90s Cartoons: The Shift from 80s Action Shows

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we're gonna get animated and talk about some

cartoons of the nineties as always will try to

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on shall we okay so 90s cartoons well a lot of

the 90s cartoons that got really famous for being

a 90s cartoon started in the 80s so cartoons

that passed the torch to the 90s um DuckTales

started in 87 didn't it yeah DuckTales was 87

to 90 yep yep What else what else turtles turtles

started in 87? Yeah, Alvin and the chipmunks

Started in 83 ended in 90. So I mean it just

barely made it into the decade. Yeah puppet babies

1984 to 91 GI Joe In the incident some of them

were in syndication and then things of that nature

as well. You had Adventures of gummy bears 85

to 91 Rescue Rangers 89 to 90 and Garfield and

Friends 88 to 94. Those are kind of some of the

main ones that were started in the 80s technically

and then went to the 90s. But I think like Steve's

mentioning too, you got to take into consideration

all the stuff that was all in 80 as far as like

only new episodes that aired in the 80s aired

in syndication in the 90s. So you kind of had

those that were still sticking around in rerun

form. But interesting interesting ones that kind

of bridge the gap there and I think it's I think

it's somewhat Interesting as far as kind of passing

the torch not just from one decade to another

decade as far as cartoons go but I think like

even Channel wise Disney wise WB why you know,

whatever it might have been like you kind of

had that going on too because the the Ducktales

rescue Rangers gummy bears kind of pass the torch

into a whole different version of of cartoons

that we got from Disney in the 90s. That's what

we'll talk to talk about. Absolutely. Yeah. To

me, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, last thing

I'll say and then I'll let you let you jump back

in, Mike. But Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is

like one of the key passing of the torches because

technically it starts in the 80s, but it honestly

had. Huge a bigger impact on what came after

it in the 90s Because and we'll get to that in

a second But the 90s cartoons are way different

than 80s cartoons, and I think the turtles is

the reason why so I'll talk about that later

Yeah turtles. It's so funny that show basically

lasted for nine ten years and The crazy thing

is I remember watching it as a kid from age 7

to 11 or 12 91 92 I don't remember it past that

I know nothing of Season 4 5 6 7 8 9 like none

of the turtle stuff in the the original 87 Fred

Wolf David wise What I remember is you can fix

that no I know we will eventually yes, I know

but what I'm saying is is that you're saying

that it's it you know changed how The cartoons

felt between the 80s and the 90s. It was one

of those mainstays of changing how cartoons were

not not only viewed but looked at and and just

perceived and What? I was gonna say, maybe we

should use this as a bouncing off point just

to compare the 80s and the 90s in a way as well.

And I'd like to get Steve's input on this too

because I think he's much more well -versed in

some of these 90s cartoons than I am. But the

reason I'm saying that Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

is kind of really, if I was to pick one cartoon

that passed the torch from the 80s to 90s, it

would be that one over all these other ones.

I know there was a lot of other good cartoons

that we mentioned, Garfield, DuckTales, et cetera,

but... If I had to pick one, it's Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles because if you look at all of the

boys cartoons, like not early childhood, you

know, like kindergarten type stuff. But if you're

looking at like the boys action cartoons and

of that yoke from the 80s, you have a lot of

things that are either robots or humans. So you

have like the likes of Transformers, G .I. Joe,

He -Man, Cops is still just human beings. Mask

is human beings in different types of cars. You

know, you had a little bit with the Thundercats

and Silverhawks, but Silverhawks technically

still just people in suits. Yeah, partly mental,

partly real. Yeah, but Turtles comes on and it's

it's kind of like the zany, crazy idea because

now we're just listen to the title Teenage Mutant

Ninja Turtles. Like that's out of left field.

That's not humans. That's not robots. That's

like this crazy animal mutant, you know, amalgamation

thing. And that's what kind of shifts gears to

what the 90s does because the 90s tries to recapture

what the turtles had. You have stuff like Attack

of the Killer Tomatoes, Barnyard Tomatoes, Bucky

O 'Hare and the Toad Wars, Toxic Crusaders, Wild

West Cowboys of Mu Mesa, Swat Cats, Biker Mice

from Mars, Wildcats, Street Sharks. This is a

completely different type of cartoon than what

we got in the 80s. to be due to turtles. It has

to be. So I think that is the passing of the

torch to kind of more of the just general straightforward

humans and robots to all these different types

of animals and mutants and crazy things that

you would never think of in a million years which

the 90s gave us a ton. Absolutely Steve thoughts

no, I definitely agree with that I think that

turtles was Definitely the one that that started

that whole revolution and kind of in a sense

was the start of all that extreme stuff that

the 90s tried to pull Because obviously every

show had to try and one up the next one And it

got more insane as the 90s went on from beginning

to end I mean you had the more serious and darker

stuff in the beginning and then it just got more

absurd by the end of the 90s you know, when you

get from, you know, Spider -Man animated series

in the beginning of the 90s, and you get Spider

-Man Unlimited in, like, the end of the 90s to

try and combat Batman Beyond. Like, it was just...

Certain things just didn't mesh by the end of

the 90s, but when you have something like The

Turtles that kind of started that whole revolution

in the 80s, and then it continued very strongly

through the 90s, between merchandise and the

animated series, Steve, sorry to interject. Which

one of those do you think came closest to recapturing

the turtles? Was it like Swat Cats? I didn't

watch a lot of these shows. Bucky O 'Hare? Bucky

O 'Hare was kind of an odd duck show. It was

one of those ones that I never really fully got

into. I mean, I watched. every one of these series

at one point. But I watched and I would almost

equate that Biker Mice from Mars was in a sense

like kind of like the Bucky O 'Hara thing. Like

it was kind of like a one off thing. And then

it just kind of flopped. Whereas you had things

like street sharks and you had SWAT cats. And

to me, SWAT cats was much closer to the Ninja

Turtles. Plus you had the voice of Donatello

as one of the SWAT cats. Which even? Helped bridge

that gap a little bit more rush I mean and he

was the brainy geeky guy that was on the team

and came up with all the inventions and so I

mean It kind of was like a cat version of Ninja

Turtles except everybody in the city was a cat

Instead of that and you and pretty much had the

thing of you know the SWAT cats were washed out

You know officers out of the police force in

Mega Cat City And they basically, not necessarily

were in hiding, but they were kind of shunned

by everybody, including Commander Farrell. The

only one that really looked out for them was

Callie Briggs, kind of like... the turtles with

april like the turtles had to actually physically

hide the swat cats did not but it's very similar

now that i think of it to to me i would say swat

cats was about the best comparison to the turtles

in the 90s of something that kind of reinvented

itself but yeah it was still it wasn't quite

that weird extreme like gi joe extreme ghostbusters

extreme like everything that just had to be extreme

it was it was probably the best um logical continuation,

reinvention of something like turtles. And Street

Sharks would probably be kind of second to that.

I mean, we had like, you know, the dino saucers

and extreme dinosaurs and stuff from like the

80s and 90s or whatever. But even that didn't

really hold a torch to turtles compared to like,

I would say Swat Cats was probably the closest

thing to turtles. um wasn't a superhero uh franchise

wasn't a disney franchise wasn't um just you

know i mean this was like pre you know almost

say like gargoyles was another one that was that

was pretty good too that kind of took that that

turtle dynamic of instead of turtles you had

the gargoyles and you still had humans but it

had more of a mythological mysterious and in

real world application to it that kind of took

took the idea of the the mutants and the aliens

and kind of converted it to you know, mythological

people and creatures instead. And it kind of

morphed into something different yet similar.

So and you had majority of Star Trek, the next

generation cast voicing those. So it was kind

of another one of those that was really easy

to attach yourself to if you were a fan of turtles.

Yeah, it's just I just find it an interesting

phenomenon that you you know if you look at the

80s It's all humans. You know even if you look

at the the second tier or kind of like the one

-off like series for boys action that only lasted

maybe a season or two even like Centurions visionaries

like they're still just humans You know I mean

like the main team the main characters are humans

with some type of vehicle or special power or

thing that they're carrying and That is not the

case like you it's not just that you have all

these crazy You know, SWAT cats or skeleton warriors

or biker mice from Mars or wildcats. You know,

it's not just that. It's that you also don't

have any of those just straight up like human

based cartoons unless it was like trying to be

a spinoff of something from the 80s like the

New Adventures of He -Man, G .I. Joe Extreme.

You know, a couple of those that that most people

would argue didn't work as well. You don't have

a lot of just boys action cartoons in the 90s

that are like human based. Well, OK. Yeah. Yeah,

you're right. I would say it's about half and

half. Yeah, but the thing of it is is the 90s

went comics and video games is how cartoons went

in the 90s. It didn't just go that route. It

also went full on Disney because if you had anything

that was Disney related, it was not human related

for the most part, unless you get into Aladdin

or Hercules. Like everything else was. All their

animated series were animals. Right, but what

I'm saying is comparing Kevin's notion about

80s boys action cartoons versus 90s, BTIS, Superman

the Animated Series, eventually Batman Beyond,

like that was the superhero cartoon in the 90s

was the new boys action... place and none of

those cartoons were actually like most, you know,

you go back to the, you know, twenties, thirties,

forties, fifties, sixties to Looney Tunes. None

of the Looney Tunes shorts were made for kids.

They were made for adults. You look at Batman,

the animated series. Yes, kids did watch it.

most parents i'm pretty sure just like my stepmother

told me although you can't watch that it's too

graphic it's too this is too bad whatever the

only thing i wasn't there that watches like the

simpsons or something or or although i think

i guess like it was fair game i think it will

get to that i think that uh... i'm just gonna

say i've never said this to anybody on a podcast

before almost ten years of podcasting i got spanked

for watching the simpsons at age nine yeah no

but my point is is that the the Batman's the

Superman's though like specifically BTIS that

was made for the fans of Batman that was made

for the fans that liked the 89 movie but that

was more so made for adults than it was for 12

year old kids on Fox Kids at the time It just

seems like you take your G .I. Joes, your He

-Mans, your Mascam, all that, you eliminate all

of that, and basically what we ended up with

is it went one of two directions. It either went

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles crazy animal morphized

character shows, or it went to strictly comic

cartoons, which is an interesting thing because

we didn't get comic cartoons really like this

in the 80s. Not this many. You know why we didn't?

because the 70s kind of Sully the whole comic

cartoon thing with Super Friends and Adventures

of Batman and Robin and all of that yeah but

if you took just like a cartoon fan or just a

kid that grew up you know and say like hey name

me a comic book cartoon from the 80s you're not

going to be able to come up with as much like

90s has batman animated series x -men fantastic

four iron man spider -man incredible hulk superman

animated series avengers batman beyond spider

-man unlimited like it's a ton of stuff in the

90s that was comic related and that i think changed

the dynamic of cartoons that we had in the 80s

And you also had, even though they were in the

80s, now that I realize this, a few months ago,

TV's Mr. Neil and I did an episode of Pixels

in the Animation talking about some random video

game cartoons, because at episode 94 of that

nearly three, four, five -year journey, we're

kind of running out of steam, and we're trying

to grasp at straws to how we're going to get

this podcast to 100 episodes. Not really, but...

We looked at Pac -Man, we looked at Saturday's

Supercade, and I'm thinking oh these are 90s

things and I'm like no I watched them all like

oh my god my you know people say the Super Mario

Brothers Super Show hurts their eyes that Pac

-Man cartoon hurt my eyes 90s was also like,

you know, 85. We had the birth of the Nintendo

Entertainment System, which would then go on

to produce all these other characters. And in

the 90s, we got video game cartoons based on

the Super Mario Brothers Super Show, which, you

know, had all of that. Adventures of Super Mario

Brothers 3, New Super Mario World, we had Captain

and the Game Master of an actual quote -unquote

kid that got sucked into his TV into a video

game world. Who didn't want that to happen to

them in 1990? Yeah, you had both Sonic series,

you had Earthworm Jim, you had a lot of stuff

that was first and foremost a video game that

got transferred into a cartoon and it all started

kind of like 89 as... because 89 is when technically

when Super Mario Brothers Super Show and Captain

End started. Right. It's just kind of another

one that kind of starts right in the beginning,

you know, and 80s, beginning of 90s. And you're

definitely right about that. We had a lot of

video game and a lot of comics that were finally

making their way back into cartoons or into cartoons

for the first time. Absolutely. Yeah, it's just

it was a crazy fun time. And. I don't know, I

look at a lot of animation today and. Think the

80s and 90s got it done better. I think I think

we get spoiled Honestly, I think we got a lot

of and I'm not saying that stuff that's out now

isn't good But the majority of it is a lot of

late laziness or rehashing the same stuff we've

gotten And that's with anything it happens. It's

it's bound to happen. It's you know, there's

only so many You know plans in the cookie jar

that they can pull from but I think we get spoiled

with good original content in the 80s and 90s.

And then now everything is just kind of a rehash

of everything we got then, because there's nothing

original left. The original stuff that they do

now is it seems like it's way more comedy based

You know if you're looking at the comedy cartoons

or some of those types of things Those are where

you're getting the more original stuff, but when

you're looking at the the action Specific genre

or you know those types of things like what we

were just talking about That's where we're getting

rehash after rehash the interesting thing though

is just how different the 80s and the 90s were

though because even though We get a plethora

of cartoons in both decades. It's a very different

dynamic You know like we were just talking about

with the difference, you know with the video

games and the comic book characters we'll get

into in a second with the prime time cartoons

that weren't a thing in the 80s that become a

thing in the 90s and I think one thing that has

a lot to do with that is the changing dynamic

of just TV in general because the 80s you still

had a setting where you only have certain channels

you know you have your main network channels

you have a few other ones but it's not like the

hundreds and hundreds of channels we have now

that starts to really balloon in the 90s and

What we also see, you know, in the 90s is the

death of the Saturday morning cartoon. So we

have a change of dynamic where you mainly were

getting most of your cartoons in the latter half

of the decade, at least on, you know, just weekday

afternoons or like we're going to talk about

eventually prime time. So it's definitely a change

of dynamic when we saw the save by the bells

and the California dreams kind of kick out cartoons

from our Saturday morning lineup. Yeah, and it

sucked. Yeah. Because that's when we were getting

stuff like Muppet Babies and Garfield and Friends

and you know, all those types of shows were Saturday

morning cartoons and that's not a thing, you

know, halfway through the 90s. Mm -hmm. Absolutely.

All right. Steve did mention though, sorry, but

Steve was mentioning, you know, he said he was

getting in trouble for watching or not allowed

to watch Simpsons. He was getting spanked for

watching Simpsons. But that's definitely one

of the iconic things about the 90s is this reintroduction

to primetime cartoons. Adult oriented cartoons.

Simpsons, Runnin' Stimpy, Beavis and Butthead,

Space Ghost, Dr. Katz, King of the Hills, South

Park, Family Guy, Futurama, All Start. in the

90s with Simpsons as a caveat because it kind

of started before that. Yeah, Simpsons was December

something of 89. Technically, it started earlier

on the Tracy Ullman show, but when its first

episode debuted, it was Christmas of 89. But

it's hard to even imagine a cartoon landscape

without primetime, without this adult oriented,

without the adult swim or all these different

things. But 90s is where that all started. Yep.

very much so You know adult swim you had tsunami

you had a whole bunch of stuff Yeah, and I don't

know about you guys because like I said there

some of these are more adult oriented etc So

I don't know how much of these types of cartoons

you guys were watching in the 90s. I was not

Watching outside of a few random episodes of

Ren and Stimpy. I didn't watch South Park or

Simpsons I didn't watch Family Guy until the

after the 2000s for the most part. So Did you

guys watch any of these growing up and going

through the 90s? Steve as far as which shows

As I got older, I watched The Simpsons more.

I watched, well, primarily what it was is I never

really watched a lot of The Simpsons until my

parents got divorced. And because my dad enjoyed

the show, my mom never did. When we went over

to his house, pretty much anything was fair game.

Like, just, it didn't matter. So we watched a

lot of Simpsons over there. So we watched like

the the Halloween specials, which my favorite

still to this day is the one where Homer goes

into the black hole and comes out as a 3D animated

character and ends up in the real world. But

then there's, you know, we watched a lot of South

Park. We went and saw the movie when it came

out because of watching it on TV. And then, you

know, like so like even to this day, some of

the stupid jokes of like. Oh, tell me. Wrap yourself

up in a nice little towel. You know, and, you

know, the harassment panda and, you know, Mr.

Hand and all these weird things that, you know,

you kill Kenny. You know, so. So, I mean, a lot

of that stuff kind of stuck with me over the

years just because I watched it. I never got

into Family Guy. Like, I mean, some things were

kind of funny on it, but I found it. more like

repetitive dumb comedy. Whereas like in The Simpsons

was always like that that thing that was like

a political commentary that was like always way

behind or in some cases told the future decades

in advance. As they've come to notice with the

last two years. on a multitude of things. But

then you look at South Park and it's like, because

they're so quick at getting those out, they were

like kind of right on it whenever something happened.

So it was like the low brow version of like a

SNL type thing that you could kind of catch these

things making fun of society. And then, you know,

you get things like the critic or. shows like

that to where they're kind of making fun of Hollywood

and some of the things like that. I actually

still have that DVD set in my desk, which I've

yet to go back to and review. But yeah, I mean,

there was a lot of shows that were kind of making

fun of a lot of things during that time they

were adults. There was that Duckman. Show oh,

yeah, dude during that time the fact that George

Costanza is duck man. Just blows my still hilarious.

Yeah Greg Berger is the other character so yeah

corn -fed. Yeah, so Like I said, I mean there

was a lot of like dirty Animated comedies back

then but I think they were more tasteful than

what we get now Where it's a lot of like lowest

common denominator lowbrow like it's not intelligent

writing It's just it's going for the hip jokes

and then that's that's about it Yeah, for me,

I was watching The Simpsons religiously. I never

got spanked for it. I just was told not to watch

it. Like I was able to watch any animated series

for the most part. It didn't matter. It just

that was not one that was looked upon very highly.

I just remember seeing Ren and Stimpy, you know,

a couple of those episodes for the first time

and it kind of like blew my mind because I had

never seen a cartoon that was like that. I used

to watch that with my cousin, who's passed away

for a couple of years. But we used to play the

video game on the Sega Genesis, which was hilarious.

I remember playing that. But anyways, we used

to watch the show. I used to watch it all the

time. And this is not that disgusting version.

This is the other one, which I didn't even know

the other one existed until a few years ago when

I saw it on Netflix. But my uncle could do like

a spot on Ren, like, you stupid idiot. My ice

cream bar. So like he would, you know, mimic

a lot of that kind of stuff. But that was one

of my favorite ones as a kid. Now I can't stand

it, but. I think it's that one in Beavis and

Butthead and South Park really broke the mold

though for what because we would have never seen

that type of cartoon in the 80s and then it you

know kind of lay the groundwork for all this

crazy stuff we see at the beginning of the 2000s

and still today where they're just doing crazy

adult humor offbeat Filthy sex whatever you want

to you know, everything's there's nothing off

limits anymore because of those shows Pretty

much For me most of the stuff that I was watching

it ended up being Like we said, you know the

stuff that carried over into the 90s from the

80s I Really dug Adventures of Super Mario Brothers

3. I thought that was hilarious because I love

that game Like I said Captain and the Game Master

the Legend of Zelda which was part of Super Mario

Brothers Super Show But only aired on Fridays

That was different. You had Super Mario Monday

through Thursday and then Zelda on Fridays, which

essentially meant you had to wait a week to see

the next Zelda episode. Hey, for you Zelda, anything!

Nice job, hero! Hey! Excuse me, princess! What

else was I watching? I cannot get into any of

the other adult cartoons. I've never had any

interest in Family Guy. Don't like half the stuff

Seth MacFarlane does anyway. I like Futurama,

but I only saw bits and pieces of it. I've seen

a handful of episodes of South Park. I don't...

care either way about that show I don't dislike

it but at the same time I'm not all gaga over

it the only line I really remember from like

the first few seasons or the first season whatever

episode it was was because it was huge back then

because the radio station DJs were always talking

about it was when Cartman said knock off all

this tree -hugging hippie crap that's the only

line I really remember from the show I've looked

up various episodes since then just to see what

what is going on with South Park like a couple

years ago they did an episode all about Yelp

so there's that oh they do absolutely Exactly,

that's the whole reason why it's been around

as long as it has What else was I watching like

like Steve said Batman Superman that kind of

stuff Batman Beyond blew my mind because I hadn't

been watching for a few years. I missed half

of the new Batman Superman adventures So when

I saw Batman Beyond I'm like 65 years in the

future Bruce Wayne is old What fresh hell is

this the voice kept calling me Bruce in my mind?

That's not what I call myself what do you call

yourself oh yeah i suppose you would but that's

my name now tell that to my subconscious um i

know i know another couple shows that you were

watching which are guaranteed um probably a couple

of what i would consider the best shows we got

in the entire decade uh tiny tune adventures

nanomaniacs and oh yeah well tiny -toons yes

I was only yeah there's freakazoid tiny -toons

yes I I did watch that religiously however not

now I was then because I was a dumbass back then

I was very anti -animaniacs no I'm dead serious

I'm not lying I was very like I don't care I

don't want to watch it I don't this I don't that

had I seen episodes and things like that like

94 95 96 after it first debuted yes I did but

when it first debuted there was a guy There was

a counselor and so strange that I remember this

there was a Counselor at one of the places that

I was placed in at the time around 94 95 Strangely

enough his name was Kevin and he absolutely was

I mean this was I was 13 14 year old Well, yeah,

I was 14 at the time he was maybe late 20s early

30s, and he was absolutely like Gaga over everything

Animaniacs, and I just did not care. I still

wanted my 80s cartoon still. I had no interest

whatsoever. Now? Yeah, absolutely. I absolutely

love Tiny Tunes, Animaniacs. I never really got

into Pinky and the Brain or Pinky Elmyra and

the Brain. That one was just... No, Elmyra was

terrible, but I do love Pinky and the Brain.

Yeah, it's interesting that you say that Mike

because I had a similar reaction because I was

one of my best friends was like me I don't know

two years younger than me maybe some somewhere

around there I think two years younger me and

I was Grasping on to my 80s cartoons with like

the death clutch. Like I did not want to let

go of these cartoons. And I remember like staying

over his house, you know, spending the night

or doing stuff like that. He always had either

Tiny Toons or Animaniacs on. And at first I was

resistant. At first I was like, I don't care

what this is. Let's find Transformers, Jejo,

He -Man, Turtles, something that I like. But

I think it was because of how many times I had

to watch them at his house that I quickly turned

into a big fan. But it's interesting because

I think I had a similar experience where I was

a little bit resistant. Now, one of the beautiful

things about Animaniacs, though, is it was a

learning tool. Oh, very much so, yes. Tiny Toons

as well. And the crazy thing about Tiny Toons

is, one of my best friends at the time... This

had to have been... Yeah, because it was after

I was in... This was like when the show was in

syndication at that point. It was like 93, 94.

It was like right before I got placed into states

care at the time in Kentucky. Also named Mike.

I had a Game Boy, he had a Game Gear, we watched

Tiny Tunes on the Sega Game Gear. I didn't even

know that was possible. Game Gear had a TV tuner.

My cousin always had the Sega branded stuff and

then my I had a friend that had all the Nintendo

branded stuff So I had the best of both worlds.

I never owned anything until I was like old enough

to have a job and buy my own So I came up with

a list of what I feel like is most the cartoons

that defined the decade as far as like just 100

% 90s like and this is this is not counting the

the comic book cartoons, which we already talked

about And I'll leave Tiny Toons and Animaniacs

off of it But when that when I hear this these

cartoons right off to me like it screams 90s

to me I want to see if you guys agree disagree

or have anything to add but it's a fairly lengthy

list So hold on hold on to your heads, but I

got Bobby's World Darkwing Duck Doug Rugrats

eat the cat Goof Troop, Rocco's Modern Life,

Ah Real Monsters, Freakazoid, Dexter's Laboratory,

Hey Arnold, Cow and Chicken, Recessed Daria,

Johnny Bravo, Wild Thornberrys, and Powerpuff

Girls. Oh yeah. I agree with you. I hate half

the shows on that list. Well, it's interesting

because Mike said which cartoons did you avoid

in the 90s, and it's almost that entire list

for me. outside of maybe like two or three of

them. But I avoided all of those like the plague.

But I do feel like they all are just pure 90s.

Oh, they they they do fully embody the 90s. I

will admit that they there are shows that probably

would not survive today. Right. And so they in

nostalgia, they fit perfectly in that time span.

And honestly, I hearing those names again like

half that list I just I avoided like the plague

even when they were new like at the time like

I gave them a shot I was like these suck and

then I would move on and then other ones I would

watch in waiting for shows I actually wanted

to watch right out of that list but majority

of the time I watched a lot of the more action

related stuff or more comedic action, you know,

like the Spielberg stuff. Usually if it was a

part of a franchise like the Spielberg related

content from Warner Brothers or comics or video

game related, I was all in. But a lot of the

other 90s stuff, it was kind of. hit or miss.

But I still did sample just about everything

that was out. Yeah. There's a totally different

type of cartoon than what we got in the 80s,

still with those two. Just kind of the weird,

kind of zany type stuff that we're getting there.

Mike, did you like any of those shows, or did

you watch any of those shows? Well, I know there's

at least one show on there that Steve and I agree

on, because we actually did a Tooncast episode

on it. Because if he says otherwise, he's a damn

liar. Darkwing Duck was the man. Yeah, I agree.

Yeah, so yeah, I've Seen almost all of them bits

and pieces. I didn't really watch all of them

All of the time Bobby's world got tiring after

the first like three episodes I watched it a

season or two and then I got tired of it. I remember

like Like Carmen San Diego. Oh, yes double dragon,

you know Sherlock Holmes in the 22nd century

That was my jam. The mask. The mask. Yes, I love

the mask. There was, like I said, gargoyles.

My wife liked Rugrats. I never really was into

that. I've never, ever. We had Iron Man, The

Incredible Hulk, The Tick. Mortal Kombat. Mortal

Kombat, that was just so... Defenders of the

Realm was so bad. It was just so bad. Mummy's

Alive. Yeah, there was just a ton of shows that

were on in the 90s. And then you had the one

Saturday morning, you had the Fox Kids, you had

the USA's Cartoon Express, you had the... Yeah,

there was just there was so many different Animated

series on on especially on Saturday morning like

you pretty much you could jump around any time

a show went to commercial and Always have something

to watch Even if it was like bits and pieces

of everything like that was that was how I sampled

my Saturday mornings And I would sit there from

the crack of dawn at 6 in the morning all the

way until 11 and watch cartoons Yep absolutely

Yeah, other stuff off that list. I liked Doug,

but I didn't like Doug enough to watch it more

than two or three times. I watched the first

season and then I was done. Yeah, I couldn't

even do that at the time. And the crazy thing

is about a lot of these cartoons is going back

now as, you know, almost 40 years old. Some of

them I can go back and I can appreciate their

90s cheesiness or very 90s stamp. Back then I

could not. What are some of the other ones on

the list you had mentioned? We had Rugrats, Dexter's,

Daria, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls, Thornberrys.

Powerpuff Girls was interesting Johnny Bravo

was just too off the wall. He was awesome He

was with us too off the wall I didn't... Thornberry's

in Daria, I did not watch. Daria was an MTV show,

wasn't it? Yes. Yeah, see, I... The only thing

that I will freely admit to other than Celebrity

Deathmatch watching on MTV that was not a music

video was the 2001 TV series called Spider Games

that only had like one season on MTV. But...

Yeah, no like none of the MTV original tunes

even the 2003 MTV original new spider -man animated

series after the first movie came out in 2002

it took me 10 years to watch that Yeah, yeah

celebrity deathmatch came out in 98. Yeah, I

was right towards the end I actually have a lot

of that my brother downloaded like half the series

from YouTube years ago Then like gave it to us

all on CD because we used to watch the crap out

of that show celebrity deathmatch was the coolest

What would you guys say that were the best cartoons

of the 90s? Like that stand the test of time

that you know Like when we did our top 100 animated

series list if we were to revisit that again

Like what 90s cartoons deserve to be on that

list? I would say I would definitely put like

spider -man and x -men animated series. I would

put Batman animated series Batman Beyond And

then there were there were other shows Like Beast

Wars was pretty good obviously Just throwing

that out there says the guy that can voice the

lead villain You'd have to put Simpsons and South

Park on there. Yes. Yeah Swat cats Darkwing Duck

Darkwing Duck I I still feel like What's that

yeah, I I only ever watched - And then they grew

up and nobody cared. Yeah, nobody cared. It was

on for 91 until 2004. Dragon Ball Z. Yeah. Yeah.

Dragon Ball Z. That still stands to test the

time. They keep bringing it back. Yeah. Still

love that show. But Pokemon was on in the 90s.

Oh, that's right. Pokemon, Digimon. I loved -

I didn't love it, but I just - Pokemon also,

I guess. Yeah, blue's closed. That was more edutainment.

That's more... Is Steve coming back, too? No,

he actually made a comment about it on Twitter.

He's like, yeah, he said it was funny when people

were saying I was dead. Yeah, I remember that,

yeah. I just watched an interview that some...

Online site did with him. It was pretty funny,

but he said yeah, they're gonna redo it He says

he's not involved, but you know he says I still

have the couch and the first notebook and or

the chair or whatever and whatnot so Yeah, I

don't I don't lump the edutainment stuff in with

actual night like blues clues is pure edutainment

to me that's That's not... Ballou's Clues to

me is in line with Sesame Street and Fraggle

Rock and... to a lesser extent Barney. But technically

I would still throw Animaniacs in that loop too

though because about 50 % of the show was learning

and 50 % of it was just bad comedy. It's more

like you could put Bob the Builder with like

Thomas the Tank and like some of those stuff

I wouldn't put Sesame Street and those in there

because I think it's just don't got a wider audience,

but It's kind of a fuzzy line there. Yeah I'm

trying to think what else We've almost named

every cartoon that aired in the 90s I never got

into the Fantastic Four cartoons from the 90s.

It wasn't that good I liked Iron Man season two

more than season one because I like the Iron

Man season two theme song better than the season

one theme song Well, that was kind of like SWAT

cats. I like season two but theme song better

than season one. Yep Steve kind of touched on

this a little bit too, but the other interesting

thing was the number of movies that got transformed

into cartoons Starting with some of the Disney

stuff. So obviously you had, you know a Little

Mermaid and Aladdin the Hercules and a Lion King

animated series But you had all kinds of random

movies that were being getting turned into cartoons.

You had a Dumb and Dumber Animated series. The

Mask. Ace Ventura. The Mask which we talked about.

Ace Ventura. Yep, absolutely. You had... The

Old Juice. Yeah, so we had a ton of movies that

were getting the animated series treatment, which

some of those don't work very well, and some

of them are entertaining. You had Back to the

Future, Men in Black. Godzilla. Yeah. They've

tried to redo Godzilla, the animated series,

so many times. Well, Men in Black, that wasn't

actually that bad. I actually watched it. It

wasn't great, but it was definitely along the

lines of the extreme Ghostbusters and stuff.

Right. Just interesting seeing which ones get

that get that animated treatment. I think there

was even a free willy cartoon Just weird doesn't

sadly there was Yeah, I think I remember it vaguely

Yeah, we had a couple sonic cartoons. Oh, I like

the hang, but I got a juice Right we had Mega

Man This is Ian James Corlett, and you are listening

to the Geekcast Radio Network. the the the dark

sonics on its at a m is any good is beyond me

i mean is there any the plots make absolutely

zero sense at the time it is so you have to human

shows but well yeah i know i trust me i know

i've spent we've spent six years on that you

know i spent like twenty episodes on on on both

sonic stuff and Like you were saying, Steve.

Mighty Ducks. Mighty Ducks. Yes. Yep. Jumanji.

There was a cartoon for Jumanji. Yep. I remember

that. That was terrible. and then of course like

we said there was the the they tried to bring

back some of the ad ones with like the new adventures

of he -man g .i. joe extreme you had uh inspector

gadget spin -off you had a couple things like

they had a my little pony spin -off that tried

to come back so he had a few attempts but they

weren't great attempts that's the one thing between

the 80s and the 90s i know of specifically you

because i don't consider my little pony a Girl

power show the the original 80s my little pony

right cartoon series I don't consider that like

girl power or whatever else obviously gem was

and Shira was but in the 90s girls had Sailor

Moon Yeah Yeah, no, My Little Pony was more of

a generic one that just younger kids liked. It

didn't have to be guys or girls. But you had

My Little Pony Tales, which came out in the 90s.

You had all -new Dennis the Menace. You had Yo

-Yogi. So I mean, you did have some that were

trying to harken back to stuff from the yesteryear.

Mm -hmm. Yeah, it's just such a crazy, crazy

time for cartoons. And I look at all of those,

the good ones, the bad ones, the ones we love,

the ones we want to avoid. And then I look at

some of the stuff today, and I'm like, why do

people like this? I don't get it. Specifically,

and I'm not as sure. All I'm saying is I don't

understand it. I'm not saying I don't like it.

I'm not saying I like it. I'm not making a judgment

call. Adventure Time. Steven Universe. What the

hell's wrong with your universe, Steven? Hey,

I hate both those shows, so just get me out of

here. There's good stuff today. You just gotta

know where to find it. Obviously the 7D was great.

There's been a lot of more action -oriented reboots

that have been decent. There's been good stuff.

It's just some of the stuff that's the most popular,

like big longevity cartoons, some of those are

a little bit more of a head scratcher like you're

talking about with Adventure Time and the gumball

one. Gumball and... Yeah, some of those. was

the one with uh... regular show i don't understand

that at all uh... written warning it was very

irregular It needed some special medicine. Mm

-hmm. Right. Rick and Morty, I don't get that.

Rick and Morty to me is like a 21st century version

of South Park, I would assume. I don't know.

I'm just making an assumption here. Most of the

modern day adultish programs that they have out

there, I just don't care for. For one, I find

the animation of a lot of series that are out

now very freaking lazy. And to me, I cannot...

Honestly, that's part of the shutdown for me

on a lot of the animated series, particularly

with Cartoon Network. But it's even stemmed into

other series as well, whether it's Disney or

some other ones. But if the animation is terrible

and then the writing is just lowbrow, to me,

that just makes it worse. South Park, for as

basic as it looks, doesn't look like total garbage,

which is surprising because it's just... basically

sprites with like heads that pop up and down

and Canadians and then like the mouths go, you

know, and it's not really all that comprehensive,

but it's still it looks better than the garbage

we're getting from a lot of these series where

it's just looks like somebody, you know, like

me just sitting here scribbling on a piece of

paper and drawing a character and saying, you

know, hey, this is, you know, this is interesting

or Microsoft Paint or something. Yeah, I mean,

it's it's it makes. It makes Ace Ventura the

animated series look good. And that's bad. And

that was bad back then. And that's why it flopped.

Same thing with Dumb and Dumber. So if you're

making those series look good by today's standards,

something is wrong. Yeah, I think that's like

the one bad side effect of South Park is that

people were like, hey, we don't have to spend

a lot of money on animation. We don't even have

to worry about animation. We can just do random

nonsense. And if we're funny or if people get

what we're saying, it's going to work. And it's

turned into a lot of lazy, I think that's a great

term, lazy animation. So you could even find

a few 90s, you know, late 90s shows that kind

of fit that mold, but especially in the 2000s

where it just seemed like we didn't. I mean,

there are great cartoons that look great out

there. I don't want to make it seem like everything.

is what we're talking about. There's some good

-looking cartoons that were out there but there's

also this like insurgence of this what Steve's

calling lazy animation that's just not fun to

watch from an aesthetic standpoint. And there

have been a lot of reboots too that have looked

halfway decent I mean you look at the new like

even even if you're not a fan of the the new

2018 Ninja Turtles that's coming out It's still

not lazy by comparison like it's just a totally

different aesthetic and you look at the 2012

It's a totally different aesthetic. I mean they're

not lazy at all like they're just different designs

whereas like a lot of the A lot of the new original

series that are coming out I'm finding to be

very lazy. It's the reinventions that are just

reinventing themselves It's not and it's not

with every series like, you know, we've kind

of mentioned It's just the majority of them seem

to be taking the low road out. Yeah, especially

Cartoon Network Cartoon Network has always taken

the low road out. I mean They gave they killed

30. Okay. Yeah yeah they killed young justice

undercats they killed young justice they killed

the new thundercats but before that they killed

the the best team and cartoon ever in he man

the message universe from two thousand two that

they only got thirty nine episodes got two and

a half seasons like uh... uh... as we're talking

about this i'd just so happens to pop over to

our friends over on tv shows on dvd dot com TMNT

retail a rumor say to expect a re -release of

the complete classic series collection. This

was reported on March 16th. Well, good on you.

It's the 23 DVD set, originally released back

in late 2012. What's unclear is if this is going

to be a repackage like most of the time it is,

instead of it being the turtle van packaging

like it was, or if it's going to be a separate

packaging. Supposedly it's... expected on June

12th of this year so who knows but yes that's

going to be repackaged or something will happen

with it which should be really cool yeah I that

would be an awesome thing to have I know when

I went out to California in 2016 my buddy Doug

his wife had just gotten it for him for Christmas

because the original set was on Amazon for fairly

cheap at the time Yeah, just put I just put the

little turtle van away with all of it Stephen

Stephen mentioned earlier about Beast Wars Beast

Wars was amazing in hindsight I didn't It's the

sole reason Transformers exists today exactly

because it reinvigorated the franchise much like

the Michael Bay films did for this generation

and you know, love him or hate him, you know,

it was the reinvention point of that time. Right.

Yeah, I think it's one, though, that maybe not

as many people saw at the time that have grown

to find it, love it. It's kind of like a cult

following cartoon. Absolutely. The reason why

I bring it up is because in 1999, they launched

Beast Machines. And while I love Beast Wars and

Beast Wars has its place and I absolutely do

love it because it's more of the comedy show.

I love the narrative in Beast Machines. Plus

that theme song is kick -ass. Well, I love Beast

Machines as well however, I find Beast Wars to

be a more solid cohesive writing and that's why

it went three seasons and almost went four except

for the fact that Hasbro wanted to reinvent it

to sell more toys that were diverse Beast Machines

essentially went two seasons, but Yeah, I know

What I'm surprised that I get why you like Beast

Wars more. I'm surprised you don't like Beast

Machines a little bit more now because I've re

-watched that show so many times. That is essentially

an inside to the mind of Megatron that we've

never, ever seen. All of his sides. I understand

that given it's due, but I love... and I can

do both Megatron version's voice and... mentality

uh but to me the series was more fun and there

was more going on in beast wars and you get to

see more of the cunningness whereas megatron

pretty much already won in beast machines he

just kept tipping his hat because primal was

there and he was getting you know i mean granted

this is another discussion for another day but

uh he He kind of screwed himself Yeah over playing

his hand that he'd already won And toying with

primal instead of just exterminating him which

again was was his ego which was from Beast Wars

so It essentially still plays into that and beast

was he actually did Sentence primal to death

by sending him in his stasis pot and blowing

him away. So Yeah. But Rhinox, you know, did

his mystical Rhino thing and brought him back.

I mean, seriously. Yeah, exactly. I mean, seriously,

how many bodies does that Prime need? Microtron

2. But anyways, that was the reinvigoration point

for that franchise. And so without this, you

wouldn't have it. That's kind of why things like

G .I. Joe fizzled out. And you know, Turtles,

it went through the 80s and the better part of

the 90s and then was reinvented like five years

later in the 2000s. Yep. Right. So. Everything

that is old is new again. And as long as you

keep reinventing it, it will survive and stand

the test of time. Give me that Silverhawks reboot,

damn it. Never going to happen. Unless, well,

never say never. Because look at Netflix. I mean,

we've got a She -Ra show that's returning. We've

got Voltron, which is probably the best we've

gotten. And so, you know, you look at what's

coming. I mean, we're going to have a new Animating

Act series coming to Hulu in a couple of years.

So the fact that they're now that they've done

this testing with regular television shows of

the 80s and 90s, and it's proven to succeed,

the animated series continuations are getting

revivals now. Yeah, it just boggles my mind that

DreamWorks' Voltron is already up to five seasons

on Netflix. Now, I will say this because I do

have information on this. Reboot. The reboot

of Reboot is coming out at the end of the month

of March. It comes out March 30th or whatever.

depending on when this airs, you'll hear my thoughts

on that either way. That being said, the series,

they're not going for a continuation of reboot

like they'd been teasing for years. No, they're

going for a superhuman samurai cyber squad or

VR troopers type program with the show where

they digitize people like almost like Tron. and

put them in the reboot universe and it's essentially

been rewritten completely, like as if the original

never happened. I know you love this franchise,

but I am sorry. After hearing that, I would rather

have a third Tron film. Well, and I agree with

you, but mainframe, Rainmaker Entertainment,

whatever, they're such a cluster -run company

that it is impossible, and I hate saying this

about any company, but they're such a cluster

of a company that... They can't even get Basic

information Out to the fans or to media in general

like their marketing is terrible. It's coming

out in 15 days and it's not had Any marketing

other than a trailer drop and it's got the most

like it it rivals like there's 12 for maybe 14

,000 now dislikes on their trailer on YouTube

to the like to 300 likes that are on it yeah

for the series and there's so much venomous hate

on this series that it just proves that if you

change the formula too much the fans will tell

you yep and so it's yeah i i'm in the series

the original isn't all that great by comparison

but it was revolutionary for its time Where it's

it created that CG environment that that spawned

Beast Wars that spawned Toy Story that you know,

we got all these these animated films as as a

CG method And reboot was kind of that initial

starting point that kind of set everything else

in motion It was and it is there's no denying

that but Kind of fell flat five miles from the

finish line It made it it made it four seasons.

It actually was pretty strong towards the end.

It's just that The revival has just been sputtering

along Well, the revival has been sputtering along

for better part of ten years where they Teasing

fans. So anyways, it's it's gonna flop majorly

but that's again That's that's you know, you

invent things you reinvent things to a point

and that can revive it you reinvent it too much

You destroy it and tank it. So Yeah, very much.

Yep What else do we want to bring up before we

get out of here guys Just curious Mike since

you were Almost same age as me. You know, we're

talking about these 90s. Obviously had the comic

book cartoons You had the video game cartoons

you had some of these classic iconic 90s shows

the primetime cartoons the crazy anamorphic cartoons

Do you prefer 90s or 80s cartoons? It's a mixture.

I can't pick one or the other because going back

to some of these 80s cartoons just god what the

hell I will say and I will forever say I don't

care what anyone says there. There's no arguing

over this Hashtag not my he -man hashtag not

my Skeletor the new adventures of he -man is

the single worst thing to ever have in the he

-man franchise ever I rather enjoyed the initial

run of it I don't know how the writing is all

over the place the animation didn't matter for

me it was the aesthetics yeah the aesthetics

were ass look at Skeletor in that first season

he's a green goblin wannabe you know what I still

enjoyed it you were too young to understand what

you were enjoying yeah you're still too young

to understand what you enjoyed So do I. Which

one? The original animated one. And then I liked

the deep series because of the battle armor that

Cobra Commander got and the fact that he stuck

it to Serpentor. I didn't like the writing when

it got more absurd with the metal head and everything

else, but I did like the new Cobra Commander

battle armor. I can see parts of that too. I

liked it as well. i'd have to take the eighties

over the nineties but uh... i do think the nineties

do have some some gems in there especially gargoyles

animaniacs tiny tunes and some of the cartoon

comic books it really depends for me like depends

on the series like since uh... obviously it's

over on hulu now but when animaniacs first debut

on netflix Last year a couple years ago whenever

it was I went through a full -on binge and watched

the whole all four seasons or all three seasons

or however many it is Same thing with Tiny Toons.

I'm still binging Tiny Toons now I've seen Batman

Beyond and Beast Machines more times than I can

count on both hands I just love those series

so much You know it just depends on what I feel

like going back and watching whether it's 90s

stuff 80s stuff There's a lot of stuff like I

said from the 90s that I just avoid like the

plague Well, I find that things live better in

nostalgia than they do being rehashed Yeah, absolutely

and so there are certain shows that I know I

can revisit there's certain shows that I know

I should never revisit and If it was one that

I had enjoyed majority of the series, like 90

% of the series, I know I'm safe to go back and

watch it. And there's very few on that list.

But a lot of them, I will actually find the best

episode of whatever said series is. The low road

won't. Maybe you. Don't even make me go there,

dude There's some series that I've actually over

the years I'll find the actual episode I'll download

that episode and then I'll just hold on to that

particular one and that way the nostalgia of

the series lives on that it's great based on

that one episode and That's all I have to remember

it I would I don't even care about the TV series

as a whole because that's that's the only one

that I stick with And then there's other series

where I have to own the whole series. So it's

again, it's finding those gems of the 90s. And

the funny thing is, is none of the ones that

were on that particular list of the things that

epitomize the 90s, I didn't have any of those

on my list of things that I had to own or that

I had a download of. Yeah, me neither. Yeah,

the ones that I would take and buy or keep from

the 90s would not be the ones that you would

think of as a 90s cartoon, probably. so no i

mean now we don't really like that's the crazy

thing yeah a lot of this stuff is still on dvd

some of it isn't but now with hulu and or netflix

or whatever you know you can essentially go find

Any of these shows like I said Tiny Toons and

Animaniacs are both on Hulu like Steve said Animaniacs

in the next couple of years is gonna get a continuation

series I think with the TV series on cartoons.

I still would rather have a physical copy of

them though or I can just It depends on what

it is. Yeah I'm more likely to go digital with

just straight -up move before I do it with like

TV series for some reason I'll binge them on

Netflix or not, but the ones that I really like

I want a physical copy I have very few series

I actually care to have a physical copy for anymore,

whereas most of them I'd rather just stream them

because I don't want to. It's too much of a hassle

for me to want to go change a disc or to, in

some cases, actually get up and do it. Or go

dig them out of a particular cabinet somewhere.

So for me, the ease of use of being able to just

click it. For instance, I'm talking about more

about like the the cartoon TV series because

a lot of those aren't available to stream Unless

you're doing it illegally or through some ghetto

website So it's more that like I get the regular

TV series because you can do most of those on

Amazon Prime Netflix Hulu, etc But outside of

a few select cartoon shows, if you want to stream

cops from the 80s, not the crime show, the cartoon

show, you can't just stream that easily. Actually,

you can. I told you about that. You can. Most

times, you can't do something like that. But

now, I said that. Mill Creek has the rights to

cops. They have the DVD company, Mill Creek Entertainment.

mainstream sites, I'm saying. No, it's not on

one of the mainstreaming sites. You're right,

but you can legally go to the Mill Creek website

and legally watch all 65 episodes of Cops without

feeling like you're stealing from the company.

I'm saying there's a lot of cartoons that are

more obscure and not available for those services

compared to just an everyday TV series that was

popular. The benefit of it is nowadays, every

company is pretty much coming up with their own

streams. streaming service. So you have Disney

that's going to have basically everything Marvel.

It's going to have everything Disney. It's going

to have everything Fox. And so when they come

out with their streaming service in 2019, you're

going to have the entire full gamut of that.

And then Warner Brothers, as well as coming up

with their own, and they're going to have things

like Swat Cat, Scooby Doo, all the DC animated

universe. You're going to have, you know, your

animaniacs and all that stuff, which of course

is on Hulu. Well, I mean you're gonna have a

lot of that on both But it's in the problems

gonna be how many services can you afford to

have? It's gonna depend on how much they cost.

Yeah, and to me honestly, like it's It's gonna

be a weighing option when it comes to that point,

but honestly, I I would much rather Have one

service that had it all Yeah, like I love to

be able to stream all the stuff on boomerang,

but I'm not paying for their app Well, I won't

pay Cartoon Network Well, okay, so I will sit

here and say I do pay for the boomerang app.

It's five bucks a month. I don't No, as far as

I can tell it's not gonna go up anytime soon

as far as like increase But what's on there for

that price for just five bucks a month? It's

all the classic Looney Tunes stuff all Yogi Bear

all it's Everything we grew up. Oh, it's attractive

But I'm just saying like if you get five dollars

to them if you get fifteen dollars to Netflix

if you give five dollars to Amazon Prime and

whatever Disney's gonna be and it starts to add

up It's gonna be like paying for cable all over

again, right? Which is fine because nobody has

cable anymore anyway, so no no cable. What's

that? I'll a cart That's right. That's the way

cable should be. I think I predicted that years

ago I was like I did when I was in high school

I was like why can't we just pick like 10 channels

like here's a price for 10 channels Here's a

price for 20 channels, but I can pick whichever

ones I want and everyone's like you're crazy.

I Know I I did that too. I and I used to argue

with the cable companies back when I hated paying

for cable, and they were like, why don't you

sign up for cable to get a better discount on

your internet? I'm like, I only want your internet

because your cable sucks. It's like, there's

nothing on it I wanna watch. I'm like, if I could

choose the channels, then I would be great, you

know? A la carte. Now all of a sudden it's a

thing. Yep. It's crazy. Any other cartoon stuff

we wanna bring up, guys? I think we nailed it

pretty good. I think so. Alright. We hope you

enjoyed this episode of GeekCast Radio and wish

you'll join us next time when we'll be exploring

the movies of the 90s and Movie Revolt Dan is

going to be joining us for that. For now, I am

TF2 and Mike with Steve Megatron Phillips and

Optimus Solo. Thank you for listening until next

time. That's not helping.