,

Steve, Joe, and Mike, and joining me is Optobotamus.

Hello. Good evening. And that Transformers fan

who is stuck in with the army men that are articulated,

we have Chuck Dogg from What's On Joe Mind. Hello.

Mike, how you been, buddy? Long time no chit

chat. That's not necessarily a bad thing. Aw.

I get saved as either way. tonight the three

of us are going to be talking about bacon no

you're starting to start it you're starting to

turn into steve megatron optimus that's not funny

at all very good uh before you continue can we

just pause for a moment in honor of the occasion

that's before us no we're going to ignore it

completely tonight we're going to be talking

about what is arguably one of the best decades

in music in the 80s So Chuck, what have you been

up to? Not much. I've just I mean, I'm sure of

you see and I've been busting out a Jurassic

crap ton of reviews You did some transformer

stuff. Well, you know, it literally is what I

told you on Twitter It's like I had a literally

a stack of figures that I'm just trying to backs

up box up put away so I can decorate and You

know and I'm reviewing them, putting them away,

and you're seeing the results. The last video

where I almost took skin off of my fingers, that

was great. Hey, reviewing toys, it's a hobby,

but it's a dangerous one. Other than that, we've

been on the ... You know, what's on Joe mind

podcasts. We just been doing our thing, getting

stuff ready for next year. Um, have some really

awesome reviews lined up. We're trying to have

one really super awesome review lined up that

were. Cross all our fingers and toes will be

something that will be doable early in the next

year. Awesome. Awesome. What about you off the

bottom of this? What the hell have you been doing?

Um, um, Okay, he doesn't do anything ladies and

gentlemen, he's not a famous YouTube reviewer

This is not the podcast you're looking for. I'm

I don't do much of anything. I'm kind of quiet

You're kind of lazy kind of lazy kind of quiet.

Um, I kind of just slink off into the background,

you know, and nobody nobody pays any attention

to me and That's that's about it Yeah, so seriously,

what are you up to? Really really not too terribly

much. Nothing really exciting. I don't really

have anything exciting. Podcasting at its best,

ladies and gentlemen. I don't have anything to

tell you. I suck. This is exactly why you have

your own show where you can just say whatever

the hell you want, whenever the hell you want,

because half the time when we try to plan shit,

it never works out. That's very true. Yes. So.

I just I mean getting ready for the holidays.

I mean as of as of today. We're ten days away

from Christmas I'm five days away from Hanukkah

because my wife is Jewish. So we have to do that

So that's that's really about it just getting

ready for the holidays busy doing that and Trying

to every now and then whenever I can get some

actual work done luckily I have a backlog of

stuff already recorded that I can be lazy and

not have to worry too much about busting something

out. I think someone's head's going to explode

if you don't get that HA soundwave review up.

Everybody's been asking you about that. You know,

I told you this, I told you this the other day.

I was rewatching. I already had it recorded.

I had it recorded like a month ago or so. Not

that long ago, but a long time ago. Was rewatching

it the other day just because there was when

I was recording it there wasn't I didn't feel

too happy about the transformation part that

I did so I went back and I rewatched it and I

knew that I didn't like it even when I was editing

it but it's like I don't want to deal with this

it's a 26 minute long video I'm like, I don't

want to have to redo it and I would have to redo

all of it and Finally after a week of just fighting

with myself back and forth I just said fuck it

I'm gonna delete this so I deleted it so now

I gotta go and re -shoot a whole brand new one

so oh well wait doesn't this mean you probably

have to go out and buy another version of it

because you don't have the in -package images

anymore well that part that part's fine I'll

just I'll just carry that over I mean that's

oh okay quick two second or no not two second

usually about a two minute bit Which that that's

that's no big deal. I mean I can just I can just

use that from the old thing I still have the

uh the raw footage and stuff in my camera that

I use Oh, I got it. I just deleted the final

version. So right But yeah, there are people

that want that which Eh, whatever. I mean the

biggest problem is that one. It's the uh It's

the japanese version. So it's like it's pointless

to even do it because you guys can't buy that

one Well, you can but kids aren't going to Yeah,

yeah Alright, so we are gonna take a musical

break, which I'll probably go to jail for and

we'll be back hopefully after this At least for

me, what is one of the best decades for music,

which is the 80s? I'm going to start with Chuck.

What did you love most about the 80s as far as

the music goes? Well, I think the biggest thing

for me was that it was sound as well as visual.

I mean, let's not forget the 1980s was the birth

of MTV. You now had moving images to go with

the songs you were hearing on the radio. You

know, I mean, not to say that we didn't before

that, but now with MTV, we had it in an accessible

format. You know, let me ask you, Mike, and I'll

even ask you, Paul, did you guys over the summer

happen to catch when VH1 Classic re -aired the

first hour of MTV, day one? I don't get VH1 Classic.

do but I didn't watch it I have heard I heard

about it when when it was happening but I didn't

actually partake in watching it sadly. It was

actually gonna say it was very unique because

you know a lot of the stuff we take for granted

now a 24 hour channel cutting from taped footage

to live footage you know in 1980 that was still

very new. or I should say like 1981, that was

still relatively new. People were using 70s technology

still at that point and it was really a pioneering

effort. Some people said it made the music better,

some people say and have said in the past that

it made the music worse and I think that's really

up to a person's own judgment. Yeah, um let's

get Probably what at least in music the biggest

moment in 1980 that happened in music sadly John

Lennon Left this world That was just shocking

for everybody well the Beatles came in and It

it was I mean I I can the only way I can even

equate this. Imagine now if Justin Bieber was...

God knows I don't want anything to happen to

him. I mean, I wouldn't mind terribly if it happened

to a doll of his. Wait a second. Hold on. Before

you finish this, are you preparing to compare

something happening to Justin Bieber to when

and getting shot? Yes, because regardless of

what you think, Justin Bieber has a ridiculously

large following just like the Beatles did that's

my that's my analogy for you and okay and Justin

Bieber being taken out you would have wrongs

of girls freaking out and going into mass hysteria

and You know, it's the same sort of thing that

we saw with John Lennon now Obviously, there's

a ridiculous difference in terms of the music

quality that came up. Yeah, you think? But, you

know, I mean, even using something that maybe

is even a little bit more close to, you know,

talent -wise, even though a lot of people find

him controversial and a lot of people don't like

him. I mean, look at how things went absolutely

insane when Michael Jackson died. I mean, that's

the only other kind of parallel that I can draw

with that. These men, and unfortunately, I say

Justin Bieber too, but... I can't even say it,

because you've got to look at it through the

looking glass of time that Michael Jackson has

had an impact on the musical scene, just like

John Lennon did. I don't think Justin Bieber

will ever do that, so maybe Justin Bieber isn't

a very good analogy. Exactly. The point was that

he has a huge following. I probably should have

used Michael Jackson from the beginning. I didn't

think of that in time, but I mean that really

is you know these are two people that and John

Lennon first that you know they changed the landscape

of music they changed how music was and Speaking

of you know television you know and things of

that nature that Obviously Michael Jackson came

into that and was able to utilize that but to

kind of touch on what Chuck was talking about

you know with the music video scenes and you

know you had MTV making their debut when you

had the introduction of BJ's and how music in

my opinion really did kind of change because

now it wasn't just words I mean now there were

images that were going along with it and now

when I think of for example Billie Jean I picture

Michael Jackson walking down the street with

the sidewalk lighting up now that's a mental

image I have because of the music because of

the music video. Now, you think back to even

further back with 70s, 60s, 50s music, you had

to create your own image in your mind. And because

of that, you would then take the lyrics and it

would mean something differently for yourself.

Now, when you see a music video, the artist pretty

much tells you what the song is about and what

you should be thinking as opposed to us thinking

it ourselves. But John Lennon really did change

the face of music along with the Beatles and

that from that time on everything everything

really did change. I think with John Lennon and

I think we I may have mentioned this on the 70s

show but you had from two decades worth of artists

70s and 80s who were directly influenced by the

Beatles music as it was happening. Paul, I've

got to tip my hat to you because I think you're

giving the kids of today a little too much credit

saying if something should happen to Justin Bieber,

there would be the level of outpouring and mourning

as there was for John Lennon or Michael Jackson.

do something like that. I think it'll be a day

of tears, and it's like move on to something

else. I think that's more along the lines that

kids nowadays don't have an attention span worth

a damn. I think we should stop before we start

saying, well, back in my day. But it's funny,

talking about John Lennon, I was one year old,

so I obviously have no memories of him dying.

I have no memories of the Beatles music. I didn't

learn about them until much later on. In fact,

I didn't know of the Beatle members until discovering

them individually through their solo careers,

George Harrison, Paul McCartney, and to a lesser

extent, Ringo Starr, that it was a point like,

oh, you mean Paul McCartney and George Harrison

were in a band with that guy who was playing

drums in Tom Petty's video? Interesting. Were

they any good, you know? Six year old for me

when it comes to like yeah, I am this way I was

born the year he died So I didn't know like I

didn't experience the emotion as it happened

obviously But by the time I was six seven years

old 86 87 I knew who the Beatles were I knew

the music cuz my mom listened to it all the time.

Yeah, so And that's where I think I mean, you

know, that's where I think you really get a gauge

of these icons that came around a lot in, you

know, from, you know, the 80s and things of that

nature. But John Lennon, I mean, obviously, I'm

the oldest one of the three of us. So I was,

you know, whopping two years old when John Lennon

died. And two years and a month because he died

in December, I think, didn't he? I remember I

remember something like that. I think it was

like December. I could be wrong. But We all hear

about John Lennon through other people. And that's

how we, as 30 -year -old people, that's how we're

introduced to him. And that's the staying power

of that music, that we can listen to something

from John Lennon, who was famous in the 60s and

70s and into the later part of the 80s. We're

able to enjoy that. Now, Justin Bieber, My kids

are not going to know who the frick Justin Bieber

is. Amen. You know, but I mean, we sure as hell

knew who John Lennon was. Yeah. I mean, I think

part of the reason why, you know, people of our

generation knew The Beatles, knew John Lennon,

knew, you know, George Harrison, Ringo Starr,

Paul McCartney is, you know, I look at the 80s

as the end of the golden era of FM radio. I mean

there was in New York we had CBS FM 101 .1 that

played the music of the 50s and 60s, the doo

-wop. I mean I know doo -wop bands and soul singers

that nobody else even my age would know because

that's what my parents listened to. You had you

know modern rock stations that I mean we didn't

have classic rock stations because the modern

stations at the time they would play Motley Crue,

George Harrison, Madonna, Michael Jackson, alongside

Led Zeppelin, Hall and Oates, and, you know,

Seals and Croft. And see, that's where I said

back in the 70s episode where a lot of my favorite

artists that got started in the 70s, like Elton

John, like Hall and Oates, really didn't come

into fame in the 80s. Because, as you just said,

Chuck, really classic rock stations like, you

know, Going back in time obviously have more

precedence today Than they did back then because

at that point you didn't really have classic

rock. I mean you can rock and roll Exactly. Yeah,

exactly. I mean classic rock didn't exist that

You know so as far as John Lennon you are correct.

It was December actually as of this recording

it was Eight days previous to this so December

8th 1980 is when he passed away interesting interesting

yes um for me as far as how you know what I loved

about growing up in the 80s as far as the music

goes was you know you had all Michael Jackson

stuff I love man in the mirror I don't know why

I just I love that song it's a good song you

know As much as I mean, I don't mean to interrupt

you. Well, yeah, I do. Fuck you. What? Whatever.

You know, as like I said, as controversial as

Michael Jackson is, there's no doubt that he

made good music. Yeah, there's no. The way I

view Michael Jackson is there's Michael Jackson,

the musician, and then there's Michael Jackson

after the music. Yeah. You know, I mean, I never

paid any attention to, you know, of course I

saw it on the news because that's what was happening

at the time as far as the scandals and all that

stuff. I didn't pay any attention to that as

long, you know, I don't care what artists and

bands do in their personal lives. Well, I care

when when the allegations are of them sleeping

with little boys. But I mean, OK, well, I know

what you're saying. I know what you're saying.

OK, what I'm saying is. What happens in their

personal lives is not going to change my opinion

of the music that they've made. That's really

my point here. My analogy to that would be when

I was growing up, you mentioned Elton John. And

we're going to talk about our favorite artists

later on. Elton John is my all time favorite

performer, period. And I used to get a lot of

flack when I was in high school and middle school

because he was gay. And one of the things that

I always said is like, show me a song where Elton

John straight up comes out and says that, you

know, sings about anything about men making out

with men or women making out with women. It doesn't

matter what he does in his personal life. I mean,

the stuff that they put out is still good. Yeah.

And he never wrote his own lyrics, but that's

neither of them there. Well, that too. That too.

For me, bands like Wang Chung, like Tears for

Fears, artists like Billy Joel, Elton John. For

me, I love all those bands and artists. As Paul

said for him, Elton John is his favorite. For

me, it's Hall & Oates. I've followed those two

guys since I was able to know what music was.

It was probably three or four years old at the

time. And I've followed their entire career as

far as what they've done musically, pretty much.

I followed some of the personal stuff, but Darrell

Hall and John Holtz aren't two guys that want

to jump into the limelight. As far as their obviously

their personal lives back and that's the other

thing with the 80s Really the 80s in the 90s.

Well in 90s it was changing but in the 80s You

focused on the music or is in the night like

in the late 90s to now You're focused on. Oh,

hey, I like that song with that by that artist

But what controversy it are they stirring up

today? You know, paul has mentioned several times

Justin Bieber and that whole thing and whatever

else and all all these controversies that come

up with today's artists and oh Amy Winehouse

passed away because of she was going through

alcohol withdrawals or something like you know

I don't pay attention to that and back in the

80s I don't think anybody really paid attention

to that stuff because we were focused on the

music well it started to come up in the 80s I

mean, the best analogy I can give you is Babe

Ruth, the baseball player. You know, the papers

back during Babe Ruth's day would report that,

hey, Babe Ruth hit three home runs today, Yankees

won. Showed up at the stadium just in time to

take his at -bat because they found him Passed

out in the gutter because he was out drinking

her carousing the night before In the 80s, you

know, you started to get it where you know, and

I'll use Darrell strawberry, you know Hey this

guy just you know pitched a perfect game and

then the next week, you know He's being suspended

from the team because he was found rushed to

a hospital from a cocaine overdose. Or maybe

it was Dwight Good. It was one of them. Dwight

Good was the pitcher. Darrell wasn't he found

with prostitutes or something like that? He had

a coke problem as well. Then he had the dual

reporting. Nowadays, it's strictly just the gossip

and tabloids. I think that's what's hurt the

music. Paul said earlier his kids aren't going

to remember Justin Bieber. I'll say it right

now. I don't think any artist from the 1990s

on is going to be remembered 50 years after we're

dead. But those people will still be listening

to The Beatles, Elvis Presley, Queen, Zeppelin,

and what have you, if they're still around. Yeah.

Now, I don't know. What about you, Paul? How

did it... You mentioned Elton John, but as far

as what did you love about growing up in the

80s as far as the music goes? You know, the 80s

was such a liberating time. Now, you know, the

country as a whole, I mean, think about it. We

had just gotten out of the Vietnam War. And,

you know, that that really changed the face.

I mean, going even back further, I mean, obviously.

You know, you have all these controversies that

happen around these musical people. Everybody

loves Jerry Lewis, except for the fact that most

people don't remember that he was a little bit

of a sick bastard who was having sex with his

cousin. You know, most people don't remember

this kind of stuff. But it's what is given to

us, you know, in terms of print. The Vietnam

War really came around and televised everything

and really kind of changed. the landscape of

how things are given to us and you know then

we come into the 1980s and we have you know the

whole music video explosion and it was all liberating

where you could get a group of really talented

men who can sing terrific songs but dress up

as dress up in drag and still be popular I mean,

obviously, I'm talking about Twisted Sister.

Now, these things where it was so liberating.

That's the one thing when I think of the 80s

and music in general, it was liberating. It was

balls out. It was open for everything. There

was there wasn't anything that you really needed

to hold back. I mean, here we had, you know,

I mean, talking controversy and things of that

nature. I mean, one of the biggest controversial

stars of the 1980s would be Madonna. We could

do a whole podcast just on her controversial

stuff that happened in the 80s, but everything

was out there. For me, when I think back, now

obviously I was a lot younger in the 80s. I was

growing up in the 80s, and musically... I was

more influenced by older stuff because, as you

guys were saying, that we listened to what our

parents listened to. And that's where we get

a lot of, you know, my dad's favorite artist

of all time was Alice Cooper and Alice Cooper,

Led Zeppelin and Deep Purple. I mean, those were

the groups that. My dad listened to so I got

I got to listen to I got that aspect of my musical

taste and then with my mom came Elvis and Buddy

Holly and Whoever I mean anybody else around

that, you know the big bopper, you know things

like that that so that's where my other thing

in and then so just growing up being surrounded

by all that music and then getting all this 80

stuff coming in and A lot of it. Let's face it

a lot of 80 stuff was hair hair hair bands and

it was just a great time. It was coming in at

a perfect time, I think. If the music of the

80s came in in the 90s, I don't think it would

have worked. No, not at all. Because the 90s

was a completely different time. We say 80s music,

I mean, obviously it was in the 80s, but that

music that came out in that decade, was a perfect

fit for that decade. It just was perfect. And

that that technology that came out in the decade,

you know, the birth of the synthesizer, you know,

all that stuff, you know, that with the way music

evolved from the 80s into the 90s, there's no

way that that would have worked in the 90s. But

it works for the 80s because of the way the sound

was. You know, you had rock and roll, you had

New Wave, you had all this stuff. And the impact

that music, the music industry had in the 80s

was just amazing. I know a lot of people that

I'll ask them, what's your favorite decade of

music? And most of them will say the 60s and

70s because it was more of a pure time. I'll

ask them okay well what about the 80s and they're

like I kind of checked out then and didn't really

care for it and whereas me you know well I respect

and I love the stuff that my mom listened to

and I you know I love a lot of those old songs

as well but for me growing up listening to all

of the 80s artists you know that was my music

everything musically everything is based on you

know previous people So we would not have the

80s if we didn't get the 70s and the 60s. Oh,

right. I totally agree. I totally agree. I mean,

so unfortunately, people like Justin Bieber,

they get their influence from people from the

2000s. And the people in the 2000s got theirs

from the 90s. So it all just adds up. I mean,

there's no denying. The 80s music had a huge

impact on the industry and it was just an awesome,

awesome time. Let me just put this thought out

here. It's quite possible Justin Bieber was procreated

to the soundtrack to an 80s love ballad. So we

might have, our generation might have created

something that created that. Or had a hand in

creating that. I'll just throw that out there.

I'd rather watch horrible American Idol washouts

than watch that kid. But anyway... Now, if I

could, I just want to piggyback off of something

Paul said. See, when it comes to music, I have

what's called the sibling approach. In the 80s,

you had the younger siblings of the children

of the 70s coming of age. You figure they saw

their older siblings fighting with their parents,

causing strife in the household. So with them

being teenagers, they just want to have fun.

They just want something that's a good time.

And that was the 80s music. And then you had

their younger siblings, the younger siblings

of kids from the 80s, they just saw their what

they felt their older siblings wasting their

life away, you know, causing strife for their

families. They thought everything was wonderful,

but it wasn't. And then that led into the 90s

grunge explosion and things of that nature. So,

you know, that's how I look at it. And, you know,

Mike, I did want to say one thing. The synthesizer

came in the set was created in the 70s, actually

goes back even to the late 60s. What was very

important in the 80s, it became affordable. That's

the big word Casio keyboards those were like

I think I want to say the first mass market retail

keyboard Right, but one I I mean I actually have

two I got one in a larger scale when I got in

the 90s But you know it right, but you don't

see You don't see keyboardists in the bands from

the 60s and the 70s. You saw it starting in the

80s Well, I think I would say that see them as

featured members. Because you did see them in

the 70s and 60s. I mean, Rick Wakeman, you know,

he was the keyboard player for Yes. John Lord,

organist and keyboard player for Deep Purple.

So I would say with bands in the 80s, they became

much more prominent. Right. Yeah. Paul mentioned

earlier, Twisted Sister, and we can't have an

80s episode without talking about the hair metal.

It's an interesting thing with hair metal, and

I know we're going to do our own special show

on heavy metal, but I think we have to take a

step back. We have to look at what's called the

new wave of British heavy metal. By the late

1970s, you had the Forefathers, Black Sabbath,

Deep Purple, Rainbow. They basically were starting

to change their sound. Sabbath was and rainbow

were starting to use orchestras Deep purple with

the mark 3 lineup and mark 4 lineup have went

into a more funkier sound So you had the kids

growing up saying well, you know, and then you

had the punk movement and You know and that was

sweeping across England, but you had the kids

saying it's like well, that's all noise I mean,

I play guitar. I play guitar real well, you know

Where's that sound where's you know the dual

guitars the the heavy stuff and so you had all

these new bands Saxton Judas Priest Iron Maiden

Machine head Actually not machine head. I'm probably

can't think of their name, but you know these

guys coming up that You know and all they were

doing is well. Let's play everything that we

can play it a little faster a little louder That

way we'll get noticed And that took over the

world. But eventually what had happened was in

America, you had that new wave of British heavy

metal coming over. You had the kids here listening

to it. And they were like, well, this is great.

Scorpions, Judas Priest were really like real

forefathers because they were around in the 70s.

But then at the same time, you had them listening

to glam bands who were They were pretty, but

they had like the heavy edge. So, you know, and

I hate the phrase hair metal. I honestly do.

I mean, pop metal, glam metal, because it's like

artists get lumped in as being a hair band when

they're clearly not. It's like, yeah, I guess

I'm hair metal because I have hair, but. And

it really came from the West Coast, California.

Thank you, California. So it's all California's

fault. Don't even! Don't even! And that's when

you got the bands like Motley Crue, Poison, Cinderella.

Well, actually, Cinderella was an East Coast

band. They came out of Boston. But they were

taking those heavy sounds but adding the... Flare

and pump of the glam bands from the 1970s Yeah

Hmm That'll teach you a lesson won't it TMT one

mic Shut the hell up out to bottom us. I mean

hair metal is a is a you know widely used term

Cirrus XM radio their 80s metal station is called

hair nation so even they use it so it's like

you know I mean it's just something that you

know you can say glam rock you can say pop rock

you can say you know punk but hair metal was

really you know what a lot of these bands like

poison like twisted sister like crap Brown got

kiss You know a lot of those bands I think I

think what Chuck is basically saying that it's

unfair that Because a lot of people when it comes

down to it the hairstyle of everybody in the

1980s was long goofy looking hair so every music

person because they had long goofy hair, I mean

Shit, I mean, Elton John, if he had hair, probably

would have had long, goofy hair, and, unfortunately,

probably wouldn't. And it's not even just long,

goofy hair. It's also, you know, big hair, where

it's, you know, permed. Yeah, but, I mean, that

was the thing. It's permed up, like, five feet

off their head. But that was the style. I mean,

that was the style. So anybody who sang during

the 80s kind of gets grouped up into that. Yeah,

I think it's something we were touching upon

earlier with MTV being the visual representation

of the music. You see it on MTV, you're going

to see it on the streets. How do you get noticed?

Well, my hair has got to be that much bigger.

My makeup has to be that much louder and colorful

on my face. And I'll say this. You know these

the the quote -unquote hair metal bands, you

know, they had their time. They had their fun

meanwhile the more I would say serious heavy

metal bands like Dio Black Sabbath Iron Maid

Judas Priest You know, they were like, okay,

but they you know, the the hair metal band sold

five million albums You know the guys behind

them were selling, you know, four million albums

selling out just as many arenas and stadiums

and then when the 90s came around those guys

got swept out but meanwhile yeah the you know

the straight metal guys were like yeah you know

we're we may have lost America but we still have

you know the rest of the world yeah yeah that's

a very good point I mean Mike you and I were

talking about this before you know about artists

who have the ability to evolve and oh yeah stay

relevant and that that's kind of like what Chuck

was touching on right there I mean if you know

sure okay you could you could do the hair thing

and that's gonna that's gonna get you XML but

then when the 90s roll around and that hair stuff

goes out of the way you you either need to evolve

or you're dead and I mean I mentioned this before

you know one of the masters of evolution and

keeping certain musical sounds relevant would

I mean I would personally say would be a Madonna

I mean she is you know made a career out of constantly

changing her look and staying relevant to whatever

and I mean she she was guilty of having the big

hair in the 80s as well yeah but yeah I died

I mean yeah I mean that's that's just one of

those things and it's it's a product the the

80s is such a product of its own time because

you know as you were saying paul about people

evolving and going through to you know even to

today really it's not even the artist evolving

it's which is kind of sad but it's the celebrity

of the artist and it's hollywood in general wanting

to recapture what happened in the 80s where you'll

have you know See, I know where you're going

with this, but I don't necessarily think... I

think that happened more in the 90s. No, no,

no. It's happening more now. I can count at least

20 different car commercials that use 80s songs

for promotion. That's now, though. That's not

then. Well, no, no, no. That's what I'm saying.

You have artists that can evolve... But what

has happened since the 80s, it's more so not

the artist evolving and changing with the times,

it's more of them fading. And then Hollywood

coming in and bringing back one of their most

famous songs or something like that and using

it in a commercial or something like that. You

know Paul it's good that you mentioned that because

you know Mike from what you were saying How many

times are you seeing these car commercials and

yeah, they're using an 80 song, but it's not

by the original artist It's a cover by a more

contemporary artist Yeah, there are a lot of

I mean you get a lot of That's one thing that

always has kind of bugged me when you get people

that are trying to capitalize on other people

by remaking songs and I'm not a big fan of remakes.

Well, the other thing is that because you know,

there's also this stigmata. I'm sorry, not stigmata,

stigma. of being an 80s artist. A stigmata? What?

Yeah, the stigmata. They're like, oh, they're

the blessed one. But there's a stigma from being

an 80s artist. And a lot of times what it comes

down to is, let's say the car commercial I'm

thinking of right now featured the song Major

Tom, which was a remake sequel to David Bowie's

Space Odyssey. The original came out in the 1980s.

There was a remake done recently that was featured

in a Mercury car ad. And really what it came

down to is if they would have used the original

80s artist, no one would have really taken it

seriously because he's from the 80s, he's from

that decade. So they went with the remix because

really what they wanted was the lyrics because

the lyrics is what worked in that commercial.

And I know that's happened quite a few times.

Yeah But you know, I want to throw this out to

both of you guys because we were talking about

Madonna like I would say one of the most controversial

things I can remember of all the things she did

that I can remember Madonna doing Was rolling

around in a wedding dress on? At the MTV Video

Music Awards and and it's just that you know

all the stuff that Madonna did which seems so

came today I mean to get a rise out of someone.

I mean is she you know, did that today, it would

be considered one of the worst performances in

MTV Video Music Award history. She would have

to like, rip that off, the dress off, and be

rolling around in nothing but like a rose -colored

G -string or something to get the same kind of

reaction. Exactly. That's, I mean, Mike, Mike

and I have talked about this before, you know,

talking about movies, for example, that movies

that came out in the 1980s, like for example,

Just throwing it out there terminator 2 which

was rated r um, well that came out in the 90s,

but The point remains that that I mean that movie

came out Beverly Hills cop 2. Okay, Beverly Hills

one or two. Okay. Yeah, um, both of those movies

are rated r If they were to come out today Uh,

well I'm trying to think if Eddie Murphy dropped

the f -bomb in either. Yeah, he did Yeah, you

know that would have been taken out of the movie

But, they would be rated, they'd basically be

Beverly Hills Cop 3. Is what you would basically

get. You know, because everything now is completely

desensitized. I mean, you watch Nightmare on

Elm Street. It's rated R. If that came out today,

kids, you know, my 13 year old niece laughs at

those movies. We watched, you know, when she

came down from my wedding, we watched part of

Halloween. And... Michael Myers scared the shit

out of me when I was a kid. She's laughing at

it I'm like that's because that's simply because

over time we as Americans we as an entire nation

on the entire planet have seen so much bad shit

happen exactly that and that's what we are so

desensitized to anything at the like No, I agree,

but that's what I'm saying is that you know,

that's what Chuck was talking about that Madonna

would literally have to roll around half naked

Screaming out an orgasm on the stage in order

to pop what she did in the 1980s You know or

or or using Madonna still, you know come out

on stage and tongue kiss Britney Spears Yeah,

it was nothing it wasn't even like a thimble

full of the reaction she got in the 80s. Oh,

no Well, I mean it I think the reason was because

of that was didn't didn't nipple gate happened

before the Madonna Britney thing. Oh, I honestly

don't I think nipple gate was after see now the

problem with the Madonna Britney thing is everybody

got mad at MTV because they cut away to Justin

Timberlake to get his reaction. And they completely

missed Madonna turning and tongue kissing Christina

Aguilera, who at the time was like 100 times

hotter than Britney Spears. Yeah. But should

I not mention the fact that I can't watch Nightmare

on Elm Street without wearing an adult diaper

now? That's the movie still squares the crap

out of me, literally. Yeah, it's still that we

still watch it and we still draw on those old

memories and stuff. But I mean, I mean, yeah,

I mean, you know the Madonna thing it would I

mean it wouldn't even be a drop in the bucket

now if she did that but during the 80s during

that time and as much as I was saying that things

were You know very expressive and wide open You

know that that being said it allowed her the

freedom to do that kind of stuff But it was still

kind of taboo at the time and not much nowadays

is taboo No, not at all not unless you go to

an underground sex club, which I'm sure Alright

so switching gears again, we are going to talk

about a genre of music that I respect what it's

done for music, but it's not something I will

listen to. And it's probably not something you're

going to hear about a lot in this countdown,

not countdown, in this music spotlight here on

GeekCast Radio, which is the 80s really gave

way, gave birth to rap music. You know, Sir Mix

a lot, Run DMC. What? That was the 90s. No, it

wasn't there mix a lot with the 90s dude, okay,

maybe so but run DMC was the 80s Public enemy

NWA Yeah We're probably not gonna spend a lot

of time I look at it differently I don't I don't

necessarily look at I don't look at it as rap

I Rap is what I think of when I think of like

dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg All right. Well, that's

more gangsta Gangsta rap, but oh well that's

90s. Yeah, I think more I think back to that

kind of stuff more as uh is I don't even want

to I don't even know if I should call it hip

-hop It is it. Well, it's it's it is but I mean,

it's it's I Don't know I mean, it's it's such

a it's such a weird. I mean, I don't like necessarily

thinking of it as rap because I think of rap

as something different, I guess. OK, well, all

right. Well, let's put it this way. The 80s gave

birth to the genre of hip hop music and break

dancing. Well, you can break dance to a Wang

Chung song, you could break dance to anything.

Well, I think, you know, with rap, it's like.

It really reminds me of how the roots of rock

and roll and R &B started, the spirituals of

the oppressed people at the time who happened

to be the African American slaves. They would

sing and then that came on and people started

putting instruments to it and went from there

with the harmonies. In the 80s, before I was

talking about the younger brother and sister,

you had the people like in Compton, California,

in Harlem, New York who had a scrape together

just to have enough money for food that day,

let alone what was going to happen tomorrow.

You had the drug crisis, kids getting shot in

the streets. These artists were seeing that day

every day some of them that was their lives that

was how they survived you know and the and rap

really was their stories you know you had public

enemy talking about 9 -1 -1 as a joke because

the cops don't want to help the black man. The

cops don't want to help the black mother whose

child just got shot. They don't care. And unfortunately,

I can't tell you what NWA stands for, but it's

not National Wrestling Alliance. Their song,

Straight Outta Compton. Paul, you mentioned Dr.

Dre. That was his group. Dr. Dre, EZE, MC Ren.

um ice cube ice cube i mean these guys you know

what they were telling you this was like poetry

with a beat this was their lies and you know

the fact that it found you know national appeal

that it was stuff that even white people could

relate to you know i don't think we i think we're

probably not going to say what nwa stands for

but i think if we did people would not get pissed

at us because that was the name of the band Yeah,

but you know that that was the name of the group,

you know finish your thought one thing that one

thing I was gonna say is you know and hanging

around with, you know, I come from like that

hard rock background. I've always said, you know,

NWA is as hard, is as heavy as any heavy metal

band of the day. I mean, heck, I mean, one thing

that came out of the eighties was that rap rock,

you know, combination. I mean, really it took

off more in the nineties with Anthrax working

with Public Enemy. But I mean, you had that.

And I think another big difference was, is that

You know, in the 80s, the rap artists, I really

look at them as musicians because a lot of times

they were performing live with full bands because,

you know, they had that kind of stuff. Or at

least the DJs, you know, you watch the guy, what

he's doing with his hands when he's done, he's

lost 100 pounds just in sweat. Yeah, that's true.

You know, yeah. I mean, oh, no, they're they're

amazing artists. They're amazing performers.

And I I give them that credit is just. It's just

not my yeah, it's not because I mean We've never

really suffered the way they did III would think

and I think one thing we have to say about rap

music the most important thing Without rap music

I don't think we would have we would have Aerosmith

today because what brought Aerosmith back was

that crossover with run DMC I agree. I agree

entirely. Yeah, I mean that that really kind

of Save their save their ass, but I mean during

that and you know, that's When you when you when

you talk you see I there's more of an innocence

to Some hip hop. I mean, it's almost like there's

like two different eras of hip hop that took

place in the 80s and Yeah, you got the very you

know, happy -go -lucky Beastie boys, you know

which, I mean, that's kind of just like fun and

it's good to tap your feet to. I mean, that's,

you know, that's just, you know, kind of, I mean,

that's rap, but it's, you know, lay back and

then it was pop music. Yeah. But I mean, it was

still, I mean, by, you know, with the rhymes

that they were using and how they were singing

it, it was still coming across as very rap like.

And, you know, I mean, then you then you get

some crazy hard stuff and You know that then

it then it just gets angry that I guess that's

my biggest problem with rap is You know a lot

of a lot of their you know You know and this

kind of goes with old gangster rap like I suppose

you know where things just got angry and Yeah,

you know obviously we don't we didn't live through

that and we didn't live through the violence

and you know of living in inner cities and things

of that nature and the turmoil that we have to

you know deal with but Hell, I grew up in Detroit,

so I know what it's like to, you know, grow up

in a shit area, and that's fine, but it just,

I don't particularly care for it just because

it's a lot of, and not all of it, absolutely

not all of it, but there's a lot of it that,

in my mind, is very disrespectful towards a lot

of people. Women being one of the largest things

that... some of the music has pointed their fingers

at and disrespected and you know objectified

and things of that nature and that's that's the

type of rap that I'm not a big huge fan of that's

where it kind of gets away from me and loses

my interest but I can still listen to you know

one DMC or LL Cool J you know even you know who

I think that he was around in the 80s too I think

You know, I mean, I can still listen to those

guys and I can still have fun with it, you know,

and enjoy it. But then I, you know, then listen

to, you know, NWA and it's like, oh, you guys

are just mad. And they don't have a legitimate

reason for it, but it just doesn't appeal to

me. They make you scared, don't you? They scare

me. They scare me. They scare you because they're

going to come after you. They're going to change

your way of life. I'm the white man. They might

be coming after me because I'm the white man

trying to keep you down. Yeah, exactly. I might

pop a cap in my hand. I am so flashing to higher

learning at this point. Anyway, so moving on

to what is probably the last topic of this episode.

This will be one that we kind of talk about in

depth is Kind of moving to today. What 80s artists

do you guys listen to the most now because I

find myself Outside of like certain bands that

I've followed for the last 10 12 years That's

kind of started the 90s of get going on to today.

I mainly listen to the old 80s music at this

point So Chuck what what are some of the 80s

artists or bands that you? Really still listen

to today all the time that you can listen to

at any time. Um, well, you know, it's really

funny because Mean there artists that were around

in the 80s, but I didn't listen to them then

it's like I like like I'll take Iron Maiden I

really didn't start listening to Iron Maiden

till about 10 years ago 10 11 years ago same

thing with Judas Priest You know I mean of course

right at the top of the list has to be Queen,

but I mean that you know goes without saying

But it's like I mean looking at my CD collection

you have Asia you have Def Leppard and I mean,

Def Leppard, yes, that was a group that I did

listen to in the 80s, but not nearly as heavily

as I do now. Bon Jovi, same thing. Like Journey,

Journey was a band, I did not know a single song

of theirs from the 1980s, but I got watching

VH1, I got into them, and that's when I started

buying their stuff. So it's weird. It's like

I'll listen to a song and I'll get the nostalgia

feeling, but in the back of my mind I'm saying,

you didn't know this song until five years ago.

Really, I'm not having nostalgia for the song,

I'm just having a nostalgia for the time that

it existed in. That's the thing, it's hysterical.

Yeah, and then there's a ton of other obscure

80s metal bands that I listen to now that I just

recently discovered. What about you, Paul? As

you asked me that question, I pulled up my iTunes

and I'm flipping through here and almost everyone

on here, I would probably say 90 % of this are

groups that had something from the 80s. I'm looking

through some of it and I mean obviously we can

we could go all day do some of the ones that

Obviously were one -hit wonders, but you know,

there's a lot of ones that are on here that have

staying power. I mean, I Really? I really don't

have anybody specifically. I mean it's It's a

huge I'm looking to you. I mean I got journey

I got Kenny Loggins Let's see What do we have?

I don't know, Kid Rock. He's definitely not there.

You know, but Lionel Richie. I mean, come on,

Lionel Richie Paul. What the hell am I thinking?

No, I know. But I mean, you know, it's it's just

it's a lot of fun just looking through this and

seeing. I mean, there's a whole bunch of Michael

Jackson, Moody Blues. There are bands that existed

through different times that carried over and

had songs in the 80s, but Chuck didn't mention

it. There's a lot of one -hit wonders that came

out with hugely popular songs that existed in

the 80s. Here's Ozzy. It's ridiculous. You know,

Peter Gabriel, Pink Floyd, well, you know, Phil

Collins, Prince. I mean, Phil Collins. Let's

talk about Phil for a minute. We could go on

with Phil Collins. Well, Genesis was... Phil

Collins specifically in his solo career, even

when he was with Genesis, one of the best drummers

ever. Yeah. A man who did so much with so little.

And I mean that in the nicest most respectful

way possible and that's the point That was the

thing in the 80s the instruments and and the

music you could do so much With only doing you

know doing one action with your body. Here's

the best thing that I could say You could take

an artist from the 80s put them in a room with

nothing no instruments No microphone nothing

just say sing their song would sound a hell of

a lot better than Anything that I can think of

that anybody today would be able to sing Because

they would need to have you know, some kind of

weird What's that thing called? Auto to auto

to you know, I mean it's it's you know, there's

there's a difference between talent and You know

and whatever kids nowadays have that they're

singing but you know, I mean I listen to three

primary things. Whenever I'm sitting here, and

I'm working on my videos, or I'm working on work,

or whatever the case may be, and I just want

to have music playing in the background, I either

have my iTunes running, which has like 90 % old

stuff. I don't have anything new on here. Well,

some stuff, but I mean, just not a lot of stuff.

Starship? I mean, come on. We built this city?

Fuck yeah, dude. You know, but now So so you

got I mean I got that or I have AOL radio on

my on my iPhone and I have two favorite stations.

I have one hit wonders, which is predominantly

80s stuff with whatever I look at it and there's

a song that I'm tapping my foot to I'm looking

at it and it's an 80s song and I have the the

best of the 80s station. That's what I listen

to. So when I listen to music That's what I'm

listening to and I know one of one of our Mike's

favorites the one and only Stan Bush Come on

Well, you know back in the 80s Stan but and again,

this is gonna come up later because we have a

whole artist spotlight that's gonna be dedicated

to Stan. So I don't want to touch too much on

Stan Bush, but yes, Stan Bush was one of the

greatest solo artists of the 80s. For me, you

know, Paul said he opened up his iTunes, I figured

I had to open up mine. You know, just looking

through here, Billy Joel, Cyndi Lauper, I like

some of her songs. As I said before, I am one

of the biggest Hall & Oates fans ever. I've got

almost every single song that they've ever done.

Uh, you know, Duran Duran, Foreigner, George

Michael, Guns N' Roses. Yeah, Guns N' Roses.

Wow. Why do I... Oh, I know why I have that.

Journey. Level 42, Lionel Richie, Madonna, Mr.

Mister, Paula Abdul. Yes, I have a Paula Abdul

song. Should have, it came with a... i don't

think now that's what this i had a it came with

the eighties now thing and paul abdul robert

straight up he likes paul i knew he was going

to make that jerk you fucker um... poison the

police queen aria speed wagon you know stuff

like the romantics which is some of the one hit

wonder stuff survivors stick super tramp uh...

sadly Tony Basil Toto YouTube Van Halen 38 special

You can do a whole thing on you, too. I mean

shit their their live -aid performance in the

80s was legendary We'd have to get mr. Gilmer

on for that though. That's true That's that's

one of the reasons why I made sure I mentioned

them. So Bob didn't go off on me I'm like where

the hell's the YouTube love man? Hey, I mean

YouTube YouTube YouTube not YouTube you true

YouTube is some good -ass shit Yeah, you know

Bob Seeger. I mean look at all the stuff Bob

Seeger did I just I just I just heard today that

Bob Seeger and the silver bullet band is playing

at the Staples Center Coming up pretty soon.

I Heard that on the radio. I'm like fuck that

would be awesome to go to that's actually one

Yeah, it actually kind of annoys me because you

can't get Bob Seeger songs on iTunes. So I had

to go out Couple months ago. I had to go out

and buy um a CD which I haven't done in probably

20 years Seriously, I mean I honestly cannot

tell you the last time I bought a CD and I went

to go buy some Bob Seeger songs on iTunes He

doesn't let his songs on iTunes, which that's

fine. That's his right, but good. Oh, yeah I

gotta go and buy a CD And it's got a permanent

home in the CD player of my truck Yeah, see that's

the thing a lot of you know when I can't find

Stuff on iTunes or or even even to a lesser extent

Amazon mp3 I will Go I will go on Amazon or I'll

go on eBay or wherever I have to go and I will

buy the CD Even you know, even if it's just for

one or two songs I bought the Wayne world the

the Wayne's world soundtrack just for two songs

with songs The two that Tia Carrere sings. Oh

god. Ballroom Blitz and something else. Stop

it. You're making things awkward, damn it. That's

a good song. You bought a CD for Tia Carrere's

songs? Hey, they were good songs! What do you

do during those songs? Actually, you know what?

Don't answer that. I don't want to know. You

fuckin' perverts. Hey, I didn't say it. You...

I bought the songs because I love them in the

movie. Okay? Right. Ballroom Blitz. Anyway. For

me, I mainly listen to Hall and Oates. I listen

to Stan Bush a lot. Private Eyes, they're watching

you. They can see you everywhere. That's creepy.

Yeah, see I told you this is exactly why I didn't

want you people singing on my podcast You know

Mike I think what the reason he said it was creepy

is because I came in perfectly with the next

line He did yeah, that's what I was talking about

No, it was because of your high -pitched girly

voice. That's what it was Yet Phil Collins was

able to sell a million records with like a high

-pitched falsetto. That's cuz he can pull it

off But anyway, you know Listen a lot of stuff,

you know, sometimes when I'm in the mood for

it I have an entire 80s playlist on iTunes that

I will just put on shuffle and Repeat and I'll

just hear song after song after song and it's

music that I can listen to all the time. Yeah,

whereas Stuff that's gonna be coming up later

in the spotlight There's more so I after the

80s I pretty much switched to finding artists

or bands that I liked and just listening to them

and not listening to every single song that came

out in the 90s or the 2000s or even now. I don't

know. The 90s, they'd give us MC Hammer. You

can't touch this. Yeah. You can't really go wrong

with MC Hammer. Yeah. So I think we're going

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Keep it right here. close the show out yeah you

know the 80s will always be my favorite decade

as far as music goes as I stated at the end of

that clip before the ad section it nowadays I

mainly focus on favorite artists or bands rather

than listening to a plethora of today's music

cuz we'll get into this much much later in the

countdown or not count I keep saying countdown

damn it spotlight We'll get to this much, much

later in the spotlight, but nowadays music just

sucks. Well, all I can say in the immortal words

of I don't even remember what band it was, speaking

of One Hit Wonders, but well, not in their words,

but the 80s killed the radio star. Yes, video

killed the radio star. The Buggles. I changed

it. I changed it to the 80s. Puggles? No, not

Puggles. The Buggles, B. G -L -E -S. Jeff Downs

and Trevor, Jeff Downs, what was the other guys?

I can't remember, but they actually did play

a bigger part in 80s music because as soon as

that song came out, they were invited to join

Yes. And they appeared on the Yes album Drama,

at which point Yes took a hiatus for a few years

where Jeff Downs went on to join Steve Howe in

the first supergroup of the 1980s, Asia. A little

history lesson brought to you by Chuck Dog. There

you go. Thank you, and I hope that $3 will get

me anywhere in New York City. All right, so coming

up in the rest of the spotlight for the 80s,

we have... Four music artist spotlights. I'm

gonna be doing one on Hall and Oates. My buddy

Dion and I are gonna do one on Michael Jackson.

Mike Dodd and Octobotimus are gonna join me on

the Stan Bush one, and then my buddy Dion and

I are gonna talk about We Are the World, which

was the Michael Jackson, Lionel Richie, Quincy

Jones, Stevie Wonder project, getting pretty

much every single major artist. like individual

artist or some artists from bands together singing

for We Are the World, USA for Africa. So I'm

going to do one with that. And then after that,

we're going to have Octobotamus and Chuck Dogg

back on the top 10 favorite artists or bands

of the 1980s. And hopefully there won't be any

more singing. Oh, you heard that? Yes. Oh, that

was good. It was like it was going on in the

background, kind of quiet while you were. While

you were talking it was good. It worked out well,

I think. I thought it was fantastic. See? When

you go back and you edit it all together, you're

going to be like, son of a bitch, that sounds

good. No, I'm going to be like, son of a bitch,

I can't cut this out because it's not on a separate

track. You know, I'm going to say it right now.

I'm just going to throw it out here. The At the

Bottomist Chuck Dogg album. You know, I mean,

it could be just as big as Jay -Z and Kanye's

album. God it's naughty. Okay. All right. We

hope you enjoyed this episode of geek cast radio

Wish you'll join us next time. We were talking

about in a special episode in the artist spotlight

Hall and oats I will probably be doing that one

by myself because I haven't found another Hall

and oats fan so If you want me to talk Hall and

Oats I can talk Hall and Oats I like Hall and

Oats I'm not as big of a fan as you but I like

Hall and Oats I can only talk oats. I don't like

Hall at all. I violently hate Hall violently?

Oh. If I see him on the street, I come up behind

him and I shank him. Wow. Why? Wow. You'd go

mexopotamus on him? I do worse than a mexopotamus.

Damn. Why don't you like Darryl Hull? Because

he held back oats. Anyways. For now, I am TFG1Mike

with... Whomever. Chuck Dog 1999 and I am the

one the only the Optobotomist Thank you for listening.

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