CINEMA GEEKS
Need for Speed Review

About this Episode
Hi, this is John Delancey and you are listening
to the GeekCast Radio Network. Hello and welcome
to another episode of The Cinema Geeks. I am
one of your Cinema Geeks optimists solo and joining
me today is movie revolve Dan, hello. Hello.
And Mr. Fridley Send. Hello, Matt. Hi. It's just
a guy's night out here tonight for our episode
today. There's no hard candy, Mandy. We'll get
into the reasons why here in a little bit. We
are back with today's episode to discuss the
next in our video game film series, which is
none other than the 2014 3D American action thriller
Need for Speed. Originally, this would have been
the last one we covered, guys, if we had finished
back the same year we started this. Now, there
are a couple of other ones that we might have
to cover, but this was the last one of the already
released video game films when we started this
process. Did we save the best for last? We're
going to have to wait and see about that. First,
before we get to the actual film, though, like
we usually do, we talk about the video game.
And Matt, go to you first. Did you ever play
or watch somebody play Need for Speed? Yeah,
I think I played Hot Pursuit 1 and 2. I believe
that's the, like, the other Need for Speeds are
all just street racing. Hot Pursuit line has
police as, like, a playable thing. And so Hoppersuit
1 I played when I was rather young, maybe middle
school age, and it was a lot of fun like setting
out speed traps and stuff, or like laying down
like a spike strip and then like trying, like
the cars want to stay on the road, right? So
you lay the spike strip, which covers like two
-thirds of the road, and then you try to block
the other third with your police car, because
they want to not hit you. It was a lot of fun.
I really enjoyed this. Franchise though the two
times I played it Dan what about you? Did you
ever play the game? I? Did I I don't know which
ones it was somewhere where it was You could
play probably was the same game We could you
could be police or you could be the one chasing
and I thought that was really fun dynamic at
the time like being able to race with I was already
huge in the racing games unless it was like cruising
USA for like the Sega Genesis or is that Sega
64 it was I don't remember but for me like you
know I'd play racing games and then eventually
get bored with them but as Matt mentioned it
had a little bit more to it but once like Grand
Theft Auto came out I'm like I feel like that's
the the joy of running away from the cops which
was more fun in that game than Need for Speed.
I tried the most recent one or one of them that
was on Xbox One. A little bit where you go and
it's more open world, but it didn't really grab
me. It was like a demo. I don't know if there
was more story to it or anything like that. I
have a little bit of experience with the franchise.
We're actually going to have this three for three
for the first time in a long time because I did
actually play Need for Speed once upon a time.
I couldn't tell you a whole lot about it. I remember
playing it and enjoying my time with it But like
Dan I was not a fan and still I'm not a fan of
most racing video games I think I got into like
f0 back in the day because that was like groundbreaking
it felt like you know something you've never
done before Whenever that came out, but other
than that, I you know I don't think Twisted Metal
counts. That's about the only other one. That's
just more of a demo derby. But I just never could
quite get into the straight -up racing one. So
I did enjoy Need for Speed a little bit more
since I had kind of a little bit more of that
angle to it. And then I kind of had tapped out
of video games by the time Grand Theft Auto came
around, so I never got to play that. But I do
remember enjoying Need for Speed for the most
part. Matt, since you might have had the most
experience out of all of us playing the game,
what kind of... Transition do you feel like they're
what kind of reflection was the movie on the
game? Did you feel like it had anything to do
with the Need for Speed video game? Well, Need
for Speed, like I said, is just a series of street
races, so, like, there isn't usually a story
to it that I can remember. So, like, they had
to inject a hundred percent of that story, you
know? Usually, when you're playing the racing
video game, it's not like, hey, your ex -girlfriend
got stolen by this jerk, and he really hates
her kid brother. Like, there's none of those
elements. I would say that the first street race,
uh... Like felt very need for speed where like,
you know, it's like everyone's taking slightly
different paths But they all have the same end
line And honestly the the final race where you're
racing and slowly other people are getting taken
down by the police is also very need for speed
But if you were to total the time of this movie,
which is like almost no over two hours two and
a quarter. Yeah. Oh my god The racing is about
ten minutes of that percentage wise they didn't
do a good job but like they did manage to capture
the feel of the games kinda yeah it did have
racing in it so I guess that you know that's
an element and it did have you know the same
types of cars I guess that you would have seen
in Need for Speed and I read that that last race
that's in the movie where they're kind of going
on the coast and heading towards that light tower
is straight out of a game straight out of one
of the games that level and kind of there was
apparently a mode in the game called knockout
or whatever where you did try to have a race
like that where one by one the cars were knocked
out of the race entirely so I guess that somewhat
reflects the game but outside of that like you
said there's obviously a whole bunch of other
stuff they decided to throw in there as well.
Dan did you feel like this was a video game film
or could you take the video game aspect out of
it and it would change nothing? Honestly never
felt like this was a video game movie like if
you shown me this movie and Asked what was this
based off of I'm like fast and furious but different
I mean, I guess because it's you know based more
so on a racing game, but even just in its presentation
Like the the tone of it. It didn't necessarily,
you know fit what I would assume would be more
of a Need for Speed type of game, which is you
know, it's very action -heavy. It doesn't seem
like it would be nearly as dramatic as this is
Again, I haven't played some of the newer ones
I don't know if there's more of a story mode
that was simple. It was similarly similarly modeled
after but I mean I guess the sense of it has
car races based off a car racing game Yeah, but
I don't know. It just feels a little bit more
self -serious than I would expect from a game
based upon our movie based upon Need for Speed
If you were to like pull me back like when I
was big -time into video games like maybe in
the the late 90s or something around that time
period and you were to ask me like Likely I've
seen a lot of these lists in recent years, you
know What video game should be turned into a
film or what video game would you know would
make the first good? Video game film etc. Etc
those types of conversations unless if you would
ask me that in the late 90s I don't think I would
ever have chosen a video game film that was a
racing video game or a video game that was based
on racing to turn into a film. That just seems
like the worst possible choice when it comes
to story and things that you can pull out of
that game and put on the big screen. It's bizarre.
I guess there's been a lot of bizarre choices
when it comes to turning a video game into a
film, but definitely a racing one seems like
it would be last on the list. It's clearly something
that was trying to capture the Fast and Furious
fandom or that same type of effect and box office
draw that maybe they had, but yeah, it seems
like a weird type of a video game to turn into
a film. Just a quick side story here on why Hard
Candy Amanda is not here today. Originally, when
we started this whole process, we didn't own
most of these video game films for good reason,
obviously. We had gone to a used DVD store to
see if we could find any of them like dirt cheap
like a dollar two dollars three dollars, etc
And we probably came home with I don't know eight
eight of these films and paid like less than
$20 in total and it was You know a good you got
ripped off We did probably get ripped off and
that's why you know and we are giving some of
them away like we've talked about for the iTunes
reviews, so We're not even going to have anything
to show for that money, thankfully. But I had
Need for Speed in the pile of garbage that we
were about to purchase. And Amanda said that
I could not add that into the group, which had
the likes of House of the Dead and all of the
other types of films that we've talked about,
Doom and just also garbage. And I was surprised
that Need for Speed was the one that she said,
we cannot. I will not let you spend money on
that film. which was going to cost I think $2
or $2 .99 and she would not let me purchase it
so we did not purchase it and she was watching
this film the other day she did watch the film
for the record she didn't like out on that she
did watch the entire film with me and she did
not want to be on this record today because she
said she would have absolutely zero to add about
this movie which I can totally understand why.
So we're giving her a pass. She also has some
other reasons. There's wedding planning going
on and other things going on. So it's just not
worth her time to even talk about Need for Speed.
So we're kind of doing it for her here today.
Just like this whole video game podcast series,
we're watching them and talking about them so
you guys don't have to or so we could find those
hidden gems and maybe open your guys' eyes to
a video game film that might be worth watching.
I don't know if we've achieved that part or not,
but let's turn and switch gears to the actual
film. Like I said, this is a 2014 film written
by George Gaddins and John Gaddins, produced
by DreamWorks and it is directed by Scott Waugh,
stars Aaron Paul, Dominic Cooper, I always say
this name wrong, Imogen Poots, Ramon Rodriguez
and Michael Keaton. Released back in March of
2014 two hours and ten minutes long Let's start
with how you guys felt on the movie overall Matt,
even though it might not be this great Representation
of the video game itself. Does it work as a movie?
And is it comparable to something like Fast and
the Furious or how does Need for Speed work or
not work for you? Oh man, like so it's functional
as a movie And you should definitely compare
it to Fast and the Furious by saying Fast and
the Furious is shorter and better and has better
acting, which is hard to say about a movie with
Vin Diesel and Paul Walker. But like. I mean,
it's a functional movie. It doesn't need to be
over two hours long. I mean, it's a movie about
two races. Like, think, think about that, like
even Talladega Nights has more than two races
in it. and also functions comedically. It's just
bloated. It introduces characters at the beginning
and I immediately, you can even see it, I live
tweeted while I was watching this, that character's
gonna die. I knew immediately as soon as the
character came on screen, that character was
written into the story to die. I don't need that,
the story doesn't need that. Dan is bloated the
best word for this or what's your take on Need
for Speed as a film? Bloated is good to me. It's
self -serious or overly self -serious is the
word that comes to mind like when I first started
watching this I was like is this the right movie?
It's just a tone of it it would like it had a
score that was Reminding me a little bit of like
moneyball and it felt like so overly dramatic
What is, right from the beginning, why is it
so sad? I thought this was about car races. I
don't know, it just didn't click me right away.
And this has a lot of talented actors, actors
that did a lot beforehand, that have done a lot
recently. But it's like a car that has a great
frame and engine, but you put in garbage for
gasoline and it... destroyers itself, I think
bloated is a good word because it's way too long
and it needed to be edited a great deal and it
gets to the point where, yeah, we're here for
the car chases, that's the need for speed, but
they get to the point where it just becomes overly
redundant and I do appreciate that it was well
-directed and those car chases were well done
and using physical Real -life cars not really
relying on CGI You can certainly appreciate that
but it's just I don't know the scripting was
really bad the the redemption story that was
Trying to make it just felt so forced not not
forced is the right word just unearned like you
know You have this character just trying to overcome
this Horrible thing that happens in the beginning
of the movie, but it's also kind of like not
really his fault in a way so it's like it wants
to redeem him but at the same time not put him
in a place where it really needs that much redemption
but and and then the characters themselves were
really uninteresting um or it just felt like
it was trying too hard at times just to be other
things it felt like a movie that the director
had one vision for it and then let's see what
he okay but but do this because that's what they
did in Fast and Furious so do that and it just
conflicted and then ended up like just settling
in the middle and making it what this is so it's
just it's not We've seen much worse films. But
in the sense of, yeah, Double Dragon is a much
worse movie on every stretch of the imagination,
but it also has like a tenth of the budget with
this. So this to me is almost worse because you
have more to work with and you end up doing less
in the sense of enjoyment. Yeah, the budget for
this film was $66 million. It did have a box
office of $203 million. So I believe that's worldwide.
So it did make its budget back. I think in North
America domestic, it was like 43, 44 million.
So it didn't quite make its budget back just
domestically, but obviously when you add in everything
else, the 159 million that it made in other countries,
you get to 203. Did not open number one, I think
it opened number in third place for the weekend
that it came out. So it obviously wasn't a huge
box office success in the United States. A couple
questions, because obviously we brought up Fast
and Furious a little bit. I honestly had to lean
over to Amanda in almost the opening sequence
and be like, okay, so that guy's playing the
Vin Diesel part, right? And this guy is playing
the Paul Walker part? I mean, it seemed like
they were almost... Correctly trying to put some
of these types of people in here It's just seemed
a lot forced I guess is the best word Like you're
saying it's overly serious overly dramatic and
trying to force something where it should have
just kind of been fun and fast You know racing
with nice cars, and I don't know what else you
can do to make it interesting But it definitely
didn't work overall as a film for me I'm curious
kind of breaking down some of the characters
because I think one of the big problems. I mean,
there are so many problems, so I don't want to
make it seem like there's one thing that's causing
this film not to work. But Aaron Paul as the
lead actor in this, I just want to read what
Michael Phillips of the Chicago Tribune said.
Obviously, he makes a lot of appearances on film
spotting and obviously writes reviews for the
Tribune. But I think he puts it best as far as
Aaron Paul goes. He says the actor's idea of
simmering intensity in the context of Need for
Speed comes off more like serial killer in the
making. than a lead talented, you know, lead
actor. Did you guys, what was your opinion on
the cast overall and what is Michael Keaton doing
in this movie, Dan? I don't know. I have no idea
what Michael Keaton's doing in this movie. He's
like crazy radio jockey. I'm not sure. He's just,
you know, he's getting into his character. It's
a bird man. I'm not sure. I didn't I guess I
didn't mind Aaron Paul. I in the sense of like
the words he was saying weren't all that great,
but I felt like. Thought this performance was
okay. Like isn't his intensity was I don't know.
It was a little there was like a falseness to
it in a way like I don't know if I was just because
I'm thinking of Jesse Pinkman from Breaking Bad
where you see this guy He's trying to be ultra
cool pump his chest up, but you know, it's underneath.
He's just kind of like it like a dork not a dork,
but I don't know like he didn't seem like that
ultra cool type of you know, you Clearly there's
a lot of references to like something like bullet
and Steve McQueen with like that so silent confidence
and He's not Steve McQueen not many people are
and I don't know like he just seemed like They
try to combine Paul Walker and Vin Diesel into
one character and it didn't necessarily work
for me. That's what he said That's what when
I when I was like wait, who's playing the Vin
Diesel role? Amanda's like he's playing both
of them combined. So that's funny that you said
that Yeah, and it's just like I don't know and
I feel bad for like even saying much about like
the actors in this because it When you're working
with the material that they were given I don't
know if anyone could do a better job like I don't
think if you got Daniel Day -Lewis he would make
that Part work to be honest with you. No, no,
I think they were they had this dad You know
the deck stacked against them Matt was there
anybody that you found most appealing or you
felt that was most effective in this environment
Or are they all just working with a bad deck
so they can't do anything. I thought Michael
Keaton gave a great performance and it was like
amazing that they had the best actor in the movie
just sequestered like you don't need to be anywhere
you never interact with any of these characters
you talk you talk to maybe the best of all of
the of all of the cast you talked maybe the best
one on the phone for a minute and that's the
only interaction you have you just sit here and
just act and you know do it right maybe if he
had been on set with the rest of them they could
have had you know some lessons given to him but
uh like he does not belong in this movie his
character doesn't make any sense like i like
what does his character do he hosts like an online
radio show and then he sets up a race where he
chooses the starting endpoint you don't pay to
get into the race it's invite only the people
race have to at the end of the race give all
of their pink slips to the guy who wins the race,
but he's not there to physically enforce that
rule. And it's such a big event that the police
find it, even though it's also being broadcast
to the internet so the police could find it just
by Googling, hey, where's that race happening?
So like, he's just a guy who sits on a radio
show and people with million dollar cars race
because he says so. And he doesn't get in trouble.
And he, yeah, like he's not committing any...
crimes I guess he's just sitting in a house talking
about how people should I don't understand it
like his character serves no function for the
movie and doesn't need to be there like he does
not need to be there as a character but he's
he's like the only thing that kept me going though
he was the best part of the movie he didn't need
to be there And maybe that's why they added him,
is because they're like, oh, hey, this movie
is very crappy and lackluster. If we throw the
rest of the budget at Michael Keaton and get
him to act off -screen, all of these scenes could
be shot after the movie was done and just retroactively
reworked into the story. There's a good chance
that those scenes are from another movie, and
they're like, well, no one's used these, so what
if we just put this into this? morph these together.
I had a question for you guys because I wasn't
sure if it was just the way that I watched this
in the format that I watched it but the sound
design of this film I believe sound design I
might have the wrong terminology there but was
it hard for you like the car sounds the racing
sounds the mechanical sounds of the film seemed
like they were exponentially louder than any
of the dialogue. I didn't know if that was because
they were trying to get across the point of what
it would sound like and feel like to be involved
in these races or around these cars or if it
was just the version that I was watching but
I literally had the volume all the way up as
loud as it could go just to hear the lines that
were being said and Then like as soon as someone
started stopped talking and it went to like a
car or race or anything like that It was like
deafening and I had to like turn it down by like
60 So did you guys have any problems with the
sound or is that just me? I think that's just
you. Yeah, I didn't have any issues with the
sound. I mean, certainly the the end noises and
things like that were pronounced, but I actually
thought technically it was actually well made.
Like I could see this director being a great
like stunt coordinator or, you know, someone
you would bring in to design the action sequences
of a movie. But no, I did I mean maybe because
like when the dialogue was being drowned out
I was like all for it. I'm like, that's fine
with me But no, I didn't notice it. There's a
scene that takes place at a hospital between
two of the characters and I okay I wanted to
talk about this Okay, go ahead. I wanted to talk.
So I was so confused by that sequence I'm like,
did I miss something when he gets naked and Sexually
assaults a woman and then leaves and I'm like
I'm supposed to why did that happen? I did I
miss something like I was I was I was rather
confused by that Yeah, that was a bizarre scene
and I didn't understand that as well as another
thing that had nothing to do with anything like
it was like the It was basically at that point
in the film. They're going through the recruiting
montage type thing where it's like Oh, we're
getting the gang back together. We're gonna do
this thing almost like you would see like in
a Heist film or something like that. Like it's
a let's go get this guy. Let's go get that guy
Apparently, when that guy was summoned, he decided
to strip all the way down to nothing and just
do that at the top floor of a huge building and
go through all the elevators and stairs naked.
What? Did that show us something that he's just
wild and crazy, I guess? But aren't they all
because they're street racing? I didn't understand
that either. I have another question, too. There
is a shot in one of the very first sequences
where they're obviously out on the streets and
racing around and trying to escape from the cops
or something. I don't remember what was going
on. There's like a truck trailer, a truck and
a trailer that pull out into the intersection
and then it just stays there like causing the
option that other cars might hit it. Like who's
driving a truck trailer pulls out into like an
intersection of a major road and then just sits
there like that seemed like a very forced dramatic
point that they were trying to make and I think
I felt like there was things like that throughout
all these different times where they're trying
to get away from the cops or to the cops like
They're in a sequence later on in the movie where
they're trying to outrun the cops while they're
going across country or whatever it is I don't
remember and the cops are coming up with all
these different ways like oh we're gonna do this
we can't do spike strips because this will happen
and whatnot so their grand plan was for one of
the cops to ghost ride his Squad car into the
street and hit them that happened, right? No,
he he's like in the woods in this in the like
trees and He gets out of his car and put something
on the car so that the gas will go and literally
just like let's his squad car go out into the
The oncoming traffic to try to stop these racers
Like that is that is the cops grand plan. This
is like the final race That that one happens
yet towards the end in the final race where he's
just like oh I'm gonna and that's how one of
the cars gets taken out Because this guy just
like sacrifices his squad car to just run into
him Like what why did no point do they just put
something across the damn road to block the road?
Well, I mean what was great was like real early
on in the race, right? The race had just started.
Like, you hear some police chatter and someone
goes, why don't we set down some spike strips?
And then someone else goes, ah, those cars are
going too fast. We wouldn't get them set out
in time. And it's like, you know the whole course
of the race. Like, you know the whole course
of the race. And their cops are set up along
the race, almost like checkpoints. So there's
no way you didn't have time to set that up. And
at that point they're in they're not in like
a like earlier on the film I get it because they're
in a regular area where they can do all these
little Left -hand turns right hand turns down
alleys across, you know different at this point.
They were basically on a road that was by nothing
else Like they were no turns or anything Yeah,
there was nowhere for them to go except for straight
for most of that point like at what point do
you just not get three or four squad cars and
put them across the road and Make it so they
can't go anywhere Like instead of ghostwriting
your car into them. So there was a lot of things
in this film Obviously that don't make sense.
I mean, it's probably silly for us to even point
out the ones that we noticed but The other thing
that I wanted to point out I guess in a similar
way if there was like a top Ten list that somebody
wanted to do of the worst time elapsed Montages
ever this one would have to be in the running
Like it looks like it's even fake the way they
do like the seasons and the lighting and This
that and the other did you guys notice the the
time -elapsed montage that they do. I don't even
remember Yeah, and honestly, it's not I think
I Remember what you're referring to but it wasn't
something that really stuck out to me regarding
everything else that That didn't work. But did
you got I mean we talked a little bit about the
car chases minus like the lack of logic, did
they work for you at all, just on the investor
level? Considering the big thing was there wasn't
CGI, it was all physical, did that at all? I
liked watching the fact that these were very
exact. I'm not a car person, so I really don't
get into too much of different car types, etc.,
but I liked the exotic styles of all the cars
that we got to see. a lot of cars that you don't
get to see on an everyday basis or whatnot in
some foreign, you know, prototypes or whatever
those those ones were. But so I kind of like
seeing some of that in a realistic fashion. But
then some of the crashes didn't. I mean, I guess
they were. But like the main crash that causes
the the big, you know, change in the big tragedy,
so to speak, that seemed not real at all. Like,
it did seem a little excessive. I'm like, okay,
he's slipping, that's bad. Okay, he's on fire.
Okay, now it's like, I was just waiting for like
a shark to come and attack it. Like, just keep
going over and over again until like, Tornado
comes by and like, it's just like, wow, man,
he's really dead. Like, you really have to...
It's like those speedboat races where they're
just driving and then all of a sudden one of
them just flips for no reason. But I get that
those cars are probably like super light and
whatnot, but the amount of air that that was
underneath that car when it goes like straight
up into the air, I was like, that seems a little
bit insane. But you're right. It is like those
speedboats. So maybe that was like a legit thing,
but it just looks so. Bizarre and then like Dan
saying it just like one after the other after
the other Where it was whether it was hitting
things or catching fire or whatever It was just
like enough we get that this person is probably
not doing okay inside that vehicle But yeah,
I don't know what other things to do is anything
that you guys like but in particular are the
things you want to point out that were ridiculous
Matt start with you. Yeah like I liked how there
was a really really intense fueling scene where
like two people had to get on top of their cars
to refuel and it was like super intense like
are they both gonna survive? Are they gonna be
able to get away from the cops? And then 10 minutes
later they had this super intense refueling scene
where it's like oh man they're refueling again.
Oh and the cops are here are they gonna get away?
Why did they do two of those in 10 minutes? Two
refueling scenes that are super action tense
like why? That was a thing that happened Like
the guy the guy I Like to think of the main character
who I'm just gonna call dime store Joel McHale
like isn't a criminal right he goes to jail because
his brother crashes a car and he goes to jail
for two years or something, that's really weird.
And then he gets out of jail and then immediately
is like, how about I break all of the laws? So
I think the movie is setting a precedent that
jails make non -criminals into criminals, because
he immediately was like, OK, I'm going to break
the law by leaving the state. I'm going to break
the law by leading, I don't know, 100 cops into
fatal car accidents. They're like flipping over
cliffs and stuff. And then, and then like, another
one of his friends is like, it's okay, I'm gonna
steal multiple helicopters. He stole multiple
helicopters. And from the same airport. Like
he was just there. stole a helicopter and landed
it, hopped out, jumped into a different helicopter
to steal. Like, he just kept stealing helicopters.
Eventually he got arrested for helicopter theft,
I think. But it doesn't matter because he still
got to view the race. Hey lady, can you pull
up Google for me? I need to type in the site
for this race so I can watch it for my jail cell.
That's fantastic. Yeah, I didn't get the quick
lack of care, I guess, or whatever, from these
Seemingly people that are just like street racers
like we haven't been introduced to any criminal
like that any of them have like this bad streak
or just lack of I guess care for the law or whatever
or just People's lives in general and it it's
like the film just flips a switch and they're
unnecessarily causing death like I understand
that you want to get across the country to do
this and you got this revenge thing and you want
to right your wrong etc etc, but that There's
a difference between doing that and being like,
and in order to do so, I don't care how many
dozens of people I kill as I do that. Like it
just seemed like there was a weird lack of care
for just like human life in general from a lot
of characters. all so unlikable and like like
they almost like a guy almost runs over a homeless
person and then like the group message where
they're all in this group message just start
making fun of the homeless people it was so terrible
like I could I couldn't like a single one of
these characters Dan what about you anything
that you found was a more of a positive for the
film or would you like to keep on any more bad
parts yeah no I mean I can't really think that
much positive like I said I thought technically
it was fine it was just everything else and again
even though those races were well done it got
to the point where they were just overdone and
you know even like an exciting action sequence
can get too much and yeah it just it seemed there
was like a lack of logic I guess some of the
cast did have some camaraderie with one another
you know for the most part but again it just
felt like You know like a cheap knockoff version
of other movies that we've seen before and not
really providing anything newer of merit So yeah,
I mean I like the little homage they had the
bullet which I guess it's not an homage if you
directly just show a scene from it, but You know,
I enjoy it. I'm like, oh, yeah, I should watch
bullet again. It's been a while. So Their homages
or their nods to other films were a little bit
Two on the nose for me like you're showing bullet.
You're calling someone maverick like Come on
now and at one point they utter the line Hey,
this looks like a scene out of speed. Um, I got
news for you guys There was nothing in this movie
that looked like it was speed Like don't give
yourself that much credit to say that you resemble
a good film and to be clear that comes when he
purposely tries to egg a cop on to race him because
he's Trying to win the affection of some other
person's girlfriend and I don't even I give up.
I don't Breaking me as a person Yeah retrospective
of video game movies and It's not a quest that
I would recommend to most people to do take our
word for it on rotten tomatoes This film did
not do too well either 22 % on rotten tomatoes
Metacritic score of 39 Apparently audience though
pulled by cinema score gave the film an average
grade of a B plus I Don't understand that one,
but I guess if they actually went to see this
in the theater Yeah, I think most people like
they probably got what they wanted because they
probably went for the action sequences and they
got them and they I mean if that's your thing
I think you probably would walk away happy and
I could see this appealing to someone who like
if you love the first like two fashion interiors
movies Which were more about street racing? maybe
you appreciate that this is more about that too,
and it does have a lot of car porn, which seems
like none of us are big car people, so maybe
for those people, it's really cool, but for me,
I'm like, yeah, nah. I mean, if you were a fan
of the Fast and the Furious franchise from Go,
and if you were a fan of the Cars franchise from
Go, and you just love anything that has to do
with cars, then this might be something that
you like, but I would... I'm trying to say that
both of those franchises are better. They have
to be. And I know there was talk of doing a sequel
a couple years back, like 2015, 2016, they were
saying that they were gonna do, that there was
a sequel in the works, but I have not heard anything
like that since then. When it comes to grading
this film, for me so far in this retrospective
or this series that we've been going through
with the video game films, it seems like you're
one of, you fall into one of four camps. You're
either in the UA bowl camp, where you just can't
even make heads or tails of the fact that this
is an actual movie and it's not functional in
a lot of different ways. Or you're kind of like
that camp cheese, we're not gonna take ourselves
serious, just be fun and ridiculous with it,
which you get with Street Fighter and Double
Dragon and Mario and some of those types of films.
You're seriously attempting to do some type of
Adventure fantasy quest type thing with various
varying levels of success like maybe you would
get with Tomb Raider or Some of those types of
films or you're in the camp that I would put
this one in which I think so far consists mainly
of like doom and need for speed films that failed
to figure out that they either Should have gone
full camp and not taking themselves serious or
they needed to start from scratch and find a
way to better be a serious video game film because
it's like they want to be a serious video game
film so they avoid the camp and the cheese factor
and that would have been better off to just do
that because for me it fails in both ways like
it's not an entertaining film and it's not a
fun goofy you know watch with a bunch of friends
and have some drinks and just make fun of it
and enjoy it like It's neither so it's it's utterly
pointless in my opinion. So I for this one I
would it's near the bottom for me It's it just
depends like do you grade something like this
worse than you grade? House of the dead and alone
in the dark and stuff like that because for me
it's doom in this one and then those are all
towards the bottom so I'm gonna give this one
like a Three or four out of ten Dan. What do
you think? Yeah, I'm kind of similar because
it's me it's like I kind of appreciate a bad
movie that realizes a bad movie and it's like,
okay We're not fooling anyone here. Let's give
them 80 minutes and leave We're not you know,
let's let's not torture them. But I feel like
this one I think I'm like didn't realize it's
failings and you know, I guess that's a Something
we all do but I I don't know like I put it in
that similar category like what is that swing
commander that we watched as well where it was
like it's not Awful, but it's just ultimately
really forgettable. And I think it's probably
their Functionality functionally better than
a lot of the movies we talked about like in the
sense of like put together more and there's more
thought and craft into it compared to something
like Double Dragon, but It had the talent involved.
It'd be something much better than it is. So
I'm similar to you to me It's like a four out
of ten, especially because it's like two and
a half hours and man like it does not need to
be like that's just like That's like aggressive
like why do you gotta why you gotta do that like
just It was like using length as a like I hate
using length as like a A negative but sometimes
it works because it it just becomes like you
just become numb by the end Yeah, it's almost
as if someone watched like the first or second
Fast and the Furious and unlike the people that
were in charge of the Fast and Furious franchise
and understood what they needed to do and what
worked for them, they saw those films and took
all the other parts. The stuff that doesn't work
for Fast and Furious is what they focused on
and just said, we're gonna be like them by doing
these things. So I just don't get it. Matt, what
do you think for score and grades as far as Need
for Sweet goes? Four is the right one, right?
Because it's functional. It's not broken as a
movie, but it's unnecessarily long. The acting
is not amazing. It's not the worst acting we've
seen. But like, it's just unnecessary. It's one
of the most unnecessary movies. It's like, there's
very little love, but there's nothing to truly
hate other than the fact that it takes up so
much of your dang time. Does anyone else think
that the villain looked like a shitty Carl Urban?
Is that who it was that he was he reminded me
of somebody but I couldn't place. Hey, it's Tony
Stark's dad. Come on Yeah, yeah, that's that's
why I don't need Cooper. Yeah, that's why I recognize
how many Tony Stark's dad. Yeah Hicks. Well,
he's much better. He's a good actor He's just
and he is in a fashion of furious movie I'm pretty
sure he is. I could be wrong, but I thought he
was in one of the, I don't know. I add, you know,
every one's in a Fast and Furious movie. There's
like 18 of them, but. Right, right. Well, so
not overall positive review here from the Cinema
Geeks. Imagine that on a video game film. We're
not raving about this one. I don't think anybody
needs to see this I could not honestly recommend
this to anybody I just don't there's no point
that's way too long and you're not gonna get
anything out of it unless you just absolutely
go bonkers for car porn then I guess have at
it but That's gonna close the chapter on need
for speed Which means the only ones we have left
were ones that were released after we started
this series, which would be the likes of Warcraft,
Assassin's Creed, and possibly the latest Tomb
Raider. Dan, do any of those elicit any type
of excitement or hope for you for closing out
the series on a positive note? No, not at all.
Not in the least. I saw Warcraft. I have no interest
in watching Assassin's Creed. I don't know. I
don't really want to watch Tomb Raider again
because we did it once and it's like no I Might
be able to use a clause there and get out of
that one because we said we were only gonna do
the first one of each franchise I'm someone interested
in rampage because it feels like that is exactly
it itself aware in a good way Like but outside
I don't know if we would ever do that because
that just came out the weekend. We're recording
this But now I'm not really looking forward to
it And we have to be able to stop this at some
point, right? Matt, any interest in you? I know
you've seen a few of the ones that are yet to
come out for the series that we're doing. I have?
You didn't see Assassin's Creed? No. Oh, or Warcraft?
No. Oh, so these would be first time watches
for all of them for you. I've seen Warcraft,
but that's about it. I've played the games extensively,
but like... Don't need to see the movies Maybe
we should just end this right here. I don't know
We can cover all the other ones in like brief
reviews or something like that But it is it has
been a bumpy journey for sure. We will at the
end of all of this probably do some type of culmination
episode where we crown the best video game film
ever Is that possible? That's like that one list
right the worst video game films of all time
We'll see we're gonna we're gonna close this
out somehow some way But if you want to actually
hear us talk about movies that are not based
on video games Then you can check out our other
series that we have going on right now, which
is going through the filmography of Kevin Smith
So we've been journeying through there We've
already had a few of those episodes out and we
continue to put those out So you can definitely
look out for those as well And there's other
fun stuff that we have planned coming up in the
future as well as probably a review for a little
little film coming out called Infinity Wars The
latest Marvel film we might just be able to sneak
in a review for that as well. Dan Are you excited
for that one? Oh, yeah, I'm a little bit excited
for that. I hear that's gonna be pretty popular
Just the word on the street. No, I'm hyped like
I'm like it was my most anticipated movie of
the year I'm not gonna lie and man, I just keep
watching that trailer. I think a billion times
maybe Matt does the next Avengers film does it
have a shot? of dethroning the crazy successful
box office earnings of Black Panther? Oh man,
so I believe when we did our draft or whatever
at the beginning of the year that I was of the
opinion that Black Panther was going to beat
it. So when I say now that I might have been
wrong about that, looking at the pre -sale numbers,
know that I'm aware. But Black Panther, I think
it just moved into, what, number three all time
in domestic? Yeah, I could be wrong, but I'm
pretty sure it passed everything except for,
the last time I checked, it was behind, I believe,
Avatar and Force Awakens. Is that the two that
it was behind? something of that nature, but
it has gone crazy at the box office way more
than I thought it would so you definitely have
a leg up on the in the draft for box office I'll
have to see if the Infinity Wars can can rival
that or not we have that one and we have Solo
coming out here in the next You know one to two
months, so it should be interesting We'll have
a good idea of who's gonna be in the driver's
seat when it comes to that box office draft here
by the time summer begins technically All right,
so Dan, what else do you have going on over at
GeekCast Radio and your other stuff that people
can check out? I have the Comic Con to Years
podcast. I recently spoke with Mark Russell,
who is the writer of the Flintstones comic, the
current Snagglepus comic, in an upcoming Judge
Dredd book. That was a really fun discussion.
And if you've not read the Flintstones book,
I highly recommend it. It's quite amazing. And
that will be probably shortly after this is released.
Yeah, absolutely. So you should guys should check
that out as well as the post that he's been making
as far as comic book reviews, etc. And I'm also
actually talking a little bit of comics over
at the GeekCast Radio Network too in Mike's pull
bag. I've been guesting for the last couple episodes
on some Back to the Future comics, so if you
want to hear about that, you can definitely check
that out as well. Matt, if someone wants to get
a hold of you or talk to you on Twitter and find
more ways to get in touch with the Twitter famous
Matt Fridley Sent, how do they do that? Oh, I'm
at Fridley Sent. Did that one die off? Did it
reach its peak? It had slowed down for the last
week, but today alone I think I've probably gotten
50 retweets. Nice, nice, growing ever growing.
Dan, how can people get in contact with you on
Twitter? Mine is at optimus solo and if you want
to berate Amanda for not being here today or
give her heck for For bowing out of one of the
video games that we're reviewing that is at hard
candy Mandy eyes not wise I believe is how it
goes and you can tweet the overall show as well
at cinema geek cast But that does it for this
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